Obama Camp Looks Past DNC Meeting to November
ABC News’ Sunlen Miller Reports: On a conference call held by Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign to discuss the state of the race and Saturday’s DNC Rules and Bylaws meeting, advisers to the Illinois senator looked ahead to November using the phrase "general election" 17 times, a point highly indicative of the tone of the campaign and the mood of the conference call.
Campaign manager David Plouffe said repeatedly that they are looking forward to Saturday’s decision to close the nominating chapter and move on to the general election, "I think the attention of both the voters and the party is quickly turning towards the general election. So we’re hoping that there can be some reasonable resolution on Saturday that allows us to move now firmly to the general election."
Despite reports, Plouffe said they are "not encouraging" Obama supporters to gather in Washington, D.C. to protest Saturday’s meeting, "We are not encouraging our people to gather and protest on Saturday — obviously with the click of a mouse it would be pretty easy for us to get thousands of people there but we don’t think it’s a helpful dynamic to create chaos and, in the interest of party unity, we’re encouraging our supporters not to protest. We don’t think a scene, as we wind down the primary season here, is helpful to bringing the party together."
The campaign, as they have in the past, indicated that they would be willing to compromise on the decision to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations beyond their original demand of a 50/50 split of the delegates.
The campaign repeatedly gave themselves a large pat on the back for this compromise and giving what they categorized as "concessions" on this issue in the best interest of the party, and doing it realizing they may be handing delegates over to Clinton.
"I think the Clinton campaign is out there saying ‘no compromise, only 100%’ – we’re willing to compromise and I think that’s where most of the party is." Plouffe said, "We have fought hard all throughout the country for delegates and the fact that we are willing to essentially seat her delegates we do not think is an insignificant gesture on our part."
Plouffe said the popular vote argument the Clinton campaign is making has not been effective, "We do not think the popular vote is a true metric of the race, it’s about delegates. Now that being said, we have a significant popular vote lead," Plouffe continued, "They have been making this argument for weeks, I think you can tell by the superdelegate tally how effective it is."
Plouffe concluded, "At some point we’re the nominee, and at some point and I think the folks in Florida and Michigan can speak to this, what they’re interested is to stop arguing about this and start winning general election."
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why should she compromise when she can still take it to the flooor.
Posted by: Bishop | May 28, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
This is the guy who preaches “Hope”, “Change”, “a New Kind of Politics”. Yet, the first thing, before he is nominated, that he will do is to disenfranchise the votes of FL and MI.
He is the person who voluntarily took off his name off the ballot to pander the voters in Iowa, now that he is the cry baby to whine that he did not get any vote.
Take some responsibility for once in your Bho’s adult life. The Dreams of His Father did not teach him such a thing since his father did not take any responsibility to raise his son.
Posted by: a new name | May 28, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
50/50 is not the way the people of fl. voted or MI. and lets cut the crap Obama had tv ads and rolling calls going in both states and a blog on his site on how to make sure he won in MI.if they don’t cpunt why did he do that I wonder
Posted by: Bishop | May 28, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
TAKE IT TO THE FLOOR HILLARY!!! WE WILL SUPPORT YOU!!!
Posted by: CARL | May 28, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Commander Guy,
She has every right to burn down her own house if she wants to. The Clintons were the ones who built it in the first place!
Posted by: Get Real | May 28, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Get Real – You are right. Ya can’t let the new fellow have the keys, can you?
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 28, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Commander Guy,
No you can’t. He’ll just put the house in ruin anyway.
Posted by: Get Real | May 28, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Obama shouldn’t have blocked a re-vote, this would’ve been settled by now. NO COMPROMISE, GO TO THE CONVENTION!
Posted by: CD | May 28, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
At least you are honest about it. Hillary is entitled to the House and it is HERS or Nobodies
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 28, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Hillary would beat McCain in a landslide.
Obama will lose
Anyone with any sense to them, or has not lost their mind to obama, will never vote for him and should not
He should never be president of this Great Country.
Posted by: kerry | May 28, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Why 50/50?? He knows he can’t get 50% of FL.
Can we ask 50/50 for NC?
Posted by: catleya | May 28, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
I don’t think Obama has done much to Hillary other than to give her enough rope. She then proceeded to use it to her extreme disadvantage.
Posted by: anabel | May 28, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Why Clintons are so loyal to the Democrat Party, be Independent Hillary!
Posted by: catleya | May 28, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
They are called rules people, ever heard of them? Obama played by them and is winning fairly – if you have a problem with the rules and how they are enforced you take it up with the person who sets the rules (and not the players). The person who set the rules dismissing FL & MI votes was Terry McAuliffe aka HRC’s Campaign Chairman.
Posted by: Jua | May 28, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
We are moving to the Convention, not the General Election… Obama is NOT the nominee…
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 28, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Texas, which produced a bush, has an even more intelligent design: Count the damn vote twice, and award the loser more delegates.
Posted by: Olbermn3 | May 28, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Rules that were in place WELL before your now irrelevant candidate signed up to run for office.
Seriously, do you guys even read?
Posted by: Texas Voter | May 28, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Hillary wants it all; however, the best she can legally hope for is that half of FL and MI delegates are seated or all delegates are seated with half a vote each. These numbers will be negligible in support of her continuing on. An exercise in futility!
If she gets everything she wants, that would send the signal that something is rotten in the DNC.
Hillary, the Queen of Spin and a Legend in Her Own Mind!
http://klintons.com
Posted by: Bob | May 28, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
On the floor she can get all of her delagates Obama won’t have enough until the convention cause the supers can’t vote untilthe them is the rulz’s
Posted by: Bishop | May 28, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Even if they seat Michigan and Florida he still has an insurmountable delegate lead. She’s just trying to make him look illegitimate so her supporters will sit the election out and give her another shot in 2012. Unfortunately for her, a lot of Obama supporters see through her games and will fight even harder than we fought this time to prevent her from being the nominee in 2012 if she continues to sabotage Obama.
Posted by: Laura | May 28, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Senator Clinton is destroying the party! Thanks Clinton! She cant win and she doesnt care. Stupid you! Even if she gets every single delegate in Florida and Michigan, she still cant beat him. I dont know why fellow democrats cant understand this! He is our choice….support our party or leave! I would rather lose in November, than support someone who has to steal a primary!
Posted by: really | May 28, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
Hillary,
Don’t let up. Every reigstered Democratic vote counts.
A life long Democrat (age 67), I will not accept anything but a seating of all Florida and Michigan delegates. And, further, I want only Demoocrats to decide who is my party’s nominee. Throw out the Independent and Republican votes from all states that permit them. Then, we will see who the true winner is.
Nothing less is acceptable from the DNC.
Posted by: aaalare | May 28, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
To (ncdem or whatever name you choose to use today) an all others of like mind.
Obama will be the nominee and president of the United states and you will accept it.
out….
Posted by: ItWillEndSoon | May 28, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
To the Hillary Clinton supporters! Whats more important? Winning the right way or winning at all cost? Even if you seat the delegation as is…she still cant win…she already lost. If you cant support the canditate that won fair and square…then visit the republican parties web site and sign up there!
Posted by: Really | May 28, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
To the IL voter! I support bill Clinton during his scandals and yes…I was a little upset when i supported him and he lied… but thats not what this is about. For me..the issue is money in politics. She accepts money from lobbyist and PACs and he doesnt. She voted to send our troops to iraq and he didnt. Im not trying to be mean, but I cant allow someone to suggest that the person with the most elected delegates (not super delegates) should be declared the winner?
Posted by: Really | May 28, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
A house divided should not stand.
It should be burned down. Or so says Hillary anyway.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 28, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
I am sick to death of Obama supporters accusing anyone who doesn’t vote for him of being racist. Maybe we don’t vote for him because we don’t feel he is a qualified candidate, lied to voters in his home state about serving out at least one full Senate term, sat in a hate filled church for 20 years, staged a politically motivated separation from Rev. Wright, doesn’t understand the issues at all as demonstrated in the debates,doesn’t know how many states in the union, and he is the one who has run the divisive campaign. Is actual logic too hard for you “educated” Obama supporters to understand! Grow up and quit whining, although that does seem to be common in the Obama campaign.
Posted by: IL voter | May 28, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
i’m still waiting to hear how barry’s uncle , who was a great uncle, helped save the jews, while he was in the navy…
when it was the army who opened up Buldenwald (not auswitz,barry)
Posted by: trettine | May 28, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Ever so farsighted, the Obama camp can “look past the DNC meeting” all the way to a titanic thumping by McCain in November.
Over 17 Million Hillary supporters will make sure Obama and his anti-American, “whitey” bashing wife never step inside the oval office.
Barry will lose in the G.E.
Even if he visits all “57 states” again, rallies all those long dead “fallen soldiers” that he saw “in the audience” on Memorial Day, or invites Iran’s Mahmud Ahmadinejad to campaign with him, he’ll still lose.
Posted by: Emily | May 28, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Hillary will win this nomination – if they allow her to move the goalpost.
If you are a sports person, think if this is fair.
To the clintonites who want to allow Hillary to get her way on Michigan and Florida, have you thought of how that is fair to the 48 states which followed and played by the rules?
It is not about Obama. I think the DNC and the Party is looking at whether Hillary and her knitting cheerleaders are being fair to the 48 states.
Answer this one.
Posted by: Joe | May 28, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Gov. Ed Rendell said that his favored candidate Hillary Clinton probably will not win because the DNC will not be fair in Florida and that Obama is “very unlikely” to capture the Democratic nomination, and said that will mean the Democratic Party will nominate the WEAKER candidate for the fall campaign against Sen. John McCain.
James Carville, political analysis says that Hillary Clinton would make the best President, but he will stand behind the party and give his check to Obama.
Newt Gingrich past Speaker of the House says that Hillary Clinton is the better candidate but Obama has the support of the DNC.
The list goes on and on and on how everything THINKS that Hillary is better but they are going to take OBAMA!!!! WHY. Is she will do the better job then she should be President. Don’t we want the best for our country? We have to take the lesser of the two candidates because he is black? How sane is that!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Anne | May 28, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
One question for Hillary supporters:
Why was she unconcerned with the “disenfranchisement” of MI. and FL. when she thought she didn’t need them?
Posted by: godblessusa | May 28, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Texas Voter should be banned from this site for using profanities… We don’t need that… That doesn’t reflect well on the Obama supporters.
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I have seen far worse from Obama supporters. So, dont pass judgement on words you yourselves use when describing us or our candidate. Its politics people, not the next Messiah rising.
Posted by: shewill | May 28, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
I guess Ed Rendell is another Judas.
So many Judases.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 28, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
This will go to the floor go read Talk Left about the rulz’s
Posted by: Bishop | May 28, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
The DNC doesn’t want the best for America is there something wrong with that?
Gov. Ed Rendell said that his favored candidate Hillary Clinton probably will not win because the DNC will not be fair in Florida and that Obama is “very unlikely” to capture the Democratic nomination, and said that will mean the Democratic Party will nominate the WEAKER candidate for the fall campaign against Sen. John McCain.
James Carville, political analysis says that Hillary Clinton would make the best President, but he will stand behind the party and give his check to Obama.
Newt Gingrich past Speaker of the House says that Hillary Clinton is the better candidate but Obama has the support of the DNC.
The list goes on and on and on how everyone THINKS that Hillary is better but they are going to take OBAMA!!!! WHY? If she will do the better job then she should be President. We want the best for our country? We have to take the lesser of the two candidates because he is black? How sane is that!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Anne | May 28, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
What an incredible mess the democrats have made. Get used to it folks… President McCain.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | May 28, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
Hillary and her urgers-on should be ashamed of themselves. She lacks basic intergrity and would do anything, tell any lie, rescind on any agreement to fulfill her inordinate ambitions. I’ve lost every respect I previously had for this woman and her philandering husband. It’s unbelievable that only a few months ago she was all out for punishing FL and MI now that the rules have disfavoured her, she is going about as if she is Martin Luther King Jnr. Shame on her. I CAN NEVER EVER VOTE FOR HILLARY. NEVER!!!
Posted by: jeshurun | May 28, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
I really didn’t believe all the power Clinton stories and the Clinton machine existed until now. The Clintons have divided a very strong and vocal party. This reflects poorly on my understanding of democracy.
The Peter Paul case against the Clintons was also an eye opener.
Obama ’08!
Posted by: What Democracy? | May 28, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
As I peruse these posts I notice that A LOT of HATRED is being spewed by so called Hillary supporters. I guess as we get nearer the end of this ‘spirited’ campaign its to be understood. No one wants to lose, but, as in all contests, someone will.
Rules are rules. The rules were set early and agreed to by all. All the hatred in the world will not change the rules.
Please remember tho, Obama did not change the rules. He is NOT demanding that the rules be changed; despite what you may read here and elsewhere. He is not standing in the way of the DNC and their decision. He has, in fact, said he was open to compromise. Perhaps this will encourage the remaining superdelegates to endorse him. If in fact he were to cave in and give Hillary everything she demands, he is STILL winning. To do so however would be tantamount to conceding to threats and in a small way “terrorism”. No true American presidential contender should ever do that.
THINK-do we want a president who demands everything goes their way (such as Bush, and now Hillary) or is America better served by a president who ‘listens to reason’ and then makes decision based on the facts? Had Bush, McCain and Hillary done THAT, we would not be in Iraq, gas would be 2 bucks and most importantly 4000+ of America’s finest young men and women would be alive today instead of having shed their life’s blood on distant sand.
In closing- if you’re happy with conditions in America and are enjoying the ‘experience’, vote experience. If your tired of 4 dollar gas, 3 dollar milk, 2 dollar bread and the possibility of becoming homeless, just maybe its time for a CHANGE.
Have a great evening
Posted by: oldwhiteguy | May 28, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
1/2 the votes, people are worth 1/2 a person. i thought they could only be counted as 3/5 of a person. the barack wing of this party is a travesty and flies in the face of the base of the democratic party: middle class working americans – union people. if this party gets hijacked by the liberal college teens, hollywood $$$ elite, and the african americans then they will lose the general election because i like most democrats i know will be reregistering independent and writing in hillary or voting mccain. never obama.
Posted by: fred | May 28, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
Anne,
All those people you quoted just before you said that the DNC is only going to be fair to Obama because he’s black — well all those people are Hillary supporters just like you. You need some balance to offset your one-sided views. You can’t be fair without learning about both sides of an issue or reading about the other candidate.
You won’t get balance from people that think just like you. Try something else and make an informed decision. Otherwise, keep reading during working hours (from 8-5) or after 9pm. That’s when non-working class and lonely people that “cling to Clinton” and don’t understand the middle class plight tend to post here.
Obama ’08!
Posted by: Working Woman | May 28, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
please go to hillaryclinton.com because I need to pay off the bills before I exit stage left.
Posted by: Omentum | May 28, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
Barack Obama has to do this. It is a foregone conclusion that he will win the nomination. It is also a foregone conclusion that Hillary will block his progress …. he cannot stick around and watch her scorch the earth.
Rendell Carville , two of her most staunch supporters has thrown in the towel… how about her.
Obama 08
Posted by: Omentum | May 28, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Hillary supporters… really …
what does this say about her judgement.
Clearly this is not the end of her political career. But after this fatal attraction stunt she is pulling, it just might be the end. Here NY constituents are getting very agitated by her actions. Her next opponent in the senate or any other office she runs for is going to have a lot of footage to ding her on. She should do the graceful thing and save what little statesmanship she has left
Posted by: Omentum | May 28, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
Bring it to the Convention H.R. Clinton do not permit the Axelrod and his minions to win this election.
WHERE IS OBAMA?
WHY IS HE HIDING?
WHY CAN’T HE DEFEND HIMSELF AGAINST MCCAIN’S ACCUSATIONS.
IS THIS THE KIND OF LEADER WE NEED, SOMEONE WHO HIDES WHEN THE GOING GET ROUGH.
WHAT A WEAK PERSON OBAMA IS PROVING TO BE.
H.R. Clinton, President 2009-2012
Posted by: An American in Canada for David | May 28, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
Can we all please remember that Hillary SIGNED a pledge not to campaign in FL and MI? She AGREED to the rules before they affected her………
Posted by: Cheryl | May 28, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
I think oblama should keep talking. He’s hilarious. The DNC and the media shove this clown down our throats
so that we have an unelectable candidate. AGAIN.
We’re behind Hillary all the way.
Posted by: thoughtful | May 28, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
Please vote to seat the delegations of FL and MI at our Convention.
It would be unfair to punish the voters of these states for the errors of their state Party leaders or the shenanigans of Republican officeholders.
Moreover, it would be foolish and morally wrong to attempt to achieve deterrence by selectively disenfranchising our supporters in these two states when other states also violated Party rules.
Had the Rules and Bylaws Committee listened to the arguments of the Hubert H Humphrey forces in 1972, we would have been spared the McGovern debacle!
Posted by: Nathan | May 28, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
Unelectable? Try Hillary – who can’t even beat Obama, much less McCain.
Posted by: Keri | May 28, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
They better not look to January, because the Democrats in this family will not vote for him. He can try to bargain all he wants over this state…I’m sick of him. We voted for the candidates in the proportions appropriate. He will pay a big price for taking very little.
Posted by: Rise | May 28, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Working Woman
I see you are flaunting your pseudo-intellect by chastising Anne.
I suppose Anne would get a more balanced view point with your (Obamanite rhetoric) from the like of you..
Please, first of all it is very ignorant to put other people down because they do not have a higher education. That mental attitude only indicates to others what little empathy you have and thus have no right to critize anyone.
P.S. H.R. Clinton will be the next President 2009-2012
Posted by: An American in Canada for David | May 28, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
I like a forward looking Candidate.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | May 28, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
IL voter wrote:
Just a side note, I have noticed over the past few months that so many of Sen. Obama’s supporters are very mean in their comments. You can support a candidate without totally trashing the other person.
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I know exactly what you mean. Sadly, few Obama supporters demonstrate the same class and grace that Obama (usually) employs.
I mean really, forgive me for not realizing differences in political ideology make me a racist.
Posted by: None of the Above 08 | May 28, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
If The DNC Strictly Applies The Rules, Obama Will Lose
A strict interpretation of the DNC Rules that follows the reasoning of the DNC Memo circulated today would require the following results:
A. The stripping of 50% of the delegates of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Michigan.
B. The full seating of the Florida delegation.
C. Should the DNC RBC reject the safe harbor provision for Florida, then Florida would have 50% of its delegations stripped, but Barack Obama would be entitled to no delegates from Florida due to his violation of Rule 20c.1.b. .
By my math, a strict interpretation of the DNC rules would result in a net gain of 80 or 89 pledged delegates for Clinton.
Posted by: Emma | May 28, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
What would happen should Hillary decide to run as an Independent?
I mean it worked for Joe Lieberman.
Posted by: None of the Above 08 | May 28, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
Hmmm,
David Plouffe said “we’re encouraging our supporters not to protest.” Does he
threaten again that Obama followers are going to protest/riot if Obama is not the nominee?
It is obvious the party is hijacked by these liberal radicals. What would happen if Hillary said that?
Posted by: JP | May 28, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Obama’s actions for the last 20 years shows that he shares Jeremiah Wright’s radical left-wing views.
So does his wife.
Hillary should take her fight to the convention floor, because America’s future is worth fighting for.
Posted by: USmarine0331 | May 28, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Anne…you got it. We have to take the lesser of two candidates because he is black…why he will lose. Does everyone know that the caucus states Obama won are less than 1% of Democrats showing up? My lord….there is some interesting math there.
Posted by: Debra | May 28, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
oldwhiteguy…as you peruse these posts…you notice angry Hillary supporters. Funny, I’ve been perusing these sites since Feb. and I’ve noticed less and less support for Obama. Does anyone else notice? Maybe they think they have it in the bag…they don’t, or maybe people have really seen the light on his unelectability. Whatever it is, it makes me feel good and hopeful for Nov.
Posted by: Debra | May 28, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
What “actions” USmarine?
Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 28, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
basically, the dnc is sorry for the 4 centuries of oppression endured by black people in this country. superdelegates were created to choose the candidate most likely to win in the general election – that’s hillary (based on head to head polls against mccain). but the guilt of that oppression will keep the dems out of the white house for 4 more years.
i say, take it to the convention hillary. we support you. isn’t that what a convention is for anyway, to decide on a candidate, and not a coronation ceremony.
Posted by: fred | May 28, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
just what I thought….no facts USmarine, just keep spewing distortions and lies. You guys are dems, no better than republicans, or actually republicans in here pretending to be dems. Disingenuous all.
It is really sad this country was supposed to be past all these distortions and lies, the karl rove tactics, and with the state of the economy, at least paying attention to truth and not b***sh**.
But no, most continue to fall into the trap. Truly sad.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 28, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
There is nothing ABC news can do to stop Sen. Clinton from becoming President. About three years ago a well known televangelist, Perry Stone Jr., told his congregation that God spoke to him and said Sen. Clinton will be the next President. This information can be obtained from one of his published works on CD entitled “Strange Patterns of Recent American Presidents.” On track 7 of this CD, he tells us that Sen. Clinton will once again be in the White House. So give it up ABC News. And Barack, your days are numbered.
Posted by: brianerickson65 | May 28, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Hillary, Loser, Go back to NY.
Hillary get out, you lost. Loser. Done. What part do not you understand, you lost the delegate count to Obama, it is time to retire. Take it to the Floor or Roof..you lost!!
OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!
Posted by: RC | May 28, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Every vote should be counted and OBAMA stop acting like you win already you haven’t!!! Hillary Clinton will be the best choice and she will be the next president of the united states of america!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Manny | May 28, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
So Karl Rove has labeled Scott McClellan is a “LEFT WING BLOGGER”; one of Bush’s most loyal advisors!!!!
And with the FoxNoise Network (not exactly ‘Fair’ or ‘Balanced’), the propaganda media for the Republican Party labeling Rupert Murdoch as extremely ‘Left Wing’, the boundary for the right wing (or is it ‘wrong’ wing) seems to be including fewer and fewer people.
I guess the line for ‘Left Wing’ has moved more and more mainstream. By this definition, most of America is being labeled ‘liberals’. Interesting.
Posted by: Marie | May 28, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
Keith is that story on real clear politics? Because if they’ve picked it up, that is devastating.
Posted by: Jo | May 28, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
Marie, we wish you could read.
He said McClellan SOUNDS like a leftwing blogger.
Please learn to read and then maybe you won’t humiliate yourself.
Posted by: Jo | May 28, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
In 2004 when Richard Clarke’s book came out, Scott bashed him and said if he truly belived some of these things why did he not quit the administration??!!
Oh yes and he bashed tell all books and said they were out to sell books.
Uh, what say you now Mr. McClellan??!! You’re busted!!!
Lol.
Posted by: Jo | May 28, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Keith, I still can’t find the Larry Sinclair article..do you have a link?
Posted by: Jo | May 28, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Scott, actually you have no idea what you’re talking about. Real Clear Politics is just a site that combines a bunch of articles by both liberal and conservative writers that appeared in other periodicals.
Nice try though. You lose.
Posted by: Jo | May 28, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
I love explaining basic facts to liberals. It’s so rewarding.
Posted by: Jo | May 28, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Okay, Keith I just went to your link on Larry Sinclair’s blog. Sounds bad for Obama. He’s there to raise some hell and find out why the media is ignoring him. You go Larry!!
Oh and where is that video of Michelle Obama bashing “Whitey” ?? Can’t wait for that!
Posted by: Jo | May 28, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Thanks Keith. Spread the word!
Posted by: Jo | May 28, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
TAKE IT TO THE FLOOR for my daughter and daughters everywhere Hillary! Don’t let them get away with this. Obama gave up his chance to recieve any delegates and votes when he blocked the revote. I want my vote for you counted.
Posted by: rob | May 28, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
David Plouffe said “we’re encouraging our supporters not to protest.”
They (Obama supporters) should be protesting with the rest of the protesters, after all, do they not also believe that all votes should be counted or should we then not count all of the caucuses that are technically illegal, since one’s vote is suppose to be private between you and God, as they use to say..
H.R. Clinton will be the next president
Posted by: An American in Canada for David | May 28, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Walter | May 28, 2008 7:47:46 PM
We’ll unite around McCain if the DNC doesn’t count ALL of our votes. Will never vote for Obama, since your candidate blocked a revote. The last ime I looked I was a whole person, not a half.
Posted by: rob | May 28, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
McCain won’t be president, not with this godforsaken war. Bush needs to be impeached and Cheney and Rove need to go to jail for their involvement in this war. They lied to us and McCain wants to continue this lie.
Posted by: jj | May 28, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Di, how is the DNC twisting the rules. I thought Hillary was doing that. Google and you’ll find you’re answers.
Posted by: d | May 28, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
Plouffe said: “We are not encouraging our people to gather and protest on Saturday…” outside the DNC meeting in DC. Sounds like another drama similar to Tom Delay sending busloads of pages to protest the recount of the votes in Florida in 2000. Of course, they will be there, rabid and intimidating. What else? It’ll be like another caucus. The campaign of “unity…change…and hope” will show us another example of contradiction.
We’ve seen too much of such contradictions and hypocrisy. Take it to the Convention where honorable and wise people can pat themselves on the back and sing: “Happy days are here again…”. Go Dems, 2008!
Posted by: georgia | May 28, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
Americans voted twice for Bush inspite of his terrible and unnessary war.It will be tragic if Americans choose McBush for third time if they hate Obama for his color. Europe, Asia and Africa think Obama will bring respect and glory to America. Do not make mistakes third time
Posted by: nathoo | May 28, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
The winner, do you really believe in polls. They change constantly and I have never been polled. Who are they polling???
Posted by: d | May 28, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
HRC fought a good fight, but it is really over. She is losing in votes, delegates, and now superdelegates. She will lose, whether in a gracious or ugly manner.
What should HRC supporters do? Well, if they really believed in HRC’s ideals they should never vote for McCain, that’s for sure. Since Obama is very similar to her he is the logical choice. All this “i’ll never vote for Obama” talk is based on emotion rather than intellect: anyone who looks at the issues will realize that the two candidates are quite similar on almost every issue, especially when compared to McCain.
Posted by: David | May 28, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
A good compromise would be VOTE OVER or LET THE VOTES STAND. Obviously a good compromise for Obama who will get more votes out of having not competed than if he had have competed.
As to the “I’ll never vote for Obama” being emotion, not intellect, I will be so happy when all of those sad, dreary faces see that…we really meant it. So much for the insults and the elitist “we are so much better than you” attitudes.
Posted by: LonghornMama | May 28, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
No matter what the DNC decision is on May 31st, the facts are still the facts.
Hillary is the only candidate who can beat McCain in November.
Virtually every poll (Gallup Daily Tracking, Quinnipiac, Rasmussen) has her beating McCain in the key swing states: Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Obama, on the other hand, trails McCain.
By the end of the primary process, Hillary will have won more of the popular vote than any Democratic candidate in history, and she’s significantly a head of both McCain and Obama in electoral votes. In fact, in key swing states like Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, West Virginia and Arkansas, she beats McCain handily in electoral votes. Obama does not. He trails McCain by 25 points in those states. If Obama is the nominee, he’ll lose in the G.E.
Hillary’s base of support includes Latino’s Older Americans, rural voters, and women, but it isn’t relegated just to these groups. Over 17 Million people have voted for Hillary in the primaries- young and old, highly educated and less educated, urban and rural, male and female. Her supporters will never give up, and they’ll never vote for Obama. Not just emotion, not just a temporal thing, millions of Hillary’s supporters will never vote for Obama.
Posted by: Emily | May 28, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
Longhorn Mama – “As to the “I’ll never vote for Obama” being emotion, not intellect, I will be so happy when all of those sad, dreary faces see that…we really meant it.”
And then, should you succeed in handing the election to McSame, you can look forward to continued war in Iraq (and more American troops coming home in body bags), the installation of Supreme Court judges determined to overturn Roe v. Wade, the further desecration of our environment, more torture, higher gas prices, fewer jobs, sinking home values etc. etc. etc.
So happy, indeed.
Posted by: balthus | May 29, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Longhorn Mama – “As to the “I’ll never vote for Obama” being emotion, not intellect, I will be so happy when all of those sad, dreary faces see that…we really meant it.”
And then, should you succeed in handing the election to McSame, you can look forward to continued war in Iraq (and more American troops coming home in body bags), the installation of Supreme Court judges determined to overturn Roe v. Wade, the further desecration of our environment, more torture, higher gas prices, fewer jobs, sinking home values etc. etc. etc.
So happy, indeed.
Posted by: balthus | May 29, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
All the way to the CONVENTION!!!!!!
Obamabots are too much! Do they REALLY think they can win in November?! Give me a break!
They say that Obama is going to unite the country…..YET HE CAN’T UNITE HIS OWN PARTY!
Why is that, Obamabots?
Obama doesn’t want Florida & MI counted because he knows he lost!
So, keep at it Obamabots! Deny Florida and Michigan their votes and see if THOSE HILLARY SUPPORTERS come out to support your FAKE, JOKE OF A SENATOR OBAMA in November!
I won’t! It’s either Hillary or McCain!
Never Obama!
Hillary or McCain 2008!
Don’t give in Hillary…..ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION!
Posted by: joe | May 29, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am
Now he recognizes that he is going for a whipping by McCain. Serve him right!
Are you ready, people from FL and MI, West Virginia and Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Texas. Let’s kick some butts.
Posted by: John_Lai | May 29, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am
this is the situation in which this women got mad..i can hear her crying……..the basic thing is that she is still not able to see and belive that the game is over….she just cant belive how this happened……how can a person with so much negative percentage in polls, who cant even handle her campaign going in debt can think of leading the country??????
Posted by: harry | May 29, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Clinton should not get what she wants. For those who say that Obama voluntarily took his name off the Ballot (MI); so did everyone else that was running at the time. Clinton’s name was the only one on the ballet (MI) and write ins where not allowed. Besides, alot of people that would have voted did not as they were told that their vote would not count. So how is seating all the delegates fair to those people who did not vote because they were told it would not count and now are being told “should have voted; your vote is now counting”? Also, I think that Obama has the cooler head (we don’t want a hothead in the White House) his campaign is asking their supporters not to come out and protest on Saturday. People get tired of being Bullied and that is what the protesters are trying to do; Bully the committee into giving them what they want. Shame! Shame!
Posted by: Trisha | May 29, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
ARROGANCE IS IGNORANCE
Just as with his San Francisco remarks, Obama has again shown the arrogant and condescending person he is by assuming and acting as if he will be the nominee. It shows disrespect for Clinton and those who support her. Sort of like pouring gator aid on the coach in the middle of the fourth quarter of a football game. The man really is not mature enough to be president.
Posted by: Billw | May 29, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Dear American Voters,
Hon. Senator McCain and Obama, besides each having many attributes and characteristics. The critical differences in my professional, political, and personal opinion are as under:
1. Presidential “Temperament and Integrity”.
2. Little Washington “insider Versus outsider” connectedness.
3. Vision and mission for our nation future rather than past.
4. American policies first USA centric than other countries centric.
In my professional opinion one senator has it and the other does not. We need one for our Greatgrand Nation to address our all these challenges with a fresh, clean and new slate.
God Bless America. its diverse people, and our Greatgrand Nation.
Yours truly,
COL. [retd] A.M.Khajawall
Forensic psychiatrist, Las Vegas NV
Posted by: COL.[retd]A.M.Khajawall | May 29, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Marcman:
Much of Obama’s support is due to ~90% of the black population, college kids who think he’s “cool” and an idol, and other younger voters who are less knowledgeable and inexperienced. Also he won the early primaries before the baggage of his good friend the racist reverend Wright hit the news. Also the man has “charisma”, somewhat like Bill Clinton and John Kennedy, and believe it or not this sways a lot of people. Now note that Abraham Lincoln said to get lots of votes, impress the ignorant, and you have it
Posted by: Billw | May 29, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Clintonistas,
Please, get your candidate to run as an independent. The democratic party doesn’t want her as the nominee, and you are making it clear that you don’t want any part of the democratic party. Please, please do it. That would be the most instructive course of action for you to realize the measure of her influence-and the most interesting and newsworthy way for her to ruin the democratic campaign. If you and she want the dems to lose, do it with a bang. Start a new party even. Have fun. It would be a gift to the country, fun for us all.
Posted by: Gina | May 29, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm