Obama: Bush, McCain Should ‘Explain Why They Have a Problem With JFK’

Obama’s pathetic knowledge of past talks between nations, is truly frightening. Kennedy and Reagan OPENED TALKS WITH nations thru proper channels, NOT MERELY TALKS AT, WITHOUT CERTAINTY THAT THERE WAS AN AGENDA AND A BASIS FOR DISCUSSION. Wild accusations are equally dangerous, and foment even more distrust. Who is advising Obama, and what are their credentials? I speak as someone who studied International Relations on the graduate level at Tufts University!!!

Both Bush and McCain are wrong on every issue. McCain is trying to change his true colors into something he thinks will fool everyone. McCain’s true platform is Bush’s all over again, no one is fooled by this new McCain talk.

Not talking is a sign of weakness. Our president should stop showing such fear. The not talking policy is a total failure. Iran continues to march toward nukes and Bush has been totally ineffective in stopping them.

I haven’t seen where the Bush, Hagee policy has gained us anything.

I would like to see this guy go one day keeping his yapper shut, he is worse a certain gender that shall remain nameless. He is such a hypocrite, claiming everyone else is ‘attacking’; while he is the one attacking, slamming, vilifying. God help this country should this ‘dude’ get elected. He will have something to say every minute of every day; none of it substantive.

McCain and Bush are both wrong. Since they don’t have anything good to say about themselves the only thing they can do is to try and knock down their opponents with dumb remarks.

Serioulsy, As much as I hate Iran, but who’s stupid enough to believe that talking with Iran is some how some way more dangerous than talking and dealing with the soviets … The soviets were far more dangerous when Kennedy and Reagans dealwith them… USSR was the only country that could obliterate us…
Iran doesn’t even have nukes to begin with…
So what if Obama talks to Iran ?
Do you think they can destroy us ???
Some people are more scared of Iran, than the soviets now ?
Iranians don’t even have the army to compare with us…
People seem to make a HUGE deal, like if Iranians could attack us…
Republicans are such wimps…

Talk to not “appease”.
*Obama 2008*

Sometimes we have to take a calculated risk to effect calculated changes. With Obama, yes, I agree, he’s a relative newbie to the political scene; however, sometimes the newest face brings the freshest ideas. I’m tired of politicians saying and doing the same old, same old, and then getting the same bad results each time. I’m totally for Obama, and I’m a female and I’m Jewish and I have relatives in Israel and they are NOT worried about Obama. In fact they mentioned to me that maybe someone who is not afraid to talk to those people may have a positive effect for their country.

I am flabbergasted with this heated discussion and people not realizing that the theme of JFK appeared in Obama’s campaign the day when news came out that Ted Kennedy was hospitalized. I don’t buy that’s a coincidence. Folks, we need a president not a talk box.

More than the lack of logical commentary that is riddled with racist undertone, what is disturbing is that so much of it comes from women! How come so many American women are filled with such racial anger? Very disturbing…

Not to be silly and rain on the parade of fundamentalists, but…
Why do you have to be an Obama supporter to believe in talking to Iran? Obama is right–we have ALWAYS talked to other nations, even those diametrically opposed to us politically. Keeping communications channels open makes it easier to avoid accidents, it keeps insurgencies from turning into nuclear war, etc.
Bush is not conservative–he is a fundamentalist and sees things only in black and white. That’s dangerous because it means he assumes anyone not agreeing with him wholly is wrong/evil and fails to take into account other perspectives.
War is politics by other means. Politics is about discussion/agreement on how to divide resources of all sorts.
…but fundamentalists don’t want to hear that–they just want to insult the other side. How many posts are there that refer to Obama, McCain, or Bush by name rather than degrading ‘nicknames’?
Exactly.

America-First is the reason I’m thinking of moving out of this country if a Republican is elected again.(S)he
scares me with their power to vote without really looking into more than the network news, tabloid headlines, and Fox News.

From what I’ve seen out of Obama over the past year, all he is good for is talk…it’s not a surprise that his foreign policy would be based on the same. Specifics please Mr. Obama!

vancav,
Obama has advocated a much more aggressive policy in Afghanistan. He has obviously aggressively pushed for extracting ourselves from the stupidity of Iraq. The Iranian leadership and military love the fact that we are tied up in Iraq. The more we are occupied there, the less we can turn our attention to them and potentially punish them for digressions and the more they can essentially wage a proxy war against us by supporting Shiite militias. Vancav, you seem reasonably well-informed. Take a quick look at the other folks in this thread who are “on your side”. Choose your friends carefully — a significant percentage of them at this point seem barely literate.

With due respect to Senator Obama, he should study his history a bit more before making comments about effective diplomacy. The three leaders and their respected countries did not have direct American blood on their hands. Americans forget to quickly that we lost close to 3000 patriots on 9/11. One can also argue that the real reason we went into Iraq was to draw these terrorists across the globe and let our bravest men and women fight them on their own soil rather than ours.
I rest my case.

Okay so now Obama wants people to think he’s JKF? By accusing others of having a problem with JFK doesn’t make you JFK. He gets more ridiculous every time he speaks.

Turns out that Rev. Wright was RIGHT! Obama will say whatever it takes, he is a politician after all! Foolish me I had hoped he was honest, oh well what can you expect just another inexperienced know it all who really knows nothing at all. He is so sure that he is smart wonder where that comes from I don’t hear anything smart, just smart ass and biased and arrogant. Please save me from this one more knows what better for use than the rest of the country does;

It is simple: once you start communicating the truth may come out…
Scary thought for some….

There are millions of Democrats, myself included and friends, who are getting physically sick at the choice between this idiot Obama, his dangerous clique and his incomprehensibly anti-American, anti-Western minions and McCain and the Republicans. We ask each other, how can we vote for a Republican president. But then, at the end of the day, if Obama is the nominee we will vote Republican and join the millions who will flee to McCain. We can do it, and it could work with a solidly Democratic Congress. In the best of all worlds a third party will emerge in four years and it will be the authentic voice of the American people.

Republicans!!! Did any of you spend a single day outside of US to realize what damage Bush brought to the US people? Do you want to carry on with this through McCain? Don’t do more damage to US. Bush has done so much damage that will take many many years to recover from.

When “W” is out of office will he join the troops “and fight the good fight” or stay at home?
It’s always a great deal when its not “your” money!

The entire premise that we can punish our enemies by simply not talking to them is ridiculous in the first place. Regardless of their behavior towards us, Iran is a sovereign nation with thousands of years of history in the region- they aren’t going anywhere, and the idea that not speaking to them will somehow delegitimize their government is unrealistic and shortsighted. They are one of the key players in the region, and having diplomatic contact with them just makes sense, strategically. Communicating does not mean appeasement. Until recently this is the way that we handled regimes with interests contrary to ours- it’s only within the last eight years that this elementary-school-like “i’m not talking to you any more! nyah!” policy went into effect, along with Bush’s naive “axis of evil” black and white view of world politics. Obama is only proposing a return to normalcy, and rightly so, because what we’ve been doing since Bush took office clearly hasn’t been working, and has destroyed our reputation as a country worldwide. Bravo Obama for continuing to push smart policy regardless of whatever misleading scare tactics the neo-cons might try to use.

Were Not, Reagan and Nixon also mentioned in Mr. Obama’s responce to this “sad” display from Mr. Bush.and Mr. McCain? Funny how some people, and the media sees exactly what they choose to see, regardless of the facts. I leave it to you!

I wish the “dirt” on the OBAMA scam would be released NOW, so America has 2 candidates in NOVEMBER.
WE have a right to know.

Senator Obama has had NO meetings on the committee he chairs on Afghanistan. He’s all talk!!

Some of you people are horrible.Okay I agree obama as of now doesn’t look well versed in some of the snipets I see of him.He seemed more agile about a year ago, but saying that he is a terrorist….are you all serious. McCain wants war!I don’t think the countries that hate America are afraid of America. They want to obliterate us.Both McCain and Obama are sending a message to our adversaries.McCain is stubborn and hotheaded and not willing to end strife. Obviously he wants to keep us in a state of fear with all america on the edge of their seat near the brink of World war 3.If we attack another country do you honestly think that there will be no retaliation. Obama wants to entertain the POSSIBILITY of making peace with our enemies.No one said we would desrtoy our weapons or let down our defenses, but just like most relationships until productive communication is going on there will always be problems.For the sake of America and the world more war should be our last resort!And if we go to war we need more international support because we are not the only ones capable of nuking a nation.It would be stupid to think that we are invincible.Yes we need a massive effective, military and the most capable weapons of continent destroying ability, but we need to convince the world through might AND diplomacy that it is in everyones best interest that we refrain from attacking one another.I don’t know about you, but when someone wants me to do something it would be better for them to enlighten me to why I should see it their way instead of givingme an ultimatum.You get more flies with sugar than you do with _______.

The paranoid delusional lies being posted here by some people about Barrack Obama make me sick.
I take comfort however that at the end of the day, the message that is going to be heard is Obama’s and his promises– not the idiocy posted here. I will be content to think then of how your delusional ravings will be confronted by Obama’s willingness to work for your rights and betterment of your life.

What is interesting is that both candidates have very different opinions on so many subjects..Neither waffle their opinions or trade sides to appease people like Hilliary does..Let us hope Hilliary will be toast soon so we can move on.
.I truly hope our populace will quite alluding to McCain’s age or allegiance to Bush and also hope that people will ignore the color of OBAMA’s skin or his middle name.

Comparing Iran to the Soviet Union, please Obama. Let’s try to keep it credible.

The human ego is an amazing thing. The truth is that all three candidates stink and most people are too immersed in ‘my candidate’ to see that there is enough dirt and politics as usual to go around for everybody. In a very real sence the media hand picked which choices we have and like obedient sheep most of us went along because we either didn’t have the knowledge or courage to do better. Think about it America: Out of a country of 300 million people is this the best that we can come up with?

Is this guy SERIOUS??? Oh Obama, please don’t tell me that you’re comparing the days of Kennedy and Reagan to now???? God help us all and God Bless AMerica!!!!

Lol I like this. The more he attacks the more the shape of the policies and argument for the general election moves towards the dems favor. We get away from BS like flag pins and rev wright and bill ayers and geraldine ferraro and get to substance. if we talk about foreign policy now he can strengthen his argument for the general election. but mccain wants to keep this argument because he cant say much about the economy, health care, education, or the iraq war.

It’s rather difficult to imagine George W. Bush engaging in meaningful diplomacy – the man has difficulty speaking in a complete sentence. And McCain. . .well, all he says is “my friend”. . .which one would think could make him more popular among his congressional colleagues. But since he has a reputation for displaying a short fuse, I can’t imagine a tantrum doing much for America’s security.

Oh puh-leeze, America First – what is it about conservatives that they are so incapable of engaging in reasonable dialogue? And then they go ballistic when they are accused of not being able to engage in diplomacy – duh.
And repeating these manufactured right-wing talking points. You know, the American people bought those lines of manure and a quick look around should give Republicans a clue as to what that crap produced. Not this time. We need some grownups running the country – not mental adolescents whose entire experience at relationships involves bullying.

God bless America. It is frightening to know that Obama might be the Commander in Chief. Obama identified himself to Bush’s appeasement remarks. Now, he is using past great leaders as an examples, but failed to mention that they are backed by the strong American Military stand. Without this strength, you have nothing to offer, except defeat. Obama is so phony and inexperience, that it is pathetic that his followers are blinded by his empty speeches. Wake up America, we need a strong leadership, Hillary or McCain.

I don’t think I should be called a racist just because I’m not voting for Obama. Now you are the one bringing up his race to cause guilt! I think he is an inexperienced, educated, pretty boy. That might be fine for the senate, but not for the presidency. Maybe in another 10 years he should try it again.

The human ego is an amazing thing. The truth is that all three candidates stink and most people are too immersed in ‘my candidate’ to see that there is enough dirt and politics as usual to go around for everybody. In a very real sence the media hand picked which choices we have and like obedient sheep most of us went along because we either didn’t have the knowledge or courage to do better. Think about it America: Out of a country of 300 million people is this the best that we can come up with?

We don’t need John McCain. Obama may not be all that experienced, but McCain is set in his hateful ways.He lacks sound plans to move the country forward.Obama doesn’t really seem AS presidential as he once did , but McCain doesn’t garner a vote of confidence for me.What will McCain really do to help turn this economy around?He is going to leave it up to the people who have the money.Dumb just dumb.There may be some rich folk that care about the least fortunate, but not enough to stop this nation from falling into despair.There needs to be laws to make sure that everyone is getting a fair portion of the American pie.Prices are skyrocketing out of control and we are headed off a cliff on a bullet train. Is there any plan to fix it? The republicans only offer the same old trickle down mess.Republican Politicians are the true elitists.They talk about values, but are really selfish self righteous pharisees.We cannot depend on the kindnest of strangers to keep us afloat. We need laws.DEMOCRATIC LAWS!

Isn’t American politics wonderful!!! We have such passion for our political views!
Not much has changed since the time of Thomas Jefferson. We hate and slander the other side and even make things up when it suits us. But for two hundred years now, our politics is like a religion in this country where we are willing to die for our ideals, even when they are really dumb.
Despite all that, most of the time we seem to get it right, given the choices we have in the first place.

Oooooooooo, looks as tho’ the Boy Wonder has lost his grip on the Magic Cape!!! I say, give him a 4-8 more years to mature and to get competent advisors and try, try again. The boy has potential, but not the facts.

adam, the reason the “media” are giving Obama so much attention is…….he’s running for President! did you know that? i did, cause I have the MEDIA! if you dont like different points of view, just watch FOX!

Does anyone wonder why there is little discussion of Syria – the real threat? Can anyone get their head out long enough to understand this and quit giving cadence to Iraq and Iran which are the obvious?

No connection between Iraq and 9/11, no weapons of mass destruction, and after a report that there was no proof that Iran is developing nuclear weapons, how do you believe anything that Bush says?

If you are SICK of the HATE and RACE issues than you must be SICK of Obama because he is the one that started everything by USING THE RACE CARD EVERYTIME SOMEONE DISAGREED WITH HIM.
When did he do this? what racially charged statement did he make?

We will be marching in FL tomorrow against Obama and the DNC!
Count our votes as is or we will be leaving the Democratic party for John McCain!

Robin Obama has mentioned JFK numerous times during the Democratic primaries, so it is not just because Ted is in the hospital. Obama has said he wants to take us back to the foreign policy traditions of JFK, George Bush Sr. and Reagan. No mention of Bill
Clinton. I guess those two Clinton terms have just been erased by the Obama camp. But if I want Reagan or George Sr over Bill CLinton, then why shouldn’t I vote McCain then?

Isn’t there terrorism in your own country, Kojo in Ireland between Catholics and Protestants?? Go clean up your own mess, and lay off the green beer before you critize anyone here!

Sad, sad, that people need to pretend to be others to spread their hatred across the internet. As proven in the elections where the Republicans and their dirty policies attempted to dump Wright on Democratic candidates, the electorate was too smart to buy into the lies and smears. That’s why the Democrats have picked up 3 new seats.
But Republicans never learn. They just keep trying over and over to with the same old approach to fear mongering and hate mongering.
But your ridiculous posts make amusing reading, sort of like a fairy tale. Fortunately, the ending will be happy when Obama is sworn in as President–in spite or your hatred.

How well are we dealing with our enemies under the Bush Administration? And since when did dead silence become diplomacy? All Bush does is generalize our enemy and make erroneous historical comparisons to keep America in a continous tailspin. First it’s Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, then it’s Hussein, then it’s terrorists, axis of evil, radicals, extremists, insurgents, Iranians… AL QAEDA is our enemy! It was negligence that left us vulnerable to an attack. As former Secretary of Defense, Condoleeza Rice got a memo in January 2001 outlining a strategy against Al Qaeda IN AFGHANISTAN. We did nothing to make us safer, and 8 months later The Bush administration let it happen. Then we got ourselves into a quagmire in Iraq and no WMD’S were found. The Iraqis are not safer and WE are not safer. There is Al Qaeda in Iraq NOW, but only because we chose to take out Hussein. At least when he was there, the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds weren’t erupting in Civil War. This is the wrong war to be fighting. Obama has said that since 2002, and he will restore the U.S. as a superpower and restore our image in 2009. The Bush Administration actually gave themselves a color code for how scared you should be today, how appropriate. That color code was really an incompetence meter. People ate it up like dogfood for a little while. The fear, distractions and obtuse face of America’s enemy is now a phantom. Now the world wants to see an American President with leadership, and Obama brings that. That means talking to our enemies and bringing most of our troops back home. We will still need the military in Pakistan and Afghanistan. America needs a big change to clear our heads and start making sense again. The media plays games with your head, people just have to wake up from it and think for themselves. It’s the politics of fear that give you that type of divisive minset!
What we are doing now is far more reckless than talking to our enemies.
By the way, Bush drawing comparisons between Admadeinijad and Hitler is f***ing funny.
George W. Bush is the worst President this country has ever seen, and that’s why some people are still understandably afraid.
Barack Obama, 44th President of The United States of America!

The TRUE OBAMA. Not The OBAMA that gives nice speeches but the REAL OBAMA behind the MASK and the one who makes Hillary look like a SAINT !
Chicago Sun-Times—A close examination of Obama’s first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: Obama, who runs on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless, first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it. Alice Palmer, friend and mentor to Obama, served the district in the Illinois Senate for much of the 1990s. Decades earlier, she was a community organizer in the area when Obama was growing up in Hawaii. She risked her safe seat to run for Congress and touted Obama as a suitable successor. But when Palmer lost the congressional race, her supporters asked Obama to fold his campaign so she could easily retain her state Senate seat. Obama not only refused to step aside for the woman who was his friend and had recommended him for the seat, he filed challenges that nullified Palmer’s hastily gathered nominating petitions, forcing her to withdraw. Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. “He wondered if we should knock everybody off the ballot. How would that look?” said Ronald Davis, the paid Obama campaign consultant whom Obama referred to as his “guru of petitions.” Davis filed objections to all four of Obama’s Democratic rivals at the candidate’s behest. All other candidates were disposed of by Obama’s challenges. He then went on to win the election.
Obama is nothing but a THUG in an empty suit !

Thanks Debbie,
For the JMC interview videoclip with Rubin. McCain is such a hypocrite!

Kyle: so he was asked to do something. had people follow him and support him, his friend loses and wants him to drop out and he doesnt. Isnt that what hillarys doing? shes staying in and changing the rules to benefit her. only obama didnt change the rules he played by them and used them agianst alice palmer

It’s sad how so many of the anti-Obama posts and even a scattering of the anti-Bush/McCain posts here are obviously the same dimwit using different names.

There are 57 states in Islam. That’s why Barack got confused.
Posted by: PGHPAVOTER | May 17, 2008 9:26:14 PM
Are you serious? hes been in america longer than hes been around people of the Islamic region. When was the last time he was in an Islamic nation state? You dont know please stop with this mudane association and fear mongering of the muslim people. Just so you know the most violent religions over history christianity and muslims. Prior to 9/11 what have anyone of middle eastern decent done to america?

“I HEARD BARACK OBAMA HAS BLACK CHILDREN!!!!!!!”
Did you hear this from one of McCain’s push polls? Now that would be rich.

As I said before , we are powerful militarely but we strangely lack “tersticular fortitude” to talk to our adversaries .
We can drop bombs on them from fourty thousand feet up in the air but we are too COWARD to engage them face to face dipomaticaly . WHY ???
The word ” CANNOT ” should not be in our national policy .

Bitter women you are@
We are urging Mrs. clintoin to run as an independant so we can raise money for her and pay off her debt , Plus she has a very good chance to beat both Obama and McCain!
It is up to her.
We easily could hva eraised 20 million but we ‘re all maxed out!
In primary election the most you can give is $2300!
She needs to run for president so we can raise more money! Otherwise she will loose the money and no big deal for her!
But I think that since Obama is accepting donations from foreign countries such as Palestine, Lebanon, Chchenia, Sudan, Somalia, Iran and Syria, if I were Mccain I ;d force him to release his all donors one by one!
With names and addresses!!!
We again are 1 million women and will NOT vote for Obama!
It will be either Hillary or McCain!
Now you can call us what ever you can but you still won get our votes and will loose to John McCain in November!

“57 STATES” WAS A JOKE YOU MORONS LET IT GO

Allamr18…You’re right. Hillary should contest the election and burn people in churches like Obama’s cousin Odinga who lost the election in Kenya. Too bad Barack’s campaigning in his other country of nationality (he IS considered a citizen of Kenya by Kenyans) didn’t win the “independents” in that country.

Operation Board Games = The Rezko Case

I was voting republican since 1970 until the second Buch period. When he start bulling every nation in the world that resisted his “coalition” against Saddam I understood the man was out of order.Time confirmed my fear and we are now in the mess we, american voter, choose to be.
For a real change we have no alternative but try new leadership.
Obama talks beautiful and also what he says make sense. He offers new directions we should approach. Can he deliver? Again, that is up to us and up to the politicians we elect to help him on the administration of our country.
Let’s get over with racism and religious fanatism.Let focus on the facts that affect us more, economy, unemployment,etc. Let show to the world that america is the land of justice, opportunity and equality.Let try to get the country out of this mess…

Allamr18…You’re right. Hillary should contest the election and burn people in churches like Obama’s cousin Odinga who lost the election in Kenya. Too bad Barack’s campaigning in his other country of nationality (he IS considered a citizen of Kenya by Kenyans) didn’t win the “independents” in that country.
Lol didnt america have the same problem 40 years ago? burning black churches and abortion clinics? Matter a fact Condeleeza Rice best friend was killed in a church bombing. And what does his cousin have to do with anything, if thats even his cousin probably spam. Hillarys brothers were involved in white water does that make her guilty too?

Pandering is an art that McCain now practices as he runs around kissing up to right wing hate mongering religious leaders, the National Rifle Association, Neocon Bushies and any other group or organization that he has opposed in the past.

Fascist Alert,
By the same token I can say that Obama’s heavy drug use when he was younger has impaired his mental capacities, to the point where he said he would meet unconditionally with the head of Iran.
Clearly this man, and his drug habit, are not fit to run a country.
And the man has a weak will – he still has not been able to quit smoking – probably still used to the crack pipe.

Lisa!
Democratic party became far left wing!
If Hillary runs as an independant don’t be surprised!
there is a rumor lately!Isider information!

Lol what? they differ on everything except gay marriage and border control. health care, the war, education, economy, come on they are nowhere near the same. but bush and mccain are both warhawks. they want war at any cost. They dont care about people in america. Im not a hillary fan but i trust her more than McCain. I think you will be doing yourself a dis-service and wasting your vote.

Yeah, I think someone is appropriating names and posting negatives: typical Republican ploy. And obvioiusly the same poster is desperately posting against all things Democratic. It is really funny on so many levels, this desperate attempt to turn a flawed candidate into someone electable.
And the ‘women’ who are so vocally against Obama because he is the likely Democratic nominee: I think probably most of you are secret Republicans who are hiding behind feminism to obscure your real purpose. No right thinking Democrat would EVER prefer to vote for McCain and his Bush-light platform AND the possibility he would be appointing Supreme Court Justices simply because Hillary isn’t going to be at the top of the ticket. Get real.

By the same token I can say that Obama’s heavy drug use when he was younger has impaired his mental capacities, to the point where he said he would meet unconditionally with the head of Iran.
Clearly this man, and his drug habit, are not fit to run a country.
And the man has a weak will – he still has not been able to quit smoking – probably still used to the crack pipe.
Yes because we know how horrible it is to have a president who smokes cigarettes? Didnt bush, clinton and the other 40 something odd presidents have some substance abuse issues? Thats not even an issue try again

All of you saying that you are leaving the Dem party and voting for McCain, I just have 1 question for you. Why are you posting it over and over. I don’t care and I don’t think anyone else here cares. Just do it and stop whining about it. You are acting like toddlers having temper tantrums.

What do we know about BHO,not a damn thing the man has no record of ever doing anything except being a community organizer what ever that is. He is a weak kneed empty suit that says anything that anybody wants to hear. Just by watching and listening to him (which I cannot stand)he is your typical American hating liberal that thinks the rest of the world is right and we are wrong. Kennedy talked to Kruschev and it was a disaster if you bho supporters can remember. We do not talk to these thugs and murders we kill them before they kill us.McCain is to old but age before beauty he is the only alternative unless you want to cave in to radical Muslim terrorists. Barak keeps really bad company and you supporters are blinded by the artificial light that he gives off,put on some sunglasses and see what he really stands for. CONSERVATIVE(GUN OWNING) DEMOCRAT FOR MCCAIN

I wonder how far MLK, Ghandi, Desmond Tutu, Nelson mandela and the likes wouldve gotten without talking to their enemies? im pretty sure they wouldnt be in the history books if they didnt

ashley!
What did you hear?I know that mrs. Clinton is putting preassure on DNC to count FL and MI as is and seat the delegates as they count now.
If the DNC short cuts this race before Puerto Rico, than she had told several people that she will be running independant!
That is what I have heard! I work for the Clintons!

A disservice and wasting my vote. Oh you mean like I did for Gore in 2000. How about Kerry in ’04. Sure ‘wasted’ it then didn’t I.
You can define ‘waste’ any way you want. I define it as allowing Obama in the white house. I will vote to prevent him in.
And to the R v Wade fear mongers here, we have a House and Senate which have to VOTE. If Bush couldn’t overturn it, I don’t expect McCain to undo anything. The democrats have the majority anyway.
Which brings up an excellent point. Since we are in the majority in Congress, anything a certain democrat would want as a Bill would get written and passed. Anything. No way can we have Obama in now that I think about that possible scenario.

Does anyone recognize the quotation “If you want peace, you talk with your enemies. You do not talk with your friends”? No, it was not Obama. It was said by Moshe Dayan. Posted by: tex805 | May 17, 2008 6:45:48 PM
And I don’t know who said it but another excellent saying to help the helpless on this blog is “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”. You do that by talking to them. You can always bomb them, the trouble is if you know them, you can better deal with them. You might even have a better idea if they really have nuclear weapons or not before you start committing to a life long war, billions and soon trillions of dollars and tens of thousands dead (including the other side’s innocent losses) and tens of thousands maimed and mentally dranged survivors to care for….
In terms of the comparisons to Reagan and Kennedy, you know what, I think Obama will outdo them…. And one of the reasons why, is because he is not only a good talker, which comes in handy in negotiations, he is astute about human nature, he has a solid moral core and he is much tougher than anyone can yet imagine. One of the most powerful leaders in the freeworld lived by the mantra “talk softly and carry a big stick”. It seems to me there is no bigger stick than America’s nuclear power and its war machine and its intelligence service (for all the latter has screwed up of late).
In terms of saying Russia and China were not terrorist states – they where communist – thats pretty much the same and they were arch enemies of the United States. Darth Vader like….. Too many here do not know their history.
And for those saying what are your specifics Obama – right, and did anyone ask Bush for his specifics? I mean, its a piece of cake for him – if you don’t agree with me, you are the enemy. And I don’t talk, I shoot……. I think diplomacy, important negotiations, decisions about war, is not possible to be strategized and and road mapped for execution while your are a candidate for the Presidency. What is important to measure in an election is the strength of character, intelligence, judgement, interpersonal skills (not just running around slaping people on the old back and giving them a nickname and “looking into people’s eyes to see their soles”), and tenacity among others.
I think Obama has all of this, as did Reagan and JFK. I think Obama, because of who he is, has an opportunity to be of their stature and perhaps even more. Obama is what America needs at this time, granted, he may not look quite like what some might expect and this is causing a lot of stress in the minds and hearts of some of these rather surprised people. I am confident the majority of Americans will get past traditional ways of thinking and elect him for the decency, opportunity and strength he represents. These are times that demand even more of America than the likes of JFK and Reagan.
I would like to ask the moderator – where is your moderation of the extremism in comments from the likes of Lynns and “America First”? Really, they have been parroting away here some very ugly stuff for a long long time. And crowding out a real discussion of the real issues America faces at this historic time. Even if you chalk it up to freedom of speech (which is a bit of a stretch), I think it is unreasonable to let them carry on in this way without some admonishion to stop the extremism, race bating and hate mongering. An idea – why don’t you have two sets of blogs, the one for the typeo of diatribe they are spouting and perhaps another one for a serious discussion of the real issues? With extensive moderation on the latter to ensure people cannot come in to make such unhelpful comments. I encourage the media to think about performing its responsibility to promote facts, and a real and serious discussion of the issues and candidates.

…the minute we open talks with these thugs, that’s when they are ‘appeased’ through recognition by the United States as a force worthy of our attention and diplomacy. That’s why it was stupid for Carter to talk to Hamas…and why it is stupid to believe that Obama can make diplomacy and peace so easy to accomplish. Reagan and even Kennedy negotiated from a position of strength…I don’t see Obama supporting even something as basic as missle defense.

I am a PHD MD and a democrat!
I am not one of those uneducated Hillary supporters in other words!
I can not find one good reason to vote for Barrack Obama!
Noway, I would not vote for him!
I have no other choice than McCain!

Funny thing is, Allamr18…BO never and his church never reference any of those people. They only reference Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan.

ot of spin there. Only the Obamabots will believe what you say. Obama’s pastor went with Louis FKhan to Libiya. The church bulletin board promoted Hamas. BHO and MO attended fundraisers for Hamas. Heck Hamas endorsed BHO junior. McCain doesn’t have to say much, people know already.
Lol right? do you even know why they had that in the bulletin board? Did you try to find out or did you just buy into what they were selling? and you dont know anything about farakhan youre just using media talking points. Say something about farakahn that hasnt been used by sean hannity or bill oreilly

o Allamr18
I will get a fifth grader to explain it to you.
While your getting one why dont you explain it to me since you and a fifth grader seem to be on the same level

Lisa!
I have heard the same thing! so don’t be so sure!
If the DNC does not count FL and MI as is or short cut this process before Puerto rico, Hillary will run independant!
I have heard that she has already told pelosi after IN clearly!
because What I have heard was, there were enough superdelegates to back Obama at the time but since Hillary told them she would leave and run as an independant they all are backed of and thinking! But than if they count FL and MI, she may as well be beating Obama on popular vote and will only be about less than 40 delegates behind him!
She might run independant!
The democratic Party treated her bad!
Anyone would understand that!
don’t be so sure!

noway, i am a true American, and i am voting for Obama. If you were a true American, you would have respect for the freedom to vote for whomever you want. o and BTW we’re all humans first, hopefully.

bama frequently twists the words of others in his mocking, arrogant monologues, so why shouldn’t he expect the same? The only people who think Israel provides an excuse for militant jihadists are people like Obama. It appears that he does not know the difference between good and evil. Like Wright with his chickens coming home to roost, Obama suggests that there is an excuse for militant islam. He is an apologist for those whose views are morally abhorrent. He sees all sides and takes none. Does he truly know the difference between good and evil, right and wrong or are all views one vast and morally equivalent continuum from his perspective?
Lol do you even know who said the chickens are coming home to roost or what it meant at the time? And Isreal is not our only ally. Maybe we can get more if we talked to people. and no obama knows nothing about good and evil

Allamr18….Barack Obama is telling the Americans that are voting for him that he is fully Christian. That is a LIE. I am not speaking out against Muslims. Just your lying candidate.

I just read this from Mark Hemingway on NRO I think this makes great sense! Here it is——-
Exurban league makes a very good point regarding Obama’s I’m-not-an-appeaser outrage:
Uh, dude? If you are not an appeaser, why on earth do you take it personally when Bush criticizes appeasers?
I’ve done plenty of PR work in my time, senator. Although you shouldn’t have released a statement at all, here’s how you should have handled a press question about Bush’s comments:
“One thing all Americans agree on is that appeasement doesn’t work. As president, I will engage in tough, principled, and direct diplomacy just like Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan before me. And of course, no American president will engage with terrorists, least of all those who seek to destroy our stalwart ally, Israel. I look forward to celebrating the 65th anniversary of Israel’s independence.”
That was easy, wasn’t it? If Bush gave a speech about drug dealers, would you release a statement saying, “how DARE you insult me!”? Of course not; you’re aren’t a drug dealer. So if you really aren’t an appeaser, you shouldn’t have willingly identified yourself with that group.

llamr18….Barack Obama is telling the Americans that are voting for him that he is fully Christian. That is a LIE. I am not speaking out against Muslims. Just your lying candidate.
Posted by: PGHPAVOTER | May 17, 2008 10:00:49 PM
What honest empirical evidence do you have that he is muslim? no conjecture or circumstantial but empirical evidence shows hes a muslim

lol…….Obama comparing himself to those men – what a joke! He’s so delusional! I guess after being brainwashed by Rev Wright for 20 years would do that to anybody.
Posted by: obama hussein | May 17, 2008 10:02:54 PM
What did Rev Wright say that was wrong? Or could be considered brainwashing? Becuase im pretty sure thats what Karl Rove did to america 8 years straight

“Hope she does it. She has a solid, diverse coalition. She can do it.”
Hope she does it, too. If only she can get the full share of humiliation she deserves for running such an incompetent, racist, sexist campaign. A lesson to us all!

Lisa – Too bad. You guys who claim to represent the Democratic party have so solidly supported Obama, who most Democrats will NEVER support, that it’s up to the Republicans to appoint the next Justice. You should have thought about that before supporting somebody from the Democratic party who is SURE to lose.
Posted by: PGHPAVOTER | May 17, 2008
What makes you think john mccain is sure to win?

Hillary has 4 more years in the US Senate. Hes been in the Illinois Senate since 94 i believe. They have passed the same amount of legislation 2 bills and have co-sponsered hundreds of others. And I know your not talking about wal-mart the chief exploiter of the blue collar worker? And living in the white house now makes you qualified. Dam guess all presidential wives should be good to go. Now Im not dissing hillary if she were to get the nomination she would have my vote and the same amount of money i gave Barack 250 bucks. Im not rich lol

mccain is a moron and even he knows it thats why he waits to see if people are going to clap or not before he smiles … he looks like he is thinking did that make sense? cause i can never understand this complicated stuff. lol
i call it the did they buy this bull **** pause…haha

Many of these hostiles claiming to know this or that about Obama but who are clearly racist, identify themselves with the names of women. Many of them are men. They know one thing. Women’s opinions seem to make people stand up and take notice, and women will ultimately make the difference when it comes to electing the president of the U.S. You will see that the general election will be much worse when it comes to these men professing to be “women.” They will do anything in order to block a black man from ever being president. Such hatred is incredible, isn’t it? I’m a white baby boomer, and I thought the day would never come!
P.S. I’m reading his book on values, etc. I realize this man is special.

PGHVOTER, wow I am amazed at some of you Hillary supporters. So now you’re blaming everyone that voted for Obama on your votes for McCain. LOL I don’t think so. Half this country supports Obama and I don’t see them whining about voting for McCain if Hillary is the nominee. And FYI, I support the dem, any dem. And don’t be so sure about him losing.

Allamer18…Common sense.
Posted by: PGHPAVOTER | May 17, 2008 10:13:33 PM
If its so common explain it to me so i can be in the majority then

TruthAndNothingBut:
I appreciate your response, and agree with your assessment of the discourse on this board, but think the same can be said for proponents on both sides of the issue. For the life of me, I can’t understand how reasonable people can become so enamored with a particular party or politician that the truth, which all of us should be seeking, is no longer important.
That being said, I can agree with you that invading Iraq, from a realpolitik viewpoint, was a horrible mistake. In this regard, Bush Sr. had it right when he decided not to invade Iraq, and leave Sadam in power as a counterbalance to Iran. However, from a moral standpoint, Bush Sr.’s policy was, at best, questionable. Indeed, the far left repeatedly chastised him for not liberating Iraq (see George Clooney’s “The Three Kings”).
In a moment of philisophical schizophrenia, the neocons decided to overthrow Sadam based on their naive believe they could inject democracy between Iran and Iraq without signficant cost. In doing so, they created a vacuum, forcing our troops to fight a proxy war with Iran and to become the arbitrators in a simmering, thousand-year-old, civil/religious war between the Suni and Shia. Incredibly, the far left then berated Bush Jr. for doing what they had berated Bush Sr. for not doing.
No one wants to wage an opened-ended proxy war with Iran, particularly when we currently have no real power to strike back at the source either militarily (because of the serious domestic and international backlash) or economically (thanks to Iran’s seemingly endless oil supply). However, as I see it, Obama’s plan risks outright civil war in Iraq, partition, and a fundamentalist Greater Iran emboldened by our retreat. Neither alternative is palatable. I guess we can agree to disagree on which is the worse alternative, but I think most Democrats, including Hillary, think immediate withdrawal is not an option.
With respect to Afghanistan/Pakistan, I could not disagree with Obama more. We are already walking a thin line between protector and occupier, and a significant increase in forces there will make us, in the eyes of the Afghanis, no better than the Russians and British who proceeded us. Moreover, poking the Pakistanis to eradicate the Taliban and capture bin Laden risks creating a new fundamentalist state 180 million strong with a nuclear arsenal.
In short, no easy answers, and any politician who tells you so is not telling the truth.

“civil war” just shoot yourself and let the rest of us talk it out. thanks.

a lot of stupid people on here…
Obama was right…
reagan and jfk
if you knew the details of each had their problems but speakign to their/our enemies saved us a lot of life and moneys…and years decades more …
yes they had strength behind their talks… and yes the fall out was an arms race and the bay of pigs…
but those moves on their part were the first steps out of bad situations that were hurting our country…
they were brave leaders…who were smart…
they did not hide in their laurels and think that would hurt the enemy enough that they would stop …
brave strong America …faces our enemies… and is able to talk to them straight on… stupid America is the one that doesn’t talk.
Learn the historical chain before you start trying to refute Obamas points …please.
The past eight years alone has taught us…not talking doesn’t work…and singling out specific countries doesn’t make them less important…it makes them more.

Kenya, as the name fits, why don’t you pack up with your idiot candidate Obama, and go back to Africa. Maybe there, they will believe you and the lies he has tried to put on Americans. And, oh yeah, Kenya, here in America, the vote is what counts and Hillary has more than your idiot Obama, both in the electorate and in the popular. Its not over and won’t be over until We get to look at his idiot sad face when he loses, and the hateful wife of his as well……lol !
Posted by: david from texas | May 17, 2008 10:21:35 PM
Lol thats possibly the dumbest thing ive seen as of late. i wont even dignify it with an effort of response. Grow up

Out of this 16 million, polls indicate 30-40% will vote McCain or they want her to run as an independent.
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and she is supposed to win by getting 30-40% of 25% of the total electorate?
That is real good math.

Hillary wins the swing states, Hillary wins all of the larger states. Obama wins the Republican states. Gosh, I wonder what’s going to happen in the General Election?
Posted by: USA | May 17, 2008 10:23:37 PM
Lol what swing states? West Vriginia? the same group that put bush in office twice. PA and MI will not go red. be realistic

Daro…I hope you own a firearm…or you better train your kids…there is no talking here. Read the posts. There are the mad rants of ideologues, obvious lies stated as facts, mis- and dis-information bantied about here and there…this is not talking. Every is right when in fact everyone is wrong. Civil War is the only way…sorry to wake you up to it.

Donna does not know the difference between Hillary and McCain. You vote for policies. If you want follies of Bush :must vote for McCain If you want fresh blood then Oboma is choice.
Two weeks before 2000 election.Bush was asked”What if Saudie stop pumping oil.?
His answer”When I will show my angery Face they will start pumping again::As a doctor I hnow it a sign of insanity. We have dearly paid for it. If we want to continue war,gas will be $10. and there will be revolt against the Government and democracy will be in danger We will be like 3rd world country.Some of the persons writing in this blog usse pseudo names like Patriot/Osama. Some people have a ache that how come Obama can be bright and intelligent. Republicans will try their best to involve peripheral issues and race and not issues effecting average persons. I know Jesus did not discriminate. Some have wtitten
about Wright but dot want to know about Hagee. Such people are un-Americans
Obama is a Christian, Fools will call it otherwise
If I have choice between the Christian and Muslim. I will anyday chose the intelligent of the two.
Obama,,,,extraordanery life of ordinery humble American. he is normal person who was born with a plastic spoon in his mouth unlike McCain who born with a silverspoon and his barby wife with a diamond spoon MCcain for the first time went to see the poor people in America. While Oboma started a humble life . He has just recently paid off his student loan.
I read Obama story to my childern so they get encourgement from his life.

Evidently, according to some people, strong foreign policy means bellicose and uncompromising tone. If you don’t want to talk or compromise then what is “foreign policy”? Just start bombing any time you don’t like what you hear.
Here is the news: There are as many people on the other side as there are like you that scream “appeasement” the moment someone says let’s talk to America or Israel or let’s make peace with them.
A bully always brings out the worst in people. By talking to them, you’ll be stripping the fanatics from their argument and empowering the moderates that will ultimately bring down the radicals.
War is always the absolute last resort and often an unnecessary one.

Obama is absolutely right. Every successful president negotiated with our enemies. Every failed president did not. If there was ever any doubt, George Bush’s colossal failure was due to this very mistake.

In my opinion there is no distinction between the Democrats and Republicans for the last 20 years. Remember people this country is a Republic based on individual rights. Let us not forgo those rights based on corrupt elected individuals and criminals in our society.
We should all be united in that our elected representatives are in contempt of their constituents. Sure capitalism is your god given right but executives have forgot that country and duty is first and wealth is secondary.
The current track this nation is taking is economic suicide. This so called new world order is eroding all of our rights and our sovereignty. Let me pose one question? If a foreign mass of people were take our land without our consent, would this not be an act of war? Then why do we allow elected officials to pass laws that off shore our jobs and manufacturing capabilities?
If we are serious as a nation then the first step is to pull out of the WTO, slap tariffs on countries and Americans that put their executives and stock ahead of the welfare of the citizens of the USA.
Reward those companies that bring back the manufacturing capabilities to our soil. Get ordinary citizens involved and elected into our government and stop these elitists from ruining our future.
Just my two cents!

For all the hillary people saying oh obama can’t win…
the polls that show Obama beating McCain in the head to heads…inherently take in to account the defections of hillary supporters (who most likely will not as a majority …even close) who said out of frustration and wanting their candidate to win… that they would vote for McCain …
Obama beats McCain if even half of the Hillary supporters voted for mcCain…and that was the maximum who said they would in the exit polls…
so this is probably going to be a blow out for Obama.

West Virginia has also backed every Democratic President that won the General Election, they weren’t the only state to put Bush in the White House.LOL
Posted by: shalabalaboo | May 17, 2008
Right and look how well thats turned out for them. 1 in 6 of west virginians are on wel fare. they have one of the highest unemployment rates, less than half have college degrees and most make less than the standard of living for the state. Theyve been lied to by the previous presidents

pghpavoter, there will be lots of republicans crossing over so your math is incorrect. They don’t like McCain, they wanted Romney. And not all of Hillary supporters will vote for McCain. And don’t even try to convince me they will because it’a just not true.

Eric, Thank you. Best post in a week!! You should get an award!

What is the difference between Obama and Batman? Batman CAN go out at night without Robin.
Posted by: mori | May 17, 2008 10:37:04 PM
O theres that political humor that never seems to be funny.

As someone who cannot vote in the upcoming election I am non partisan, so it does not matter who wins. However, reading the thread makes me draw the conclusion that some people are very uneducated. These people spitting venom on Obama are big bigots using internet to express their sick mind. As some one who travels around the world especially to Asia, I know for America under Bush has become a subject of ridicule and laughter. Bush and company have made a joke of American power and people around the world are laughing, asking when Bush will catch Osama, when will he win the wars and the jokes go on and on.

I can’t believe you people are trying to convince other posters that your candidate (puppet of big business) is better that any other candidate. Grow up people!

Gonzalo
or Gonzo
I think you need to go watch the videos of mcCain he says that Obama would meet with terrorists on several occasions refering to Iran.
So if he is “accusing” Obama of meeting with Iran…doesn’t that mean he inherently would not.
and if he is planning on talking to iran isn’t it disengenuous for him to “accuse” Obama …and many times he has not mentioned anything about preconditions…
Mccain should debate Obama…this will be over quicker than it eventually will be… 8 years we have gone that path of not talking… McCain wants to bomb bomb bomb…
isn;t that how it goes?
don’t be stupid… McCain has to say he won’t meet with him…and that makes the guy more important not less.

dl, you’ve got to be kidding, the smartest guy running?????
ask him how many Great Lakes are in Oregon, ask him how many states are in the Union.
at best he’s a delivery boy for the Kennedy’s and Kerry’s of the world.
Lord it was a joke.

If you ask any politician about the meaning of the word terrorist he or she will give you a different answer than other politician.why because the meaning or the word terrorist in Egypt is no the same as the word terrorist was used in kenya and is no the same in meaning in the u.s.A. every country has different meaning.before they use to call the palastainin liberation orgnization as terrorist but today every one was engage in talking with mahmoud Abas which represent the p.l.o.
if you dont want to talk to terrorist i want to ask you why are you talking to north korea which is helping the so call terrorist countries.Libya was considered to be one of the terrorist countries but now Libya which bomb the u.s.air plan over london has relationship with all the western countries.why libya is terrorist country why we you talk to them.and every body knows that you have deal with north korea and you made a deal with libya.we have to face the reality was people are suffering economically and why people are losing their jobs and houses and paying more for every thing and that enclude the gase.and tomorrow we will end up paying 50 percant of our income in gase and lose more jobs.the real problem is going to war and continuing to supprt the war will bring more problems.two things will not meet war and economy are not friends.every big problem that people are facing now let me tell you it is because if war.when you go to this war they say to look for seapons and every day there is change in the language. with every war there are war lords which make millions out of any war and the dont want the war to finish.i want to ask you who is the war lord.
they keep on injecting fear in people by saying terrorist will attack if we do not deal with them there.that is not true.why i want to ask question how can a terrorist come and do any thing to this country.how can he or they come and attack here by what means by donkey from other countries of by boat.that is not true the security is good in this country and the security is good in the ports and in the airport terrorist will never come to this country.the terrorist which attack the country on sep 11 they do not come from the border but they come by the door having legal visa.dont listen to the politician which says that terrorist will attack the country.its politics of fear politics of fear.you are strong and safe nothing will happen to this country.they whent to war for petrol we end up paying 4 dollar for gallon.if the war continue believe me after two years you are going to pay 10 per gallon.remember my words i dont know enough english but i want to tell you this war is going to destroy every green in peoples life.because if you ask why are we fighting you will have no answer.arabs can not accept democracy because it is not their culture.have you see any changes in somalia since the u.s. come out of somalia up to day people are fighting each other did you see any change in lebanon since the u.s.come out of lebanon.the answer is there is no change why because democracy is not their culture the same thing apply to iraq.democracy is not going to work their.dont wast you time your blood your money for nothing. peope which you are training to be againt you tomorrow.
every country which go to war suffer and it start to happen now people are suffering.at the end what is the problem of the problems in this country the answer is if you agree with me or not the our big big big big big problem problem problem is warrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Allameri18….Not only did Dennis Kucinich drop out of the race…but Barack Obama has INDEED gotten the nod as THE MOST LIBERAL member of the Senate. And that doesn’t even count his “Absent” votes. Read some websites. How is Barack’s cousin Odinga doing now that he’s the Prime Minister of Kenya? Are the burqua factories booming yet?

ama will be a joke too. The only good thing about Obama becoming president is we will be able to tell n*****r jokes and call them Obama jokes. Like, What is Obamas idea of foreplay? Scream B*tch and I’ll cut you.
Posted by: mori | May 17, 2008 10:47:23 PM
Is American on the biggest game of punked or Jackas? Because i was sure people like you died in the 60′s. Guess not, America will forever be the laughing stock of the world. Only thing we have going for us is our military and even that is starting to crumble

I would have sex with george bush before I would vote for Obama.

NinaK: I think you may be mistaken. We had heard of terrorist during the reagan years.

Who ever gets in will have a hell of a mess and just like New Orleans it will take time to get the the nation off its self righteous butt, because We the people can make a diffrence. Vote every incubent out of office!

The best the analysts could ever say about Obama was that he tended to do better in the debates as they went along. They never emphasized who won the debates, who knows the issues, who has the experience and who can do the job! Hillary! Just like with Bush in 2000, analysts said: “Wow, he said something coherent on foreign policy, he showed he knows something.”
If we don’t start electing people who can do the job of being president we must as well turn off the lights and say so long to America.

When did Reagan sit down with Momar Khadaffi?

ou’re ranting and raving about your candidate and you don’t even know his muslim cousin Raila Odinga is a raging Islamist in Kenya? God Save America.
Do you know his half-brother Roy Obama is a raging Islamist? What’s wrong if people discuss these matters?
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/03/obamas-militant-muslim-brother-abongo.html
Lol what? You sound as bad as Rev Wright and AIDS being used to kill blacks. Now youre just giving him family members lol. First off the only one saying that Barack is his Cousin is Raila and notice he didnt mention any of this until barack was running for president. Get outta her with that. And Roy Obama? so his father would be Baracks father right? Considering Barack was his only child. You are posing a weak argument please come up with something of substance

“Women” who claim they’re Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain are kind of amusing. McCain will stack the Supreme Court with nutcakes who will certainly overturn Roe v. Wade.
McCain has also cluelessly babbled that the reason for wage inequality for women was because they need more “education and training” despite the fact that the true reason is that there is still rampant wage discrimination.
No real woman with any brains would vote for that. I’ll bet a lot of these “women” who say they’ll vote for McCain have to shave their beards off every morning.

Allamr18 | May 17, 2008 11:00:57 PM
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now you are even more disturbing. You are the evidence why BHO got so many votes. Do you know Obama went to Kenya in 2006 to campaign for this cousin??
Posted by: voteMcCaindems | May 17, 2008 11:04:21 PM
Produce evidence and i will believe you? Not that doctored picture floating on the internet. Something credible

I wonder if Obama looked like Alan Keyes would black people be voting for him? Obama’s such a pretty caramel color.

Bonnie, your “Kenyan missionary” source has been verified to be as legitimate as the average Nigerian scam email. Anyone can look up Obama’s birth certificate and see that there is no “Mohammed” anywhere on it. When Barack Obama is elected president and (even more importantly) when the Republican/ neocon turds in Congress are flushed out of power by a Democratic landslide greater than any in modern history, you and Usama and other “Christians” of your kind (let’s not forget Huckabee) will all have to move to Kenya and hold your prayer meetings there, out of sight of the rest of us. America is sick of your kind, and your time has come and gone forever. Good riddance.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha…yes, LMAO, McCain is this best you repubs have come up with? Ha,ha,ha… I guess Rove was trying to choose the least “damage to the party” candidate to take the fall. November can’t get her quick enough. Really is pathetic when you think about what has happened to our great country. China holding a large credit card for us, a war that has been a major mistake and blemish on our standing with other major countries and a debt that I really question if we’ll ever be able to dig our way out of. This pathetic loser of a president will go down in history as the force that almost brought this country down. But hopefully a major change will bring us back to a country that is known for strength, compassion and intelligence.

Facist Alert is a terrorist. I just came back from a movie and dinner after 4 hours and he is still basement blogging. His name is on every other post. Better get up and move around before you lay an egg.

The first post from “AMERICA FIRST” shows the ignorance of the poster. The euphemism of the name, which should be “more of the same old crap from the right” explains it all. By the way, let us not forget that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld should be in prison awaiting execution for war crimes, treason, torture, violations of international law, and violations of the U. S. Constitution.

The first post from “AMERICA FIRST” shows the ignorance of the poster. The euphemism of the name, which should be “more of the same old crap from the right” explains it all. By the way, let us not forget that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld should be in prison awaiting execution for war crimes, treason, torture, violations of international law, and violations of the U. S. Constitution.

hello every bloggers,
you guys seem to miss the fundamental part. Obama says he is not talking with the terrorists at all. If anybody body doubts then see the obama speech at Sioux Falls, he said that he does not negotiate with Hamas, a terrorist organization. As far as you are concerned with Iran, he said he is gonna imply a ” tough diplomacy.” Remember everyone, North Korea got a atom bomb because of Bush’s failure to talk with them.Afterall, talking with tough diplomacy is not a bad idea.

Obama could be cousins with mickey mouse, but i truly believe, Bush is brothers with pure evil, hiding behind his christian values. I do not value anyone’s opinion who wants to keep America on the same course of George Bush. If you like McCain so much, stop complaining about Bush. I believe he has all kind of devils advising him… I mean look at us. America’s a joke and four more years is enough time to do us in. People say Obama doesn’t have experience, well, here’s a fact for you. He does, and he has more experience than Abraham Lincoln. A person with a vision is more priceless than worthless experience anyday, just look at bush… then look at john and say, what has he done? Truthfully…NOTHING

Diane @
I agree, Obama has NO values!
He is a liar!
He is not presidential at all!
I saw him at TV today , looks very sloppy! Tired and dirty, he probably does not take a shower everyday either since Muslims don’t!
Posted by: Tom, | May 17, 2008 11:23:28 PM
Extremely disheartening and discouraging. You should have more respect than that of people its a true testament as to why america is behind in every measurable category in the world

John McCain is Not george Bush at all!
He was going to run with John Kerry in 2004!
John McCain will get 65% of Hillary supporters votes but since he is not considered as a conservative republican, he may not get enough republicans to go out and vote for him!
he needs a conservative VP who understands the economy!
McCain is NOT Bush at all!

I have turned in the post by “no boma” to the FBI and the CIA. This person is crazy and is threatening an American running for President. He will be exposed via his IP address. Just “another crazy right-winger” doesn’t cut it with his/her post.

Let’s be honest, we can debate the right or wrong way to handle the current situation facing our nation until the cows come home. What we cannot debate is that Bush’s opinion should carry absolutley no weight. Look at his record.

Something big is about to drop. I’m sure you all have noticed Michelle Obama has been out the picture lately. Check out this link. http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=1028

I think it’s high time to round up the racists of America and ship them off to some faraway island.

Reagan- strategy bankrupt Russia by having a nuclear arms race. It works!
Terrorist strategy- Bankrupt America with a false terrorist threat. Close to working.
Now vote Democrat in 2008 and send a loving message to the Republicans!
Good job voters so far the 3 special elections were grand***
If our gov’t doesn’t 9/11 us again (Yes Mr. Bush was in the mix with Bin Laden) we’ll be alright.

Another pastor talks at a radio show abaout barrack Obama!
lets listen!
rense_Pastor_J_Manning_051208

Remember Bubba Clinton in the 1990’s his diplomacy is a direct result in North Korea’s ability to enrich uranium, by being truly ignorant of their true intentions in transferring our help in building their nuclear enrichment bomb plants.
Oh and why is it China is where it is at today (shooting down satellites) It was Bubba who authorized the transfer of advanced gyro avionics to China in hopes of peaceful space exploration. Wrong again!
Obama will be talking to these states of deception? Sounds like history repeating itself!
Democrats and Republicans have sold us all out and are causing the very arguments we are waging now!

What I find so amusing is that the Obama supporters critisize McCain but yet they played right into the republican strategy. Republicans have found a way to get in another 4 years. Rememeber the gamnes show THE WEAKEST LINK?

I don’t know what is worse: Bush’s lies or the people who continue to spew them. You ReTHUGlican operatives should be ashamed of yourselves!

If you truly have supported Hillary, how can you vote for McCain when the one single issue Hillary is sincerely passionate about is universal health care?
McCain will never allow this to happen.
Democrats will make sure it happens. Loyalty with no thought to the real purpose of your cause is empty. Her real cause is universal health care. Only a Democrat will do this.
I also do not understand the fear of an Obama presidency. He will not be a dictator. We will have our Constitution, and branches of government. What is everyone so afraid of? We have permitted Bush to remain in office after 7 years of failed foreign and domestic policy. If those of you who are so fearful of Obama, you will always have the rule of law. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying. Bush should have been impeached for lying.
Obama could be impeached as well. Calm down…This is America – a democracy.

There are way too many republicans here to start trouble with the dems. Or maybe it’s just one that keeps changind their id. Hope everyone can see that.

hey Wanda!
Obama got all that money from the terrorist countries illegally!
He must show his campaign donations to the American people!
His donors turned to be Hamas suicide bombers in Gaza!
Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Iran!
Are you still glad?
McCain for president!

Jacob what about Hillary’s lesbian ties. Have you heard about those.

suburbandad81:
After Fort Sumpter, did Lincoln negotiate with Jefferson Davis before he had the Confederacy on the ropes, or did he prosecute the war to its fullest extent?
Did Roosevelt negotiate with Hitler and Tojo after Pearl Harbor? Did Truman negotiate with them, or did he demand unconditional surrender?
Madison negotiated with the British to end the War of 1812. But it was the British negotiating from a position of strength, not the Americans, and we were lucky the British still had issues to deal with back in Europe.
Wilson and the Allied Powers negotiated with Germany before victory was achieved, resulting in an armistice that ultimately caused World War II.
We also negotiated our way out of Korea and Vietnam. In Korea, negotiations went nowhere until there was a military stalemate, at which point the parties agreed to status quo ante. In Vietnam, we negotiated the Paris Peace Accord allowing us to leave, and with the understanding that South Vietnam would be allowed self-determination. We had no power to enforce the agreement, and look what happened.
Carter attempted negotiations with Iran during the Hostage Crisis, but after the failed rescue attempt, and without any other leverage, those negotiations went nowhere until the Algiers Accords where we traded money for hostages.
The Reagan Administration dealt with Iran secretly as part of Iran-Contra, but does Obama really want to hang his hat on that one after all the fuss it raised?
The point is, Presidents that have successfully negotiated with unfriendly nations have always done so from a position of strength. Kennedy threatened nuclear war to get the missiles out of Cuba. Reagan offered the Soviets a chance to avoid economic collapse from a prolonged arms race. By contrast, when Presidents have sat down with an unfriendly nation without any leverage, it has always been in situations of resignation, exhaustion, desperation or a combination of all three (War of 1812, Korea, Vietnam, Iran Hostage Crisis). Which of these situations are we in now to justify unconditional talks with Al Qaeda and Hamas?

“Now is the time our brothers and sisters will rise and no longer will white america hold us down.”
A typical white hater Obama supprter!
You are a reason for so many democrats for why we will vote for McCain!

Obama is going to whip McCain in the debates, knock him out of his wheelchair. Can’t wait to see that!

If you vote for mccain be ready to cut your relationship with the gase stations and start to get ready for using your camel and donkey and horses.

Obama will increase your taxes America!
He is worse than Hillary!
He will double your capital gains taxes, income taxes and payroll taxes to give to his refugees!
McCain in 2008!

If Obama has his way all of that money will go to Kenya so they don’t have to rub sticks together for fire. The American dollar is worth about 62 Kenyan Shillings. Kenyas will be able to benefit from our taxes high and they will get natural gas lines and matches.

I am losing faith in America!
First Bush was elected (fool me once). Bush was re-elected (fool me twice). You don’t get fooled again … unless you vote for McCain.
Are Americans really that stupid? Please prove me wrong!

Yeah and Kennedy wasn’t endorsed by Castro. Why does Hamas endorse you, Obama???
He attends a racist church for 20 years, and yet everyone that doesn’t support him is a racist. I can’t wait to vote against this empty-suited loser.

Wanda!
we can pay Hillary’s debt however we are all maxed out!
All of her big donors are asking Hillary to run as an independant and leave the Democratic Party, so we can raise money again and see her to the White House as our president!
Clearly many of us will not support Obama!
is that enough!
By the way, Obama will need your prays because he is set to loose this election in November to John McCain by the huge help o9f Hillary supporters!!!
Even if both Billa and Hillary would endorse him and ask us, we still won’t vote for him!

Mack why do so many republicans say “empty suit” when referring to Obama. You can tell who you really are.

God Bless our lord and savior George W. Bush. For without him, we would be slaves to the unholy gays, abortionists and liberals who threaten America.
John McCain is the one true disciple of George Bush, and only he can deliver us from the unholy liberal coalition that threatens to destroy America.
The sun cannot set on the American Empire, and it is the duty of everyone who professes to love America to send their children (male or female) to the military so that they may help George Bush’s war, and bring us to salvation.
For all you people who use John McCain’s name in vain, you will surely rot in hell for your blasphemy.
In Bush’s name, Amen.

I don’t need to say anything about Obama comparing himself to Carter, Nixon, et al…enough has been said to qualify that you can’t compare Iran and Syria to the Soviet Union and China, and that meeting with the leader of a terrorist state legitimizes that terrorist state.
Someone mentioned the state of the economy being the real issue; it is. However, how will Obama fix/help the economy? He’ll raise taxes to pay for his plans, and from what I’ve gathered, the high taxes will start around $75k (yes, I’ve read through Obama’s website, so don’t say I’m not “educated” on the issue.). He’ll tax corporations to the point they’ll move to another country, and move more jobs. He’ll create more welfare programs that will bankrupt social security and all other similar programs, and he seems likely to pull funding from the military (after he pulls out of Iraq) to cut costs and provide money for said social programs. Of course, I could be wrong, but how would I know – Obama hasn’t said anything about how he’ll pay for any of these things, other than raise taxes. I’d love to see my paycheck cut to less than $1k so I can provide health care and unemployment for the bum who won’t get a job because of said unemployment payment!
Obama is naive and foolish, and his policies teeter on the edge of communism/socialism. His associations make me nervous, as they show bad judgement; his diplomatic policy is naive at best, and I’m not sure what the guy is actually saying – he hides a lot in his speeches by using chants and things that energize a crowd. Hitler did that…but so did MLK. I’m leaning towards Hitler due to his economic policies.
Oh, I can hear it now: I’m racist, I’m an idiot republican (I’m independent), I’m stupid and uneducated (my degree is in the liberal arts and I’m working on my MBA in finance), I hate muslims (I have several good friends from Bosnia).
This should be interesting…

How can you say Hillary voters voted for Bush? I think Bush voters voted for Bush. Black voters voted for Obama. Add in far left liberals and teenagers and you have Obama nominated. People who think it’ll be so cool to elect a black president are to blame for this mess. Not that I like Clinton but I would rather risk a Clinton presidnecy than an Obama one.

hey Obama!
I am a republican and voted for Obama in Idaho!
It was our strategy to get rid of Hillary in this race,
How do you think barrack hussein obama won the Red states?
When Obama won 11 times in Feb and March , it was our votes! As soon as Mit Romney dropped out, his supporters went for Obama to block Hillary! We follow our party’s rules! We are a great team and will win again!
I knew you Obama supporters are retarded to buy it!
We than voted for Hillary too at the end because we need her supporters at our side, so we wanted a close race, and angry Hill supporters!
We won, Republicans trapped you all!
Now, we got rid of hillary and he is unelectable!
LOL

“Hate, racism and fear; these are the politics of ignorance” …..
and of OBAMA.
*****
As for me, “GIVE ‘ME HELL, HILLARY!!!”

I got an email from HCFCIN group calling for Hillary to run independant!
They have
1 millionfourthousandandtwentytwo members and they all say they will vote for McCain and leave the Democratic Party if Obama is gets the nomination!
I am thinking about joining to them!
Is this a signal of Hillary Clinton’s independant presidential candidacy?

I have never thought that I would have to vote for a Republican some day in my life!
well, it is happening! If Obama gets this nomination I am going for Mccain!
Thanks God it is McCain what would I do if I had to make a choice between Romney and Obama or Huckabe and Obama?
HUH???

“Hey Shaney boy…we are a Socialist state….there is no such thing as Capitalism….only various shades of Socialism. Given you are getting a degree in finance you must realize at this point that there are micro-economies. There is one economy for the rich and another for everyone else, with different economic graditions within each group which are also conditioned on the micro-economies of geography and standard of living. First thing is to stop the war, cut about 3 percent of the defense budget and then pay for everything without raising taxes. Hell, cut 10 percent of the defense budget. All we really need to beat terrorists is a lock on cockpit doors and a leather coat to stop the cut of a box cutter….the whole war on terror is an excuse to continue the cash cow of the military industrial complex created during the cold war.”
Yeah, I know we’re a socialist state…I didn’t think anyone posting in this blog would actually be aware of that. Nice! I just don’t like how we’re moving towards a welfare/communist state.
I’m aware of microeconomics and the different levels of it, yes. Again, surprised someone actually is aware of this; it seems like these people are more along the lines of “Tax the rich until they’re poor!” and “Corporations are evil…take their money even though their profits are paying for my retirement!”
Before reducing the defense budget, we need to have a thorough overhaul of what we want to pay for in regards to defense; due to the nature of the world and the way wars are being faught, we could probably scrap a lot of the technology and go for more convential, infantry based defenses…and walls along both our borders would be good.
Here’s an idea that I like…reduce the defense budget, end social security (money is contributed to individual retirement account instead – that is what social security was intended for, individual retirement, not welfare programs), rescind the patriot act, secure our borders and fix the immigration issue, adjust the way universities are treated in regard to tax exempt status (Harvard and their management company, for example), get the fed to raise rates to a nice 5% rate, go back to the gold standard, and lower taxes for everyone to a nice, flat tax: you make more, you pay more.

Hey Debbie:
I read your posts. You strike me as not very bright.
I suppose it takes all types to make up the human race, so I’ll try and forgive the fact that when it came to brains and judgment, God decided to withhold those from you. But, in case you haven’t gotten yet, I’ll say it again using other words: You’re a SUB-NORMAL. And judging from many of the other comments on this post, I can see that you are not alone. America is full of them. I mean, the re-election of George Bush in 2004, and the fact that he came close enough in the popular vote to steal it in 2000, should have taught me this already. Nonetheless, it never ceases to amaze me when I encounter it.

Melinda | May 18, 2008 12:22:08 AM
Melinda,
Is what you wrote about a being a Republican who voted for Obama just so that Hillary would lose the election?

After reading these comments, I believe most of thyem are posted by the SWIFT BOATERS or their friends – just like they vilified Kerry in 2004.
it is going to get ugly folks – prepare for the worst from the reich wing loonie fringe.

What experience does Obama have when it comes to foreign policy? Well Obama does have one and why the MSM is not highlighting it is very curious.
Obama’s foreign policy experience to date was campaigning for his cousin Odinga. Odinga is a convicted felon in Kenya. Obama’s cousin, Odinga is a Marxist revolutionary who is associated with a group of Islamo-fascist political operatives who were responsible for raping and looting and burning black women and children alive in their church pews. Obama’s cousin is now co-Prime Minister Odinga and is responsible for displacing hundreds of thousands of refugees, burning crops to the point where Kenyans are starving and destabilized a pro-Western ally bordered with Islamo-fascist Somalia.
So Obama does have one example of foreign policy experience and the MSM needs to ask Obama to explain and justify his foreign policy allegiance with his cousin Odinga.

McCain is embracing Bushes failed policies and his big tax breaks for the wealthy. I want more taxes on the wealthy not less. Bush has done much damage to our country and ruined it’s image in less then eight years. McCain will continue down this path of doom and further damage the US with failed Bush blunders.

Republicans are the KKK. They come in here and spew racist rants…
Hannity’s Racist Mentor HAL TURNER and Rush are KKK card members
Hannity admits to hating Black People..
Karl Rove is the Supreme KKK leader.
McCain’s Racist Pastors Rod Parsley and John Hagee are KKK card members..
Mccain never wanted MLK Holiday in AZ.
This explains it all
EXPOSED!!!!!

Obama is as much as a flip flopper as his ears are. HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE PAIN FOR YOU!!!!!!! SAVE US

It’s a good idea and has precedent. Obama should face them down and get them in line. Proper channels could be observed, and perhaps only surrogates at first, but yes, it’s basically a good idea. Give ‘em he11, Barack.

The NYTimes story about how he’s been using his wife’s corporate plane for his campaign using a slightly dodgy campaign finance carve-out
What kind of judges McCain would appoint to the Supreme Court, and what their agenda might be (hint: To overturn Roe v. Wade, for starters
Who pays for Meghan McCain and the McCain Blogette team? Per the AP, “‘McCain Blogette’ is independent from the campaign. So independent, the campaign said it could not answer who pays for Meghan and her two friends to travel on campaign planes and buses.”
What, exactly, in the John Hagee oeuvre (Catholicism as “Great Whore,” women with PMS as Dobermans/terrorists, Katrina as punishment for a Gay Pride parade in New Orleans, having a ‘slave sale’) does McCain support, and how, exactly, he thinks Hagee “supports what I stand for and believe in.”
McCain’s sudden claims to environmentalism vs. his record of skipping “every one of the 15 votes that the League of Conservation Voters deemed critical measures for the environment, including votes where the Arizona Senator’s yea would have meant passage by a single-vote margin,” according to the Daily Green (via C&L).
Whether the media has overblown his foreign policy acumen and leadership, given his repeated foreign policy gaffes.

I thought Obama was going to be weak but now I see he is stronger than Mccain and Bush combined. If Hilary does not come through, It is Obama all the way. No Mccain-Bush Please

I see a candidate that will attack our enemies the way he has attacked Mccain-Bush. That guy is really from the South south of Chicago. The home of the toughest men.

hahahahaha ”eyes extremely wide open.”
Yes it does…..LOL!!!!

What is “Gary Ware” smoking? I think he needs to put down the pipe and actually read and listen to the candidates rather than make up or repeat stuff that not even the Republicans believe, they only want to fool people (Evangelicals) into voting for them, then payback by proposing bans on bills that they know won’t pass (abortion, Gay rights etc.) then people like “Gary” vote for them and they shaft the country, get rich (Haleburton, Big Oil) and do it again in 4 years! WAKE UP! Gary, you are a grown man, stop allowing them to treat you like a lap dog!

So if McCain wins he may help appoint conservative judges, and if Obama wins he may help appoint judges that are well versed black liberation theology. I’ll take my chance with McCain.

Mccain doesn’ give a rats arse about you Re-pubic-ans voters and troops dying in these dumb arse WARS.
His old fart senile self never cared about the America peope..You dumb Republicans sheep and cattle are jst dumb as Bush is.. No wonder my Country is going down the Toilet.. Republicans just need to crawl back into there caves and don’t come out until you get a real education.
Obviously Republicans don’t have enough intelligence to fill a thumball and never been the smartest humans on EARTH..
REPUBICANS ARE TO STUPID TO VOTE RIGHT,,,,, THEY ALWAYS PICK IDIOTS TO RUN THE COUNTRY..
Lincoln and Regan were Republicans with Democraic Souls!!!!

Bush has the worst foreign relations record in recent history He is an utter and complete failure. He has no expertise or success he could point to when it comes to dealing with friends or enemies alike. His ideas are proven losers, yet he wants to criticize people who don’t agree with him. He needs to sit down, shut up, and let brighter minds and tougher men deal with these issues.

Rob.A it is you that is the biggest idiot. Who do you think you are? You dont attack anyone on this blog. I guess you are a red-neck. Always thinking they are better than the rest of every American. I dont care who you were referring to but dont call anyone an idiot. Guess you dont even know what an idiot is?

The Democrats must be stopped everythings going so well, its the activist judges and the liberal media that make you think otherwise. We got to do it the cowboy “don’t mess with Texas” way you can’t talk to nobody, the USA can do anything they want. The liberals want you to save the enviroment and get along with the rest of the world, but I have news for you not everyone in this world is a good white christian. The democrats want to steal our guns, our stem cells, and make us marry gay people, I watch Fox News everyday so don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about!

If Obama will call out the President and McCain like this, imagine what he would do to the leader of a rogue nation. Perhaps a Southsider-style beatdown.

Nickberry,
What is the matter? He is engaging the enemy. Does it frieghten you that he may know what he is talking about?

Hannity’s Soul-Mate of Hate
Well, there’s plenty of evidence to the contrary (Max Blumenthal’s piece in Nation is good for a start), but it hardly matters, because don’t you know, days later, Turner himself was doing his pal a total solid by coming out and stating, “Oh, yeah! We’re best of buds!”
I mean, Hannity gave Turner his Super Secret Little Anti-Semite Annie Decoder Ring so he could call him up whenever he wanted to! If the two men had been younger – and mentally eligible for a high school education – they surely would have gone to prom together!
Anyway, Turner and Hannity have a nice, long, intimate, chummy history, and Turner offers the essential blow-by-blow. “I can tell you from my firsthand, personal experience that Sean Hannity does, in fact, agree with many of my political and social views. I can also tell you that Sean Hannity disagrees with some of my political and social views. I won’t go subject-by-subject to say which he agrees with and which he disagrees with. You can figure that out easy enough on your own!” Can we? What if we’re not enthusiastic fans of the thought processes of nimrods, though?
Naturally, Turner has got a blustery warning for us all: “Another big difference is that I am perfectly willing to use force and violence against my enemies while Sean Hannity and others are not. Those using me as a prop to attack Sean Hannity would do well to remember this fact. Rest assured I will remember them when the opportunity presents itself; especially as it pertains to that sodomite Max Blumenthal for the falsehoods and total trash he wrote about me in ‘The Nation’ magazine.”
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/03/23/neo_naziwhite_supremacist_hal_turner_confirms_friendship_and_kinship_with_sean_hannity.php

Get Real Hillary has already lost. Even McCain and Bush has figured that out.

ambro:
Al Qaida didn’t have the bomb or a large army. Nonetheless, they did significant damage to us.
_______________________
Thinking:
Make up your mind! First you denounce Bush and McCain as stupid and THEN you say we should believe them about BO’s
lively contender…
Maybe YOU should start thinking!
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!

Many Obama supporters view Iraq as a failure despite the facts on the ground that the “surge” is a success and Al Qaeda is on the run. If Obama has his way, Obama will most certainly drag defeat out of the jaws of victory. I do not believe the American people want this as a defeat in Iraq would result in such grave consequences to the US and the people of Iraq.
The simple truth is, had Saddam adhered to UN resolution 1441 the US would not have invaded Iraq. Documents secured from Saddam now show that Saddam had every intention of restarting his WMD program as he did not think the US would invade him. So sooner or later, the world would have had to face up to the immediate threat Saddam posed to the world. Post 9/11, the US decided it would not wait and be attacked by a known enemy of the West . An enemy who cheered 9/11 , provided aid to Hamas , and who every intelligence agency reported had WMDs. Thus Iraq was invaded. In my opinion, whether it would have been better let Saddam stay in power is a moot point at this time. The facts on the ground now in Iraq are that Al Qaeda is there and if the USA retreats and turns Iraq over to them, Al Qaeda will have access to Iraq’s large oil reserves and thus the means and opportunity to attack us and attack us hard. Our Middle Eastern allies may abandon us and hook up with Al Queda, not to mention the boost a withdrawal from Iraq will give to Iran, Syria and Hamas. Think WWIII, A lot of people on these posts seem think the worse of the USA, again as embodied in the anti-American sermons of Rev. Wright. Further, they scoff at the threat Al Qaeda and the rest of their ilk poses to the security of the US and future of the Western World. I say stop thinking the worse of America and save a little of your vitriol for our true enemies who have vowed to kill all of us. If Obama is elected his defeatist policies will put us all at more risk of another 9/11 attack and even worse the blow up the middle east which will mean more will die, just like what happened in WWII when people thought Hitler could be appeased and were wrong, very wrong.

WHAT WHITE SHEEP SEEM TO FORGET!!
The Bush’s Sr and Jr and McWar too!!!
Along with Our moronic Government gave the Taliban and Al Qaeda training to use the weapons we gave them to fight against Russia in Afghanistan!!
Remember you fools!!
We also trained and gave Weapons to Saddam!!
Remember you Fools!!
Now those are the Chickens that came home to Roost that Rev idiot Wright was talking about.
To bad White sheep hate when they are told, “YOU FUDGED UP!!”
We went over there to get Saddam out of power for what ever reason they think they saw fit.
He was a bad man for sure. He needed to be killed. But kill him only, not everyone else but him.
White Sheep need to change the course and get a President in office that will get our Sons and Daughters out of this no win Iraq problem.
We went in not knowing how the hell we are going to get out..
THAT’S WHAT I CALL A REAL SMART MOVE, BY THE SAME PERSON’SFAMILY THAT GAVE THEM POWER..
THE BUSH’S!!
Our American Government gave the Muslims and Islamic terrorist all the weapons they needed to start a Holy War..
We thought they were our friends, lol!!
WAKE UP WHITE SHEEP, PLEASE WAKE UP…
You kept your mouths closed for this long..
YOU POOR SHEEP!!

C’mon white people, let the nigs have the dem party. Typically we are better paid and have better education. We live in better neighborhoods and drive nicer vehicles. We have more to lose than the nigs. It’s time for us to stick together.
Posted by: jo | May 18, 2008 1:47:04 AM
lol it must be like a book of stupidity and ignorance that has more pictures than words that people like you inherit. Its like Racism for dummies. Pictures of black people next to a crack house, a hispanic next to a lawn mower. Im gonna need for you to do better

Essentially his plan is we’re gonna dismantle the employer-based system and give everybody a tax break and then see if you can fend for yourself in the marketplace This is exactly what Obama is propossing except for children

Obama is not at all like Kennedy, maybe like Reagan always saying things that “are not what he meant” He looks insignificant against the flag background. Write Hillary on the ballot.

Most Obama supporters are racist. Write Hillary on the ballot, she will crush obama

Write Hillary on the ballot.
***********************************
LOL. With electronic voting machines? When was the last time yuou voted?

Most Obama supporters are racist. Write Hillary on the ballot, she will crush obama
Posted by: libre | May 18, 2008 1:56:14 AM
lol where are u getting that info from? have you met the 16 million obama fans? guess richardson, pelosi, dean, the three former clinton supporters are all racists. youve allowed the stupid media to cloud your judgement.

Thinking even on electronic machines you can write an independent. Wrte Hillary on the ballot. Obama is unelectable

anastassia27:
No, “Sweetie”.
Let’s not go there!
Many of us are perturbed at the sexist attitude of too many (not all) men in these various blogs who are picking this Newbie about whom most of our information has come from his two semi-autobiographical novels…. which albeit literate are not necessarily factually dependable .
Others are turned off by his sexist statements like the one describing the woman who raised him as “a typical white woman”…. and addressing professional women as “Sweetie”.
Also, some of us are repulsed by the chutzpa and misinformation emanating from this charismatic egocentric character, and his associations with people who we wouldn’t want littering up the Oval Office while discussing foreign policy.
Finally, some of us just find him to be
TOO G R E E N!!!
Which is why I say:
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Allamr08 You are proof of that

Obama’s healthcare plan just calls for children coverage enforcement. for adults his propossal is the same as McCain. Obama opposses Universal Healthcare. Write Hillary on the ballot.

LIBRE:
are you sure?
I’m a displaced New Yorker here in
Illinois… and I definitely wouldn’t want my vote to be in danger of going to him!

questionar yes, There are only six states that do not allow write ins

@Sandy
What is this then from your post?
“Many Obama supporters view Iraq as a failure despite the facts on the ground that the “surge” is a success and Al Qaeda is on the run.”
Sounds like you said that Al Queda is there to me

Dear Mr. Obama,
George Bush and John McCain don’t have a problem with John F. Kennedy, or Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon because those guys had the expertise to do the great things that you so kindly pointed out.
YOU said McCain and President Bush don’t understand foreign policy. Can you provide me with a history of your foreign policy experience? What knowledge, what experience, what background do you have? And, please don’t point to your Jakarta/Muslim connection… it doesn’t bode well.
Your only claim to fame is condemning all who voted for the war… claiming you were against it from the beginning… all based on a 2002 speech you gave in Chicago… but you conveniently leave out the fact that you weren’t even in the Senate then… hoping we’ll assume you were. In fact you had not been elected yet and were in Illinois when the vote went down.
You want us to think that you alone had the courage to take this position… through some mystical insight… but the truth is… you had nothing to risk! In a 2004 interview with the New York Times you admitted that you had not been privy to the Senate intelligence reports and said, “What would I have done? I don’t know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.” Those intelligence reports were the basis of the Senate’s decision. If you were not privy to those intelligence reports then the case was never presented to you… so how can you honestly say the case was not made? You couldn’t!
You’re not being honest or truthful, nor do you have any courage given your voting record on “Important” legislation in Illinois and Washington D.C. I could go on but it’s late and I’m tired.
Please respond. Facts only… No Smooth Talk!

@jo
Your trash.

THIS WAS NEITHER ABOUT OBAMA NOR APPEASEMENT
Why is the media focusing on the wrong story here?
Obviously Obama picked up on the potential for headlines, but is that not a secondary story?
This about the misuse of the term “NEGOTIATE”
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/05/bushs-misrepresentation-of-negotiate.html

So JO, you are in GATE COMMUNITY with a Prison Security Guard…
I see, how’s BUBBA treating you lately, can’t sleep? the pain the pain…

Happy republican here. I’ll pay $20 a gallon and the war can last 100000 years as far as I care. Better than Obama being president.
Posted by: jo | May 18, 2008 2:15:46 AM
20 a gallon and 100,000 years of war? real tough talk. well your educated and make more money than nigs so i guess you can do it. i wonder if you will put your sons in this 100,000 year war with 20 dollar gas. be a little realistic with your exaggerations

What we have is a paperless voting machine there is no way to do a write in. One turns a knob, and the machine scrolls down, and select enter for or against. That is it.

thinking you are wrong

allamr08 Now Obama’s supporters say they would support Sen Clinton if she was the nominee. But for months most of barack’s supporters have insulted her and her family and her supporters, and have denigrated and underestimated all Democrat achievements, including the Presidency of Bill Clinton, the best president in the last 40 or more years. 80% of Obama’s supports are from AA that are supporting him just for race and not the issues. That is not enough to win the GE. He is unelectable.
i cant speak for all of his supporters but all the exit polls said that more of obama supporters would support hillary than hillary supporters supporting obama so im a little confused by your post. But again i say you have been duped my friend. Obama supporters have not been the problem its the media with this stupid demographics game. blacks whites educated old women working class all of this talk divided us and we let it. we allowed for them to dictate and put us in categories.

“In 3 years JFK gave the world the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Viet Nam war. His personal life was equally a mess cheating on his wife and addicted to pain killers.”
Yet none of you have demeaned Jackie just as none of you have ever demeaned Eleanor Roosevelt!
None of you even demeaned JFK!
Bill Clinton gave you so much and, despite his impunities, more than fulfilled our dreams of hope and prosperity…. and after eight years of dedication left our treasury overflowing with billions of dollars.
Hillary and Bill brought life to the Democratic Party and were nothing but generous to the people of this country and the world….
In payment for the all of the GOOD things the Clintons have done Obama’s followers for the most part have slandered and spewed slime at them and showed a venomous evil spirit I’ve never ever seen before in a political campaign.
Obama, of course, claims to have clean hands in this regard because truly, he didn’t have to lift a finger.
(Just like he was blameless in Michigan when he had his phone guys spread the word that every should vote “uncommitted” because he knew he couldn’t have won.)
Bill’s Campaign was Hope Fulfilled, and he has said that Hillary is capable of being a thousand times better than he was.
Why would you vote for Mr Green, whose “Change” so far seems to be shifting back to the fifties… when you could vote for a woman who comes to us not with chants and promises, but with viable SOLUTIONS?
GIVE ‘EM HELL HILLARY!!!!

BO is the only one who has problem with JFK. He did not campaign as he should in West Virginia like JFK. JFK did not quit on people and sell people short. BO hold 2M voters of MI and FL hostage for the momentum of his campaign. The party pundits and BO collaborate to exploit the civil right of people.
Ted the playboy candidate was sucked in supporting BO because of the legend of his father sponsored by Kennedy fund; which is a lie.
BO do not fight his battle and have the party sending out attack dogs to tamper people voting for Hillary.
JFK is for civil right and BO makes the country divisive with 92% of black votes to begin with. He uses Bush play book in smearing Hillary, McCain whoever in his way.
BO is a phony. His poetic promises of change is supported by hot air.—–
Todd Spivak of the Houston Press has documented how Obama accomplished next to nothing in his first six years in the Illinois legislature.——
Then Emil Jones Jr. an African American with thirty years in the legislature made Obama a sponsor of 26 bills that became law. This is how BO portrays himself as a highly successful legislator.——
This is just like giving him the ball at 1 yard line.—–
Has Obama repaid Jones? Yes. He has provided tens of millions in earmarks for Jones’ district. As to such actions, Jones famously said: “Some call it pork; I call it steak.”——
Michelle Obama’s salary at University of Chicago Hospitals when her husband won the US Senate seat was $121,000. Within weeks of his swearing in, her salary went to over $320,000. The following year Obama did an earmark request for $1 million for her employer.——
BO is just a talker that has used bombastic high-flown language to fool millions of people by poetic promises of change. In reality, he has taken considerable money and support from all sorts of corporate and other special interests. Remember his Bittergate!

Bill Clinton gave you so much and, despite his impunities, more than fulfilled our dreams of hope and prosperity…. and after eight years of dedication left our treasury overflowing with billions of dollars.
Hillary and Bill brought life to the Democratic Party and were nothing but generous to the people of this country and the world….
I think your inflating the clintons a bit much. Bill wasnt all that great. he didnt really do much and had more scandal then anything. I like them and all but his presidency was not great. And you can see how great the clintons are by their supporters. Most of them have defected to Obama because of whatever reasons. But hillary is now owed anything she was not the president she was the wife.

He’s demanding answers from the president and McCain ( a former POW, war hero) and he thinks we have 57 states! At least Hillary’s respectful to the flag. I give her that and the deserving call to be the nominee. Either way, McCain will win!

John_Lai | May 18, 2008 2:30:06 AM
Thank you for doing your homework.

Obama ain’t no Jack Kennedy.
Kennedy was a leader. Obama is a follower.
Obama follows the rules!
In 1776 the rule said only white male landowners can vote.
From 1776-1864 the rule said slavery was legal.
From 1776-1869 the rule said a person race or servitude could be used to prevent a citizen from voting.
Before the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the rules said Negros sit in the back of the bus…
DNC rules Florida & Michigan voters do not count.
Obama was a sheep in Rev. Wright’s flock.
Obama opposed a revote in Florida & Michigan because he is a chicken that he would lose.
The President of the U.S. is a leader NOT a follower! A leader to represent all the people and to change bad rules!

So far Hillary clinton is the only one actually going to all of the states. Even in states where she knew she would not win either Bill, Chelesea or her went there to try. Obama has already quit if you ask me.

I think Kennedy is having his medical problems out of guilt. He knows he needs to chnage his endorsement to Clinton.

Allamr18, May 18, 2008 2:32:47 AM
Not at all.
Allamr18 Look up his presidency for yourself; it’s all available, all the time!
As for HIllary, no one ever said she’s “owed anything”.
SHE IS ABLE TO G I V E US THE
LEADERSHIP WE NEED!
Let’s not be stupid and throw this opportunity away!
SHE doesn’t need US!
WE need HER!!!
Give ‘em just a little bit of Hell
HILLARY !!!

Obama should read up on history what Kennedy did with CUBA. Kennedy was going to wipe CUBA off the face of the map. It was only after CUBA backed down from pointing missles at United States did Kennedy back down from destroying CUBA.

WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT IS ALL THE SAME, WHO GETS INTO THE OFFICE.

Typical Obama smokescreen. No context to what actually happened and the situations associated with the diplomatic discussions made by Kennedy and Regan. One thing both Kennedy and Regan did was negotiate via peace through superior military strength. Terrorists are not people open to civil discussions. They are thugs – get it!

“I’ve talked to people in Canada about their health care and was told by several people in Victoria that if they want good health care they come to the U.S. I’m a non-partisan voter by the way.”
Tell you what “Ron Powell” a hell of a lot more of us are going the OTHER way, whether to buy prescriptions or get treatment our insurance companies won’t finance us for here. Health care should NOT be a profit-making industry it should be a civic right and a social service. We’re No 38 in the world health care leagues. Canada is WAY above us.

a bush third-term is impossible.
presidents are only allowed two terms.
McCain is his own person with his own approach. A FIRST TERM MCCAIN TRUMPS A FIRST TERM OBAMA-MICHELLE.

Not racist, read the book, don’t like him. Sorry! Thanks for jumping to conclusions like most of you bots out there.

Obama’s willingness to engage the “enemy” is a fresh approach. Chiding and refusing to discuss the issues that are fueling a serious conflict is just grand standing. It takes a true statesman to get his team to prepare both sides for meetings. Ignoring the “enemy” is as short sighted as those who want to destroy Israel. Such horrible stand-offs only benefit the military-industrial-religious nazi-esque war mongers. They would rather let the best men and women, and innocent bystanders suffer as a conflict rages on. Shame on Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. They belong in front of the world court for crimes against humanity.

Yes I did. Why rewrite it? It’s all over the internet anyway. Let’s have a discussion. Yes, I agree with some type of interfacing with our enemies … but no I don’t prefer a Neville Chamberlain in 2008. Yes it’s time for a black man or woman as president, but it’s not time to have someone who’s been glorified by the media. Maybe I’ve been around too long, but people will listen to anything when their going hungry. Say what you will, spout your comments like I see many of you doing, and keep dividing us from the big picture of no matter who is in office, nothing will change until special interests, interlocking board directorships, corporate control and those factors eliminate the plague that has taken over our congress and president.

“Obama is not only unelectable on a national basis, he couldn’t be elected US senator in any state other than Illinois.”
Yet he’s going to be our next president. Funny how that happens isn’t it?

“We should never negotiate out of fear, but we should never fear to negotiate.” — JFK
Wise words.

I don’t get the Bush/McCain logic that just negotiating with an enemy somehow elevates that enemy. There might a be a small bit of truth to it but it all depends on how it is done. You certainly don’t want to have photo-ops and handshaking ceremonies and such. Most of it should be done behind the scenes with little publicity. The negotiations have to be serious, hard-nosed and to the point and that’s it.

There is one indisputable fact — the policies and practices of the US did not depose Castro from power in Cuba. Nearly 50 years of not speaking directly with Fidel has brought us to where we are today. Cubans are living in poverty, expatriate Cubans in the US are estranged from their families and only old age has caused the slightest of change in the leadership of Cuba. Heck, even the USSR crumbled nearly 20 years ago after direct talks ensued.
It wasn’t until Gorbachev explained it directly to Reagan in Iceland that relations between the USSR and the West were going to change.
And, as we all know, Reagan was quite proud of claiming that he negotiated with Iran to release the hostages right after he was elected even though it was Carter’s administration that had successfully negotiated with Iran.
The hypocrisy of the Bush and McCain policy statements is nauseating.

Csquan: From the beginning, Obama already had the financial backing needed to run his race and Obama knew he will get the young white voters with Orpha’s support. But. he was not sure about the black voters and was having trouble getting their support. So we played the race card to ensure the black votes. And, the black voters turned against the Clintons. Major of the black voters strongly believe that Obama is going to make major changes that will rules in their favor but they do not understand that Obama must and will take care of his financial backers (high-level white supporters) before helping anyone. Obama will be okay.

cookie : agree….some people will be sold out, and I think I know who they will be …so invoking JFK kinda sets the stage for a bad omen.

“I speak as someone who studied International Relations on the graduate level at Tufts University!!!”
Well, quite obviously, sir, you didn’t study very hard, because you didn’t learn much more than how to twist the truth. None of the diplomatic successes to which Obama makes reference were accomplished without preliminary informal talks, often through intermediaries, of which the public-a-large had no knowledge. The United States is currently engaged in such a diplomatic effort with Hamas, with Egypt acting as the intermediary. And guess what? Our government has officially stated that Hamas is a terrorist organization that it unequivically says it will not negotiate with. So once again, we have a candidate – Obama – who has the intergrity to tell the truth and another – McCain – who tells war-mongers what they want to hear, knowing full well that it is a lie.

Meanwhile Bush is paying insurgents $10 a day to protect their local villages, negotiating with insurgents to go after the Al Quada in Iraq. Once that money stops flowing and the insurgents have compiled enough of an arsenal to continue their civil war the violence will start again. Bush is hoping that all heck breaks loose once he leaves so the Republicans can point fingers at the new Dem president. Good old politics.

Moses negotiated from a position of strength and with CONDITIONS… BHO ?

Akeem,
You’re right – not many Americans travel overseas, read other English-speaking countries’ news, or speak with anyone who isn’t exactly like them. We have a large population of very closed-minded, ego-centric people who cannot see beyond their own fears (those who are not like them). Those people fail to see how Barack Obama will be an excellent President because they cannot get past his differences. Fortunately, each year, they are becoming less and less relevant. And, I hope that in November, that will become apparent – especially to them.

Obama does not have one single thing to recommend as POTUS. Write in Hillary and send a message to the Democratic Party.

The empty bag of wind shoots off his mouth again. As a Hillary Democrat, I support John should Hillary be rolled by the party leadership and the super delegates. Sickening. John McCain has given great service to our Nation in war and peace. John can be trusted with the security of America.

Thinking: what about the Obama, Wright, farrakhan policy. Much better – Wright???
Posted by: kRuss | May 18, 2008 10:32:47 AM
what are you referring to if you dont mind me asking

well I can see that so many are uneducated here. One says russia and China didn’t attack us, but China helped the opposition in viet-nam and Look what happened with the russians in afghanistan, or having nuclear missles pointed at us. I am very confident in Mr. Obama’s abilities. Some of the trolls around here should read a book once in a while and get over themselves b/c if they don’t our country WILL fall and that is no joke.

I think Hillary and McCain are traditional candidates. They will do alright. Come on guys you know it. McCain is much better than Bush. And Hillary is much better than McCain. But Obama, hmm we do not know a whole lot. And that makes him so attractive. We want something different and if we do not have Obama, we will always wonder “What if Obama would have become the President?” And so I am willing to take this bet. Some people say Obama will destory America. Take a hike. A president cannot destroy America if people do not it destoryed. We have other pillars of power which can check the President. So my fellow American, “Support Obama”.

Bush Adminstration have been having DIRECT TALKS with Iranians about Iraq. Read the news!!
and then he blames Obama for it?
Hypocricy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sue, Why are you still selling Hillary? Hillary ran out money running her campaign. She can’t run the country out money because Bush already did that.

well….I will have to say that abcnews is the only place left where both sides are stil having a decent debate.
We get the sense the same folks who finance BHO are ones paying MSNBC and CNN … and Fox, clearly not a place where DEMS nor liberals hang out

Scott :….but it is something else to sit down with HAMAS like Carter did. Not sure if it is appeasement but it weakens us for sure

For the record, Obama mentioned JFK on Friday in his speech, before Ted Kennedy went to the hospital.
Geeze.

Most Republicans are filled with anger and they are easily manipulated by the GOP because they just point to groups and say “see your life sucks because of the liberals, your life sucks because of the gays, your life sucks because of the illegal immigrants, etc. They give them a scapegoat for their anger and self loathing so they don’t have to look inward at themselves and try to be forgiving and tolerant of others. John Dean (a Republican) and others have talked about it in their books and I have lived it in my own family. It will take many years for these people to take a serious look inside to see that their anger is coming from fear and that they really have nothing to fear. Now I know some right winger will say “see you liberals don’t know that there are terrorists out there who want to kill us and we need to kill them first.” Well, I would say that if we start dealing with other countries more fairly instead of bullying them we will gain their respect and they won’t raise their children to want to destroy us. But the fearful won’t hear this for many, many years.

Lynn,
Please note that he is speaking of Iran and Cuba when he says he will sit down and negotiate. He is not speaking about Iran or Hamas. I really hate it when people just spew out BS Republican talking points without knowing the facts. He is speaking about doing the exact same things as both JFK and Reagan did. Take away the man for a moment and listen to the message. You might just find out it is not the message you hate, but the messenger.

For those who don’t check history, allow me to bring you up to date. JFK held secret meetings with Kruschev from 1960 to his death in 1963. And a lot of the communication was in the form of letters between the two. Both leaders spoke frequently by telephone. Overlooked is the fact that many of the communicative letters were formatted and sent to Kruschev on our early computers. Look it up. The communication was called diplomacy, which is like a tricky dance of one leader trying to bluff the other. It was this dance that caused Kruschev to back down in the Cuban Missle Crises and dismantle his missiles that were installed there.

Talking with sinners is the Christian thing to do – Matthew 9: 9-13. Proving our purity by only preaching to the choir changes nothing.

As a Republican, I think it’s time we (and everyone else) face the fact that not only do we R’s not have some special talent for guaranteeing the security of this nation, the actions of George Bush during these last two terms have undermined our security to the point where we risk becoming a paper tiger.
When George H. Bush invaded Kuwait in 1993, he sent 540,000 American soldiers, who acted in concert with some 250,000 more coalition allied soldiers. George W. Bush has sent 150,000 of our best soldiers to perform a task which is probably a hundred times larger and more complex than simply removing the Iraqi army from Kuwait. We have now been there longer than it took to win World War II. We have spent nearly $1-Trillion on the war to date, money we did not have to spend (we borrowed it from the Chinese, Japanese, and the Saudi Royal Family, among others). Because Bush never actually sold the American public on the notion that Iraq posed a “grave threat to our national security”, he has never been able to mobilize the country as a whole in support of the war effort. The result has been that a small number of our volunteer army has been flogged to the breaking point, and there is no end in sight. We are now allowing convicted felons and members of domestic gangs to sign up for the military in order to meet quotas. We are filling in the gaps in our military force by paying billions to companies like Blackwater, who in turn pay 6-figure incomes to mercenaries willing to go to Iraq for hard cash (and lots of it). And yet, Bush opposes legislation which would simply guarantee that our reserve soldiers can pay the full cost of tuition for the college education they were promised when they signed up.
It may not be noticeable to most, but our military personnel have begun to question the basic issue of duty to serve their country when they find their fellow citizens not willing to lift a finger to support them or the war in any way which require ordinary citizens to make sacrifices. It is astounding to me that our government quickly approved what amounted to a gift-certificate to taxpayers that cost $150-Billion (in more borrowed funds) as a so-called ‘stimulus’, but balks at approving $70-Billion to fill in the gaps in the GI Bill which would allow our reservists to go to college. These are not the policies and practices which guarantee we will be ready to fight the next war with the same skill and commitment which has been demonstrated by our soldiers in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Meanwhile, back at the economy, while George Bush has been holding the line on tax-cuts, the dollars people are keeping rather than paying in taxes are worth %30 less today than they were when he took office. But its been demonstrated that this is the best course politically, because American taxpayers don’t seem to notice. Unfortunately, the financial markets and investors around the world have taken notice, which is why our economy is not only in a recession, it is teetering on a magnitude 7 or 8 seismic collapse, something akin to what just happened in China, albeit in financial terms.
The connection to our security as a nation is obvious. The Soviet Union caved in partly because of it’s moral vacancy, but in large part because their economy was unable to pay the price-tag for keeping up with a nation with a viable free-enterprise capitalistic system. As George W. Bush has nearly doubled our foreign debt in just under 8 years, our national balance sheet is a complete disaster. If you don’t believe me, go to http://www.cia.gov and look up a comparison between our financial condition and say, China.
I found it extremely amusing that George Bush generously offered to send $500,000 to the Chinese in disaster relief. It’s kind of like sending a gift to the Bank of America, and using your Bank of America credit card to pay for it. President Bush obviously enjoys playing the role of the big-brother who helps everybody out in time of crisis. The Problem is, we already owe the Chinese something like $400-Billion (out of a total foreign debt of $12-Trillion), and we’re borrowing more every week. Meanwhile, in our cash account (according to the CIA), we have approximately $65-Billion in hard cash. China on the other hand, has $1.5-Trillion in hard cash, and their foreign debt is not quite $400-Billion.
In other words, China could write a check and pay off their entire foreign debt any time they want, and still have over $1-Trillion in the bank (so to speak). We on the other hand, barely have enough cash on hand to make our minimum monthly payment on our national credit card. And yet we’re offering to send them a few bucks for disaster relief.
When I hear John McCain starting to parrot the ‘tough talk’ of George W. Bush, and suggest that somehow making threats and posturing that Iran resembles in some way Nazi Germany constitutes a deterrent to our enemies, I am amazed that there are still citizens out there willing to buy into it. If any country has resembled Nazi Germany lately it has been the United States, with our relentless bombing of civilian targets, our suspension of civil-liberties domestically and outrageous human rights violations against foreign nationals (who have nothing whatsoever to do with any terrorists), not to mention our use of torture which violates the Geneva conventions. And we are supposed to believe this has made us safer? Has anyone noticed the global metastasis of terrorist organizations, fueled in part by massive numbers of new recruits who actually do believe that America is now the ‘evil-empire’. Under George W. Bush, I think we have been.
The comparison of Obama with John F. Kennedy is entirely apt. Kennedy’s patient diplomacy under extreme pressure during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 prevented a nuclear war, even when all his military advisers were recommending a retaliatory strike at Cuba which would almost certainly have led to direct conflict with the Soviet Union (aka: a nuclear war). Not only do I feel more secure with a President who has Obama’s temperament, I absolutely don’t want a hot-head like Hillary Clinton answering the phone at 3am if it happens to ring. If by chance she does end up being elected President, let’s just hope the Red-phone is on Bill’s side of the bed (or in Bill’s bedroom, as the case may be.)

Did it ever occurred to any of you who are CLEARLY so much smarter than Senator Obama when it comes to foreign policy to run for office? Oh, so you’re smart about foreign policy, but not smart enough to run for President? Or could it be you don’t have a clue how the Office of the President functions? So Let me tell you, he doesn’t have to make his own coffee and he has access to hundreds even thousands of experts on virtually every subject and he gets to make the hard decisions …. by the way read the article on Obama writing about Obama. That will provide you some insight. We have a gifted highly intelligent person running for office and since that has to be a shock to the system of anyone who has lived through the past eight years of the White House inhabitants…we understand your skepticism…but gosh not only can this guy spell, among other things,he has written two book and taught Constitutional Law. Somebody smart in the White House? I know it will take a lot of getting used to…but we can do it. Obama “08 For sore losers I think Huckabee has a website

Anyone in American society willing to pick up a book and read anymore? How about a history book, or get off your fat rear and Google some history?
We’ve had to endure seven years of lies and corruption, endless war and wingnut reality. The history books say it plainly: If your buy into the fear message, you’ll give up your rights as citizens.
Welcome to the Bush?McSame world. Want four more years of Karl Rove “Twilight Zone”?

Conduct talks with governments that are recognized by the UN. Conduct well-planned peace talks with any recognized government when it is prudent. NEVER conduct talks with terrorists. They are NOT a country nor recognized by the UN. Therein lies the difference, folks.

Eric: The 911 terrorists were primarily Saudis. Most of them were then camping out in Afghanistan and the Pakistan NW Frontier and not anywhere near Iraq. Bush is asking for more oil from the Saudis not threatening war with them. Anybody who had truly read up before supporting the Iraq war would have learned a basic Mid-East religious fundamental as in Sunni and Shia hatreds and non-Muslims moving into their lands. Saddam Hussein was a Sunni and yes, a monster. He shared power with nobody. Now he is dead. The 80% Iraqi Shias are making friends with their Iranian co-religionists while we are bogged down. They are not falling into our arms with gratitude. Now half of the newly elected Kuwaiti Parliament has been taken over by Islamists. I fully supported the Afghan War but was one of the paltry 20% labeled as traitors for my protests against going into Iraq. History shows that opening two war fronts is often a disaster. We, America, need less emotional responses but instead a brutally cold and hard calculating eye when dealing with the Mid-East. They have a trait few Westerners seem to have – long-term patience by the leaders and plotters and planners. I gloomingly suspect some are already planning to test the new Administration and American people with another attempted attack. Our borders and ports are still not secure, nor airports. Are Intelligence Agencies better equipped now to realize what is valuable information to be followed up after missing the ball last time? Sadly, a lot of our ‘friends’ are more than upset with the US for its polices over the last seven to eight years. This LOL is not going to have her vote influenced by gender, race or age and even less by fear mongering. To toss one back to Bush, Hitler used fear tactics against the Jews to rally the German people to Nazism. No point in trying it on me. I will hit the Library for books, try websites, do my research and connect the dots as to outcomes and say my piece to protect America and its troops from needless slaughter. Oil! As Leon Uris wrote in Exodus, “The Kingdom of Heaven runs on righteousness, but the Kingdom of Earth runs on oil” or words to that effect. Now to go snarl at a gas pump since I have to fill up! Tony1118: The USSR no longer exists. Iran and Russia are closely linked in numerous ways. Russia is far from predictable with the KGB trained Putin still pulling the strings and wanting to restore its power – and Russia has billions in gas and oil revenues to spend instead of crippling debt to deal with. Yes, their military arsenal is currently decrepit, but their nukes and technology are not. Russia even without its satellite countries is still massive with lots of untapped natural resources. I am keeping my eye on them too! Putin has been doing some sabre rattling at times.

Hey people, when you are making A critical comment, how about quoting the candidate directly instead of regurgitating the spin of some pundit or party operative. For example, did Sen. Obama ever actually say he wanted to hold hands with Iranian leaders and sing Kumbaya? Don’t you realize you been brainwashed when you just repeat things you have heard on TV? Did Obama ever say he wanted to circumvent diplomatic channels in talking to our enemies? If he did, provide the quote and let’s debate that. If you are going to just spew propaganda you have heard some pundit on TV say, that’s “pathetic”.

Obama is not the problem!
Problem are stupid Americans that think America is The World!
This forum shows ample evidence of our stupidity. We are the laughing stock of the world! They wonder how can nation of 300 million people elect such idiots like G. W. Bush and now have a candidate such as John McCain winning republican nomination and possibly the presidency. Both Clinton and Obama stand as giants next to likes of GW and Keating John. The only reason John McCain wants to become president is because his father was a Navy Admiral and he must top it. If GW and Keating John were true patriots and intelligent human beings, they would recognize their limitations and run for a village mayor’s office instead.
I feel ashamed when I see on national TV that bumbling idiot we call our president.
I live in an unusually stupid country!
We are not worthy of this land!

ABC: China uses the pinyin system; you should too. It’s not Mao Tse-tung anymore. It’s Mao Zedong. FYI.

I agree with Observer. Well mostly everything. America needs to realize that we are not the beacon of perfection and justice we think it is.
WE TORTURE PEOPLE AND INVADE COUNTRIES. WE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN OUR ENEMIES.
What are we saying as a people? Its pathetic really.

Maria, do not presume to knock the older Americans in this country. They are part of the “Greatest Generation” that ever lived. Those folks who lived during and beyond WW2 have a work ethic and integrity that the majority of today’s youth will never come close to understanding. For that matter, neither will your spoiled generation of “me first.” As for making this nation what it is, you’re darn right they did. We are free today because of their sacrifice. So as an older, much more mature woman, I say go back to your text messaging and iPod. That’s your legacy and a pitiful one it is.

JFK is not the best example on foreign policy for Obama to use. Kennedy was a disaster in foreign affairs. Does Obama want Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, Cuban missile crisis, Turkey……….. The international community saw JFK as a wimp and disaster. Some in American media try to rewrite the JFK history, but it stands very clear as a disaster for the country. Is this what Obama is proposing?

Virginia
Obama’s pathetic knowledge of past talks between nations, is truly frightening. Kennedy and Reagan OPENED TALKS WITH nations thru proper channels, NOT MERELY TALKS AT, WITHOUT CERTAINTY THAT THERE WAS AN AGENDA AND A BASIS FOR DISCUSSION.
…………….
If ignorance was a disease, you’d be dead.

If we dont talk to our enemies,our “friends” the Chinese will talk to them. I see some commentators here look at America as of now, but we need to think of America of tomorrow if we really love America.The McCains are driving America to a dead end, just like the Romans did to there empire. All we need now is to stop being ignorant and place our selves on top of the global platform. Those who have sense know what I mean.

Robin,in New Hampshire “The president who pointed to the moon as our new frontier” that Obama referred to in his concession speech(The famous “Yes we can!”) was indeed JFK and no Kennedy was ill and no emotion was exploited…Stop seeing what isn’t there!

Reagan never sat down with terrorists? Hmmm, didn’t he arm the contras? What were they? Hmmm, didn’t he sell weapons to Iran (to arm the contras). I guess Iran wasn’t our enemy then (even though they had attacked our embassy just before his presidency). Hmmm, didn’t he arm the mujahaddin in Afghanistan (now known as the Taliban)? Why do I bother? Its pointless talking to people who have their heads up Fox News.

Virginia
“Obama’s pathetic knowledge of past talks between nations, is truly frightening. Kennedy and Reagan OPENED TALKS WITH nations thru proper channels, NOT MERELY TALKS AT, WITHOUT CERTAINTY THAT THERE WAS AN AGENDA AND A BASIS FOR DISCUSSION. Wild accusations are equally dangerous, and foment even more distrust. Who is advising Obama, and what are their credentials? I speak as someone who studied International Relations on the graduate level at Tufts University!!!”
Well I never studied international relations and I think you are full of crap. How is the situation between the US and Iran now, and the US and Russia/China in the past so substantively different as to not just preclude diplomacy, but to actually make it “frightening” and “dangerous”? You may not like Achmedinejad or Khameini but they are the legitimate government of that country, and there is nothing “improper” about talking to them. The US and Iran share so many common interests in the area, both economic and political, that it is absurd to even suggest there is no basis for discussion. To top it all off, the only ones making wild accusations and fomenting distrust are those who are saying war is the only solution. It is a valid question to ask who is advising Obama, McCain apparently is being advised by every lobbyist for foreign dictators and arms dealers that he can fit in his rolodex.
I guess my fundamental thesis is that not only are you stupid on every level, but you can barely compose a sentence. You did not study international relations. You cannot possibly have gone to graduate school.

People look at the names of these anti Obama commenters. These are paid blog commenters. Debbie, Melanie, Jo,Tommy, Rob, Jim, Jeff, Mike, Randy, Janette, Shawna, Donna,Susan, Sue, Debrah, Ashley, John, Frank, Todd. Pick a bland American sounding given name, and then post some quickly thought up blather designed to smear, Call yourself a Democrat and threaten to vote for McCain. This is pure viscious disinformation and propaganda at its worst.
Read most of these posts and they sound like they are coming from the same person or written off a formula sheet.
Judging from the choice of names and spelling I could guess at which country recruited or is paying them.

You know what would actually be interesting? If you people took the time to actually read and think about the facts and what these candidates were saying instead of bringing your pre-packaged Wal-Mart mentalities to these discussions. People who embrace the idea that might is right in the modern world we live in deserve to lose their liberties, livelihood and children to the bloodshed their ignorance perptuates. None of you are any better than the Islamic fundamentalist suicide bomber who has been duped into blowing him or herself up for their beliefs. Anyhow, if there was a god, that god would tell you that you can’t bomb the world into peace. All of it is up to us.

Effective communication is a basic and essential key to the betterment of any relationship, even if that relationship is with an enemy.
Why are so many of you so afraid of talking to those that don’t like you. Many of you seem to be PROGRAMED to attack first without even thinking about engaging in talks in an attempt to solve a problem before blood is shed. Al of you are complaining about Obama wanting to talk things out. My question to you all is how many of you have held a dying soldier in your arms and wondered if things could have been different if our elected officials had taken the time to talk before statring this blunder of a war that I am serving our country in iraq in right now. I would really like for one of you intelligent individuals to answer this question for me….
if you had a son or daughter serving PROUDLY in the military, would you want a President who is open to talking to our enemies and trying to work out differences before resorting to combat….OR…… woud you rather have a President who places your child in harms way immediately without taking the opportunity to open channels to commnicate EFFECTIVELY with our enemies.
As i sit her in Iraq and read some of these blogs it makes me ashamed to be fighting for your rights to spew such closed minded hatred toward each other.
Communication is key to any relationship even if that relationship envolves your enemy.

Afriad to communicate! maybe that is the problem that we continue to pass on to our children. Son/Daughter is bad to communicate with those that don’t share your views. Ignore those that don’t disagree with you. Fight them without trying to figure out why they dislike you. Kill them without taking the chance to understand if there is a possibility that the two of you can meet on common ground. Kill Kill Kill (DON’T COMMUNICATE) (DON’T TALK)
Maybe that’s why our children are losing their minds today and shooting each other up in schools. Maybe because we as adults are teaching them that the only acceptible form of communication is violence.
Effective COMMUNICATIONS is important in every relationship. even if that relationship involves an enemy.
Stop being afraid to talk. Even if you sit down and talk to someone doesn’t mean that you have to give them anything. it just means that you gave it a chance. If things don’t work out them we still reserve the option to fight and protect/defend ourselves.
So, I would think that it is only HUMANE and shows good LEADERSHIP to sit down and talk first before one resorts to killing.

A wise man once said “Insanity is doing the same thin expecting a different result”. That man was Albert Einstein. Listen i am not from the school of 1 track mindedness. I believe we should use all of our assets military and negotiative diplomacy. Bush tried it his way and he got it wrong, wrong wrong!!! Again, the facts are indisputable. You cant argue the significance of Iran’s powere through Bush’s horrible foreign diplomacy. That’s tangible because we have seen this practice put into play and it doesnt work. It is time to try a different approach. I read something earlier about the inevitability of other nations acquiring nuclear technology and we should just accept that as their right. I respectfull disagree because nuclear weapons in the wrong hands threatens our existance. That is not an option and Obama doesnt feel its an option either. He simply has a different view than John Wayne Bush. His view isnt a radical one and it isnt a great idea he came up with . It is a view that was shared by many good presidents that has been celebrated through American history. It appears that we want to rewite history. Everyone is so worried about lining up with the current Repub ideas or Demo ideas so u can fall in line with the party. The fact of the matter is, is there is no silver bullet in foreign policy. There is no one size fit all strategy in foreign policy. Anyone narrow minded enough to believe u can continue on the same path without progress is a fool. I am not married to 1 particular idea or strategy. I am a thinkin man and I know u must be forever changing and growing to address issues we face in the 21st century. It is crazy to suggest we do things 1 way.

Americans have been so duped that the world is watching in absolute shock. It is un-fathomable to think that there is this major ‘debate’ as to whether there should be talks which could lead toward more peaceful conditions in our world. You can’t even set pre-conditions unless you talk to the adversaries to tell them what the pre-conditions are! HELLO !!!!! Anyone against talks are lost sheep…..and dangerous for America !

LadyAtty
“Conduct talks with governments that are recognized by the UN. Conduct well-planned peace talks with any recognized government when it is prudent. NEVER conduct talks with terrorists. They are NOT a country nor recognized by the UN. Therein lies the difference, folks.”
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This is just so completely wrong that it is ridiculous. Iran IS a country. Iran IS recognized by the UN. In fact Achmedinejad was elected DEMOCRATICALLY in an election monitored and certified by the United Nations. That is more than can be said for Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. It is diffficult for foreigners to be sympathetic to Americans when so many of you wish to flaunt your willful ignorance.

PGHPAVOTER :
There are things out there called books, and a simple skill called research that would do wonders for you if you want to actually be though tof as relevant to the discussions at hand. I have been reading your posts and see STRAIGHT THROUGH your garbage. Thank God that WV,KY and PA – yes PA where you’re from – does not represent the majority of the US. FYI, racism, sexim nor ignorace is an admirable trait, and you seem to be a blend of the three,I pity you. It appears from your posts, that you cant help it, but lets see if I can share something with you about your undercover fetish for Muslims as it relates to the Presidency.
If you were an actual patriot with any real concern for the country, and your head did more than just sport a hairstlyle you would have known that Article VI of the Constitution clearly states “The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
If you werent too busy being mezmerized with Islam and Muslims, Bush, McCain, Clintons, Obama, and all that stupid nonsense that passes as relevance you would have noticed this.
I am sick of these bigotries masquerading as credible information on which to determine who runs this country. This is how we ended up with this Iraq mess we are in now. If you really are as concerned about the future of this country and not just having a forum to spew empty-headed talking points you heard on MSM or borrowed from some idiot claiming to have knowledge, here is a clue – do some research before yapping. Better to be quiet and be thought a fool than open your trap and be proven to be one.

You guys all sound like a bunch of children.

Thank-you Tom in MA and Nicolas De Vins. We have several other voices of reason here. Yet, many seem extremely perplexed by why our future President would want to talk with our enemies? I just have one question that might focus all this argument. What other choice would you advise? We, obviously, can’t use a military solution for every disagreement. We can’t even use international sanctions without discussing. As I used to say to my children and students, it is not fair to hold something against someone else without them getting a chance to redeem themselves and/or explain themselves. They just might have legitimate reasons unbeknownst to us! OR they may have CRAZY reasoning, but we need to know that too, in order to know what we are dealing with. Senator Obama said his discussions would NOT be without preparations and as many mentioned here talks don’t mean appeasement. Chamberlain had talks but made the wrong judgment about Hitler’s character. Churchill would never had made that mistake!

What’s really sad is….
**** We have brave young men and women who have enough courage to face the possibility of bing killed in Iraq right now (I know because I have lead some of them and witnessed their courage) yet many of you are sitting safe at home and afraid to talk to our enemies before you place these young men in women in the situation to give their lives honorably defending your rights.

Obama does seem to have the perfect opening, now that Bush fils is railing against everyone who ever suggested negotiating with terrorists or radicals in the Middle East to make a devastating point: “uh, you mean like your dad?” It was under the auspices of Bush pere that the Israelis and PLO started negotiating, at the Madrid conference, with the help of his secretary of state, James Baker, who recently wrote in the Iraq Study Group report that negotiating with enemies in the Middle East is crucial to putting U.S. foreign policy back on track:
“Dealing with Iran and Syria is controversial. Nevertheless, it is our view that in diplomacy, a nation can and should engage its adversaries and enemies to try to resolve conflicts and differences consistent with its own interests. Accordingly, the [U.S. and Iraq] should actively engage Iran and Syria in its diplomatic dialogue, without preconditions.
… There must be a renewed and sustained commitment by the United States to a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace on all fronts: Lebanon, Syria, and President Bush’s June 2002 commitment to a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine. This commitment must include direct talks with, by, and between Israel, Lebanon, Palestinians (those who accept Israel’s right to exist), and particularly Syria …
The only lasting and secure peace will be a negotiated peace such as Israel has achieved with Egypt and Jordan.”

You’re the only one claiming he is the Messiah.

…..and your punctuation sucks….

To those of you say Obama should not speak to our enemies because all he wants to do is hold hands and serve them tea, PLEASE grow up or show me the documentation where Obama makes those claims.
You’re clearly obsessed with this republican narrative that Obama is trying to play the part of a guidance counselor with Iran and others.
If you read and listen to what he says, he talks about “tough” diplomacy BUT diplomacy none the less. That is something has been lacking for some time. Take your blinders off for once and open your eyes.

All you folks being so critical of Obama attempts to talke to IRAN and the other foreign coutries are just scared he will be able to bring piece like we once had…Oh no!! not a Black man…this cannot be….

Obama is not naive to think that just talking is the key but it has been effective in the past with other administrations so why couldn’t it be with his? Do you people want another military conflict? We have lost too many american lives already. If diplomatic talks is an option to avoid war and other conflicts then why not try it? McCain is on record as supporting Powell with talking to Syria when Gingrich was against it. This administration is talking with Iran, is currently sending food to North Korea in a diplomatic attempt to foster a better relationship, and Bush sent Biden to Lybia. My point is this Virgina and Melanie, Obama is not suggesting some dangerous idea. His talks with these nations is understood to include lower level diplomacy before he actually meets with them. He is also not trying to be Kennedy or Regan or Nixon, he admired their stance on talking to the enemies of this nation. Look, if you are looking for a reason not to vote for this man then just don’t. Vote for McCain who has lied and flip/flopped all over the place. The republican party has not been a party of all people just a select few. I was an African american republican out of tradition from my parents but I have switched to the democrats because the republican party in my eyes has not done enough to reach out beyond political party lines or race. We need change. This administration has had 8 years to get things right and they have not. Yes, terrorism is real but so is my mortgage payment, gas bill, grocery bill, college tuition. There has to be balance not just war, war, war.

One need only read the posts of the Virginias, Melanies, Debbies, therockofages,the Robins and the Norms today to realize just many sick and bitter people there are in this country. And let’s not forget a good measure of racism as well.

McCain WILL BE 72 YEARS OLD THIS SUMMER , HE HAS A BAD TEMPER AND HE HAS MAJOR HEALTH ISSUES. HE IS TOO OLD TO TRAVEL AROUND ALL OVER THE WORLD.
EVEN OLD PEOPLE SAY HE IS TOO OLD TO BE THE PRESIDENT. ELECTING HIM WOULD WEAKEN US IN THE EYES OF OUR ENEMIES.
HE CLAIMS HE IS NOT TIED TO SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS BUT HIS STAFF IS, ALL OF THEM ARE QUITING OR GETTING FIRED. VERY INTERESTING. IS THIS HOW HE WOULD RUN THE WHITE HOUSE????
OBAMA 08

I think that perhaps the reason that we do not want to talk to our ideological adversaries , must be psychological in nature .
It remind me of the child who refuses to eat a new food , claiming not to like it , despite the fact that he never ate it before .
We should have someone like Dr Phil as the president’s adviser .
Perhaps we should expand our intellectual horizon and ask ourselves : ” What would Canadians or Mexicans or a….(feel in the blank) , will do , if they were in our shoes ? “

Some of these racist whites pretend they are not voting for Obama because he is too young or evil-not all but some. They probably haven’t listened to a word he has said. I think it is their just deserts that they will have to pick Mccain over him. These people think we still living in a white world–Were the west had the ultimate influence. So does Bush, that is why our foreign policy is self destructive.

I guess all the Bushies out there would like it better if Senator Obama just gave the Iranians US weapons the way Reagan did.
“IRAN CONTRA”…say it with me…”IRAN CONTRA!”

It is time for us to shed that “old post-1945 American way of thinking” and begin to become a “New American” in a New America of the twenty-first century.
We should start to think fresh in global terms , not in the same old parochial way we have been doing until now .

McSame, both of them should fear direct talks. Evil leaders can sense weakness so they should get them to agree to all conditions first so they do not screw up the negotiations. Then they can go over there once more capible people do the actual negotiations, and rubber stamp the whole thing. When you have a strong leader like Obama there is no need to fear negotiating with Iran or Korea. They will sense his strength and show him the respect they would not show a Bush or a McCain.

How can Obama be the “change” candidate when most of the major political figures in the democratic party, are behind him? I think that with how vindictive the clintons are, after everybody so easily turned their backs on them, they will bring about the most change. Besides, I have heard obama speak twice, less than a week after he announced he was running and right before the nevada caucus. Abosolutely nothing was said in either speech. Just like in 2006 when the Democrats promised everybody that if we voted for them all of these “changes” would happen. Well, the Iraq war is now their war, since they promised to get out of it, and they have not. John McCain in 2008.

The republican way is going the way of Ford Pintos, Taco Vivas, butterfly collars, and RC Cola.
Has been’s.
A new America is ready. We are ready to emerge out of our Dark Ages.
Obama and Ameirca going forward.
Yes We Can.

How can the Republicans basically f@#$ up stuff almost to the point of no return and then ask for another McSame chance? Do they have no shame? How do you go from a surplus to an almost 10 trillion dollar deficit in just one Presidency? That’s more then all the other Presidents combined! If I screwed up that bad I would just sent in a corner and hope no one noticed me.

I don’t think Senator Obama would just go talk with them without conditions. Him not stating this doesn’t mean that there wouldn’t be conditions. Of course there would be. Surely you all aren’t that stupid (are you). We need to talk to our enemies. This country and world needs diplomacy from the U.S. Now maybe you don’t like Obama, that’s okay but surely you can’t like what’s been happening for the past eight years. I would vote for my dog before I’d vote for Bush/McSame. Obama will surround himself with experienced cabinet members. And he has more experience than you think. Read his book. It sheds a lot of light into what we don’t know about him. Peace.

Hussein Obama is not yet nominated, and he is not electable.

I hope that the president of the United States use every means of diplomacy before he decides to send our men and women into harms way. It’s never the child of the President who goes to war, so when the President sends our troops into war treat those soldiers as though their your family members.

Yes. I am the only one that claims. Obama is the Messiah. All the problems of America will be solved. The problems of: the immigration, the issue of the race, the issue of the Hispanics, the issue of the blacks, the issue of the Asians, the decrease of the white man in America, the economy, the hostility in the world, the status of America in the world, the crime, the health, the fall of education, the demographic suicide of the white man in America. Obama is the man. We, the white man, finally, found the salvation. Please, please hurry, we could not wait anymore.

“I think the question of the moment is: What will we have to show for 8 years of Obama foreign policy?”
Posted by: Tom in MA | May 17, 2008 7:39:22 PM
Has to be better than the last 8 years, Tom…

“Seeing the way the Obama’ supporters attack everyone is sad”
What, like calling black people “nigs”?
Yeah, that is sad
Oh wait, those weren’t Obama supporters?
I think someone has their blinders on, probably on purpose.

“I and many other reasonable Americans will vote for the best candidate in November—irregardless of Party Affiliations, race, gender, age, etc.”
Long as he’s an old white guy who wants to blow the middle east to kingdom come, no matter what?

Gas $4 a gl and rising, Tuition skyrocketing, mortgage crisis, health crisis, America now lost the trust and admiration by most of the world etc etc etc…
We Can Change
YES WE CAN!!

I’ve read thru almost all of the previous comments, and I have to say, WORST THREAD EVER!!
My fear now is that I may never be able to recover the ten or so IQ points I lost just thru osmosing all the crap.
For starters: Kenya is NOT BLACK!
And it’s obvious that a lot of the negative, “I will vote for MCCain if Hillary isn’t the nominee” folks are just full of it. I don’t think any of you are even remotely Hillary supporters.
UGH! I just hope I can wash off the slime from this thread!
If you aren’t, then hope you still have your house, a job and your military aged children with you after John McCain’s 4 years is up.

I am sick and tired of Bush. The only reason he said those remarks was to stir up controversy and get attention. Lately, no one has paid GWB any attention. All attention is on the candidates. Bringing our campaign criticisms to a foreign nation was just plain dangerous. It does not show us as being united. If anyone is making us look weak it’s GWB. This is the kind of presidency that McCain votes with and stands behind. Senator Obama will bring legitimacy once again to the Presidency.

I think Democrats must come together to save the nation from McSame. Why would you put someone in the Presidency that is likely to appoint judges that could overturn Roe v.s Wade?
What about someone that could roll back gains for women? If you look at the Republican ticket there is a lack of powerful women. There has never been a female Republican House Speaker. So women and those men who believe in the causes of women better think twice before voting for McBush.
I would bet cash money that McSame is not going to put a woman,black, asian, or anyone of a darker complexion on the VP ticket. If you think he will put Condi Rice on that ticket you have lost all common sense.
I know she said she is not interested in the job but there was some talk she was interested at one time. I bet what happened is someone sat her down and told her this is not the Democratic party we do not put N’s on the VP slot. You starting to get to big for your pants lady, you better be happy for the scraps Bush threw you.

For those of you who will not vote for Obama based on what you believe to be valid reasons, visit the link below.
Sign the petition today and forward to whomever you can.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Dems_Who_Will_Not_Vote_For_Obama/index.html

I will not vote for someone who played the race card and labeled the Clinton’s as racists.
I will not vote for someone who played the dirtiest of dirty politics to get elected…TWICE! Read it here
http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2008/02/lets_do_it_agai.html

I cannot believe the comments coming from the right wing nuts. So Obama is wrong for wanting to talk to Iran. That means Secretary Rice is wrong, Defense secretary Gates is wrong, Colin Powel is wrong, Jim Baker is wrong etc etc…Right wing nuts please, you have nothing to be proud of from the past 7 years of the worst president this country has every had, so the only way you think you can win is to attack someone for common sense…Ask yourself republicans and those sitting on the fence about the Democrats, ARE YOU BETTER OFF TODAY THAN YOU WERE 7 YEARS AGO? Gas was $1.50 per gallon, food cost was low, dollar was strong, we had a surplus, housing was strong, poverty was low, job market was strong, people were confident about the direction of the country, the world had much respect for the USA, no war’s, health care was not the best but was much more affordable than today, the list is too long…..Think about it and use common sense instead of disagreeing just because someone is a democrat and have a different point of view on how we should get out of the mess BUSH and the REPUBLICAN congress got us into. Here is something to ponder, 3 special elections all LOST for the GOP..Change is coming don’t fight it or you will be left behind.

Bush’s foreign policy has been a complete disaster, and now we have a McCain who wants to continue the cowboy policies that have delivered us into a postion where we are despised around the world, and wield no influence whatsoever. Repubs had 8 years and have nearly destroyed this nation…like hell I’m going to give them another 4 so that they can finish the job.

Some people here just do not get it.
Obama said not long ago, that he would meet with known terrorist leaders, without conditions. He has since revised this because he thought, hey, that didn’t sound so good.
What he said recently in response to McCain, is the SAME policy that is currently in place!
The US will meet with rogue leaders, if certain conditions are met. The reason why we have not been able to hold talks with such leaders, is because they have not agreed to those conditions.
We currently have low level diplomats who are working behind the scenes.
How is this any different than what Obama would do? Except for the fact that he DID say he would not require any conditions…what a naive and inexperienced “leader”.
End of story

oboma is another gore/kerry, no race issue here he’s just another democrate… say what what you want to hear,no substance and a fast talker with a nice smile.

Some people here just do not get it.
Obama said not long ago, that he would meet with known terrorist leaders, without conditions. He has since revised this because he thought, hey, that didn’t sound so good.
What he said recently in response to McCain, is the SAME policy that is currently in place!
The US will meet with rogue leaders, if certain conditions are met. The reason why we have not been able to hold talks with such leaders, is because they have not agreed to those conditions.
We currently have low level diplomats who are working behind the scenes.
How is this any different than what Obama would do? Except for the fact that he DID say he would not require any conditions…what a naive and inexperienced “leader”.
End of story

The venom shown here by those who profess to be Hillary Clinton supporters is truly troubling. It is my fervent hope and wish that these are really Republicans trying to create problems for the Democrats,, or even better that they all part of an organized Republican hit squad.
If I am wrong and these are really supporters of Hillary Clinton behaving in this manner then the Democratic party is in big trouble and worse than that this nation is in serious trouble.
I say this because much of what has been posted by my fellow Hillary supporters is just absolute bunkum and balderdash. One poster for example post that while Obama will need the Hillary supporters to win, Hillary will not need the Obama supporters to win. I really would suggest that that lady get off the pie and face facts. No Democrat can win if 92% of the black voters nationwide vote Republican or stay home. This reality has nothing to do with whether we like it or not. It is very simply a fact. It is a further fact that Hillary Clinton cannot win her Senate seat in my home state of NY if the black people in Downstate stay home. Another fact is that for every dirty trick we accuse Obama of against Hillary a similar one or better was used against him. That also is not about my opinion it is a fact.
I have supported Mrs Clinton through this campaign and I again say that her lost is more due to the over confidence of her staff early in this campaign.
When the Democrats have finally decided I will support the candidate who comes forward.
Simply put it makes absolutely no sense for me to cut off my nose and spoil my face just because my candidate was beaten fairly and squarely.
I do hope that none of you who are now speaking about voting for McCain out of spite find yourself having to regret that vote, but my suspicion is that some of you will if you go through with that, spiteful, childish conduct. Just remember that Healthcare, tax relief, war or peace, and much, much more depends on that decision.
An additionally word to the wise. Do not waste your time cussing me out here

The republicans are unable to understand why their past winning argument of fear is not working. Perhaps some people are tired of the same story different year. This current administration has been a total failure.
Also it does not surprise me that a lot of the female Hilary supporters post the rudest comments. Women are pity and catty by nature so it with the ovaries.

I just want to know how many of the 9’11 guys wer either iraqi and iranians. I think we are found scape goat for saudi arabia and that was sandam husein.Yet after 9’11 the only plain that wasa allowed to live the united state was one carrying the saudi royals. If you have raised kids in your life you will know that sometimes your best option to a bad kid is to talk to them and let them know the consequences of their action. Thats what we should do with Iran. I that way they know the consequencies of their actions without we appearing as bullies.

Let’s talk about Patriotism for a second
John McCain was known as “Songbird McCain” in the POW camps,by the Viet Cong AND the other POWs.
According to his Autobiography, He told the enemy more than he was suppose to BEFORE any torture.
And why did he block Any and All legislation aimed at finding any remaining POWs after the war ?
Did They Know Too Much that could damage his career ?

After reading the postings I can conclude that those that proclaim themselves as republicans have no clue really about politics. They kept saying that Obama is a danger to American foreign policy and should not be elected.
Yet are country is on the brink of another war with Iran. And all that Bush can do is talk about firing salvos at the Obama?
This is presidential race is a race issue. I’m not voting for the spoiled and stupid white man who serve rich oil corporations and auto industry. They have done nothing good for us these last 8 years and our economy is worst than it was before. Yet all they can do is talk about Obama negatively.
The republican party is a bunch fools. People need to wake up and see for themselves that another 4 years of republican leadership will only worsen our country further.

TRUTH HURTS:
You’ve got it wrong!
The fact is the Democrat Party owns
the KKK! They still have a Senator,
Robert C Byrd of West Virginia who
is a “former” KKK member!
In the 1960′s the southern governors
rubber hosing and suppressing blacks
were named George Wallace and Lestor Maddox and they were Democrats!
Those are facts unlike your BS rant
against republicans!
The Republican Party is the Party of
Abraham Lincoln and the Democrat Party
is the Party of the KKK!

You guys wouldn’t object to intelligence gathering would you? Don’t you think that personal knowledge of leaders, both terrorist and of rogue countries, wouldn’t give our leadership a clue about how they think and what they might be planning in the future? You can tell so much more in person.
Know thy enemy.
We have become so arrogant I don’t recognize this country any more.

Psychologists tell us that when children physically attack other children it is attibutable to their inability to talk and iron out their differences. Sound familiar? It should because it is a perfect definition of GW Bush and John McCain. Just as a frustrated 3 yr old child settles his differences with playmates with his fists, so does Bush and McCain. Does that mean that they lack the ability to talk and straighten out differences? Probably.
If all of our global leaders had the same attitude, no doubt, the earth would be nothing more than fragments of itself floating in outer space.

Why is there so much hate for Obama. As some of the news analyst have stated all our lives we have been taught to use our words and discuss out differences, but Bush came along and decided to bully the world. It is sad that we can not stick to the issues. Kennedy and Reagan had to nogetiate that is how things get done. Remember the world is watching, if the US wants to implement policies on other nations, we have to stop smearing hate about its own over the internet. Please stop the hate.

Poster “Sam” tells us that Roosevelt did not talk with our enemies before he declared war on Japan. Hmmm, Sam, our Navy had been attacked um-a, like Pearl Harbor. Does Sam really think that FDR would have used diplomacy AFTER we were attacked in Pearl Harbor? Same goes for Korea … the North invaded the South … emphasis on the word invaded. These were acts of war Sammy. There’s no room for talk after a nation commits an act of war. You are comparing apples and oranges in your post. Who is this Kelly person who you quote. I’d really like to know as this person also needs to see the comparisons hold no water.

Oh my goodness Reaganfan, Byrd endorsed Obama? Most democrats have done the same. Monday, Warren Buffett endorsed Obama too.

Who is John McCain,son and grandson of admirals,does that make him a leader? Navy pilot,shot down over North Vietnam, spent 5 1/2 years being brainwashed and tortured by his captors,can he be trusted to lead the country? Senator from Arizona,was involved in the Keating savings and loan scandal which cost the American tax payers 2.5 billion dollars,accepted gifts and gratuites from Keating, vacationed at Keatings’ vacation home in the Bahamas, Who is McCain trying to fool, who made him a hero ,wasn’t it the left wing media? Can we really trust McCain to lead ?And to where?You might put a pretty face on it but it’s the same old failed conservative policy.