Obama: ‘George Bush and John McCain Have a Lot to Answer For’
ABC News’ Sunlen Miller, Bret Hovell and Ed O’Keefe Report: Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Barack Obama, D-Ill, sparred in separate speeches Friday, perhaps a foreshadowing of the tone of the general election race to come.
At the annual meeting of the National Rifle Association in Louisville, Ky., the presumptive Republican nominee hit hard at Obama, calling him reckless and saying that the American people have a right to question his leadership abilities.
Watch the VIDEO HERE.
"Senator Obama made some remarks I’d like to respond to. I welcome a debate about protecting America. No issue is more important," McCain said.
"Senator Obama claimed all I had to offer was the quote ‘naïve and irresponsible’ belief that tough talk would cause Iran to give up its nuclear program. He should have known better," McCain told the pro-gun rights crowd.
McCain went on to echo the tone of the Bush speech, which criticized Obama’s remarks in a primary season debate that he would be willing to meet with world leadersr, including some with whom the US does not currently have diplomatic relations, like Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad.
"I have some news for Senator Obama," McCain began, "Talking, not even with soaring rhetoric, in unconditional meetings with the man who calls Israel a stinking corpse, and arms terrorists who kill Americans will not convince Iran to give up its nuclear program."
"It is reckless to suggest that unconditional meetings will advance our interests," McCain said, to a round of applause at the NRA conference. "You know it would be a wonderful thing if we lived in a world where we don’t have enemies. But that’s not the world we live in. And until senator Obama understands that reality, the American people have every reason to doubt whether he has the strength, judgment and determination to keep us safe."
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., fired back at President George W. Bush and presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., earlier Friday, after a dust-up over comments Bush made while speaking to the Israeli parliament Thursday.
"After almost eight years, I did not think I could be surprised by almost anything George Bush says," Obama told a crowd at a campaign event in Watertown, South Dakota, Friday, "He accused me and other Democrats of wanting to negotiate with terrorists and said we were appeasers no different than people who appeased the Nazis before World War II."
Watch Obama’s remarks HERE
Speaking before the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel’s statehood, Bush said, "Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
Watch Bush’s comments in Israel HERE
"That’s exactly the kind of appalling attack that has divided our country," Obama said Friday, going on to criticize McCain for concurring with Bush.
The presumptive Republican nominee was questioned about President Bush’s remarks and said, "Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."
"It does bring up an issue I will be discussing with the American people," McCain said, "and that is why does Barack Obama, Senator Obama want to sit down with a state sponsor of terrorism?"
"What does he want to talk about with, with [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad who said that Israel’s a stinking corpse, who said that he wants to wipe Israel off the map, who’s sending the most explosive devices into Iraq, killing Americans?" he said. "The point is that peace through strength is the way we achieve peace in the world. That’s the point. I will debate this issue with Senator Obama throughout this campaign."
Going farther, McCain said Thursday that Obama’s willingness to sit down with the president of Iran shows "naiveté and inexperience and lack of judgment."
Watch McCain’s attack on Obama HERE
Obama tied Bush and McCain together on Friday, in what is clearly becoming the opening salvo in the yet to be begun general election campaign.
"I want to be perfectly clear with George and John McCain," Obama said, "If George Bush and John McCain want to have a debate about protecting the United States of America, that is a debate I’m willing to have anytime, anywhere because that is a debate that I will win because George Bush and John McCain have a lot to answer for."
In a press conference following his town hall meeting in South Dakota, Obama continued on the offensive, insisting there is "no separation" between Bush and McCain and repeating the challenge that he would meet McCain "anywhere, anytime" for a debate on foreign policy.
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., who continues to campaign hard in advance of Tuesday’s primaries in Oregon and Kentucky, also criticized Bush on Thursday.
"On the face of it and especially in light of his failures in foreign policy, this is the kind of statement that has no place in any presidential address and certainly to use an important moment like the 60th anniversary celebration of Israel to make a political point seems terribly misplaced," said the New York Senator during an impromptu conference with reporters. "Unfortunately this is what we’ve come to expect from President Bush who has refused to change course in Iraq, neglected Afghanistan and failed to provide leadership on the range of important issues that face our country and the world."
It may be a smart political tactic for Obama to connect the President, who hit a historic low approval rating of 31% in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, and McCain.
Obama went on to call the statements by Bush and McCain "dishonest" and "dismissive", criticizing McCain for calling for civility during a speech Thursday morning before making the statement against Obama later that day.
"I’m running for president to change course," Obama said to the applause of the South Dakota crowd.
ABC News’ White House troops point out that the President has made similar statements in the past and Bush did not specifically cite Obama by name, though he did reference Sen. William Borah’s immortal reaction upon hearing that Hitler had invaded Poland and begun World War II, something he has not highlighted in the past.
"(The President) has said similar things before," a White House official told ABC News’ Martha Raddatz. "But it is in reference to a number of people, think Carter, others who have engaged in this or suggested it."
White House spokesperson Dana Perino was asked if Bush’s line was a slam against Obama and she insisted, "It is not."
"I understand that when you are running for office sometimes you think the world revolves around you. That is not always true and it is not true in this case," Perino added, though the White House is keenly aware of how such statements might play during a heated political season and has steadfastly avoided commenting on the 2008 race.
Late Thursday that notion seemed to be confirmed.
"Did we know this could be construed as being about Obama? Yes, of course," a White House source told ABC News. "But was this about just Obama? No, it was about Pelosi, Carter, Biden, Obama, etc. When the line went in the speech, we made sure that it was the same as everything (Bush) has said in the past. This was not about just Obama."
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Cali., did not take kindly to the remarks calling Bush’s statement "beneath the dignity of the office of the president" in her weekly press conference on Capitol Hill.
Others including Sen. Joe Biden, D-Dela., had a more blunt response.
"This was a political hit. This was a hit. Not trying to make a point," Biden, who will be a guest on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" this Sunday, said in a pugnacious counteroffensive against the president on behalf of Obama on Thursday.
Biden took Bush to task and said the president should "get a life".
ABC News’ Ann Compton, Lindsey Ellerson, Jon Garcia, Martha Raddatz, and Z. Byron Wolf contributed to this report.
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I’m glad Bush made reference to these kind of talks. Obama, Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, Kennedy are ALL in favor of sitting down with Iran to negoitiate. It does nothing but make America look weak. Hillary said it right that if Iran attacks Israel, we would annihilate them. Because of Obama’s Muslim upbringing, this is why he concedes to have these talks. Now, he’s trying to incorporate “God” into his campaign when America already knows he’s a closet Muslim. This guy never stops, is very low. Get ready, Obama….you are in the BIG LEAGUE now, with the BIG BOYS! The GOP are going to have you and your American hating wife for lunch! I’m going to LOVE to see you, Mr. Obama, collaspse!
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
“I’m running for president to change course,” Obama said to the applause of the South Dakota crowd.
THE ONLY CHANGE THIS JERK HAS MADE IS TO CAUSE AMERICAN TO BE EVEN MORE DIVIDED RACIALLY. YEAH, I WANT THIS BIGOT AS THE PRESIDENT!
Posted by: Jack | May 16, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
ahhh, finally we get to have some political discourse on issues. Ok, now it is resolved: Do we talk to terror states or not? I think we will break it down to two factions: Those that think it is safer and more correct to discourage any talks with leaders of terror states and those that think that engaging everyone regardless of their philosophy and/or actions. Let the debate begin!
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
George Bush seems to have forgotten his history again as he speaks about appeasement with German tanks running through Poland. In 1945 thousands of Poles who had been promised that they would be saved by the joint US British forces were slaughtered in full view of their alleged saviours on the other side of the river having held on for more than a month. Why? Appeasement of the Russians and the beginning of the cold war. Talk saves lives. Obama for the world.
Posted by: taralexamin scotland | May 16, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Obama did originally say that he would meet with any foreign leader, no preconditions. I noted it because it was a stark contrast to what Hillary and others were saying and it is one of the reasons I thought Obama was weak on foreign issues. Why is everyone protecting him so? Also, what right does he have to request a debate now. He isn’t the candidate and he wouldn’t debate Hillary lately. This is so unbelievable.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Barack Obama just said in a speech being broadcast on Fox News: “I have never said I would negotiate with terrorists.”
From his official campaign web site:
Diplomacy: Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior.
It’s a simple, undeniable fact that Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.
Posted by: wut | May 16, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
If I recall properly, Obama said he would be willing to sit down with governments/terrorists and have conversations with them. It is the policy of the United States Government that we do not negotiate with terrorists. Why all of a sudden is Obama “offended?” I am personally offended by Obama. Remember to vote for Clinton even if you have to write her name on your ballot — send Obama and his wife (the un-proud American) away.
Posted by: misty | May 16, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
oBAMA DID SAY HE WANTED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE TERRIORISTS. hOW CAN HE NOW TRY TO BACK DOWN ON THAT ONE–BECAUSE IT IS LIKE EVEYTHING ELSE HE DOES–WHEN IT DOES NOT SUIT HIS CAMPAIGN HE CHANGES HIS MIND–HE NEEDS TO REALIZE THIS STUFF HE SAYS IS IN WRITING–PEOPLE CAN REFER BACK TO WHAT HE HAS SAID BEFORE–HE COULD NOT FIGHT HIS WAY OUT OF A PAPBER BAG–HOWEVER HE IS A GOOD SPEECHMAKER–BUT HIS ACTIONS NEVER BACK UP HIS WORDS. IF HE IS ELECTED PRESIDENT –IT WILL BE THE SADDEST DAY IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
Posted by: SILVERLADY | May 16, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Obama = Chamberlain is an excellent analogy. Chamberlain met with Hitler, appeased him, gave up entire countries to him, and then bragged how he was a great negotiator of peace. Obama is on the same path, he does not know history, and is clearly doomed to repeat it.. unless the American people reject Obama’s ignorance and inexperience.
Posted by: Bill | May 16, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
David David David…Your big boys are going to be finding themselves in the Congressional holding area when the contempt subpeonas start coming out of the Judical committee…I cant wait to see your buddys’ Bush, Rove and Cheney in handcuffs for committing banana republic type crimes…This is America NOT South America…If you like that sort of corrupt behavior then you might want to think about moving down there…before the dollar isnt worth anything there either.
Posted by: Beka13 | May 16, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
He could not take his eyes off of the written statements…I mean how many sentences long was it?
He looked WEAK before, he looks even WEAKER now.
Bush’s comment could well have been about Jimmy Carter or other past “appeasers”. Of course this is all about Obama. Boy does he know how to play it up to the press and get as much of free media time as he can.
He is an opportunist, he lacks judgment, he appears weak and he is just a wild card when it comes to leading our country.
One thing that Hillary Clinton could never appear to be is weak.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 16, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
DAVID..
You are an idiot, and your comments clearly point that out.
your party is weak and crumbling because of ignorant people like yourself.
wake up
america wants change. no matter how hard you fight it.
Posted by: seme | May 16, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
They remind me of the 3 stooges, but these guys are not funny and I am sick of being slapped around!
Posted by: HP Boston | May 16, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Obama and his hating American wife need to be deported to their land of origin
Posted by: Frank | May 16, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
I absolutely fail to see why Obama and the Democrats are purposefully picking this fight. It continues to make them look weak and naive on foreign policy and handling ambitious dictators. How are we supposed to have confidence that Democrats will protect our national security if they are already amenable to kow towing to the likes of Iran. Talk is not necessarily appeasement but if you are not offended by the appeasement of dictators than you are far too immature to run foreign policy or national security.
Posted by: mPCT | May 16, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Obama has repeated several times he will talk to Iran who support terrorists…
Now he claimed he didn’t mean it… Sounds familar from day one: he didn’t mean what he has said, at all….
What a hypocrite!
Posted by: True Truth | May 16, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Bush: Well said. It’s interesting, even though that Obama’s name wasn’t mentioned by Bush, that Obama is taking this personally. I guess he’s upset that Bush compared his muslim family of Iran to Nazis.
This shows Obama’s immaturity as a leader.
Posted by: BT | May 16, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
David, lets say I don’t like you for any reason at all and vice versa. Should we just schedule a time to meet up at the flag pole so I could kick you’re ass? Or should we be wimps and talk face to face before going to the next step. Your worried about the country looking weak; we are weak thanks to Bush’s pre emptive war strategy. God forbid we learn from his tragic Presidency and behave like a civalized nation and use our diplomatic strength first.
Posted by: David needs to use his brain | May 16, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
EVERYTIME ANYTHING NEGATIVE IS SAID ABOUT OBAMA–HE GOES OFF THE DEEP END AND GETS EXTREMELY DEFENSIVE–I SURE DON’T WANT HIM ANSWERING THE RED PHONE AT 2AM IN THE MORNING—HE WOULD PROBABLY TALK IN HIS SLEEP AND SET OFF WORLD WAR III. PLEASE FOLKS, DO NOT PUT AMERICA IN JEOPARDY–ELECT ANYONE BUT THIS NUT.
Posted by: SIVERLADY | May 16, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
How can a rookie senator with thin resume and questionable ties come this far? What does he mean by “tough” diplomacy? Diplomacy without strength can’t be tough no matter what adjectives one uses to describe it. He also shamelessly equated himself to JFK and Reagan saying Reagan talked to the Soviets. Two flaws in that example: (1) Soviets were not mindless terrorists and didn’t look forward to martyrdom; and (2) Reagan negotiated from a position of strength after unilaterally building up US muscle and then communicating to the Soviets they can’t win!
Posted by: Unashamed_Independent | May 16, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
The Real Obama……seen through the women in his life. Excellent read!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/front_page/jb26aa01.html
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Great! If they win we’ll have 4 years of impeachment & congressional hearings while they do nothing! This crying makes them look weak. Do they think that their talks with Iran will be easier or that Iran will welcome them with open arms? If they can’t take this kind of talk, they should not have a candidate for president of the United States (I would think the job is harder than this). I hope after November we do not end up acting like some spineless, socialist country that lets the world walk over us and tell us how bad we are…
Posted by: Rochelle | May 16, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Barack: Get a life!
Posted by: JH | May 16, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
For you Obamabots, your guy DID say he would sit down and talk with terrorist leaders….remember? or, has the Obama kool-aid got you so drunk you can’t remember? However, whether Bush was directing this at the Obama idiot or not, eveidently the shoe fit, because your guy, Obama is crying like a baby now…LOL! And now, he wants to debate? Remember, he was afraid to debate Hillary….this is going to be fun….McCain will literally rip his rhetoric and lies to pieces in the fall!
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
DAVID tell me what he did to make this country racial, it merely shows how america has not passed over the racial problems when it comes to the older generation. OBAMA will be president!!!!!!
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
talking with someone and negotiating with someone are two different things. Bush seems to still forget it was Bin Laden who terrorized our nation – and he is still running free in Afghanistan – he is not nor ever was in Iraq – we are there for oil. And revenge on Hussein for emabarrassing Bush Sr. Nothing to do with 9/11.
Posted by: katie | May 16, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Hey people get serious!!!!!!!
Hussein Obama is un-electable in
november.
He lost all the big states.It’s
impossible to get 270 electoral
votes in november.
Do the math state by state.
Posted by: Nicholas | May 16, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Obama was not raised as a Muslim, his biological father gave him an Arabic name, but Obama was raised by a non-religious step-father and his Christian mother. We need some intelligence and common sense in the white house. Obama will be a great president.
Posted by: oobflyer | May 16, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
For those who do not know what the issue is, this is from http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/ Quote: “Talk to our Foes and Friends: Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe.” End quote. See for yourself that Obama is indeed a Neville Chamberlain clone and is on a path to America’s (and the Free World’s) destruction if we allow him anywhere close to The Oval Office. Want more disturbing facts on Obama’s policies? Check out his “Energy Plan” and his “Illegal Alien Amnesty Plan”. This guy is absolutely unreal.
Posted by: Bill | May 16, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Man, from the posts I receive, you Obamabots really get offended when the truth hurts……LOL….your guy is toast now…this is just the BEGINNING !
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
BO is such a wimp. He has to manufacture controversy where there isn’t any. He’s also an arrogant SOB who feels that no one can question him. He’s an elitist snob.
Posted by: Frustrated Voter | May 16, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
I strongly disagree.
We’ve been following Bush/McCain foreign policies for 8 years.
The Results…
Al Qaida in Iraq has strengthen.
Al Qaida in Afganistan has strengthen.
Bin Laden is still at large.
Israel has not prospered.
The Iraqi government has weaken.
Iran has strengthen.
Our security is in jeopardy.
AND
Our influence amongst World Leaders has weaken.
It’s time for a change.
Posted by: Vanessa | May 16, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
For Sen Obama, he just thinks about himself. NO MORE DEBATE WITH Sen Clinton. Now Call for DEBATE WITH Sen McCain.
Good, I want to know how your advisors answer the debate questions.
Posted by: The truth | May 16, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Obama is popular due to high numbers of gullible Americans who are being told what they want to hear. Doesn’t mean he can or will deliver on all the promises he’s making. Doesn’t mean he has to have any experience to deliver on those promises. Just making the promises wins over the mush brains.
Posted by: Lee | May 16, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Besides Mccain’s hypocrisy, Bush is negotiating with North Korea as we speak. Is North Korea not a part of the axis of evil, along with Iran & Syria ? He is offering them incentives to stop their nuclear program.
Bush struck a deal with Libya – a country that blew up american airliner over scotland killing americans.
As we speak, He is paying and negotiating with the Iraqi insurgents to stop the war in Iraq.
Is George Bush not the greatest appeaser and hypocrite of all times?
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
BO can’t afford to have people find out that he’s an appeaser. He can’t fight his own fight so he sends his surrogates out to fight for him. But there is a double-edge sword. The last time he used surrogates such as that racist pastor, it came back to bite him and he’s been losing primaries. Now that he’s recognizing that others are onto him, he wants HRC to give up. He’s not even a man.
Posted by: Frustrated Voter | May 16, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Besides Mccain’s hypocrisy, Bush is negotiating with North Korea as we speak. Is North Korea not a part of the axis of evil, along with Iran & Syria ? He is offering them incentives to stop their nuclear program.
Bush struck a deal with Libya – a country that blew up american airliner over scotland killing americans.
As we speak, He is paying and negotiating with the Iraqi insurgents to stop the war in Iraq.
Is George Bush not the greatest appeaser and hypocrite of all times?
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Is it over yet? Come on, America, the entire world knows Bush’s statements were directed at Obama. The white house said he was speaking out against Hamas ‘endorsing’ Obama and then speaking about Obama’s stance on meeting with rogue leaders. You’ve got to be in denial or in a coma if you think Bush was not referring to Obama. Who else has been on the campaign path and speaking like this, and Hamas liking a particular candidate? Duh–
Posted by: RuthieM | May 16, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Boy, you better grow up! You want to sit at the grown ups table? You better put your big boy pants on!
Who is this guy & how the heck did he get this far??????
Posted by: kathy | May 16, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Being called a nazi appeaser by Bush is very much like being called a nazi appeaser by Hitler. Research Prescott Bush and see whose family financially supported the nazis when it counted.
Posted by: anonyq | May 16, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
McCain is no Bush…the International community views McCain in a much more favorable light than Bush.
Would you rather have a President who Hamas has said that they support? Not me.
Posted by: memyselfandI | May 16, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Obama is the most childish oaf I have ever seen. This guy has really got himself in a pickle now. He cracks me up. His loyal followers must have rocks for brains.
Posted by: grannie | May 16, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Obama is the most childish oaf I have ever seen. This guy has really got himself in a pickle now. He cracks me up. His loyal followers must have rocks for brains.
Posted by: grannie | May 16, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
With Hillary on his Ticket All Things Are Possible! That is If she wants it!
Posted by: Gay and Proud! | May 16, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
From Obama’s website:Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe. He will do the careful preparation necessary, but will signal that America is ready to come to the table, and that he is willing to lead. And if America is willing to come to the table, the world will be more willing to rally behind American leadership to deal with challenges like terrorism, and Iran and North Korea’s nuclear programs.
He will sit down with any leader without preconditions including, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Palestine, Venezuala. How can he feel this is an attack if his own website states what he will do.
Posted by: john s | May 16, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
I’d like to weigh in on the whole “presidential job approval” ratings. My thought is this: You can’t possibly compare any other president to the current president. Why? Because simply times have changed. Even though Truman’s poll’s were woefully low, in our past the OFFICE of president was held in high regard. People, unlike today, didn’t find it “chic” and “fashionable” to disparage the office like they do now. Also, you didn’t tell ANYBODY that you hated the president so much that you wanted to see him dead. Now, every left wing nut-job thinks it’s their duty to rabble rouse. Especially when no one can see their face when they say it! The anonomitity of the net allows people to be just as nasty as they can be, and some use the full measure of that.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Barack, my wish is you will go to Iran, and not come back. That would be change I could live with
Posted by: GTERPS | May 16, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Obama will ruin Dems’ prospect in 2008…
He has said so many things he didn’t mean it…
Rep will refresh Americans on his controversial pastor, his double talk on NAFTA, his bitter comment on working-class people, his weak stand against terrorists, his un-patriotism…..
So on so on….
Posted by: True Truth | May 16, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Of course none of you remember Neville Chamberlain. He’s the fool who attempted to negoiated with Hitler and formally signed a document of appeasement with Nazi Germany in 1938 called the Munich Agreement. This turned over Czechoslovakia to Hitler. Hitler then invaded Belgium, France and the Netherlands. Just remember, those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it.
Fact is, any negotiation with terrorists like Iran is just plain stupid as Bush points out. Any moron (like Obama) who fails to put diplomatic pressure on a terrorist state to stop them from destroying Israel is asking for trouble.
Posted by: Bullshit | May 16, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Seems to me there are a LOT more posters that are beginning to see the real Obama. He lies, lies, and then lies to cover up his lies. Face it, Obamabots, he DID say he would meet with terrorists…….and, lets see, he has been endorsed by the HAMAS, remember? There must be SOMETHING in his character that they liked. No OTHER terroroist group has EVER endorsed a Presidential candidate before? Hmmmmm…….the writing on the wall about Sodama is beginning to become real legible!
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
If it was about jimmy carter he would have said talked in past tens not want to talk to.
it is sad how you guys think ignorinz iran is the best way to go. can somone here please tell me what that has bought us in the past 8 years or what it will bring to us for the next 4 if mcbush is in office?????
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
I don’t understand the paranoia about realist deal making, a technique used by Bush’s daddy to blend military action with diplomatic action. Obama says he rejects the notion that any hint of strategies involving diplomacy are somehow “soft” or indicate surrender or means that we are not going to crack down on terrorism. I want to see the debate.
Posted by: undecided | May 16, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
WHY DOESN’T BUSH JUST GO AHEAD AND BOMB NORTH KOREA, LIBYA & IRAQI INSURGENTS INSTEAD OF NEGOTIATING WITH THEM?
ARE THESE PEOPLE OUR FRIENDS?
HYPOCRISY!!!!
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Frank,
where exactly is their land of orgin that you are referring to? Might you mean Africa? Cause all black people must be from Africa? Regardless of what their heritage maybe.
That’s ridiculous!
Posted by: Tori | May 16, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Jo said:
This is Obama’s momumental Kerry “I was for it before I was against it” moment.
Mark it. It will be downhill from now on. Obama gives the GOP soooo much to work with. And so does his bitter wife.
EXCELLENT POST! OBAMA IS TOAST!
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
I think Bush was referring to Jimmy Carter (the biggest idiot on the planet) for negotiating with Syria.
Why does Obama think it’s all about him. It’s not.
He’s playing the “stupidity card”.
Posted by: The truth be told | May 16, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Oh and regarding the whole “change” thing: Change is not neccessarily positive. Adolph Hitlers platform was CHANGE! He promised the people that their lives would change. The people were tired of high unemployment, a economic depression, low self esteem etc. He promised that there would be change, and there was.
Posted by: phil | May 16, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
John Kerry. Here’s some flip-flops for you.
By DAVID M. HALBFINGER
Published: June 12, 2004
John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, has repeatedly and personally asked Senator John McCain, the independent-minded Arizona Republican, to consider being his running mate, but Mr. McCain has refused, people who have spoken to both men said Friday.
Hillary 08′ McCain 08′
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | May 16, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Looks like the corrupt Obama and his pals in our liberal MSM wolfpack press are at it again. Check this out:
“Jonathan Alter’s Uninterrupted Partisanship
Posted by TOM BEVAN |
I’m not necessarily interested in wading into the brouhaha over whether Bush’s remarks in Jerusalem yesterday were an implicit attack on Barack Obama. The consensus in the media seems to be that they were, though clearly Bush didn’t say anything yesterday that he hasn’t been saying for years (See this speech on Dec 7, 2001, for starters: “The terrorists are the heirs to fascism. They have the same will to power, the same disdain for the individual, the same mad global ambitions. And they will be dealt with in just the same way. Like all fascists, the terrorists cannot be appeased: they must be defeated. This struggle will not end in a truce or treaty. It will end in victory for the United States, our friends and the cause of freedom.”)
What I am interested in doing, however, is taking issue with something Jonathan Alter said today on Morning Joe. Alter claimed Bush’s remarks were an “unprecedented” attack and called them (I’m paraphrasing from notes here) a “violation of 60 years of uninterrupted policy,” referring to Senator Arthur Vandenberg’s famous dictum that “politics stops at the water’s edge.”
Uninterrupted policy? Please. Alter is a smart guy and a student of history, so one can only marvel at how his partisanship and his intense dislike of President Bush allowed him to make such a silly and historically inaccurate statement. ”
ONCE AGAIN, our liberal press is in the tank for Obama.
Twisting, distorting, smearin, and lying again.
Really sad indeed…………..
Posted by: Allen Ridge | May 16, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Even if I were in favor with negotiating directly with terrorist or governments who are considered dangerous without preconditions, I wouldn’t want Obama to do it. I just can’t see him negotiating with other countries. His smile and empty rhetoric won’t be able to win over the other side and they will find him disrespectful on top of it. (He doesn’t even know that calling a woman “sweetie” is inappropriate.) That the democratic party is where it is right now, is just a huge joke.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Bush is negotiating with North Korea as we speak. Is North Korea not a part of the axis of evil, along with Iran & Syria ? He is offering them incentives to stop their nuclear program.
Bush struck a deal with Libya – a country that blew up american airliner over scotland killing americans.
As we speak, He is paying and negotiating with the Iraqi insurgents to stop the war in Iraq.
Is George Bush not the greatest appeaser and hypocrite of all times?
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Republicans put up the Bush/McCain ticket for a vote to divide a nation … and nations.
Posted by: zabra29B | May 16, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Can anyone tell me why you guys hate obama soooooo much on this blog???? i mean tell me why why why. weather you like it or not there are a lotttttt of rasict people in america who hate obama because he is black that is realllyyyy sad in 2008. face it people this country needs a lot of work and a lot of change.
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
What do you do when your bombs cannot solve the problems that you want to solve. The Iranians have built facilities deep enough secure enough to withstand our bombs. Hence why the Isrealis have not bombed.
we bombed Sadaam to bits, but it did nto conquer the nation, nor endear us to the population.
we have shown our hand with the protracted Iraq and Afghanistan wars. We have shown the world tht our airpower cannot win all conflicts, not solve them for the long term.
Diplomacy should be one of our ‘weapons” we use.
Posted by: scott jeffries | May 16, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Bush is negotiating with North Korea as we speak. Is North Korea not a part of the axis of evil, along with Iran & Syria ? He is offering them incentives to stop their nuclear program.
Bush struck a deal with Libya – a country that blew up american airliner over scotland killing americans.
As we speak, He is paying and negotiating with the Iraqi insurgents to stop the war in Iraq.
Is George Bush not the greatest appeaser and hypocrite of all times?
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
My question is that, why do we (American) rely on our government to change, when we ourselves are unwilling to push for the change our world and country is in desperate need?
Social movements create change, not politicians.
As Jim Wallis said in a recent speech, President Johnson was not a civil rights activist until Martin Luther King, Jr. and Rosa Parks made him one.
Stop focusing on the election, focus on today and all the change that can happen in a day.
Posted by: Rachel | May 16, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
I can’t believe some of the hateful comments! I am shocked truly. Those of you that don’t want to see Obama or anyone else speak to terrorists, or state sponsored terrorists, better focus on the current president and this administration. This Administration is talking right now to North Korea. This Administration is pushing for talks with Iran (Gates). May be there is something to talking / not appeasing, but talking, communicating with the WORLD outside of this continent.
As for comments like FRANK’s – “Obama and his hating American wife need to be deported to their land of origin”. Really? Unless you are of Native American descent, I suggest we send you back to wherever you came. Problem is, you are most likely born and raised here, in the U.S., and it is people like you that I am ashamed of, that embarrass me as an American. Statements like that are truly, truly hateful and ignorant. Statements like that are truly unspeakable, truly. I just can’t imagine what kind of person says those kinds of things. Honestly.
Posted by: Randi | May 16, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
the only thing in texas is steers and queers aint that right david?
oh and douche bags of course
Posted by: republicans are idiots | May 16, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
I can’t believe some of the hateful comments! I am shocked truly. Those of you that don’t want to see Obama or anyone else speak to terrorists, or state sponsored terrorists, better focus on the current president and this administration. This Administration is talking right now to North Korea. This Administration is pushing for talks with Iran (Gates). May be there is something to talking / not appeasing, but talking, communicating with the WORLD outside of this continent.
As for comments like FRANK’s – “Obama and his hating American wife need to be deported to their land of origin”. Really? Unless you are of Native American descent, I suggest we send you back to wherever you came. Problem is, you are most likely born and raised here, in the U.S., and it is people like you that I am ashamed of, that embarrass me as an American. Statements like that are truly, truly hateful and ignorant. Statements like that are truly unspeakable, truly. I just can’t imagine what kind of person says those kinds of things. Honestly.
Posted by: Randi | May 16, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
This is much ado about nothing. But I also agree with Allen Ridge – this is such an example of the liberal media flexing for Obama. I was watching MSNBC this morning, and they only had Joe Biden on to comment on the President’s remarks, and the interviewer agreed with everything he said and even accused Bush of being deceitful. Wow.
PS: I’m a Dem, and I despise Bush and believe he is deceitful, but I also believe in a media that is not in the tank for any party or candidate.
Posted by: Tony | May 16, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Is everyone f’ing stupid, have you not realised this country is being destroyed from within,and most of the time its a republican’s doing. If your RASCIST, whatever, but dont put my family, your family, and the rest of the country in jeopardy just b/c you dont like a black people. PEOPLE TALKING CRAP ABOUT OBAMA ARE THE SAME FUKS THAT ELECTED BUSH FOR 2 TERMS. YEAH THE POEPLE REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT
Posted by: H | May 16, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Geldo: You’re a fool, not to mention totally illiterate. It’s time you invested in an education.
Posted by: The truth be told | May 16, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Is everyone f’ing stupid, have you not realised this country is being destroyed from within,and most of the time its a republican’s doing. If your RASCIST, whatever, but dont put my family, your family, and the rest of the country in jeopardy just b/c you dont like a black people. PEOPLE TALKING CRAP ABOUT OBAMA ARE THE SAME FUKS THAT ELECTED BUSH FOR 2 TERMS. YEAH THE POEPLE REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT
Posted by: H | May 16, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Great push-back by Obama to the ridiculous statements and policies of Bush which have hurt this great country.
Obama 08!
Posted by: Diane | May 16, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Bush is negotiating with North Korea as we speak. Is North Korea not a part of the axis of evil, along with Iran & Syria ? He is offering them incentives to stop their nuclear program.
Bush struck a deal with Libya – a country that blew up american airliner over scotland killing americans.
As we speak, He is paying and negotiating with the Iraqi insurgents to stop the war in Iraq.
Is George Bush not the greatest appeaser and hypocrite of all times?
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
bez, Huh? Why did you bring race into the mix. Maybe I missed the racial comments? Perhaps if I were to closely look for one I might find that, but the vast majority are talking about his philosophy. I really HATE people trying to infur that if you don’t vote for Obama you are racist.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
If all countries made the commitment to NOT talk to terrorist states. No body would talk to us.
What the difference in terrorism if you kill innocence with a suicide bomber or you do it with a bomb from 20,000 feet…. The technology and the cost… That’s the only difference…. Shock and Awe’s purpose is to stike terror also.
Posted by: Roy | May 16, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
It is called perception: Obama has been painted as weak on terrorists…
No one thinks he is toungh and he is a fighter on our national security…
Posted by: True Truth | May 16, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
i don’t want to lower myself to the level of some people on this blog. please people grow up read the facts, and read bbc news or any news other than your local news so you know that is going on around the world and know waht the us does outside the borders!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
bez………just like ALL the Obamabots, you want to play the race card and thats all YOU supporters have in your hand, unfortunately. Obama is a liar, you know it, I know it, America knows it. This time, he is caught, only now, he is out of his league. The GOP will stop at nothing to bring him down…however, they don’t have to work very hard, Obama is doing this all on his own. If you think this is hate, wait until he is the nominee……the forceful attack on him will be unmerciful…….see what Dukakis said on Larry King Wednesday nite. He knows from experience and it appears, Obama, along with Michelled, are giving the GOP ALL the ammunition they need to bring him down! Maybe you need to rethink your support of Obama.
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
Why is it that everytime someone criticizes the President it is OK, then when he comments of the blubbering of the democrats and the way they would appease terrorist it is a headline story, its the TRUTH. and he(OBAMA) can’t handle the truth, as Jack Nicholson once said to Tom Cruise. The democrats are grasping at anything, they can’t criticize McCain on anything he has done, so they constantly compare him to Bush, not a strategy that will fool the American people in the end, they will se right though Obama and his legion (Pelosi, Kennedy, Biden and the rest of the OLD democratic Guard) he Proposes a new Washington, I think not with the friends he has chosen.
Posted by: Ray from Washington | May 16, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Bush is not personally speaking directly with the leaders of Korea or Libya. Obama said he would speak personally with them. That is why it created a question about his foreign policy ability for some of us when he said it. That is a huge difference Geldo.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Why is it that everytime someone criticizes the President it is OK, then when he comments of the blubbering of the democrats and the way they would appease terrorist it is a headline story, its the TRUTH. and he(OBAMA) can’t handle the truth, as Jack Nicholson once said to Tom Cruise. The democrats are grasping at anything, they can’t criticize McCain on anything he has done, so they constantly compare him to Bush, not a strategy that will fool the American people in the end, they will se right though Obama and his legion (Pelosi, Kennedy, Biden and the rest of the OLD democratic Guard) he Proposes a new Washington, I think not with the friends he has chosen.
Posted by: Ray from Washington | May 16, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
barack hussien obama is digging a deeper hole for himself.
Posted by: andrea | May 16, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Why does Bush think Iran is a state sponsoring terrorism when the USA is a terrorist state? The USA has secret jail and torture chambers, it is has concentration camp like quatanamo bay in Cuba, it has a terrorist police force affiliated to the KKK that kill blacks for fun. It is funny that naturally terrorist governments like the USA gov accusing a state fighting their terrorism of being terrorist itself. Israel is illegally seating on Palestinian land denying Palestinian refugee the right to return to their land and terrorizing them with bulldozers, tanks, F16 fighter jet, missile and all sort of terrorist weapons in their arsenal yet Bush accuse a state helping the oppressed people of Palestine of sponsoring terrorist.
The same USA today still classify the South Africa ANC (African national congress) witch freed their country from “white” pure evil culture of slavery, oppression, genocide and madness as a terrorist organization.
I guess the evil entity of this planet which is the USA government will never hear the voice of reason, only bullets can make them come to their sense.
Posted by: Hot4real | May 16, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Phil i was answering to somone who said obama made this country a racist.
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Why does Bush think Iran is a state sponsoring terrorism when the USA is a terrorist state? The USA has secret jail and torture chambers, it is has concentration camp like quatanamo bay in Cuba, it has a terrorist police force affiliated to the KKK that kill blacks for fun. It is funny that naturally terrorist governments like the USA gov accusing a state fighting their terrorism of being terrorist itself. Israel is illegally seating on Palestinian land denying Palestinian refugee the right to return to their land and terrorizing them with bulldozers, tanks, F16 fighter jet, missile and all sort of terrorist weapons in their arsenal yet Bush accuse a state helping the oppressed people of Palestine of sponsoring terrorist.
The same USA today still classify the South Africa ANC (African national congress) witch freed their country from “white” pure evil culture of slavery, oppression, genocide and madness as a terrorist organization.
I guess the evil entity of this planet which is the USA government will never hear the voice of reason, only bullets can make them come to their sense.
Posted by: Hot4real | May 16, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Hot4Real. Wow! Your name is really Michelle right? Come on, fess up!
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA dn’t criticize me Mr Bush, next u will say something about my big ears like the NYT’s did. I am gonna give this country to the musliums if you keep making fun of me WAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Posted by: obamaslama | May 16, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
McShame is a hypocrite.
EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: MCCAIN SAID HE’D TALK TO “ROGUE REGIME” HAMAS.
Two years ago, in an interview with James Rubin for Sky News, Sen. John McCain expressed a willingness to negotiate with the terrorist group Hamas — the very group that McCain has been relentlessly using to smear Sen. Barack Obama over the last several weeks.
Rubin has written an op-ed in Friday’s Washington Post about his exchange with McCain, and The Huffington Post has obtained exclusive video. Here’s the key excerpt:
RUBIN: “Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?”
McCAIN: “They’re the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it’s a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/exclusive-video-mccain-wa_n_102031.html
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Why isn’t Prescot Bush (W’s grandfather) being mentioned? Didn’t Prescot finance Hitler or something like that?
Posted by: Palomita | May 16, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
David here is where you are wrong this is not a normal election. you have young people you have recored number reg. to vote, if you watch the news the Rep. pary lost 3 congressional seats and they were negative campian about obama, it didn’t work it will not work for the general election.
for all the blogers i am not voting for barak b/c he is balck, i am not for hillary b/c she is a women
i am voting for obama b/c i think this country needs to rebuild its repuation. if you guys travel you would know the reputaion of USA outside the boarders
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
It was plain to see what bush was doing. This was probably a rove tactic, bush is not bright enough to think of it. Obama is going to tear OLD MAN mc-more-war apart in the debates. Obama 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | May 16, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Oh now he wants to debate…….but just not Hillary. Funny how that works. The guys has no idea what it takes to lead this country. What a jerk?
Why debate Bush…….he is not in this race.
Posted by: Barb | May 16, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
I believe that Senator Barack Obama has the best of INTENTIONS in stating that he would “sit down with the President of Iran in order to begin diplomacy with NO PRECONDITIONS”. Good intentions? Yes. Naive? Yes. Smart? NO. Iran’s President is as crazy as Hilter was, so it is obvious that diplomacy with NO preconditions is absurd and reckless foreign policy on Barack’s part. Senator Hillary Clinton had it right. Its a damn shame she was knocked out of the race by style over substance.
Posted by: PhillyPaul | May 16, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
I can’t stand Bush and have never cared for him. That being said, it doesn’t mean that there isn’t some validity to some of what he says. Democrats need to wake up and see the weaknesses in their self-appointed leader before it is too late. He will be shown as unpatriotic, weak on terror, soft on crime, unfaithful, etc. While Hillary has her baggage, no one would ever be able to question, in good faith, her on these characteristics.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Poor Obama — Having Bush criticize him (in his opinion) is the LEAST of his worries!! He’s up to his ankles already and it’s getting deeper — Rev. Wright, Frank Davis, Tony Resko, William Ayers, Larry Sinclair, Nadhmia Auchi…. Where will it end? (Not in the White House)
Posted by: Hoosier Mark | May 16, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Obama wants to debate McCain, but he wouldn’t debate Hillary. Another comparable weakness in Obama.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
It has been mentioned many times that Obama does not seem to really support Israel. He wants us to believe he does, however, his actions speak louder than his words. This is a big deal that he is combating this with President Bush. Sounds like Bush hit a nerve and evidently has opened a dam that is releasing more of Obama’s lies. Iran’s President HATES Israel and wants to blow them off the map……Israel is one of America’s strongest allies…but, we have a guy running for president that wants to enter negotiations with him. Obama said it, its been recorded, there’s no way denying it now.
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
bhrandon: Your post shows why many of us have a concern over what the DNC has done to the party. You hate ALL republicans? That’s pretty indicitive of the hatred that the DNC has indoctrinated into the Democratic Party. The party USED to be so much different. The Democrates used to be for the downtrodden, the working people. Now it has moved so far left it is a party of hate.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
This country (the United States of America) was a known sponsor of terrorists. The CIA supported the military dictatorship in Guatemala that slaughtered tens of thousands in their “re-forestation” program and buried them beneath trees. I have family members buried there. I fled through Mexico, entered the US illegally (am now legal). If Obama talks to the Devil and saves one innocent then the talk is well worth it. Pandering to regimes that are known to kill their own and using hyped fear while pushing the innocent to the front and surrounding yourself with paid protection is cowardice. It is time for a change and time for truth. We must get rid of the past, the shackles of ignorance, fear and distoration – to continue on the road that George Bush set this nation on along with Karl Rove and VP Cheney in my opinion is disaster. I am sorry to offend anyone, but I have a strong voice and opinion founded in years of suffering and heartache as many of you do.
Posted by: OnTheGloryRoad | May 16, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
God I wish the awesome Senator Joe Biden had gotten the nomination. I LOVE his honest, direct, straight-forward manner, intelligence, and superior grasp of foreign policy issues. Plus, he’d make a damn fine looking President. Joe Biden 2012!!!
Posted by: PhillyPaul | May 16, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
barb they had 22, 22, 22 debates they same thing 22 times i don’t know why he has to debate her for 23rd time, tell me what you would like to have heard if there was a 23rd debate that was not included in the other 22??
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
You american bigots are far from to understand what is a difference between a country with 7000 years heritages (like Iran) and terrorism which you are encouraging by your troubling behavior in middle east. You better to get out of your ego and see the world differently.
Posted by: From iran | May 16, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Do you remember all the IRA bombs in London? Do you remember how the 30-year Northern Ireland conflict was ended? It was ended by negotiating with the political arm of the IRA. Sometimes you cannot get peace in difficult conflicts without negotiation.
Posted by: Tom Hopes | May 16, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
David: I think the only thing that’s going down is your GOP. And, they know it and that is why they are fighting dirtier, lower and nastier than ever. It’s funny you say that all the GOP needs is ammunition from the Obamas to take them down. Hmm…let’s do a comparrison. Your GOP for the last eight years, our economy, our rising gas prices, our homes being foreclosed all over the place, wars started with no end in sight. And, then the president finally deciding that “yes” Global Warming does exist. LOL… I think you might want to rethink…period. That party has never been Grand, but, certainl old (in thought and deed), and it’s been no party having them in the White House for the last eight years.
Posted by: MH | May 16, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Obama wants to debate McCain, but he wouldn’t debate Hillary. Another comparable weakness in Obama.
Posted by: Susan
Twenty two wasn’t enough?
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Unbelievable…there are still people in this country who are so blind and uninformed that they still support “The Dub”, incredible. In seven years, the dollar has lost 45% of its’ value; we have wasted thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars on an illegal war of agression; our standing in the world community has been destroyed, and you haven’t had enough yet?
What is your definition of a “state sponsor of terrorism”? How about a government that has been supplying arms and training to rebel groups from the Phillipines to Nicaragua for over a hundred years.
What’s the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter? It depends on whose side they’re fighting.
Posted by: Padraic | May 16, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
If Michelle and Obama have any beliefs that are similar to hot4real, we are all going to be in worse shape if he gets elected. We need a patriotic leader who believes that America is a great place, and that it has just had some bad leadership for awhile, not that America is a terrible place to live. All countries have flaws even America, but Americans are basically great people and that is who America is.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
THIS WAS NEITHER ABOUT OBAMA NOR APPEASEMENT
Why is the media focusing on the wrong story here?
Obviously Obama picked up on the potential for headlines, but isn’t that a secondary story?
This about the misuse of the term “NEGOTIATE”
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/05/bushs-misrepresentation-of-negotiate.html
Posted by: PacificGatePost | May 16, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
WHAT IS WRONG WITH TALKING TO PEOPLE ??? UNDERSTANDING POINTS OF VIEW> PERSPECTIVES OF THE “ENEMIES” —- EVERY conflict has TWO sides. THE MORE WE UNDERSTABD OUR ‘enemies the better. the more we understnad WHY they HATE US and the PAIN THEY FEEL– this ridiculous non talking approach by war mongering idiots like ignorant bush and mcain is OLD SCHOOL thinking and it doesnt work.
Posted by: ccrider | May 16, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Jo tell me what package would make people not vote for obama, if you compare issues to clinton they are all the SAME, with some few changes. so tell me why people would vote for hillar but would rather vote for mccain and have anouther terrible 4 years under the rep. party???
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Sound’s like Obama is getting hostile toward Bush and McCain, they gotta answer to a few thing’s, he vows to debate them on this issue. Obama need’s to grow up before taking on the big boy’s…
Posted by: jeanette | May 16, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
OBAMA WILL CLEAN HOUSE WHEN HE GETS IN OFFICE. BUSH AND MCCAIN IS SCARED OF OBAMA. I GUARANTEE THAT THIS GUY WILL BE ONE OF THE GREATES PRESIDENT THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN. THE REPUBLICANS DON’T KNOW HOW TO CAMPAIGN AGAINST THIS GUY. THEY TRIED USING HIS PASTOR AND LOST TREE CONGRESSIONAL SEATS IN THE PROCESS. THIS ELECTION WILL BE ONE FOR THE AGES. THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING HOW IT PLAYS. AS A WHITE MAN, I WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM CASTING MY VOTE FOR THE BLACK MAN. I DON’T KNOW WHERE THIS GUY CAME FROM BUT HE IS TAKING ON THIS COUNTRY BY STORM. HE IS GOING TO LIFT THIS COUNTRY TO A LEVEL WHERE IT HAS NEVER BEEN BEFORE. U.S.A WILL STILL BE THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH BUT IT WILL ALSO BE ONE THE THE REST OF THE WORLD LOVE AND ADMIRES.
Posted by: Omar | May 16, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
The wordwar between these two dimwits sicken me…And besides, Hillary is not yet done kicking Oslamba’s arse …Come Tuesday, his arse will be sore again LOL.
Posted by: Veronica | May 16, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Prescott – Oh God man, the left wings needs to let THAT one go! Someone’s grandfather? Let’s see..where did JFK get his money from? Ummm, bootlegging and other crimes. Big deal. My grandfather and I saw the world completly differently. Next you’ll be citing the dawning of the cro magnon and how they preformed genocide on the neanderthals.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
its funny how ignorant some people are. First off, Israel is the 6th largest nuclear power in the world, I think they can defend themselves. Secondly, did these same people who think sitting down with our advisaries today, think the same when Reagan sat at the table with the Soviets, or Nixon with China?. Dealing with a gun to hip attitude has not exactly been very successful.Finally, we will have a president who can string together two sentences correctly. Its funny that Republicans tout thier admiration to the soldiers, yet say creating a new GI Bill is pork!, GO OBAMA!!
Posted by: michael | May 16, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
The US is a terrorist state? With Obama in charge we would become a banana republic. Just need to face that facts that Obama is not just weak on national security, he is pathetically weak in general.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
BEZ — The reason why Obama wouldn’t debate the 23rd time —- Somebody finally asked him tough questions in the 22nd debate and he was scared to debate again!
Posted by: Hoosier Mark | May 16, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
So we shouldn’t sit down with our enemies or people we disagree with. Okay. So Nixon never should have had talks with China (they were our enemy at the time) OR Reagan with Gorbachev (after referring to the Russians as ‘the evil empire’. Hmmm. I guess you’re right. Those things turned out so badly.
Posted by: Can't Wait to Vote (again) in OH | May 16, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
There are lot of “low information” commentors on here. Appeasement does not equal talking. I rarely see such a bunch of bloodthirsty, shortsighted warmongers as I’ve seen in this forum. Obama knows the strength of communicating with our foes. The longer we sit by, rattling the saber, the more galvanize the population of enemy governments against us. But then again, the more I see vicious Christians and crazy Muslims, I might vote for McCain, as he might result in getting us into a war with Iran. Iran would close off the Strait of Hormuz, thereby causing a global oil crisis, thereby FORCING us to stop being wasteful gas hogs and get us to rely on our neighbors again. Simpler times but very difficult times might be ahead.
Posted by: brent | May 16, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
The three ring circus has just begun..
Which one is the clown?
Posted by: zorar | May 16, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Jo please read about obama before you make your judgment. read and read. he doesn’t share the views of his pastor.
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
“CCRider” shows the funny yet dangerous naivate of many of Barack’s misquided “followers”. He/she argues for talking to our enemies, so that we can “feel their pain”. OMG. OK CCRider, thats just honkey-dory! I tell you what; when the President of Iran stops hanging homosexuals in the open square and stops his insane rants that 9/11 was perpetrated by the US, maybe THEN Barack should talk to him and try to “feel his pain”. Give us a break! Man, I wish Hillary had gotten the nomination instead!
Posted by: PhillyPaul | May 16, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Obama already has the REPUBS ready for action! The Democratic Party should know better…Obama is an easy target for the REPUBS. His minimal experience will be viewed as naivity. AND here comes BIDEN to defend rookie Obama. Seriously, the guy (Obama) has had his wife, Oprah, Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson, Edwards, and now Biden to come to his aid. No wonder Carville made that comment about Hillary having more “cahones” than him.
Posted by: Darla | May 16, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
I’m glad Bush made reference to these kind of talks. Obama, Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, Kennedy are ALL in favor of sitting down with Iran to negoitiate. It does nothing but make America look weak.
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Funny thing. Members of Bush’s OWN CABINET are in favor of the exact same thing.
And they are still on his cabinet.
So why is it ok for Bush folks to say it but suddenly when a Dem says it, it’s weakness?
This is the kind of hypocrisy the voters will NOT fall for come November. The GOP is playing a losing hand and they don’t have the native intelligence to see the voters aren’t falling for it this time. 3 lost seats and they are still clueless.
Posted by: korey | May 16, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Obama already has the REPUBS ready for action! The Democratic Party should know better…Obama is an easy target for the REPUBS. His minimal experience will be viewed as naivity. AND here comes BIDEN to defend rookie Obama. Seriously, the guy (Obama) has had his wife, Oprah, Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson, Edwards, and now Biden to come to his aid. No wonder Carville made that comment about Hillary having more “cahones” than him.
Posted by: Darla | May 16, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Padraic — So whos side are YOU fighting on? Doesn’t sound like you care much for the US. Are you one of those infiltrators?
Posted by: Hoosier Mark | May 16, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Why is obama “appalled” about something he said? He is contradicting himself. Barak Hussein Obama has to explain to the people what he meant when he said he would meet with Leaders of countries that promote terrorism. Simple as that.
Posted by: Maria | May 16, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
The real three stooges creaated more laughs..
Than these three stooges…
Posted by: zorar | May 16, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Former State Department official James P. Rubin told CNN today that he had a 2006 interview with McCain who said the US would inevitably have to deal with Hamas. Rubin said Republican criticism now of similar statements by Obama was “the ultimate flip-flop in American politics.” I’d like to see a debate.
Posted by: undecided | May 16, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
people who live in glass houses should not throw stones, especially if one of your ancestors, prescott bush was hitlers banker. so he has first hand knowledge of appeasement.
Posted by: marty | May 16, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Obama is acting like a spoiled kindergartner struggling to be the big boy on the playground but who is actually the first to cry and yell for the teacher when someone looks at him cross-eyed.
Weak. Inexperienced. Incompetent. Obama ‘08
Posted by: Jack | May 16, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Obama should get off the campaign trail and take some time to grow up before he decides to run for President.
That job is for big people, not cry babies. Why did he assume that Bush was referring to him?
I am so sick of him, and I pray that we do not have to live through four years of his whining.
Posted by: Black neocon | May 16, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Bush’s statements were accurate. We can learn a lot from history. Hitler was allowed to steam roll all over Europe due to appeasement. It was Great Britain with the United States help (first with lend lease of US made equipment and then with all out participation after we were attacked at Pearl Harbor) that stood up and turned back Hitler. Who does Obama thinks he is that he can ask for debates when he hasn’t been elected as the Democratic nominee yet. Sounds like another steam roller type to me. Count all the votes! Join Operation Turndown and Clinton Supporters Count Too to protect America! Demand that the corporate owned mainstream media investigate the alarming issues and associates tied to the Obama’s which are documented on the web. investigatebarackobama.blogspot.com
Posted by: Michigander | May 16, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
hot4real
South Africans ANC supports the african dictators like Magabee. They have refused i repeat REFUSED to help Zimbabwe out when they are being starved to death and repressed. Even after this last Election they never said a word to try and get the results out etc.. I actually wouldnt mind them staying on the Terrorist Watchlist for a while yet until they show they are for all the people of Africa, not just the black man.
Now to Barrack Obama, you really need to toughen up. you say whatever you want about bush and mccain, but as soon as you (think) something is said about you (it wasnt by the way) you cry foul. i really think you are toast now, you are such a weak candidate now and i think Hillary would have done much better then you in the GE.
Posted by: louise | May 16, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
The statement is appalling if one possesses the appalling intention to appease for peace. Look at what President Carter did a month or so ago. The Dems remained quiet about his trip to Palestine and Syria. The WH and State Department explicitly disapproved it. The Dems’s silence gave Pres. Carter tacit approval and now they feel defensive about President’s Bush observation.
Recall President Reagan was a Democrat at one time. I just wish that Hillary will come to the conclusion that she and Democrats have parted way. She only has to become an independent and builds up a new party for the fair minded hard working Americans – black, white and all the shades in between.
Posted by: esvida | May 16, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Why we should’nt be voting for OBAMA. These 2 reasons speak a lot of his Integrity, Judgement and Core Knowledge of our economic issues aside from Wright, Bitter Comments, Rezko, Ayers, Nafta and Iraq Troop Withdrawal Hypocrycies, etc.:
Obama Helped Supporters Get Millions in Illinois State Business http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/comments?type=story&id=4861699
OBAMA WAS WRONG ON GAS TAX. HE IS STUPID ON APPLIED ECONOMICS.
http://www.reuters.com/article/blogBurst/politics?type=politicsNews&w1=B7ovpm21IaDoL40ZFnNfGe&w2=B7tmRCRJt2YFzDsa7MJ1CblL&src=blogBurst_politicsNews&bbPostId=BCPU7bksptwDCz3q7RHPh1SBUAzSrY29vwGiB3iLrNpLtd9D&bbParentWidgetId=B94DflL2bLsuzDPLZYiSAqaT
Posted by: HIllaryTheChosenOne | May 16, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Experienced, accomplished men and women usually do have a lot to answer for. And it is pure folly for a lightweight newcomer with a paper-thin stack of accomplishments and no foreign policy experience to demand an accounting.
Posted by: foutsc | May 16, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Here is an example of McCain’s hypocrisy and distortions that you right-wing zealots an choke on!!
In an op-ed published Friday in The Washington Post, former Clinton State Department official James Rubin said that McCain, responding to a question in a television interview two years ago about whether U.S. diplomats should be working with the Hamas government in Gaza, said:
“They’re the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy toward Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so … But it’s a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.”
Obama 08!
Posted by: miles1967 | May 16, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
SOme bloggers seem to mistake backchannel negotiating with leaders of terrorist countries and the President negotiating. Bush has never met with Kim of North Korea, the Prez of Iran, Cuba or Venezuala.
And Bez- I don;t care what color Obama is and here is why I will not vote for him:
He’s naive to think he can talk with leaders of terrorist exporting countries and organizations; he will raise taxes for anyone making over 75k, those he considers rich; he will punish business for making profits; he will raise the cap gains tax to over 25% affecting stock, mutual funds, and retirement investments; he will raise the top tax rate to 39%; he will cut the military budget while endangering our security; he will force alternative energy sources to be used thereby raising the cost of energy to the consumer; he does not have international experience; he has served a national office for only 3 years; he says he doesn’t take money from special interests for legislation when he does;he conducts and endorses smear campaigns against his opponents; and he is not trustworthy.
Posted by: john s | May 16, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Talking is not negotiating. Anyone who does not understand the difference needs to grab and use a dictionary. Anyone who engages in misleading ambiguity is either not smart enough to understand what they are doing or they are intentionally misleading people. In other words, they are lying.
Violence is the first resort of the incompetent. Not communicating eventually leads to violence. Sometimes violence is necessary, but violence that is not a necessary last resort is immoral. Anyone who claims to be a Christian and does not understand that should be ashamed. Remember what Jesus said to his followers, “What good does it do you to save your life if you lose your soul in the process.”
I would talk, without conditions, for the following reasons. The only thing not talking to someone guarantees is that communication never occurs. Talking creates an opportunity to actually communicate. Communicating creates an opportunity to actually understand. Understanding creates an opportunity to change behavior. A one in a million chance that talking will do any good is better than the zero chance that comes from not talking. It also provides an opportunity for the other people to look me in the eye and understand that if all other efforts fail, and if they cross certain lines, I will utterly destroy them without hesitation.
Posted by: B K | May 16, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Obama = the false comfort of appeasement. (The truth hurts?) And some of you agree with him. Sad!
Posted by: Hoosier Mark | May 16, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
This is “appalling” yet it is okay for him to demean a professional woman reporter by calling her “sweetie” What a double standard. he cannot take the heat directed at every presidential candidate, but he sure can dish out his telling and revealing his true valuies and attitudes gaffes and expect everyone to accept his “oops” “what I meant was this…”.
Posted by: this election counts | May 16, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Hoosier mark
that wasn’t a debate it was a 45min interview with obama they asked him about things that don’t matter to the voters that is why he doesn’t want to debate anymore.
please tell me agin what it is you want to know on the 23rd debate??
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
appeasement a bush family traciton
hitler
bin laden family
saudi royal family
Posted by: marty | May 16, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
But the big questions remain unanswered that cut to the core of Obama’s credibility, character and judgment:
Mr. Obama, if you truly believe in a united America and are “post racial,” why for the last 25 years have you aligned yourself and your family with the hateful, anti-America, anti-white, anti-semitic rhetoric of Jeremiah Wright and Black Liberation Theology?
Mr. Obama, if you are truly the great uniter, why have you donated tens of thousands of dollars, including $26,000 last year alone, to Jeremiah Wright to further his message of hate and diviseness?
Mr. Obama, why did it take the media and plummeting poll numbers to jolt you out of what can only be described as a racist stupor to address, however inadequately, your association with racism and hate?
Mr. Obama?
Posted by: Ted Beck | May 16, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
OBAMA ROCKS. HE IS LEAGUES ABOVE THE 1950′s atitutude of war mongering Mcain and low IQ Bush.
Mcain’s STEPFORD WIFE may be a dream of 1950′s era men- what with her pain-pill popping to stay unfrazzled/ like a true 1950s housewife –but those days ARE LONG GONE IN THE USA. HOW embarassing to women the world over- a pain pill addicted housewife as first lady.
THE BOTTOM LNE IS the world WANTS PEACE. and the question AMericans should ask is what HAS the USA and Israel been doing in the middle east (to the PALESTINIANS) to get us hated so much.
Posted by: JOJOJO | May 16, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Based on many of the comments here, I would guess many of you haven’t seen the documentary Bush’s War. The president and his administration actually FABRICATED the evidence for the invasion of Iraq. That’s right FABRICATED it!!
The Bush family collaborated with Hitler and the Nazis. In articles over the past 7 years, journalists have likened President Bush to HILTER!
It was the US who trained and armed Osama Bin Laden. It was the US who put the puppet government of Saddam Hussein in place. It was the US who put Noriega in place as the president of Panama. The US puts these crazies into office or collaborates with them and then when the US falls out with them, they become the enemy. And many white folks are so stupid they fall for the racebaiting and fearmongering. This is a small planet. We have to learn to live together.
Oh and in case you didn’t know the Chinese, Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries hold American debt, including the debt that keeps our government running.
Do your research folks. YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED!
Posted by: RealDeal | May 16, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
“America in 2008 is a downright mean country.”
The loud-mouthed, malcontent Michelle Obama certainly would make one wonderful and inspiring first lady. My God.
But never is the millionaire Michelle so eloquent than when she is complaining about her Princeton and Harvard student loans and the cost of ballet lessons for her girls.
Posted by: Toc | May 16, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
I say lets skip the next steps to this race and just get Bush and his people out of Washington NOW.
Posted by: Becky | May 16, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
john
he is a democrat hillarry will raise your taxes too so why vote for her but not obama? if the issues are similar why go 180 degrees and vote for mccain instead of obama???
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Some here feel comfortable calling man like Obama a liar, then turn around and declare support for Bush and Co. Oh, the irony. How do you fit all those conflicting opinions in your heads? Thanks for the laughs, though.
Posted by: Dave | May 16, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Becky; You posted ” say lets skip the next steps to this race and just get Bush and his people out of Washington NOW.” Spoken like a true modern left wing dem. Thanks for showing those true colors!
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
What I’ve seen here justifies the very thought of Americans are just pea-brain idiots who can only spout profanities without doing anything to rectify it, good luck in electing a president(goof?) that will steer USA clear from another Great Depression or WW3
-From the other side of the world-
Posted by: Epic Fail | May 16, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Barack Obama + Jeremiah Wright + Michelle Obama + Louis Farrakhan + HAMAS + Bill Ayers + Bernadine Dohrn + the New Black Panthers Party + MoveOn.Org + Hugo Chavez + Larry Leggis + Micheal Moore, + Black Nationalist Movement + Bill Maher + the Weather Underground etc. etc. etc. =
HARD.
LEFT.
HATE.
Is there a hateful, anti-American person or group left that Obama is not aligned with yet?
Obama and his merry band of hard-left hate will be defeated.
Posted by: Larro | May 16, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
I have always thought that George W. Bush was a major idiot and never voted for him; but he made a valid point yesterday, like it not fellow Democrats! When a world leader is as EXTREME as the President of Iran [yes, as crazy as Hitler], you do NOT waste your breath talking nice to them. To my fellow Democrats that are attempting to compare the President of Iran to the leaders of China and the USSR, please give up your ignorant argument now. The big difference in this case is that those leaders were not completely off their rockers! I agree with Senator Hillary Clinton when she said that it was “beneath the dignity of the President of the US” to sit and talk with EXTREMIST radical leaders; ESPECIALLY with no preconditions set in place, as Barack so strangely believes.
Posted by: PhillyPaul | May 16, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Well, well, well. I see the Bush 20%apologists are out in record numbers today. Spewing, hating, making all kinds of excuses, anything imaginable to justify their “leader’s” actions. And oh boy, do I use the term leader loosely. He couldn’t lead anybody to the little girl’s room. What a complete disgrace and joke he is and is making out of our beloved country.
But I see some of you just love the horrid and unconscionable damage he has done – just so you can crucify (IOW kill) a Democrat. How very honorable of you, heavy on the sarcasm. Bush is a war criminal, you know it, I know it, and the whole world knows it. Yet you just keep on bowing down at the throne of Republican B…S…!
Obama will prove himself to be a great President of these “United” States of America, and it is time you sucked up, got used to it, and showed some respect – or have you altogether forgotten exactly what that means?
Come on people. Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, Greens, this country’s on the edge of the precipice and you seem to want to push it on over. Get with the program and stop being so all-fired destructive.
And, it might help if you did it right away before it is just simply too late.
Posted by: Ellen | May 16, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Bush has made statements very similar, if not identical to what he said the other day.
Of course Obama want to believe that this is all about him. If the shoes fits…
Obama…the great appeaser…he looks weaker by the minute…and he is going to open up his mouth AGAIN…he would do better just to keep his trap shut.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 16, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
He couldn’t, or wouldn’t, stand up to his hate spewing pastor for 20 years, and now he’s going to stand up to Iran? Will he stand by in defiant, silent protest, while terrorists run amok in the world? He is an embarrassment. Will somebody please get that hack off the stage.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
It blows my mind how utterly stupid the vast majority of americans are.
We already negotiate with terrorist countries. Why do you think North Korea is giving up its nuclear weapons??? This world revolves around business and finance. If you can make offers to other sovereign nations who direction you disagree with to “Bring them inline” then you have achieved the ultimate goal if no loss of life occurred. For the idiots on this forum is called “Diplomacy”.
Right now we have a proven idiot who has an IQ less than my dog running our country. This proves just how friggin stupid americans are that they would allow a complete idiot who believes “Fish and People can Co-exist peacefully”. This retard and the republican monkeys who support honestly believe we are at WAR with fish. You are so wrapped up in a WAR we cannot afford your now attacking fish. McCain unfortunately is a good man and I actually like the guy. However due to all you war mongering monkey’s he will never be able to get his more centric ideals verbalized because he would loose your support. Because of this Obama is the only candidate available.
But you guys keep grasping at straws because what REALLY matters to america is the usage of the word “Sweetie”
Seriously… wipe the drool off your chins and try to educate yourselves I am tired of paying for your stupidity.
Posted by: TimL | May 16, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
People on this blog who are siding with BUSH on this obviously don’t know what the f*&ck they are talking about. Appeasement means giving up something in order to satisfy the other side. Talking is NOT appeasement, it’s called DIPLOMACY.
This notion that many of you have bought into that the U.S. doesn’t negotiate with terrorists, shows how idiotic you are. Not only have we negotiated with terrorists, we have even HELPED some of them as long as we thought it would benefit the U.S. Can anybody say IRAN-CONTRA? BTW, if any of you knew anything, you’d know the answer to this question: “Who supplied money and arms to Osama bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afghanistan?” You might be surprised with the answer.
Now I know how BUSH got elected to two terms. His citizens don’t know SH*$T!
Posted by: How Dumb Can You Be? | May 16, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
BUSH AND HIS POSSE OUT OF WASHINGTON. ASAP.
Posted by: dean | May 16, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
benij
why are you soooooooo hatefull and what the hell makes you think obamas wife is ugly
oh man when you are ready to talk aobut issues than you can talk to me
HITLER WOWOWOWOWOW you are a sad person to bring out the name of a person that killed millions and millions of peopl
BENIJ BENIJ SAD SAD SAD
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
McCain or Clinton would do the right thing in Iraq…you just cannot trust Obama…
Just wait until the “whitey” Michelle video comes out….
The heat is on Obama…finally…
Posted by: memyselfandI | May 16, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
I love when the panty waste gets all upset. He says things and screws up royaly.
He said many times he would talk with terroist.
A debate w00t Obama always screws up in debates.
Posted by: seah | May 16, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
The media wants again protects Obama since they are in the tank for him. They want to shove Obama down our throat. I’m glad people are seeing right through Obama. In July of 2007 Obama was asked if he would engage without preconditions, on CNN Texas debate with Hillary was again asked the same thing & on his website he says clearly..”I would sit down WITHOUT any preconditions with Iran & Cuba. Obama is weak in foreign policy & I’ll rather suffer economic than be attacked by terrorist. My childrens safety is my number 1 concern and voting for Hillary or McCain will make me feel safe to vote for in the general election.
Posted by: Mary | May 16, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Blacks are championed for voting their race, while whites who vote for anyone other than Obama are scorned and labled “racist.”
It won’t work, Obama cheerleaders.
As an old school Black Nationalist, Obama has as much chance of being elected as a Klansman.
Posted by: Derrick | May 16, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Was McCain Willing to Meet With Hamas?
New ABC story and headline on other sites. Looks like “No Brain McSame” is going to start feeling the heat for being a hypocrite and a liar like his daddy Shrub.
OBAMA, Your next POTUS! Deal with it.
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Wasn’t there only 3 face-to-face debates between Hillary and Obama? And apparently another debate wouldn’t have hurt as Obama’s supporters don’t even know what he has said or his positions.
Why do the media and other democrats need to circle and protect Obama? It is getting creepy. He isn’t even the nominee. There is a better nominee you know.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Obama turned down debates with Hillary because she is so much smarter than him. Now he wants to debate Mccain because he knows that Mccain is no debater. What an arrogant ass Obama is. Im surprised that he is still walking around.
Posted by: benjie | May 16, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
I will certainly enjoy the RNC going after Obama. It will be nice not to have Hillary blamed for everything negative that comes out about Obama.
Posted by: this election counts | May 16, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
omg…Obama talking it up right now…he is just rambling…and TRYING to explain away what he said before…
While I agree that Bush got us into this mess…it will take a great leader to get us out…and Obama just does not fit the bill.
As much as I despise George W, I do admire and respect McCain and trust that he would do the right thing.
Posted by: An Independent | May 16, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Astrology Prediction: President Hillary Clinton
Year of the RAT prediction (Chinese Astrology)
Hilary Clinton will be the next US President. When she sees a rat, she will scream with tears in her eyes. Women will give her their votes because they also scream when they see a rat. Men will also give her their votes because they want to protect the fair sex
If she doesn’t get the Nomination, she should run Independent and she will win the White House
People wake! Women gather up with your husbands to rally behind Hillary Clinton. She’s the REAL HOPE that America needs to bring about REAL CHANGE towards peace and prosperity. She’s the only qualified candidate that can bring back the glory of the 90′s during Clinton Administartion.
Posted by: HIllaryTheChosenOne | May 16, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
an old school Black Nationalist.
Been watching a little to much False News I see.
Ignorance is alive and well in America.
PS I’ll bet you don’t even know what a Black Nationalist is. Hurry up, Google it you tool.
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
I cannot believe they are all so “outraged” about what Bush said. Yet when Obama sticks his foot in his mouth and he is supposed to be brilliant (no one has ever accused Bush of even being smart) – it is swept aside as “silly”.
Posted by: this election counts | May 16, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Obama cannot handle debates…he always loses. Unless a speech is written for him, he can’t process thoughts. His response is…”uhhh….ummmm……uhhhh….ahhhh….umm….I agree with Mrs. Clinton.”
Go figure, empty suit, no substance = Obama!
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Scared little boys carry around big guns… big words with nothing substantial.. that is Bush…a scared little boy and all those americans hating ‘muslims’ without differentiating the radicals vs. the religion (which isn’t my favorite, but there’s plenty of good humble practicing muslims around… bout as honest and above board as many Christians I know)… but I don’t think our government is being run by any of those good guys… big guns, big words… heck, we need to let Iraq pay for its own country and Sudan defend its own country they are both spitting money out of those oil wells…. do we need to negotiated with them?… doesn’t mean we will agree does it?… I guess if you are a scared little boy, negotiating means you’ll be overwhelmed and not be able to see it to the other side of the diplomatic table… I don’t see that happening to Obama.. the man is sharp, clear headed and, has been on target with all the policy that’s been shown to be good for America… now Bush’s policy has been screwed up and costly… McCain, heck let’s wait till he stops spinning stories from all different angles and decides what is his position… he doesn’t know yet, suppose he hasn’t been told yet… some hero, huh?…. geesh! Grow up boys… or we’ll send Hillary after you!
Posted by: origood | May 16, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
How Dumb posted :Also, those on here bashing Obama are idiots just like that Kevin James moron who got embarrassed on “Hardball with Chris Matthews” the other day. They talk out of their asses without knowing what the hell they are talking about
OMG, he was hysterical to the point of needing to be tranquilized like a rapid animal needs. It was so pitiful, I almost cried for him (almost). His eyes rolled up into his head, he ranted like a raving lunatic, and I think Chris was hoping somebody with a straightjacket would just come running out from the shadows and take him away before he hurt himself or someone.
If this is typical of the rabid right, may the good Lord help us all.
Posted by: Ellen | May 16, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Aaron….as for your “artwork”…..how would your guy Obama put it: “Typical” Obama supporter!
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
McCain or Clinton would do the right thing in Iraq…you just cannot trust Obama…
Just wait until the “whitey” Michelle video comes out….
The heat is on Obama…finally…
Posted by: memyselfandI
—-
You sound like my mom when I was a child “You coulda been dead in a ditch” “Someone coulda Kidnapped you!!”
How much more sensationalist crap are you going to spout out of your mouth? Your an idiot… People who think like you are idiots.. And unfortunately the vast majority of voting americans are complete and total idiots just like you. And because of this we get an idiot for a president.
It is more important that POTUS is a cool guy to have a beer with than a guy who can actually finish one Fcking sentence without stuttering or using completely incorrect words.
Seriously you fcking morons just stay the hell home this voting season so people with brains can actually fix this dung heap bush has made of the US.
Posted by: TimL | May 16, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
jpmbc — miles1967 — You mentioned McCain said someone should talk with Hamas. He was refering to sending in low-level diplomats to keep communications open. Obama wants to sit down himself with leaders of terrorist countries with NO preconditons. BIG difference! Obama doesnt have a clue!
Posted by: Hoosier Mark | May 16, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
You people are all hypocrites. First you complain when Obama wants to pull out of war saying “we’re too soft”. Then when he wants to start a fight you cry “oh he’s gonna start world war 3″.
For all you McCain supporters, how can you want a president who will stick his neck out for you, and then vote for a guy who has no neck?
Posted by: Methuselah | May 16, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Hahahaha…if Obama is elected our country will look SO weak…it is kind of scary..
We need some moderation since Bush, but pleeeeeze…let’s not go overboard.
NoObama
Posted by: James | May 16, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
I think the real Obama just stood up. And I think most are hoping he will sit down…I know I am.
Posted by: vb | May 16, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
susan
you can speak for yourself but i am an obama support and i support him because of his issues, i was a hillary supporter becase she was a women once i learned the issues and the way they act on their campain i chose obama. so don’t say obama supporters don’t know where he stad.
i have seen enough debate.
why can’t anyone who is bashing obama can’t tell me why they woould like to see 23rd debate.
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
susan
you can speak for yourself but i am an obama support and i support him because of his issues, i was a hillary supporter becase she was a women once i learned the issues and the way they act on their campain i chose obama. so don’t say obama supporters don’t know where he stad.
i have seen enough debate.
why can’t anyone who is bashing obama can’t tell me why they woould like to see 23rd debate.
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Indeed the two do have a lot to answer for, in fact before a grand jury in a criminal trial. But who is going to do it?
Posted by: asdgetwhy | May 16, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
mPCT – “naive on foreign policy” Now, there’s a laugh. President Bush and the neocons have done more to position Iran and as a powerbroker in the Middle East than anyone could possibly imagine. And, they have opened the door in Iraq for a lot of dangerous mischief by al Queda.
Posted by: 63tango | May 16, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Obama the Great…appeaser..
Look at him sweat at this news conference…
Will this be our next President…please say NO Obama
Posted by: politics suck | May 16, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
TimL — Sounds like the pressure of an Obama loss in Nov is getting to you, better go take your meds!
Posted by: MDB311 | May 16, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Guilty dog barks the loudest.Listen too Obama holle.
Posted by: John Clark | May 16, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Democrats (Hillary supporters) & Republicans are not blind to see who Obama, Carter, Dean & Pelosi really are. We could care less of Bush BUT he is correct in how some Democrats have engaged in meeting with terrorist or has outspoken about it. What did Carter get out of meeting with Hamas & don’t you guys remember that both parties urged Carter not to sit down with a terrorist? Do you guys even remember that this past weekend, Obama’s foreign advisor met with Hamas a couple of times and it was discovered just in recent days? Obama fired him and acted surprise? Of course since the media is in the tank for Obama, it wasn’t covered. Why isn’t CNN playing the clip of Obama saying that he would meet with any leader without preconditions?
Posted by: Mary | May 16, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Posted by: TimL | May 16, 2008 2:11:23 PM
Excellent post. Their ignorance makes me want to fricking scream sometimes. I guess Shrubs “Dumbing Down of America” has paid off for the Repugs.
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
It is wonderful to see the DNC coming together, all of one purpose… to take back the white house for Americans… enough of the idiots with cotton candy for mouths… we can handle someone smarter than us, huh?… sometimes the country gets in over its head… like now… and we gotta take it back from the idiots who make us feel smart… if we knew the real rulers of the country, we’d probably feel pretty darned stupid though, wouldn’t we?… but we don’t… and more than anything we need the straight talk, trust and courage to face the future as a united country of many colors and faiths… Obama is a great leader… do not be a fool for the idiots the GOP send out with the blanket propaganda… listen with your heart and your head… read, think and do the right thing this time.
Posted by: origood | May 16, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
The last time that I checked, the meak haven’t inherited the earth. A wimp in the whitehouse is not going to bring about world peace.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Speaking with real, imagined or perceived enemies is neither negotiations nor appeasement. Heck, we talked with the Soviet Union, publicly, privately and on back channels. Was that appeasement?
Posted by: JACK FENNESSY | May 16, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Any one who even tries to rationalize Bush-McCain foerign policy madness is no less an idiot than these two clowns.
In 7 short years, George Bush and John McCain have done everything to reduce a once mighty armed force to a whimp! Yes a whimp with less than 25% of the armed forces at more than 50% readiness!!! This at a time China and Russia are increasing the stregnt of their own forces and growing more beligrant.
These are some of the failures of George Bush and John McCain :
1.Bin Laden is still roaming the earth, free.
2.Hammas now rules half of the Palestinian territories
3.Iraq is completley unstable
4. Iran gets closer to an atomic bomb
5. Iran has no counter-force in the region
6. America’s approval rating in the world is in the toilet
7. America is now rated bellow Iran as a threat to the world
8. Oil prices are 4 times what they were in 2000.
9. A gallon of gasoline now costs $4!!!
10. Isreal is no more safer now that it was 7 years ago
11. The US is no more safer now that it was 7 years ago
12. Abu Guraib / Guantanamo are others are now blights on America’s conscience.
13. America failed to lead in combating the greatest threat to humanity: Global warming.
And the list goes on.
Mc Frankeistein Caian and Geoigie boy are one and the same old ranting clowns and have no place in the public discourse.
Posted by: Jake | May 16, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Most of the people blogging here are not right wingers..
We just do not trust Obama to hold our highest elected office..
WEAK, NAIVE, INEXPERIENCED, EMPTY…hmmm..doesn’t seem like Obama is all that much different than Bush actually.
We need McCain if we can’t get Clinton.
Posted by: Love the USA | May 16, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
all you who hate obama i guess you will have a president who you hate in 2008
OBAMA 08
OBAMA 08
OBAMA 08
OBAMA 08
OBAMA 08
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Obama’s arrogant and dismissive attitude attempts unsuccessfully to mask the very real concerns that a growing number of Americans have about a man with a very short resume, few legislative accomplishments, no military experience, no record as a change agent and an ever more hypocritical campaign.
Obama is bad, bad news for America.
Posted by: Jot | May 16, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
“Prescott – Oh God man, the left wings needs to let THAT one go!”
It’s not the left wing, it’s the holocaust survivors, Phil, that cannot let Prescott Bush go. And Prescott’s involvement was not THAT long ago, there are some alive that still remember and will never forget.
Posted by: Palomita | May 16, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Obama sat with Rev Wright for 20 years and there is zero evidence sitting with Wright changed Wright’s mind about anything.
Just more anti-American rants and tirades.
But Obama believes he can share tea and cookies in the White House with no pre-conditions and all the terrorists are going to weep and denounce their plans to kill and hate.
Sorry, not seeing it. No change in Wright. No change in terrorists.
The DNC has lost my vote by supporting this empty suit and his far left liberal platforms.
At least Hamas had endorsed Obama!
Posted by: Martin | May 16, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
You just stated on your noon News a outright lie….you said President Bush said “the democrat’s” running for president said they would appease…He never clarified ‘anyone by name’ or definition….of course if the shirt fits….!! You just mislead the public by putting your definition to his words…and you wonder why we know your polital side….this is so obvious and wrong!!!!!!!!!! when did you get the right to rewrite the news to favor your view?? and you wonder why we have lost total repect for your station…
Posted by: billie | May 16, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
The Saudi’s funded all the radical fundamentalist Islamic schools that trained the Jihadists. Bush talks to them, or should I says, begs them for more oil to feed America’s addiction. Who’s talking to terrorists?
Bush is a dangerous idiot. McCain knew that in 2000 and still, has backed him all the way. Time for a change folks.
Posted by: thebob.bob | May 16, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Democrats have no choice but to pretend tthat Wright, Ayers, Bittergate, etc. etc. etc.
You’re stuck. Obama duped you.
It’s the rest of the country who won’t move on from the fact that a guy who thinks he should be president has aligned himself with a hack like Wright who believes, for example, there is a cognitive difference between how blacks and whites think and learn.
This is reminiscent of the propaganda the Nazi Party created to supposedly demonstrate a cognitive difference between Jews and non-Jews.
And like the Nazis, Wright is using this hogwash as an excuse to spew racist hate while Barry and Michelle sit clapping and cavorting in the pews.
This Wright is one crazy, hateful, strange, vile dude. And Obama has maintained a close, 25-year relationship with this buffoon.
Un. Freaking. Believable. Talk about flawed judgment.
Posted by: Jeff | May 16, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
How anyone can possibly believe that Obama is the person who can “change” anything is just beyond me.
Guess I must be too uneducated to read his mind about what that “change” would be.
Hamas would LOVE to have Obama at the Prez of the US…
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 16, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
jpmbc — miles1967 — You mentioned McCain said someone should talk with Hamas. He was refering to sending in low-level diplomats to keep communications open. Obama wants to sit down himself with leaders of terrorist countries with NO preconditons.
And? Is there a problem with that? Remember Ronald Regan and a place called Russia? Remember that?
Here’s $5.00. Now run off and get yourself an, “Edgeamacation”.
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Obama will run this country in the ground..he has no place in America politics..DNC please realize that Obama is a poison for this country and i hope the supers are watching and listening..Obama is a joke, and Hillary suppporters, a lot of us anyway, will be voting Mccain if Obama is anywhere on the ticket..same goes for Edwards now
Posted by: ryan | May 16, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Obama only duped 1/2 of the Democratic Party
Posted by: memyselfandI | May 16, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
The finger artwork is excellent. It looks exactly like Obama’s when he subtly flipped it to Americans.
Posted by: esvida | May 16, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Grow up, Barack. Not everything is about you.
Posted by: Sam | May 16, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
GOOD POST, ESVIDA!
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Oh my gosh, this guy is out of his league and sounds like an idiot. He’s trying to pretend he knows and he comes off shrill and ignorant.
NObama
Hillary or McCain
Posted by: Melanie | May 16, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
The Gall after his family history:
WASHINGTON — President Bush’s grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, government documents show.
Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.
Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism.
–snip–
Both Harrimans and Bush were partners in the New York investment firm of Brown Brothers, Harriman and Co., which handled the financial transactions of the bank as well as other financial dealings with several other companies linked to Bank voor Handel that were confiscated by the U.S. government during World War II.
Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.
Oh, but there is much more too:
The two Holocaust survivors suing the US government and the Bush family for a total of $40bn in compensation claim both materially benefited from Auschwitz slave labour during the second world war, Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier on the grounds that the government cannot be held liable under the principle of “state sovereignty”.
I cannot think of one Democrat who can boast this kind of lineage. Can you? No, I don’t think so. But you can lie brazenly and attack a sitting US Senator on foreign soil by comparing him to Nazi sympathizers? Let us continue down memory lane to help those who applaud you understand just what it is they are celebrating.
The All American Traitor
You family did not stop with supporting fascists and Nazis abroad, did they Mr. Bush? Surely you must know of your grandfather’s role in the treasonous plot of 1933 to overthrow democracy in America? Let me remind you.
Grandpa Bush – that is to say, your grandfather – wanted fascism imported into the United States, or as you now call this type of transformation, “exporting democracy.” Prescott went so far as to subsidize a coup attempt in order to achieve his dream of a fascist America (see BBC report below):
Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by right-wing American businessmen. The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression. Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American
In other words, not only was your grandfather a self-professed fascist, he was a Nazi sympathizer and a war profiteer who should have stood trial at the Hague instead of buying his way into the US Senate. He was also a traitor, twice over.
Now clearly the crimes of Prescott Bush are not your fault, Mr. George W. Bush. Let us therefore judge your actions and words on their own merit.
Posted by: thea2b | May 16, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
David from Texas, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/exclusive-video-mccain-wa_n_102031.html Exclusive Video: McCain Was For Talking To Hamas Before He Was Against It…
and while you’re at it…
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10375.html
and when you’re done with that…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/15/AR2008051503306_pf.html
which is titled…
Hypocrisy on Hamas – McCain Was for Talking Before He Was Against It
It’s okay if you’re behind. Most of the press hasn’t picked these stories up just yet.
Posted by: kravitz | May 16, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Obama can’t even protect himself from his racist and anti-American wife and pastor, how’s he going to protect the American people from terrorists? Oh yeah, that’s right, he’s going to have a nice chat over tea with them.
Chatting with terrorists is nothing new for Obama. His assortment of personal friendships, dinner buddies, and well documented ties with Hamas, Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) member, Rashid Khalidi, Weatherman terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, et al, give him the unrivaled experience he needs to place America in the greatest peril we’ve known in decades.
NEVER VOTE OBAMA.
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Jot,
What Millitary experience does George Bush have? : He dodged oversea posting by virtue of his father’s connection.
What about John Mc Cain? (He cooled his heels in the enemy’s jail like a traitor! for 5 years while others were getting killed!!!)
So tell me, what Millitary experience are you talking about?
Posted by: Jim | May 16, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
bez – the reason why we would like to see Obama debate is because he sweats, studders, and looses. He talks about change but what change? What details about Washington? He wants to unify both partys to come together when the record shows that he had plenty opportunities to work with Republicans and he refused. Facts show that McCain and Hillary has worked with both parties, and that is the change we need. Both parties have to come together to get things done in the White House. Yes, Bush has made plenty of mistakes but he doesn’t stand alone, Pelosi along with congress are plenty at fault. We need a leader that can bring both parties to accomplish what needs to be done, and I can definately say it’s not Obama!
Posted by: Mary | May 16, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
But Ryan…don’t you know that you be accused of not being a “True” Democrat?
When, I as woman, blog about it being either Hillay or McCain, I get the abortion issue thrown out at me…
This is MORE than party politics…this is choosing the BEST and most CAPABLE leader…and Obama isn’t even close to fitting the bill.
Posted by: memyselfandI | May 16, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Let us not forget that Mr.Bush and his party lied to get us into this war. This war is for profiting the oil companies. Ever wonder how these people can sleep? How do we face the families of more than four thousand of our soldiers who sacrificed their lives? Can Mr. Bush really look them in the eye and tell them he invaded Iraq to protect us?
Posted by: worldsam | May 16, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
COME ON OREGAN, LETS GET OUT AND VOTE FOR HILLARY,
HER ISSUES ARE SO CLEAN WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO FOR OUR COUNTRY,
HER HEALTH CARE IS AFFORDABLE AND COVERS EVERYONE OBAMA WILL LEAVE 15, MILLION OUT, JUST CHECK THE FACT CHEC.ORG HER AFFORDABLE COLLAGE, AND HOW SHE WILL DISMESS THE DEEBT COMPETELY, ECONOMY THEY SAID SHE WAS THE BEST ON THAT SUBJECT, WELL OBAMA PICKED UP HER SPEECHES ON THAT AND HELPING THE VETERANS, CLEAN ENERGY, SHE WAS THE FIRST OF THE TWO TO BRING OUT THE SUBSTANCE OF ALL THESE ISSUES, PRE K SCHOOL, FOR YOUNG CHILDREN, END THE WAR, IN IRAQ, OBAMA SAID HE NEVER VOTED FOR THE WAR HE WAS NOT IN THE SENATE TO VOTE, AFTERWARDS HE SUPPORTED THE WAR. EVERYONE KNOW WHERE HILLARY, STANDS ON ALL ISSUES, WHO REALLY KNOWS OBAMA. THE MEDIA HAS PUT OBAMA ON A PEDESTAL
AND HAS NOT BEEN THAT GOOD TO HILLARY, A COUPLE HAS LIKE MORNING JOE, HE HAS BEEN GREAT. PLEASE LISTEN TO HILLARY AND COMPARE THEIR MESSAGES, SHE WILL WORK HARD FOR ALL OF US. AND FIGHT TO GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK
Posted by: HIllaryTheChosenOne | May 16, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
martin, don’t pretend to be a democrat when you are a rush limbaugh listener. There are a bunch of those on here. Only about 8 months left to put up with the bush-league. It’s about time we get some pros in there. Let’s go from the “worst-in-history” to the “Best in the Future”. Obama 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | May 16, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
With each passing day the “magic” of Saint Obama is washing away and being replaced by the reality of a smug, smirking con man.
Obama and hard left will lose the election and destroy the Democratic Party. Keep watching.
Posted by: Jeff | May 16, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
COME ON OREGAN, LETS GET OUT AND VOTE FOR HILLARY,
HER ISSUES ARE SO CLEAN WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO FOR OUR COUNTRY,
HER HEALTH CARE IS AFFORDABLE AND COVERS EVERYONE OBAMA WILL LEAVE 15, MILLION OUT, JUST CHECK THE FACT CHEC.ORG HER AFFORDABLE COLLAGE, AND HOW SHE WILL DISMESS THE DEEBT COMPETELY, ECONOMY THEY SAID SHE WAS THE BEST ON THAT SUBJECT, WELL OBAMA PICKED UP HER SPEECHES ON THAT AND HELPING THE VETERANS, CLEAN ENERGY, SHE WAS THE FIRST OF THE TWO TO BRING OUT THE SUBSTANCE OF ALL THESE ISSUES, PRE K SCHOOL, FOR YOUNG CHILDREN, END THE WAR, IN IRAQ, OBAMA SAID HE NEVER VOTED FOR THE WAR HE WAS NOT IN THE SENATE TO VOTE, AFTERWARDS HE SUPPORTED THE WAR. EVERYONE KNOW WHERE HILLARY, STANDS ON ALL ISSUES, WHO REALLY KNOWS OBAMA. THE MEDIA HAS PUT OBAMA ON A PEDESTAL
AND HAS NOT BEEN THAT GOOD TO HILLARY, A COUPLE HAS LIKE MORNING JOE, HE HAS BEEN GREAT. PLEASE LISTEN TO HILLARY AND COMPARE THEIR MESSAGES, SHE WILL WORK HARD FOR ALL OF US. AND FIGHT TO GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK
Posted by: HIllaryTheChosenOne | May 16, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Palomita: Jeeeeez, now since Bush’s grandfather sat on a board of a bank he’s now responsible for the Holocaust? I think that type of thinking is why so many people have a problem with leftists. EVERYTHING is Bush’s fault, down to the weather. Raining? Bush’s fault. Then it moves beyond Bush to America. In the leftist view, everything that is bad in the world is because of America. “life is not good: we’re a divided country, we’re a country that is “just downright mean,” we are “guided by fear,” we’re a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents. “We have become a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Are the reporters in the audience in the tank for Obama?
Seems he is only picking women to ask the questions…maybe he thinks they will be less tough on him…
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 16, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
David from Texas Hearts Bush!!! Heh.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 16, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
To try and deflect the impact of the hateful Wright, the Obama Pom Squad likes to mention Hagee, Falwell, etc..
If Falwell or Hagee has been the pastor and close friend of a presidential candidate for the 25 years, it’s a campaign issue because it speaks to the judgment and character of that candidate.
If Falwell/Hagee married the candidate and his or her wife, it’s a campaign issue.
If Falwell/Hagee baptized the candidate’s children, it’s an issue.
However, if Falwell, Hagee or another controversial preacher has merely endorsed a candidate, big deal. Obama CHOSE to spend the last 25 years aligned with the hateful Wright and the Black Nationalist movement.
Big, big difference between a voluntary 25-year relationship and being the recipient of one of thousands of endorsements for president.
Nice try, but sorry, Obama cheerleaders. Keep swinging.
Posted by: Barry Luvs Jerry | May 16, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
It is interesting how different perception can be from reality. The Republicans are perceived to be the party that is strong on defense and better for the economy but the facts clearly show otherwise.
Since Bush has taken office the US has become far less safe. By invading Iraq we have overextended our military and allowed Iran and Korea to do as they pleased, knowing that we didn’t have the troops to respond. By invading Iraq we pushed Iran and Korea into going nuclear. Both countries felt they were next on our list of countries to be invaded, and both knew that the only way to defend against a US invasion was to have nuclear weapons.
By a fairly simple statistical analysis it is clear that the national dept increases dramatically during times of republican control. Even the Wall Street Journal has stated that simple fact.
I am not a Democrat or a Republican. I am no peace activist, in fact I am an ex USAF B-52 pilot, but the facts are what they are. Did Obama say he would talk with leaders of counties that the US doesn’t like, yes. Is that the same as appeasing, I can’t see how it would be. If as a result of these talks Obama were to allow Hamas to develop WMD. or take over the middle east, that would be appeasing.
My son just did a report on the Hungarian revolution of 1957, and it reminded me that what the US and allies did following WW2, that was appeasing. We allowed the Soviet Union to take a huge bunch of countries and enslave their populations. Clearly nobody learned anything about appeasing dictators from WW2. I don’t think the problem was that we were talking to Stalin, but rather that we were allowing him to the terrible things that he wanted to do. The Allies needed to tell Stalin that he could not “have” Eastern Europe and all the “Stan” counties.
I don’t think that the Democrats are any weaker or less interested in protecting the US than the Republicans are. I do think that the Bush Republicans are much more likely to do something really stupid and expensive, and unfunded, than Obama or Clinton. McCain is living in some distant past where wars were “winnable”, like WW2. There is no possible way that the US can win a war in Iraq. There are so many countries with an interest in our not prevailing in Iraq that we would literally have to be there for a hundred years.
Posted by: captbilly | May 16, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Empty suit. Empty brain.
Go work you magic on your friend Louis Farrakhan and his rants against Israel.
Go work your magic on your anti-American wife.
Go work your magic with terrorist Ayers. You asked for his political support. He donated to you. You worked with him. Yet, terrorist Ayers was pictured standing on the American flag.
Go work your magic on your hateful church which was laughing and dancing over the 9/11 attacks.
No magic with the nuts he is friends with. No evidence. No change.
Hillary supporter for McCain.
Posted by: Janet | May 16, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
I know we can all join MCsame and look into his crystal ball and follow the same bush policies that has gotten us nowhere in 7 years other than a recission high food prices soaring gas prices, seems to me you are just a bunch of p offed republicans that know things are about to change!!! talk about a bunch of cry babies boo hoo
Posted by: angie | May 16, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Astrology Prediction: President Hillary ClintonYear of the RAT prediction (Chinese Astrology) Hilary Clinton will be the next US President. When she sees a rat, she will scream with tears in her eyes. Women will give her their votes because they also scream when they see a rat. Men will also give her their votes because they want to protect the fair sex If she doesn’t get the Nomination, she should run Independent and she will win the White House. People WAKE UP! Women, I urge you to gather up with your husbands to rally behind Hillary Clinton. She’s the REAL HOPE that America needs to bring about REAL CHANGE towards peace and prosperity. She’s the only qualified candidate that can bring back the glory of the 90′s.
Posted by: HIllaryTheChosenOne | May 16, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Obama supporters who don’t understand how important words are need to get a clue before you damage our country. Obama said he would personally speak with leaders like Achma… (leader of Iran) “without preconditions”. The difference between our president speaking personally to people like this directly or having someone in the State dept. or elsewhere speak to their counterparts in these countries and then work up the chain is the issue. Negotiation at lower levels first. Please try to pick up on these nuances as they make a big difference in discussing and understanding what your self-appointed leader meant and exactly how naive it was.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
He’s up against the big guys. The Democrats are such whiners. One thing about George Bush he stands up for himself.
Posted by: Kathy | May 16, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
IS ANYONE WATCHING THIS NEWS CONFERENCE?
Obama is your articulate, thoughtful choice??? Ummm…ahhhhh…errrr…
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Jim,
Bush had no military experience and more. That should tell you that we can’t have a President that has no experience. Obama has no experience. Stop telling lies about McCain because anyone can go to Factcheck website and see the real facts. McCain is a war hero and has stood up to what he believes in, even when his party disagreed with him. Hillary also has experience from a Senate & as 1st lady. We need experience which we can’t make a mistake again. So should vote for Hillary or McCain. NO OBAMA
Posted by: Mary | May 16, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
If Bush does not believe in talking to terrorists, why is he talking to Saudis ? Bush can’t even get Saudis to pump more oil so that americans can have cheaper gas prices. Bush has been talking to north korea, Libiya , why ?
There is no meaningful coherent foreign policy from current administration.
Posted by: yogi | May 16, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Being from Chicago, I get a laugh out of Obama and his “change” message. Obama is a product of the Daley Machine out of Chicago, one of the oldest and most corrupt political organizations in the history of mankind.
He is new to U.S. Senate, but he is one of the old guard in Illinois along with Daley, Durbin and the other members of the house of thieves.
Obama is no fresh face kid, but a skimmer and scammer of the highest order. The only “change” from Obama we’re seeing is his desire to now trade up his lies for a new job title.
Posted by: Harro | May 16, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
Posted by: HIllaryTheChosenOne
Another Hillary supporter still in denial. It’s over, get over it. She’s toast.
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
IT TOOK OBAMA ALMOST A FULL DAY TO RESPOND BECAUSE HE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY TOLD HIM WHAT TO SAY. NO DOUBT TRAVELS WITH HIS PERSONAL SPEECH WRITER IN TOW AT ALL TIMES.
Posted by: Bill Elliott | May 16, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
IT TOOK OBAMA ALMOST A FULL DAY TO RESPOND BECAUSE HE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY TOLD HIM WHAT TO SAY. NO DOUBT TRAVELS WITH HIS PERSONAL SPEECH WRITER IN TOW AT ALL TIMES.
Posted by: Bill Elliott | May 16, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
I think sitting down and talking to these radical countries is a good thing. Being a new President will have a clean slate to work from. Perhaps theses radicals are the way they are because some Texan Cowboy walks in and tells them what to do and threatens them, with or else statements. Of course these hot heads will push back and say F-You and hate Americans because of the monkey we have as President. I think sitting down talking is a good thing so that we know what they want and they know what we want and everything is on the table. Then we can tell them what we will and will not tolerate. You need to be diplomatic and Bush is far from that. He’s a cowboy. You can be suttle yet firm to ya know.
Posted by: Ruffhouse | May 16, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Maybe Obama feel in 2008 this is were we sit and chat over tea and cookies, sign paper treaties and hope for the best.
We are not living in a age with computer technology is advance, weaponry is advance, everyone want the big bombs finding ways to hide their development of such, so talking does nothing because on the surface they show one face then behind the scene something else is going on.
They will laugh and talk as if all is well and before you know it there is another 9/11 we will have to face, either Obama is just dumb or playing stupid to impress the stop the war crowd.
Posted by: SJ | May 16, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
We are witnessing the world’s first American Idol presidental candidate.
Clay Aiken has nothing on Obama. And how much experience does it take to sing a good song anyway? Obama certainly has as much experience as Abraham Lincoln at singing a song.
Posted by: Junon | May 16, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
This is the kind of ‘inchworm mindset’ that America has come to know and loathe over the last eight years. It seems that the only subscribers to this kind of propaganda, would be those who need the counsel/guidance of a washed-up ‘crippled shepherd of misguided sheep’, who is on his way out the door.. like McCain and the Republicans.
Posted by: Bravo Encore | May 16, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
It is wonderful to see the DNC coming together, all of one purpose… to take back the white house for Americans… enough of the idiots with cotton candy for mouths… we can handle someone smarter than us, huh?… sometimes the country gets in over its head… like now… and we gotta take it back from the idiots who make us feel smart… if we knew the real rulers of the country, we’d probably feel pretty darned stupid though, wouldn’t we?… but we don’t… and more than anything we need the straight talk, trust and courage to face the future as a united country of many colors and faiths… Obama is a great leader… do not be a fool for the idiots the GOP send out with the blanket propaganda… listen with your heart and your head… read, think and do the right thing this time.
Posted by: origood | May 16, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Many Republicans selectively forget that Reagan met with arch enemy Gorbachev of the Soviet Union as did Nixon with China. In fact Reagan supplied Iran some arms for the hostages when he first got into office. Moreover, the Republicans sold many weapons to Iraq, after all there are photos of Rummy with Saddam. Furthermore, in WWII we marched thru Europe bulldozing down buildings until we knew Hitler was dead. Ahhh where is Osama Bin Laden? How about our alleged ally Pakistan. Would the world have accepted the US stopping before the capture of Hitler? No. The fact is the Republicans can not run a war worth anything. Let us get some true leadership. Obama will kick GW and McCain both in a debate, after all he did beat the Clintons the most powerful political team in the world.
Posted by: Greg McDonald | May 16, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
in my state, there is a broad majority supporting Barack Obama for president. the people’s choice includes every class, race, religion, & income level – both republican & democrat. we believe Barack Obama’s policies will generate respect, stability, & prosperity for America. we are proud of Barack Obama!
Posted by: lawrence2xl | May 16, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
After reading through this entire list, I found I’ve actually learned something: if you want informed, thoughtful content, this is the wrong place to look. Most of those who have posted here should read a little history, do a little independent thinking, and think in terms of persuasion rather than invective. That is, unless they just want a fight, not a discourse. If the shoe fits… Bye.
Posted by: First & Last Msg from Me | May 16, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
After reading through this entire list, I found I’ve actually learned something: if you want informed, thoughtful content, this is the wrong place to look. Most of those who have posted here should read a little history, do a little independent thinking, and think in terms of persuasion rather than invective. That is, unless they just want a fight, not a discourse. If the shoe fits… Bye.
Posted by: First & Last Msg from Me | May 16, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Hillary’s done. McCain will LOSE to OBAMA. Now stop whining and get used to OBAMA being your president.
Posted by: Veejay | May 16, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Junon, And much like American Idol it’s not about who’s best or frankly even good. It’s a popularity contest, just like the current presidential race. “Let’s pick Barrack because he’s black and just so darn cute”
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
All of you Mcain supporters are stupid.
flat out stupid.
Posted by: TODD | May 16, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
All of you Mcain supporters are stupid.
flat out stupid.
Posted by: TODD | May 16, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
What is the defination of “Irony.” a demacratic candidate who will not debate the issues with his own party, but challenges another party to debate. educated middle class voters my a–.
Posted by: jimt | May 16, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
What is the defination of “Irony.” a demacratic candidate who will not debate the issues with his own party, but challenges another party to debate. educated middle class voters my a–.
Posted by: jimt | May 16, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
He will stand with the Muslims, he said so in his book. This man is a joke and the good ol’ boys want to make him the POTUS. God help us!
Posted by: Joanne | May 16, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
I didn’t agree with the way any of the politicians are handling the Iran, Syria, North Korea situation. There is absolutely no advantage for us to have Hillary or any other candidate talking about the annihilation of Iran. Iran already knows what would happen if they attack Israel. We sound like idiots running around talking about how we’re going to wipe this country out and wipe that country out. I believe in speaking very softly and carrying a very big stick. There’s no use running around bragging about the stick though. If you have to use it, your enemies will do enough talking about “the stick”. The sad thing is that any politician who points out that minding our own business is best for the American people in a lot of situations, suddenly has everyone calling them “yella”. The truth is that other than protecting corporate interests there is no reason for us to meddle in most of the overseas conflicts we are involved in.
Posted by: Jason Shackelford | May 16, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
How can you consider it being soft to meet with someone to tell them personally “Straighten up and be nice with your neighbours or else I’ll have to kick your butt”?
Isn’t it much more naive and childish to say “I’m not talking to you! I’m not your friend anymore until you play nice!”
Funny to see the president of the US of A acting like a spoiled little brat.
Just a friendly message from Canada :-)
P.s. Oh yeah, I noticed that the first half of the posts are anti-Obama, while the second half is majoritarily pro-Obama. Something smells fishing on this web-page.
Posted by: andyupnorth | May 16, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
Todd….Ahh, the elitist attitude. Remember, when you tar everyone with the same brush, people tend to get upset. Change your words just a tad and you’ll get it (I hope). Change your words to read: “All black people are lazy”. Ponder that for a minute
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
IT TOOK OBAMA ALMOST A FULL DAY TO RESPOND BECAUSE HE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY TOLD HIM WHAT TO SAY. NO DOUBT TRAVELS WITH HIS PERSONAL SPEECH WRITER IN TOW AT ALL TIMES.
Posted by: Bill Elliott | May 16, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
IT TOOK OBAMA ALMOST A FULL DAY TO RESPOND BECAUSE HE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY TOLD HIM WHAT TO SAY. NO DOUBT TRAVELS WITH HIS PERSONAL SPEECH WRITER IN TOW AT ALL TIMES.
Posted by: Bill Elliott | May 16, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
One things for sure. If Hillary were president we wouldn’t have to worry about her meeting with Iran or Hammas or any of those muslim extremist groups.
They’ll never respect a woman leader.
Posted by: JimmyMac | May 16, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Obama is a total IDIOT! So pompous! So Arrogant! He places himself above those who have been involved with this for years…and has NO clue. Maybe he IS the AntiChrist.
Posted by: dexmom | May 16, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
I did find that kind of comical he ran from debates against Hillary but here he is calling McCain out to debate, and on all things national security.
Posted by: SJ | May 16, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Please i will like to ask because i dont really know what this country is turning into. Was Bush not correct??? What is the problem of this country ???? Why can the wicked and unhuman American Press not for one day speak the truth????? Did Carter not negotiate with Hamas????? Did Obama not say that he will meet unconditionally with these terrorist?????? America is stinking. Though Bush may be wrong on some issues but totally not on all. I am a democrat but we must know and really understand what we are saying so that we wont finally bury this country.
Hillary would have been the best choice but since the unreasonable leaders in the party are saying know, I see better things in McCain and he will do bette with this country than just this empty loud sounding drum(Obama).Hillary clearly stated that she will not meet with these people without the necessary conditions in place and she will protect Israel .The DNC will regret their stance in November WE ARE INDEED READY TO VOTE AGAINST THIS STINKING UNREASONABLE PARTY. LORD LET NOVEMBER COME QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: A True black American | May 16, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Frank: Your suggestion that Barack and Michelle Obama “go back where to where they came from” is almost humorous since they are documented US citizens born in America. But if they should go back to the land of their ancestors then if it is only fair and consistent that you and your family go back to the land of your ancestors’ origin which, unless you are a native American (translation= American Indian), that place will not be the USA. And even if you and your family are native Americans, remember their ancestors came to the North American Continent via the land bridge between what is now Russia and America. I respect the free speech part of these bulletin boards and the right to say whatever you please, but if the issue is political, let the posting relate to the subject matter. Frank, take your bigotry and Neoanderthal thinking where it is appreciated and condoned — if you don’t know where these places are, I would recommend you Google white racists, American Nazis, imbeciles, and otherwise degenerates in general. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!
Posted by: CASpeedo | May 16, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Obama will manage to stutter his way into another 9/11. Maybe he’ll advocate a terrorist exchange program, so that his buddy Ayers can learn the latest techniques in terrorism that will enable him to “do more” here at home.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Frank: Your suggestion that Barack and Michelle Obama “go back where to where they came from” is almost humorous since they are documented US citizens born in America. But if they should go back to the land of their ancestors then if it is only fair and consistent that you and your family go back to the land of your ancestors’ origin which, unless you are a native American (translation= American Indian), that place will not be the USA. And even if you and your family are native Americans, remember their ancestors came to the North American Continent via the land bridge between what is now Russia and America. I respect the free speech part of these bulletin boards and the right to say whatever you please, but if the issue is political, let the posting relate to the subject matter. Frank, take your bigotry and Neoanderthal thinking where it is appreciated and condoned — if you don’t know where these places are, I would recommend you Google white racists, American Nazis, imbeciles, and otherwise degenerates in general. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!
Posted by: CASpeedo | May 16, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Please i will like to ask because i dont really know what this country is turning into. Was Bush not correct??? What is the problem with this country ???? Why can the wicked and unhuman American Press not for one day speak the truth????? Did Carter not negotiate with Hamas????? Did Obama not say that he will meet unconditionally with these terrorist?????? America is stinking. Though Bush may be wrong on some issues but totally not on all. I am a democrat but we must know and really understand what we are saying so that we wont finally bury this country.
Hillary would have been the best choice but since the unreasonable leaders in the party are saying know, I see better things in McCain and he will do bette with this country than just this empty loud sounding drum(Obama).Hillary clearly stated that she will not meet with these people without the necessary conditions in place and she will protect Israel .The DNC will regret their stance in November WE ARE INDEED READY TO VOTE AGAINST THIS STINKING UNREASONABLE PARTY. LORD LET NOVEMBER COME QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: A True black American | May 16, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
The roles have reversed now. The Republicans are weak on the defense of our country, weak on the economy, weak on leadership and innovation. Their only solution to the worlds problems are to lower taxes and increase debt. On top of it people in this country have been led to believe that you must be ashamed of having an education and peaking intelligently. Why are people attacking the educated, I thought that it was every blue collar American’s dream to have their kids better themselves through education. Either way Obama or McCain will be better than knuckle headed (I can only speak in phrases) George Bush.
Posted by: Greg McDonald | May 16, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
AHA!
This is how Obama will unite the USA???
From what I can see Obama is nothing but empty talk. And a whimp who has no spine and can’t defend his own ideas. Why can’t he defend his own ideas??? Because he is WRONG and he knows that everyone would see that if he tried!
Posted by: TL | May 16, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
With Bush’s family’s historical ties to the nazi party he has some gumption bringing this up!
See the sorry story here:
http://www.atlargely.com/2008/05/all-the-preside.html
Posted by: thea2b | May 16, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Does Obama have any idea, any idea whatsoever what the big boys are going to do to him.
Whining to the Democratic Party leaders and trying to make people play fair is not going to work. Bush and McCain push his buttons at will and he responds right on cue.
They are going to eat him alive.
Posted by: Jill Mitchell | May 16, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
McCain is Bush is GOP is owned by some corporate interest….. Every time I hear an American type with venom about how we are going to smash, crash and destroy with bombs and venom our enemies, ie. the muslim radicals, I think of how that sounds like a radical muslim!! All Americans scared enough to think they need to bellow louder need to realize the radicals will tie bombs to themselves and die for their cause… not thousands, but 100 of thousands will… are you, the violent-praising Americans willing to tie a bomb to yourself and die? Are you willing to see your streets bombed and your friends and children crushed and blasted to hell? Well, no I thought not… so let’s just try the diplomacy, ok? Because, we really, really, can’t change 3000 years of history because their are no bombs that big to blow away all the muslims… Obama is a smart America who has lived the dream, including coming to terms with his father’s past and his blackness… that just makes him American like you and me… so let’s get back to thinking some more about the path we are on and change direction.
Posted by: origood | May 16, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
It is a shame to see many ignorant individuals trying to confuse American People about their Presidential Candidate. Baseless insults is “White collar Terrorism” not Democracy as we know.
Posted by: Learner260 | May 16, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
HA I love it! Obama just destroyed but of those idiots.
Posted by: Morris | May 16, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
This is crazy, they sound like a bunch of kids going at it. This man is supposed to run our government and he is comming unhinged by President Bush. All I can say is wow.
Posted by: darryl | May 16, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Correcting a couple of typos and hogging up some more blog space:
How can you consider it being soft to meet with someone and tell them personally “Straighten up and be nice with your neighbors or else I’ll have to kick your butt”?
Isn’t it much more naive and childish to say “I’m not talking to you! I’m not your friend anymore until you play nice!”?
It’s funny to see the president of the USofA acting like a spoiled little brat.
Just a friendly message from Canada :-)
P.s. I noticed that the first half of the posts is anti-Obama, while the second half is mostly pro-Obama. Something smells fishy on this web-page.
Posted by: andyupnorth | May 16, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
HA I love it! Obama just destroyed both of those idiots.
Posted by: Morris | May 16, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Please i will like to ask because i dont really know what this country is turning into. Was Bush not correct??? What is the problem with this country ???? Why can the wicked and unhuman American Press not for one day speak the truth????? Did Carter not negotiate with Hamas????? Did Obama not say that he will meet unconditionally with these terrorist?????? America is stinking. Though Bush may be wrong on some issues but totally not on all. I am a democrat but we must know and really understand what we are saying so that we wont finally bury this country.
Hillary would have been the best choice but since the unreasonable leaders in the party are saying NO, I see better things in McCain and he will do better with this country than just this empty loud sounding drum(Obama).Hillary clearly stated that she will not meet with these people without the necessary conditions in place and she will protect Israel .The DNC will regret their stance in November WE ARE INDEED READY TO VOTE AGAINST THIS STINKING UNREASONABLE PARTY. LORD LET NOVEMBER COME QUICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: A True black American | May 16, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Here’s an idea.
We stop all foreign aid. We save hundreds of billions by bringing our troops home from the 130 (not a misprint) countries they are in. Re-open the US bases that closed and bring all those dollars back to our shores to help on our own economy.
While we’re at it, lets eliminate the income tax and the federal reserve. If the Federal budget was taken back to spending levels of 1998 (only ten years ago), noone would have to pay income tax. Wouldn’t that help the economy?
Thank the MSM for killing Ron Paul.
Posted by: Tom | May 16, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Obama is such an idiot.
Since he replied to the comments and incriminated himself, he gets all flustered.
Showing his true ideals on the subject, now he wants to say oh no that is not true.
Mr Obama how many times did you say you would talk to terrorist and other country leaders up until this.
You are a Farce and a scam artist. Go back to chicago where you belong with your anti-american friends and crooks muslims and their money used to get you where you are today.
Posted by: seah | May 16, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Obambi’s books are filled with attacks on white people
“There was something about him that made me wary. A little too sure of himself. And white.”
Race Card Obama should sit down with himself and think over his anti-white statements.
Besides, white Americans aren’t voting for him and he has Hillary’s supporters fired up against him.
Mayor of Mississippi small bitter 93% black town is his only future.
McCain the war hero vs. Empty Suit White Hater Obama.
President John McCain !
Posted by: Search for Book Quotes | May 16, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
And so it begins, Obama is already crying like a little school girl. I have often posted that the little blow ups that hillary threw at obama were nothing compared to the repug. hit machine. hannity and rush will spank little obama like his grandmother should have. unfortunately for the usa, an obama nomination means 4 more years of neocon rule under mcshame, higher gas prices, higher food prices, no health care for our families and most likely 4000 more dead heros. the conservative movement is dead, long live the republican party. the dem. party is dead, long live king hussien.
Posted by: jimt | May 16, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
andyupnorth In regard to this part of your post:”P.s. I noticed that the first half of the posts is anti-Obama, while the second half is mostly pro-Obama. Something smells fishy on this web-page.” I thought the same thing and my thinking is that the word got around on left-wing blogs/sites to “go over there and flood that page” with left wing posts. Heck, I could be wrong, but that makes the most sense.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
I understand that Condi Rice and Secretary Gates have also advocated talking with Iran and Syria. Guess that makes them appeasers, too, doesn’t it?
Obama ’08
Posted by: MrJtmac | May 16, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Can anyone remember who supplied Osama Bin Laden and his cronies with weapons to attack Russia when Russia invaded Afghanstan? I think it was America.
Would anyone of you dare call America supporters of terriosm?
But all of you McCain/Bush supporters call Iran supporters of terriosm because they supply Iraqis with weapons to attack our troops in Iraq.
So they are deemed not worthy of talking too because they support terror.
Just because we STUPID AMERICANS can’t see the double standard in that does not mean the rest of the world does not see it?
Did we stop talking to Russaia when they supplied Saddam Hussien night vision goggles and radar jammers during the first gulf war?
Barack will win the election in November simply becaues he’s SMARTER than BUSH and MCCAIN put together. Who would have thought a little known Senator from Ill could topple the powerful Clinton machine? How did he did he do it? Simply he undertood the American public better than more EXPERIENCED candiates… Can anyone deny he’s run a better campaign than the CLINTONS?
Dumb asses… I shouldn’t be bitter and upset because I can see a better day is coming.
Thank you Barack for talking to us like adults.
Posted by: Will | May 16, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
thea2b It would be easier to just post a link to the left wing sites. By the way, how about this statement? “But you can lie brazenly and attack a sitting US Senator on foreign soil by comparing him to Nazi sympathizers?” When did that happen? AGAIN, Bush didn’t say anything with OBAMA’S NAME.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
there is a difference between going to talk with states through the state department level and the presidential level. mccain was referring to the state department diplomatic level, obama is for meeting with the leaders of states at the presidential level with no preconditions.
using the example of the soviets is different, since they were not terrorists that want to destroy us or wipe off an ally from the face of the map. as for the talks with kim jong il and north korea, bush did not meet with him. it was talks between diplomats. by meeting on a presidential level, obama will be legitimizing the existence of these terrorist organizations and states that sponsor terrorism.
also how come obama is taking offense at bushs comments? he wasnt even named, when i read bushs comment i thought he was referring to carter.
funny how msnbc and other news outlets are out to spin this story as an attack on obama. thank you abc for being unbiased. funny how so far the most balanced throughout this primary season was fox. i thought i would never see that day.
Posted by: usecommonsense | May 16, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
It is so obvious Obama is going to tear McBush a new one in the debates.
It’s funny to read these forums. They have become so insanely detached from the reality of whats going on out there. For example, these three lost seats.
HRC people will come around because they don’t want to be responsible for 4 more years of futile wars, a loss of abortion rights due to a packet court, and general common sense.
Obama is going to win by a landslide against old man McCain.
Welcome to the first the first President of the new millennium.
Middle aged white guys for Obama 08
Posted by: Mr Judgment | May 16, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
nothing can be as bad as the last 8 years we have endured under bush, as this country grows poorer bush’s croonies big oil and the defense industry grows richer. bush pretending to beg the saudi’s to increase the output of oil, they were laughing and counting their money. it takes a lot of nerve to talk about appeasement when he and his family have a long history of doing just that to enrich themselves. wake up american and dont be taken in.
elect mccain for 4 more years of pain.
the appeaser is in the white now.
Posted by: marty | May 16, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
so now Obama wants to debate McCAin? He is trying to exploit what Bush said to portray himself as a victim. Democrats should not have a nominee that is always crying foul.He is not presidential, and he remains unelectable.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Howard Gardner ought to add another dimension to his Theory of Multiple Intelligences. There should be “political intelligence”.
Most of the posters here have very little.
If you haven’t figured out, by now, how to find and interpret information critically in our world, then your political intelligence is possibly in the mental retardation range.
Bush and his administration will go down as one of the worst in the history of our country. For the most part, Obama has been genuine and infinitely more patriotic than his detractors.
There’s no hope for those who can’t see these two things. Luckily, as in any bell-shaped curve of IQ, those folks are in the minority. November will see a decisive victory for those whose political intelligence quotients are in the top 60% or so. I have nothing against this group. It’s the nature of the normal curve, not their fault: they’re still good people. And I trust that most of them have high IQ’s in some combination of the areas of logical-mathematical, spatial, linguistic, intrapersonal, interpersonal, musical, bodily-kinesthetic, and naturalistic intelligences: just not political.
Posted by: bej | May 16, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
I think Obamas boat is going to sink before November 4. The President was right to say that by talking to the terrorists will do nothing or make us secure.These people will not back down from their willingness to kill us because, remember ” Allah is telling them to have a Jihad against the infidels”
Obama is going to look stupid sitting down with someone that will not change his mind in the name of Allah.We are not dealing with political ideology , we are dealing with religion and these people have the Koran inbeaded in them from the very first moment they are born just like the religious fanatics at home.
Posted by: Scout | May 16, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
marty Obama could be worst. Write Hillary on the ballot she will crush Obama in the General Election.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
To: Possible Democratic Party of America Presidential nominee & some say next
Commander-and-Chief of the United States & Moral Leader of the Western World.
April 21, 2008
Dear Senator Obama,
My name is Leon Weinstein. I immigrated to the United States in 1986, and since I became a citizen, I was voting either republican or democrat, depending on issues and personalities. In fiscal and international areas I am conservative, on many social issues I am a liberal. I am pro-choice, pro-legalization of marihuana, pro-amnesty for illegal emigrants (with however a good solid wall constructed to regulate this issue in the future), pro-staying in Iraq until the situation stabilized, pro-getting our hundred billion dollars investment in Iraq back from sales of Iraqi oil, and with a strong stance against Muslim extremists and other aggressive countries and organizations. I would also want to disassemble the United Nations, this joke of a forum where human rights committee members are Iran & Syria .
I found some surprising and troubling words in your books and speeches, and found a profound luck of experience that you are proposing to substitute with judgment. You are saying that you have “good judgment” and this statement is based on one quote regarding war in Iraq . The truth, of course, is that you were not in the US senate at that time and didn’t have an access to the intelligence they had (you yourself said it several times prior to the Presidential race). But OK, let’s play by your rules and examine your judgment on other issues and situations. Below is an account of my findings regarding your words, actions and judgments.
Let me start with a little historical observation. My great grandparents were Jewish and lived in a small village, with no legal right to move to a larger city, being prohibited to enter Universities, denied elementary human rights and frequently being subjected to pogroms. They were killed, humiliated and raped. This was occurring so often that my ancestors decided that we will call our children’s race by their mother’s. Thousands upon thousands of those children of rape were proudly calling themselves Jews, and joined their brothers and sisters in their faith and destiny. It was very easy to blend into a non-Jewish environment and abandon your race and fate. Some did, most stay. Let me honestly say to you that the very first thing that struck me in your book DREAMS OF MY FATHER were words: “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race”.
As you may know, in a Jewish tradition a boy becomes a man at age 13. This is the age we Jews believe that a person can’t hide any more behind his parents, his ignorance or age, has to start choosing his path in this world and has to answer for his own words and actions. This is another quote from your book: “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”. You were not ready to stood up for people who raised you, fed you, schooled you and loved you. Those people where “whites”. I am white too. Will you be ready to stand by me if you are our next President?
Every year about one million people legally immigrate to the US . Another million coming every year as illegal immigrants. They work, build their nests and stay here. There are millions of others who would give anything to be able to come and stay in America . When I was receiving my citizenship, the ceremony was conducted in a huge hall with some five thousand emigrants receiving their citizenship at the same time. I remember those five thousand people singing the American hymn and crying. They came from different countries and they all remembered how they lived over there. They had tears of joy in their eyes. Millions of people who came here as emigrants (believe me emigration is a very painful and difficult process) are grateful and love the same country your wife, your pastor and your friends hate so much. Did you do anything to stop this wave of hate against your mother’s race? Not when you were 12 or 13, but when you were 25… 35… 40? I have a feel that you do not know how lucky and privileged you are, how blessed your children and your wife are. I wanted to tell you that every time my friends, emigrants from Russia, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia celebrating any (ANY!) holiday, they raise their first toast for this great country. I know you will not believe it, but “God bless America !” we say, and we mean it.
In my old country we had a saying “tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are”. Obviously you do not agree with this millennium-old wisdom. OK, you do not want to be judged by association with your friends. Let’s then see what’s going on in your own home. This is what your wife said: “…for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country!” and “ America … is a mean country”. Really? Is that why so many people come here and want to raise their children and grandchildren here? Because America is a mean country? Because there is nothing to be proud of here?
I was told that this is your wife’s words, not yours. I was told that you do not feel or think like you wife does. I understand, I argue with my wife a lot. But if this is true, why didn’t you argue with her in front of all of us? You are in the spot light, it is easy to do. Why didn’t you say that you do not share those views, that you are proud of your country, that you love your country, that you teach your children to be proud of this wonderful country of ours, and that there is no country better then this one in the entire world!
I am sure you are a busy man and you do not have much time for your kids during weekdays. And that Sundays are your great opportunity to communicate those thoughts to your wonderful daughters. Did you communicate those thoughts to your daughters? Or you take them Sunday after Sunday, month after month, year after year to sermons by Jeremiah Wright, filled with venom and hate?
As a mater of fact I personally do not believe that you never heard your pastor and mentor saying that AIDS were created by Americans to wipe out all Africans, or that Christ is black, or that America is a KKK country. This was on CDs and DVDs that were distributed by your church. I have heard you donated large sums of money to this church.
What else do I know about you? During student years you felt close to radicals and Marxists. It is perfectly OK at certain age to think that things can be easily and radically changed. Winston Churchill once said (or someone else equally smart) that if at the age twenty you are not a socialist, then you do not have heart. But if at age forty you still a socialist, you do not have brain. Are you still under a spell of Che Gevaras, Karl Marxes and Leo Trotskis? In Chicago you joined this America bashing church. Then you went to ask for political support of the leader of Weather Underground. And got it. And became friends with him. So you probably did or said something that this guy who bombed fellow Americans liked. What did you do or say that he liked so much?
Then you were elected to the Illinois Senate. You were present but didn’t want to express your opinion on some 129 subjects during your time in the state senate. What were the subjects? May be they were unimportant? One of them was an attempt to restrict the location of pornographic video stores & strip clubs within 1,000 feet of schools, churches and kindergartens. You refused to vote on this one. You were the only senator to be “present” but not expressing opinion on a bill that required teaching “respect for others” at schools. You voted NO on a bill that would require prisoners to pay court costs for frivolous lawsuits against the state. You were the ONLY vote in the Illinois Senate against prohibiting softening prison terms for sex offenders if they behaved well while in the prison. You voted NO on a bill requiring school boards to install software on public computers accessible to minors to block sexually explicit material. Why would you want the school age kids be able to watch porno on school computers? You voted YES to allow the purchase of hypodermic needles from pharmacies without a prescription.
Let’s also take a look on how you voted on fiscal issues. When tough was going tougher and tougher in your state, you supported … raising taxes. Not trimming expenses, but raising taxes. The state needed money and it was so simple to take them from the hard working people. You supported raising of more than 300 taxes and fees on businesses in 2004 to help solve a budget deficit. I will let your constituency to guess what you would do as a President every time we have fiscal problems in the US .
But may be you are very trustworthy person? May be we shall rock solid believe in every word you say? Let’s examine this as well. Let’s call this part of my letter “Obama said”:
Obama said in a speech in a church in Selma ( Alabama ) that when John Kennedy offered all suffering people in the world to start believing in their own powers and come to study in the US , his grandfather in Africa heard it and sent Barack’s father to study in the US . When his father came (with the help of the air-bridge that was organized by JFK), he met his future bride to be, Barack’s white mother, on one of the civil rights meetings, actually on the historical civil rights march from Selma to Montgomery.
Hmmm: (a) March from Selma to Montgomery started on Match 7, 1965. Barack Obama was born in August 1961, four years earlier, (b) In order to be Barack’s father, the Obama senior came to America the latest in November of 1960, and at that time America’s president was republican Dwight Eisenhower (not democrat JFK). Interesting.
Obama said that he would not tolerate power brokers and lobbyists in Washington . He calls himself a fighter against corruption and large corporate influence on the policymakers.
Hmmm: At least three of his main campaign advisors registered as lobbyists for British Petroleum, Lockheed Martin and Wall-Mart.
Obama said that he would clean Washington and the politics from special interests. When asked about his relations to a shady businessman Tony Resco (an alleged Chicago mobster now being sued in Chicago ), Obama said that he hardy knew the guy. Then he said that he knew him, but never took… then he said that he took, but not a lot… and immediately returned… even more then took… Sounds like Bill Clinton, right?
Hmmm: In June 2005 Obama family purchased a 2 million house in Chicago . On the same day, Tony Resco’s wife purchased an adjacent lot and immediately sold part of it to Michele Obama, Barack’s wife. The remaining part of the lot remained empty and the Obama family conveniently uses it “temporarily” as their backyard. The picture seen on the Google Earth shows that from the air it is now one property with no boundaries separating the two lots. On top of this “small token” of several hundred thousand, Tony was one of the main Obama’s financial supporters and gave him over $150,000 in donations. Hardly a person whom Obama hardly knew. But the biggest question is – what Obama was paid for? What services he performed to this alleged Mafiosi that were worth purchasing a property and donating so much money to the Illinois senator?
Obama said that tax burden in recent years became lighter for reach (Bush tax cuts help rich people to pay less) and heavier of poor.
Hmmm: According to the Congressional Budget Office and the Census Bureau information, the top 1% earners pay now 31.25% of the tax burden (up from 27.7%) and poor pay now 4.3% (down from 9.1%).
Obama said that the US defense spendings are soaring through the roof, that they are historically high under Bush administration & it is a terrible and unprecedented burden on the US population.
Hmmm: Defense spending, even with the war in Iraq cost factored in, is well below their historical average. Currently we are spending less then 4% of the gross domestic product (GDP). During cold war we spent 6.2% of the GDP, and at the height of Vietnam War we spent 9.5% of GDP.
Dear Senator Obama, you probably a very good hearted man. Not very honest, although. Che Guevara was a good man as well. Leon Trotsky was a very very good man. Mao Tze-Tung was probably a good man. I am sure many people think that Fidel Castro and Hugo Chávez are good man. Those are very good man… but not for us. We need a good man with the clearly American values, with an ability to defend our nation against all attacks (as Bush did as a mater of fact), with an ability to reach across the aisle and unite the nation. We need one that doesn’t lie to us. Your autobiographical “Dreams From My Father” is not a story of reaching across the isle but of developing an African identity. Where is our dream of the melting pot? Instead of White Supremacy that I sincerely hope is already in the past, we are now facing Black Supremacy? Black Values? What the hell is that? Why simply not American values?
Do you know who said this: “There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost“. Your wife said that. What did you do or said in public to counter this wonderful pledge of hers?
There is one more issue I would want to raise in my letter to you:
In 2003 you said according to The Boston Globe the following words: “The United States had an absolute obligation to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success”. You stated that: “… failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster and would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective”.
In 2004 in your interview to The New York Times you said: “I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought [the war] was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence,”
In the same 2004 in an interview to the Chicago Tribune you said: “… here’s not that much difference between my position [on the war] and George Bush’s position at this stage.”
And again in the same 2004 on the Charlie Rose Show, when Charlie asked you if you would have voted against the Iraq War resolution had you been in Congress, your answer was already a simple, “Yes.” Hmmm?
On November 2005 you made a speech and called for a gradual withdrawal of forces. You said: “Notice that I say ‘reduce’, and not ‘fully withdraw’”.
Today, you vow to “immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq.”
How easy you turn your back on something you proclaimed as an “absolute obligation”. I clearly remember that you made similar promises regarding the safety and security of Israel . How long will those promises last? Until January 2009? No wonder Hamas want’s you to become America ’s next president. And what other promises you are not intending to keep? In strict adherence to your policy of double-talk, your top foreign policy adviser Samantha Power admitted in an interview that a President Obama may very well not keep the commitments regarding withdrawing from Iraq made by Senator Obama while campaigning.
Let’s add to that when you called for renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, your key economic adviser Austin Goolsbee was reported to have told the Canadians that this was just campaign pander. What else you tell us, but do not mean? What else you promise that you do not intend to do? Are you that arrogant that you think that Americans are that stupid? For a politician who promises to tell voters “not what they want to hear but the truths they need to hear” this is a jarring degree of hypocrisy.
Dear Senator, I am sorry to say but you lost me as a potential supporter. You represent so many things that I despise, that I am very much concern now that you might be nominated and (God forbid) elected to become the United States President. I can assure you that I will work hard to stop you from becoming our next Commander-in-Chief. From this moment on and until November I am fighting against you as hard as I can. I will write letters, I will organize meetings, I will talk to as many people as I can, I will send money as much as I can to those who as myself will be feverishly working to stop you from changing this wonderful country of ours into the Union of Socialistic States of America .
Sincerely,
Leon A.Weinstein
Los Angeles , CA
leonweinstein@hotmail.com
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Wondering what’s for Dinner
Posted by: YONA SOLOMON | May 16, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
lol – he didnt want to debate clinton, but he wants to debate them? i guess debating a smart “sweetie” is too dangerous.
Posted by: Tony | May 16, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Look at that pretty American flag pin on Obama’s jacket.
I thought he didn’t need the pin to show is patriotism.
Hypocrite.
Posted by: Kristen | May 16, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
To: Possible Democratic Party of America Presidential nominee & some say next
Commander-and-Chief of the United States & Moral Leader of the Western World.
April 21, 2008
Dear Senator Obama,
My name is Leon Weinstein. I immigrated to the United States in 1986, and since I became a citizen, I was voting either republican or democrat, depending on issues and personalities. In fiscal and international areas I am conservative, on many social issues I am a liberal. I am pro-choice, pro-legalization of marihuana, pro-amnesty for illegal emigrants (with however a good solid wall constructed to regulate this issue in the future), pro-staying in Iraq until the situation stabilized, pro-getting our hundred billion dollars investment in Iraq back from sales of Iraqi oil, and with a strong stance against Muslim extremists and other aggressive countries and organizations. I would also want to disassemble the United Nations, this joke of a forum where human rights committee members are Iran & Syria .
I found some surprising and troubling words in your books and speeches, and found a profound luck of experience that you are proposing to substitute with judgment. You are saying that you have “good judgment” and this statement is based on one quote regarding war in Iraq . The truth, of course, is that you were not in the US senate at that time and didn’t have an access to the intelligence they had (you yourself said it several times prior to the Presidential race). But OK, let’s play by your rules and examine your judgment on other issues and situations. Below is an account of my findings regarding your words, actions and judgments.
Let me start with a little historical observation. My great grandparents were Jewish and lived in a small village, with no legal right to move to a larger city, being prohibited to enter Universities, denied elementary human rights and frequently being subjected to pogroms. They were killed, humiliated and raped. This was occurring so often that my ancestors decided that we will call our children’s race by their mother’s. Thousands upon thousands of those children of rape were proudly calling themselves Jews, and joined their brothers and sisters in their faith and destiny. It was very easy to blend into a non-Jewish environment and abandon your race and fate. Some did, most stay. Let me honestly say to you that the very first thing that struck me in your book DREAMS OF MY FATHER were words: “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race”.
As you may know, in a Jewish tradition a boy becomes a man at age 13. This is the age we Jews believe that a person can’t hide any more behind his parents, his ignorance or age, has to start choosing his path in this world and has to answer for his own words and actions. This is another quote from your book: “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”. You were not ready to stood up for people who raised you, fed you, schooled you and loved you. Those people where “whites”. I am white too. Will you be ready to stand by me if you are our next President?
Every year about one million people legally immigrate to the US . Another million coming every year as illegal immigrants. They work, build their nests and stay here. There are millions of others who would give anything to be able to come and stay in America . When I was receiving my citizenship, the ceremony was conducted in a huge hall with some five thousand emigrants receiving their citizenship at the same time. I remember those five thousand people singing the American hymn and crying. They came from different countries and they all remembered how they lived over there. They had tears of joy in their eyes. Millions of people who came here as emigrants (believe me emigration is a very painful and difficult process) are grateful and love the same country your wife, your pastor and your friends hate so much. Did you do anything to stop this wave of hate against your mother’s race? Not when you were 12 or 13, but when you were 25… 35… 40? I have a feel that you do not know how lucky and privileged you are, how blessed your children and your wife are. I wanted to tell you that every time my friends, emigrants from Russia, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia celebrating any (ANY!) holiday, they raise their first toast for this great country. I know you will not believe it, but “God bless America !” we say, and we mean it.
In my old country we had a saying “tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are”. Obviously you do not agree with this millennium-old wisdom. OK, you do not want to be judged by association with your friends. Let’s then see what’s going on in your own home. This is what your wife said: “…for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country!” and “ America … is a mean country”. Really? Is that why so many people come here and want to raise their children and grandchildren here? Because America is a mean country? Because there is nothing to be proud of here?
I was told that this is your wife’s words, not yours. I was told that you do not feel or think like you wife does. I understand, I argue with my wife a lot. But if this is true, why didn’t you argue with her in front of all of us? You are in the spot light, it is easy to do. Why didn’t you say that you do not share those views, that you are proud of your country, that you love your country, that you teach your children to be proud of this wonderful country of ours, and that there is no country better then this one in the entire world!
I am sure you are a busy man and you do not have much time for your kids during weekdays. And that Sundays are your great opportunity to communicate those thoughts to your wonderful daughters. Did you communicate those thoughts to your daughters? Or you take them Sunday after Sunday, month after month, year after year to sermons by Jeremiah Wright, filled with venom and hate?
As a mater of fact I personally do not believe that you never heard your pastor and mentor saying that AIDS were created by Americans to wipe out all Africans, or that Christ is black, or that America is a KKK country. This was on CDs and DVDs that were distributed by your church. I have heard you donated large sums of money to this church.
What else do I know about you? During student years you felt close to radicals and Marxists. It is perfectly OK at certain age to think that things can be easily and radically changed. Winston Churchill once said (or someone else equally smart) that if at the age twenty you are not a socialist, then you do not have heart. But if at age forty you still a socialist, you do not have brain. Are you still under a spell of Che Gevaras, Karl Marxes and Leo Trotskis? In Chicago you joined this America bashing church. Then you went to ask for political support of the leader of Weather Underground. And got it. And became friends with him. So you probably did or said something that this guy who bombed fellow Americans liked. What did you do or say that he liked so much?
Then you were elected to the Illinois Senate. You were present but didn’t want to express your opinion on some 129 subjects during your time in the state senate. What were the subjects? May be they were unimportant? One of them was an attempt to restrict the location of pornographic video stores & strip clubs within 1,000 feet of schools, churches and kindergartens. You refused to vote on this one. You were the only senator to be “present” but not expressing opinion on a bill that required teaching “respect for others” at schools. You voted NO on a bill that would require prisoners to pay court costs for frivolous lawsuits against the state. You were the ONLY vote in the Illinois Senate against prohibiting softening prison terms for sex offenders if they behaved well while in the prison. You voted NO on a bill requiring school boards to install software on public computers accessible to minors to block sexually explicit material. Why would you want the school age kids be able to watch porno on school computers? You voted YES to allow the purchase of hypodermic needles from pharmacies without a prescription.
Let’s also take a look on how you voted on fiscal issues. When tough was going tougher and tougher in your state, you supported … raising taxes. Not trimming expenses, but raising taxes. The state needed money and it was so simple to take them from the hard working people. You supported raising of more than 300 taxes and fees on businesses in 2004 to help solve a budget deficit. I will let your constituency to guess what you would do as a President every time we have fiscal problems in the US .
But may be you are very trustworthy person? May be we shall rock solid believe in every word you say? Let’s examine this as well. Let’s call this part of my letter “Obama said”:
Obama said in a speech in a church in Selma ( Alabama ) that when John Kennedy offered all suffering people in the world to start believing in their own powers and come to study in the US , his grandfather in Africa heard it and sent Barack’s father to study in the US . When his father came (with the help of the air-bridge that was organized by JFK), he met his future bride to be, Barack’s white mother, on one of the civil rights meetings, actually on the historical civil rights march from Selma to Montgomery.
Hmmm: (a) March from Selma to Montgomery started on Match 7, 1965. Barack Obama was born in August 1961, four years earlier, (b) In order to be Barack’s father, the Obama senior came to America the latest in November of 1960, and at that time America’s president was republican Dwight Eisenhower (not democrat JFK). Interesting.
Obama said that he would not tolerate power brokers and lobbyists in Washington . He calls himself a fighter against corruption and large corporate influence on the policymakers.
Hmmm: At least three of his main campaign advisors registered as lobbyists for British Petroleum, Lockheed Martin and Wall-Mart.
Obama said that he would clean Washington and the politics from special interests. When asked about his relations to a shady businessman Tony Resco (an alleged Chicago mobster now being sued in Chicago ), Obama said that he hardy knew the guy. Then he said that he knew him, but never took… then he said that he took, but not a lot… and immediately returned… even more then took… Sounds like Bill Clinton, right?
Hmmm: In June 2005 Obama family purchased a 2 million house in Chicago . On the same day, Tony Resco’s wife purchased an adjacent lot and immediately sold part of it to Michele Obama, Barack’s wife. The remaining part of the lot remained empty and the Obama family conveniently uses it “temporarily” as their backyard. The picture seen on the Google Earth shows that from the air it is now one property with no boundaries separating the two lots. On top of this “small token” of several hundred thousand, Tony was one of the main Obama’s financial supporters and gave him over $150,000 in donations. Hardly a person whom Obama hardly knew. But the biggest question is – what Obama was paid for? What services he performed to this alleged Mafiosi that were worth purchasing a property and donating so much money to the Illinois senator?
Obama said that tax burden in recent years became lighter for reach (Bush tax cuts help rich people to pay less) and heavier of poor.
Hmmm: According to the Congressional Budget Office and the Census Bureau information, the top 1% earners pay now 31.25% of the tax burden (up from 27.7%) and poor pay now 4.3% (down from 9.1%).
Obama said that the US defense spendings are soaring through the roof, that they are historically high under Bush administration & it is a terrible and unprecedented burden on the US population.
Hmmm: Defense spending, even with the war in Iraq cost factored in, is well below their historical average. Currently we are spending less then 4% of the gross domestic product (GDP). During cold war we spent 6.2% of the GDP, and at the height of Vietnam War we spent 9.5% of GDP.
Dear Senator Obama, you probably a very good hearted man. Not very honest, although. Che Guevara was a good man as well. Leon Trotsky was a very very good man. Mao Tze-Tung was probably a good man. I am sure many people think that Fidel Castro and Hugo Chávez are good man. Those are very good man… but not for us. We need a good man with the clearly American values, with an ability to defend our nation against all attacks (as Bush did as a mater of fact), with an ability to reach across the aisle and unite the nation. We need one that doesn’t lie to us. Your autobiographical “Dreams From My Father” is not a story of reaching across the isle but of developing an African identity. Where is our dream of the melting pot? Instead of White Supremacy that I sincerely hope is already in the past, we are now facing Black Supremacy? Black Values? What the hell is that? Why simply not American values?
Do you know who said this: “There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost“. Your wife said that. What did you do or said in public to counter this wonderful pledge of hers?
There is one more issue I would want to raise in my letter to you:
In 2003 you said according to The Boston Globe the following words: “The United States had an absolute obligation to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success”. You stated that: “… failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster and would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective”.
In 2004 in your interview to The New York Times you said: “I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought [the war] was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence,”
In the same 2004 in an interview to the Chicago Tribune you said: “… here’s not that much difference between my position [on the war] and George Bush’s position at this stage.”
And again in the same 2004 on the Charlie Rose Show, when Charlie asked you if you would have voted against the Iraq War resolution had you been in Congress, your answer was already a simple, “Yes.” Hmmm?
On November 2005 you made a speech and called for a gradual withdrawal of forces. You said: “Notice that I say ‘reduce’, and not ‘fully withdraw’”.
Today, you vow to “immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq.”
How easy you turn your back on something you proclaimed as an “absolute obligation”. I clearly remember that you made similar promises regarding the safety and security of Israel . How long will those promises last? Until January 2009? No wonder Hamas want’s you to become America ’s next president. And what other promises you are not intending to keep? In strict adherence to your policy of double-talk, your top foreign policy adviser Samantha Power admitted in an interview that a President Obama may very well not keep the commitments regarding withdrawing from Iraq made by Senator Obama while campaigning.
Let’s add to that when you called for renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, your key economic adviser Austin Goolsbee was reported to have told the Canadians that this was just campaign pander. What else you tell us, but do not mean? What else you promise that you do not intend to do? Are you that arrogant that you think that Americans are that stupid? For a politician who promises to tell voters “not what they want to hear but the truths they need to hear” this is a jarring degree of hypocrisy.
Dear Senator, I am sorry to say but you lost me as a potential supporter. You represent so many things that I despise, that I am very much concern now that you might be nominated and (God forbid) elected to become the United States President. I can assure you that I will work hard to stop you from becoming our next Commander-in-Chief. From this moment on and until November I am fighting against you as hard as I can. I will write letters, I will organize meetings, I will talk to as many people as I can, I will send money as much as I can to those who as myself will be feverishly working to stop you from changing this wonderful country of ours into the Union of Socialistic States of America .
Sincerely,
Leon A.Weinstein
Los Angeles , CA
leonweinstein@hotmail.com
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Posted by: YONA SOLOMON | May 16, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
VEEJAY,
HILLARY WILL SURELY RUN INDEPENDENT IF HUSSEIN STEALS THE NOMINATION AND SHE WILL EVENTUALLY WIN THE WHITE HOUSE. YOUR OBAMA’S A TOAST AND IS GOING DOWN THE COCKPIT MUD.
Astrology Prediction: President Hillary Clinton Year of the RAT prediction (Chinese Astrology) Hilary Clinton will be the next US President. When she sees a rat, she will scream with tears in her eyes. Women will give her their votes because they also scream when they see a rat. Men will also give her their votes because they want to protect the fair sex If she doesn’t get the Nomination, she should run Independent and she will win the White House. People WAKE UP! Women, I urge you to gather up with your husbands to rally behind Hillary Clinton. She’s the REAL HOPE that America needs to bring about REAL CHANGE towards peace and prosperity. She’s the only qualified candidate that can bring back the glory of the 90′s.
Posted by: HIllaryTheChosenOne | May 16, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Obama needs to answer why he sold political favors worth millions in Illinois to the guys that are now his “fundraisers”
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Obama crushed them!!
After seven years of waiting to hear something smart from Bush.
I am still waiting…
Posted by: Morris | May 16, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Why we should’nt be voting for OBAMA. These 2 reasons speak a lot of his Integrity, Judgement and Core Knowledge of our economic issues aside from Wright, Bitter Comments, Rezko, Ayers, Nafta and Iraq Troop Withdrawal Hypocrycies, etc.:
Obama Helped Supporters Get Millions in Illinois State Business http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/comments?type=story&id=4861699
OBAMA WAS WRONG ON GAS TAX. HE IS STUPID ON APPLIED ECONOMICS.
http://www.reuters.com/article/blogBurst/politics?type=politicsNews&w1=B7ovpm21IaDoL40ZFnNfGe&w2=B7tmRCRJt2YFzDsa7MJ1CblL&src=blogBurst_politicsNews&bbPostId=BCPU7bksptwDCz3q7RHPh1SBUAzSrY29vwGiB3iLrNpLtd9D&bbParentWidgetId=B94DflL2bLsuzDPLZYiSAqaT
Posted by: HIllaryTheChosenOne | May 16, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
COME ON OREGON/MONTANA/SOUTH DAKOTA, LETS GET OUT AND VOTE FOR HILLARY,
HER ISSUES ARE SO CLEAN WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO FOR OUR COUNTRY,
HER HEALTH CARE IS AFFORDABLE AND COVERS EVERYONE OBAMA WILL LEAVE 15, MILLION OUT, JUST CHECK THE FACT CHEC.ORG HER AFFORDABLE COLLAGE, AND HOW SHE WILL DISMESS THE DEEBT COMPETELY, ECONOMY THEY SAID SHE WAS THE BEST ON THAT SUBJECT, WELL OBAMA PICKED UP HER SPEECHES ON THAT AND HELPING THE VETERANS, CLEAN ENERGY, SHE WAS THE FIRST OF THE TWO TO BRING OUT THE SUBSTANCE OF ALL THESE ISSUES, PRE K SCHOOL, FOR YOUNG CHILDREN, END THE WAR, IN IRAQ, OBAMA SAID HE NEVER VOTED FOR THE WAR HE WAS NOT IN THE SENATE TO VOTE, AFTERWARDS HE SUPPORTED THE WAR. EVERYONE KNOW WHERE HILLARY, STANDS ON ALL ISSUES, WHO REALLY KNOWS OBAMA. THE MEDIA HAS PUT OBAMA ON A PEDESTAL
AND HAS NOT BEEN THAT GOOD TO HILLARY, A COUPLE HAS LIKE MORNING JOE, HE HAS BEEN GREAT. PLEASE LISTEN TO HILLARY AND COMPARE THEIR MESSAGES, SHE WILL WORK HARD FOR ALL OF US. AND FIGHT TO GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON THE R
Posted by: HIllaryTheChosenOne | May 16, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
This was just more of the Rove procedure sometimes called swiftboating.
give the binary brains (two brain cells – with us or against us types) something to repete over and over and over and over. Even with only small minds you really should know when someone is pushing your “Repete this for me” button and that your willingness to be used like this in the past played a large part in the failed path we have taken over the past 7. years. O’Lord what an I thinking. of course you don’t….
Posted by: James Murphree | May 16, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
This kind of childish emotionalism is exactly why demoncrats shouldn’t have any more power in office than absolutely necessary! I heard Bush’s remarks. He was absolutely right. No one said anything about demoncrats or Obama or anyone specifically. Perhaps the real problem here is the truth hurts!! :-)
Posted by: Spencer | May 16, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
The day the useless and unreasonable American Press correct its evil ways, then American will be better . They hit on Hillary for almost six months in order to nominate the empty talking barrel(Obama) and futher jeopardize this Country’s unity. Very soon you will see America cracking on racial lines and we might regret this in America. Obama has come to crack, divide and split America. He will give this country, this God loving nation to radical muslims and America will never remain as it had been. Although the Bible already predicted this but i would have wished that the great empire of America did not break up during my life time but it is as if it is coming to pass.
Posted by: A True black American | May 16, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
In true narcissistic form, Obama thinks everything is all about him. Every word spoken, every idea proffered, is somehow a reflection of the Obamahead. The world is his stage, and he can play whatever part he thinks will resonate with his audience, as long as it’s a leading role. Even as an ingénue, Barack can’t bring himself to play a more substantive character role, which may actually be appropriate, since he has no character.
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
to the honorable senator from Illinois: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Posted by: joe | May 16, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Oh weeee………Obama, the same man that’s been running from debates with Hillary, now wants to debate McCain. What a woose! Dude, your problem is and has been that you are chicken for the world to see you put on the spot and see just how ignorant you really are. Now with McCain, you are all fired up to show the world that you got some meat on those bones only but the truth is you are all words, empty speeches, and no facts to back your so called great resume….what a laugh!!
Posted by: Rosa | May 16, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
If the shoe fits Obama, than wear it.
Posted by: billy bob | May 16, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
You heard his remarks Spencer, have you heard these?
“You know what I’m gonna tell those Jews when I get to Israel, don’t you Herman?” a then Governor George W. Bush allegedly asked a reporter for the Austin American-Statesman.
When the journalist, Ken Herman, replied that he did not know, Bush reportedly delivered the punch line: “I’m telling ‘em they’re all going to hell.”
Posted by: thea2b | May 16, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
thea2B. I answered that question if you scroll back. His grandfather sat on a board of a bank who’s founder supported Hitler. Ok, and then? As I stated before, that is not some sort of crime that a grandson is cupable for. Where do you think JFK got his family money from? From ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES including bootlegging, murder etc. However, when JFK became president he went full force against the mob and others. My grandfather was a totally different person than myself.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
This was just more of the Rove procedure sometimes called swiftboating.
give the binary brains (two brain cells – with us or against us types) something to repete over and over and over and over. Even with only small minds you really should know when someone is pushing your “Repete this for me” button and that your willingness to be used like this in the past played a large part in the failed path we have taken over the past 7. years. O’Lord what an I thinking. of course you don’t….
Posted by: James Murphree | May 16, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Obama has just as much experience in this matter as the past few presidents we have had in office. I feel his wanting to make peace vs. war is brilliant, and for those who do not, will be destroying the world for our children.
There is not an issue made that cannot be solved with coming together as a nation, and that means all countries. Keep this in mind before you start another war no one can win.
Posted by: Becky | May 16, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
From the comments here, I feel like our country’s name should be ‘Divided States of America’. How divided we are? Were we ever this divided,not that I can remember in recent history.Just ask why are we divided.who polarized us? Why do we think we are all powerful, when we couldn’t save people affected by Katrin, when so many are dying without health insurance. Where is the power when Sam’s Club rations food grains? Where is the power when our president goes and pleads with Saudi for cheaper oil. Why did the government shout down the alternative enegry efforts in mid 80s; to appease oil tyconns of Texas? Where are we when India and China produce more engineers, doctors and scientists. Where will we be in next 20 yers if we continue on this path of bombing and bulling everybody; In fact long can we continue to do this; Yes they are rogue nations; North Korea was one of them. not long before they were one of the axis of evil. Look at what happened now. Why? How did we negotiate with North korea; With what conditions? I have googled all over; couldn’t find any conditions. In fact we met their condition; our government sat face to face with North Korea’s administration. Why are we so filled up with our adreline? Why we need to rush to action? One of the commentor said Obama didn’t reply to Bush soon engough? Why do you expect from true leader, a wise man; rush to offend the other person without any respect for the person; rush to bomb a country but never thought what would happen after that;Where are the values that America stands for; Where are the values that the rest of the world looks at us? Where is our civility, where is our empathy, where is our respect? I am sure if the founding fathers were now looking at these things, they surely would have been very unhappy. I certainly don’t want my grand kids to read that there was once a superpower named America who stood for liberty and freedom. And if you don’t take action now, our grand kids will be reading the statement in their history book written in Mandrin.
Wake Up America, Wake up all Obama haters, Wake up all Replubican haters..
May GOD give us wisdom..
Posted by: SNK | May 16, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
… it’s going to be fun watching the republicans run on the successes of the last 8 years. Republicans have actually become a joke only they don’t get.
Posted by: Mr Judgment | May 16, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
From the comments here, I feel like our country’s name should be ‘Divided States of America’. How divided we are? Were we ever this divided,not that I can remember in recent history.Just ask why are we divided.who polarized us? Why do we think we are all powerful, when we couldn’t save people affected by Katrin, when so many are dying without health insurance. Where is the power when Sam’s Club rations food grains? Where is the power when our president goes and pleads with Saudi for cheaper oil. Why did the government shout down the alternative enegry efforts in mid 80s; to appease oil tyconns of Texas? Where are we when India and China produce more engineers, doctors and scientists. Where will we be in next 20 yers if we continue on this path of bombing and bulling everybody; In fact long can we continue to do this; Yes they are rogue nations; North Korea was one of them. not long before they were one of the axis of evil. Look at what happened now. Why? How did we negotiate with North korea; With what conditions? I have googled all over; couldn’t find any conditions. In fact we met their condition; our government sat face to face with North Korea’s administration. Why are we so filled up with our adreline? Why we need to rush to action? One of the commentor said Obama didn’t reply to Bush soon engough? Why do you expect from true leader, a wise man; rush to offend the other person without any respect for the person; rush to bomb a country but never thought what would happen after that;Where are the values that America stands for; Where are the values that the rest of the world looks at us? Where is our civility, where is our empathy, where is our respect? I am sure if the founding fathers were now looking at these things, they surely would have been very unhappy. I certainly don’t want my grand kids to read that there was once a superpower named America who stood for liberty and freedom. And if you don’t take action now, our grand kids will be reading the statement in their history book written in Mandrin.
Wake Up America, Wake up all Obama haters, Wake up all Replubican haters..
May GOD give us wisdom..
Posted by: SNK | May 16, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Obama and Clinton had 22 I think debates.
McCain doesn’t want to be embarrassed,
I bet McCain will limit it to about 3.
Posted by: SMays | May 16, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Bush is an idiot, a moron, AND SO IS McCAIN (who by the way doesn’t remember what he says from one moment to the next).
It was 2 years ago that McCain gave an interview saying that he himself, McCain himself, WOULD talk to Hamas (a terrorist organization). The same organization EVERYONE ELSE WAS SAYING THEY “WOULD NOT” SPEAK IT!!! Watch it here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/exclusive-video-mccain-wa_n_102031.html
AND it is Bush who is RIGHT NOW, who TODAY has both Gates, and Condelezza Rice in Iran talking to the Iran trying to get them to stay out of the Iraq war.
Bush also had, and still has members of his administration TALKING to North Korea, you know to Kim-Jong-il the terrorist leader of the terrorist nation, of North Korea, who actually DID have nuclear weapons, but who through TALKS with Bush, and members of Bush’s administration, they convinced North Korea, to STOP their nuclear weapons program.
Bush did not bomb the terrorist nation of North Korea, or Iran, he is TALKING to them!
The fact that Bush who has his own people talking right now TALKING to countries, and people who are considered terrorists by the USA shows that he himself is calling his own people (adminstration members, who he sent to Iran, and North Korea), appeasers.
Bush himself, by his own definition would be the appeaser he speaks of.
BUSH IS JUST A FU*CKING MORON, AND McCAIN IS EVEN WORST BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN IN GOVERNMENT FOREVER, EVEN LONGER THAN BUSH, AND HE STILL DOES “NOT” KNOW HOW THE GOVERNMENT WORKS.
AT 71 YEARS OLD, JOHN MCCAIN IS LOSING IT! HE IS NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH OR SMART ENOUGH, OR SANE ENOUGH TO BE PRESIDENT!!
Posted by: KEVIN | May 16, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Well said Mr. Weinstein.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
I live in Texas and I take offense to the comment about steers and queers (and douchebags) being all that there is in Texas. Yeah, it’s full of Republicans but there are Democrats and other parties here as well. I don’t agree with David at all but you don’t have to resort to insulting all who live in Texas. You’re no better than David in my opinion since you don’t think before you type.
Posted by: TenaciousMC | May 16, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
thea2b.. And BTW, could you get that investigative reporter to do a search on Obama’s family tree? I’d be very interested to find out a little more about Obama’s FATHER, never mind a grandfather. I’ve read a bit about him, but I have a feeling we’ll hear more about him as time goes on.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
No matter who is elected this country is screwed because of everything that Bush has done.
Posted by: This Country Is Screwed | May 16, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
I would like to see Obama debate them both!
Bush will end up with the same score as his approval ratings!
Posted by: Jeff | May 16, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
How many young American & other lives have been needlessly lost due to George Bush and his Administrations policies?
Sometimes people are perceived to be terrorists when they are actually fighting for a justifiable cause, in these types of conflicts one must be impartial and be able to understand the history and both sides of the argument. Also look at what happened in Northern Ireland when impartiality and unconditional talks to perceived “terrorists” actually leads to peace. For years the Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher refused to talk with Sinn Fein, but look what happened when The Labour government of Tony Blair entered into talks, peace was acheived. This type of outcome can be and has been sucessfully achieved, whereas the failed policies of George Bushs’ Administration cannot say the same.
Posted by: DLG | May 16, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Maybe Obama thinks he can negotiate with terrorists because he is friends with many of them
Syrian Tezko
Iraqi Arms Dealer Auchi
Capital Hill Bomber Ayers
Sorry, they were all campaign donors.
Pay to play.
Posted by: Friends | May 16, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Maybe Obama thinks he can negotiate with terrorists because he is friends with many of them
Syrian Tezko
Iraqi Arms Dealer Auchi
Capital Hill Bomber Ayers
Sorry, they were all campaign donors.
Pay to play.
Posted by: Friends | May 16, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
For a person who has screwed this country up over the last 7 years, Bush has some nerve criticizing anyone!
Posted by: Lori | May 16, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
What Bush said is correct, there is no denying the facts of his statement. Sorry if people have a hard time facing reality. This is the first time I have been disappointed with Obama.
Posted by: Joe | May 16, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Republicans, especially the idiot Texan in charge, are weak on terrorism. This worse president in history was referring to a REPUBLICAN senator – although he was too stupid to realize this example from history was made by one of his own. Where the hell is Osama bin Laden? Why aren’t all the macho racists Bush defenders mad as hell that OBL is still free? What happened to “we’re gonna smoke him out?” 9/11 happened on BUSH’S watch, and this disasterous US foreign policy was designed by the worst president in history and his “all stars.” ANYONE who still defends the Republican party and its actions over the last 8 years is beyond uninformed…they are beyond ignorant…they are just plain STUPID!
Posted by: dano | May 16, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
SNK: Thank you.
Posted by: Becky | May 16, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Yeah, Hussein Obama will get his left wingnut followers in San Fran to fight the terrorists. Obama is a fraud.
Posted by: Dave | May 16, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
I’m sure were all very proud of Obama’s grandfather for serving in our nations armed forces but if thats the badge of patriotism he is going to attempt to wear to establish his national security credentials hes going to fall somewhat short against the likes of John McCain. This is man whose grandfather served with distinction whose father served with distinction and who himself served with distinction in our nations armed services. using the actions of a grandparent to establish credibility with the defense crowd seems about as plausible as using 8 years as first lady as presidential experience. classic liberal calculus.
Posted by: alex | May 16, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
This guy Obama is one of the best candidates I have seen since Reagan!
Posted by: Steve The Former Repub for now | May 16, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Yes, Bush started this war and a lot of people have died as a result. We are where we are however. We are at war and there are terrorists who want to destroy America. The sad fact however is that Obama is not the leader we need. There is too much at stake to take a chance on him.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
The Bush-McCain foreign policy
The Bush-McCain foreign policy
The Bush-McCain foreign policy
The Bush-McCain foreign policy
The Bush-McCain foreign policy
Just practicing my phone rap.
Posted by: Jim B | May 16, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
With Obama, Americans cant you see that this country is divided into Blacks and Whites as well as Christians and Muslims???????????? WHERE ARE WE GOING ????? OBAMA IS A BAD CHOICE FOR AMERICA AT THIS STAGE , HILLARY WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE ,TOO MUCH BETTER. HIS(OBAMA’S) CANDIDACY IS SPIKING RACISM AND RELIGION. THESE ARE HUMAN BELIEVES THAT COULD BREAK A NATION INTO PIECES.LORD GIVE US OUR SENSES BACK SO THAT WE CAN REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT
Posted by: A True black American | May 16, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Even Bush’s Sec of Defense says he intends to talk to Iran.
Posted by: bruce becker | May 16, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Bush is negotiating with North Korea as we speak. Is North Korea not a part of the axis of evil, along with Iran & Syria ? He is offering them incentives to stop their nuclear program.
Bush struck a deal with Libya – a country that blew up american airliner over scotland killing americans.
As we speak, He is paying and negotiating with the Iraqi insurgents to stop the war in Iraq.
Is George Bush not the greatest appeaser and hypocrite of all times?
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Phil: I expect we will because there is no way the Rethugs can ever debate issues. They are totally screwed in that regard. So the heroes of the republican party, (your heroes) Rush Limbaugh (Drug addled gasbag) Sean Hannity (Closet homosexual) Glen Beck, Hugh Hughet et al will all be out screeching how black Obama is and how can we vote for him. Thats all they got. And what do all of these guys have in common with Bush and Cheney?? They LOOOOOVE war but they all dodged the draft and most under very suspect circumstances. I have served my country and proudly and I am disgusted by what this group of criminals have reduced it to.
Posted by: thea2b | May 16, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
You gotta love Joe Biden…
Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE), chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee absolutely tore into President George W. Bush for his comments from Israel, which appeared to take a swipe at Obama.
Bush said this morning, “Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement.”
An exasperated Biden skewered Bush over that in a conference call with reporters, calling the comments “pure politics,” “blatant,” “beneath the presidency,” “truly disgraceful,” “outrageous,” “disturbing,” “ridiculous hypocrisy” and “long-distance Swiftboating.” He even said Bush “oughta get a life.”
“For this president to go on the attack against Barack Obama,” Biden said. “It cannot go unanswered.” [Possible veep audition?]
Coupling Bush’s comments with McCain’s assertion that it’s clear who Hamas wants to be president, Biden said he sees “an ugly pattern emerging.”
He said the president should “get in touch with his administration.”
“I assume he’s going to fire his Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense,” Biden said. “They want engagement of Iran.”
He went on. “This is the kind of political rhetoric which continues to masquerade as policy,” Biden said. “All they have is masquerades.”
And… “This is why we’re in the situation we’re in,” he said, as he criticized Bush for “demonizing” Democrats.
Bush “should try to figure out how to dig us out of the God awful hole this president has gotten us into.” He added that when he travels abroad, “I don’t criticize the president” –no matter how much they might disagree on various facets of foreign policy. In fact, he said he has defended the president when abroad.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/15/1027733.aspx
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
For a guy who has been fighting against 4 entities (Clinton, McCain, Bush, Fox News) he is pretty tough!
Posted by: John | May 16, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
alex: I suppose you are referring to Obama’s grandfather on his mother’s side correct? Obama said in his book that he didn’t identify with his white side. I asked someone else here if they could get the “investigative reporter” she cited to do a background piece on his patriarcial side. Haven’t heard back on that one.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Bush is negotiating with North Korea as we speak. Is North Korea not a part of the axis of evil, along with Iran & Syria ? He is offering them incentives to stop their nuclear program.
Bush struck a deal with Libya – a country that blew up american airliner over scotland killing americans.
As we speak, He is paying and negotiating with the Iraqi insurgents to stop the war in Iraq.
Is George Bush not the greatest appeaser and hypocrite of all times?
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Good Letter Mr. Weinstein…………you said it all
Posted by: Barb | May 16, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Obama has to vision to lead the world community.
McCain says he doesnt understand economics.
Let’s have all the candidates submit to testing of their short term memory and for incipient Alzheimer’s.
Isnt it interesting that older voters are wary of McCain. They know that they dont recall details, just like McCain. McCain is known in the Senate, as “not a detail man’. That is code for ‘doesnt remember’.
Posted by: bruce becker | May 16, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
In reading many of the comments here, it seems that many people are missing the point of what Mr. Obama’s intentions are regarding communicating with our adversaries.
Mr. Obama does not propose appeasement, but the use of sensible, inclusive diplomacy. This begins with low-level talks on regional problems involving all interested parties. Bush and McCain make it seems as though Mr. Obama is going to call the Iranian President personally and try to solve problems. Bush, who has caused more damage diplomatically than any president in the history of the U.S. would bade well in just enjoying his final days attempting to heal the wounds that his administration has perpetrated in this country and abroad.
Posted by: Ray Acevedo-Flores | May 16, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Bush is negotiating with North Korea as we speak. Is North Korea not a part of the axis of evil, along with Iran & Syria ? He is offering them incentives to stop their nuclear program.
Bush struck a deal with Libya – a country that blew up american airliner over scotland killing americans.
As we speak, He is paying and negotiating with the Iraqi insurgents to stop the war in Iraq.
Is George Bush not the greatest appeaser and hypocrite of all times?
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Obama has to vision to lead the world community.
McCain says he doesnt understand economics.
Let’s have all the candidates submit to testing of their short term memory and for incipient Alzheimer’s.
Isnt it interesting that when polled, older voters say they are wary of McCain. They know that they dont recall details, just like McCain. McCain is known in the Senate, as “not a detail man’. That is code for ‘doesnt remember’.
Posted by: bruce becker | May 16, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Biden also sharply criticized Bush’s — and John McCain’s, for that matter — Mideast policy, or in McCain’s case lack thereof, Biden said. He called Bush’s policy an “abject failure,” “truly delusional” and “backwards.”
“The president’s saber rattling has been the most self-defeating policy imaginable … spurs instability in the Middle East … increase in price of oil … plays into the hands of those Iranian leaders he rails against.
“Since when, since when has talking removed no from the American vocabulary.
More: “This is the same president, who talks about appeasement, the same one who asks me to get on a plane and talk to Qaddafi,” Biden said. “The same president who made a deal with Qaddafi. He writes letters, ‘Dear Mr. Chairman’ to Kim Jong Il.
“He oughta get a life here … Under George W. Bush’s watch, Iran, not freedom has been on the march … They’re a lot closer to the bomb… He calls Maliki our guy … Whose policy produced that? Whose watch was that? … Iran’s proxy Hezbollah is on the ascendancy. Don’t take my word for it, look at NIE … Afghanistan, Pakistan, Al Qaeda is stronger now.
“We should take zero backseat to this pres, talking about appeasement. … Under him, Israel is less safe.”
Biden also admitted to initially calling Bush’s comments “bull—-.”
“I reacted viscerally,” he said. “But the essence of what I said was accurate. I should have said malarkey.”
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
I hope the right wing supremacists will be crushed in this election and will be repenting for the next four years.
Posted by: KD | May 16, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
“He is THE ONE we have been waiting for.” Ms Oprah Winfrey
If you racist would just visit Obama’s web site and read his positions you would agree.
I am happy for my gay friends in California. They can claim “marriage”. When Obama becomes President over McSame in November then all our gay friends can get married. Obama supports gay marriage because he loves all people.
Stop hating racists and rednecks.
He is sent from God. He will be an instrument of God’s will. He will be more popular through the world than even Jesus. He will bring world peace.
He is THE ONE!
No, I am not one of the paid Obama bloggers but I know God’s will when I see it!
Obama ’08
Posted by: Yes We Can | May 16, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
david,
Actually, to sit down with leaders of other countries won’t make America weak but make people in the world be our friends and respect us.
Think about yourself. You will prefer someone who is willing to sit down and talk to you.
Bush is a failure in foreigh policy. We need to change the country.
Posted by: Gina123456 | May 16, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Obama and Clinton had 4 debates and Hillary won all of them. Obama is affraid
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Bush is negotiating with North Korea as we speak. Is North Korea not a part of the axis of evil, along with Iran & Syria ? He is offering them incentives to stop their nuclear program.
Bush struck a deal with Libya – a country that blew up american airliner over scotland killing americans.
As we speak, He is paying and negotiating with the Iraqi insurgents to stop the war in Iraq.
Is George Bush not the greatest appeaser and hypocrite of all times?
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
I have heard bad bad Bush, bad bad Clinton with his lusty non-christian ways, and all the bad things the other presidents have done. Try to look at all the good everyone has done. Look at the glass as half full for once. Use the intelligence God provides. Obama is a new little boy in the political playground, anyone can take a snip at him and he will jump. McCane is a tired old man he wants to show wisdom. Either will do something good, the item that is done wrong will be mediaized, opinionized, and much more. If we had Al Gore in office for 911, we would have not gone to war. Maybe he would have taken out Iran first. Demacrates and Republicans are the same thing, just different places to put the money. Did someone once say it was the root of all evil. All opinions are exactly that, an opinion. All people are exactly that the children of one. The angry are the heathen and the happy are the real children. One opinion I can think of is, there are much better canidates out there but they are not stupid enough to run.
Posted by: Jim | May 16, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
God’s will does not have anything to do with politics and you shouldn’t use his name in vain, no matter how much you adore Obama and his cult. He is a politician and a bad politician that sells the government projects for money.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Yona- I’m not sure who Mr. Weinstein is but he is a good researcher and writer. He really captures many peoples objections to Obama.
Posted by: john s | May 16, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Next comes the flagrant foul by Bush, ending of your civil rights. Oh, I forgot, we lost those a few years ago.
Anyone care? Anyone see the first three minutes of Pirates of the Carib, #3? Those rights that were ‘suspended’ are the rights that you have lost , in the USA. Only Obama says he will restore your right to be charged with a crime (habeas corpus).
Or are we supposed to focus on Biblical issues the next six months?
I would like the Constitution back. Vote for Obama.
Posted by: bruce becker | May 16, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
thea2b ..See the problem here? First you claim that “no way the Rethugs can ever debate issues. They are totally screwed in that regard.” Then you tell me that:”So the heroes of the republican party, (your heroes)”. HUH? Who said anyone in your post are “my heros?” My political heros include: Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, among others. The major problem we have in our country is that people assume much more than actually exists. So whom is no willing to debate issues? I have watched the Democratic party slide from being something that I was very proud of, to being hijacked by the bitter left. And yes, I’m kinda old, but once I was a “Kid for Kennedy” in that campaign. It TRULY “burns me up” that since the DNC figured that a Democratic candidate would be a “shoe-in” that the person we got is an inexperienced first term senator. I’m not thrilled at ALL with the Republican candidate either! THIS is the best our country can offer us?
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
A lot of Racist bigots on this blog !!!
They use flimsy reasons to support their hatred of Obama which actually is based on racism. We see through your words.
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Where in the world is Michelle Obama, and what does she hate about America today?
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
“This is the same president, who talks about appeasement, the same one who asks me to get on a plane and talk to Qaddafi,” Biden said. “The same president who made a deal with Qaddafi. He writes letters, ‘Dear Mr. Chairman’ to Kim Jong Il.
“He oughta get a life here … Under George W. Bush’s watch, Iran, not freedom has been on the march … They’re a lot closer to the bomb… He calls Maliki our guy … Whose policy produced that? Whose watch was that? … Iran’s proxy Hezbollah is on the ascendancy. Don’t take my word for it, look at NIE … Afghanistan, Pakistan, Al Qaeda is stronger now.
“We should take zero backseat to this pres, talking about appeasement. … Under him, Israel is less safe.”
Biden also admitted to initially calling Bush’s comments “bullshit.”
“I reacted viscerally,” he said. “But the essence of what I said was accurate. I should have said malarkey.”
Obama/Biden 08
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Are the liberals lining up to fight Obama’s future war in Pakistan? Obama is a pencil necked coward who doesn’t have a manly bone in his body.
Posted by: Dave | May 16, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Lol. I bet you Obama haters just can’t stand the fact that he’s gonna be President and theres nothing you can do about it.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 16, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Bush is negotiating with North Korea as we speak. Is North Korea not a part of the axis of evil, along with Iran & Syria ? He is offering them incentives to stop their nuclear program.
Bush struck a deal with Libya – a country that blew up american airliner over scotland killing americans.
As we speak, He is paying and negotiating with the Iraqi insurgents to stop the war in Iraq.
Is George Bush not the greatest appeaser and hypocrite of all times?
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Geldo any critic of Obama is racism? He is an empty politician with no experience, a lot of bad decissions and a fake. That is not racism, I say the same about Bush.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Obama blew this one. He shouldn’t act so guilty. He should have just said “I agree with president Bush that we should not negotiate with terrorists”. Instead, he got all full of wind, cried, stamped his feet, and got his henchmen to fight his battles. Then he holds a stuttering news conference when people find how childish he is. Is it any wonder Bush mention Nazis in Israel when 6,000,000 jews were murdered by the Nazis? When Iran wants to do the same to the remaining Jews?
Obama is a fool. McCain said he would only meet with preconditions. Oddly, Bush had been multilateral with Iran, like the dems demanded, now they want him to be unilateral.
Posted by: Karen | May 16, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
If we would all stop arguing and making racial slurs or comments that degrade another human being, we could possibly do something to change circumstances for people that are need.
30,000 children die a day, in ONE day alone. And we decide to argue about he/she said this or that. Why-Unite and Love others regardless if they are within your same race, religion, or culture.
Seek peace and change will follow within your own life and those that you affect.
Please.
Posted by: Rachel | May 16, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
To “The Orale” you are right. i think he will be the next president and there is nothing i can do about it. Our great nation was able to withstand 8 years of neocon rule under bush, i hope we will be able to withstand 4 years of shea rule under obama.
Posted by: jimt | May 16, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Terrorists are drooling to meet with Obama without any pre-conditions. All they need to do is stroke his inflated ego a bit and he’d give them the keys to the country.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Ray Acevedo-Flores NICE POST.
One more thing:
Bush taunts our would-be allies.
Remember the French fry jokes?
Posted by: bruce becker | May 16, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Geldo: Ohhh, playing the race card! I really REALLY hate that one. It is the most asinine card to pull out of the deck. If anyone says anything about Obama, doesn’t like his views, his stance on a subject, it’s because they are racist. The only racisim I’ve seen in the primaries is the fact that over 90% of black people vote for Obama. If that’s not racist I don’t know what is.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
The Oracle. Do you really think that he can be President with just the African American vote and a few college kids?
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Bush as usual is full of hypocrisy. He is so far up the saudies butts it’s pathetic as we all know they are the culprits on 9/11. As for Mc Cain he is a pity!. Has anyone noticed he looks and sounds just like Bobby from King of the Hill? Was the character inspired with him in mind?
Posted by: staystrong | May 16, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Maybe if we would all light a candle and hold hands, then we could really make a difference in the world…..yeah, right! HAHAAHAHAHAA
Posted by: Lee | May 16, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Obam is an elitist and a FRAUD. He must be bitter since he infers the Prez was talking about him, jimmy Carter and Sean Penn. What an ego.
Posted by: Dean O | May 16, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
it about time Sen McCain speak up he nor his dad his grandfather speak up for what did the American black GI went hell at home and at war you call Sen McCain a hero in Black American we call those Black GI hero we in black american been waiting for 60 years to tell our story about WW11 we never here about the black GI had to burial the dead in those camp for once some one tell the whole truth and yes we in Black American are mad as hell the we will tell the real story yes lots of our father grangfather greatgrandfather tell us about what they had to put up with and we are not going to let Sen McCain forget what our hero went threw hell in american wars we here lots of story white GI tell japanase black peoples have tail Sen McCain love to tell jokes this WW11 is a story that peoples need to know and here it from a black GI you will get the real story no BS
Posted by: Richard Robinson | May 16, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Dave, you probably voted for Bush twice. Go sit in timeout.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 16, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
it about time Sen McCain speak up he nor his dad his grandfather speak up for what did the American black GI went hell at home and at war you call Sen McCain a hero in Black American we call those Black GI hero we in black american been waiting for 60 years to tell our story about WW11 we never here about the black GI had to burial the dead in those camp for once some one tell the whole truth and yes we in Black American are mad as hell the we will tell the real story yes lots of our father grangfather greatgrandfather tell us about what they had to put up with and we are not going to let Sen McCain forget what our hero went threw hell in american wars we here lots of story white GI tell japanase black peoples have tail Sen McCain love to tell jokes this WW11 is a story that peoples need to know and here it from a black GI you will get the real story no BS
Posted by: Richard Robinson | May 16, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
I think the problem with Obama is that he is even more of a lightweight than George Bush was when he ran for president. Obama has no experience in foreign affairs other than dashing off e-mails to an adoring press when he feels the president attacked him. He sure is sensitive though…
Posted by: flam | May 16, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
And Karen, you plain sound stupid. Sorry.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 16, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Obuma lied.
We all saw him on TV saying he’d sit down with rogue nations with no pre-conditions. What a lightweight. He’s no different from Bush who displayed the same naivete about foreign policy through most of his presidency.
But at least Bush has a set between his legs!
Posted by: Reagan Democrat | May 16, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Oh please give me a break… Obama wants to debate McCain but he would not do another debate with Hillary.
Posted by: cookie | May 16, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
One more thing.
I just love how Obuma keeps repeating “now that’s a debate that I look forward to”.
Oh really?
More lies.
Posted by: Reagan Democrat | May 16, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Obama will be a greater mistake than Bush .This is a fact because terrorists will attack us the more and also we would attack ourselves the more as Blacks will soon be attacking whites and vice versal. This will even be a more bitter war than what we are experiencing now
Posted by: A True black American | May 16, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Lol. Yea Reagan Dem, and thats the reason you’re riding hogs and horses to work and why your daughter is wearing her older bros clothes. Guess that “set” really got you far huh??
Posted by: The Oracle | May 16, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
But McCain is not friends with anyone who carried out terrorist bombings here in the US. Obama is. Obamatized = lobotomized
Richard Robinson is not a black American, he’s an America hater posing as a cartoonish black man. Nice try. GO back to the middle east
Posted by: flam | May 16, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
i just wanted to point out a critical detail – obama only responded to this after mccain co-signed bush and mentioned obama by name. obama did not make this about obama – mccain did
Posted by: mak jobi | May 16, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Obama perhaps doesn’t understand that direct talks were held with Hitler and Mussolini many times and the lack of strength demonstrated by Great Britain was a direct contributing factor to WWII. He is now pretending that direct talks are something new which have never been tried. Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. I think he is just too inexperienced to be a President
Posted by: majallen | May 16, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Obama wants to debate McCain? Does he want to have a debate on stammering, or will he say “I agree with Sen McCain, but, I was a community organizer”
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
I would like to point out that it is awfully pretentious of Obama to demand a debate with McCain when he isn’t even the democratic nominee. Of course, in Obama’s elite world, he is already wearing the dictator of the United States mantle. Maybe Obama and Hillary should debate McCain together, you know, like the good old days when Obama and Edwards ganged up on Hillary and still had their butts kicked. Hillary, Obama and McCain Debate – That would be Awesome. Check out this article about where Hillary would be in superdelegate count if the superdelegates followed their voting districts as Obama demanded. http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/14/according-to-obama-hillary-is-winning/
Posted by: calli | May 16, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Look. This boils down to ya’ll lost. Its that simple, get over it. For the 1′s that say he’s an “empty suit”. I understand, its easier to be TOLD what to do then actually researching things. Thats what the pundits call “uneducated voters”. But if you would try to use your computer for gaining knowledge and not for spewing ill-bred, ignorant, pre-concived notions. You might just educate yourselves.
Posted by: The Oracle | May 16, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
the prophesy…
Barack Obama will be POTUS. There will be positive change because of it.
The fuel for the negative, radical so-called “islamic attitude” towards America will evaporate almost as soon as Bush is out and Obama is sworn in.
soon after, the path towards more co-operative attitudes in the islamic world toward israel will be free of the stones that impede the progress of co-existing and positively interractive jewish and islamic states.
initialy, there will be an international sence of “now what and how” but as the weeks and months pass and campaign rhetoric adjusts to reality and becomes action, there will be a gradually growing sence of confidence in the new leadership’s sincere, willingness and ability to present fair and agreeable diplomatic resolutions to many of the crucial conflicts that have long been disasterous for global peace and prosperity.
those few internatioanl “leaders” (i do use that term generously as it would relate to the cowards behind terrorist agendas) and/or organizations that would take this kindess for weakness would be foolish to do so.
THE FULL MIGHT OF A WELL EQUIPPED, WELL TRAINED, AND FULLY SUPPORTED UNITED STATES MILITARY WILL BE READY IN ADVANCE FOR ANY TREACHERY AND/OR AGRESSION THAT THEY MAY CONSPIRE TO BRING AGAINST US OR OUR ALLIES…DON’T EVEN TRY IT!!!
many that had sincere and objective doubts will come around and add their support while others will deny the proven progress and benefit from it anyway.
The only hate and opposition to our new administration will come from within, via the mislead, ill informed, fearfull, ignorant, racist sympathizers, bigots and the insatiable greed of corrupt politicians, corporations and war profiteers…
do not fear them…thier time has passed.
the rest of us must pray that THE FATHER will continue to bless America and the rest of the world for the sake of those who love peace.
for the sake of those who are willing to work out our differences in a way that shows love and promotes conversation, co-operation and reconciliation rather than isolation and the obvious consequenes of non-communicative or negotiative policies and discord.
accept this message and accept THE FATHER who sent me.
Posted by: the son | May 16, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Iran gives money to religious freaks who strap on bombs and blow themselves up in markets and bus stops. Look at lebanon, look at palestine, look at the militias in iraq and afghanistan. these are who obama wants to talk to. Why would anyone want to try and negotiate anything with them? You don’t negotiate with terrorists, that’s what they want, that’s why they use terrorism. To use fear as a bargaining chip for concessions to their demands. Obama is an idiot and putting my kids lives in jeopardy.
Posted by: Steve | May 16, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
To: “david from texas”
What do you call DUB’s “Negotiations” with The Saudi’s? There couldn’t possibly be any terrorists connected with the Saudi Government could there? Remember 911? Wake up and smell the cow S**T David.
Posted by: Goliath From Texas | May 16, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
That’s a debate he’s willing to have & will win says Obama.
Yeah right, that’s why he runs & hides from debating Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: deb | May 16, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
the son — Hey, type Rev Jones, Jonestown into your search engine. Very simular to your post
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
It’s sad that people are so desperate for change that they would keep propping up this no nothing, done nothing emtpy-suit. You’ll get change in November and his name is McCain. After that, there will be 4 years to lick your wounds, go back to the drawing board, and come up with a legitimate candidate.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
The Oracle and ABC Why Obama does not show substance himself? Why do I have to go to websites and blogs prepared by his staff? He may winthe nomination, but he is still unelectable. Senator Clinton must run Independent and you will see who the real Democrats will support.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
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Posted by: Help Needed | May 16, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Politico dot com
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Blog against McCain
Visit and post anonymous comments attacking Obama.
Make it fair and balanced
Thank you!
Posted by: Help Needed | May 16, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
America had a chance to discipline herself pertaining to oil, our savings rate, debt, the environment…however, she decided to remain undisciplined. Well, whether we like it or not, we all will be disciplined by life. The question is who will be doing the disciplining. Either we will have self-discipline, or an outsider will impose discipline on us to change. But make no mistake – discipline will happen. Of couse, the latter is far more painful and full of regret. Seeking an alternative fuel source early in the game, would have taking tremendous discipline and leadership – well, now we’re being disciplined by the Saudis (whom Bush is begging today to open their oil spout a little bit more). Our avaricious appetites have caused most Americans to live well beyond our means and living in ‘quiet desparation,’ (and in need of HOPE). We can go on and on… As our middle-class quickly becomes oblitherated while other countries’ middle-classes are burgeoning, it will become more obvious to the average 3rd grade educated American that if we are not vigilant, we are flirting with the verge of an empire’s end; when we can’t afford to travel, eat, retire, etc. This trajectory has been exasterbated by the likes of Bush, et al. Why not – let them finish the job of running this country into the ground? They’re almost done. It seems to me – based on many of the blogs here – change is bad, however more of the same deterioration of our economy, status, etc. is good. Sure, let’s get another of the 7 Dwarfs in the White House – why not vote for Sleepy – “My friends…”
Posted by: America | May 16, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
I would like to point out that a 12 year old blew himself up at a funeral yesterday and killed 11-13 people. If Obama thinks talking with dictators who have followers that send their children out to commit murder by blowing themselves up and reason with them, then Obama is really naive and living in another reality. Unfortunately, unless it happens in a shopping mall, a school, a grocery store, or nightclub, or on a bus in America, Americans will never understand what Israelis live with every moment of their lives.
Posted by: frisco girl | May 16, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
real Democrats do not want Obama. Write Senator Clinton on the ballot.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
“ANOTHER ONE OF THE REPUBLICAN FEAR TACTICS!”
You ever think that maybe it’s not a tactic and that there is something to fear. That something mainly being fanatics who want to kill us because we’re not muslims?
It’s not like they haven’t given us several examples of what they can do, twin towers, london buses, spainish subway…
What is wrong with you people? They want to kill you while you ride the bus to work you idiots!
Posted by: Steve | May 16, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Well, I guess Obuma could get himself a “set”, but Michelle would first have to give up hers!
Posted by: Reagan Democrat | May 16, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Koresh, Jones, Obama Why people fall in cults
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
dubya is a hell-bound jacka55 who supports terrorism more than he hurts it with his ignorant and incompetent actions……that said, only Senator Clinton is capable of uniting the world in an expedient manner to confront and defeat terrorism….
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
What a jerk BHO is…he is so vain and egotistical…and when I think of the
millions of Kool Aid drinkers that are putting him there, I could scream.
Having BHO is president is like giving a 3 y.o. a Porsche….I am scared to death of this guy and his militant wife.
We are doomed.
Posted by: Barbara | May 16, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Supporting Obama is like becoming awakened. You can’t explain his policies. No one can. You just have to feel them. I think I’m going to faint.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
As long as Obama has Zbig Brezinski as his foreign policy advisor, Obama is not fit to make any comments regarding his position on Israel until he fires Brezinski..am I hearing crickets from the Obama camp? Brezinski is Mika on Morning Joe’s father – Mika should not talk about this election or offer her opinion on MSNBC until the election is over!
Posted by: calli | May 16, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Read The Wisdom
In the beginning humanity struggled for its place in the cosmos.
We were awash with the forces of light and darkness. The primordial.
We were all alone. In confusion. In Pain. In need.
Less than human, were we. Simply to survive was our greatest need.
Far from many distractions of today, it was a struggle that forced man to think.
He turned his eyes to the heavens looking for answers;
great and powerful it was filled with eternal beauty.
At night the lights were both awe inspiring and filled
with hope.
He believed in the heavens.
Yet it was when he turned his
eyes inward that the real journey began.
This was the beginning of Wisdom.
We The Collective have gazed down the corridors of time.
We have read the many secrets passed from one generation to another and kept this wisdom to ourselves until the time was right.
We taught the great ones who walked on the sands of the world.
Read these words for they are appropriate and will greatly benefit you.
Meditate upon these words as if your life depended upon it. Because it truly does.
Always remember there are no endings without a new beginning.
Love and Blessings
We will be watching, we are the Ancients
The Most Basic Teachings Long Forgotten
When you continually bring in the sad thoughts and feelings,
you keep that alive inside you. What happens is that more of
these thoughts build up inside.
We know this creates energy from within the universe that
responds to your sad and unhappy thoughts.
Without you consciously understanding this, you have brought
more sadness back into your life.
It is a bottomless cavern for you. You create your own sorrow over and over again. When you are so low in your sorrow you do not receive the wisdom and teachings and can only resonate sadness.
You will not see of what we teach you, because you deal in your own pain.
So we leave you until once again your drive is based in joy and happiness.
Everything that happens to you is because you will it to be such.
While we value your company we cannot help your spiritual being, when it is in a sad response.
You will cause a plague on humanity as a sad being.
You must resonate happy thoughts at all costs.
The creation of your thoughts are powerful energy transmitters to the universe. A happy thought is much easier to create than an unhappy one.
These happy thoughts, whence they build, will consume you with euphoria.
Energy travels around in your body and reaches a pinnacle that is sent out into the universe.
This energy is strong and it is received
and processed. We know it is passed back to you and attuned to your happiness.
We feel the energy and we are drawn to the bright light energy.
It is in this time that we now see you are ready to evolve.
We will start with whisperings to your heart.
You will see the light sooner than you think.
Higher levels of manifestation of your thoughts are always possible.
There will be those beings that will not always understand this process.
We know that there are many that will teach and guide others.
We constantly seek these ones out.
They receive the energy on a higher plane to communicate with.
These human guides will be the beacons of light and hope for many.
We now encourage you to write powerful words on paper.
These words will contain your desires to the universe.
Next to these words place a symbol of your choosing that
you wish an association with.
Bring to the universe the symbol of your desire and it will be received
for part of you may only understand symbols.
Bring all your emotions and attention to the symbols for the words have been already chosen. We know it is easier to manifest thoughts from symbols and so we offer this to you.
Many civilizations have used this thought process and we see no reason to change this. Study the ancients for there is power in their teachings. We are the ancients.
Now you must become one with us.
These teachings have been passed through many ages and we have always encouraged those who need to know.
We also reject the teachings of the dark ones who walk the outer reaches of the vastness of the universe. You must do the same.
A ship will crash against rocks if the light beacon is not lit in the dark sea. Do not allow your dark thoughts to engulf you in the same manner. You can perish at your own hands if you do not set your course away from the rocks.
Be guided by your inner person.
This beacon is the brightest light known.
It is deep inside you, a tremendous power.
Bright light in all forms has been known through all time as a symbol of energy and power. In this light there is purity of the soul.
Your inner person MUST be the light transmitter.
This bright light energy draws us closer.
We hear you and respond.
We prefer to gather together to teach as the energy is stronger for you to receive.
Our names are not as important but rather you understanding our purpose.
We talk in unison and make all communication common for your understanding.
Fear us not but rather accept us and respond to the teachings as old as time itself. Accept that not everyone should know us on a spiritual level.
We choose who will be the voice for us to guide others.
In this time there are many who now represent our voice.
Even if you do not speak for us you may echo the thoughts to help humanity evolve. It is your sacred duty.
Guidance is a learned task that requires much patience.
Patience brings more understanding.
Understanding brings more wisdom.
Wisdom brings more harmony.
Harmony brings more joy.
Joy brings more love.
Finally love brings completeness.
These are the steps that we encourage
you to be guided by.
Do not listen to the voices of chaos. They also exist.
These voices are the cruel intentions. They
will destroy you.
Our mere presence for this learning is valuable. Understand. Many words have been written, but we did not teach them.
Gather yourselves to those that would now teach you our words in full.
The wave of mankind’s energy is changing.
We are here to help in this transition as you are also part of us.
The anger of the past and present is from misguided ones who cannot see.
Soon a new order will arise as humanity grows weary of hate.
These ones control and hold captive those who would choose another way.
Their words are tainted with the blood they spilled and we see the pain.
Twisted words are now to be replaced with words that fill you with joy.
Your thoughts are your own and none have the right to control them.
Dark words have made much sorrow over many centuries in time.
We have heard all the words and confusion.
You were made in a perfect state.
Your mind is greater than any mechanical invention you can create.
To create any invention it was a single thought and vision in the mind.
This in turn became a symbol from which to draw energy.
That energy created the very invention held in the mind.
So now we say create your own perfection from your mind
so that your inner being may rejoice.
Your responses to your own thoughts are the gifts from which you shall receive.
Your own minds thoughts are seen as symbols to us.
We connect to the energy and all the energy around the thoughts.
The process of thought is remarkable indeed.
The universe harvests all thoughts.
If you believe it is, then it shall be.
We now finally implore you to place yourself in this energy pinnacle.
Be guided by new and enriched teachings.
Make all the choices in your future stand firm.
If you doubt your choice then it is not the correct decision.
Process your thoughts to receive all energy given.
Believe all this and you will be master of your own destiny.
Make your bright energy shine. Grow into a new understanding.
Replace past thoughts with strong flows of positive connected energy.
We will be watching you with interest.
About Wisdom-
True wisdom is not often spoken. It can be learned through experience. Lower animals learn quickly.
Higher ones should too but they often do not. Their intelligence and emotions can cloud their observations and choices.
You always seek to reach beyond what you have
but until you understand the now, you may never have
what you truly want.
Freedom.
Love.
Goodness.
A being that looks at a pyramid does so from the bottom.
He views the top as far away and naturally fears the height.
You must see yourself at the top of the pinnacle looking down.
Then and only then will you understand; that it is this thought that is the universal symbol that few grasp.
Being on the top ensures you will and must succeed
as you attract those things into your life that ensure it.
This on top must be in your mind and expand outward.
Remember you must remove obstacles from your mind
Otherwise you will cloud your own thoughts and never
attract that what you must have to complete the vision.
We seek to fill the gaps. We seek to fill you with your true power that you gave to us when you came here to learn. It was by choice that you arrived here but to prevent the madness and confusion you entered this world with no memory.
This is our duty.
We are your teachers by choice as we are also you;
many of us have existed over and over in different lives. It is what grants us strength and love and power.
We gather in the darkness and we watch.
We are surrounded by the sands of your world, projecting our thoughts to those who will now listen. For the message we bring is one of hope, love, trust, faith and learning of the Ancient ways.
Do not fear us. Do not truly fear any being.
Do not allow fear to destroy you.
Fear is indeed the only true and last remaining enemy.
For the few that discover this, there is great power in this thought.
We do not mean foolhardiness.
We mean to live a life free from irrational fears and bondage to them.
In the end there is truly nothing to fear.
We have whispered these words into many great beings of your world.
Those who listened have and shall live forever, in the
minds and hearts of many.
Learn from them and their writings.
To Humanity
Long have we seen the horror inflicted by man on his fellow being.
Few can question your talents for death and destruction.
War is your greatest achievement. What many call “Religion” is nothing more than a
proving ground for predators, thieves, animals and those bent on doing great harm.
These beings rise in darkness, or with the help of clergy and know that to control people,
they must first enslave them in thought.
Down through time this enslavement has always been through Religion.
For the few that truly profess to do no harm from most Religious beliefs
can or will hold to this for very long.
The very nature of most religions is to conquer and divide. To powerfully hate.
The very few who do use religion to do the work of light are so few that they
are impossibly outnumbered by the masses who simply exist and blindly follow
those who will destroy.
The masses always seek Religion as an escape, a social gathering, a place to speak ill of others and almost never for the real work of spreading goodness and love.
Many listen to so called words of great wisdom from religion, yet it does nothing to change them.
A brief feeling of guilt or deep need of forgiveness is enough for them as they pause then go about their work of darkness and oppression of their fellow.
Religious doctrine fails humanity time and time again.
More so because of your inherited thoughts of need to do harm to your fellow being.
This need is great, powerful and fed by dark forces.
If you hear nothing else hear this; all world religions
fall short because they divide humanity.
For by dividing beings from beings you cause great harm. This is the real terror.
Harming another you feed off of their misery and substitute the right energy of
love and joy for the narcotic of anger and fear.
Many seek this darkness and feel this as power.
Yet it is a lie fed by the dark forces.
Because they have this dark power they will not give this up for the light.
And it will consume them and offer nothing in its wake.
Yet they hold the key to their own freedom.
For you all are blessed with talents that you may magnify AT WILL.
What you love is what will grow in your life. Yet also what you HATE
is what will grow in your life.
That choice hence far by many has been to destroy.
To harm.
To divide.
To oppress another being who is seeking truth, love and joy is an unspeakable evil to us.
Man is the only highly intelligent predator that systematically and directly feeds on their own kind.
You oppress and divide on the mere skin color of a being. On the way they look or dress.
How can such a class of being who judges others so be called anything but an animal?
How can you let this continue?
We stand with you and see this. We are horrified.
Death, division and hurt are now your art.
How mighty in darkness you have become.
Fools.
Awaken!
You must awaken from your horrible nightmare,
and soon, lest you consume the whole universe.
We are always with you. We are watching as you speak to each other. Words become patterns of action that create things that transform into lasting living symbols.
By the symbol you must become known. Symbols transcend life and last throughout the ages.
By your symbol you grow strong. By your symbol you become more than just you.
Your past must be examined to grow to your future and unlock this symbol.
Look for patterns in your past.
What you love.
What you do.
Search the inner depths of your heart and experiences
that caused you pain in your past, they are linked.
Use this information to discover and unlock it.
Master YOUR symbol.
Then and only then will you truly master your life.
As children we were at play. Play taught us much;
how to make sense of the world around us.
How to interact with those around us.
Most importantly, how to simply be.
Being has been lost over the years as we move from child to teenager.
Not fully adult, not a child, we search for deeper meaning in our lives.
We want to grow but so much prevents this.
In the end we suffer with the realization we are not free as children, or able to be as adults.
So we struggle to come to terms with things that are beyond us. Only when we touch our inner being do we transcend our age and become eternal and aware.
All the wisdom of the greatest and wisest can NOT be achieved until we first embrace our past. Become one with the child outside and deep inside.
Laugh often. Play as you have never played before.
For play is the essence of discovery – and before a great doorway you will then stand.
Open the door and pass through to discover that you are a child again -
this time whole and healed ready for adulthood.
All beings sleep, even spirits rest from their labours. Rest is good if balance is to be maintained. Yet many humans sleep deeply and never awaken. They journey through life asleep. They never touch their inner being and discover their true power.
How can any being offer anything to their kind if they will not awaken?
It is madness to us.
So much power you have, heart, wisdom, love and strength.
Yet you squander it foolishly.
Arise! Arise!
Go forward and lead your kind out of darkness and be strong. Offer only your best – because in the end only YOU can touch the universe when you awaken.
How can you awaken to your own spirituality?
How can you achieve this new state?
First you must give to others of your positive energy.
This sets the universe in motion.
Like a great pendulum that swings one way, every thought and energy you loose on
the universe, by law, MUST return to you in some form.
We mean give to those who can most benefit from your gifts as they will benefit you the most in cause and effect.
Not animals.
Never give to a human animal.
Never use dark powers, either.
Your gift must be in secret and with love to the being who truly needs and craves the gift.
When you do this the response from this being will be one of gratitude and thanksgiving.
You will receive this energy and it builds on your being. Accept it with thanksgiving as well and use this new energy to create ever more and more positive experiences in your life.
For positive energy must be channeled somewhere.
Where you place this energy is where your gifts will grow.
You are the sum of your deepest and strongest emotions.
Believe in them and they will deliver unto you,
the very essence of your desires. Reject them and
you will weave a tragic tale of darkness. How horrible
that you have all the power inside you, your deepest thoughts that move like a massive unstoppable river – and you die of thirst as a man in the desert.
Reach out with your thoughts and grasp what you need!
What you desire is simply there if you pull it strongly enough to you.
Believe in yourself.
Use your joy and forge your life with it.
For without Joy there is nothing.
Everything is energy and it moves in spirals. From the smallest twist of spiraled dna to the swirls of distant galaxies, the universe is a marvel of the energies of attraction and creation.
We live our lives in the purity of the spiral dance of life.
Seeking to create our own universe, with rising and falling, growing and living our lives in cycles.
In the end we learn that we have lived and yes loved before and will again in some form.
It is the form that we must connect with to tap our
strength and feel the ebb and flow of critical energies.
The moment of truth comes when we are enlightened -
a moment of joy when we have learned a critical lesson in life; and this is always because we have the strength to continue forward when others fall back. To connect with the universal power.
The divine in us and outside of us.
Wisdom will then favour the strong of heart.
Be brave and do not fear for we are all connected.
You must see who you are to become in order for this miracle to happen.
Yes you can change almost anything in your life. With clarity and focus
through meditation you can achieve a state of perfect peace and then
create anything in your life. Trust in this because your inner being
cries out to be discovered.
The passageways of time have brought us here to this point in history.
Humanity is ready for the next step – the spiritual connection. You can feel it
in the air and see it in the eyes of many – as they all crave change. Man must be FREE to explore their own vision.
History is filled with the echo’s of the past that will illuminate the future.
Let your spirit be the beacon of light that shines from within. Let YOUR
spiritual past and inner self – an ancient being – set the tone for your wonderful future.
Make your responses resonate euphoria so you may receive the blessings in turn.
In the final quiet moments of our lives we become the thing we have rejected most of our life. At one with the universe. Death is the great test of all of humanity’s character. The final act. Do not fear.
You may not know us, or even believe in us – but we believe in you.
We love you on a level you simply can not imagine.
You are our children, the children of hope, of light – and you will live again to do what is good and just – remember that you can make the world a brighter place. Call on us – we are eternal and filled hope for all of our children. Help us to save the world. Your world
Better days are soon to be.
-The Collective
Posted by: The Wisdom Speaks | May 16, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
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Posted by: Help Needed | May 16, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
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Blog against McCain
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Make it fair and balanced
Thank you!
Posted by: Help Needed | May 16, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
“ANOTHER ONE OF THE REPUBLICAN FEAR TACTICS!”
You ever think that maybe it’s not a tactic and that there is something to fear. That something mainly being fanatics who want to kill us because we’re not muslims?
It’s not like they haven’t given us several examples of what they can do, twin towers, london buses, spainish subway…
What is wrong with you people? They want to kill you while you ride the bus to work you idiots!
Posted by: Steve | May 16, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
I pray everyday that Obama just goes away, I pray that young people all over America wake up and vote on issues not speeches. I am terrified this man and that women can be in such position of power, I do not trust them. I am hispanic, this has nothing to do with color. His associations, pastor, and even his policies are just plain scary.
Posted by: Mary | May 16, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
“calli” leave mika alone, she is a hottie!
Posted by: jimt | May 16, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Maybe is time for real change. Hillary should run Independent. She will smash Obama and maybe she can also defeat McCain.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
The O Man is an empty vessel that the hopeful pour their wishes into.
Posted by: foutsc | May 16, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
ABC He does not have policies. And you spent 4 months doing personal attacks on Senator Clinton and her family.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Obama is not a man of substance. Maybe, just maybe, he’d learn a bit about what it means to be an American as Hillary’s VP, but no way is he qualified to be at the top of the ticket.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Here are my questions: Senator McCain states that if he is elected President he’ll win the Iraq War by 2013 and American military will return home. How does he plan to accomplish this? Do many Americans actually believe he can pull this off or that this will actually happen? Will Americans be willing to continue to borrow to fund this and forego investments in health care, infrastructure and building our own economy? It seems to me that the Iraq war is a fundamental problem created by Bush that Sen. McCain would willingly continue.
Posted by: 63tango | May 16, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Seriously!
What is wrong with you people? I want to know how it is that you think, it’s like you are disconnected from reality.
They have their own children blow themselves up to accomplish their goals! their own children! How do negotiate with people who use their kids as bombs?
Posted by: Steve | May 16, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Why Obama wants everybody to “answer a lot” but he cries racism everytime he is asked for some answers.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Nobody wants a N-I-G-G-E-R as President.
Posted by: Not | May 16, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Nobody wants a N-I-G-G-E-R as President.
Posted by: Not | May 16, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Please are Americans reasoning at all at following this empty talking suit????
Osama talked promising to attack America the more unless Isreal is wiped ooff from their land. What is Obama going to tell these terrorist??? What did Carter arrived at and the media is playing this down and attacking Bush ??? What a useless and brutish media we have in this country. There are lots of animals in America media mostly in CNN. I think that station(CNN) has lost its bearing
Posted by: A True black American | May 16, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Her policies, her experience, her proven work in helping all Americans. Her ability to answer tough questions, her ability to crush Obama in the Debates.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Obama is a lightweight who has accomplished nothing in his short, inconsequential career. Hope and changes, change for hope, hope for change! Have the audacity to change your hope!
He is less qualified to be president that Bush was when he first ran for office
Posted by: flam | May 16, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
susan
please go to barackobama.com you will see he only needs 128 delegate to become a nominee so get ready to vote for mccain and give us anouther 4 years of bad econocmy 28% approval of the president. obama will be the demc. nomniee so get over over it. weather you like it or not the american people put obama where he is
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Don’t be upset about the stuff that is on here. the abc blog has been filled with hillary and mccain people the whole time. They never talk about anything but personal attacks. As a voter it really turns me off !!
Posted by: Sherelle | May 16, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
no one wants to answer me.
you people are insane.
Posted by: Steve | May 16, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
ABC He does not have policies.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Like Hillabeans, the Repugnants seem to want to change definitions. Now, it seems, all sorts of folks are “terrorists,” including recognized heads of states.
Meanwhile, McBush said several years ago that talking to Hamas made sense.
Dubya’s remarks yesterday WERE aimed at Obama (and others). While the Administration’s favorite Bimbo, Dana Perrino, denied it, administration sources confirmed the intent — which to most observers who haven’t drunk the Bush/McBush Kool-Aid, was pretty obvious.
The racism and hatred you repugnants are showing for Senator and Mrs. Obama i disgusting. No wonder your party is in shambles!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: jackt51 | May 16, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Let’s see… According to all the left wing moonbats, President Bush is an idiot, a moron, etc. Now the President lays a simple little trap and Obama and Co. swallow the bait hook, line and sinker, exposing themselves for what they really are: A bunch of cowardly, thin-skinned sissies who are good to dish it out but can’t take a hit. Obama has not even won the democrat nomination and already wants to debate McCain and is throwing a tantrum. And they say McCain has a short temper? Give me a break…
Posted by: Joaquin B. | May 16, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Let’s see… According to all the left wing moonbats, President Bush is an idiot, a moron, etc. Now the President lays a simple little trap and Obama and Co. swallow the bait hook, line and sinker, exposing themselves for what they really are: A bunch of cowardly, thin-skinned sissies who are good to dish it out but can’t take a hit. Obama has not even won the democrat nomination and already wants to debate McCain and is throwing a tantrum. And they say McCain has a short temper? Give me a break…
Posted by: Joaquin B. | May 16, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
“ANOTHER ONE OF THE REPUBLICAN FEAR TACTICS!”
You ever think that maybe it’s not a tactic and that there is something to fear. That something mainly being fanatics who want to kill us because we’re not muslims?
It’s not like they haven’t given us several examples of what they can do, twin towers, london buses, spainish subway…
What is wrong with you people? They want to kill you while you ride the bus to work you idiots!
Posted by: Steve | May 16, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Who are the appeasers?
On Sunday, Tony Zirkle, a REPUBLICAN candidate for Indiana’s 2nd District, took time out from saving the economy by shredding vintage Playboys (of course!) so he could attend a 119th birthday celebration for Adolf Hitler. He claims he was only there to talk about his experience as a state’s attorney in Indiana, his wacky theories about pornography, and to preach the gospel, so of course his being there had absolutely nothing to do with his segregation plan that would allow blacks to “have six states, so instead of having one half-black senator, well they would have 12.”
Posted by: BlueJersey | May 16, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Who are the appeasers?
On Sunday, Tony Zirkle, a REPUBLICAN candidate for Indiana’s 2nd District, took time out from saving the economy by shredding vintage Playboys (of course!) so he could attend a 119th birthday celebration for Adolf Hitler. He claims he was only there to talk about his experience as a state’s attorney in Indiana, his wacky theories about pornography, and to preach the gospel, so of course his being there had absolutely nothing to do with his segregation plan that would allow blacks to “have six states, so instead of having one half-black senator, well they would have 12.”
Posted by: BlueJersey | May 16, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
SENATOR CLINTON FOR NOVEMBER WRITE-IN
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Hey Sherelle,
If you don’t like it here, take a hike!
Posted by: Reagan Democrat | May 16, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Michelle “That’s America. Ignorant.” Obama
You can take the girl from the ghetto but you cannot get the ghetto out of the girl.
Two bastard children from different men while Obama was out giving head to Larry Sinclair.
Posted by: Ghetto Duo | May 16, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Michelle “That’s America. Ignorant.” Obama
You can take the girl from the ghetto but you cannot get the ghetto out of the girl.
Two bastard children from different men while Obama was out giving head to Larry Sinclair.
Posted by: Ghetto Duo | May 16, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
The annointed one just does not get it. Stick your hand in the cookie jar and you get what you ought to expect. Look at his reverend friend and his dissing of Small-Town and rural America. West Virginia sent him a booming message that he is not qualified to be the party’s nominee. As a Hillary Democrat, who cares about him anyway.
Posted by: benvictor | May 16, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
For those who worship America and the White House. Your worse nightmare is unfolding before you: President Barack H. Obama!!!
Posted by: T.T. Spin | May 16, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Last I looked I didn;t see anyone lose any of their first ammendment rights. You can still go to church, march in the street, write some pretty wild stuff in a blog, read any newspaper, talk on the phone about anything, all without being hauled away by the police. So I don;t see why anyone would think we lost any rights or the Constitution has been trampled.Now in countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Iran,Cuba, Zimbawae, you may trouble doing any or all of those functions. But according to Obama he can sit down with any of those leaders and hold hands and sing kumbiya and the world will be so great. During the Bush term we have seen a major attack on our country, a war in 2 countries, evacuation of 2 major cities and several states, the major economic blows of the stock market bubble, and the subprime mess.No other President in recent history has had to handle those number of events. Bush came to office in controversy that was settled according to the law with the Supreme Court making a decision on what votes to count. He responded to 9/11 with an invasion of Iraq when ALL MAJOR LEADERS OF THE WORLD felt Sadaam had WMDs. The US recovered from the blow of 9/11 and the tech bubble. Our current economic crisis is a result of: subprime mess that has been building since 1976 when a Democratic Congress forced the evil lenders to lend to unqualified applilcants so banks could expand- Those mortgages were securitized in 1995 under Clinton; the price of gas is greatly affected by demand from China, India and the value of the dollar, and Congressional ethanol subsidies; and a normal economic cycle. We have known about the oil issue since the 70′s but environmentalists with Democratic Congress approvals prevented refinerys and nuclear power plants from being built, and prevented drilling of the coast and in ANWR. We have not had an attack on our soil in 7 years and I feel some that has to do with our tightened security precautions. Spain who felt they could negotiate with terrorists by pulling out of Iraq learned a hard lesson that terrorists would still target them. So blaming Bush for all the world ills is pure garbage.Bush and Cheney have done nothing illegal or they would have been impeached. This Democratic Congress has shown they suffer from ineptness and corruption. Democrats and Republicans all have their bad apples. Electing Obama will only lead to more divisiveness in the country as witnessed in this blog. He is the most liberal senator in the Senate and he will not try to unite the country but will only push through the agenda of the Democratic party which is: higher taxes, punish business, make government larger, and make our country less safe. We will all suffer from an Obama Presidency and the only ‘change’ you will have is the ‘change’ left in your pocket.
Posted by: john s | May 16, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Along the lines of “Methinks the lady doth protest too much”, methinks that Obama must be feeling guilty about something for him to take Bush’s statement personally. After all, it is Jimmy Carter and Nancy Pelosi who have literally met with and embraced terrorist leaders. It is also well-know that there are those in Israel who would appease the terrorists in an attempt to stop their violent attacks, so what makes anyone think Bush wasn’t targeting them?
So there are a whole lot of other people who are in line ahead of Obama for a veritable butt-whipping.
As for Biden and Rahm Emmanuel with their “politics ends at the water’s edge” B.S. (I learned that from Joe), why didn’t they say that to all the Dems who have gone overseas and criticized Bush (W.J. Clinton, Carter, Pelosi, McDermott, etc.)? Major hypocrisy there, boys.
And as for fear tactics, let’s ask people like Nicholas Berg and Daniel Pearl whether there is real danger out there. Oops, I’m sorry, they were all decapitated by the Republican “fear tactics” and the GWOT “bumper sticker”. When it comes to protecting us against the nutjobs out there, we can’t trust the Democrats to do it, because they won’t even admit there ARE any nutjobs.
Posted by: Nick in Virginia | May 16, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Our worst nightmare has already been realized. GWB.
Posted by: BlueJersey | May 16, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
let me straighten all the inferior intellects straight: dubya and his cohorts are going to hell; obama is a hypocrite who isn’t ready to win, let alone be President; he apparently has inspired many of his supporters to be arrogant, ignorant, racist and sexist; and Senator Clinton is the only candidate who will make the best President and is the only candidate who will unite and lead the international community in the most expedient manner to confront and defeat terrorism and all that it feeds upon…….CONSIDER YOURSELVES WELL-INFORMED!
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
As long as Obama has Zbig Brezinski as his foreign policy advisor, Obama is not fit to make any comments regarding his position on Israel until he fires Brezinski..am I hearing crickets from the Obama camp? Brezinski is Mika on Morning Joe’s father – Mika should not talk about this election or offer her opinion on MSNBC until the election is over! (or she should include a disclaimer about her father and brother’s involvement in the Obama coup of the United States before talking)!
Still hearing crickets from the Obama camp…..
Posted by: calli | May 16, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
of course, I make a typo when lecturing everyone else :)
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Fear is your only God, Steve.
Posted by: fluxboy | May 16, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
dubya and cheney and them have been an absolute gift for terrorists
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Sen. John McCain (R-Z) has criticized Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) by disingenuously claiming that he “approved” of negotiations with Hamas. “It is a grave and dangerous mistake for an American leader to meet with a terrorist organization like Hamas,” McCain claims. But in an op-ed today, James Rubin, a former State Department official under President Clinton, revealed that in a 2006 interview on Britain’s Sky News, McCain supported direct diplomacy with Hamas:
RUBIN: Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?
McCAIN: They’re the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they
Posted by: BlueJersey | May 16, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Lee – you’re right – the DNC is lighting candles, holding hands and singing “feelings” right now all for the love of their golden boy Obama – the “HYPE OF HOPE”.
Posted by: fairsuperdelegates08 | May 16, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Sen. John McCain (R-Z) has criticized Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) by disingenuously claiming that he “approved” of negotiations with Hamas. “It is a grave and dangerous mistake for an American leader to meet with a terrorist organization like Hamas,” McCain claims. But in an op-ed today, James Rubin, a former State Department official under President Clinton, revealed that in a 2006 interview on Britain’s Sky News, McCain supported direct diplomacy with Hamas:
RUBIN: Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?
McCAIN: They’re the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they
Posted by: BlueJersey | May 16, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
I do not support McCain, I won’t support Obama. The policies are similar because he follows Hillary, but his a fake, and he lied about his relationship with Wright
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Obama’s policies and Hillarys’s policies are not the same at all. The useless and animal like media in this country are saying that so that people will be confused and vote for their terrorist Obama. Hillary clearly stated tht She wont meet with Iranian leaders and etc unless some conditions are met while Obama said he will meet with them unconditionally. I was a democrat but i now NO MORE since the party is controlled by some indiviuals that have no good reasoning.
HILLARY WAS RIGHT , SO WAS MCCAIN. OBAMA IS TOTALLY WRONG SO THEIR POLICIES ARE NOT THE SAME ON MOST ISSUES
Posted by: A True black American | May 16, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
These animal terrorists used a 12 year old boy to blow himself and others up at a funeral yesterday. They have also used women. This is because women and children have a better chance of getting past security. These are the terrorists that Obama thinks he can go have a rational conversation with. Or maybe he feels just like they do about the United States, certainly Rev. Wright and Louis Farrakhan do not love this country.
Posted by: frisco girl | May 16, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Lets not get personal. These two candidates only hope to bring the country together. They have both worked hard to make our country better from Grass root out side the senate to State Senate positions. Let us debate over issues and what we think is right not Age, Fake Labels of religion or trying to pin Anti American labels on people when they are clearly not Anti American. If she was anti American She wouldnt have said fo rthe first time i am proud…she would have said I AM NOT proud and i detest America. So lets stop these games. mcCain is a good guy and so is Obama but lets be clean.
Posted by: Mario O'dwyer | May 16, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
For years Britain refused to have discussions with the IRA and failed to resolve the issues. Under pressure from the USA the british government sat down with Sein Fein (AKA the IRA) and negotiated a settlement that resulted in those hostilities coming to a close.
Israel has been trying to bomb the Palestinians (PLO) into submission for 50 years and the Israelis are still losing citizens on an almost daily basis. Unless ALL the American people ( I know some of them would be happy with this, but I doubt the majority) are prepared to wipe out all 1.something BILLION Muslims around the world ( including those in the USA) saying “We’ve got the biggest stick so do what we say” isn’t going to work. If there are requests that muslims make that are easy to impliment,that cost the USA nothing and in return the friction with Islam and the west will diminish surely it’s a sensible option to at least have the discussion BEFORE bombing them to oblivian. Radical Islam will not be defeated by western weapons, it will be defeated by showing moderate Islam that their future is better and safer in a peaceful coexistance with the west (USA) than by alligning themselves with radical Islamic fundamentalists. Bush’s recklessness has, in the minds of moderate muslims, validated the Radical muslims claims that The USA ( on behalf of Christianity) is engaged in a Jihad against Islam. The more we bomb them, the stronger that validation becomes and the deeper it gets entrenched.
Posted by: vernonwerge | May 16, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Star Jones = Michelle anti-whitey Obama
Gay Al = Gay Obama
More funny N-I-G-G-E-R-S
Whitey is running from the coloreds.
Posted by: Margaret | May 16, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
You’re right, Steve, they do want to kill us all. We need a republican president who won’t be afraid to drop a few nuclear bombs on those muslims. Kill them before they kill us!
Posted by: october155 | May 16, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Too bad that you weren’t with me in the South Tower on 9/11, because then you might understand that terror and fear are real.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Interesting Bush condemns Democrats as appeasers and being weak and then the next day goes begging the Saudis to increase oil production. Pathetic! It is amazing to me that 31% still say they support him.
Posted by: indy_voter | May 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
T.T.Spin…you are so right. I sure hope people wake up before it is too late
Also Thank you “A True black American”
Posted by: Barb | May 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
A True black American:
Do you use your title as a front to make attacks against a real True Black American? Senator Obama?
Your comments are foolish and stupid…
Posted by: twallace | May 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
there is a difference between Senator Clinton’s position on strained relations with questionable governments and obama’s position (meet with them personally)…….however, dubya is an ignorant terrorist-sympathizer who wouldn’t know how to help America even if he wasn’t the coked-up boozer with daddy-issues and mental retardation
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
First McCain got his name into this because this is a Karl Rove attack and strategy. Rove just HAPPENS TO BE A CONSULTANT TO JOHN MCCAIN. With Bush’s low approval rating he can’t campaign directly for McCain but he can make wild allegations that Rove can’t have come from McCain’s “Straight Talk Express”.
Second according to US Government Officials testimony to Congress the largest backer of terrorism in the world IS NOT IRAN. It is Saudi Arabia, yes the same government Bush wants to sell billions of dollars worth of high tech weapons to. The same government Bush was over on his hands and knees today begging for more oil. Neocons get your facts straight or your arguments are as weak as a FOX News headlines.
Posted by: Liberal | May 16, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
to Not
We’re not fooled. You’re an Obama plant. How cynical. You and your candidate Obama will be revealed for what you are – FAKES!
Also, everyone claiming to be Clinton supporters who say they’ll write in her name, that’s a wasted vote.
If Obama succeeds in stealing the nomination and you truly don’t want to see him elected, you need to vote for McCain. Otherwise, it’s a wasted vote.
Posted by: s. Valenti | May 16, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Jaw, Jaw, Jaw is better than war, war, war.
Posted by: Winston Churchill | May 16, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
A True black American:
People like you will say anything to get attention…..So you got it!!!
And now as you hide behind your cyberspace, you are really free to show just how ignorant you are….
You think you can appease folks by letting folks know how false you are?
Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 16, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
From the Wall Street Journal, May 15, 2008:
So far, Mr. Obama owes his success to elites captivated by his personality. But in the general election, most folks will care more about a candidate’s philosophy and stand on the issues. And what’s considered mainstream values in a general election is different than in a primary.
I think Obama is going to have to quit “flip-flopping” on the issues before us. I agree, the General Election will be a whole different ballgame than the primaries. Right now, Obama is carrying a LOT of baggage.
Posted by: david from texas | May 16, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
unfortunately, the families of suicide bombers might have to be targeted to have an effect on the mentality of these bombers…..not with violence, but by legal means, as accomplices to these crimes…….if long prison terms are the reward for the families of such suicide bombers, it may have an effect on their willingness to kill
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
will there be a box on the ballot that says none of the above
Posted by: jabo jones | May 16, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Mark
i am sorry you had to experience that, i am glad you made it.
can you tell me what the war in iraq had fixed, why you think we won’t have anouther 911 in this country, alqueda is stronger than ever, iran is more powerfull than ever, so 4,0000 and plus soldiers dead for no reason, if you elect mccain you will have double that. why should alquda attack us here when they are killing americans in iraq??
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Maria ODwyer must be one of the 400 paid Obama bloggers that are supposed to make nice nice with Hillary and McCain supporters – come vote for me Obama, I’m a sweetie….
Posted by: frisco girl | May 16, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Bush may find his Hitler remarks backfiring on him considering his own well documented family history of appeasement, support and money laundering for Hitler:
Posted by: MsSwin | May 16, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
s. valenti………wrong. in a few states, the write-in may not count for Senator Clinton, but it won’t count for obama otherwise……
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Cannot wait to see these far left liberals loose for backing Obama.
Pacific Heights will riot with Range Rovers overturned and burning in the streets. Latte cups littering lawns. Whole foods ransacked. Apple store looted.
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Why was Michelle caught visiting voodoo altars in San Juan with two live chickens?
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi | May 16, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Cannot wait to see these far left liberals loose for backing Obama.
Pacific Heights will riot with Range Rovers overturned and burning in the streets. Latte cups littering lawns. Whole foods ransacked. Apple store looted.
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Why was Michelle caught visiting voodoo altars in San Juan with two live chickens?
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi | May 16, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
obama’s got cash, Senator Clinton not so much of it; I wonder why so many superdelegates are turning towards obama now: http://boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/superdelegates.html
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Excuse me, Obama wants to debate McCain — the last time I checked the Democratic primary is NOT over. Seems a little ambitious on the part of Senator Obama. Go Hillary!!
Posted by: runningmom1 | May 16, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
there are only six states that do not allow write ins. Senator Clinton should run Independent. She would crush Obama.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
another example of the hope and change obama inspires: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8762.html
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
To THE Hilary SUPPORTERS WHO VOW To SUPPORT MAC CAIN!!!!!!!!
Those of you who feel the need to support McCain or not vote to express their anger/hate/revenge/spite toward Obama/DNC are only hurting themselves. If Obama loses, he’ll go back to the senate and he’ll be alright. However, will you be OK with a failing economy, a continue war in Iraq, health care unresolved, conservative justices, etc .
I’m well off, so i can live another 4 years of bush don’t know about you
LETS ALL UNITE & STOP THIS BITTERNESS ….!!!!
Posted by: Rational | May 16, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
here’s another example of obama’s inspiration: http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/one-degree-of-separation-levinson-obama.html
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
So Obama wants to parley with the terrorists, doesn’t surprise me because birds of a feather flock together.
Posted by: BTL musings | May 16, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
TWALLACE, WHY IS MY COMMENT FOLLISH???
We must call a spade a spade in this country if we want to move forward. HIllary’s policies are different to Obama’s.
Hillary supported tax cut on Oil but Obama said NO. The useless and unreasonable media we have did not even try seeing into what this woman was saying but just said some Obama’s supporting Economists said the plans wont work . This is a state where we have foound ourselves in this country . The media chooses our presidents for us and not we ourselves. I am a Black man and have very good reasoninig about America .I am not a racist. We need good judgement and right leaders in America .
Posted by: A True black American | May 16, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
chris
you can answer your own question. as the math says it, and math doesn’t lie, she can’t win after this, she lost it. he does have a lot of money 40M and clinton she is 20M wonder what it says about her. 20M hey hillarry supporters please go to her site and donate money so she can pay of her deth and this thing will be over with
obama 08
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Wow. I’m amused with all the “Obamabot” labels. They seem to be coming from factory-clone conservatives who use common Rush Limbaugh phrases like “mush brains.”
That must make them “Limbots.”
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I could give a hearty spanking in a debate with any of the right wing dingbats posting comments here.
Posted by: postsimian | May 16, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
what will be…
Barack Obama will be POTUS. There will be positive change because of it.
The fuel for the negative, radical so-called “islamic attitude” towards America will evaporate almost as soon as Bush is out and Obama is sworn in.
soon after, the path towards more co-operative attitudes in the islamic world toward israel will be free of the stones that impede the progress of co-existing and positively interractive jewish and islamic states.
initialy, there will be an international sence of “now what and how” but as the weeks and months pass and campaign rhetoric adjusts to reality and becomes action, there will be a gradually growing sence of confidence in the new leadership’s sincere, willingness and ability to present fair and agreeable diplomatic resolutions to many of the crucial conflicts that have long been “knee capping” the hope global peace and prosperity.
those few internatioanl “leaders” (i do use that term generously as it would relate to the cowards behind terrorist agendas) and/or organizations that would take this kindess for weakness would be foolish to do so.
THE FULL MIGHT OF A WELL EQUIPPED, WELL TRAINED, AND FULLY SUPPORTED UNITED STATES MILITARY WILL BE READY IN ADVANCE FOR ANY TREACHERY AND/OR AGRESSION THAT THEY MAY CONSPIRE TO BRING AGAINST US OR OUR ALLIES…DON’T EVEN TRY IT!!!
many that had sincere and objective doubts will come around and add their support while others will deny the proven progress and benefit from it anyway.
The only hate and opposition to our new administration will come from within, via the mislead, ill informed, fearfull, ignorant, racist sympathizers, bigots and the insatiable greed of corrupt politicians, corporations and war profiteers…
do not fear them…thier time has passed.
the rest of us must pray that THE FATHER will continue to bless America and the rest of the world for the sake of those who love peace.
for the sake of those who are willing to work out our differences in a way that shows love and promotes conversation, co-operation and reconciliation rather than isolation and the obvious, disasterous consequenes of stubborn, non-communicative policies and discord.
accept this message and accept THE FATHER who sent me.
Posted by: the son | May 16, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Let’s just through the cow poop..
some people including a lot republicans don’t want a brown or blackman for president period and all the other talk is just trash talk.
Posted by: zorar | May 16, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Let’s just cut through the cow poop..
some people including a lot republicans don’t want a brown or blackman for president period and all the other talk is just trash talk.
Posted by: zorar | May 16, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Obama wants to pretend that he already is the nominee, because he knows he is unelectable. He may become the nominee if the Democrat hierarchy voluntarely wants to lose the general election. Senator Clinton will get more votes with her name on the ballotts than Obama
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Senator Clinton for November Write-In
Lawsuits will follow if they are not counted
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Mr. Obama took Pres. Bush’s remarks and squeezed them into the context that he felt would deliver the best punch. Pres.
Bush NEVER once compared the democratic party to appeasers of Nazis. He simply pointed to a time in history when appeasement would have accomplished nothing. Mr. Obama’s lack of experience in the foreign policy arena will come back to haunt this country should he be elected. Is war the answer? No, it isn’t. Is getting in bed with the terrorists and sharing a cozy feel good moment going to change things? Never in a million years. Mr. Obama may want change, but the type of change he may receive is one he will NOT be able to handle. That, dear Americans, is very frightening.
Posted by: Jill | May 16, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
I tend to vote for Rep’s, but after 8 ignorant and arrogant GOP years in the White House in terms of foreign policy – at least Obama is seeing and heading towards learning from all of Bush’s mistakes. Not dealing with your enemies is the best way to get attacked again but the GOP is too stupid or arrogant to realize this. Obama in 08 and 12 !!!
Posted by: Dave Stir, TX | May 16, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
I tend to vote for Rep’s, but after 8 ignorant and arrogant GOP years in the White House in terms of foreign policy – at least Obama is seeing and heading towards learning from all of Bush’s mistakes. Not dealing with your enemies is the best way to get attacked again but the GOP is too stupid or arrogant to realize this. Obama in 08 and 12 !!!
Posted by: Dave Stir, TX | May 16, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
In a debate with Obama, all McCain has to do is let Obama field the questions first and he will not know what to say. It will be an embarassment to DNC Dictator Howard Dean and the far left goon squad. Let the debate begin…. but then, Hillary may suprise everyone once Michelle Obama’s “I Hate Whites” TUCC church rant I heard about makes it to mainstream media television.
Posted by: Bill | May 16, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Nansi Pelosi where did you get your information????????. You are just too funny i couldn’t help laughing. That must be a joke
Posted by: A True black American | May 16, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
bez…….see, if you weren’t lazy and were capable of being better informed, you would’ve clicked on the link i provided….
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
zorar Let’s just cut through the cow poop.. Many Obama supporters will vote for him just because of his race, not on the merits.
Posted by: libre | May 16, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
To THE Hilary SUPPORTERS WHO VOW To SUPPORT MAC CAIN!!!!!!!!
Those of you who feel the need to support McCain or not vote to express their anger/hate/revenge/spite toward Obama/DNC are only hurting themselves. If Obama loses, he’ll go back to the senate and he’ll be alright. However, will you be OK with a failing economy, a continue war in Iraq, health care unresolved, conservative justices, etc .
I’m well off, so i can live another 4 years of bush don’t know about you
LETS ALL UNITE & STOP THIS BITTERNESS ….!!!!
Posted by: Rational | May 16, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
I don’t believe that I mentioned Iraq. I was pointing out that you may have a different perspective when you have actually experienced an act of terrorism committed by terrorists. It’s very personal. They want you to die.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
here, i will help you out: Obama’s political action committee has doled out more than $694,000 to superdelegates since 2005, the study found, and of the 81 who had announced their support for Obama, 34 had received donations totaling $228,000. (this article is from 3 months ago, so you can imagine how much more has been paid out)
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
it is impossible for obama to win in November
Posted by: chris | May 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
well what did i miss he only need 128 delegates so whatever the link was my lazy ass don’t want to see it. if you are a hillary supporter please go give her money she needs it bad.
i am sure by the time the weekned is over he will need less, infact let me go check his site now i am sure it is lower than 128.
by the way i don’t trust everything i read online!!!!!
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Bush has made these statements before. For Obama to think it is all about him is ridiculous. His first response was all about himself. Then, after McCain’s reply, he all of the sudden realized that hey…maybe this was not really an attack on him. So now, all of this nonsense for nothing.
Obama basically said, that he would meet with these terrorist leaders if they agreed to certain concessions. Well…how is that any different from the policy in place now? McCain said he would do the same thing, Bush too. The problem is, those “leaders” have yet to be willing to do so. Not to mention, this administration has low-level diplomats who have been working behind the scenes in those areas.
Obama is just trying to get into the spotlight and take the focus off the fact that he is not yet the nominee and there is still voting yet to come.
The Supers really should keep their noses out of this…they are there to make the decision if it goes to the convention. The Supers that have publicly come out, are looking for their 10 minutes of fame. It is just disgusting what this has all come down to.
I am no Bush backer…in fact I have no clue why the public elected him a second time. We do not need another inexperienced leader in our highest office. What are people thinking?
Some may criticize the fact that many Clinton supporters will cross party lines to vote for McCain and they say that we are not TRUE Democrats. I say…I am not going to vote for someone who appears WEAK, NAIVE and who would be “the most unknown presidential candidate in history”.
This decision should be less about partisan politics…and more about who will do the right thing all the way around.
Posted by: memyselfandI | May 16, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Bush was criticizing Jimmy Carter and rightfully so…
Obama and the Loony Left of the Democratic Party can’t control themselves that President Bush might have alluded to The Messiah…
Wishful thinking…Keep Hopin
Posted by: Jacob Ezekial | May 16, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
People please: The democrats, which I am one of, are way off base on this. What are you going to talk to Iran about? They are using us as a whipping post to inflame other countries that hate us or are leaning that way. To negotiate with us would undermine what they are trying to do. The over all goal is to wipe us off the face of the earth. They think God is telling them to get rid of us completely. I can’t believe how far a lot of peoples heads are in the sand. Just because some politican is telling you that they are willing to listen doesn’t make it so. We need to draw a line in the sand and stick with it. For all of you people that think we are going to have another 60′ flowers in your hair time, the train left without you. There are people out there that hate you and want nothing more than to kill you and your children. If we acted more like we have a pair, this wouldn’t be as bad as it has gotten. This whole thing with Obama is really getting pretty scary.
Posted by: James France | May 16, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
WHAT IS WRONG WITH TALKING WITH ENEMY STATES?
The down right arrogance of folks suggesting that an American president should not have talks with their enemies….Did not Jesus speak with those that were against Him? “Does not Jesus ask us to love our enemies and do good to them who persecute you?”
No one is suggesting that we support their behavior; but what Christ Jesus teaches us is that you can win folks over with love and respect as oppose to trying and killing them…..
Wake up folks!!!! The cave man mentally of bombs and bullets are passing….We are moving forward with diplomacy and commonsense….
Pride and arrogance is not favored in the sight of God….That is how Lucifer fell…..And if America continues to come across arrogant and stuck up, then they too will fall…..
Posted by: Wisdom | May 16, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Rational: YES, WE WILL BE JUST FINE. BECUASE WE WILL HAVE DONE OUR JOB BY NOT LETTING OBAMA GET INTO OFFICE. ITS ABOUT THE FUTURE AND PROTECTION OF OUR COUNTRY NOT OBAMA AND THE DNC PARTY. FOUR YEARS OF BUSH/MCCAIN IS BETTER THAN FOUR YEARS OF OBAMA.
Posted by: cookie | May 16, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Catylea, the I am going to talk to Terrorist sponsering nations shoe fits him all year.
Posted by: billy bob | May 16, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Jesus spoke to his enemies; was tortured and violently murdered. That’s a great idea.
Posted by: wisdomless | May 16, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Posted by the son…
The only hate and opposition to our new administration will come from within, via the mislead, ill informed, fearfull, ignorant, racist sympathizers, bigots and the insatiable greed of corrupt politicians, corporations and war profiteers…
do not fear them…thier time has passed.
the rest of us must pray that THE FATHER will continue to bless America and the rest of the world for the sake of those who love peace.
for the sake of those who are willing to work out our differences in a way that shows love and promotes conversation, co-operation and reconciliation rather than isolation and the obvious, disasterous consequenes of stubborn, non-communicative policies and discord.
accept this message and accept THE FATHER who sent me.
______________________________________
Praise the Messiah Obama….God told me to say that…
What a CROCK…hope, change, we can change the world..
come on let’s say it together…
HOPE, CHANGE, WE CAN CHANGE THE WORLD…
How ill informed people are…is this what people base their vote on nowadays? Just like the reasoning to vote for George W….I will vote for Bush because he’s the kind of guy that Ican sit down and have a beer with..
Yeah…lets vote for the guy we LIKE the most…thats good thinking…
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 16, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
chris
everyone said it was immpossible for him to get the nomination and he is about to get it. everyone at the beging thought hillary was going to be the nomniee until obama own 11 primaries in the row.
by the way the delegate count is 120 i just checked it.
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Of course a rational debate cannot take place in a blog because too many fiery tempers and biases exist for a rational discussion to take place. For once just take away the hatred that most feel for Bush and read his comments objectively. He DID NOT compare the democrats to Nazi appeasers. Obama is doing the exact same thing that he begged others not to do to his former pastor – take it out of context. What Bush said is spot on. It is simply because he is despised by so many that no one will give any credence to his remarks. Terrorists are terrorists. They can not be negotiated with nor reasoned with. Carter’s holier than thou mission with Hamas did nothing but cause contention and even the leaders of Hamas remarked that he accomplished nothing. You can only APPEASE a terrorist but giving in. Not one person on this board ever gives voice to the fact that there has been NO attacks in this country since 9/11. That counts for something to me. Obama seems to be a good person but he is NOT foreign policy tested and has no idea of how to deal with terrorists. Sorry to burst your bubble, but being black simply “ain’t”
going to get the job done folks.
Posted by: Jill | May 16, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
It is stupid to think that you can build civilization by annihilating and annexing other nation’s land and dub their effort to free their land as terrorism. Terrorism is when you kill thousands of innocent people in the name of defending your country. Israel is indeed a creation of Zionist politics and money. No country can be called democratic if it is created based on religious believe and ethnic cleansing. The politics of Israel and its blind stupid supporters in Washington –elected thanks to Zionist money – do not understand that time has changed! Their idiotic policy of power will only get to a point when the cornered mice will fight back! We all in this world will suffer because of this. I don’t understand how Israel can celebrate triumphs when their next door neighbor (?) is in such a wretched economic condition thanks to Israelis. Where did the compassion, love and understanding that we all propagate go? Washington must drop the politics of double standard and help create a world based on true democracy, liberty and equality. We can do that only by sitting on a negotiation table not by bringing misery to other nations be it Iraq or Vietnam! I truly hope that the next president will understand the basic laws of humanity!
Posted by: Matt Kab | May 16, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
If Obama can’t take the heat now, how on earth can he be President???? We all know the President gets blamed for everything. From a bad Congress, House of Representitives; to terrorist attacks,on & on & on. The buck stops at the office of President. Barrack Obama knows how to sweet talk the crowds, now it’s time to play ball with the big boys. If he’s not able to conduct himself better than he is doing now, than the democratic party is going to have a real problem on their hands. We need someone strong, capable and knows how to lead this country. We need Hillary Clinton. We don’t need celebrities and college students (who have no experience in real life) running this country. We need real, hard working, honest, everyday people back in office.
Posted by: sdaproud | May 16, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Bush and McCain should be convicted of treason for putting Israel’s interests ahead of the United States.
Posted by: Mike D | May 16, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Has anyone asked “why is Iran meddling in Iraq?” or “why does Iran want a nuclear weapon?” Could it be out of self-preservation? All you Bushies, what do you think the US would do if some country invaded Canada? Do you think the US would “meddle” in their affairs—in order to protect our own interests? Do you think we would build any weapon we could as a deterrent? The US is the country that went half-way around the world and invaded a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11. I don’t blame Iran for trying to protect its own interest against this imperial president!
Posted by: Brian | May 16, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Jill- I read and re-read your comments. Please allow this annomous person to give you some kudos. Jill said” Of course a rational debate cannot take place in a blog because too many fiery tempers and biases exist for a rational discussion to take place. For once just take away the hatred that most feel for Bush and read his comments objectively. He DID NOT compare the democrats to Nazi appeasers. Obama is doing the exact same thing that he begged others not to do to his former pastor – take it out of context. What Bush said is spot on. It is simply because he is despised by so many that no one will give any credence to his remarks. Terrorists are terrorists. They can not be negotiated with nor reasoned with. Carter’s holier than thou mission with Hamas did nothing but cause contention and even the leaders of Hamas remarked that he accomplished nothing. You can only APPEASE a terrorist but giving in. Not one person on this board ever gives voice to the fact that there has been NO attacks in this country since 9/11. That counts for something to me. Obama seems to be a good person but he is NOT foreign policy tested and has no idea of how to deal with terrorists. Sorry to burst your bubble, but being black simply is not going to get the job done folks.” Well thought out, well said and thank you Jesus for an agreeing person. Peace
Posted by: Jill Jill Jill | May 16, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
For the record the government already talks to many of these regimes. However, Obama want to take it a step further and have the president sit down with enemies of our country. This is a huge mistake and legitimizes these mad man.
Please vote for anyone but Obama!
Posted by: Tim | May 16, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
There’s something about Obama’s comments that give the impression that he believes that he is already president, or, in the alternative, that he is superior to the presidency. As with his tutorial on race, he adds little save but to stir up divisions, much as he claims his intent is to the contrary.
Posted by: marymary | May 16, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
i don’t unersand how some people in the us think terrorist attaked or will attack US because they just want to. that the us has no fault in this at all, it is so innocent like a sleeping child whom the burgler just happen to pass by and shot.
read other sources of media other than cbs, abc, nbc, go online read bbc, or news medai from other countries get the other side to the story too
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
ah!mcbush is a joke. the old guy is fake look like a plastic literally. act, talk, even laught fake.was for dealing with hamas but not anymore because ot 08 politics desame was against a timetalbe withdrawal but now is for(2013) was against bushy permanent taxcuts but is for it and the goes on i mean realy this ur guy u must be joking. yah sure supergrandpa serve his country with honor but it s time for him to have cyndi change his diapers full time. that the untold reality LIVE WITH IT
Posted by: realtalk | May 16, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Jill- you owe me 5 bucks as agreed
Posted by: Jill Jill Jill | May 16, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
sdaproud: You are so right. We need real, hard working, honest, everyday people back in office. That would, however, not be Hillary. She has never worked an honest day in her life. She knows nothing about “every day America.” She is a career politician who has done next to nothing to further her campaign promises. She has climbed the ladder, but only by smashing the hands of better people to work her way up. The real, hard working, honest, everyday people would be McCain. He came up through the ranks, was not born with a silver spoon, and HAS SERVED IN THE MILITARY (something the office of president should require). He’s lived the life of the Real American….he may not be perfect, but he is the best choice we have right now.
Posted by: ARSailormom | May 16, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
i don’t there is anything obama can do in the work to have some peoples vote in this blog, becase you guys have already decided he is no good, no matter what he present wiht. i am sure anytime soon peole will be complaing of the way he breath.
face it people he will be the nomniee and he will make history as the first Black dem. pary nomniee with will make some peole want to puke
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Sounds like fighting words to me! I’ll admit up front that the only reason I even participate in these discussions anymore is because periodically someone actually has something of substance to contribute. Most just want to Obama bash with whatever they deem will suffice as ammo. I personally think this issue is so transparent as to be laughable. Obama says “talk” and the so called powers that be say things like “weak,” “inexperienced,” and “naive.” Here’s the deal people: there is a definitive difference between “appeasement” and “diplomacy.” Appeasement is more of a “quid-pro-quo” kind of deal: We’ll give you something if you guys stop killing folk. Diplomacy is discussions between leaders with the hope of reaching an agreement on both sides. If terrorists had an air force and a navy to come at us with, they might, but they don’t. But they do have an army that is ruthless and unless you have been living in a cave, you might have noticed that the military option Bushy chose hasn’t exactly impressed them! Obama says “talk” as opposed to a military response first and folks lose their minds! And why would he support that? Because unlike the knuckleheads in power right now, he knows that should diplomacy fail (along with any other options on the table for escalation), the USA can use her might to wipe bad guys off the face of the planet and she would have all the support she needs because it would be accepted that her decision was made as a last resort instead af a first! Or at least that was the case before the perceived perception of our military was compromised by previously stated knuckleheads. And less anyone say this is BS, keep in mind that Isreal has been doing it in some capacity or another for the past 60 years (along with just about every other nation on this planet) and while it hasn’t solved every issue, it is better than the free for all that would result otherwise until further notice; you know, kinda like what we got going on in Iraq right now!
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Posted by: Help Needed | May 16, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
The turmoil in the Middle East has existed for centuries, as we all know. I am not and would never pretend to be an expert on Israel or Palestine. I don’t have the background knowledge. Perhaps as a baby boomer, my perspective has been so biased because of the threat of Communism, the Cold War, Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, the 60′s and so on. My frame of reference for honor, freedom, and sacrifice is undoubtedly formed by the era in which I grew up. However, evil people exist now just as then. The face of evil may change, but the threats against freedom will always be very real. The answer should NEVER be war – but unfortunately that is the way life is. War between nations has existed since the early biblical days. To say that we can merely sit and talk rationally with people is absurd and naive to the extreme. It shows that Obama does NOT have the necessary tools to deal with severe crisis. I pray for every soldier to return safely. My heart breaks for each and every one over there. I don’t have an answer. I’m merely a school teacher. My best analogy is when a bully at school is allowed to continue unchecked, he merely gains power and grows less afraid. Some might think that I’m referring to the US. I simply refer to the terrorist bullies who want THEIR way and will kill to get it. That is not something that can be disputed.
Posted by: Jill | May 16, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
wisdomless:
“You said that Jesus spoke to His enemies and was tortued and violently murdered.” Wow!!! Was not that the purpose of Him coming into the world?
To die for yours and my nasty sins? Our disgusting and dirty sins are in direct proportion to His tortue and violent death as you so eloquently wrote. He died for you wisdomless so that you can have eternal life and gain wisdom…..
Once again, speaking with your enemies is for the purpose of winning them over….I am not suggesting that we have romantic love for our enemies; neither does Jesus suggest that…..But what I am speaking of is a love that is understanding; a love that is redemptive goodwill towards all men…Dr. Martin King, Jr.
Posted by: Wisdom | May 16, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Obama is so arrogant to automatically assume these comments were about him. Either he’s arrogant, or extremely self-concious because he knows it’s a huge weakness for him – the appeasement oriented left, and the inexperience exposed when applied by Obama. I really am starting to hate Obama – he’s such an arrogant fool. All Bush did, was to simply condemn anybody who is willing to sit down and try to appease terrorists – and for this, the left is in an uproar ? Newsflash – Bush is 100% right, and to be offended by these comments places them squarely on the wrong side of the issue.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Obama is so arrogant to automatically assume these comments were about him. Either he’s arrogant, or extremely self-concious because he knows it’s a huge weakness for him – the appeasement oriented left, and the inexperience exposed when applied by Obama. I really am starting to hate Obama – he’s such an arrogant fool. All Bush did, was to simply condemn anybody who is willing to sit down and try to appease terrorists – and for this, the left is in an uproar ? Newsflash – Bush is 100% right, and to be offended by these comments places them squarely on the wrong side of the issue.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Jill, jill, jill…..um, thank you, I think. $5 I owe you? Check your email dear. It’s there *grin
Posted by: Jill | May 16, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Diplomacy is NOT appeasement. Appeasement is to give up your best interest and accept conditions of your enemy. To win a battle, you have to engage your enemies head on. A president should open to all means that will maximize US interest, that WILL include direct talk.
Posted by: SuperClearVision | May 16, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
For George Bush to talk about Nazis is laughable. Half his original administration were signatores of the Project for a New American Century manifesto, which literally lifts text straight out of Hitler’s “Mein Kamp.” The entire neo-conservative movement is nothng more than a thinly veiled modern version of National Socialism and its primary goals and objectives near mirror images of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
Bush and his war-mongering ilk are too dim-witted and drunk with power to understand that the only way to effectively deal with political extremism is to sit down with its practitioners and determine what it is that they want and need and what drove hem to adopt extreme tactics. It isn’t a miraculous happening, but a well planed and executed process of professional statesmenship. Some people simply cannot be dealt with, this is true, but one can never determine that if one doesn’t sit down and talk to them. We negotiate with nations with whom we are at war, in an effort to eand the bloodshed. So to say that we are at war with terrorists out of one sinde on his mouth and then say that we don’t negotiate with terrorists out of the other is tatamount to saying “we want to be perpetually at war with terrorists and hope that the bloodshed never stops.” Of course, I’m being logical here and we know all to well that that idiot in the White House lacks the mental capacity for logic and reason.
Posted by: Reality in America | May 16, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Sir or Sir ette, please forgive me if I in any way offended your sensibilities with my rantings and rhetoric. I meant not to offend rather to show another side of the issue. As Jesus died, I can only hope and pray that I gained one hair of true wisdom. Some people search there entire life for the one intelligent thought that will change a life for the better. I am NO mlk, I have little wisdom and I wish not to insight anger; I wish all to know there are many perspectives to the same diamond in the rough. Happiness to you.
Posted by: wisdomless | May 16, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
How hate spews forth from the mouths of those who accuse others of it.
Posted by: Aaron | May 16, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Wow, is the Fox News website down? There seems to be a lot of uniformed, gun-toting, hysterical right-wingers out today. Do you know your history? Seriously, do you? Have you ever read a book on history or politics? So many of these comments are so flawed that they’d be hilarious if we weren’t talking about our nation’s future.
Posted by: Brian | May 16, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Obama does not know history. He quoted FDR, JFK and Truman being peace makers when actually Truman is the one that ordered the atomic bomb be used against Japan in 1945. He is so inexperienced and green. He just puts on a good act with his eloquent speeches that are prepared for him. We don’t need a fool or a phoney or dummy for president. We need someone that at least is familiar with what is going on in the world and familiar with our history so that the same mistakes are not repeated!!
Posted by: Lia from Texas | May 16, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Opposing Leaders or their Representative speaking in private amongst themselves so no suprise issues are left untouched and then repeating whole communication live in public will present truth for all to see and all will know who is being reasonable and who is not being reasonable, we may not need ingenious arguement BUT WE DO NEED OPEN TRUTHFUL DIALOGUE to resolve problems like adults
Posted by: carla | May 16, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
while you guys are arguing this topic right here has just unified the democratic party. they are coming out of the wood works to back their candidate and hillary is as well. the GOP is now facing a candidate who is not like kerry nor bush nor dukakkis. He is firing back and everything he says is analyzed. You thought he was a push over and now youre seeing him on the attack. Dems do you really wanna say if obama wins you wanna side with the GOP?
Posted by: Allamr18 | May 16, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
McCain was in favor of talking to Hamas, not even Iran. HAMAS!! Unbelievable !!!!
He said that openly in an interview before he started running.
watch the video:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/exclusive-video-mccain-wa_n_102031.html
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
Dialog with our enemies, you know we use to do that once upon a time in this country. When we had competent leadership in the White House things were alot differnt. Do you remember when?
FDR talked to Russia – Murderess Dictator Stalin to defeat Hitler
Kennedy talked to – Nikita S. Khrushchev removing missile bases from Cuba
Nixon talked to China – Communist threat, to end the war in Vietnam
Regan talked to the USSR – Evil Empire that wanted to bury our children.
Diplomacy, diplomacy you see it is always cheaper to talk first before you bomb and lay waste to our enemies. Just think we may have been able to save over 4000 American lives in Iraq, and saved 12 billion a month if we kept talking.
We can not force our ideology on other countries beliefs; it has been proven trough out history! If you want to use nukes or gasoline fire bombs and wipe out most of the population like we did in Germany and Japan it may have worked then, but now the rest of the world would think we are insane!
The one thing about Saddam Hussein he took no SHITT from any of these people that are controlling Iraq now! Yes he was a nasty dictator that used the chemical weapons that the US gave him back in the 80’s to kill Kurdish threats and Iranian Solders. You see Saddam Hussein seen these people as threats to has regime and government, he knew how to handle these people. Further, Iran was scared to death of him and did not dare to step foot Iraq. We could have used Saddam Hussein as a puppet if we were smart! We could have paid him to do our dirty work with Al Qaeda and Iran like we did in 80’s when Regan was president. Bush does not know how to think on that level he is to arrogant and stupid to know he had everything going for him after 9/11.
You see by keeping Saddam Hussein in power until we got off of fossil fuels would have been the smart and prudent thing to do. We could have positioned ourselves to deal with him on another level at a different time. Bush just made the most bone-headed foreign policy mistake in our countries history hopefully the next president can get us out of this mess.
Obama 08
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
good god you spineless retard republicans get a life bush is done and there is no way america can be gullible enough to elect a bush backer like mccain……. oh wait a minute we did re elect bush didnt’t we? screw that GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: bob | May 16, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
McCain was in favor of talking to Hamas, not even Iran. HAMAS!! Unbelievable !!!!
He said that openly in an interview before he started running.
watch the video:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/exclusive-video-mccain-wa_n_102031.html
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Diplomacy, in this case will been seen as nothing but weakness, and you know it – thats how terrorists think. You forget that we arent dealing with reasonable, rational people. What exactly, do you have to say to a man who seeks to “wipe Israel off the map” ?
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
McCain was in favor of talking to Hamas, not even Iran. HAMAS!! Unbelievable !!!!
He said that openly in an interview before he started running.
watch the video:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/exclusive-video-mccain-wa_n_102031.html
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
This is such an amusement to see how a ‘cluster of idiots’ who rigged their way through eight years…turned the U.S. economy into a ‘international lemonade stand’…lost all respect from countries who once thought that ‘ethics’ was/or could have been an American cornerstone(except for it’s history of invasion and annihilation)of course..watched an alcholic hillbilly perpetrate the most historic and catastrophic bold-face lie in modern civilization..and still not get the reality until their absolutely bent over and waitng for their entrails to be plugged. WOwwwwwweeeee§
Posted by: Bravo Encore | May 16, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
I would rather have 4 more years of McCain than 4 who knows what of Obama!I sure as hell don’t want this country to end up with a dictator!!!
Posted by: Lia from Texas | May 16, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
I would rather have 4 more years of McCain than 4 who knows what of Obama!I sure as hell don’t want this country to end up with a dictator!!!
Posted by: Lia from Texas | May 16, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
“The entire neo-conservative movement is nothng more than a thinly veiled modern version of National Socialism and its primary goals and objectives near mirror images of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.”
You minimize the horror of The Holocaust, and what Nazis actually tried to accomplish, by drawing an equivalency with the efforts of The Bush administration.
Oh, is that all the Nazis did ? I guess all that concentration camp business was propaganda afterall then, huh – if they were only as bad as The Bush administartion ?
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Leon thank you so much for the info. I agree with you completely.
It also has it in the bible when the Jewish people gave in to terrorist how they were killed and torchured. If we gave in to the terrorist it would happen all over again to the Jews and to us. Do we not learn from history? I do not see a racist in Bush,I do in obama (he’s not even worthy to capitolize his name)as for his wife if she hates America so much why in the world doesn’t she move to Africa it seems that is where she wants to be. I am ex-military and I believe in being loyal to my country. Out side of HEAVEN there is no other place I would rather be. It burns my cookie for people to say how much they hate America or Americans and live in this country reaping the benefits of being in this country. If they hate us or this country please by all means get out we have enough free loaders. People need to read the KJV Holy Bible and study it they will learn the truth
Posted by: rene' | May 16, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
For the last time you ignorant blogger, Obama is NOT muslim nor did he have a muslim upbringing. Its rediculous how racist you are. You stereotype everyone from a certain place as having the same point of view (but Obama is American).
The fact is that this republican concept of jumping up and starting a war without trying first to find a solution IS NOT WORKING! There does need to be a change in policy here.
Posted by: lyne | May 16, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Leon thank you so much for the info. I agree with you completely.
It also has it in the bible when the Jewish people gave in to terrorist how they were killed and torchured. If we gave in to the terrorist it would happen all over again to the Jews and to us. Do we not learn from history? I do not see a racist in Bush,I do in obama (he’s not even worthy to capitolize his name)as for his wife if she hates America so much why in the world doesn’t she move to Africa it seems that is where she wants to be. I am ex-military and I believe in being loyal to my country. Out side of HEAVEN there is no other place I would rather be. It burns my cookie for people to say how much they hate America or Americans and live in this country reaping the benefits of being in this country. If they hate us or this country please by all means get out we have enough free loaders. People need to read the KJV Holy Bible and study it they will learn the truth
Posted by: rene' | May 16, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Let’s not forget that Hamas is a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED government—a direct result of George Bush’s spread of democracy in the Middle East. Just because the U.S. doesn’t agree with their politics, should we ignore them? If that was the case, the whole world would stop talking to the U.S. since they view the U.S invasion of Iraq, and all the tens of thousands of innocent lives and billions of dollars in war-costs, as terrorism. But that’s probably too complicated for some of you to get your minds around.
Posted by: Brian | May 16, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Hamaas – has openly advocated for Obama…why is that, we now have terrorists supporting Obama ?
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
the bush administration had acted as the bossy and stupid vangilist godfather.
lying to us, hiding the truth, and creating imaginary enemies to kill whom he doesn’t like (being a vangalist he hates muslims)
we under the bush administration are fighting against democracy and against humanity in lebanon and palestine. more than 600,000 iraqis died and 4000 us soldiers in iraq for no good reason(well may be the oil contracts are worth something for some people while killing some arabs along the way)
Posted by: jamil | May 16, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
For the last time Obama is not a muslim nor did he have a muslim upbringing.
And there is a huge difference between “Negotiating” with someone and talking to them.
Posted by: lyne | May 16, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
LA: You dont think youve been involved under a dictatorship as of late? weve had two families in the white house in the last 24 years and prior to that many uncles and cousins. Bush has given himself and his staff presidential pardons and cheney himself said he was above the law.
Posted by: Allamr18 | May 16, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Incredibly incredulous ! That such a stupid and profane ‘argument’ can continue like this.
Thanks “bez” and “Monica” for bringing some semblance of rationality to the ‘discussion’.
Posted by: Kris | May 16, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
“…primary goals and objectives near mirror images of Nazi Germany”
So, The Bush administration’s primary goals and objectives are to establish a 1000-Year Reich, and wipe the world clean of Jews through industrialized murder ? Wow, I didnt know that.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Barack Hussein Obama and his childish mentality will be the downfall of America! He surrounds himself with people that hate or are ashamed of America. When elected will he invite Osama to sleep in the white house, while begging to save us infidels to stupid to pray to Allah? No talk, a bullet in Osamas head will start to heal America. Try to say God bless America, there has to be pride in you somewhere.
Posted by: pesojoe | May 16, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
oh my god lia do you really think for a minute that mccain would be better? since when has blood lead to diplomacy?
Posted by: bob | May 16, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
lia
do you really belive that bush wasn’t talking about obama and the dem. party please tell me who he was talking aobut. how do you forget where he gave the speec in isreal!!!!! outside the US boarder, waht busch doesn’t get is when he leaves this country he the president of the US, that includes the dem. party too. he divided the country with his speech in anouther country.
sham on him, i guess there is a first time for everything.
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
So Obama references
Kennedy
Nixon
Reagan
Truman
as leaders that he respects and admires when it comes to how to engage in foreign policy because of PROVEN success, and the fake patriots and surprisingly Hillary cult followers on this board are upset because he’s calling out DUBYA Bush on one of several stupid decisions he’s made in his Presidency. To engage in political attacks of members of your own government on foreign soil? WTF? What a lack of patriotism Bush showed for his country fellow citizens, especially those he serves with in the US government.
Fakers are what many of you are. If Hillary or Obama had criticized Bushes obvious failures abroad in front of a foreign delegation your first reaction would be oh how un-American.
Obama is getting right to the core of the foolishness of this administration and he isn’t mincing his words about it.
A debate with Obama on foreign policy is really the last thing Bush or McCain should want. He’s been critical of them but only in general terms. If he’s put in a position to really debate on this issue many are going to be really surprised at the related details and expertise this young guy has on foreign affairs. It would be a grave mistake for the republicans. Its no accident Republican Richard Lugar choose Obama to work on nuclear disarmament (the most serious foreign policy). This is dangerous territory to be going after Obama, its one of his strengths and is a risky endeavor for the repubs.
Some of you posters are really funny. Do you really think a guy with Hussein as a middle name could really have the respect he has from many US Congressman, Republicans and Democrats if he were not gifted? They may tolerate him but they would not respect him on the level that many of them do. Men and Women who have been around the government for years. Come on people. Bush knows it too and that’s why he finds it necessary to help McCain. Obama is a young political heavyweight who has studied and respects American politics. Why? Because he’s obsessed with the idea that it’s what makes America great.
For all the Obama doesn’t know this doesn’t know that about history or foreign policy naysayers who couldn’t even get elected for dogcatcher let alone President, I’m sure your knowledge far outweighs a U.S. Senator who’s written and sponsored hundreds of bills on the state and federal level. LOL. It’s so easy to complain when that’s the only energy you’ve ever exerted to make a real difference in the lives of fellow Americans. If its as important to you as it is Obama, Hillary, or McCain then get off your ass from behind a computer and run for a (any) political office. Then we can judge YOU for YOUR intellectual prowess. LOL
This is too much fun, I gotta go…….
Posted by: Reel American | May 16, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
i read the speech… i don;t see bush mention obama at all.. boy are we a bit touching — instead of saying – of course we will not appease.. Obama goes off on in a totally different direction… please – mcccain 0u – thank you democrats… for a weak candidate
Posted by: sokadija | May 16, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
I guess I should’ve used my noggin before I said “I would rather have 4 more years of McCain than 4 who knows what of Obama! I sure as hell don’t want this country to end up with a dictator!!!” Clearly I don’t know the first thing about history as I’ve had my Texas big-hair under a rock for the past 7 years!
Posted by: Poor Lia from Texas | May 16, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
“do you really belive that bush wasn’t talking about obama and the dem. party please tell me who he was talking aobut”
Well, note that his audience, went wild with applause. So either they are all pro-Bush and anti-Obama, or – it was just a general statement about trying to reason with unreasonable people.
Get it ?
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Gee, it’s sad to see people taking things personal and dragging the discussion into the gutter over silliy things – essentially nothing that directly impacts them.
It is sad to see that there is little, if any moderation being done to keep some of these personal attacks off the board. Why such animosity? Why attack? What good will it really do?
Belittling someone by trying to tear them down, really does the reverse for your own position. It reduces your own credibility, negating what positive statements you may have made. This is a lesson that Barack partially learned about negative ads, but forgets when a potential slight might come his way.
It is sad to see people use the improper words – there (place) instead of their (personal), weather (sunny/rainy) instead of whether (conditional), your (possessive) where you’re (you are) belongs and reversed, etc. Such word usage slips tend to also cause the reader to question the validity of the comments the poster is making.
Bush’s comments were not about Obama only, but about many, including him. Carter’s reference was from not long ago, with his recent visit to the middle east.
I really don’t see what the fuss was about. Only more fodder to feed the sludge we often call news coming from today’s media.
Posted by: doug | May 16, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Will all the Americans who are so proud of what America has become under Bush please stand up? I’ll sit this one out. If you don’t “get it” by now, you’re not gonna get it. Try getting an education. Obama will be the next president and one of the best. He’s got a great act to follow. The man who destroyed the fabric of this country. If you like $4.00 gas, no money in your pocket, lies, cheating, more lies to cover up the first lies, believe Rush who is paid by Bush. Otherwise, get a life and get with the program. CHANGE IS coming and not a second too soon!
Posted by: Gus | May 16, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Will all the Americans who are so proud of what America has become under Bush please stand up? I’ll sit this one out. If you don’t “get it” by now, you’re not gonna get it. Try getting an education. Obama will be the next president and one of the best. He’s got a great act to follow. The man who destroyed the fabric of this country. If you like $4.00 gas, no money in your pocket, lies, cheating, more lies to cover up the first lies, believe Rush who is paid by Bush. Otherwise, get a life and get with the program. CHANGE IS coming and not a second too soon!
Posted by: Gus | May 16, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
First GWB duped us and now Obama tries. Obama No Way. I’d rather have the honest McCain than the lier Obama. Obama says that he will sit and have a conversation with Hamas and now he is shouting at GWB. What about the 20 years of anti-American rant that he listened to? No shouting at Wright then and now he pretends to be tough? Couldn’t change Wright then and how is he going to change Hamas and Ahmedenejad? They will take him out to tea just like Putin took GWB. Wake up people, vote for Hillary or McCain! Obama is a fake who is out to dupe you all.
Posted by: Voter | May 16, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
It is shocking that the republicans are contesting this election, given the destruction they have caused this country in the past 8 years.
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
You Americans have no idea about the outside world, but many of you have very strong opinions about a leader being weak because he talks or is willing to talk to someone. Your brains have been totally shaped by the U.S. mass media, and believe me, the rest of the world knows that you desperately need a guy like Obama in the White House. You might get a little bit of credibility back if you put someone in office who actually listens to other national leaders, and speaks to them with genuine respect. Ethnocentric Amikis get a clue…
Posted by: Bojan Vubral | May 16, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
How stupid and picky can one get?
Posted by: Irishrose | May 16, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
How stupid and picky can one get?
Posted by: Irishrose | May 16, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Nobody made this up for Obama! He said that he would negotiate with Iran, and other terrorist groups in many different debates! How can he dare to switch his position now! What a shame! He’s going back to be “politic as usual”, switch his position as the wind blow! What kind of a change is he going to bring anyway! Same old, same old political machine! He doesn’t stand his ground for things that he said/belive it! Shame on you as a Democrat!
Posted by: A. A. from NC | May 16, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
I am still waiting for one of you right-wing sheep or Hil maniacs to actually debate issues and not make obvious distortions Some of these comments are laughable, I am starting to think that some of you are masochists who want another 8 years of misery with Bushs incompetent and lying administration…
Posted by: miles1967 | May 16, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
McCain was in favor of talking to Hamas, not even Iran. HAMAS!! Unbelievable !!!!
He said that openly in an interview before he started running.
watch the video:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/exclusive-video-mccain-wa_n_102031.html
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
He was talking about Carter! Carter shouldn’t have gone talking to Hamas when he was told not to. Senile old peanut farmer, doesn’t have anything else to do, but think he still president. I have no complaints from the past 24 years.
Posted by: Lia from Texas | May 16, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
He was talking about Carter! Carter shouldn’t have gone talking to Hamas when he was told not to. Senile old peanut farmer, doesn’t have anything else to do, but think he still president. I have no complaints from the past 24 years.
Posted by: Lia from Texas | May 16, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Why is it that Bush’s audience went wild with applause, and the only people who have a problem with his assertion that terrorists can not be reasoned with – are Obama supporters ? Could they sense vulnerability on this issue ? They really came off hypersensitive on this one.
Bush should be like, “Woah – Relax ! I didnt say anything about you Obama, don’t flatter yourself – the world doesnt revolve around you. It’s a simple point – diplomacy sends the wrong message to terrorists”
And with that, his audience went wild with applause.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Ok, David in Texas, it’s because of pee brain people like you that sterotypes (like everyone in the south is racist) exist. How is Obama an elitist? That baffles me. If you don’t agree with his views, thats fine. Sounds like you live here and can claim citizenship, so that makes you an American and free to speak your mind. My turn. This crap about using force vs. negotiation is crap. Let me ask you, if you were being held hostage by a gunman, would you want the police to negotiate for your release, or would you prefer they bust through the door and take the gunman out, risking killing or injuring you in the process? Call me crazy, but I’d prefer a little negotiation. This bully mentality is total crap. I’m wondering if you were one of the bullys I beat up in High School? There’s nothing wrong with negotiating. Doesn’t hurt anyone involved. And if the negotiations go south and force is required, it’s always right there in your back pocket. As a tax payer, I’d rather spend say a few hundred thousand on the president taking trips to other countries to negotiate peace vs. wasting billions per month on wars we can’t seem to win. Again, call me crazy, but I’d rather see my tax % go down, and the money I do give the IRS be spent on better things. I have no problem with spending money on making sure our military is state of the art cocked, locked and ready to rock. But if you think the answer is “let’s nuke everything”, what’s the difference between you and Adolph Hitler?
Posted by: sid | May 16, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
People people people; use spell check. Has anyone every taken an English class? click on spell check, it helps, a little. Type-o capital of the web.
Posted by: spell checker | May 16, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Looks like the Moron Huckster has got himself in some hot water with some really stupid remarks. The Repugs will lose the elections because, they are just plain STUPID.
Huckabee jokes about Obama ducking a gunman.
During a speech before the National Rifle Association convention Friday afternoon in Louisville, Kentucky, former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee — who has endorsed presumptive GOP nominee John McCain — joked that an unexpected offstage noise was Democrat Barack Obama looking to avoid a gunman.
“That was Barack Obama, he just tripped off a chair, he’s getting ready to speak,” said the former Arkansas governor, to audience laughter. “Somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor.”
Obama supports extending the assault weapons ban, limits on gun sales, and a national law against carrying concealed weapons, with exceptions for retired police and military personnel. John McCain – whose legislative record was awarded a C+ rating by the NRA in 2004, but has received a perfect score – will address the group later Friday afternoon. His speech will include remarks “on the issue of unconditional negotiation with state sponsors of terror” that aides tell CNN’s Dana Bash are a direct response to Obama’s comments earlier Friday.
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
kuddos doug: I like a good debate, but rarely find anyone who can debate without letting their anger get in the way on these boards. When I do, it is interesting and can even sometimes change my mind if the points are made with literation.
Posted by: ARSailormom | May 16, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
What do you expect from President Bush,
attack Senator Obama , was his revengue for all
criticism about his leadership as President.
Posted by: Violeta Duarte | May 16, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
“the rest of the world knows that you desperately need a guy like Obama in the White House”
Why – so we can end up like all you ‘enlightened’ wussies in Europe ?
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Bush has grossly mismanaged our national defense. McCain is on crack if he thinks we have the resources to continue messing about in Iraq, AND finally do what it will take in Afghanistan and Western Pakistan to clear out al Qaida to show that these supposedly untouchable safe havens AREN’T, and finally put bin Laden and Mullah Omar’s heads on sticks. It is neither unpatriotic nor cowardly to fight the war on terror with the military strategy portion of one’s brain placed in the “on” position.
Posted by: ToastOnDayOne | May 16, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Bojan Vubral =================
Well said, I think we americans have gotten too paranoid that we have lost any commonsense.
We think, reason and live in fear.
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
OK “Sweetie”.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Carter is also the one who started the Afganistan mess. He began giving money to the Northern alliance to fight against the Soviets. This ended up making bin ladin strong. Peacebody Carter then goes talking to Hamas! Obama is just another Carter — we better beware and not buy more trouble. We have enough in the USA.
Posted by: Voter | May 16, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
No Bez, he wasn’t talking about Obama and the democrats. He was talking in general about those will not face up to moral responsibility. I can’t help but wonder why there was such a hysterical diatribe from Obama? He has simply made himself appear overly sensitive. Could it be that “he” took the president’s words out of context? Could it be that he turned the words into what “he” thought they represented? Seems a bit like his take on Wright. If he can’t take the heat, he needs to get out of the kitchen. He’s running for president. He better be able to take ANYTHING that is dished his way. I believe if Bush wanted to say Obama, he would have. Pure and simple. And obviously, his audience certainly agreed with his comments.
Posted by: Jill | May 16, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Why is it that Bush’s audience went wild with applause, if what he said was so outrageous ? Was his entire audience a bunch of “war-mongers” as well ?
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
That was a pretty lame analogy with your gunman. That would greatly depend on who is holding the guns. If they’re terrorist wish for 77 virgins; then I want bully cops to burst in shooting. If they are depressed drugged teen girls; then; let’s talk and have a slice of pizza. Who has the gun sid?
Posted by: sid sid sid | May 16, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Hope you guys don’t mind me and Laura weighing in here. Can you believe Obama want’s to try a different approach to foreign policy after my fantastically, successful 7 years in office? Clearly my idea of not talking to your enemies is working! The world is such a happy place now, compared to when I took office. Hamas is in office after I tried to spread democracy throughout the Middle East. Oops. North Korea tested a nuclear weapon after years of my Administration ignoring them. Oops. Iran is becoming more and more hostile ever since I invaded the country right next to them for no good reason. Oops. I sure have a lot of pull with the King of Saudi Arabia—thanks for agreeing to increase oil production. That’s right, he told me to pound sand today! Oops. Time for a new foreign policy? Nahhhh.
Posted by: President Bush | May 16, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
lia
face it they were talking abt obama even some white house aids said it. please anyone don’t defend bush he put us where we are today gas price at 127/br or over 4/gal i have to stop driving
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
This is exactly what Obama’s team has been talking about: changing the mind set that got us into this mess in the first place. If we don’t talk to ALL governments, how will conflicts ever be resolved. By war? Exactly! That is the mindset of the Bush administration that has bogged us down in two wars, one totally unnecessary, harmed our economy, killed over 4000 of our bravest troops, and ruined America’s reputation throughout the world.
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Bojan Vubral =================
Well said. I think we americans have gotten too paranoid that we have lost any commonsense.
We think, reason and live in fear. We feel that any one who doesn’t look like us is definitely coming to destroy us.
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
Yeah, things are bad so lets make them worse, by simpy “changing things”.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
A lot of people here believe his comments to be true; too! Am I right or am i right? Obama must be held to a whole new standard (if he gets the nomination). He is not cutting it right now.
Posted by: Jill Jill Jill | May 16, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Water Bored said: “Why is it that Bush’s audience went wild with applause, if what he said was so outrageous? Was his entire audience a bunch of “war-mongers” as well?”
Yes.
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
I can not believe how naive some Americans are. I see Obama as areal and true Character who is passionate in changing the USA to the peaceloving nation they once where. Bush and his Cronies have brainwashed the naive citizens with fear and hate. They have done so much damage it is criminal. The rest of the world does not hate Americans, they are very wonderful People but just so naive, almost childlike. This is why Man like Bush and Cheyni, and all his man have so much power. Why do you think Colin Powers left them, he was and is a Man of Character, he would make the best vice President, this would be the Ticket, Obama and Colin Powers. Integrety, Honesty and all thats good about Man.
Posted by: Irmgard | May 16, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
well guys it’s been fun got to go
120 delegates and counting
obama 08
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Bojan Vubral =================
Well said. I think we americans have gotten too paranoid that we have lost any commonsense.
We think, reason and live in fear. We feel that any one who doesn’t look like us is definitely coming to destroy us
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Water Bored said: “Yeah, things are bad so lets make them worse, by simpy “changing things”.
So your logic is when things are bad, we should be sure to change nothing at all?
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
“Water Bored said: “Why is it that Bush’s audience went wild with applause, if what he said was so outrageous? Was his entire audience a bunch of “war-mongers” as well?”
Yes.”
Really ? Is that an attack on the Israeli Parliament, or what ?
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
When I first heard of Obama, my thoughts were,”I hope he waits a few years to run”.
I think he is a brilliant but somewhat untested man and I don’t want him to train in the Oval Office.
Posted by: m.miller | May 16, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
So your logic is when things are bad, we should be sure to change nothing at all?
Of course not. But typically, the scientific method doesnt support the Hail-Mary approach. Typically, a cause and effect relationship is established first, before trying to determine exactly what needs to be changed.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Hey Geldo: You say that Americans think that “anyone who doesn’t look like us is coming to destroy us”…..last I looked, there is no such thing as “looking like” an American. We’re sort of a melting pot, very few have real clear blood lines.
Posted by: ARSailormom | May 16, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
bez
You can believe what you want, Obama obviously believed he was talking about him. But Carter was the one that went and made an ass out of himself by going when he was told not to go. Obama just can’t stop feeling he is being picked on by Bush because he also overloaded his ass by stating that he would talk to terrorist countries! Do you watch the news? CNN?
Posted by: Lia from Texas | May 16, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
I do NOT think, reason, and live in fear. How cowardly you are! I live each day thankful I live in a free country, knowing I can pretty much say what I want without being beheaded; not bow to a man without having my whatever cut off; I am not paranoid about someone coming to destroy us. I simply believe in keeping your friends close, and your enemies closer. Being alert is not being paranoid. Being aware of possible danger is not being paranoid. So, my suggestion to you is try some valium or Prozac. Works wonders for that anxiety you seem to be feeling!! Cheers!
Posted by: Jill | May 16, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
I stand corrected.
Obama’s mother did live her entire life as an ATHEIST and Obama’s father was buried as a MUSLIM and male children are considered MUSLIM.
It confused Obama too and that is why Obama had a hard time with his cocaine addiction and embraced the MUSLIM group Nation of Islam
As a paid Obama blogger I can at least apologize.
Posted by: lyne | May 16, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
I stand corrected.
Obama’s mother did live her entire life as an ATHEIST and Obama’s father was buried as a MUSLIM and male children are considered MUSLIM.
It confused Obama too and that is why Obama had a hard time with his cocaine addiction and embraced the MUSLIM group Nation of Islam
As a paid Obama blogger I can at least apologize.
Posted by: lyne | May 16, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
to support Hammas was to support democracy because Hammas was elected democratically under the observation of the UN and they won against mahmoud abbas, bush and his administration had started the war against them by calling them terrorist and trying to convince the world of it, simply because they insist that their is no piece until all OCCUPIED palestine(only as per The UN (Why not)) is given back and the 5 million palestinians return to their homes of thousands of years ago
Posted by: jamil | May 16, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Do the Neoconuts and the Repugs on this board do any research before you post here? Seems like you just spout off whatever you feel like and expect people to believe you. Maybe the morons do,thank God most Americans are not that stupid.
BUSH WAS TALKING ABOUT OBAMA YESTERDAY, HIS OWN SPOKESPERSON ADMITTED IT..
White House spokesperson Dana Perino was asked if Bush’s line was a slam against Obama and she insisted, “It is not.”
“I understand that when you are running for office sometimes you think the world revolves around you. That is not always true and it is not true in this case,” Perino added, though the White House is keenly aware of how such statements might play during a heated political season and has steadfastly avoided commenting on the 2008 race.
Late Thursday that notion seemed to be confirmed.
“Did we know this could be construed as being about Obama? Yes, of course,” a White House source told ABC News. “But was this about just Obama? No, it was about Pelosi, Carter, Biden, Obama, etc. When the line went in the speech, we made sure that it was the same as everything (Bush) has said in the past. This was not about just Obama.”
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
All I have to say that I am voting for McCain!
Posted by: justlive | May 16, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Quite franky, following 9/11, everybody agreed that it wasnt a matter of “if” but a matter of “when” the next 9/11 was coming. 8 years later – no attack.
If Democrats can conjur up a new twisted logic, designed to assign every toe-stubbing across the world to GWB and his policies, then I think we can also manage to assign at least some credit to Bush with the absence of this “matter-of-when” attack. Somehow I think that GWB deserves credit.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
Bush’s devisive comments are the typical scare tactics we’ve become accustomed to from the GOP. It’s really all they have left to say with an economy in the tank, a war with no end, and perverted congressmen and senators who prey on teenage boys and cruise bathrooms for male-on-male sex. The GOP should use all their money to buy an island somewhere where they all live in harmony when Obama takes back our country and rights this ship that’s run off course. -ArtieJoe68
Posted by: ArtieJoe68 | May 16, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
No, wait…. Barack Hussein Obama said he will meet with the enemy (all Islamic states and their terrorists) without preconditions.
Hillary clinton won’t hear of it unless there were pre-conditions.
Now, Obama turns his coat and pretends he never said that. Why? Because he wants to be elected, and realised he put his foot in it earlier.
But wait, once Barak Hussein Obama is in the White House he will do as he pleases and will invite anyone he wants for tea.
He will make a laughing stock out of our nation. Not to mention our fallen.
God forbid.
Posted by: Retrovvision | May 16, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
The hate that you people sprew on thgis blog is rediculious. You need to sit back take a deep breath and ask yourselves, why do I have so much hate in my heart for one man. If you think we don’t need to talk to our enemies then something is wrong with you people. Do you not want peace throughout the world? Obama said he would talk to our enemies not terriost, get it straight. But it is people like you that keep this world in war, we need to come to some terms9Peaceful) with those that hate the US and that is a lot of people and they are not all terriost! Use some common sense and stop letting your hatred cloud yor judgement.
Posted by: Emilianna | May 16, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Jill: Amen sister. Proud (not scared) to be an American! Live in fear? Nah….just live free and protected.
Posted by: ARSailormom | May 16, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
So, yeah – if GWB’s policies have prevented another homeland attack, killng another 3000 *civilians*, then yeah – maybe I do want an extension of some of his policies.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
that was funny. thanks barack. dude, your nutty.
Posted by: jill jill jill | May 16, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Obama did originally say that he would meet with any foreign leader, no preconditions.
SUSAN, WUT, OTHERS, YOU ARE SPINNING THE WORDS AGAIN. OBAMA SAID HE WOULD SIT DOWN WITH THEM, NOT THAT HE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH THEM. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. HE WOULD SIT DOWN WITH THEM TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY COMMON GROUND TO GO FORWARD, NOT GIVE INTO THEM FOR ANYTHING.
Posted by: roger in VA | May 16, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
The Bush administration is one of the biggest terrorist organizations in the world. We are currently involved in a nuclear war; with depleted uranium laced all through our tanks and shells. Our soldiers come home excreting uranium in their semen. Iraqi children are being born without brains and birth defects due to the uranium that is left in their soil after the firing stops. We support the Israeli army that plows down Palestinian homes with CAT Bulldozers from America, with PEOPLE still inside them. Bush put up no fight when Isreali forces ran over Rachel Corrie (an American citizen) TWICE and ended up killing her. End the ingnorance. There is no way to peace without dialogue. You can’t force a whole country of people to change their way of life. Stop feeding off the fear the media fills you full of. Shut off your t.v. walk outside and take of our homeless and needy. We Americans take far too much pride in our own ego’s.
Posted by: ms ego | May 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
as said by jpmbz:”Do the Neoconuts and the Repugs on this board do any research before you post here?”
My question to you: Have you ever thought of using a dictionary in order to find correct terms? Ahh… I get it. You were trying to be insulting rather than ignorant. My bad!
Posted by: Jill | May 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
For people saying obama is toast, was not not what you have been saying since the start of the primaries, but look where obama is today!Come November, you’ll be shut up forever! I can’t wait!
May God bless America!!!
Posted by: dew5050 | May 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
If this issue is so important why not open serveral polls and get public opinions.
It should be very interesting to see where people stand on this issue.
Some questions are like
Should US support Israeli
and why or not?
Should US act strongly to control oil resource and why or not?
Should US negotiate terrorists and radicals
and why or not?
……………..
……………..
Such issue is complicated and may not have straight and simple answer.
But that is how all live in this imperfect world.
If everyone is selfishless and
if everyone is willing to sacrifice self for others
we do not need government and
we do not need law.
So for now, make no mistake,
stand up for yourself and
stand up for America
Posted by: jy2008 | May 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
“sitting down with them” is all you need to do, in order to undermine our efforts, to give them un-due credibility, and to provide them with propaganda ammunition to be dispelled to the population of Iran.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
lyne
I too am a paid Obama blogger.
Please help me post the Huffington Post clip about John McCain. At politico dot com they have two clips of McCain from the same interview and it appears Arianna Huffington is creating more fake news. I fell for it.
At least I am extra excited today because we got gay marriage in California. I cannot wait to sex it up legally with another gay dude.
I am getting .50cents for each blog post but I forgot how to cut and paste to submit my work for payment.
Obama ’08
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
lyne
I too am a paid Obama blogger.
Please help me post the Huffington Post clip about John McCain. At politico dot com they have two clips of McCain from the same interview and it appears Arianna Huffington is creating more fake news. I fell for it.
At least I am extra excited today because we got gay marriage in California. I cannot wait to sex it up legally with another gay dude.
I am getting .50cents for each blog post but I forgot how to cut and paste to submit my work for payment.
Obama ’08
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Obama is not a change – he is the same old same old when will you people realize that…he lies and he is in the “ESTABLISHMENT” he preached about – he is their back pocket and they will be the ones calling the shots. Get real..for those college students who have yet to earn a degree who backed Obama grow up and realize …there will be no change same old politics just more wool being pulled over your eyes..
Posted by: dell | May 16, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Retrovvision -
Bush has already made a laughingstock of our country, and there would not BE as many fallen if he had taken something more like Obama’s approach (or his own father’s, for that matter).
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
All I know is, if this country elects another republican I’m moving out.
Posted by: J | May 16, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
To those of you saying that Obama just wants to “sit down with,” not negotiate with, our enemies: Think about this….these enemies he wants to sit down with have stated in no uncertain terms, on more than one occassion, that they have in their hearts a hatred for anything American, they want to take over our country and either force our allegiance to Muhammed or behead us all…..this is fact. Tell me now, where do you see a middle ground in “just sitting down with” that kind of mentality?
Posted by: ARSailormom | May 16, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
Don’t let to door slap you in the rump on your way out May.
Posted by: ARSailormom | May 16, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Its so funny – All Bush said is that diplomacy with terror, is useless. He gets wild applause, for a sensible stateent. But Democrats get all up in arms, and take it *personally* ?
Speak about having a guilty conscience, or being hypersensite…perhaps even, vulnerable for criticism ?
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
The comments from David from Texas reveal how truly ignorant this country is. Americans don’t deserve a real leader. Let’s keep Bush in office as an installed dictator. we know he does not “flip flop.” Hilary has a shot at captivating the dumb white American voters, but why fix things if they ain’t broke? Dumb voters like David already have their man where they want him to help turn the rest of the American population into thugs too.
It makes me proud and brings a single tear to my eye. Damn’t we don’t need reason, discourse or books. Let’s also continue our work to get rid of that silly, frilly Constitution.
That thing is just more niave talk and it has no fire power like the NRA and the US Arms forces.
Let’s get’m.
Posted by: Reed | May 16, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
A “Foolish Delusion”.
(WILD APPLAUSE )
Well said George, well put indeed !
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
You were trying to be insulting rather than ignorant. My bad!
Posted by: Jill May 16, 2008 6:13:07 PM
Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Iran did not invade any country? Hamas creation was helped by the very same Israel because they (Hamas) were opposed to Yasir Arafat Fatha.
You don’t have enough fingers on yor hands to count the number of countries US invaded or helped (by arming one group or another) screw up.
Before we all fall into teh same rat hole.. let’s get teh facts right. Israel was created in 1948 by the League of Nations – mostly European and White ruled countries. Many of the countries in today’s UN were not granted independence by the colonial powers, tehreby muting their voices. Thus Palestinian land was taken away and given to create Israel. Ben Gurion, Shamir and Begin were all considered terrorists by the British at the time.
Since then, Israel has stolen much more land from the Palestinians.
Before you call Hamas terrorists, ask yourself; what would you do if it was your land or your life that was stolen?
And by tehway…let’s also check who kills more civilians, Hamas or the Israelis?
Sad isn’t it that the Jews are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to their parents.
Posted by: nafzak | May 16, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Iran did not invade any country? Hamas creation was helped by the very same Israel because they (Hamas) were opposed to Yasir Arafat Fatha.
You don’t have enough fingers on yor hands to count the number of countries US invaded or helped (by arming one group or another) screw up.
Before we all fall into teh same rat hole.. let’s get teh facts right. Israel was created in 1948 by the League of Nations – mostly European and White ruled countries. Many of the countries in today’s UN were not granted independence by the colonial powers, tehreby muting their voices. Thus Palestinian land was taken away and given to create Israel. Ben Gurion, Shamir and Begin were all considered terrorists by the British at the time.
Since then, Israel has stolen much more land from the Palestinians.
Before you call Hamas terrorists, ask yourself; what would you do if it was your land or your life that was stolen?
And by tehway…let’s also check who kills more civilians, Hamas or the Israelis?
Sad isn’t it that the Jews are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to their parents.
Posted by: nafzak | May 16, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
ARSailormom! ^5 to you! Proud to be an American also and will continue to do so. Time will tell on this election. And one thing I can say is that even though I don’t plan on voting for Obama, if he does win, I will honor him as my president because I honor the office. My parents taught me to respect this country and its leaders. I may not agree with them but I won’t demean them.
Posted by: Jill | May 16, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Kennedy was already calling the shots when he said Obama will not be on the same ticket with Hillary..Kennedy already showing his power over Obama…Obama has always paid his kingmakers and he will continue to do so to Kennedy, Kerry and all the “Old Establishment” …Obama justified his preacher’s racist comments but when Wright said “Obama will say what he needs to say he is a politician” …a person who has known him 20 years called him out…Obama did not like that and does not want the public to see the truth…
Posted by: delle | May 16, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Quite franky, following 9/11, everybody agreed that it wasnt a matter of “if” but a matter of “when” the next 9/11 was coming.
8 years later – no attack.
If Democrats can conjur up a new twisted logic, designed to assign every toe-stubbing across the world to GWB and his policies, then I think we can also manage to assign at least some credit to Bush with the absence of this “matter-of-when” attack. Somehow I think that GWB deserves credit for that.
Preventing another 9/11, is quite an accomplishment, and I thank god for GWB. Somehow I think that if Kerry or Gore were on the job, we may not have been as insulated.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
In Obama’s news conference today, Obama indicated that Kennedy met with Kruscheff when the US was on the brink of nuclear war with the USSR. This is just not true. Kennedy met with Kruscheff in Vienna on June 4, 1961. The Cuban Missile Crisis occurred from October 18-29, 1962. Is Obama lying to confuse the public on the basis he thinks they are ignorant or is Obama ignorant of history. In either case, Obama’s whole premise is that he is the one who has the intellectual capacity to persuade Iran to change their ways and become a peaceful member of the world community. Given Obama’s mis statements or out right lying about US history to get his point across, who in their right mind would believe anything he says?
Posted by: Sam | May 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
susan
i do watch CNN i am accually watching it now, i also read bbcnews.com to get a different view.
lyn
even if you beg you wouln’t be his blogger. you don’t undersand what he sands for you want some more of the same thing go vote for mccain and see how long you will stay in your job or how much you will pay for gas prices.
it is very sad americans elected bush again and they want him again, when will anyone get it this country needs change biggggggg time.
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
“Ding, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.” said by jpmbz
Thanks….I’m ususally good at figuring out the ding dongs pretty quickly on here!
Cheers!
Posted by: Jill | May 16, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
If Barry (Oh Mama!) thinks he is cute by trying to say that John McCain is George Bush’s third term, I would like to suggest that Barry (Oh Mama!) is running to fulfill Jimmah Carter’s Second Term.
Posted by: patriot | May 16, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
If you want to know why this country is so divided, you need look no further than the right wing of the Republican party and the left wing of the Democratic party. Those of us tending more to the middle have lost our voices… or had them stolen.
Posted by: Tom in MA | May 16, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Obama is arrogant, naive, and yes – elitest to the core.
This lightweight rode a wave of hype into the nomination, and is going to damn near destroy us by taking ridiculous risks in the name of “change”, which are going to leave of 100 times worse off than we are now. People fainting in the audience for him ? Give me a break…what total losers.
Change for the sake of change is not a good thing, and Obama is a foolish hyperbolist who will be the main agent for exactly this kind of Tomfoolery.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Geldo
I will go to Ben Smith’s blog at POLITICO now to attack McCain.
Remember our notes:
1) Type McSame
2) Don’t mention Michelle Obama
3) Use abortion and Iraq topics to scare Hillary supporters to vote for Obama. Without whites, Mexicans, and Asians, Obama will lose.
4) Panic Mode.
5) Talk about 4000 dead and use blood a lot.
See you at Ben Smith on Politico.
P.S. I was told .45 cents for each post.
Posted by: lyne | May 16, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
Here’s one of the biggest BS post’s of the day…………….
I stand corrected.
Obama’s mother did live her entire life as an ATHEIST and Obama’s father was buried as a MUSLIM and male children are considered MUSLIM.
It confused Obama too and that is why Obama had a hard time with his cocaine addiction and embraced the MUSLIM group Nation of Islam
As a paid Obama blogger I can at least apologize. (paid Obama blogger my ass)
Posted by: lyne (you mean liar)
Obama’s father was an ATHEIST before he even met Obama’s mother.
Obama describes his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as detached from religion, yet “in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known.” He describes his Kenyan father as “raised a Muslim,” but a “confirmed atheist” by the time his parents met, and his Indonesian stepfather as “a man who saw religion as not particularly useful.”
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
Jill: So true. My parents taught me the same thing. The office deserves the respect. I do not agree with everything our president has done, but isn’t that part of being a free American? That does not give me right to bash him, ridicule him, and give our enemies fodder to feed on.
Posted by: ARSailormom | May 16, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Tom in MA….EXCELLENT! I totally agree. I am planted in the middle and can’t find a footing. I’m not happy with any of the candidates this year and may vote for Spongebob as a write-in!
Posted by: Jill | May 16, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
lyne
is that how much who ever is paying you to write this blog (.45 cents) well your comments are really not worth that much. try somethng positive about the candidate you are voting for instead of trashing you president in 2008
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Obama is just a wannabe, why is he debating a complicated issue??..Geez, he cant even had the number of states correct…btw, is Florida and Michigan included in his 57???
Posted by: Baron | May 16, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Obama clearly said that he would personally meet with America’s worst enemies without negotiations or pre-conditions. It’s on tape from the debates, and you can bet the Republicans and 527s have the tape at their disposal.
Now here’s where McCain was wrong: he mentions meeting with these people using “soaring rhetoric” but we all know that Obama’s speaking is anything but without a scripted speech and his teleprompters. Think of him crumpling in the PA debate with Hillary. Think of his stuttering and stammering “uhuhuhuh” when answering a question from the press. Think of all the gaffes he’s made that later had to be explained or recalled. Do you really want this idiot representing America in one-to-one talks with Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong II or Castro? I don’t!!
Posted by: HoosierSue | May 16, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
I second that Im voting for McCain 2.
Posted by: TH | May 16, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
“by rich white PEEEEEOPLE !!!”
“by rich white PEEEEEOPLE !!!”
“by rich white PEEEEEOPLE !!!”
“Barack HUSSEIN Obama”
“Barack HUSSEIN Obama”
“Barack HUSSEIN Obama”
“Typical White Person…”
“Typical White Person…”
“Typical White Person…”
Ive heard enough of this guy and his ilk.
Everybody knows that Democrats can NEVER win the presidency without the 99% monolithic black vote – and thats why they are always trying to make race an issue. If the day comes where blacks start thinking Republican, even like – 25% of them, the Democrats will NEVER again win the presidency.
That is the reason Democrats are so ruthless about injecting race into everything – their party can not exist without black monolithic support.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Hello.. George Bush did not say Obama’s name, as a matter of fact i believe he was talking about Jimmy peanut Carter, that was my first thought when i heard George’s speech. because after all Jimmy did go to Hamas. now all the democrat polition’s have jumped on the Obama express. this is all so redicilous. War is this what it is between the Rep. and Dem..and slamming Bill Clinton, Michelle Obama although i do feel if the crap can be thrown at Billy boy then Michelle Obama need’s to stand up and take her part of the mud slinging too. but is it ok for the man to get slammed but not the ladie’s? she said what she said. everyone heard it. and it wasent taken out of context either. i dont excuse people’s stupid remarks like some people do. she meant what she said. and Obana cant even remember the speeches he gives. cauuse he always has to be reminded of his statement’s. I wouldn’t vote for the dummy I dont care what color he is..
Posted by: jeanette | May 16, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
It is well documented that WE armed our current enemies–al-Qa’ida and insurgents in Iraq. How many of Saddam’s old weapons now being used by insurgents are marked with “Made in the USA”. Anyone who has seen Charlie Wilson’s War know that WE armed al-Qaeda…
This administration SQUANDERED the goodwill offered to us by Iran and Syria after 9/11…generally, when you call people “the Axis of Evil” they tend to get offendede.
For those of you so critical of diplomacy, come up with a better solution. Our soldiers are the best in world…but they, too, have been SQUANDERED by the oil barons that run this country. WE CAN’T STOP IRAN WITH OUR ARMIES…Bush has almost destroyed them.
Believe it or not, these people are not homicidal maniacs…they have a very specific political agenda. HAMAS–like it or not–is a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT!!! Unless the Palestinians and the Israelis can figure out how to play nicely (and there is blame on BOTH sides for this conflict) then we are going to have to choose…continue to bow to the very powerful jewish lobby in this country and continue to be attacked or pull out and let the Israelis handle it without us (because we won’t have anything left to give them).
My suggestion: let’s talk them into playing nice.
Posted by: Adriana | May 16, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
jock59801
Jock, you can’t turn back the clock.
America has enemies because of what happened. The rest of the world has the terrorists too and innocent people have already suffered because of the terrorist uprising of Islam who are not interested in talking peace. They blow up their own sons and want to die martyrs, and go to their holy Prophet who promised them 12 virgins each and some add other freebies.
YOU CAN’T TALK PEACE WITH SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT WANT PEACE.
Barak Hussein Obama, (born a muslim = muslim father = muslim for life) in the white house will be a gateway to heaven for them.
Posted by: Retrovvision | May 16, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
hoosier
the idots will be the people who will vote mccain in office and then give him 28% approval rating then cry aobut the president.
why is he an idiot b/c he want to talk to people and try to come up with a solution. if two people living in one house don’t like eachother do you think they will like eachother better if they don’t talk their problems out. i don’t undersand how some people are saying we don’t want to talk to iran? by not talking to them what did they do they are devloping a nuclear weapon and when you continue not to talk to them they will build more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: bez | May 16, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
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“they have a very specific political agenda. ”
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Yeah, to “wipe Israel off the map”, with newly developed nuclear weapons.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
america today reminds me of Saudi Arabia where they search u thoroughly to insure u don’t have any foreign political literature. what are we afraid of. what happened to freedoms and rights. bush created bin laden bush and bin laden are one team working on a global image distortion of anything arab or muslim to then classify all arabs and muslims like this character Bin Laden, hence call any islamic government or party that is not following our lead a terrorist party and attack, starve, occupy or kill them all ….. Bush+BinLaden=terrorism
Posted by: jamil | May 16, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
ARSailormom -
And what great things do you think will result from NOT sitting down with a foreign government?
After 9/11, the government of Iran was acting very conciliatory toward America. They condemned the attacks and even gave us some useful intelligence about Afghanistan. There may have been an opportunity to promote the more open and democratic factions there. Instead, the Bush Administration slammed the door on in their face and indirectly led to the election of the current extremist government. Is this what we want?
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
I think the problem is – there seems to be a certain undeclared war with a few terror states, as the liberals have pointed out so often – Saudi Arabia – and of course Iran, since they smashed Jimmy Carter up – and are now obviously dripping in US Coalition blood every day.
I guess appeasement is the policy, let’s face it. We all know they’re doing it – yet we all pretend the world garden is growing wonderfully – well except – The Bush, who most of the whiners call “Hitler” anyway.
Have you whiners been appeasing Bush, have you been “sitting down and talking to him?”
Posted by: SiliconDoc | May 16, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Writing about a job interview he had, Obama wrote:
“There was something about him that mad me wary. A little too sure of himself. And white.”
What does the ‘and white’ part mean?
Posted by: lyne | May 16, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
To celebrate his first day in office, Barry, Michelle, Wright, Farrakhan and Ayers will commence with the first annual American flag burning ceremony on the White House front lawn.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
mack
i can’t believe people are afraid of putting a black president in office. are you guys scared that he will make you guys pay for what you did in the past. don’t worry none of that will happen.
Posted by: dem | May 16, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Would any politician have a shred of credibility left, after expressing a desire to speak with a holocaust denier ?
Why then, does Obama have a shred of credibility left, after expressing his desire to “talk” with Ahmadenejad – the holocaust denier ?
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Retrovvision -
If you really believe that crap then there is obviously no point in tryng top have an intelligent conversation with you. Vote for McCain and continue the embarrassment of America with your clueless belligerence.
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
It is well documented that WE armed our current enemies–al-Qa’ida and insurgents in Iraq. How many of Saddam’s old weapons now being used by insurgents are marked with “Made in the USA”. Anyone who has seen Charlie Wilson’s War know that WE armed al-Qaeda…
This administration SQUANDERED the goodwill offered to us by Iran and Syria after 9/11…generally, when you call people “the Axis of Evil” they tend to get offendede.
For those of you so critical of diplomacy, come up with a better solution. Our soldiers are the best in world…but they, too, have been SQUANDERED by the oil barons that run this country. WE CAN’T STOP IRAN WITH OUR ARMIES…Bush has almost destroyed them.
Believe it or not, these people are not homicidal maniacs…they have a very specific political agenda. HAMAS–like it or not–is a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT!!! Unless the Palestinians and the Israelis can figure out how to play nicely (and there is blame on BOTH sides for this conflict) then we are going to have to choose…continue to bow to the very powerful jewish lobby in this country and continue to be attacked or pull out and let the Israelis handle it without us (because we won’t have anything left to give them).
My suggestion: let’s talk them into playing nice.
Posted by: Adriana | May 16, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
More Proof Barack Obama Is A Lying Sack
Let’s look at this statement from the words of the false messiah, Barack Obama. And back during his “No Surrender” tour, John McCain said anyone who wants to end the war in Iraq responsibly wants to surrender; he even said…
Posted by: Rhymes With Right | May 16, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Water Bored said: “Would any politician have a shred of credibility left, after expressing a desire to speak with a holocaust denier?”
If we didn’t talk to anyone who said something we disagreed with, then we wouldn’t even need telephones.
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
“Believe it or not, these people are not homicidal maniacs…they have a very specific political agenda”
Yeah, to “wipe Israel off the map”
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Okay.
I admit that his religious background is odd with “non-religious”, “detached from religion”, “raised as a Muslim”………but these posers are not getting paid .75 cents a post and I am smart enough to change my name when posting.
“…….I watched my mother being born.”….Barack Obama, “Dreams From My Father”, 2004, page 16
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
Okay.
I admit that his religious background is odd with “non-religious”, “detached from religion”, “raised as a Muslim”………but these posers are not getting paid .75 cents a post and I am smart enough to change my name when posting.
“…….I watched my mother being born.”….Barack Obama, “Dreams From My Father”, 2004, page 16
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
If we didn’t talk to anyone who said something we disagreed with, then we wouldn’t even need telephones.
Sure we would – to speak with those we agree with.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
No, not a black man. Just someone who surrounds himself with people that do not respect our country and ALL the people that live here.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
This is an utterly ridiculous issue. We do not live in the kind of world where we can afford not to talk to our enemies. Talking is not negotiation and negotiation is not appeasement. We already see what the strategy of “find ‘em, smoke ‘em out, and kill ‘em” has amounted to in Afghanistan and Iraq. Like it or not, unless we are prepared to invade every entity we disagree with – or worse yet, to unleash nuclear hell upon them (and us), we really have to attempt to dialogue with others while we also emply other non-military options.
Posted by: JP | May 16, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
This is an utterly ridiculous issue. We do not live in the kind of world where we can afford not to talk to our enemies. Talking is not negotiation and negotiation is not appeasement. We already see what the strategy of “find ‘em, smoke ‘em out, and kill ‘em” has amounted to in Afghanistan and Iraq. Like it or not, unless we are prepared to invade every entity we disagree with – or worse yet, to unleash nuclear hell upon them (and us), we really have to attempt to dialogue with others while we also emply other non-military options.
Posted by: JP | May 16, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Unfortuately, the primaries has always been about race -when Obama made it about race and when 90% of the Black vote goes to a black candidate when it was never clear what where Obama stood on issues…if Obama losses Obama people will claim that it is about race ..when it has always been about the candidate himself…that is what it appears to be mounting as it always has been …if you do not vote for me it is because you are racist…not because he is inexperience, unknown, not a self made person, mistrustful, bad judgement and overall not qualified to be a President due to all of the above and more…
Posted by: dell | May 16, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
If you are against Terrorism, then vote for Obama.
Why?
Because, there is one person that I think of who will scare these Terrorists:
And she is, Michelle Obama.
Posted by: Jason | May 16, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
What Hitler started Obama will finish.
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
What Hitler started Obama will finish.
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Oh shut up – dont you get it ? Speaking with terrorists can only do harm, no good. Not only are they not capable of reason, they interpret our mere desire to speak as weakness, and use it as propaganda.
Its worse than speaking to a brick wall – in this case, the brick wall gets stronger as you speak to it, inflated with a sense of undue credibility.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
McCain says Obama is reckless? How about authorizing a preemptive war on a country without an iota of evidence there is weapons of mass distruction, and which now has cost hundreds of thousands ( at least) of Iraqi lives and horrific injuries, and over 4,000 American lives and thousands of massive horrific injuries, and billions and billions of dollars to the tax payers. So Obama wants to talk – yeah, reckless, gimme a break!
Posted by: Madeleine | May 16, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Oh shut up – dont you get it ? Speaking with terrorists can only do harm, no good. Not only are they not capable of reason, they interpret our mere desire to speak as weakness, and use it as propaganda.
Its worse than speaking to a brick wall – in this case, the brick wall gets stronger as you speak to it, inflated with a sense of undue credibility.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Obama is pathetic, he acts all brave in one of his scripted town hall meeting, saying that he would debate McCain any where any time on foreign policies, but when McCain asked him to do town hall meeting together where they take questions from anyone, Obama has to think about it….I guess that’s not what he was talking about when he said any where or any time. Just like he has to think about taking federal funds for the general election even thou he signed a pledge that he would. Obama is as real as a three dollar bill, and makes the media fight his battles when he gets into trouble, to bad foreign media will not be as kind.
Posted by: sam | May 16, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Obama is very thin skinned. He gets upset because he thinks someone is picking on him and the media jumps to give him national coverage. How many times is the media going to bend over backwards to give this guy a free platform. He isn’t president yet. It is just getting creepy.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Vanessa: Your right its time for a change and that’s to get rid of Obama before he destroys our country. I also have a suggestion for you, why don’t you join his church and meet his racist pastor. I believe you would fit right in. You might even attend it for 20 years like Barack Hussein Obama.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 16, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Madeleine:
Go over to Ben Smith at Politico.
I am already getting paid .75 cents for each post and I got this Water Bored dude locked up.
Our topics are:
1) McSame and you used McCain
2) You did not use “blood” in your post.
3) You spelled destruction as distruction.
You can submit your post but you missed points and spelled wrong.
Leave!
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Madeleine:
Go over to Ben Smith at Politico.
I am already getting paid .75 cents for each post and I got this Water Bored dude locked up.
Our topics are:
1) McSame and you used McCain
2) You did not use “blood” in your post.
3) You spelled destruction as distruction.
You can submit your post but you missed points and spelled wrong.
Leave!
Posted by: jock59801 | May 16, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
locked up ?
Posted by: Water Bored | May 16, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
I don’t think anyone knows what obama really belives in. What is it he really has visions of? Does his vision transend America’s best intrests. We know his rev’s feelings and position. He has to surface this issue.
Posted by: j40 | May 16, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
bez, change for Obama =
HIGHER TAXES: Higher taxes that will be paid by us all as the small business owners (who will bear the brunt to the taxes) will either charge higher prices or go out of business and lay off a lot of people.
BIG GOVERNMENT: Big government composed of lots and lots of more State workers who we will all pay for but get little in return. That is because most of the higher taxes Obama is proposing will go into the State worker’s pockets not the peoples. In addition all this money extracted by force from the people will also go into the pockets of a bunch of corrupt hanger ons. Think Rezko
APPEASEMENT DIPLOMACY: Obama cannot come up with one true example in the history of the world when Obama’s idea of talking to our enemies without precondition ever worked. For example, Obama stated that Kennedy met with Krucheff during the Cuban Missile crisis. NOT TRUE!!! The Cuban Missile crisis occurred in October 18-29, 1962. Kennedy met with Krucheff in Vienna on June 4, 1961. Either Obama is not very bright or lying, take your pick. In any case, Obama’s inability to justify his idea of talking to our enemies without preconditions shows you how weak his ideas are. Guess Obama is just counting on the American people being pretty ignorant of US history or so star struck they do not care if Obama is wrong or lying.
If you can think of anything else let me know.
Posted by: Sally | May 16, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Davio from Las Vegas writes:
The Republican machine would try to link Michelle and Barack Obama to unicorns if it would scare the American people and lead them back to the White House. First he’s Muslim, then he goes to a nutty Christian church, although I don’t know how he’s both. And now they are going after his wife. Does Obama have a dog? Better keep it on a short leash. Soon they’ll say the dog barks in Arabic.
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
it is not only who is president, we need to be active to deserve our democracy. to be active we must first Demand
1. The Truth including the other sides complete story and opinion even if an enemy
2. open all media international( our fellow man deserves our attention lets hear them too)
3. give us back our right to privacy, and opinion.
then we go to the street to say NO when the government we choose makes a wrong decisions and stop its action and correct it,,only then we deserve our democracy.
Posted by: jamil | May 16, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
jock59801
I know, for westerners it is difficult to grasp what islamic terrorists are about. Nobody in his right mind on our side would believe what they do with such conviction that they want to blow themselves up… And why would they want 12 virgins each? Different values and different mentality my friend. You have to go to an islamic state and see for yourself how people step in line through hard line governments. Women and men are segregated. Men pray collectively 5 times a day… they roll out their prayercarpets and face the Mecca. The men watch each other. Everyone stops what ever they are doing to pray – loudspeakers transmit prayer chants “Allah akbar” (God is great) throughout the land. You can’t step out of line and do something else. It is like another planet. If you were there just one day, you would appreciate freedom more.
Posted by: Retrovvision | May 16, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Note the date of this article. Tomorrow McCain will have flip-flopped. SOP.
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Al Qaeda and Bin Laden would be dancing in the streets planning their next move because they know US had voted an experienced president in the white house. Not only would they be dancing, they would be laughing at us.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 16, 2008 7:12:22 PM
Hello! They have been laughing at the U.S. for the last 7 1/2 years, where the Fck have you been?
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
And let’s not forget that when the Senate had a vote to identify Iran’s Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, Obama not only didn’t show up to cast a vote – but criticized Hillary in a debate for voting “Yes”.
Posted by: HoosierSue | May 16, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
President Bush has cause alot things for American nobody talks about they always making judgment on Obama. Best thing is make change in this country because BUSH regime is a big problem to this country.
Posted by: ADEOYE | May 16, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
McCain should check himself into a nursing home.
Posted by: AJ | May 16, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Mariann pepitone (7:12): “Obama wants to sit down, have coffee and make friends with the terrorists? What is wrong with this generation today that would vote for a candidate who would make that kind of mistake? ”
For some reason I thought being more like “friends” (nations do not actually make friends) than like enemies is a good thing.
…… Improves our security.
…… Reduces the risks of terroists attacks against us.
…… Give us MORE influence in what they do.
… etc.
I suppose you are still angry with Nixon for opening relations with China.
We get a candidate for a change who is rational and logical, and what is the response? Knee-jerk brain-dead responses.
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
I think Obama does a fine job of linking himself with unsavory characters all on his own. He should have chosen his church and associates more carefully if he believed that he might run for President one day.
Posted by: Mack | May 16, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
We really need big change in this country let focus ourselve to that big change, enough of BUSH problem which has cause economies to crumble. Let allow change to happen which is Obama.
Posted by: wale | May 16, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 16, 2008 7:20:42 PM
THAT HAS TO BE THE MOST IGNORANT POST I HAVE EVER SEEN. NOTHING IN YOU POST IS TRUE. ARE YOU POSTING COMPLETE LIES ON PURPOSE, OR ARE YOU JUST AN COMPLETE IGNORANT MORON?
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
JP, Obama’s idea of talking to our enemies without precondition did not work with Hitler. In fact, I do not see any example in world history where appeasement ever worked. So why do you think it will work any better with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who said “Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation’s fury,”?
Posted by: Sam | May 16, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Obama is the person who said he would talk to any leader from Iran to North Korea to Venezuela with no precondition, so what that means is he would have photo opportunities with every dictator who wants to destabilize the world and to do that they have to weaken America, the only thing these guys would want with a meeting with a US President is a photo opp.. their not going to change their agenda because Obama has a nice simile, and to place an American President in the position of shaking hands with the nut-case from Iran or that pig from Venezuela is unacceptable from a person who is running to be the President. Obama is the one who has on his web site quote ‘ the only candidate that will talk to Iran with no preconditions” what a reason to vote for him.
Posted by: tersa | May 16, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
This is not one among the three candidates left who does not have unsavory associates. Anyone among us who has not led a sheltered life probably has them, too.
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
Obama and the Democratic leadership of the Senate and House are making me consider leaving the Democratic party. At this point I would rather be known as a liberal independent than to be represented by this bunch of clowns. What happened to the likes of Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy. These present day clowns are offended when they should be embarrased…Obama wants to sit down with Iran and then the Democractic leadership of Reid and Nancy P. coming to his aid. I can hear the world laughing out loud at our historically uneducated Democratic leadership. At least the Republicans know they have no leaders. Wake up Democrats.
Posted by: Roger King | May 16, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Here’s the bottom line….
Obama will be YOUR next POTUS.
Imagin that, a BLACK MAN your President.
It’s a done deal.
Deal with it.
I’m out. I have to get ready to see Ron White live tonight. He’s gonna rip Bush and McBush a new one.
Obama 2008-20016!
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Yeah, tough talker George. “We don’t talk to terrorists.” No George, but your administration pays them not to shoot at us. Ha Ha. And you don’t have the nads to go after the real enemy, Saudi Arabia. Too busy kissing their behinds and begging them to drop oil prices.
Anyone who listens to a thing this man says (GW) is a fool. This man is the architect of our problems right now people. Wake up. I will be glad to see the back of him. I would be happier if he was in handcuffs, but we all know that ain’t gonna happen. He is too connected and we all know just how loud money speaks in Merica.
Posted by: Don | May 16, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
I think that too much importance is placed on who the president is. The job of governing our country is devided between three branches- in order to have ballance. No one person (president) can make or break the nation.
Also, no president does the job alone. There is a cabinent and advisors to assist. If a president had a stupid idea (and since they are all human, they all will occasionally) there are people to talk sense to them, and ballancing powers to override them if neccesary.
I think that the country will be ok whether it is Obama, or Clinton, or McCain who gets elected (although I plan on writing in Ron Paul, simply because his voting record matched up the best with what he said of all the candidates this go round)
Posted by: Emilia | May 16, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
Obama, what a day – Finishing off Hillary and now kicking Bush & McCain’s A## all in one day
Posted by: Indycvs | May 16, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
DennisNC For your information below is a list of Obama’s friends and associates per LGF:
“* Rabidly anti-Israel Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi. The Obamas were regular dinner guests at Khalidi’s Hyde Park home for years.
* Terrorist sympathizer Ali Abunimah, who runs the viciously anti-Israel web site Electronic Intifada.
* Unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
* Reverend Jeremiah Wright. What more needs to be said?
* Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Samantha Power — fired after calling Hillary Clinton a “monster.”
* Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Robert Malley — fired when it was revealed he has been holding talks with Hamas.
* Hatem El-Hady, former official of the Hamas-linked charity Kindhearts, closed by the Justice Department. El-Hady’s web page—with Michelle Obama listed as an opt-in “friend”—suddenly vanished from the Obama campaign site with no explanation, after being exposed by LGF and others.
* Tony Rezko — a Chicago fixer currently in a whole lot of legal trouble.”
All the above are anti-American, racist or crooks. Sorry, even Hillary’s associates are not that bad.
Posted by: Mary | May 16, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Mariann Pepitone:
Your words are poison and stupid….
In fact, they are defiling you……
For it’s not what goes inside a person that defiles that person,namely you, but that which comes out…that defiles…..And you are in desperate need of counseling and cleansing…
Folks like you would say any stupid thing to get attention…Well, you got it…and it stinks…
Posted by: Wisdom | May 16, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
I’ve got an answer for John McBush. He wants to know what Obama would talk to Ahmedinejad about. That’s easy. If Ahmedinejad said some outrageous things about Israel, we should want to talk to him about why he’s saying these things about our friends. When you want to get something resolved you confront it face to face. But that would be like statesmanship..something the neocons have led us not to expect anymore. It’s time to shut that failed ideology down.
Sitting in the Oval Office hurling cheap threats at “the evil people” is the kind of cowboy crap that has ruined this nation’s reputation, squandered its moral authority, and taken us down a road to ruin. Not to mention that McBush has flip-flopped on the question of Hamas. So they should shut the hell up.
Posted by: White Male Veteran | May 16, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
He comments on Bush’s remarks about Hitler and calls them appalling, but he never batted an eye or said a word when his mouthpieces and surrogates were calling Hillary Clinton Hitler??? Why is that?
Posted by: jdona | May 16, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
Roger King:
I got one word for you: LEAVE!!!!
Posted by: Wisdom | May 16, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
The Bush family and the Bin Laden family were in business together. That’s why you will NEVER SEE HIM CAUGHT. Bush saw EDWARDS AND OBAMA ON THAT STAGE and got scared as heck!! He had to say something stupid. CHECK OUT THIS MATH- OBAMA (ONE)-CLINTON,HUCKABEE,MCCAIN,BILL, AND NOW BUSH ARE COMING AGAINST OBAMA-HE MUST BE ONE HELL OF A CONTENDER.
Posted by: LOWES4321 | May 16, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
O’Bama has had it. Everyone knows that to negotiate with the enemy shows weakenss and O’Bama would be a disgrace to the US.
Posted by: M. Sumler | May 16, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
tersa: “Obama is the one who has on his web site quote ‘ the only candidate that will talk to Iran with no preconditions” what a reason to vote for him.”
It is one of many good reasons to vote for him. I realize that many Americans like unnecessary hostilities. I don’t.
I realize that many Americans prefer attacking other countries after some confrontation rather than defusing the issue to avoid the confrontation. I don’t.
I prefer logical and productive approaches to problems rather than those primarily designed to appeal to irrational emotion.
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Mariann Pepitone:
There you go again shooting off nonsensical words concerning senator Obama and his family as if you know them….Why don’t you try to find your purpose and life and do something constructive?…..’cause right now you are really showing how bitter and angry you are….What happened to you?
Posted by: Wisdom | May 16, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
All haters of America ,black or white ,Barack Hussein Obama , Michelle ,pastor Wright, James H Cone ,Ayers , Farrakhan are free to pack they’r bags and go back to Africa.
Posted by: Moe | May 16, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Whoever used my name to post those foolish comments should go to hell !!!
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
The “ABC Republican Conservative News” bureau has carefully crafted another news story to enhance the republican point of view. Any freshman journalism student can see how they cleverly arranged this written piece, and when they finally got to Obama’s statements, they left out Obama’s most poignant statements and slyly included those which suggest negative things about him.
Does anyone trust ABC news anymore??? Our whole neighborhood avoids ABC programming. It’s all corporate America, Defense Industry propoganda.
Posted by: Robert Stowcraft | May 16, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
What planet did Obama come from? Obama better get tough if this has him upset just wait. McCain is the only choice thanks to the Democrats again. Who do you want to protect you? Not a close call – the kid Obama needs a lesson about life, but he will not get at our expense.
He is upset? I am upset that he has wasted our time, I was so hoping we have a leader come forward instead a fool who can charm the masses. He is a very scary man. His talk sounds great but it will never work – look at what Carter gave to Arofat Billions for nothing. I voted for the loser – we don’t need another Jimmy Carter.
Posted by: a citizen | May 16, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
White Male Veteran, sitting down with Ahmedinejad will provide Ahmedinejad with more status and make the US look weak in the eyes of the Islamic fanatics. By giving Ahmedinejad more status will demoralize the people of Iran who are counting on the US to stand firm against Ahmedinejad and his overseers the Mullahs. Making the US look weak to the Islamic terrorists will embolden them and thus make an attack against the US more likely. Think about it, you may disagree with Bush’s anti-terrorist policie, however, it is a fact that the US has not been attacked again since 9/11. So one would assume President Bush is doing something right.
By the way talking to our enemies when there is something tangible to negotiate is not what Obama is proposing. Obama’s idea of talking to our enemies WITHOUT PRECONDITION, is what is at issue.
Posted by: Simpson | May 16, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Moe =======
People who reason like you are definitely too immature to be americans.
Are you a native american? Where did your forefathers come from? Go back there!!!
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 16, 2008 7:44:48 PM
Dude, you are one ignorant mother fcker.
Like Joe Biden said, “Get a life.”
PS You’re also a racist. A parasite of society or more commonly known as a scum bag. Of course, all racist are ignorant. You fit in quite well. Good thing your posting on a computer, you don’t have to wear your white hood.
Posted by: jpmbz | May 16, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
Mary, anti-Israel is not synonymous with anti-American.
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Moe:
One thing you have to keep in mind is that America helped produced the likes of minister Louis Farrakhan……
You should listen to him sometimes….
Posted by: tony | May 16, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
Moe =======
People who reason like you are definitely too immature to be americans.
Are you a native american? Where did your forefathers come from? Go back there!!!
Posted by: Geldo | May 16, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
We’re in the year 2008 & Racism is alive at well. I’m reading some of the comments made about Obama & his wife. Totally unbelieveable! Have Bush supporters forgetten where Bush’s foreign policy has gotten us in the past 8 years! And don’t tell me we’re at war because of 911! Is Bush’s foreign policy working? Were weapons of mass destruction every found in Iraq? Gasoline prices are at $4/gallon & you guys do not see any problem with that! What has bush done for this country in the past 8 years. McCain for another 4/8years are you kinding me. And these religious comments about Obama being muslim are ridiculous. The comments are untrue & unfounded. This is what’s wrong with this country from an Educated Black Mans ViewPoint…..And people keep saying racism does not exist, just ride this blog.
Posted by: CNOTE | May 16, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Generals Odom,Scales and McCaffrey gave testimony to the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee about the Security Situation in Iraq. Per General Odom:
“The only sensible strategy is to withdraw rapidly but in good order.
Only that step can break the paralysis now gripping US
strategy in the region. The next step is to choose a new aim, regional
stability, not a meaningless victory in Iraq. And progress toward that
goal requires revising our policy toward Iran. If the president merely
renounced his threat of regime change by force, that could prompt
Iran to lessen its support to Taliban groups in Afghanistan. Iran
detests the Taliban and supports them only because they will kill
more Americans in Afghanistan as retaliation in event of a US attack
on Iran. Iran’s policy toward Iraq would also have to change
radically as we withdraw. It cannot want instability there. Iraqi
Shiites are Arabs, and they know that Persians look down on them.
Cooperation between them has its limits.
No quick reconciliation between the US and Iran is likely, but US steps to make Iran feel more secure make it far more conceivable than a policy calculated to increase its insecurity. The president’s policy has reinforced Iran’s determination to acquire nuclear
weapons, the very thing he purports to be trying to prevent. Withdrawal from Iraq does not mean withdrawal from the
region. It must include a realignment and reassertion of US forces
and diplomacy that give us a better chance to achieve our aim.”
Still think Obama is naive and inexperienced?
Posted by: Laura | May 16, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Mariann Pepitone:
Why do you continue to use the word “racist” so much? What is wrong with you? What happened in your life that causes you to express such vile and twisted words? You sure need some serious help there. Are you okay? Obviously not….Let me know if there’s anything I can do to help you….And if Sean Hannity is poisoning your mind, please let him go….
Posted by: Wisdom | May 16, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Gas at $4 a gallon kinda shoots holes in the leftist argument that “the war in Iraq is all about the oil” huh? I mean if we have stolen it all we must be literally bathing in the stuff. The war in Iraq is only about profit from oil remember lefties? Oh jeeez, so we won’t mention that anymore, what else can the left blame it on? I know! It’s ALL Bush’s fault. Hope you didn’t have an auto accident today cause we know who’s fault it would be
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
Simpson:
You come across to White Male Veteran as if you know what you are talking about….He stated his case; and here you go like some elementary school teacher trying to show him how to put a puzzle together. Well my friend, you are wrong about senator Obama….And stop talking about America as appearing weak….Diplomacy is a sign of strength……Not talking with nations that don’t agree with us is stupid….So, do you want a stupid government Simpson? If not, then vote for senator Obama and stop acting like you know so much…
Posted by: Widsom | May 16, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
Wisdom your dancing around the question with rhetoric. You have to ask youself why is gas $4/gallon. This is not about blame, this is about fact. A war was started on false pretenses. Where did Bush & Chaney get there wealth? Maybe you should research that fact.
Posted by: CNOTE | May 16, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Laura, much of the problem, aside from the bigotry, is that most Americans prefer to react rather than think. Otherwise, most would never have blindly supported the invasion of Iraq.
They like slogans (“Commie behind every rock”used to be a good one) … the attack mode rather than resolving problems first (that would require some real effort) … and they love bogeymen. Bogeymen give them someone to hate.
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
I guess we are being dumb again. Whats wrong with talking with nations you dont agree with. Obama never said he was going to sit down with terrorist. Terrorists are organisations like Hamas. Iran is a country. Try to differentiate please. Iran is a member of the United Nations please. We are mostly Christains and we all love Israel but if you study the history of the fight between Israel and the Palestines, you cant help but have some sympathy for them. There was nothing like the state of Israel till after the World war. With the help of the United States, Israel was able to plead with the Palestines for some portions of land to live on. The Palestines gave them a part of the desert but God was with them and made them prosperous but what did they do? Started encroaching on parts of the Palestinian lands and what ensued? War. In which the palestines lost even with the help of other arab nations and more lands were captured by Israel completely wiping them from the map of the world. All they are asking for are those piece of land that they lost back from Israel so they can exist and live on their own but this has been denied them because those lands are now part of the Jewish State. I love Israel and believe they have the right to exist and at the same time the Palestines have a right to exist too. That is why they should negotiate and come to an amicable solution. If you think Bush made you safer, then you are all suffering from an overdose of George Bush conniving and deceiving pills. We are all hiding in our country. Everyone is scared of travelling. No one wants to identify himself or herself as Americans when ouside the country. Its like hiding inside your house and not feeling the sunshine and believing that you are safer in your own house. Its time to ponder Americans. Do not make the same mistake thrice. You already made it twice. Dont vote republican for your own sake. A word is enough for the wise.
Posted by: vinny | May 16, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Last comment was directed toward Phil
Posted by: CNOTE | May 16, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
DennisNC, When Chamberlain talked to Hitler, I am sure Chamberlain had views similar to yours. Unfortunately, millions of people died during WWII because of the naive and dangerous ideas espoused by the likes of you and your so called intellectual elite. God help us all if you and your ilk prevail and Obama is actually elected. An Obama Presidency will make the US weaker and the world will be a much less safer place to live. The enemies of civilization will view the US as a “paper tiger” (Osama’s words) and as the US retreats from Iraq and lies down to talk with Ahmedinijad the enemies of civilization will be on the march against the West. As the saying goes, “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
Posted by: April | May 16, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
I had 6 terrorists attack me at once. Since I was outnumbered and unarmed I tried to talk with them. No go, they drew their Staffs of Radical Islamic Dominance (clubs) and beat the living daylights out of me. Was knocked unconscious and they probably thought I was dead and that is the only reason they left.
Posted by: US Veteran | May 16, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
From McCain (the hypocrite):
“McCain: “They’re the government; sooner or later we are GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it’s a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.”
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Laura – diplomacy is a good thing, but it needs to be done up the chain and with preconditions. Having your president speak directly and personally to their leader “without preconditions” is quite a different thing. Perhaps it’s a little subtle for yuo, but it is a big difference.
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
I can’t believe that there are still people that support the policies and practices of this failed Presidency. McCain would do well to distance himself from a President with the highest disapproval rating in modern history. And the biggest failing of this Presidency is the way in which it has and continues to divide and consequently weaken us as a nation. Bush is doing exactly what Abraham Lincoln said would destroy America.
Posted by: Kevin | May 16, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
Does Obama even know what he will do?
In 2007 in an interview he said no conditions and then the very next day said there’d be conditions. In one debate it was no conditions and in another debate there of course would be conditions. His website said he’d sit down with friend or foe. Who could possibly track? Also, Obama was able to pull off the cries of “divisive”, “dishonest” and old or dirty politics while up against Clinton but up against McCain he’s starting to sound like a whiner and a wuss. The writing is already on the wall for the general election in regards to how new the politics will be on both sides. What’s with Pelosi and Biden and almost every other Democrat jumping on board to defend Obama for? Can’t he handle it himself? I have no doubt Clinton could, but that’s why she wasn’t the nominee because she’s not the cash cow and puppet for the liberal elitists that Obama has become. I don’t know if I should feel proud that the Democrats this year will be buying the election or not. So much for Obama’s new politics and public financing. Huffington Post pulls out the video of McCain talking about Hamas a few years back to point out he’s flip-flopped.
No doubt he has, he’s been pandering to the right to improve his Presidential prospects. If the Dems think though that pointing out that McCain has taken some liberal or moderate positions in the past is going to turn off voters I beg to differ. For those of us CLinton supporters who are contemplating jumping ship to McCain it just makes me feel all the more comfortable doing so.
Posted by: alpaig | May 16, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
CNOTE – Why is gas $4 a gallon? Well, it’s fueled (pun intended) by a number of factors. 1.Speculation by investors in the future market. 2. Increased global demand by emerging nations like China and India. 3. Situations in Nigeria, the middle east. 4Situations in Venezula. Demand for “green industry” limiting the production of refineries and drilling.5. Lack of development of nuclear energy. I’m sure I could think of some more, but that will suffice. We pay for oil? Guess what? Welcome to what the rest of the world has been doing for years. I’m old enough to remember gas lines and rationing. You know what we did? We dumped all our gas guzzlers and bought economy cars. I suppose you don’t see any huge SUV’s out there with one person driving them anymore right?
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
CNOTE – Why is gas $4 a gallon? Well, it’s fueled (pun intended) by a number of factors. 1.Speculation by investors in the future market. 2. Increased global demand by emerging nations like China and India. 3. Situations in Nigeria, the middle east. 4Situations in Venezula. Demand for “green industry” limiting the production of refineries and drilling.5. Lack of development of nuclear energy. I’m sure I could think of some more, but that will suffice. We pay for oil? Guess what? Welcome to what the rest of the world has been doing for years. I’m old enough to remember gas lines and rationing. You know what we did? We dumped all our gas guzzlers and bought economy cars. I suppose you don’t see any huge SUV’s out there with one person driving them anymore right?
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
April I have one question for you. What has the fighting got us? Our enemies marched against us on 911 or have you forgotten. So as you put it “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it” It seems like this country is constantly repeating history. It’s time for change or different approaching to solving our problems. Because your approach ain’t working.
Posted by: CNOTE | May 16, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Nobody questions Reagan sitting down with the “Evil Empire” Soviet Union in Iceland. Also, the same people criticizing Obama for saying he would talk to Iran probably didn’t mind Reagan trading cruise missile parts to Iran in exchange for weapons funneled to the Contras. I would only have trouble with Obama acting like Reagan, not just talking like him.
Posted by: Scott | May 16, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Some of you liberals are too much. Do you think we all woke up yesterday and decided that Iran was a problem nation? Iran has supported terrorist groups. If I’m not mistaken, we have tried diplomacy for years. Do you remember the Carter years and the hostage situation? Our president should not speak directly to any rogue nation or terrorist group without certain preconditions being met. Diplomacy is not necessarily a bad thing, but we have departments and other government employees to do that before it is the president who should be speaking to these nations. It is a naive thing for someone who wants to be president to say and Obama now knows it. Haven’t you heard him backpedal?
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
April, do have a clue as to what happened with Chamberlain and Hitler? The appeasement came about due to the ACTIONS that came out of that meeting, NOT BECAUSE THEY MET.
FACT: Talking out problems is good! It might not solve the problems, but it does no harm.
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Some of you liberals are too much. Do you think we all woke up yesterday and decided that Iran was a problem nation? Iran has supported terrorist groups. If I’m not mistaken, we have tried diplomacy for years. Do you remember the Carter years and the hostage situation? Our president should not speak directly to any rogue nation or terrorist group without certain preconditions being met. Diplomacy is not necessarily a bad thing, but we have departments and other government employees to do that before it is the president who should be speaking to these nations. It is a naive thing for someone who wants to be president to say and Obama now knows it. Haven’t you heard him backpedal?
Posted by: Susan | May 16, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
WHY TALK TO OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE NIXON DID IN CHINA-LET’S JUST BRING BACK THE DRAFT. AND LET YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND GRANDCHILDREN -FIGHT IN IRAN,IRAQ-AND ANYWHERE ELSE OUR ENEMIES ARE-LET THEM GO ON THEIR EIGHTEENTH BIRTHDAY- WHITES-BLACKS-LATINS ETC. LET’S JUST KILL THE TERRORISTS-NO TALKING NECESSARY.
Posted by: LOWES4321 | May 16, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Okay, Susan, why are “conditions” necessary before someone talks. I keep hearing that, but not one person has said why they are necessary. Can you enlighten us?
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
It is WAY to simplistic to say that the fall of the USSR was due to Regan’s “talking” to them. You are comparing apples to oranges anyway when you compare the USSR to Iran. Before you lecture people on American History, perhaps you yourself would be better served by researching the dynamics behind the collapse of the USSR.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Hey Obumma!! I’m sure your next reply will take two days after you memorize your writers reply. The DNC needs there a** whipped!!!!
Hillary 08
Posted by: Lisa-Fl. | May 16, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Talks help in live. There has never been anytime in the world war stop or save problems. Obama is our man.
Posted by: Ify | May 16, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
—-Obama acts like he is already in charge—-given speeches–making statements about current events–addressing Congress—who the hell is he!!!!!!
Posted by: Jesse James | May 16, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
Moe…..You can pack your bags and go th He**. First thing is that each of those people you named were born right here in America, so therefore why do you think they should go to Africa? People like you are stupid and have no concept of unity. Get a life dude and stop hating!
Posted by: Emilianna | May 16, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
April (8:13),
Why does the US need to be a “tiger” at all? Are you one of those that enjoys the US being a bully?
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
To the retard that said Al Qeada has been laughing at us for the last 7 years, where from the hole in the ground they have been hiding in for the last 7 years. Was Bin Laden laughing this last year when he sent out tape after tape crying to Muslims in Iraq to stop killing Al Qeada members and to turn on Americans, is he laughing when he knows that Americans walk freely in Iraq and Afghanistan, while he can’t leave his hole in the ground. His he laughing that instead of bombing American citizens, Al Qeada is left with only bombing other muslims in Pakistan or Jordan or Iraq or Saudi Arabia. People love to talk about Bush’s approval rating why don’t the same people mention that since 911 where Bin Laden approve rating in the muslim world were at there highest have fallen 90% in the Islamic world these last years, he has become so distraught to prove his value that he had to piggy back on the Palestine issue this last week sending out a tape today justifying his organization because Palestine’s aren’t free, please the day Bush leaves office and Obama were to be elected Bin Laden would be laughing his ass off.
Posted by: sam | May 16, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
I can’t believe that there are still people that support the policies and practices of this failed Presidency. McCain would do well to distance himself from a President with the highest disapproval rating in modern history. And the biggest failing of this Presidency is the way in which it has and continues to divide and consequently weaken us as a nation. Bush is doing exactly what Abraham Lincoln said would destroy America.
Posted by: Kevin | May 16, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
I can’t believe that there are still people that support the policies and practices of this failed Presidency. McCain would do well to distance himself from a President with the highest disapproval rating in modern history. And the biggest failing of this Presidency is the way in which it has and continues to divide and consequently weaken us as a nation. Bush is doing exactly what Abraham Lincoln said would destroy America.
Posted by: Kevin | May 16, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
Demo Rules- Could you let us all know which countries you are talking about that, according to you – “Obama is a minority, and most all other Country’s in the World have minority Leaders’? I am waiting for this one. Do you mean that in the US they’d be a minority? Or that in the country in which they rule they are a minority?
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
It is utterly stupid to think that you should not talk to some party with which you have a problem and with which you must co-exist.
Posted by: DennisNC | May 16, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
David From Texas: that is why Hillary is the only one running that should run this Country!!! It’s to bad that the Media & Super Delegates doesn’t realize it… Hopefully Hillary will win the rest of the States and Hillary will win… That is the only hope we have that the super Delegates will do whats right!!!
Posted by: Larry | May 16, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
Kevin, history will judge whether President Bush is a “failure” or not.
Some facts:
No attacks on US soil since 9/11
Bush came into office at the onset of a mild recession than was hit with 9/11 and than Katrina. So all things considered the US economy has recovered pretty well and a lot of economists are now saying the US is NOT in a recession.
High oil prices are the fault of Democrat policies, not GOP. If we had drilled for oil in ANWAR and off our coasts, as President Bush had proposed back in the early days of his Presidency, the US would have plenty of oil now and gas prices would be a lot lower. FYI, it was the Democrats that opposed President Bush’s call finding more oil on our own soil. By the way, Cuba is drilling 60 miles off the coast of Florida, go figure.
The housing crisis is the fault of the Democrats, not the GOP. It was the Democrats who wanted the Banking industry to make loans more available to the lower income people, and they did. The result, more low income people got loans they could not afford to pay for. Also, a lot of speculators got into the market and drove up prices. Democrats, not the GOP are responsible for the housing crisis.
As to who is responsible for dividing and weakening our Nation, it falls directly at the feet of the far left Democrats. It is the far left Democrats who have compared President Bush to “Hitler” and have used the most hateful rhetoric imaginable against a sitting President. I have never heard President Bush ever compare any of his political opponents to Hitler, ever. On the contrary, President Bush has been very soft, I would say too soft, when dealing with his opponents. Truth is, I wish he had been more forceful in defending his policies and perhaps he would have been thought of more highly.
Posted by: Harry | May 16, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
David From Texas: that is why Hillary is the only one running that should run this Country!!! It’s to bad that the Media & Super Delegates doesn’t realize it… Hopefully Hillary will win the rest of the States and Hillary will win… That is the only hope we have that the Super Delegates will do whats right!!!
Posted by: Larry | May 16, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
Bush was referring to Jimmy Carter trying to schmooze Hamas. What’s with Obama? He seems to think it’s all about him. What an egotistical ass.
Posted by: The truth be told | May 16, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
If Obama would have just let the comment by Bush pass,it would have all passed over all our heads.Instead he made it into a battle and made himself look weak and foolish. As a school teacher and a parent, I have had to learn to pick my battles. Obama, apparently has not learned that lesson yet. I’m still old fashioned enough to
want a strong male presence in the oval office. That is why I am voting for Hillary. She is the only one who can do it.
Posted by: Polly | May 16, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
If Obama would have just let the comment by Bush pass,it would have all passed over all our heads.Instead he made it into a battle and made himself look weak and foolish. As a school teacher and a parent, I have had to learn to pick my battles. Obama, apparently has not learned that lesson yet. I’m still old fashioned enough to
want a strong male presence in the oval office. That is why I am voting for Hillary. She is the only one who can do it.
Posted by: Polly | May 16, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Polly, Thanks for making me smile @ your comment (I want a strong male presence) LOL
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
Just facts- Wait, sarcasm right? (hoping)
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
Obama hussein is not nominated yet.And he is not electable,but he is acting as if he was sombody important.He should step down now. The American people will not vote for him. He will never be president of the USA. Hillary will be the next president.
Posted by: Moe | May 16, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Obama could not fix South Side of Chicago with all its crime and gangs but he is going to fix the terrorist?
Some of you really have to be daft to believe that.
Posted by: SJ | May 16, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Jack: The only one that ever talked issues was Hillary… Obama talks and never answers the questions ashed to him… McCain can only talk about the war!!! They both are losers… I hope that the Hillary People leave it plank when they go vote for President…. that way they would know that the Hillary are to smart to vote for either one of them… Because Hillary is the only one that has enough People voting for a Candidate to make them win!!!
Posted by: Larry | May 16, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Jack: The only one that ever talked issues was Hillary… Obama talks and never answers the questions ashed to him… McCain can only talk about the war!!! They both are losers… I hope that the Hillary People leave it plank when they go vote for President…. that way they would know that the Hillary are to smart to vote for either one of them… Because Hillary is the only one that has enough People voting for a Candidate to make them win!!!
Posted by: Larry | May 16, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Phil: Obama doesn’t even know that you can’t talk with Hamas… Because they want to kill all Israels & Americans…
The only thing the Muslim understand is that if they have more to lose then they might stop fighting… the trouble is Hamas is to stupid to realize that!!!
Posted by: Larry | May 16, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
I can’t believe the racists and bigots on this website. You people need to grow up. It’s infantile.
Barack Obama is a man who will know how to talk to people, not give up strategic interests, and do the best for American Foreign Policy. He’s not like the idiots who led us into a war for no reason. Barack is not simply stoking DEFENSE and blind patriotism to win votes. He is a true patriot who will lead our country to better times. A patriot who thinks.
Posted by: R | May 16, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
Republicans seem more extreme by the minute. Had they not failed in every imaginable way over the last 8 years, they might have something to offer. Yet now they are stuck trying to defend the indefensible. Namely, how to defend policies of aggression after they have failed to multiply ‘strength’ or exact justice. America has been perverted by uninformed and out right bigoted people. Our country was founded upon a virtuous blend of liberal and conservative values. Being virtuous includes attempting to talk to our enemies. It is essential to imposing new conditions that might change our strained relationship with a rising power like Iran. Bush’s unreasonable policies have only made Iran more unreasonable. Let’s try being reasonable first and unreasonable if necessary. This will build new coalitions with worthy allies, and tilt the stagnant power dynamic in the Mid East towards reconciliation. It’s human to shoot first and ask later. But this is not a strategy. It is a regrettable mindset that fuels fear and fear breeds terror.
Posted by: thew | May 16, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
Don’t debate, don’t discuss, and don’t vote for Obama.
If you like Obama, you should read the communist book first, he is the real communist.
Posted by: Kevin P | May 16, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Mulatto, blue, green or black who cares the man is not electable he is a total waste. He could have web feet and bunny ears that is not the issue this man listening to him dose not convince me that he is capable of running this country far less dealing with the economic issue and whatever else is facing the world.
Posted by: SJ | May 16, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
DennisNC. I guess Hitler and the Soviet Union would have agreed with you. Why should the US be a tiger anyway? Let Hitler and the Soviet Union have their way with the world and we would all be speaking German or Russian now. Now there is a potentially greater threat on the world’s horizon, fanatic Islamists. So far the US has not had another attack since 9/11. So I guess the “tiger” tactics of the US are still in good working order. But, back to your point, why should the US be a “tiger” anyway? Guess the UN should be the one carrying the load, as the UN has such a good track record of protecting people against the fanatic Islamists. Just look at Africa.
What is really troubling is that people like DennisNC assume that the civilization we know as the US is strong as the rock of Gilbratra and does not need to be a “tiger” to survive. Just a brief perusal of history shows that civilization is a very tenuous state and very prone to being destroyed. A strong military might not be the only way to help preserve and protect the US, I just know that there is no known example in world history where appeasing our enemies has ever worked. Even Obama could not come up with one.
Posted by: Angie | May 16, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
Just facts – I saw that you played “gotcha” with at least one person on here LOL
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
Kevin please enlighten me as to why he is a communist.
Posted by: d | May 16, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
The man who said that ABC News is typical of the sly corporate media framing a story so as to cover the faults of Republicans and parse everything the Democrats have to say.
The press won’t put out anything negative much on McCain. Only very scant. Amd when they do they rush to make it better and make it go away.
Posted by: JL | May 16, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
taraexamin: The thing this Country including Obama, McCain & George Bush doesn’t understand… This Country did nothing to stop the killing of Jew in Europe… They sent back the ones that came to this Country to be killed in the death camps… The only reason we got involved was Pearl Harbor!!! Otherwise Hilter would have taken over all of Europe… Hitler could not control the Japanese… If they would have helped fight the war together… We probably be under either Germany are Japan… With this President we are being owned by china, Russia, The Muslim & Japan by the money we owe them!!!
Posted by: Larry | May 16, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
Bush does have diplomats, not to mention Condolezza, talking to some of these “extreme” leaders. The problem is, they refuse to meet any of our conditions so that any meaningful talks can take place.
Some bloggers here seem to think that there is a non-negotiable policy from the Republicans. The way I heard it today, Obama was describing the policy as it exists today.
Of course he did say previously that he would hold talk with NO conditions…then he sorta added to that because he realized, hey, that didn’t sound so good.
McCain seemed to come out the winner. This whole scenario today just made Obama appear weak, especially since Bush has made these exact same comments before.
Just a way for Obama to gain some TV coverage…making this all about him.
Posted by: memyselfandI | May 16, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
I guess if I say anything against Obama at all, some idiot will find a way to make it a race thing…but Kennedy’s meeting with Kruschov was not a good situation – as for Reagan, it had more to do with Pershing II missles and Missle defense than any real ‘talking’ which straightened out the Soviets.
War may not be the answer, but remembering Joe Kennedy and his buddy Neville Chamberlain touting ‘Peace at any Price’ doesn’t leave me with a great feeling either.
Posted by: Bill | May 16, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
Obama can sit and talk with these guys and when they start to bomb train station, or disco and hotels where the feel American stay oversea as they use to do in the past what then?
Is Obama then going to tell us he is sorry and he taught talking was the way to go, when they start to sneak back into the US going to school, mapping our towns and airports what will be do then, say sorry again.
When another incident like 9/11 happens what will he say oops sorry I thought they were listening to me, but guess they were not.
Posted by: SJ | May 16, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
True truth: it is a good job of the Media & Obama People to put just the part of the speech that makes the other Person look bad… They did that with Bill & Hillary Clinton & even McCain… CNN played the who thing McCain said and what McCain said was just the same as He says now… I do not like McCain… But I like Obama less!!! Because Obama is not only a Racist, Lier but has know ethics how to run a campaigne!!!
Posted by: Larry | May 16, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
I am sure Obama will be using his Dirty Politics experience somehow to steal the presidency…just like he did when he was elected to the IL and the US Senate. Those were some underhanded stunts!
Talk about being underhanded.
Just say NO Obama
Posted by: Sarah | May 16, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
Obama is a real scare to the people of America—wake up — who cares what he is saying and what dang race he is or isn’t- he has ties to Muslim and that should be plenty to stop him in his tracks especially from getting in the top office in AMERICA —hellooooo remember attacks on America from those “people”. Maybe we should stop being so “sensitive” to people we do not understand and let them Show us they are real Americans especially before we teach them to fly aircraft into our country and hit big ole buildings in New York and elsewhere!!!
Posted by: wafer 2008 | May 16, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
“White Male Veteran, sitting down with Ahmedinejad will provide Ahmedinejad with more status and make the US look weak in the eyes of the Islamic fanatics.”
You could say the same thing about Mao Tse-Dung and the millions who suffered terror under him. Nixon was right to talk. The US doesn’t get to pick foreign leaders. They’re leaders whether we like them or not. It’s not our business to try to determine what the populations of other nations want and what they don’t. Our business is the best interests of the United States..period..not the sentiments of foreign peoples. Yours is a naive and ignorant view of statesmanship. We need smarter people as statesmen.
“Making the US look weak to the Islamic terrorists will embolden them and thus make an attack against the US more likely.”
Nonsense. What will make an attack more likely is that we don’t enforce our laws, like on 9/11. If we police our nation properly, an attack is unlikely to succeed. What has emboldened terrorists, and strengthened Iran, is the ill conceived and disastrous invasion of a foreign sovereign nation.
“Think about it, you may disagree with Bush’s anti-terrorist policie, however, it is a fact that the US has not been attacked again since 9/11. So one would assume President Bush is doing something right.”
That’s a non sequitur. What we’re doing right has nothing to do with our relations with Iran or our disastrous Iraq invasion.
“By the way talking to our enemies when there is something tangible to negotiate is not what Obama is proposing. Obama’s idea of talking to our enemies WITHOUT PRECONDITION, is what is at issue.”
Obama said he would not rule out talking to our enemies. Ruling out policies as a precondition is foolish and naive statesmanship. Kinda like saying “read my lips, no new taxes.” A smart, professional leader of the United States should never box our nation into a corner by saying as a precondition “I will not talk to XYZ.” That’s political posturing. Pandering for votes, as it were.
Posted by: White Male Veteran | May 16, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Obama is a real scare to the people of America—wake up — who cares what he is saying and what dang race he is or isn’t- he has ties to Muslim and that should be plenty to stop him in his tracks especially from getting in the top office in AMERICA —hellooooo remember attacks on America from those “people”. Maybe we should stop being so “sensitive” to people we do not understand and let them Show us they are real Americans especially before we teach them to fly aircraft into our country and hit big ole buildings in New York and elsewhere!!!
Posted by: wafer 2008 | May 16, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
wut: Obama always says He never puts His foot in His Mouth… But He keeps on doing it!!! Not only does He feel superior to the White Workers… He Bad talks White Woman… He lies and does things that aren’t supose to be done to win… How anyone would want some one like that as President I’ll never understand…
Posted by: Larry | May 16, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
obama is a fraud. bitter small town americans cant relate to this eitist. even though the prez didn’t mention him by name he KNEW he was being called out because its ALL true. hes an appeaser to the Nth degree
Posted by: dean | May 16, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
i feel that a long time ago bush lost his mind —and MCcain is talking the same warmonger tactics.
they are ready to take war to iran and you are not hearing.
remember whose sons and daughters are being killed or maymed.
i am only very happy it was jfk and not one of these clowns in power at that time.you may not be here today
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Obama’s creator, David Axelrod, does bear a striking resemblance to Hitler, and ideologically speaking, Axelrod and Hitler are perfectly matched. That must be why he chose Obama as his protégée. With Obama’s anti-Israeli ties to the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas, His anti-Israeli pals Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) member, Rashid Khalidi, Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, and domestic Weathermen terrorists and pals Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, Axelrod definitely hand-picked Obama in his own ideological image.
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Thew what “unreasonable policies” is the US responsible for? You do not name any. FYI Iran is actively involved in killing US troops in Iraq. Iran is funding terrorism throughout the world. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel. Iran calls the US “the great Satan”. Iran is the one who very clearly has “unreasonable policies” towards just about everybody including their own people where it is illegal to be a gay person and the penalty is hanging. By the way people have been hanged in Iran for being gay. So again, is it Iran who has “unreasonable policies” or the US?
Sitting down and talking to Iran without preconditions, as Obama proposes, will make things worse, not better. If you do not believe me, look what happened to Jimmy Carter during the hostage crisis for 444 days from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981. Jimmy Carter tried talking to Iran without preconditions, just like Obama wants to do. Jimmy Carter tried to use reason, just like Obama wants to do. Jimmy Carter failed and it was only when Reagan became President did Iran suddenly see the light and release the US hostages. By the way I would not call Reagan’s idea of a strong military and a policy of NOT holding talks with our enemies without preconditions is what Obama is all about, just the opposite.
Posted by: Sally | May 16, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
The misinformed and uninformed are embarrassing themselves. Please do some research before spreading more misinformation. Obama is not a Muslim. Obama is not a communist. He has not given away the Sudetanland to Hitler. There seems to be an irrational fear of this man… hmmm, maybe it’s time to look in the mirror and ask why? Change is painful. To me Barack is a break from the past. He represents the melting pot that is one of America’s great strengths: A white mother, an immigrant African father, Harvard educated and he didn’t have anything handed to him on a plate. Compare this to Bush who has always been in the privileged class. I think we should be ashamed that in 232 years we have not had allowed a minority to get close to the highest office. Having a serious minority contender for president is part of the healing… and some are fighting it every step of the way! Reminds me of the ugly protesters harrassing the black school children trying to enter the public schools during the civil rights era.
BTW… John McCain is a war hero, but he is also a member of the privileged class, i.e. the multi-millions his wife has made from her brewery and the money McCain has taken from the liquor industry:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/09/alcohol_industry_ties_may_test_mccain/
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
It’s a good thing we found out about Obama before it was too late! and Hillary didn’t dropp out! Now we still have Hillary to vote for! At least we know a lot more about her than him. I regret ever voting for him now! Hang in there Hillary youre our last hope against Obama and McCain
Posted by: Caleb | May 16, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Obama is a real scare to the people of America—wake up — who cares what he is saying and what dang race he is or isn’t- he has ties to Muslim and that should be plenty to stop him in his tracks especially from getting in the top office in AMERICA —hellooooo remember attacks on America from those “people”. Maybe we should stop being so “sensitive” to people we do not understand and let them Show us they are real Americans especially before we teach them to fly aircraft into our country and hit big ole buildings in New York and elsewhere!!!
Posted by: wafer 2008 | May 16, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Obama is a real scare to the people of America—wake up — who cares what he is saying and what dang race he is or isn’t- he has ties to Muslim and that should be plenty to stop him in his tracks especially from getting in the top office in AMERICA —hellooooo remember attacks on America from those “people”. Maybe we should stop being so “sensitive” to people we do not understand and let them Show us they are real Americans especially before we teach them to fly aircraft into our country and hit big ole buildings in New York and elsewhere!!!
Posted by: wafer 2008 | May 16, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
ARSailorM – “last I looked, there is no such thing as “looking like” an American. We’re sort of a melting pot, very few have real clear blood lines.”
ABC, that is one of the most offensive things that I have ever read. Please take down that racist and extremely divisive and horrible post. You are much better than that.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
to sally and her idea of change—–I’d rather embrace a rattlesnake in a telephone booth than let a Muslim become President of this country!!!!
Posted by: wafer 2008 | May 16, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
to sally and her idea of change—–I’d rather embrace a rattlesnake in a telephone booth than let a Muslim become President of this country!!!!
Posted by: wafer 2008 | May 16, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Size16feet:
Perhaps YOU should do some research…
That Obama naiveté to meet with Middle East leaders without preconditions is merely subterfuge for terrorist sympathy. Obama’s documented ties to Hamas and the anti-American Weathermen is testament to his true loyalty- and it’s not to America or Israel.
Furthermore, his carefully scripted speeches will never alter the sentiments of leaders in Iran, Syria, Cuba, or North Korea. They will, however, be used as propaganda by these foreign leaders, and may serve to further strengthen Iran’s resolve to destroy Israel and her allies.
Obama’s association with terrorists is nothing new. Obama has been personal friends and dinner buddies with Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) member, Rashid Khalidi for many years. Their attendance at various events together included anti-Israeli sentiments expressed by both speakers and participants. Khalidi was the director of the PLO press agency in Beirut and served on the PLO guidance committee before becoming a Middle East professor at the University of Chicago. The PLO is a terrorist organization bent on destroying Israel and engaging in anti-American attacks since the late 1960’s.
Khaldi has hosted political fundraisers for Obama, and while serving as director of the Woods Fund with his other buddy, the Weatherman terrorist Bill Ayers, Obama helped Khalidi secure $40,000 in 2001 and 35,000 in 2002 to fund the anti-Israel oriented Arab American Action Network which Khalidi co-founded.
Since the presidential race commenced, Obama has distanced himself from his longtime friend, Khalidi. When interviewd by the LA Times, Khalidi indicated that Obama’s recent support of Israel rather than Palestine is the result of his bid for the presidency. Sound familiar? Rev. Wright said the same thing about Obama- that he distances himself from his mentors and friends for political expediency.
Like Ayers and Farrakhan, Khalidi also lives in Obama’s Chicago neighborhood. Birds of a feather…
Links:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obamamideast10apr10,0,2195251.story
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=57231
Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement) wants the big O to be president. The charter of Hamas is to destroy Israel, and thus, it’s responsible for multiple bombings and terrorist attacks. Hamas is banned by virtually every nation in the free world, but they love Obama.
Obama’s Middle East policy advisor, Robert Malley, has been meeting with and negotiating with Hamas for decades. Always conscious of his voter appeal, Obama just sacked Malley from the campaign because the media found out about his meetings with Hamas.
Even Rev. Wright loves Hamas. Last July 22nd, Rev. Wright’s church (TUCC) published a Hamas terror manifesto in the church’s weekly bulletin. In fact, Wright compared the Hamas manifesto (originally entitled: Hamas Stand), to our U.S. Declaration of Independence.
Not to be outdone, Michelle Obama loves Hamas even more. The Obama campaign removed a page from it’s official website that was managed by a Hamas fundraiser, Hatem El-Hady. The page listed Michelle as a friend to the terrorist fundraising efforts.
The media, the DNC, and the “latte” left should just be so proud of their choice for presidential nominee, but even if they aren’t, what really matters is that Michelle is proud.
Links:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3897414.ece www.savagepolitics.com www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageld=62653
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
That burning question that seems unanswered of Obama and this Muslim connection should be of great concern to all American but it seems some overlook that or are afraid of finding out what is really the facts with that.
That alone should raise and eyebrow how in heavens name can anyone with a Muslim name be POTUS, that will make us look like total idiots in the eyes of the outside world and the Islamic world, can anyone say there will not be some backlash to that no, we just don’t know.
Yet some are willing to avoid that question or even think about it, there are too many questions about that and no one has the answers and if they do they sure as hell not saying, sorry but I cant vote for anyone with even a inch of some sort of Muslim connection, call it what ever you want but I want to part of that, not after all that Americans had to go through because of them. NO Obama NO
Posted by: SJ | May 16, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Obama is anti Israel and anti America, and any one that loves Jesus.
Posted by: NEXT | May 16, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Those you spreading lies about Obama have been manipulated by those who started the lies… don’t you see that? You are the dumb little pawns that the power brokers are using to try to keep the status quo. TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY AND FIND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. OBAMA INSTEAD OF STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND!!!. Again, (one more time) he is not a Muslim, he is not a communist, he does not have any ties to terrorists and he is not the bogey mind hiding under your bed at night.
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
caleb
hillwillary is done—perhaps huckabee is sugesting something.
you must remember how to make a republican..
just hit them on head when children
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
2,500 words in bush speech to knesset.
covering things of real importance to the free world.
but abc news and the rest of the sms, who is ashamedly pro obama, makes 82 of the words the issue.
and since pelosi kucinich hillary and carter have had chats with terrorists, why does obama and the msm think its about him?
the american media has become a disgrace, and i dont think will let up until this is a marxist or dhimmi country.
Posted by: Scott Leisman | May 16, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Those of you spreading lies about Obama have been manipulated by those who started the lies… don’t you see that? You are the dumb little pawns that the power brokers are using to try to keep the status quo. TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY AND FIND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT MR. OBAMA INSTEAD OF STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND!!! Again (one more time), he is not a Muslim, he is not a communist, he does not have any ties to terrorists and he is not the bogey man hiding under your bed at night.
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
P.S. And I should add, the same dumb little pawns that have believed lies like Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Oy vey… read the 9/11 report, after all your taxes paid for it!
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
I would be interested in hearing from some Jewish voters and what their thoughts are on Obama and his possible presidency.
Posted by: Randy | May 16, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
Younger people are fleeing the GOP in droves – most of the die-hard Republicans are an older demographic that is cycling out.
The Republicans squandered a great opportunity.
What is John McCain going to do that is any different than the Bush Administration? The “Straight Talk Express” is just the same old “Train to Nowhere”, lots of talk while our country pays the price.
In fact the word “liberal” is beginning to sound kind of nice lately.
Posted by: Peter Jensen | May 16, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
dem -”i can’t believe people are afraid of putting a black president in office. are you guys scared that he will make you guys pay for what you did in the past. don’t worry none of that will happen”
No more than I think that you will pay for what you did to us, in the past, like before any of the “others” of any color were here. You guys have a far higher debt. Deadbeats, one and all.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Brutal occupation is the worst form of terrorism which has been imposed on Palestinians for over 40 years now by Zionists. Israel and her lobby was one of the big supporters of Iraq war. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and never posed any danger to us.
No more wars for Israel. no more fighting and dying for Israel. End it now.
Posted by: Jeff | May 16, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
Size16feet:
You have obviously been brainwashed. If you actually read legitimate articles and other materials from credible sources, you would clearly know that Obama DOES have ties with both foreign and domestic terrorists, his paternal family IS Muslim, and he studied Marxism extensively on both the undergraduate and graduate levels. He has also espoused and lauded Marxist ideology in his own books.
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
Gee an argument with dumb and dumber.
Posted by: J | May 16, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
How easily people are manipulated – everyone seems to forget the McCain himself disagreed strongly with Bush and said that conversation with Hamas had to occur to bring peace to Palestine. McCain is trying to morph into McBush now, so much for his so called maverick behavior.
People forget that Bush worked with Khadafi, offered to bring him into political acceptance if he would give up his nuclear weapons. Don’t forget the ongoing trade deals and negotiations with North Korea.
This is all just an attempt to get voters to take a negative knee jerk reaction.
How long will we put up with this kind of politics. Comments that if our guy does it, then its fine, but if the other guy does exact same thing then , well of course it’s evil.
Voters should feel insulted that politicians think they are so stupid ad to not see thru this…
Posted by: vmcgreen | May 16, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Obama is an embarassment to the democratic party. Dean and Pelosi must be run out of town for ever letting us get into such a mess.
Posted by: Jeff | May 16, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
How does Peter purport to know who is leaving the GOP and that they are just a bunch of old people? What an ignorant comment.
I am a 30-something :-) woman and I will be voting for McCain. I am an independent. For me, voting in the presidential election is not just about partisan politics.
From my point of view, liberal is becoming scary if it means Obama will be in charge. It is not that McCain is in any way a “warmonger” or practicing any scare tactics. He is telling the truth and is a realist.
The only scare tactics are the ones being played by the Dems with this WEAK, INEXPERIENCED, and NAIVE person that the ultra left liberals seem to believe is the Messiah.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 16, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
emily
you are wacked out of your head or just an old white woman afraid of a slightly colored man. my mother used to scare me with the boogy man 70 years ago.we have come a long way since then
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
WTF is wrong with the national media. Theyve thrown mud at Hillary early on and now theyre completely ignoring here, choosing instead to cover Obama. Well here’s the truth that hurts BO supporters, you think the national media is doing you a favor? Its not. Its only making Hillary democrats cross-over to the other side. Maybe the national media is pro-Republican, after all.
Posted by: cb | May 16, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Iran has not invaded any country in over 200 years. on the Other hand Israel has invaded other countries without any provcation few times in the past, Such as recent attack on Syria. With that in mind my ,Mrs. clinton what would you do if Israel attacks Iran first?
I know, Iknow, Irael has the right to defend herself and attack any country she likes.
No more wars for Israel. No more fighting and dying for Israel. End it now.
Posted by: Jeff | May 16, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
Emily,
I guess I have to explain some self-evident common sense things to you:
1.) Whatever religion any of your ancestors were does not indicate your own religion. If it did, we would all be pagans.. including you.
2.) Studying a religion or philosophy does not indicate you espouse those views. It’s called “intellectual curiousity”.
3.) He is not a member of the Communist party. That’s a generally accepted definition of “Communist”.
BTW, we are not a pure Capitalistic society. One of the principles of Marxism is to prevent inheritance of wealth and we do a pretty good job of dampening that with our tax laws.
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Yeah Emily…you heard Rodney…you are a wacked out old white woman…
Hmmm…I wonder what Rodney is…a pathetic excuse for a human being?
Why do I believe 16 feet and Rodney as being the same person…maybe because the both of them say stupid things?
Posted by: Mark in LA | May 16, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Emily says…..
his paternal family IS Muslim,
What is wrong with that, you racist. You make me sick.
Posted by: jj | May 16, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
P.S. And if I’ve been “brainwashed”, it’s only in the sense that I’ve spent years cleansing my mind of all the crap I learned in public school in the U.S. The textbooks are rife with misinformation and omission. For example, St. Augustine is the first permanent European settlement in the U.S., not Plymouth Colony.
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
Obama wants change. McCain knows the military and says he wants out of Iraq soon. Where did Hillary go?
Posted by: Suzannaquanashawn | May 16, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
rodney: Get a life and do some homework on your Messiah. In the meantime, you have no idea what my gender is (Emily is my Airedale), or how old I am. What you are, however, is clear- an uninformed, ageist, misogynist.
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
Does any one here not believe that Iraqis have been over terrorized By our operation “Iraqi freedom”?
So far we have freed over one million Iraqis,from life that is.
Posted by: Jeff | May 16, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
Jeff: Obama is an embarassment to the democratic party. Dean and Pelosi must be run out of town for ever letting us get into such a mess.
_______
Because of this mess and the bad treatment of Hillary. My vote in the general election will be a protest vote against Dean, Pelosi and all the DNC party. And, I am a mad black woman.
Posted by: cmyvote2008 | May 16, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Mr jensen: If you think you do not have all the rights afforded to “us” by now then what in the heck do you want now!!! We have apolozied for all of your annestors suffering so why not join us now and try to get ahead in this wild world and let the so old past GOOOOOO away!!! W e need leaders for now- not what happened 200 years ago and I doubt you personally were even there, once again you are only going by what you have heard—it was not all that terrible or nary a black person would have stayed here!!! Lets look to a brighter future and look past the pain it took ALL of us to become AMERICANS!!!
Posted by: wafer 2008 | May 16, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Mr jensen: If you think you do not have all the rights afforded to “us” by now then what in the heck do you want now!!! We have apolozied for all of your annestors suffering so why not join us now and try to get ahead in this wild world and let the so old past GOOOOOO away!!! W e need leaders for now- not what happened 200 years ago and I doubt you personally were even there, once again you are only going by what you have heard—it was not all that terrible or nary a black person would have stayed here!!! Lets look to a brighter future and look past the pain it took ALL of us to become AMERICANS!!!
Posted by: wafer 2008 | May 16, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
hey size 16
here comes the republicans
it is very easy to draw them out
they are not to swift like hero george little bush
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
White male veteran:
(1) There is no parallel with Nixon’s going to China and Obama’s idea of talking without preconditions with Iran. When Richard Nixon met Chinese leaders, both the US and the Chinese were already committed to renewing relations as a hedge against Soviet power. In Iran, there is still an internal power struggle over whether to engage fully with the US “the Great Satan”.
(2) “Enforcing our laws” sounds like Clinton’s failed policy of using police actions against the Islamic terrorists which led up to 9/11. Also, the world would be a much less safer place with both Saddam and Ahmadinajad in power now as both Nations would be funding terrorists and building nukes. Documents secured from Saddam now show that Saddam had every intention of restarting his WMD program as he did not fear that US would invade him.
(3) The fact the US has not been attacked since 9/11 is a fact not a “non sequitur”. The reality is, stopping another 9/11 attack is what we expect our Presidents will do. If you do not think Iran is capable of attacking the US if they think the US as weak and won’t fight back, think again.
(4) Why not acknowledge the historical truth of appeasement’s failures instead of making some nonsensical argument in favor of appeasement?
Posted by: Harry | May 16, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
It’s very odd that some people say that Obama is an “elitist” or “snob”, yet he has the least wealth of GWB, Hillary or McCain. His background is in grass roots community organization. It’s sad how lower class whites are being manipulated into believing Obama is different fundamentally different from them, when his background is more like theirs than any of the other three politicians named above!
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
For the women who say if Hillary isn’t on the ticket or if she’s not the nominee you won’t vote or would vote for McSame, you make me sick! You call yourselves progressive women and you just set us back a 100 years with your wining and complaining and upheaval for not getting you own way. I’m actually embarrassed of you! Yes, I’m a woman and i’m soooo proud of Hillary and because of her, my 12 year old daughter and i’m certain millions of women and girls in this country and around the world are inspired by her – i know for darn sure i am! Weather or not she becomes the nominee or president isn’t as important to me as the strength and perseverance she has shown and that alone it one of the greatest achievements for us women thus far, and Hillary is our shining example no matter how this election ends. Hillary doesn’t have to be the next president of the United States for me to feel this surmountable level of pride and inspiration by her. And this being said, being a woman doesn’t mean I HAVE to vote for a women, i believe we’ve passed that phase and we CAN actually vote for whomever we choose regardless of gender or color or age. THAT’S what the women movement is all about! We shouldn’t have to feel like hypocrites or feel guilty because we have an independent mind of our own. Secondly, why are we being brain-dead robots to the point that if a ‘woman’ isn’t put to top regardless of the unfairness of how she got there we’re gonna revolt and boycott and bash other organizations or women or people for having their own independent choice? Shame on you all! Are you women trying to say that as a woman we need “special” treatment than men in a presidential campaign or it’s not “fair”. Ot that the country should just give it to a woman because it’s long overdue? NO, us women can roll with the big boys and get our butts kicked and we can kick butt in return and we can win or lose fair and square because running for president goes far beyond race or gender or age it’s about THAT individual person at the end of the day. So please women, stop setting us back with the wining and complaining and boycotting of this election process because Hillary can more than handle this battle whether she becomes president or not! I’m voting for Obama because it’s MY CHOICE. And if he doesn’t win the nomination, I’m STILL voting democrat and voting for Hillary – not McCain!
Posted by: rant3000 | May 16, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
DemoRules – Then, how about giving the rulership of this country back to the minority who has owned it since long before any others of any ilk found it and conquered it, by killing entire Nations? Makes sense to me.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
How is that the media focuses on one aspect of this “war” on terror? How is it that the minute Bush mentions terrorists, Osama produces a video claiming to still be after American’s? Is it possible that Bush and his pal Osama have a mental link that let’s him know when the American people are tired of his BS, his pal Osama comes out of hiding long enough to produce a video to scare the American people? Who can the American people sue to have the oil prices reduced?
Posted by: ??? | May 16, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
size16feet:
Obama DID espouse Marxist views in his books.
His father, brother, and grandparents were, and are Muslims. They are hardly distant ancestors.
As for the racist aspersions cast by the idiot Obama supporters such as jj: Obama, his surrogates, and his supporters have demonstrated the most obvious racism. It’s classic projection to transfer their hateful attitudes onto everyone else, and a convenient mechanism used to coerce, justify, and intimidate. You are the racists!
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
emily
you are like so many i have met.
you went to school learned a few fancy words
but do not have the sense of a jackass
stick to your warmonger republicans.
hope you have a few children to sacrifice
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Size 16- Not to nitpick, but what school or textbook ever suggested that Plymouth colony was the first colony? I was in school in the 1950′s and I wasn’t taught that. Anyway, education is a continuous process, with “facts” changing frequently. For example -”Traditional history tells us that European settlers discovered America about the time of the Renaissance. But revolutionary new archaeological data and the latest DNA research reveal that Europeans visited our shores far earlier – some 17,000 years before Columbus was even born.
Filmed in glorious high definition, this two-hour, epic drama follows an intrepid family of stone age hunters as they trek from their homeland in southwestern France, cross 3,000 miles of ocean and eventually make their first permanent settlement in what is today the northeastern U.S.” From -Ice Age Columbus: Who Were the First Americans? DVD
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Somebody might want to remind the idiot that Bush isn’t running.
That fool. He parades around disrespecting the Flag, Anthem and Pledge all the while he IS friends with terrorists. He knows this is coming. You do NOT get to be POTUS without putting the nations security first and foremost.
Obama’s father – a muslim.
Obama’s step-father – wahibi muslim. The terrorist kind.
Obama’s paster – hates America
Obama’s wife – hates America
Obama – hates working whites
Barack Hussein Obama dresses in terrorist clothing.
Utter filth.
Posted by: 10 Ring | May 16, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
RIGHT WING ! LIARS, THIEVES AND CHEATS!
LIKE “ONLY THE ENEMIES OF AMERICA” ARE CAPABLE OF AND HAVE AN “EXCLUSIVE” ON “TERRORISM, BULLYISM, SLAVERY, GENOCIDE AND HATEMONGERING” ! GOP TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR – I AM HERE, AM I NOT, AND THERE ARE MILLIONS OF “INVISABLE NATIVE AMERICANS” IN THIS LAND, THE HOMELAND OF OUR FOREFATHERS FOR THOUSANDS OF GENERATIONS. DO NOT CHANGE – CONTINUE THE KILLING, AND BE KILLED – THE MENTALITY OF “THE CIVILIZED ONES” CHANGES ARE COMMING, IT WILL HAPPEN – ASK THE EGYPTIANS, THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS. Sincerely, Lake Hart, a Native American Writer.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 16, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
jeff your about the weakest thing sense zima. your comment on operation iraqi freedom is so ignorant it doesn’t even rate a real response.
Posted by: john | May 16, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
jeff your about the weakest thing since zima. your comment on operation iraqi freedom is so ignorant it doesn’t even rate a real response.
Posted by: john | May 16, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Emily,
Now you’re trying to make a distinction between distant and recent ancestors. This is not Europe: Our parents, cousins, aunts, uncles and third cousins twice removed do not define us. Give Barack the same fair shake. He is his own man and not a Muslim… “not that there’s anything wrong with that” (apologies to Seinfeld).
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Emily I don’t have a hateful attitude at all. But people like you do make me sick because you are the racist here. What is wrong with someone being muslim. And fyi I am a democrate the will support whoever the nominee is.
Posted by: jj | May 16, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
rodney: You are hardly worth the energy to argue with, except to say that you’re wrong again; I’m a lifelong Democrat.
It’s people like you, and other nasty Obama supporters, that will push moderate and conservative Democrats to vote for McCain.
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
This message is to the “reporters” directly at ABC.
The American public has the right to know whether Obama meet privately with Imam Hassan Qazwini in a one on one meeting last week? If so, what were the discussions?
As most people should be made aware, Qazwini is an extreme radical with intimate ties to Iran and Hezbollah and frankly it stikes one as odd that Obama shows such deference to someone of his nature.
Perhaps this clarifies the strange behavior of Obama in reference to President’s Bush rather innocuous statements to the Israelis on their anniversary.
Posted by: LogicalUS | May 16, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
R – “He is a true patriot who will lead our country to better times. A patriot who thinks.”
No, sir, he is not. I have flesh-and-blood boots on the ground who will die under him. Unless you can point me, link, verse, and words, to how he has repulsed his interview where he has said that he will kill them even after his top military advisors tell him that his military strategy is FATAL. Oh, my bad. It is only my sons who will die. His daughters will still go to summer camp and dance lessons at $22K each, per year… Michelle told me how hard that is for her.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
This message is to the “reporters” directly at ABC.
The American public has the right to know whether Obama meet privately with Imam Hassan Qazwini in a one on one meeting last week? If so, what were the discussions?
As most people should be made aware, Qazwini is an extreme radical with intimate ties to Iran and Hezbollah and frankly it stikes one as odd that Obama shows such deference to someone of his nature.
Perhaps this clarifies the strange behavior of Obama in reference to President’s Bush rather innocuous statements to the Israelis on their anniversary.
Posted by: LogicalUS | May 16, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
Phil,
You asked, ” Not to nitpick, but what school or textbook ever suggested that Plymouth colony was the first colony? ”
PLEASE… give me something challenging? You can’t seriously believe it would be difficult to find a school text book that says that Plymouth or Jamestown was the first European settlement in America. There has long been a white, European bias in U.S. text books. This is not a controversial or esoteric viewpoint and is easily supported by facts. There was a best selling book a few years ago that enumerated many of the falsehoods commonly printed in public school texts in the U.S.
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
White Americans are in a bind, aren’t they?
Their racism gives them no choice: They will elect McCain, a sanctimonious war criminal who has no idea of anything to be the one to pull them by their noses into wars they can’t afford.
Thanks to the stupidity of uneducated whites, the US is racing to third world status much faster than anyone could have predicted.
Posted by: Oskarum | May 16, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Oh Barry, sweetie, you’re just doing that “silly season” politics that you always talk about.
Posted by: Carol | May 16, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
jj and size16feet;
I NEVER said there was anything wrong with being Muslim. So, IT IS YOU WHO IS RACIST or illiterate if you can’t read. I simply pointed out Obama’s heritage to the uninformed 16 feet. What I did say, if you even read my prior posts, is that Obama has direct and documented ties with both foreign and domestic terrorists. It is his associations and bad judgment to which I opposed, not his heritage.
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
size 16
since we were here to see a lot of our history we do not need to rely on some far left wing idiots that got there information who knows where. they seem to make it up as they go along.
reminds me of the guy in bar mooching a drink fron person next to him while telling him how to make a million dollars—-amusing
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
apparently mcbush doesnt know history nor the definition of appeasement. all great presidents have talked to adversaries….fdr, kennedy, reagan.
mcbush should brush up on his ww2 history…especially around the time that hitler decided to fight a 2 front war
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Oh, come on Archie’s. Why are we giving McStain and Dubya all this much Credit? Is the best that the Republicans do is the Manchurian Candidate and the worst businesman in the history of baseball and oil? Do we want the change from the stimulus package that raised gas prices, or was it the lowering of interest rates that raised gas prices or was it forgiving people who didn’t read their mortgage papers but got a pass that raised gas prices, but wait it was the unpresidented action allowing a special loan to buy a bank and prevent a depression that was created by attacking a country that was going to pay for it in gas. People of America…Letterman just called…”Please elect John McStain, I want to keep my bit of Great Moments in Presidential Speeches for 4 more years”. The last 8 years, Bunkers, will go down as the second worst to the depression. So why wouldn’t any intellegent voter vote for Obama, oh yeah, according to most polls…they are.
Posted by: Meathead | May 16, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
John
So tell us all, Which part of my post was not the truth?
typical Neo-con/Zionist. When unable to respond , resort to personal attack.
Posted by: Jeff | May 16, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Lake Hart – A Native American Writer,
I apologize. Hope that makes you feel better. But if you think your life would be better if the US came to an end, I ask you, what civilization would replace the US? Islamic? Communist? Pre Columbian Native American? Just think the grass on the other side of the fence may not be as green as you think.
Posted by: Peace | May 16, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Emily, I’m glad Obama is winning so we Republicans can get your vote. Yes, we need more war mongers like you on our side and higher gas prices so our rich Republican friends can speed along in their Hummers. You’ll love joining us Republicans as we foreclose on all those low class Democrats properties and starve their entitlements friends to death. That way there will be more for the rest of us Republicans. Oh, by the way do you have a child who would be interested in fighting in Iran for our cause? We would love to have him/her die for our pocketbooks.
Posted by: mary | May 16, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Ok Obama, you did it! You wanted to pick a fight with the GOP, and now you have suceeded. I don’t in any way, think that Bush was referring to you in his speech, Jimmy Carter maybe, but not you. Now, you did NOT want to debate Hillary in North Carolina ( you were afraid), but you challenge McCain to a debate, as if you are already the Democratic nominee? Man, you really do want to be punished! Lets see, you are a “newbie”, never spent time in ANY armed service branch, but you want to take on a vetern that was a POW for 5 years and debate him on foreign policy? You’ve got to be kidding me! McCain will thrash you all over the place…you will be toast. In all of the previous 22 debates, here was your line: “…uhh….ummmm…uh…ummm…uhhh…I completely agree with Mrs. Clinton”. Man, the GOP was waiting for this moment….go ahead, keep stirring up this mess, remember, you opened this can of worms, now you are a little leaguer in the game with a Major leaguer. I’m going to enjoy watching your demise! LOL
Posted by: ApeasingObama | May 16, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Size 16- I was just wondering in what era you went to school. I have NO problem believing that modern textbooks are severely re-written in order to be politically correct. You say that there has long been a “white, European bias” in text books. Is that why we see so much emphasis nowadays on ANY achievment that was done by a minority? Much of history (good or bad) “is what is is”. If the people that are writing things down are “white, European roots” then of course they will use their frame of reference. Does it matter who’s reference point we use as long as the fact is the fact? The fact is that as pertains to technological achievments, those achievments were, by and large, achieved by peoples from the temperate zone. Of those peoples in the temperate zone, the majority of technological advancements came from white people of european backgrounds. Why can’t we say that?
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Latest Gallup poll: McCain leads Obama, Clinton leads McCain. Oh, what a mess the dems have themselves in. You should be so proud of Pelosi and Dean – what leaders!
Posted by: GregH | May 16, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
obama is no muslim!
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
You people are so enthralled with Obama that you willingly overlook the blatant hypocrisy of his entire campaign. This guy cries foul every time someone makes a factual statement or valid criticism of his vaporous campaign. McCain never suggested that Obama backed Hamas he just wondered allowed why Hamas, Putin, Chavez, Ahmadinejad, and Kim Jong Il are so supportive of his campaign. This isn’t fear mongering its a valid question to raise about a freshman senator with no foreign policy experience. Obama’s tactics today were so transparent I’m sure even a few of you more perceptive liberals could have picked up on them. He made a point to say the names, McCain and Bush over and over in a poorly veiled attempt to link the two together. the ironic thing is that as a freshman senator with no foreign policy experience it is Obama rather than John McCain who has more in common with this unpopular president of ours. Perhaps you liberals should get out more and get a little more world perspective before you start expounding on the faults of a man like John McCain who’s life has been one of humble honorable service.
Posted by: erik | May 16, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
emily
how about you informing the cia about these terrorists..be sure to give them your full name and address
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Emily,
Now your equivocating and back pedaling: You wrote, “… I cant vote for anyone with even a inch of some sort of Muslim connection.” You have been insinuating that the religion of Obama’s relative somehow taints him. To me that is contrary to the spirit of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. If you want to define yourself by blood lines then go for it… just don’t hang such a stale, nearsighted way to judge someone on others who are more enlightened and then dance around the subject and say “Gee, innocent little me was only pointing out his ancestors were Muslim”. It’s a code word for HE’S NOT ONE OF US, i.e. he’s not white enough, he’s not Christian enough. Yawn.
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
obama will not debate hillary
i saw all 22 debates
where the hell was everybody?
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Mary…come on…if you are addressing someone directly, come up with something original. I saw the exact same post earlier…word for word.
Posted by: kim | May 16, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
mary: Happy to oblige. People just like you and your Messiah are the reason many of us will vote in force for McCain.
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
if i were a republican i would lie and claim obama was a muslim too. republicans are about to get spanked in november
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Jeff – “Obama is an embarassment to the democratic party. Dean and Pelosi must be run out of town for ever letting us get into such a mess.”
Extremely well said. As a lifelong, typical old red woman, I highly agree.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
Hmmmmm emily says he is A MAN???????????????????????
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Mike said:
if i were a republican i would lie and claim obama was a muslim too. republicans are about to get spanked in november
Now Mike, do you honestly feel that little NOBama is going to beat a veteran war hero in November? Especially since he is racist, has lied over and over again, is just now being vetted, and has a wife that hates America? C’mon, buddy……be real here! I have a few extra McCain bumper stickers if ya want a couple!
Posted by: ApeasingObama | May 16, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
if i were mike i would lie and claim that i wasn’t a scared liberal hiding behind the coattails of better men like john McCain who are willing to fight for this nation.
Posted by: erik | May 16, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
size16feet:
It’s too bad your brain isn’t as big as your feet, because I never wrote anything like what you posted. YOU ARE A LIAR JUST LIKE YOUR MESSIAH.
These are my exact posts:
Size16feet:
Perhaps YOU should do some research…
That Obama naiveté to meet with Middle East leaders without preconditions is merely subterfuge for terrorist sympathy. Obama’s documented ties to Hamas and the anti-American Weathermen is testament to his true loyalty- and it’s not to America or Israel.
Furthermore, his carefully scripted speeches will never alter the sentiments of leaders in Iran, Syria, Cuba, or North Korea. They will, however, be used as propaganda by these foreign leaders, and may serve to further strengthen Iran’s resolve to destroy Israel and her allies.
Obama’s association with terrorists is nothing new. Obama has been personal friends and dinner buddies with Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) member, Rashid Khalidi for many years. Their attendance at various events together included anti-Israeli sentiments expressed by both speakers and participants. Khalidi was the director of the PLO press agency in Beirut and served on the PLO guidance committee before becoming a Middle East professor at the University of Chicago. The PLO is a terrorist organization bent on destroying Israel and engaging in anti-American attacks since the late 1960’s.
Khaldi has hosted political fundraisers for Obama, and while serving as director of the Woods Fund with his other buddy, the Weatherman terrorist Bill Ayers, Obama helped Khalidi secure $40,000 in 2001 and 35,000 in 2002 to fund the anti-Israel oriented Arab American Action Network which Khalidi co-founded.
Since the presidential race commenced, Obama has distanced himself from his longtime friend, Khalidi. When interviewd by the LA Times, Khalidi indicated that Obama’s recent support of Israel rather than Palestine is the result of his bid for the presidency. Sound familiar? Rev. Wright said the same thing about Obama- that he distances himself from his mentors and friends for political expediency.
Like Ayers and Farrakhan, Khalidi also lives in Obama’s Chicago neighborhood. Birds of a feather…
Links:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obamamideast10apr10,0,2195251.story
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=57231
Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement) wants the big O to be president. The charter of Hamas is to destroy Israel, and thus, it’s responsible for multiple bombings and terrorist attacks. Hamas is banned by virtually every nation in the free world, but they love Obama.
Obama’s Middle East policy advisor, Robert Malley, has been meeting with and negotiating with Hamas for decades. Always conscious of his voter appeal, Obama just sacked Malley from the campaign because the media found out about his meetings with Hamas.
Even Rev. Wright loves Hamas. Last July 22nd, Rev. Wright’s church (TUCC) published a Hamas terror manifesto in the church’s weekly bulletin. In fact, Wright compared the Hamas manifesto (originally entitled: Hamas Stand), to our U.S. Declaration of Independence.
Not to be outdone, Michelle Obama loves Hamas even more. The Obama campaign removed a page from it’s official website that was managed by a Hamas fundraiser, Hatem El-Hady. The page listed Michelle as a friend to the terrorist fundraising efforts.
The media, the DNC, and the “latte” left should just be so proud of their choice for presidential nominee, but even if they aren’t, what really matters is that Michelle is proud.
Links:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3897414.ece www.savagepolitics.com www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageld=62653
Size16feet:
You have obviously been brainwashed. If you actually read legitimate articles and other materials from credible sources, you would clearly know that Obama DOES have ties with both foreign and domestic terrorists, his paternal family IS Muslim, and he studied Marxism extensively on both the undergraduate and graduate levels. He has also espoused and lauded Marxist ideology in his own books.
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
CHANGES ARE COMMING ! WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! ASK THE EGYPTIANS, THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS – GOP AND RIGHT WING ANY BODY, LOOK YOURSELF IN THAT MIRROE – YOU ARE A LIAR, CHEAT AND THIEF- LEARN YOUR HISTORY- THIS IS NOT EUROPE OR THE MIDDLE EAST, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE – WHO IS BUSH OR THE GOP TO PREACH TO THE WORLD ON RIGHTS & WRONGS. I AM A NATIVE AMERICAN, I AM HERE AM I NOT? AND SO ARE MILLIONS OF INVISIBLE NATIVE AMERICANS! THE ENEMIES OF BUSH, MCCAIN OR THE GOP DO NOT HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE TO “TERRORISM, BULLYISM,
GENOCIDE, SLAVERY OR EXPLOITATION.” LOOK IN THAT MIRROR, AGAIN. STUDDY OUR HISTORY, AMERICAN HISTORY. Sincerely, Lake Hart, a Native American Writer.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 16, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Mike, Spanked. If Hillary loses the nomination, we’ll have half the Democrast Party voting for McCain. I know her followers are the less educated, but we’ll take them. Karl Rove scores again!!! Republicans again.
Posted by: mary | May 16, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
CHANGES ARE COMMING ! WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! ASK THE EGYPTIANS, THE GREEKS AND THE ROMANS – GOP AND RIGHT WING ANY BODY, LOOK YOURSELF IN THAT MIRROE – YOU ARE A LIAR, CHEAT AND THIEF- LEARN YOUR HISTORY- THIS IS NOT EUROPE OR THE MIDDLE EAST, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE – WHO IS BUSH OR THE GOP TO PREACH TO THE WORLD ON RIGHTS & WRONGS. I AM A NATIVE AMERICAN, I AM HERE AM I NOT? AND SO ARE MILLIONS OF INVISIBLE NATIVE AMERICANS! THE ENEMIES OF BUSH, MCCAIN OR THE GOP DO NOT HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE TO “TERRORISM, BULLYISM,
GENOCIDE, SLAVERY OR EXPLOITATION.” LOOK IN THAT MIRROR, AGAIN. STUDDY OUR HISTORY, AMERICAN HISTORY. Sincerely, Lake Hart, a Native American Writer.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 16, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
mike
you are too kind.
lets see
old senile cannot remember what he was for yesterday.
should be interesting
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
appeasing
4065 american soldiers killed
600 billion wasted
0 wmds found
yeah, obama will tie bush around mccain’s neck and beat him like a drum
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Size16 – “If it did, we would all be pagans.. ” Well, isn’t that special. Can I guess that you just think I am dumb, old heathen without any religious values, although my Way far, far predates yours? Again, isn’t that special…
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Caps lock doesn’t make your discourse any more compelling
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
John McCain is nothing more than a replica of Bush as that is what the gop wants. A vote for mccain is nothing more than 4 more years of the same old B.S. we have gone through for the last 7 years. If you want to change direction you will need to vote for someone else.
Posted by: con me not | May 16, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Phil,
You’re backing me into a corner that I never painted (mixed metaphor, I know) so I’m not saying everything is a lie nor insisting on everything being PC. I’m referring to the outright misinformation where it does exist and glaring omission. Did you learn that there were black senators in the south during reconstruction? I didn’t. Did you learn about the WWI internment camps for Japanese Americans? I didn’t. I went to school in the 70s. Of course I wouldn’t deny the achievements of Europeans. The Scots and Scottish Americans had more than their share of it and it was a source of pride for me, but as I’ve matured I’ve come to see it’s a shallow way to define yourself IMHO. I also realize how distorted much of the history I learned was and is. The more I learn the more I unlearn what I learned in school. Paul Simon said it best: “When I think of all the crap I learned in school”.
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
mary
he will spank mccain.
democrats will unite behind obama
independents will rally to obama
and remember
in the last 4 primaries, even though mccain has the republican nomination, 1 outta 4 voted against him
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
Obama “is” Washington. How phony can he be wearing his little flag pin.
Posted by: lois | May 16, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
Emily here you go again saying his family was muslim but you claim not to be racist. Oh please, then why keep bringing it up. You are so narrow minded.
Posted by: jj | May 16, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
How is McCain going to be different than Bush?
Posted by: Peter Jensen | May 16, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
jj: And you, are a racist.
Posted by: Emily | May 16, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Oops, we Democrats are all wrong…sorry world, the ol’cowboy has been right all along. Just look at everything he has done. Ignored memo’s about a terrorist attack on American soil left by the former president. Attacked the weakest punk in the mideast because he still must have the weapons…we sold them. Went in without an exit strategy or ecconomic plan to foot the bill. Wants to pick a fight with any takers, Russia, N. Korea, Iran or anyone else who could appear as a threat, especially if we threaten and refuse to talk with them. Not to mention his fantastic skills at the Kariokee night during an economic castrophy caused by the “War on Terrorism”(which country is that again?) Yes,world this is an offical appology and now WE WANT CHANGE!!! MCSAME is not the answer. Old stale politics won’t cut it. We need change, our country is founded on the need for change. The Cowboy and his party had their chance and look at where we are now. Our ‘freshman’ is ready for the call because noone has gotten to him because he doesn’t need big business fr his campaign funds. Times are a changin.
Posted by: Meathead | May 16, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Jeff – “Obama is an embarassment to the democratic party. Dean and Pelosi must be run out of town for ever letting us get into such a mess.”
Skyebeader – “Extremely well said. As a lifelong, typical old red woman, I highly agree”
I am a mad black woman and I agree. I will for McCain to protest against Dean, Pelosi, and the DNC party.
Posted by: cmyvote2008 | May 16, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Mike:
Obama’s dirty laundry: Rezko, Ayers, NAFTA, Reverend Wright, President of Iran, the Hamas endorsement, American hating wife, money from sub-prime lenders, money from lobbying, raised a Muslim but says he’s a Christian, however, beleives in gay marriage and abortion, voted present many times over without taking a stand, and the list goes on and on and on……..
War is NEVER a good thing, however, McCain does not completely and totally agree with Bush and his antics, so, you are trying to pin Bush on McCain. If I remember right, McCain hardly ever agrees with anything Bush says or does. There have been lives lost, and its very unfortunate. However, as Oliver North states, there is always a cost to achieve freedom. Do your research, your boy Obama, is tied to Muslim extremist and is endorsed by the Hamas…..they want him as President. If, and thats a BIG if, Obama becomes President, America will enter into the darkest days of her existence.
Posted by: ApeasingObama | May 16, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
mary
would feel that way if a good solid non willaryized female was picked for vice president. there are a lot of better woman without the slick willy baggage
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
Lake – Gee, I am certainly not invisibile and I certainly know how to spell and articulate. Part of the REAL res life. Please don’t ever pretend and play cowboys and indians while I am on the board. Highly inappropriate. Thank you.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
Emily, please tell me how am I a racist. I vote on issues and will vote for Hillary or Obama. You keep bringing up the muslim issue.
Posted by: jj | May 16, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
i feel like a man without a country or a party.
i cant stand the gop nor the ‘moral’ majority.
but i’ll never vote the dem party. i mean read what their loyal follwers are saying in these comments.
just like obama, i cant tell whos side democrats are on.
they seem to wanna burn the country down themselves.
they are still the 60s counterculture so far left if the earth was flat theyd fall off.
reagan was an fdr democrat. todays democrats call that ‘neocon’ and with the other side of their forked tongues defend ultra neocon ayatollahs with a murder-suicide ideology.
this sucks.
i will vote the GOP because they still say i’m sorry and resign when someone writes an email or has his name written in a madams black book.
democrats re-elect pedophiles 5 times and then call him ‘pioneer’ in eulogies.
Posted by: Scott L. | May 16, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
We are a country of 50 states, not 48. Please sign to have Michigan and Florida count.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/flmidnc/?sc=2462
Posted by: lois | May 16, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Yeah, I agree Lois, he should take it off! And MIKE, only 1/2 the Democrats will vote Obama, the other 1/2 are so stupid , they’ll vote Republican because of jealousy. Also the reason 1/4 Republicans voted McCain is because of ‘Operation Chaos’.
Posted by: mary | May 16, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Racism is the only thing the GOP has to hang on to now.
The GOP is out of new ideas, it has nothing to work with, so racism looks mighty tempting.
Posted by: Peter Jensen | May 16, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
appeasing
what does mccain disagree with bush on?
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
mike you are a real genious—–how in the world do you associate obama with nafta—–that was strictly slick willy who was a true embarassment
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
And racist attitudes are partly a generational thing – the older generation, of course. It’s that old Demographic that will slowly cycle out in the next decade or so.
Posted by: Peter Jensen | May 16, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
This site is a for right wing shills and TOKYO ROSE ABC which has sneaky news articles casting Democrats in a bad light while pretending to be fair.
TOKYO ROSE,TOKYO ROSE,TOKYO ROSE (for all you young ignoramuses: ask your Grandma and Grandpa about Tokyo Rose, the propagandist for the Japanese during WWII that tried to use the radio and media to lie to our troops).
ABC CENSORS EVERYONE WHO ISN’T A RIGHT WING SHILL. ABC NEWS IS TOKYO ROSE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA MACHINE.
Posted by: allen_osuno | May 16, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
appeas: Do your research, your boy Obama, is tied to Muslim extremist
mike: not so! and you cant prove it….because its not true
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
Size 16- I had found, and I used this method with my children, that school was just an introduction to subjects. Whenever a subject was introduced, I felt it was necessary to do my OWN research into it in order to gain as much knowledge as I could. Schools, especially at the k-12 level, have to be many things to a broad range of students that understand things at different levels. Therefore (as you probably remember) you find yourself in class listening to the same thing over and over because 10% of the class just doesn’t “get it”. I would have to disagree with defining yourself vis-a-vis what your ancestors achieved as being “shallow”. All peoples look back on the achievments of their civilization, it’s just not “fashionable” for white people to take pride in themselves. It is more PC to feel guilt about any objectionable events that have taken place. I think that then is what many people have with what is termed “left wingers”. They constantly point out the bad about everything, never the good. Oh, and to answer your questions, 1. No, I wasn’t taught about black senators during Reconstruction. 2. I was taught about the WW2 interments regarding japanese-americans.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
And Huckabee eliminated himself from the VP possibilities today after his statement about shooting Obama.
His comment just “flowed” out of his mouth, it was so natural the way he said it. Huckabee is a racist, also, it appears. Bye Huckabee.
Posted by: Peter Jensen | May 16, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
Size16 – hysterical that you are arguing about who “found” the America… good luck with writing, editing, and rewriting those books.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
The Obama supporters are trying to have it both ways. They say he’s another Bush, yet a few days ago Ariana Huffington said McCain told her he voted for Kerry. As in most partisan politics, the truth lies somewhere in between.
Posted by: dll | May 16, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
anyone who has been following politics close knows that calling obama a muslim is a smear and is used to incite fear. it is a tactic by opponents because they have no plan for jobs , the economy or iraq
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
lois – “We are a country of 50 states, not 48. Please sign to have Michigan and Florida count.”
What are you talking about? Mr. Obama said we have 58 states. He had already visted 57 and 1 more to go. LOL
Posted by: cmyvote2008 | May 16, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
Skyebeader,
You misread: The Pagan comment was used to illustrate a point, i.e. the religion of our ancestors is moot. It was not a moral judgment on paganism and you don’t have any knowledge of “my way” so no need to get so touchy.
Posted by: Size16feet | May 16, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
Bush used the appeasing comment in 2006 before Obama was ever running for office.
Could Obama be a bigger crybaby.
Obama never served in the military because he is a crybaby.
Bush was referring to Jimmy Carter and pacifist countries in europe who bash Israel at the UN.
The whole world doesn’t revolve around Obama.
Bush has said he will stay out of the presidential race.
I can’t take the media lies anymore they are going to give me a stroke.
I am so tired of the media distorting Mccain. McCain said he took Bush at his word it wasn’t about Obama he didn’t agree with him.
Shame on the media for their lies and distortions.
Obama is not even the nominee yet after he loses in Kentucky by 40 percent he will be back in the senate. Who the hell does Obama think he is that everything is about him.
Posted by: david | May 16, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
after hours of republican crap–it is starting to sound like they are desperate—they are finding out that we are not all a bunch of honkeys that they can bullcrap
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
Over time, one begins to realize that this guy isn’t that bright. Any moron can read a script someone else wrote, but when placed on the spot, he sounds like a teenager who’s defensive. It was pretty stupid to agree to talk to every thug out there without any pre-conditions. We don’t do that in our daily walk of life and we deal with pretty reasonable people in our conflicts. He’s an appeaser. He’s just angry that someone else has found out the truth about him. Give him time, he’ll reveal who he really is. The longer HRC remains in the hunt, the more BO will reveal himself to be a total airhead and racist. BTW, he can claim that he won Iowa. But, given a second chance, I would bet that he would have lost Iowa.
Posted by: Frustrated Voter | May 16, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
McCain and Bush are hypocrites and liars. Again attacking opposition with dishonesty. They lie and lie and lie to scare votes up. We are in a war based on Bush lies! I love the fact that Obama called it what it is. Dishonesty and scare tactics that even old McBush is now using.
Posted by: Newsrook | May 16, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Peace – he ain’t a NA. Trust me on this one.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
republicans like to hoot about how they give americans tax cuts and how they are fiscally responsible.
they are feeding you a line…….
republicans do like to cut taxes. they especially benefit the rich. but they fail to cut govt spending, which leads our nation in debt.
in 2001 , the national debt was near 5.4 trillion dollars. under bush the debt is now at 9.3 trillion !
so how do the republicans cut our national taxes and pay for a war that cost 3 billion dollars a day, 5000 dollars a second?
tonight at the dinner table, look at your children. it is they who will pay for bush’s war. today we are borrowing from communist red china. our children will repay them the loan. this is all fact
so the next time a republican talks about a “tax and spend liberal”, look them in the eye and tell them about the “pawn our debts on our kids republicans”
they wont like it. but truth hurts……………….
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Rodney, I am a woman that knows her place and the Republicans are too smart to ever run a woman as President. A womans place is beside her husband, not leading him. Can’t you tell that the only Democrats for Hillary are mostly uneducated white females.
Posted by: mary | May 16, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Mike:
McCain disagrees with Bush on:
The handling of Katrina and the victims, global warming, harsh interrogation tactics being used on terrorist suspects; his concern about climate change, which they say came earlier than Bush’s attention to the issue; his opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge; and his support for allowing the importation of prescription drugs. McCain also favors ending free prescription drugs for older Americans who can afford to pay all or part of the cost.
And on the big two issues — the Iraq war and the economy — Holz-Eakin said McCain has distinguished himself from the president by his early criticism of how the war was being run and by taking an economic approach based on more than tax policy.
To name a few. Now, Mike, tell me please, WHAT QUALIFIES OBAMA TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES…..PLEASE, I WANT TO KNOW AS WELL AS MILLIONS OF OTHER VOTERS WHO WILL NOT SUPPORT HIM IN NOVEMBER.
Posted by: ApeasingObama | May 16, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
republicans accuse democrats of being tax and spend liberals
but at least democrats pay our bills and dont pawn it off on our children.
that is what this election is about.
john mccain will continue tax cuts for the wealthy, and leave our children with the bill!!!!!!
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
Everyone knows Obama is not a Muslin…just a wantabee. lol
Posted by: Roger King | May 16, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
Peter Jensen says: Racist attitudes are partly a generational thing – the older generation, of course.
If I remember correctly, it was the hero of this new generation, Obama, who described his grandmother as a typical white woman. He went on to say that white people are bred a certain way, stereotyped all rural people with the guns and religion slur and said white folks’ greed runs a world in need. Thank goodness the new generation has rid us of bigotry.
Posted by: bedy | May 16, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
mary
or gay
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
Mike sd:
“apparently mcbush doesnt know history nor the definition of appeasement. all great presidents have talked to adversaries….fdr, kennedy, reagan.
mcbush should brush up on his ww2 history…especially around the time that hitler decided to fight a 2 front war”
Stop getting your history from Obama’s gaseous speeches, you are making a fool of yourself.
FDR never met with nor spoke with Hitler nor Hirohito and the only time. Do you even know what the term “unconditional surrender” means?
Kennedy met with Krushev and it was a disaster as he was bullied by the Soviet and was a direct cause of the Cuban Missile crisis because Krushev thought he could bully Kennedy.
Reagan had talks with the Russians but against the pleadings of the NY Times and every liberal in sight from Ted Kennedy, John Kerry to Jimmy Carter, he told them to stuff it and walked out of the discussions. Finally he went to Berlin and demanded: “Take down this wall!” The Soviets collapsed within a year. That would not have occurred if your heros, Kennedy, Kerry and Carter, had been followed.
Obama is a disaster and committed perhaps the most moronic blunder of any presidential candidate in my life time, including Muskie crying, Kerry’s “reporting for duty” or Carter’s malaise speech.
Posted by: LogicalSC | May 16, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
bush and mccain have the same positions on global warming
it is not near enough. both oppose the kyoto treaty
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
cmyvote2008, Mr. Obama is not experience enough to even know how many states are in the country. How in the world could you mess that up?
A community worker for President…Does anyone really believe he has a clue how to run the country? It’s like any state rep going to the senate and in his or her first term running for President. This is just plain down crazy!
Posted by: lois | May 16, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
voteMcCain, Obama has been very honest about his parents and relatives. Where have you been.
Posted by: lily | May 16, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
I personally don’t like McCain, but I agree with him about this. I wish there were better candidates, but since there weren’t I have to choose McCain. I just don’t trust Obama, period. Base on the allegations, on my reasons, on my instincts. Not about race here. I would vote for Collin Powell if here were a candidate. Not Obama, man. He sat in that racist church for 20 years. Don’t tell me he doesn’t share Wright’s ideologies. He was raised as a Muslims. His relatives are Muslims, Islamic militant. Don’t tell me he doesn’t have simpathy for them. I feel he does not have the love for this country like McCain, Hillary,… He says whatever he says to get elect. I hope more Americans aware of this.
Posted by: dave2008elect | May 16, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
lets get something straight
bush was in isreal and made the statements for one reason, and that was to get the vote from jews in our country.
clumsy stupid oaf that he is
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
obama is for gun control
ever hear of a muslim wanting gun control?
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
When Barack Obama was sworn into office, he did not use the Holy Bible, but yet, he used the Koran. He was enrolled and went to a radical Muslim school, was raised by a Muslim step father and an atheist mother. He only joined Trinity Church because in order to seek the Presidency of the United States, you basically have to be a Christian. The following link gives more proof of Obama being a Muslim:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
Posted by: ApeasingObama | May 16, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
OBAMA…OBAMA…OBAMA. My friend, you are giving Harvard a really bad name. Your training has left you where you can’t speak clearly or think clearly. What the HELL happened to you???
Posted by: Roger King | May 16, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
I want to applaud this entire board. We are having an actual debate on issues and substance. No more bullshit flag pins or your wife isnt patriotic whatever that means, or sniper fire. This is what it shouldve been about all along. now we can decide on who should lead our country with that being said
OBAMA 08 YES WE CAN
Posted by: Allamr18 | May 16, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
Con me: “nothing more than 4 more years of the same old B.S. we have gone through for the last 7 years.” While that is certainly not my one-trick pony for my vote, bringing my sons home alive is, why would I want to turn off the most properous years that I have ever had? I have doubled my accounts in the last 7, and that is why I do not care about the economic conditions as an even “also ran”. I would be willing to give more than I already do in crushing taxes, but I certainly wish that some people would look out for their own. That is what I am doing with my vote. My own breaths, trains, fights, gets injured, potentially gets killed. My own is not who will bring me the most in handouts. I already figured out how to take care of myself and did so, accordingly. Think about the real issues.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
skybeader,
You must be right at home with the GOP and George W. Bush in the Middle East. Funny I do not see many of my people sharing the loot of this great land, my apologies, you must be the exception, you are so visible, I can see right true you. Lake Hart.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 16, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
mccain said obama should not talked to hamas in 2008
in 2006, mccain said we should
he is mcstupid
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
votemccaindems: If all Obamas cousins are muslims, then his cousin VP Cheney is too!
Posted by: mary | May 16, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
Mike, you there? Hmmmm…..can’t find anything that would qualify Nobama to be President? Just as I figured, Nobama is an empty suit with no substance!
Posted by: ApeasingObama | May 16, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
Allamr – I don’t support your candidate, but if you look at the third post on this blog-that’s what I was hoping for:”an actual debate on issues and substance.” *tip o the hat*
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Allamr18, I am still talking about the flag pin. Everytime I see Obama with his little flag pin on it makes you see how so “Washington” he actually is. Just like all the politicans. So phony.
Posted by: lois | May 16, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
hey mike
i am for gun controll.
put one in every law abiding hand and teach them how to use it.
my attitude—abuse my child and i will deal with you—harm my child and god will deal with you. most attempts at rehab is left wing bull####
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
appeasing
actually obama can only offer his service as a senator. and a senator doesnt make decisions of his own, he works with others. kinda think of it, that is all mccain has to offer!
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
CMYvote2 – I will vote to bring my sons home alive. Thank you so much, sincerely, for helping. We should not have to say red or black or woman in this day and age, but if they want the “other” demographics, let’s give it to them ;-)
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
The whole world and most of the country will be greatly relieved when republicans are out of the whitehouse. McCain has flip-flopped all over the place and has turned into McBush in a very disgusting way. Obama will have to do a lot of cleaning just to get the stench out of the whitehouse. If the middle east is glad to see Bush and the neocons gone, I sure don’t blame them. We have no business over there other than to be an ally of Isreal.
Posted by: Vicki | May 16, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
audacity of hope: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction,”
obama said it not me.
i’m justa bitter white guy who clings to god and guns when i’m not clinging to godesses and beer.
Posted by: Scott L. | May 16, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Mike said:
mccain said obama should not talked to hamas in 2008
in 2006, mccain said we should
he is mcstupid
Mike, if you do your research, McCain actually stated that there would be conditions if we were to talk to the Hamas. Also, in 2006, the Hamas was just forming, was not the militant terrorist group they are now. McCain, saw this impending danger with the Hamas, wanted to set conditions for dialogue with them that never prevailed. Basically, he was trying to put out a fire before it started. Now, the Hamas (who endorsed Obama), is a very strong and growing terrorist military operation who threatenst o annihialate Israel. Obama wants to reach a compromise of sorts with them. This would kill our relationship with Israel. He said it, it’s been recorded, and now Obama is trying to deny it. What a liar he is!
Posted by: ApeasingObama | May 16, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
rodney
well see there. you and muslims have more in common than what you thought…:)
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
More questionable ties and handy list of lies. http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com
These are some things we need to know
investigatebarackobama.blogspot.com
And this is something new on No Quarter
noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/16/an-open-letter-to-senator-obama
Posted by: WeNeedTheTruth | May 16, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
rodney keep that racist rhetoric to yourself you ignorant piece of garbage. this is why i cant stand liberals. a guy like rodney can get away with calling caucasians “honkeys” but as soon as a white male says anything not deemed pc by the clowns at the ACLU or the NAACP and what happens. the blatant hypocrisy of the left. they tolerate anything and anyone except those that dont agree with them. idiots.
Posted by: john | May 16, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
hamas was created in 1987
mccain said it in 2006
hamas was elected in palestine elction in 2006 prompting mccain to state we needed to talk to them
appeasing, maybe you need to do some research
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Which of the following is a valid excuse to vote for Obama IF he gets the nomination?
A)Republicans did lots of bad things last 8 years.
B) McCain is the same as Bush
C) We need “change”
D) Obama is a magician who will do wonderful things
E) None of the above.
Correct answer= E!!! NO SANE, VALID EXCUSE TO APPOINT BHO, JR to the job of POTUS. period.
WHAT ABOUT F ?
F) all the above
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
Lois, “Mr. Obama is not experience enough to even know how many states are in the country. How in the world could you mess that up?”
Obama justification for the mess up with the number of states is “Since the race started he only been getting 6 hours a sleep a day. This man can not handle being President if he can not function on 6 hours of sleep a day.
Posted by: cmyvote2008 | May 16, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
look at this cenerio—1 MCcain cannot tell you from one day to another what he is for -he cannot figure what you want probably never will….hillary in antisipation of shoein for pres, was making deals with colunbia another nafta trpe deal—-and then along came obama and he is kicking butt….can you imagine the amount of fear they have because of him. you can play kids games all you want but .but someone will have some serious issues to deal with.
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Size16 – That was inappropriate. For the Nations, the “W” is capitalized. And we are not pagans by any stretch of the imagination and equating us to that is just derogatory. Please invest in some more research about this. Thank you.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
Mike:
Created in 1987, but did not come on the world scene until 2006. Again, I implore you to realize that McCain saw the threat of this group in 2006, and wanted to set pre conditions for dialogue with them before they grew into the radicals they are today. When I said they were just forming in 2006, this is what I meant, they had obtained support from Palestine which caused Israel to be threatened.
And, BTW, Mike….even though we disagree and support our candidates, its good to talk to another American without all of the pettiness that others want to discuss. Thanks a lot, buddy!
Posted by: ApeasingObama | May 16, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
ApeasingObama
thanks. the same goes to you. you have a lot of class in your argument!
good night
mike
camden, tn
Posted by: mike | May 16, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
cmyvote
he will hire hillary she does this at 3 am answering phone—willys bimbos
Posted by: rodney | May 16, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
rodney how stupid are you. the trade agreement with colombia is an outstanding piece of legislation and only really benefits one country more than colombia, that would be America. i know you liberals are novices when it comes to foreign policy but it might make sense for us to get behind the only nation in south america that still backs our play. colombia has been a valuable partner of america for years and is our best buffer against chavez. get some perspective you clown.
Posted by: erik | May 16, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
“obama is for gun control
ever hear of a muslim wanting gun control?”
Yes, from the one who wants to take all of them out of our house so that there can be very ugly problems out here in the country. Not to worry, though, the spouse has more than just a little experience and training in hand-to-hand, battlefield conditions, and I wield a pretty mean tomahawk. Maybe the “boys” can get home to bareback the horses ’cause we’re getting old. You absolutely cannot be serious.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 16, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
cmon obama couldnt even see the consequences of 20 years sitting in the pews of rev wrights church.
do u really wanna president who cant see or hear a train coming?
if it was a white guy going to westburo baptist church and listening to fred phelps for 20 years, it would have been a national disgrace, the candidate would be crucified in the press and couldnt show his face in public ever again.
but obama is untouchable and we all know why.
Posted by: Scott L. | May 17, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
erik
just one question—-where are the majority of drugs entering our country comoing from—-broker was clintons top advisor—-how many jobs were lost in your area due to nafta.
hugo is entertaining at best and shows us why we need to eliminate the need for foreign oil.
Posted by: rodney | May 17, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Why is Obama mad about Bush’s and McCain’s comments but he not mad about what his old pastor’s comments? Obama needs to schedule a debate with his old pastor not McCain.
Posted by: cmyvote2008 | May 17, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
Lake – my Nations did it without the benefit of casinos. We valued education long before a card trick appeared. We worked our butts off. We learned. We served. We handed coup back. BTW, I give to Wind River financially and educationally and personally, which is not my home, but is my heart. What do you do? If you still claim, you are making a poor sight of yourself and your lamed pony. We rely on no one except ourselves as prideful and capable peoples, as is the Way. Tell us what you do, besides come on here and pretend.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 17, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
rodney – if you had posted in English, that might have made some sense and been debateable… Even us old folks know how to maneuver a keyboard. Geesh!!!
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 17, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Rodney: Chavez entertaining? maybe if you found Khrushchev antics entertaining. i personally don’t find the purchase of Russian MIGs and other assorted weapons amusing especially when it happens in our back yard. but that must be the whole republican, strong on defense, thing you seem to find so antithetical rising up in me again. my apologies.
Posted by: erik | May 17, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
Skybeader,
With all respect, my comments were not directed at you, O’ pitiful and capable ones. Nor the millions of NA who have made it, or the other millions who returned their CUPS – we do not promote the exploitation of others nor do we exploit ourselves. We have never been a united voice, resulting in all the exploitation – good for you, you have your land, language, culture and traditions and self respect – every thing you worked for. I am one of the other millions who were never given, lands, hand outs or a CUP – however I have everything from my forefathers, our oral traditions. This medium was for Political purpose, focusing attention on George W. Bush’s abuse of the Presidency in an International Environment to score points for the GOP. I like most of my people are doing fine too – we were never given cups. As NA, we were too divided – please do not take it out on me! All I have is my truth, ” TERRORISM, BULLYISM, GENOCIDE, SLAVERY, AND EXPLOITATION” ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE “ENEMIES OF THE USA OR THE GOP,” IF THE “GLOVE FITS”……
Please do not cut me down, all I want to do is to live and let live, in the homeland of my ancestors for thousands of generations. Sincerely, Lake Hart.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 17, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
I don’t think he is a muslim and personally i could care less about that. He’s a liar and a fraud. He isn’t going to win the GE anyway so even if you think he is don’t worry about that.
Posted by: J | May 17, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
Lake – you have just proven yourself a liar and a fake for all to see. “good for you, you have your land, language, culture and traditions and self respect.” Good night, white boy. You know nothing of the Nations.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 17, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Lake – “I am one of the other millions who were never given, lands, hand outs or a CUP”. Then, you are nothing more than the stereo-typical drunk on the old res? GIVEN??? Get off your handout pony and be worthwhile, give BACK. I am so angry that you attempt to be NA on here. And you can’t even speak with force or knowledge. I’m going to go hunt something, and it will have “Lake” stenciled between its eyes. I am a good shot with a variety of primitive weaponry. Yes, us dumb, old, typical red women are like that, ya know. You should have one of us and not even question. You evaded the question, entirely. What Nation do you whine to? We know about dark. Go turn your jacuzzi on and pour some Mondavi in reverance.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 17, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am
Skyebeader,
If only you could live in my skin, then and only then you will understand how wounded I am – my great grand father, Geronimo, had no lands, his son Yankee Joe, had no lands, my dad had no lands, nor do I, however we have all Turtle Island and we will be here forever and always. Please do understand and educate yourself, 90 % of NA, never had lands/ given lands – if only I could bare my skin so you can see my truth – “White Boy” my ass, I have never been insulted like this, however we have never been united & and never will. Because there are those who are the “CIVILIZED ONES,” the GOP ones, no wonder you defend the “old boys club” – you will trow away your ‘blood brother’ for the GOP, because they give you land – may the Great Spirit be with you – may you find your Way. Sincerely, the wounded, Lake Hart.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 17, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
Why would I want to? I’m from proud and real Nations. Good luck with that skin problem. Never had one, personally.
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 17, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
BTW, white buffalo, you can buy your own lands if you get a job…
Posted by: Skyebeader | May 17, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am
Skybeader,
For an old red woman, you lost your heart, your cool, your purpose, Apache were never white like you “Civilized Indian” 1/4 blood, land or res does not make you a NA – so why is your child in the military, to get an education too, like MaaMaa! Get with the program lady, this is the 21 Century. Conservative Republican Native American Women – a card carrying GOP Indian!! Ha, Ha, and more Ha, and you are living in the Res……..I am never disrespectful of elders, especially 1/8 blood, cling on to the Res… good riddens. Good night granny and good by, some of us have to work for a living. Respectfully, Lake.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 17, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am
The Bush Administration’s latest Bogus Claims About Iran’s Weapons Smuggling based on the captured weapons collected in Karbala was the obvious U.S. political embarrassment over an Iraqi claim of captured Iranian arms that turned out to be false.
MCClueless, MC$tupid, MCwarmonger is just Cheney’s puppet trying to stoke hostilities with Iran based on false facts.
we need a president who at least understands who the players are.
The current one has proven time and again that he either doesn’t have a clue, or doesn’t care.
And the man he wants to replace him seems equally clueless or worse.
It may take him a century to figure out who the enemy is. Americans can’t wait that long.
Go Obama, I enjoyed confidence and politeness of Obama accompany with high leadership and good judgment skills
which makes he my most wanted candidate that can bring change and prosperity to USA.
Posted by: kevin | May 17, 2008, 2:16 am 2:16 am
as an Iranian, I strongly suggest that if you Americans wish to be protected from our nation and leader, do not vote for the Republicans.
the more you force, the stronger Iran gets. the more you threaten Iranians the more they rebel and are provoked.
Obama is speaks the truth when he says George W Bush and the invading of Iraq has made Iran stronger. He has helped Iran gain several allies and stengthen their own army and quality of weapons. Which is why they’re considering a nuclear weapon, if they are.
But my point being that diplomatic nagotiations wouldn’t be a bad idea to mantain peace between our nations. However, force and threatening is not going to work to stop Iran, thats all i’m warning you about. The republicans surely have not stopped Iran so far and I dont think John McCain will be any different. The only thing they will do is PROVOKE Iran more.
Posted by: persianpride | May 17, 2008, 2:53 am 2:53 am
michele obama said “barack will never let you live your normal lives again”. It gives me goosebumps each time I think about this. What kidn of change are they going to bring to our nation? What kinds of change is she talkng about that wouldn’t allow me to live my normal live?? Didn’t Hitler’s platform was based on “Change”, an extreme kind of “Change”. When you cannot tell about a person, you listened to his closest associations tell about him because they know him more than others.
Posted by: hannah | May 17, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am
Carter has more talent with foreign policy than Bush could ever dream to have. Bush is more like Adolph Hitler in more ways than one. What psycho invades a country with absolutely no reason other than to control it? George Bush the puppet!! Bush would be better off keeping his mouth shut and play with his toes. He is a disgrace to the American way of life in his attempt at detroying us at our core.
Posted by: Real American | May 17, 2008, 6:42 am 6:42 am
ABC please inform Hlllary Clinton that we real democrats want her to contest as an independent candidate in the general election
Posted by: A True black American | May 17, 2008, 7:27 am 7:27 am
Obama is already flip flopping. During the debates and it is recorded he said, “I will negotiate with our enemies through direct talks”. Hillary said, “I will not talk without preconditions being meant”. In other words you negotiate through strenght.
This is the area where Obama is the weakest, while showing inexperience and he will have his hands full shortly. We will have to wait and see if the American people believe he is the one to take the fight to the repubs over this war and it won’t be easy.
McCain does have more experience, hawkish absoutely but, some of his ideas about the state of world affairs is not without merit. Obama will have to show he has command of foriegn policy and the direction he wants to take us.
Sit back and watch, the show is about to start.
Posted by: Average Joe | May 17, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am
What are you people scared of. My god somebody needs to sit down and talk to these fools and try to work out something to stop them from being so against the rest of the world. Its better to try to get them to change their ways than to just run and hide and let them keep doing what they are doing. Who knows maybe you will get them to stop harboring terriost if you can get them to start working togther over there in that world. When you have fights between people you need a moderator to try and work out the differences. this something bush has failed to do in trying to get them to come to a table and discuss their problems. This world would be a better place if we can talk to them and get them to stop this crap, if we keep ignoring the fact they are doing what they are doing then we soon will be paying a greater price. I say if we cant negociate with them and get them to stop all this terriost stuff after giving them ever chance to work it out at the tables, then find the center point of the 4 or 5 countries and drop the big bomb and end it once and for all with the terriost. Its easer to ask forgivness than to ask for permission to drop it. but 1st we got to try to talk to them.
Posted by: Jim | May 17, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
I think Bush and McCain are using scare tatics and all of you are falling for it. Bush probably doesnt want Obama to talk to the terrorist because he will find out the truth of whats really been going on.
Posted by: Lovly2008 | May 17, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
Bez I quite agree with you, most of these haters have never left the shores of this country, so dont blame them if the feed and base their biased arguments on propaganda thats fed to them…………if only a large % of Americans know the truth of how they are disliked by the rest of the world even by their so called allies
Posted by: arure | May 17, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
Bush and McCain are scaring nobody the truth is that Obama was wrong by saying he would meet with terrorist without preconditions but Hillary opposed it and Obama is wrong totally wrong. How will you meet with terrorist?? well that was why Carter endorsed him , when two blind men lead one another they will soon falll into a pit. HILLARY WAS RIGHT OBAMA WAS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY WRONG
Posted by: A True black American | May 17, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Just like Bush with the war, Obama lied to the Democrats at the begining of the campaign hiding his allegiance to Rev. Wright and Black theology. That is the only reason he is ahead in the primaries. After we found out he has not win anything but NC in which obviously there was fraud.. Obama is as deceiving and conniving as Bush. Write Hillary on the ballot.
I do not buy the comedy between Wright and Obama, they are still pals, they think alike and Obama should not be the Democrat nominee, he does not have a chance in the General Election. Twenty years supporting sermons of hate and he thinks we believe that now he is offended, and enraged? He is a phony and a hypocrite, the worst kind of politician. He sure learns fast Only five years and he is involved with radicals, launderer money through the law firm he worked for, did favors for rezko in exchange for campaign money and a front lawn, and all this while he looks down on regular Americans. Obama is the kind of politician we can’t believe.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
“white male veteran – so you do agree that obama has said that he would do the talk and negotiations right?”
Not with Hamas. So no, I don’t agree.
“..the talk and negotiations are not bad ideas but then he didn’t stand by it.”
That’s false. He stands by what he said. Pay attention to what is said by whom, and in what context. I realize it’s hard to do when McCain plays passive-aggressive games like this:
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“It’s very obvious to everyone that Senator Obama shares nothing of the values or goals of Hamas, which is a terrorist organization,” McCain said. “But it’s also a fact that a spokesperson from Hamas said that he approves of Obama’s candidacy. I think that’s of interest to the American people.”
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In other words, ‘I’m not saying it, but the “America people” are “interested”.’ And that from Mr. so-called Straight Talk himself. If he continues in that brand of politics, Obama is going to own him like Bill O’Reilly owns a bad haircut.
“And by the way, he has shown that he’s weak.”
Only in the twisted logic of the fearful and superstitious. Where’s your evidence that “he’s weak?” Don’t give me sentiments or emotions. If you don’t have evidence to back it up, it’s just another assertion without a basis in fact. Facts are stubborn things, especially in this race. They’re going to make your life hard between now and November because “the sky is falling” is all we’re going to hear from the Neocons and their fearful followers.
Posted by: White Male Veteran | May 17, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Why is it that America backed the Contras in Central America in the 1980′s and also had the Elected President Allende overthrown. You should all look back at the history of why Osama Bin Laden turned against the Americans. Your country has supported more right wing Dictatorships than I care to remember with the support of our crap Govenment in Britian. The American Indians said, “White Men Speak With Forked Tongue” after all the Treaties that were broken with them, and it looks like the same thing is happening around the world now.
Posted by: r. taylor | May 17, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Obama never stands by what he says. It is always “that’s not what I meant”. Write Hillary on the ballot. As independent she can crush Obama
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Bush talking to a terrorist:
Saudi Arabia a documented terrorist
-Held telethone to raise money for
suicide bombers.
-Supplied 15 of the 19 suicide bomber
on 9/11.
-Currently provides most of the
suicide bombers in Iraq.
-the birthplace of Osama Bin Laden
Posted by: betty | May 17, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Obama is weak because everything is said he pretendes to be a victim.Is he going to cry like that when Amhedinajad and Chavez criticize him? is he going to cry that is not fair? Obama the unelectable.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Senator Clinton should run as independent. If the Democrat party hierarchy wants to lose the White House on purpose nominating obama, write Sen Clinton on the ballot. She will get a lot more votes than Obama.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
I do not call Obama names, just unelectable. Write Senator Clinton on the ballot. She will crush Obama. Real Democrats won’t vote for him
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
You people don’t get it. its got nothing to do with talking to the ememy, It has nothing to do with his pastors remarks, It has nothing to do with anything but the color of his skin.
Dont talk to Iran then this mess will never stop. Your kids will pay the price one day if not soon from rufusing to try and negociate with them.
Talking to them might actual work, what have we to loose by trying. if it dont then keep trying.
If it was McCain OR Hillary then this would not be an issue.
He just beat them to the draw
Posted by: Jim | May 17, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Why don’t Obama answers first all he has to answer? like his political favors to millionaires in Illinois in excahnge for money? or his allegiance to Rev Wright? Why did he stage a charade pretending a break up with his mentor and spiritual advisor? Why is he affraid to debate?, Why does his wife hates America? Why don’ he answer that firsta instead of playing the victim at every word.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Obama the victim, Obama the unelectable.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Obama’s just mad because Bush is right!!! Most Americans, even those who disagree with being this long into the war do not agree that to do what Obama suggests is just plain ignorance of the situation.
Posted by: a_thought | May 17, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Concept: Prescott Bush and his $$$ investments in Germany pre WWII (American Entry) and during the declared War II. There is enough “smear” to spread. Obama suggests talking–one may learn many things about one’s opponent in a discussion about the issues.
Posted by: mary | May 17, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
how many books have you all read this year?
how many foreign newspaers?
how many international websites?
how many languages do you speak?
who are your neighbors?
what is your political philosophy?
what is your life philosophy?
what is your contribution to America? the world?
what community service have you performed recently?
how often do you perform community service?
what is your neighbors name? where is he from?
how many “others” do you know, personally?
what research have you done this election year?
love your neighbor as you love yourself…seems to be much self-hatred around…
Posted by: ccrider | May 17, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
Why does anyone listen to Bush? He has been utterly discredited. His foreign policy is in shambles. He has made mince meat of our economy. Opened our Country’s gates to an invading horde. And otherwise ignored the interest and needs of average Americans.
Posted by: argoblaster47 | May 17, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
This sounds like a ploy of Barack supporters to create sympathy and distract people form the primaries that are coming and to pretend he won. But not all the votes have been counted yet.
The biggest problem that Barack has is his lack of experience and his relations to people who are clearly extremists. People generally believe that both Hillary and McCain are qualified but Barack got a free pass until we found out more about him. Now his supporters are creating problems to cover up the facts. It is still time to vote for Hillary and show PHONY BARCAK the door.
Posted by: edroma | May 17, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
McCain states, “to protect out interests”. What does he mean? Bush’s present strategy, “to protect our interst’s”, isn’t working. They,Bush, McCain, have no other strategy other than continue to cause the US to go deeper in debt to support their plan to kill the terrorists. So far, the terrorists are getting stronger. What a plan! This world has been at war with different societies for thousand of years. Bombing and killing doesn’t work when we now have a community willing to strap on bombs and blow up innocent people. Bush cannot force democracy on a society that has suffered for decades fighting for their beliefs, which happens to be different than ours. We need to review “ALL” avenues to stop this destroying of human lives.
Posted by: Don | May 17, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Poor Obama – he should get out of the kitchen – you can’t take the heat – Can you imagine sitting down with the fool from Iran than we would have two fools deciding our fate.
Obama is upset? What he going to do when it gets rough – my guess is lay down.
Posted by: a citizen | May 17, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Wait till Rove and that bunch start the paper trail on Obamas ties to Frank Marshall Davis and Susan Biondi Communist, shall we say leanings. Heck Obamas mother was a communist at heart and her mother. This is gonna be a whopper of an election. The truth shall prevail.
Posted by: Anderson | May 17, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
I have been a Democrat since I was 18, the first time I voted, I voted for President Carter. But, I have to say, that of all the Republican candidates that I have studied over the years, Senator John McCain is the most reasonable, moderate, and intelligent to come down the pike in a long time. Just like it did with George W. Bush, Senator Barack Obama’s arrogance [Barack would call it "Audacity", but a rose by any other name...], will be his undoing. Barack do not make the mistake that you seem to be starting to make by attempting to claim that you have a better brain at foreign policy. You just dont. Do not attempt to become what you behold and dispise, that being, “a typical politician”. This latest “dust up” over foreign policy makes me wish even harder that Senator Hillary Clinton had squeaked by and captured the Democratic nomination herself. She is stronger than both.
Posted by: PhillyPaul | May 17, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
As an Obama supporter, I welcome you Hillary democrats over to us!
Obama offers change and hope to the world! He is a uniter! He has vision! He will make history!
I know it isn’t fun losing. You will come to your senses and join us to defeat the evil in the world known as the gop. They have had their reign of terror and war far enough. They have had their guns and religion long enough. They are the world’s enemy.
Obama will restore peace to the planet! Obama must win over mcsame for this to happen. So again, I welcome you over to our team with open arms. We are liberals, we have a voice in Obama! We are not weak! WE ARE STRONG!
Obama ’08 Yes WE Can!!
Posted by: wayne | May 17, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Clearly the correct stance is for us to be unwilling to discuss anything with state sponsors of terrorism, right? Like Saudi Arabia? Oh, that’s right, those guys are friends of the Bushes. I’m pretty sure that what Obama is saying is that force doesn’t always have to be our first reaction. I know some of you ignorant bullies (and your president) think that’s the right way to go about things, but that’s why most of the world hates us now.
Do you somehow think that if Obama went to talk to Iran that the Iranians aren’t going to know that we have the might and power to turn their whole country into a molten sheet of glass? How does that make us weak?
Anyone remember “Speak softly and carry a big stick”?
Posted by: Richs | May 17, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Obama, sweetie! You’ve got great ideas, but I am not stupid American. I will not fall for your “same attacks to divide America” and “Change you can believe in” BS, PLZ. I am a moderate democrat and I would love nothing better than have a united democratic party and a democrat in the White House. Your ideas about meeting with terrorist country have always bothered me…you are inexperienced, have excercised questionable judgement and I really cannot relate to you. I want a united and different kind of politics…but not extreme. I won’t let me country go to hell in a handbasket. Hillary or McCain, plz
Posted by: Roni | May 17, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Obama, sweetie! You’ve got great ideas, but I am not stupid American. I will not fall for your “same attacks to divide America” and “Change you can believe in” BS, PLZ. I am a moderate democrat and I would love nothing better than have a united democratic party and a democrat in the White House. Your ideas about meeting with terrorist country have always bothered me…you are inexperienced, have excercised questionable judgement and I really cannot relate to you. I want a united and different kind of politics…but not extreme. I won’t let me country go to hell in a handbasket. Hillary or McCain, plz
Posted by: Roni | May 17, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
I would rather have Obama be friends with “terrorists” than be enemies with them.
So far it has NOT worked out for the better of the world by having them be enemies.
You have nothing to lose. If you have the courage!
Change!
Obama ’08 Yes WE Can!!
Posted by: wayne | May 17, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Did you ever notice how the majority of Barack Obama’s “supporters” invariably end their posts with one of his three main campaign “slogans”? “Wayne just ended his with the tired old, “Yes WE Can!”. Its becoming laughably childish and naive of them. Ask them to define Barack Obama’s policies, and they chant, “Yes We Can!” over and over. I do not vote Popular, I vote Substance.
Posted by: PhillyPaul | May 17, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Sure took Obama no time at all to condem Bush’s comments compared to the time it took for him to condem his Spiritual Leader Reverent Wright. This guy is so hypicritical and nothing but Madison Avenue glitz. And, shame on the media for letting him get away with it. McCain’08 !
Posted by: Roger | May 17, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Sure took Obama no time at all to condem Bush’s comments compared to the time it took for him to condem his Spiritual Leader Reverent Wright. This guy is so hypicritical and nothing but Madison Avenue glitz. And, shame on the media for letting him get away with it. McCain’08 !
Posted by: Roger | May 17, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
No self respecting Democrat would vote for John McCain. His views are completely contrary to those of the Democratic party. Grow up Dems, and take back the White House!
Posted by: Nikole | May 17, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
No self respecting Democrat would vote for John McCain. His views are completely contrary to those of the Democratic party. Grow up Dems, and take back the White House!
Posted by: Nikole | May 17, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
I have no worries that there are any Hillary supporters that are going to vote gop. NONE! They are nothing but evil gopers posing as Hillary voters. Nice try, but gotcha! HA!
Gopers will resort to any smear and any evil tactic to win. My professor says they always do and they are very evil. He is right about everything.
You gopers that have something against Obama being friends with terrorists are quite pathetic. You and your cowboy ways of declaring them evil and enemies have done nothing for the world. It sure isn’t safer.
Change!
Obama is a uniter and a man of great peace!
Obama ’08 Yes WE Can!!
Posted by: wayne | May 17, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
PHILLYPAUL–I assume that you know how to use the internet. So my suggestion is that you visit Obama’s website and READ about the policies most important to you and you will surely find the “substance” you seek.
Posted by: Nikole | May 17, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Obama …the leader of the free world….the beginning of the end …start of a new Dark (no pun intended) Age for the western world.
Posted by: csquan | May 17, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Only one word for Obama:
FOOL
Posted by: Jim Morgan | May 17, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Did Obama people run to Mass general in Boston to cry for Teddy Kennedy yet?
he had campaigned so hard for Obama, at age 76!
Posted by: John | May 17, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
The more I look at the post of majority (I did not say all) of Obama, the more I am convinced that their worldwide is naive one. The only reason why I think he had made it so far is the financial muscle of the far left and undisclosed lobbyist under the guise of the masses; out-spending even the clinton by 2 to 1 or even 3 to 1….think again America : you are putting up someone who cannot be hold a candle to Hillary in the PA debate; let alone negotation with Hamas :-( Looks like the world is in for another Carter years
Posted by: csquan | May 17, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
I have nor seen any Obama supporters at the mass general for Ted Kennedy!
Obama people where are you?
Ted kennedy worked very hard for an empty suit at age 76!
Posted by: John | May 17, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Anybody with a vague understanding of diplomacy knows that dialogue is a bare minimum necessity to move an agenda along. Really, what has the Bush administration accomplished with their alienation strategy, outside of creating a more dangerous atmosphere for Americans and friends abroad? It’s asinine to think you can ignore a problem with the expection of it just going away. There has never been anything wrong with talking…it worked for Regan…go figure. Bush and the Republicans blew it. Dem’s are going to win big this fall and we’ll see some positive changes in the world influenced by America over the next 4 years…a definite 180 degree turn from the past 8 years.
Posted by: mark | May 17, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
The more I look at the post of majority (I did not say all) of Obama supporters, the more I am convinced that their worldview is naive one. The only reason why I think he had made it so far is the financial muscle of the far left and undisclosed lobbyist under the guise of the masses; out-spending even the clinton by 2 to 1 or even 3 to 1….think again America : you are putting up someone who cannot be hold a candle to Hillary in the PA debate; let alone negotation with Hamas :-( Looks like the world is in for another Carter years
Posted by: csquan | May 17, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
First of all I am no doctor, however, I like to use the analogy of finding a solution to combat cancer to relate to our foreign policy of international affairs.
There are many types of cancers. A different type of chemo is required to fight each type of cancers and tumors.
There are tumors that spread from one point in the body. Then spreads to surrounding tissues immediately around the space connecting to the tumor’s site. This type of tumor is similar to WWII where Nazi Germany was invading the countries immediately surrounding the point of the “tumor.”
Then there are cancers that spread through the mechanism of metastasizing. This is similar to what is happening today. Just like someone who is kept healthy, someone is less likely to have the cancer spread to the healthy cells. A totally different chemo is required to fight and cure this type of cancer spreading than compared to a tumor spreading.
I believe the answer to winning the war on terror has to be won by keeping healthy cells healthy, economically and educationally. And realize that the cancer we are facing today is nothing like the tumor of WWII. We need a totally different “chemo” foreign policy than that of WWII.
The first 100 days of the next president should advocate and greatly expand the Peace Corps to reach and help the children of the world. Before the “cancer” of the world enters the lives of children across the world, schools should be built. Perhaps “gated” opportunity communities could be built surrounding these schools. New ideas taught could then be spread economically and politically by the graduates of these schools outside the gates. Some graduates could be hire by Doctors without Borders to relieve sickness in the world. Others could be hired to build clean running water systems, reliable flowing electricity, and more schools.
Our foreign policy should reflect the new type of “cancer” of today. This requires new innovative policies and programs. Otherwise, our foreign policy will not cure the “foreign ills” of the next generation.
Posted by: dave in des moines | May 17, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Did the Obama nation go to the Mass general hospital yet for teddy Kebbedy?
Obama is responsible for his stroke! Obama ran him around at age 76 for his political ego! Now not evne a pay back! HUH!!!
Posted by: John | May 17, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
I just have one question for all the Obama haters, how has using war solved anyone problems, how successful do you really think the war has been? I don’t think it is naive at all to want to try a different tact. If this war and violence worked, why are we still there and why do a lot of people hate us even more? Ok thats two questions! I think the point is to exhaust every possibility, every option, to not do so is irresponsible and immature. So I take it all of you with kids would prefer your children use their fists instead of their voices, EVIL BEGETS EVIL! OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT
Posted by: yaz in California | May 17, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Not sure if the folks who flew those planes into TWIN TOWERS thought about using their voices b4 your planes ???
Posted by: csquan | May 17, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
what about Rev Wright and Michelle ….won’t they the ones who brought us back to 1908 ?
Posted by: csquan | May 17, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
…and so we are obliged to authorize out head of states to talk to terrorist states ?
Posted by: csquan | May 17, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Why are all these bleeding heart liberals coming down on NARAL for exercising freedom of choice?
Posted by: choice | May 17, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
csquan -
I would rather have a President who exhausted every option in keeping us safe, rather than one who refused to do so because of some childish tantrum over those “evil-doers.” Childish temper tantrums tend to lead to unnecessary violence.
Posted by: jock59801 | May 17, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
open the dictionary or look dumb. Appeasement is not talking it is giving away riches or land to payoff the enemy. Like Bush pouring billions of dollars into Iraq for his crusade at our expense and lives. When China calles in the marker he will forclose America to pay the debt.
Posted by: jAY | May 17, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Let’s see, hmmm. Bush advocates strong foreign policy and so does McCain. Ok, obama, I guess therefore McCain = Bush…idiot. I could just as easily say “obama = wright”.
Posted by: Hawk | May 17, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Obama is the candidate of division and change, so lets all rally behind him.
Posted by: BTL musings | May 17, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Just another example of Obama’s flip-flop on issues. Say one thing and then change it when politically expedient. His name was never mentioned and this rush to judgement on the part of him and his campaign advisors highlights his lack of experience, along with providing a fine example of arrogance.
Just a side note: the only reason(s) not to vote for a candidate is because one doesn’t agree with him/her on issues. A vote should have nothing to do with color of skin or gender.
The MSM has anointed Obama and that is an undisputable fact. Anyone who doesn’t see this simply doesn’t want to face facts. Obama has received monumental amounts of good press, while HRC has long been the target of sexist remarks, cartoons, pictures, etc. I’m not saying Obama hasn’t received racist remarks, because it’s true he has. But mostly from deluded individuals and not from the MSM.
When did Obama arise and who is behind his rise to power? He has only about a year of experience as a US Senator; the remainder of his term has been spent campaigning. What has he done for Americans? What is his true agenda (he claims it’s change)? What does he really want to change and how does he propose to do it?
These are questions that deserve answers and I’ve not found those answers yet, and I don’t anticipate they will be forthcoming.
Posted by: Justmy02 | May 17, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Bush sounded like he was channeling Karl Rove. Sure, there is no guarantee that diplomacy will change anyone’s mind. But Bush’s isolation, his “Axis of Evil” corner-backing has not worked either. In fact, North Korea continues to churn out plutonium, in-your-face Iran dumps weapons into Iraq, and Syria supports Hamas and Hezbollah. I don’t think any American wants “appeasement”. But when policies are not working, it simply makes common sense to explore other options like the bilateral diplomacy used by Ronald Regan. My family has always voted Republican, but I want to see more substance before I make up my mind this November.
Posted by: undecided | May 17, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Evidently, according to some people, strong foreign policy means bellicose and uncompromising tone. If you don’t want to talk or compromise then what is “foreign policy”? Just start bombing any time you don’t like what you hear.
Here is the news: There are as many people on the other side as there are like you that scream “appeasement” the moment someone says let’s talk to America or Israel or let’s make peace with them.
A bully always brings out the worst in people. By talking to them, you’ll be stripping the fanatics from their argument and empowering the moderates that will ultimately bring down the radicals.
War is always the absolute last resort and often an unnecessary one.
Posted by: Adam | May 17, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
IT IS THE KIND OF DEBATE I AM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO. I GUESS IT’S GOING TO BE A TOUGH ONE BETWEEN OBAMA AND MCCAIN. BOTH BUSH AND MCCAIN ARE AFRAID OF THIS GUY HE CAN EASILY WIN THEM IN ANY DEBATE.
Posted by: I.A. SMITH | May 17, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
The tragedy is that in all these postings, we are witnessing a new trend of hatred towards an intellectual man who shocked the white majority of his supreme intellectual, moral and political philosophy, which the white majority havent seen before. Some love it and others hate it, but they cant help it……unfortunately.
The progressive youth of America had had enough,,,,time for change..period..
Posted by: Patriot | May 17, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
I thought there was a chance Obama might be able to really create change but since seeing how many people not only won’t vote for him but also how many people actually hate him I don’t think he’ll be any better than Bush.
Posted by: 0900 | May 17, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
If Obama is really interested in “Hope” and “Change” he would start working with his Democrat buddies in concert with McCain, to get more oil from our own sources in Anwar, Montana and North Dakota, and off shore. Cuba is already drilling for oil 60 miles off the Florida coast. The fact the Democrats have been the ones primarily responsible from preventing drilling for more oil here is goes against the security interests of the US. In addition, the new and improved drilling techniques are environmentally safer for the planet than shipping oil overseas from the Middle East. If Obama is really interested diminishing the influence of Middle East and mad men like Akmedinejad have on the US economy and security, Obama would announce his plans to drill for oil here in the US,NOW!!! Not holding my breath.
Posted by: ForCheaperOil | May 17, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
All Bush did at that conference, was to state his administration’s policy regarding “diplomacy” with terror. He stated it – and everybody in the room went wild with applause.
In fact – As Americans, we demand that the president clarify his policy, and state it clearly – it’s something we expect. Unlike Obama, who we can never really be sure with – which is why they got so offended.
How dare the president be so clear and unequivocal when stating his policy !
He stated his policy, thats it. And for this – Democrats take it personally, and get all twisted over it ? What, do they have a problem with candor or something ? Are they offended at his candor ?
We expect our presidents to be clear and unequivocal in stating their policies – I wish Obama would take a cue from this.
Posted by: Water Bored | May 17, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
lois – I thought we were a country of 57 states …oops that was another Obama screw-up. I am with you on FL & MI getting their votes counted – let’s take this all the way to the convention where it belongs!!! Let’s see if Obama will have what it takes to defeat HRC on the convention floor. Obama debate HRC again you coward – the voters have a right to ask the questions this time. Obama needs to prove that he has the debating skills to beat McFlip Flop WITHOUT A SCRIPT!! DNC YOU ARE A JOKE!!
Posted by: fairsuperdelegates08 | May 17, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
what thoughtful remarks, you’d think it was the DNC that was our enemy instead of Iran, Though I am glad know that some people just don’t read the post, watch nightly news, cbs, nbc, fox or any of them, and still lovingly hold misconceptions of Obama’s upbringing and heritage
Posted by: Ethan | May 17, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Obama is it getting hot in the kitchen? Then its time to get out before you realy get burned. McCain has a fire just waiting for you.
Go Hillary!
Posted by: slokipoki | May 17, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
God, I HATE how misinformed some of the people are on here! Some of the accusations people make are RIDICULOUS! Closet Muslim? Are you f***ing KIDDING me?! Man, you people are stupid and GULLIBLE!
Posted by: ChristianH | May 17, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
Barack Obama has a lot to answer for!
He has stated that he will bomb our
ally, Pakistan, if necessary in the pursuit of Osama Bin Laden!
He also stated that he would speak to
the leaders of Iran, Syria, and Venezuela without pre-conditions!
H would talk to our enemies and bomb our allies.
He also claims that the “war on terror’
is an exercise in “fear-mongering”!
There are relatives of the 9/11 victims in New York and DC who would beg to differ with the Senator!
These views alone show that Obama is not
qualified to be “commander-in-chief”
of this country!
Posted by: reaganfan | May 18, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
David most of your post is Nonsense!
First of all U.N. resolutions were
passed against Iraq and economic sanctions were tried against Iraq before
the Congress(Democrats and Republicans)
voted to give Bush the Authority to go
to war with Iraq!
Iraq’s WMD were repeatedly mentioned by
President Clinton when he was in office!
The president and the Congress, Hillary
Clinton included all believed that
Sadam Still had WMD’s!
After what happened on 9/11 we could not take the chance of Sadam Hussein
giving WMD’s to terrorist groups or giving them the technology to make them!
By the way Bill Clinton negotiated
one on one with North Korea during his
administration! While they were
having a dialogue with the North Koreans
the North Koreans continued to build their nuclear facilities!
One on One negotiations with countries
who wish to do us harm without pre-conditions is a sham and is ineffective!
Posted by: reaganfan | May 18, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
The APPEASEMENT analogy president Bush makes portrays Iran, which does not have nuclear weapons, as the Germany of 1938 ready to attack; Israel, with a couple of hundred A- and H-bombs, as the defenceless Czechoslovakia on the brink of collapse; and USA, with its thousands of nuclear weapons and troops and military bases surrounding Iran, as the cornered Great Britain watching helplessly Hitler’s (Ahmadinejad’s) aggression.
Well; what is wrong with that picture?
Hello. Anybody home?
Why is Bush getting away with making such an absurd comparison between now and 1939?
Posted by: Aren Haich | May 18, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
I rather have a president that has things in common with President Bush than one that has things in common with: comunists like Che Guevara, Agitators such Rev. Wright, Farakan, Ayres, etc. Need I say more?? I rather have Hillary in the White House.
Posted by: flybarb | May 18, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Why isn’t this a lead story on ABC’s website, instead of all the creep-show and fluff garbage theiy put out as ‘news’? Compare this “Department of Homeland Security” (an umbrella agency with several departments) and the old German Gestapo.
Here is the wikipedia definition of Gestapo. See if the likeness isn’t striking to Bushes “DHS” (Department of Homeland Security”):
Here is the description of Gestapo : (quote): “The Gestapo (contraction of Geheime Staatspolizei: “Secret State Police”) was the official secret police of Nazi Germany. Under the overall administration of the (SS), Schuetzstaffel, it was administered by the “Reichssicherheitshauptamt”(RSHA) (“head office of the reich (national or imperial) security service”) and was considered a dual organization of the Sicherheitsdienst (SD) (“security service”) and also a suboffice of the Sicherheitspolizei (SIPO) (“security police”).
Excuse my anger and suspicion,being an American who grew up despising this model of State intrusiveness, but to a lot of us who grew up under the old Constitutional model of government, Bush’s DHS creation seems to bear a striking resemblance to and behavior similar to the old Gestapo, whose main function was to police Germany’s citizens to be sure they didn’t betray the Fatherland (Homeland).”
The Republicans have become the party of un-American ‘blitzkrieg’ overseas and un-American spying on our own citizens here at home. I can’t help seeing the goose-stepping in this Administration and it is not the country I grew up in.
Posted by: Repubsareunamerican | May 18, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Hey Reganfun, change your name to cluelessfun. Are you in denial like the rest of the democrats. “There were not WMD” Iran does not have Nuclear weapons?Have you been listening to the news lately? Oh, I forgot, you watch CNN and read USA Today and NY Times. YOU ARE informed.
Somebody is home, you just can’t see the lights.
Posted by: flybarb | May 18, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Sally,
FAIRMONGERING – YOU CONTROL FREEK ! OBAMA, DID NOT HIRE ME! I HAVE MY OWN MIND. FOR A FEMANIST, YOUR CHOICE OF EMBRACING “SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF FEMALES” AND HILLARY WHO PROVIDED SUPPORT AND DEFENCE FOR SUCH EXPLOITERS – MUST BE EXPOSED ! HOW CAN YOU TOLERATE “ESXUAL EXPLOITATION OF FEMALES” AND “SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF SUBORDINATES?”
MY ISSUE WITH ALL THE “FEMINISTS” IN HILLARY’S CAMP, “WILL YOU SEND YOUR CHILD TO DO AN INTERNSHIP IN HILLARY’S OVAL OFFICE, KNOWING THAT THE EXPERIENCED AND PROFESSIONAL “FIRST HUSBAND,” IS RIGHT THERE READY AND WILLING TO HELP? Or is it a “RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY?” or may be “IT IS NO BODY’S
BUSINESS !” Sincerely, Lake Hart, a Native American Writer.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 18, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
Lake Hart, you are giving Native Americans a bad name. I remember you from another blog, where you made some very bigoted remarks about Catholics. As Abraham Lincoln once said, “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to speak and remove all doubt.”
Posted by: Lake Hart Is An Embarrassment | May 18, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
Sally,
Like you give a damn about NA. Know your history and the relationship of Abraham Lincoln to Native Americans – Indian Removal Act. You and yours must accept changes, it is the only way to move ahead and to unite Americans. The only bigoted remarks about Catholics were: “We, as individuals cannot be held responsible for some one else’s actions like the Catholic Priests sexually abusing innocent children.” Please do not try to teach me morals. Look in the mirror there are facts to the Native American Truth – read “NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC” Jamestown THE REAL STORY May 2007 – look in the mirror and you will see who is an embarrassment to whom. Sincerely, Lake Hart, a Native American Writer.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 18, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
I am afraid that Obama doesn’t engage in Townhall debates with McCain because he can only stutter when speaking impromptu. There are now too many examples of it. I am concerned that the media wants Obama so much that they are blinded to him as an empty vessel. He can deliver a prepared speech, but it usually has little substance and he isn’t good thinking on his feet.
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