By Jaketapper

May 18, 2008 8:36pm

Obama Hammers McCain on Lobbyists; McCain Fires Back on Ayers

"It appears that John McCain is very much a creature of Washington," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said today in Milwaukie, Oregon, in response to news stories about the 5th lobbyist to leave McCain’s campaign amidst what has become a sort of lobbyist purge.

"And one of the things that we have said at the outset of this campaign is that if we are going to change policies, if we are going to deliver on universal healthcare or have an energy policy that over the long term could bring down gas prices, that we were going to have to change how Washington works," Obama said. "We can’t have special interests dictating what’s happening there. And that’s why I said at the beginning I wouldn’t take PAC money and I wouldn’t take money from federal lobbyists."

Obama went on: "And it does appear that over the last several weeks John McCain keeps on having problems with his top advisers being lobbyists — in some cases for foreign governments or other big interests that are doing business in Washington," the Democrat said. "That I don’t think represents the kind of change that the American people are looking for."

The McCain campaign fired back, with spokesman Tucker Bounds going after Obama for his relationship with former Weather Underground member William Ayers. Given former President Bill Clinton’s commutation of the prison sentences of two of the former members of the domestic terrorist organization, Ayers hasn’t gotten a lot of play in recent days.

But McCain clearly intends to make a campaign issue out of his and Obama’s relationship.

Bounds said that "just a few years ago when Barack Obama was beginning his career in politics he was launching it at the home of William Ayers, an unrepentant domestic terrorist who his chief strategist said Senator Obama was certainly friendly with.  If Barack Obama is going to make associations the issue, we look forward to the debate about Senator Obama’s associations and what they say about his judgment and readiness to be commander in chief."

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The McCain Lobbyist Purge began about a week ago, after McCain’s campaign parted ways with two senior members of the team who had worked for a firm that had lobbied in the past for Burma.

Doug Goodyear was McCain’s liaison to run the GOP convention this Summer in Minnesota, but both he and Doug Davenport, the former regional McCain campaign manager for the mid-Atlantic states, last week  vamoosed because of their work for DCI Group, which once had Burma (nee Myanmar) as a client.

But as we pointed out in that May 12 blog post, Josh Gerstein of the New York Sun had noted that other McCainiacs had lobbied for other nations whose leaders may not be taking any direct flights to Valhalla come Judgment Day. Specifically, McCain campaign national finance co-chair Tom Loeffler had lobbied for Saudi Arabia and senior adviser Charlie Black had chaired the BKSH & Associates lobbying firm when it had the China National Offshore Oil Corporation, which is largely state owned, as a client.

Since McCain has worked hard on campaign finance reform and has worked hard to promote himself as a reformer in the tradition of Teddy Roosevelt, this created some problems for him. And reportedly, the Senator was angry that this has happened. On May 15, McCain announced that campaign staffers "will be thoroughly, more thoroughly, vetted, and we’ll make sure that that is the case," and campaign manager Rick Davis announced a new "Conflict Policy":

"1.) No person working for the Campaign may be a registered lobbyist or foreign agent, or receive compensation for any such activity.

"2.) Part-time volunteers for the Campaign must disclose to the Campaign any status as registered lobbyists or foreign agents. Such persons are prohibited from involvement in any Campaign policy-making on the subjects on which they are registered, including service on policy task forces or participation in policy discussions on those subjects.  Such persons are also prohibited from lobbying Senator McCain or his Senate personal office or committee staffs during the period they are volunteering for the campaign.

"3.) No person with a McCain Campaign title or position may participate in a 527 or other independent entity that makes public communications that support or oppose any presidential candidate.

"4.) No vendor to the McCain Campaign may also be a vendor to a 527 or other independent entity that makes public communications that support or oppose any presidential candidate without a pre-approved firewall pursuant to FEC regulations.

"5.) Senator McCain has also announced that it will be his policy that anyone serving in a McCain Administration must commit not to lobby the Administration during his presidency."

One day after this memo, it was reported that Craig Shirley, on McCain’s Virginia Leadership Team, had in fact worked on an anti-Hillary Clinton 527, in direct violation of Conflict Policy rule No. 3.

Two days later, Newsweek added to what Gerstein had reported, noting that not only had Loeffler lobbied for the Saudis, he had told a reporter "at no time have I discussed my clients with John McCain" though lobbying disclosure forms indicated that Loeffler had listed a May 2006 meeting with the Saudi ambassador and McCain with the notation: "discuss US-Kingdom of Saudi Arabia relations." Moreover, Loeffler’s firm began paying $15,000 a month to Susan Nelson, one of its lobbyists, after she left the firm to become McCain’s finance director.

Sunday morning, Politico’s tireless Mike Allen reported that Loeffler resigned. Combined with the others and the sayonara of McCain campaign energy adviser Eric Burgeson, at least five McCain aides or advisers have resigned within the last few days in this Lobbyist Purge.

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The McCain campaign is now heralding the fact that it has the most restrictive lobbying policy of any of the three candidates in the race.

Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign says it does not allow registered federal lobbyists to work on his campaign. It does not have a policy about 527 groups.

You may recall Obama used to say that lobbyists would never work in his White House. Then last December he suddenly flip-flopped on that pledge, saying instead they wouldn’t run his White House. Notably, an Obama TV ad in Iowa replayed an excerpt from his well-received speech to the Iowa Democratic party’s Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinner in which he railed against lobbyists — but the ad removed the mid-sentence clause from his speech in which he said lobbyists "will not get a job in my White House."

The Obama campaign claimed they’d made the cut purely for time, though it happened to coincide with his flip-flop on that very clause.

- jpt

User Comments

Tucker hobbles on battered and bruised.
He has now written off Clinton and endorsed McCain…the circus goes on.

Posted by: Jill | May 18, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

Obama can’t afford to play this game. Does the Obama campaign really want us to judge the candidates by the company they keep???

Posted by: NJH | May 18, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

It’s time to take a scrutiny of BO’s career before the consideration of him for the top post in the country.
His scandals in his short career of being a national senator tells us that he is dangerously obscure. There are lots of things undercover that the liberal media is hiding from us.

Posted by: John_Lai | May 18, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

This is a joke. McCain has so much garbage in his past and his henchmen point to Ayers? Ayers in not on Barack Obama’s payroll, nor was he ever an advisor. He has fully disclosed his relationship with Ayers and that was to attend a farewell fundraising event at Ayers house for the woman whose State Senate seat he ran for, and he served on a board of directors for a non-profit charitable (the Republicans don’t understand non-profit charitable) organization that developed programs for the poor communities of Chicago. Give me a break.

Posted by: Judy | May 18, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm

I’ll take Obama’s past any day over McCain’s. Obama didn’t dispose of a wife to marry a woman whose family has huge mafia ties. Obama had nothing to do with scandals such as the Keating 5. Obama has not had an affair with a lobbyist. And Obama doesn’t seek the endorsements of pastors that truly spew hate such as Rev. Hagee and Parsley. And, if you want to look at his military career, look at his grades at the Naval Academy and how many planes he drove to the ground (5).

Posted by: walterb | May 18, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

John McCain’s website tells visitors “Too often the special interest lobbyists with the fattest wallets and best access carry the day.” It sounds like a compelling sentiment from a one-time reformer, and might even be impressive, just so long as you don’t peek behind the curtain”
Yet he surrounds himself with lobbyist. At least two of McCain’s top advisers lobby; Ex-Texas Representative Tom Loeffler and Sen. Slade Gorton.
Loeffler’s client list includes PhRMA, the drug industry association; Southwest Airlines; Toyota; and Martin Marietta. Gorton represents, among others, Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corp., Weyerhaeuser and Fidelity National Financial.
David Crane, now the campaign’s senior policy advisor, was a senior executive at The Washington Group, a firm with 2006 billings of $10.4 million and 52 clients, including Delta Airlines, the Association of American Railroads, and the governments of Panama and Bangladesh.
Charlie Black, who is now a campaign spokesman appearing on McCain’s behalf on radio, television, and as a “spin-doctor” after debates, is chairman of BKSH & Associates, with lobbying billings of $7.6 million in 2006, representing J.P. Morgan, Occidental and General Motors.
11 current or former lobbyists working for or advising McCain.
Among the current and former lobbyists working for McCain are: Campaign CEO Rick Davis, a partner at Davis Manafort, where his clients have included SBC Communications and Verizon; and former Davis Manafort associate, National eCampaign Director Christian Ferry. At the end of 2006, Mike Dennehy, who founded The Dennehy Group, a New Hampshire lobbying firm, was appointed McCain’s national political director. He gave up that post in May to become a senior campaign advisor

Posted by: Vanessa | May 18, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

Haha.
Is the McCain camp so desperate already?
At this stage? Shouldn’t they try to play that laughable Ayers card in October or so?
Or is McCain ONLY able of playing Alzheimer cards?
What a lousy campaign… piece of cake in comparison to the Clinton Machine. Axelrod and Co are lauging out loud about this “defense”.

Posted by: hank | May 18, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

Obama- an Antichrist We Can Believe In
Consider his sexual rockstar status among young voters, his ability to continuously lie without impunity, his connections to mob members and terrorist both real and wannabes. His strong and unscrupulous desire for raw power, at any cost, regardless what it does to others, (he became senator simply by disqualifying his opponents). His empty words and changing promises, his desire to be friends with those who wish to destroy us. His wife Michele has expressed her hatred for this country and has publicly announced her husband as the messiah.
The voodoo of this all is that Teflon Obama remains unscathed by all his nefarious connections and thug like history. He is worshiped not only blindly by the mindless masses, but by the fearful media.
I am not very religious, but I think Nostradamus got it right again. What is God going to think of all the lemmings that follow a man of darkness?

Posted by: Peter Carlton | May 18, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm

This is going to get NASTY!!Obama’s playing with the big boys, let’s see how long he lasts!

Posted by: CD | May 18, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

Peter Carlton,
in any nuthouse they’ll lend you an ear.
But not here.

Posted by: hasselblad | May 18, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

obama supporters on here now and those to come:
first of all-if obama were on parole you would pull at any straw to defend him-sad
second-obama will not be pampered by the rep. if you think sen. clinton is a dirty fighter-you haven’t seen anything of what the rep. are going to do to obama.
third-before you keep defending him-and seeing him as the second coming-better get the hope and change out of you ears and eyes and look ou emil jones, alice palmer, the chicago combine.
so you can know in the future how to spin whatever web he is in.
and while you are at it go ahead and look up larry sinclair and donald young because the rep have and will use them in any way they can. and don’t let the three loses recently fool you.

Posted by: jgaw | May 18, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

Obviously, the McCain camp is comparing apples to oranges in an effort to cloud people’s mind. Let’s keep the focus on the here and now. The crooks working for him is in the present and that is a HUGE conflict of interest. The straight talk express has definitely lost it’s “bearing”.

Posted by: concerned | May 18, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

I’m a Democrat.
But, I don’t think that McCain should be held to these extraordinary standards.
Obama’s New Hampshire Campaign Chair was a lobbyist. He has informal advisors who were or are lobbyists.
I think we should stop making a huge deal about this.
I think records should matter, policies should matter. Too much guilt-by-association is just ridiculous.

Posted by: Joan | May 18, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Its an evident fact that Democratic Voters did not give him a clear victory. As a matter of fact Hillary won almost all Democratic states, but by sheer luck he muscled enough delegates from Red states. Hence he is ahead.
So its a fact that Obama is going to win because of the Super Delegates, all of whom are “Creatures of Washington”
All of them have taken support of the lobyists in their past. And will take in the future.
So whom is he going to change in his own supporters and backers. Would he be willing to call all his super delegates the “Creatures of Washington”?
And what he would do if in one of the debates he is asked this question? As far as I am concerned I am going to send this to News channels.

Posted by: allah | May 18, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

Its an evident fact that Democratic Voters did not give him a clear victory. As a matter of fact Hillary won almost all Democratic states, but by sheer luck he muscled enough delegates from Red states. Hence he is ahead.
So its a fact that Obama is going to win because of the Super Delegates, all of whom are “Creatures of Washington”
All of them have taken support of the lobyists in their past. And will take in the future.
So whom is he going to change in his own supporters and backers. Would he be willing to call all his super delegates the “Creatures of Washington”?
And what he would do if in one of the debates he is asked this question? As far as I am concerned I am going to send this to News channels.

Posted by: WhoAreSuperDelegates | May 18, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

Lobbyist working on your campaign and representing dictators, as apposed to working on a board for a charitable organization that Ayers happens to be on too.
It doesn’t add up.

Posted by: Thinking | May 18, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

All three of the candidates have had lobbyists in key positions so this is one of those issues where all three are nothing more than “old politics”.

Posted by: alpaig | May 18, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

The GOP is as toast as never before.
After Obama’s 75,000 rally in Portland:
‘Audience members — including some Republicans — said afterward Obama had scored points with them in his Saturday address.
Mike Croning, 54, a registered Republican, said he is “strongly leaning” toward backing Obama in November.
“He’s a Kennedy-esque type of person. He’s a thoughtful person,” said Croning, a financial planner. “I don’t think he’s the old-style partisan politics.”
Roseburg dentist Bill Schuyler, 62, said he’s been a Republican all his life but now is backing Obama.
“He’s the most honest candidate we’ve had. He speaks what he believes,” Schuyler said.
What about Sen. John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee?
“He’s a little too old. I’d like to see someone younger in there,” Schuyler said of the 71-year-old senator. ‘

Posted by: Sense | May 18, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm

I hope all Clinton supporters will vote independent. We need to make a point.

Posted by: Ken | May 18, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

harley peyton,
the 75thousand showed up because of what they heard he had done for the
5thousand.
and i would not believe anything msnbc had to say if they were standing out in my front yard reporting it.

Posted by: jgaw | May 18, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

75,000 people came to hear Obama, and millions stayed home and will vote for McCain. So have fun while it lasts.
Yawn.

Posted by: Jo | May 18, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

Well, well, well.
There will be a lot of immigration come November ’08…Clintonians who are just too sore at their loses will be too bitter to live under President Obama.

Posted by: Bertha | May 18, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

Sense,
That report found 3 republicans who want Obama, and on this you hang all your hopes? LOL.

Posted by: Jo | May 18, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

Jake, what about the illuminating new Washington Post article about Hillary’s radical ties?
Here’s a fragment -
” “She’s a hypocrite,” Doris B. Walker, 89, who was a member of the American Communist Party, said in an interview last week. “She had to know who we were and what kinds of cases we were handling. We had a very left-wing reputation, including civil rights, constitutional law, racist problems.”
Malcolm Burnstein, 74, a partner at the firm who worked closely with Clinton during her internship, said he was traveling in Pennsylvania in April when Clinton attacked Obama for his past interactions with William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, members of Students for a Democratic Society who went on to found the bomb-making Weather Underground.
“Given her background, it was quite hypocritical,” Burnstein said. “I almost called the Philadelphia Inquirer. I saw what she and her campaign were saying about Ayers and I thought, ‘Well, if you’re going to talk about that totally bit of irrelevant nonsense, I’ll talk about your career with us.’ ”
In her campaign for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination, Clinton has said little about her experiences in the tumultuous late 1960s and early 1970s, including her involvement with student protests and her brief internship at the law firm, Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein. She has said she worked on a child custody case, although former partners recall her likely involvement in conscientious objector cases and a legal challenge to a university loyalty oath.
But her decision to target Obama’s radical connections has spurred criticism from some former protest movement leaders who say she has opened her own associations to scrutiny.
“The very things she’s accusing Barack of could be said of her with much greater evidence,” said Tom Hayden, a leading anti-Vietnam War activist, author and self-described friend of the Clintons. “

Posted by: rattle | May 18, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

I’d prefer a candidate who has relationships with lobbyists, than one who has relationships with terrorists. So would most Americans.

Posted by: Jo | May 18, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

rattle,
The firm Hillary worked at, short term, would be more apt to be described as a civil liberties/criminal defense law firm. Note, she was defending the constitutional rights of those accused of crimes. In so doing, she was protecting the constitutional rights of all citizens.
Do you understand that the criminal defense attorney keeps the system honest and stands between democracy and due process and tyranny?
There is a huge difference between being a lawyer who defendds those charged with crimes and someone, like Obama, who consulted with, socialized with, sat on boards with a known, home grown terrorist who to this day states “we did not do enough.”

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 18, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

With all the attention focused on Obama, the danger is that Hillary is slowly but surely getting mad. This week we saw how dangerously close to lunacy she is these days.
Hillary once again attacked Barack Obama on the issue of experience Tuesday, this time questioning the Illinois senator’s ability to effectively smile, make appropriate eye contact, and offer sufficiently delicious finger foods when welcoming visiting world leaders.
“My opponent has never greeted foreign dignitaries such as the Japanese Minister of Forestry and Fisheries, as I had the opportunity to do when I was first lady,” Clinton said, adding that she has an extensive background in both double-clasped hand shakes and idle small talk with political luminaries from several nations.
“Do the American people really want a president who doesn’t know when it’s appropriate to gesture toward a chair, indicating where a head of state should be seated?”
At a previous speech in Indianapolis, Clinton had challenged Obama’s ability to create a health-care reform initiative that would ultimately fail and hand Congress over to the Republicans in an electoral landslide, as she did in 1993.

Posted by: grass | May 18, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

Bertha,
I am not worried at all and will not be going anywhere. If Hillary is no the nominee, many of her supporters will be lining up to work for McCain.
Watch it happen!

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 18, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

Oh Grass!!! You killed me with your post.
I haven’t laughed this hard in years.
Gracias!!!

Posted by: Teresa | May 18, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Grass, I just had to return once more to copy your post and email it to my sister.
It is a gem.

Posted by: Teresa | May 18, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

Don’t listen to them. They threaten to vote McCain in November to scare the DNC into nominating Hillary.
Once emotions and tempers are calmed, Hillary supporters will come around and vote Obama.
Especially women. Once they hear McCain stance on abortion, the economy, health care and Iraq.
You all will come around.
So go on and threaten. It’s not working. Obama will be the nominee.

Posted by: Vanessa | May 18, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

“Concerned’s” rants, myths and smears without evidence about Obama suitably end with a quotation from Nostradamus. A nutter.

Posted by: O. R. Raymond | May 18, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

Vanessa; I’m right behind you!
The smears are not working and people who call Obama anti-Christ are only sounding more and more ridiculous.
Sense; your post demonstrates the failure of the right-wing and Clintonian smear campaign:
Obama rally today; 75,000.
Previous Obama record; 35,000 according to NYT.
The grassroots movement goes on inspite of the smears.
OBAMA ‘O8

Posted by: Jill | May 18, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm

Obama’s association with Ayres will be definite and consistent target for McCain. This will not go away. It is very personal. While McCain was a POW for those 5 years, Ayres was the ringleader of the Weathermen, planning the bombing of police stations, the Pentagon, banks, and even a military dance with Army servicemen present.
Ironic that Obama would not denounce and reject Ayres especially after the statement “I don’t regret setting bombs… I feel we should have done more.”
Does Obama have this same tolerence and understanding for young black kids charged with drug offenses in Illinois? No way. Here is a list of the legislation he supported while in the IL senate, all mandating increased sentences for drug offenses:
In an August 19, 2004 entry on Obama’s website he bragged about being tough on drugs:
During 8 years in the state senate, Senator Obama has repeatedly voted for tougher penalties for drug offenders. [HB 3387, 5/13/03; P.A. 93-0546; SB 1793, 3/21/03; P.A. 93-0223; HB 2347, 5/6/99; P.A. 91-0336; HB 3170, 5/7/98; P.A. 90-0674; HB 1278, 5/14/99; P.A. 91-0403; SB 0105, 3/23/99; P.A. 91-0263; HB 2843, 5/20/03; P.A. 93-0596; 93rd GA, SB 2447, 3/25/04; P.A. 93-0884; SB 1578, 3/24/03; P.A. 93-0297; SB1028, 4/2/98; SB 1028, 5/19/98, SC HA1,4; P.A. 90-0775; HB 0070, 5/16/97; P.A. 90-0382; HB 2844, 5/13/03; P.A. 93-0340; HB 3073, 4/4/00; P.A. 91-0802; HB 0252, 5/7/99; P.A. 91-0366; HB 5652, 5/9/02; SB 1332, 2/24/00; P.A. 91-0899; HB 4245, 5/7/02; P.A. 92-0698; SB 0014, 5/20/97, SC HA1; P.A. 90-0397; SB 0003, 4/6/01; HB 2015, 5/9/97; P.A. 90-0164; SB 1011, 4/5/01; SB 1224, 3/24/98; HB 2030, 5/15/97; P.A. 90-0557]
Ayres is definitely fodder for the Republican attack machine and will not play well with most Americans. It feeds into Wright’s anti-American ravings and also Obama’s communist mentor back in Hawaii.
Does Obama like or respect anyone “normal”? Why does his coterie of friends look like a political freak show??
He is a hypocrit; he consistently voted to increase drug sentences in IL and also voted to try children as adults there. I guess in his warped view, political crimes get a free pass, but if you are a kid and commit a crime you go to adult prison and if you use drugs, you should do hard time, except, of course, he is the drug user.

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 18, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

Vanessa,
No offense to you, but I will never support Obama. I find him to be a fraud, too inexperienced and prone to very weird associations that most people find un-American, or really anti-American. He scares me.

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 18, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm

Nothing is more hilarious than a guy who comes from the cesspool of dirty politics like Chicago, saying he’ll clean up DC.
And only fools would buy it.
Posted by: No’bama | May 18, 2008 10:15:17 PM
It’s even funnier to see fools advocating rewarding any republican for ruining America with high gas, food and various other prices. In fact the Iraq war is the republican tax that will have us all paying high prices for ecerything for decades to come.

Posted by: LG | May 18, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

“75,000 came to hear Obama, and millions stayed home and will vote for McCain”
Erm, Jo. You realize that’s a contradiction in terms, yes? Cuz if they stay home….?
Maybe the yawn portends a nap.

Posted by: Harley Peyton | May 18, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

As a supporter of McCain’s, I am getting a little weary of what seems to be some amount of pompousness on his part. Why do you need a policy announcement on May 15. For a person who is high integrity this is something he should have started with when he started his Presidential Campaign, not now.
It seems he is always playing catch up on things he should not be. And then he adopts a holier than thou attitude. For such a seasoned campaigner such as him, it is little solace to say that on May 15 he has a most restrictive policy.
C’mon this is your strength McCain. Show it.

Posted by: Rocky | May 18, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm

Clintonians failed at the polls and now they are turning to fear mongering.
Obama’s anti-christ! “He scares me”! He’s too weird…
Change is always bothersome to some more than others.
THANK GOD WE IGNORE THE FEAR MONGERING. IF WE HADN’T WOMEN WOULD STILL BE UNABLE TO VOTE AND BLACKS WOULD STILL BE SITTING AT THE BACK OF BUSES.

Posted by: Martha | May 18, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

Speaking of Chicago:
And McCain is well prepared:
“The Republican National Committee has amassed a 1,000-page dossier on Mr Obama, with researchers spending weeks in Chicago seeking fresh material.”

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 18, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

Its an evident fact that Democratic Voters did not give him a clear victory. As a matter of fact Hillary won almost all Democratic states, but by sheer luck he muscled enough delegates from Red states. Hence he is ahead.
So its a fact that Obama is going to win because of the Super Delegates, all of whom are “Creatures of Washington”
All of them have taken support of the lobyists in their past. And will take in the future.
So whom is he going to change in his own supporters and backers. Would he be willing to call all his super delegates the “Creatures of Washington”?
And what he would do if in one of the debates he is asked this question? As far as I am concerned I am going to send this to News channels.
Posted by: WhoAreSuperDelegates | May 18, 2008 9:42:32 PM
Of course you know your logic is flawed. Clinton would need even more superdelegates than Obama to become the nominee due to her lack of pledge delegates.

Posted by: LG | May 18, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

Martha,
The real problem I see is that Obama got less than 50% of the votes thus far in the primaries, and in many states that will be red in the fall. Without Clinton supporters, he is nowhere. Do you realize that? It is not enough to carry the AA and “creative class” and youngsters.
Sorry.

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 18, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

I guess Bill is coming round…: the following is from a NYT reader;
“I have just returned home from the Nevada Democratic Convention in Reno. Hundreds of Hlliary delegates did not bother to show up. Because of that, Barack increased his delegation to the DNC convention from 13-12 to 14-11.
Bill showed up to give his pitch for the Mrs., but resigned himself to talking about party unity and only mentioned “electabillity” once and “Hilliary” twice. He looked saddend, expecting that “the lady” will soon sing.
There is a need for Hillary fans to soon get over it and work on stopping John McCain from extending the Bush years to 2012.
— Posted by Fongdh”

Posted by: Janice | May 18, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

Count: Red, Blue whatever…Repubs are already losing rabidly red states in special elections.
PS: Remember to send a memo to the DP reminding them to exclude “red” states from the primaries next time.

Posted by: Martha | May 18, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

Martha,
My point is that overwhelmingly red states will remain red. Do you really think Obama can change that dynamic? He cannot even convince Hillary supporters, many of whom have been lifelong democrats.

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 18, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

Quotes from wise women:
“When people look at the arc of the campaign, it will be seen that being a woman, in the end, was not a detriment and if anything it was a help to her,” the presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin said in an interview. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign is faltering, she added, because of “strategic, tactical things that have nothing to do with her being a woman.”
“As a former first lady whose political career evolved from her husband’s, Mrs. Clinton was always an imperfect test case for female achievement. “Somebody’s wife,” as Elaine Kamarck, a professor of government at Harvard and a Clinton supporter, described her.”
- I am fed up of men thinking women are too emotionally distraught to vote for Obama in Nov.

Posted by: Janice | May 18, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

Vanessa,
No offense to you, but I will never support Obama. I find him to be a fraud, too inexperienced and prone to very weird associations that most people find un-American, or really anti-American. He scares me.
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 18, 2008 10:49:04 PM
So you want us to reward the republicans for ruining Amerca by staying home or voting for McCain? Sure that’s the smart thing to do!

Posted by: LG | May 18, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

A guy who married into the same Arizona mob that blew up an Arizona Republic reporter wants to talk about association because he had to fire his fifth staff lobbyist in one week? I’ve never said McCain was too old. I’ve always said he’s just not the person anyone could want as president.

Posted by: kravitz | May 18, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Obama- an Antichrist We Can Believe In
Consider his sexual rockstar status among young voters, his ability to continuously lie without impunity, his connections to mob members and terrorist both real and wannabes. His strong and unscrupulous desire for raw power, at any cost, regardless what it does to others, (he became senator simply by disqualifying his opponents). His empty words and changing promises, his desire to be friends with those who wish to destroy us. His wife Michele has expressed her hatred for this country and has publicly announced her husband as the messiah.
The voodoo of this all is that Teflon Obama remains unscathed by all his nefarious connections and thug like history. He is worshiped not only blindly by the mindless masses, but by the fearful media.
I am not very religious, but I think Nostradamus got it right again. What is God going to think of all the lemmings that follow a man of darkness?
Posted by: Peter Carlton | May 18, 2008 9:20:03 PM
With no legitmate arguement you are reduced to fear mongering like too many republicans.

Posted by: LG | May 18, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

Ayers has NOTHING to do with the Obama campaign but lobbyists have EVERYTHING to do with the McCain campaign.

Posted by: maritza | May 18, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

It’s obvious that there’s no changing your mind countallthevotes. But all the trends are against your argument.
Dems turned out in double and triple the numbers of Repubs in the primaries. And while the Repub base hates their candidate, we Dems are VERY motivated to put our candidate (whichever great one it is) in the White House.
We’ve lost only by the thinnest thread in the past two presidential elections and all the polls are indicating that Republicans are toxic. The proof has just been demonstrated by the recent Repub Congressional seats taken by Dems. Repub incompetence and graft have sunk their own ship. Americans long for a party that can balance a budget, restore our status in the world, establish a coherent energy policy, etc. etc.
Either Dem nominee who loses in the primary will throw all their support behind the winner.
This Nov. the Dems are taking the White House and increasing our majorities in Congress. It’s gonna be a landslide and it’s gonna be GREAT!

Posted by: Ben | May 18, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

I saw that McCain’s chief strategist is Charles Black, who started out as a Nixon Dirty Trickster in 1972. Roger Ailes at Fox was also part of that slimy class of ’72. Now those once young slimebags are distinguished old slimebags in GOP ranks. Looks like they will preside over the demise of the GOP. How fitting.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | May 18, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm

Kravitz, let’s get him/her some whiskey and a bed in an armoury.
I voted Clinton in CA and will sure as hell vote for Obama this fall.
I can’t fathom McCain in the Whitehouse.

Posted by: Andrea | May 18, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm

It’s time to take a scrutiny of BO’s career before the consideration of him for the top post in the country.
His scandals in his short career of being a national senator tells us that he is dangerously obscure. There are lots of things undercover that the liberal media is hiding from us.
Posted by: John_Lai | May 18, 2008 9:03:45 PM
Tell us how you feel about the scandals perpetrated by bush? They include but are not limited to the Iraq war, high fuel prices, firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons, prosecuting the democratic govenor of alabama for political reasons etc. And let me guess you want us to reward the republicans by voting for them, right?

Posted by: LG | May 18, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

McCain will be president of 50 States… Obama can have the 7 left over. Perhaps BO lost his bearings when he said that.
Obama likes to say one thing and then define it later on… remember NAFTA? He now is “nuancing” his previous stance on lobbyists.
This past weekend Obama hammered McCain on a supposed flip-flop on dealing with Hamas… which was a bald-faced lie from the reporter. Check you facts next time… befor you use faulty info then whine that the press is giving McCain a pass… if that’s not the pot calling the kettle… well nevermind.
How’s that for having the “claws come out”, “sweetie”!

Posted by: smartprimate | May 18, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

All politicians have connections with, and in some cases, long standing relationships with paid lobbyists. Unless there is evidence that the relationship affects the public in a negative fashion, it should not be an issue. Raising the spector of misconduct, where none exists, is dishonorable.

Posted by: texasdemocrat | May 19, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

McCain does not seem to know what everyone else knows, his campaign is completely run and funded by lobbyist.

Posted by: Deward Bowles | May 19, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am

I had always been opposed to lobbyists. For the past three years I have been a Board member of a professional, non-profit group. We were very much wooed by unions hoping we would affiliate. Their main pitch to us is that they have hundreds of paid lobbyists!!! That is primarily what they talked about. So funny to see Obama who is so opposed to lobbyists then turn around and seek and accept the support and endorsement of unions. Where does he think the lion’s share of union dues go?
As it turned out we did not affiliate with any union. We found them to be heavy handed and did not want to loose our autonomy as professionals. The organization was just too new. Instead, we hired our own lobbyist. It has been the best investment we ever made. The lobbyist is our eyes and ears at the legislature and really knows what bills, if any, would impact our professional lives. He also, of course, has opened doors for us as to meetings and hearings we could not obtain on our own.
Upshot, you cannot paint all lobbyists with such a broad brush. Most are true professionals and have a developed expertise. As I said, we are a professional organization and we did try to go it alone. We found that we were spinning our wheels showing up at sessions that were totally unrelated to our interests and through our ineptitude probably causing more damage than anything else.

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 19, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am

Again, McCain is not too old. He’s just the wrong old guy to run the country. His lobbyists know that. That’s why they’ll run it for him. All he has to do is be able to sign his name.
And oh. Nice Kos post 9/518073 on McCain opposing a bill that would protect abortion clinics from bombings. You see, there’s a guy named Don Bolles, murdered by the Arizona mob. Connected to Cindy McCain by way of her father and his mob ties.

Posted by: kravitz | May 19, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am

AARP has a lobbying arm, environmental grops have them… even many church denominations have them. So what’s the big deal?
If you go to your local pol and say that if you vote for this bill I will not vote for you – it may have little impact unless you go as a group. Lobbyists represent groups… all sorts of them (pro/anti gun, pro/anti abortion, minority interests, seniors, industrial/business interests, unions, etc. That’s what they do. Even the Armed forces have “liaisons” which are like lobbyists.
I’s only wrong when lobbyists change a pol’s mind or vote by using monitary or other illegal influences.
What’s the alternative? Polling? Shall each pol not think independently and hire Zogby to find out how he/she should vote?

Posted by: smartprimate | May 19, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am

Obama has become totally predictable. Opponent points at Obama corruption – Obama says Washington as usual. Opponent points at Obama hypocrisy with Wright – Obama says my grandmother was the rascist – Opponent points at Obama’s naivete and stupidity when it comes to foreign affairs – Obama says I spoke out agains the war before I voted and voted and voted and voted and voted for it – so I’d love to have that debate.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 19, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

John McCain is a war hero and a patriot.
I’m a Clinton supporter, but I will vote for McCain if she is not the nominee. Obamanuts don’t seem to realize that he was Kerry’s first choice for VP in 2004. I am getting to
like the idea of a Republicam POTUS with aa Democrat Congress. The checks and balance may keep us safe from the corruption of both parties.

Posted by: BR | May 19, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am

“Once emotions and tempers are calmed, Hillary supporters will come around and vote Obama.”
“So you want us to reward the republicans for ruining Amerca by staying home or voting for McCain? Sure that’s the smart thing to do!” LG and Vanessa, We will rise up and fight against disgustingly bigoted and insulting Obama supporters like you!!! Equality means fighting for everyone’s rights and not resorting to the sick bigoted, condescending remarks of Obama Supporters!! How could you subject children to 20 years of sick racist sermons like Obama did in his church? I would never allow children to hear these disgusting, bigoted remarks from scare mongering, hate mongering Obama supporters like you!!! It’s time to rise up and fight against this harassment from bigoted Obama supporters!! NO MEANS NO!!!

Posted by: former dem in chicago | May 19, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am

BR, feel free to vote for your appeasing McCain who voted to allow the bombing of abortion clinics. And is connected to the murder of a guy who was reporting on them, by way of association. And it seems you will feel very good about doing so.

Posted by: kravitz | May 19, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am

Obama has a long history with Rezko as the main link in the chain with satisfying special interests and lobbyists. Ayers is not a “guilt by association” problem, he is a guy that helped Obama along the way because they share the same political views….far left…radical….corrupt IL style liberal …Black Power…same type of politics and rhetoric.
No one tells the story of Alice Palmer…she was one of the first women that Obama threw under the bus to get her Senate seat. Obama’s first mentor and the women who tried to help him get into Chicago Politics. They say that she was out campaginging with the Clintons…no one tells that story either.
Obama has pretty much hidden his documents and been careful about his positions.He used the “present ” vote wisely..his agenda has always been the Presidency…Every Board he served on he asked to be in charge of…He went to the power guy in IL and got everyones legislation in his name…He went to Kennedy and asked him to mentor him…He got the money to run his campaigns and his house form Rezko the crook…It is really ridiculous.
No lobbyists to contribute to the Presidetnial run has been a very successful campaign strategy…it is a strategy not a reflection of Obama’s career at all.

Posted by: Jackie | May 19, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am

“Once emotions and tempers are calmed, Hillary supporters will come around and vote Obama.”
“So you want us to reward the republicans for ruining Amerca by staying home or voting for McCain? Sure that’s the smart thing to do!” LG and Vanessa, We will rise up and fight against disgustingly bigoted and insulting Obama supporters like you!!! Equality means fighting for everyone’s rights and not resorting to the sick bigoted, condescending remarks of Obama Supporters!! How could you subject children to 20 years of sick racist sermons like Obama did in his church? I would never allow children to hear these disgusting, bigoted remarks from scare mongering, hate mongering Obama supporters like you!!! It’s time to rise up and fight against this harassment from bigoted Obama supporters!! NO MEANS NO!!!
Posted by: former dem in chicago | May 19, 2008 1:05:40 AM
You were never a democrat if you advocate voting republican after 8 years of bush. Btw Illinois will go for Obama but of course you knew that didn’t you?

Posted by: LG | May 19, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am

This whole campaign with all 3 candidates is the biggest circus sideshow I’ve ever seen. I will NOT vote for any of them. My bumper sticker will say “Don’t blame me, I did’nt vote !”

Posted by: John | May 19, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am

The Republicans’ primary problem is that the American people have figured out that their tactics of “divide and conquer”…of sowing dissension and fear…are all meant to distract America so that America’s middle class and poor don’t notice as the Republicans – and their puppetmasters – steal from their pocketbooks, plunder the nation’s treasury and destroy the future of their children.
Pretty simple, the Republicans do not wish to lead America – they wish to prey upon it.

Posted by: LG | May 19, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am

The thing about HRC and JSM is that we them and their history.
In the final analysis, when push comes to shove for this country we know they will do the right thing.
The same is true for many others Biden, Hagle, Paul, Dodd, Edwards, etc., on both sides of the aisle. I would be comfortable voting for any of them.
I know nothing about Obama except a couple of self-adulating books and a web page. Anyone can write a vanity book, and anyone can create a false web page.
He has no visible public history, he destroyed all papers relating to his Il. legislative record.
Never ever would vote for the mirage called Obama.

Posted by: We Know Them | May 19, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am

I want to correct this notion that some bloggers have on here that if a Clinton supporter says they won’t vote Obama if he is the nominee, that they are Republicans masquerading as Democrats.
There are many people who vote the party line all the time and their are many people who vote the candidate.
I identify myself as a Democrat because I have predominantly voted Democrat over the years. If on the ballot I have two candidates to choose from that I am not all that familiar with I always vote Democrat. In fact I would have to say in the local and State elections it is rare that I wouldn’t vote for a Democrat. Having said that, over the years I have on occasion voted Republican and have certainly voted 3rd party on a number of occasions. If I am not happy with the candidate of my identified party then I will not vote for them. Many will, but I choose to be not quite as dogmatic about party affiliation as others may be. For those of you under 25, perhaps you just haven’t had the opportunity to vote as many times yet to have encountered situations where you would potentially consider voting for someone other than a Democrat. When I have jumped ship or voted 3rd candidate it has almost always been a candidate I see as more centrist/moderate. While my views probably fit more into the far left than the right, I have a healthy disdain for both the far left and right . Right now I see the Democratic party as being hijacked by the far left, again. I don’t necessarily feel Obama is far left but right now I am totally turned off by the Democratic party for a variety of reasons. The Dems have reason to be concerned because I have no doubt there are many out there like myself who see McCain as a centrist/moderate and do not see McCain as George W. I am not entirely comfortable with McCain but there is just something that rubs me the wrong way about Obama and more importantly I am not impressed by his record nor his experience and/or lack of. I am college educated and race is not the issue for me because I have voted for black candidates within my own State when the opportunity has been there and I did not support Clinton because she was female. I am not a blue collar voter but I grew up in a blue collar family and my sensibilities lie there which is in part why I support Clinton and why I have a difficult time supporting Obama. His lofty rhetoric and his telling us everything wrong about the other candidates positions and yet never telling us what he would do other than in the most lofty or general of ways, just doesn’t cut it. I don’t think we still have a really good sense of who he is, what he stands for and what he would fight for, at least I don’t and judging from some of his supporters I don’t get the impression they care that much rather they project on him all this other stuff. I like Obama’s message of change coming from the bottom up but when he gives this message he’s not advocating that young people go out and stand on their convictions around issues that concern them but rather that they support him and he will implement that change but he needs them to elect him to do so. I believe that change does come from the bottom up and we’ve seen it in women’s rights, civil rights, gay rights, protesting the Vietnam war and so on but the focus has been on an issue of concern that a collective of like-minded people had the courage of conviction to stand up and fight for it at times with great risk. It was not about voting a Republican or Democrat into office. I suppose the closest we’ve seen and that was McGovern and look what happened with that. So I don’t trust Obama’s message of hope and change because it’s about him. I don’t trust his new politics because he’s old politics but who has learned to use the new resources at hand, such as internet communities, in a manner old politics hasn’t.

Posted by: alpaig | May 19, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am

Senator Clinton now has 256 electoral votes. Senator Obama has 217 electoral votes. If Michigan and Florida were counted, Senator Clinton has 270 electoral votes. This was confirmed on several electoral sites tonight.
So, I ask, who is ahead?

Posted by: Mary | May 19, 2008, 2:37 am 2:37 am

If the DNC and the Obama camp think Democrats will “come home” en masse to vote for Obama, they are very sadly mistaken. I live in Alabama and let me tell you, he is in for a rude awakening if he and his fans think his primary “win” here will mean a hill of beans in the general election. Obama will not carry a single state in the Old South. And don’t trust any “polls” that say otherwise.

Posted by: prittfumes | May 19, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am

Senator Clinton now has 256 electoral votes. Senator Obama has 217 electoral votes. If Michigan and Florida were counted, Senator Clinton has 270 electoral votes. This was confirmed on several electoral sites tonight.
So, I ask, who is ahead?
Posted by: Mary | May 19, 2008 2:37:27 AM
Save the electoral argument for the GE since none are won in the primaries.

Posted by: LG | May 19, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am

Obama has become totally predictable. Opponent points at Obama corruption – Obama says Washington as usual. Opponent points at Obama hypocrisy with Wright – Obama says my grandmother was the rascist – Opponent points at Obama’s naivete and stupidity when it comes to foreign affairs – Obama says I spoke out agains the war before I voted and voted and voted and voted and voted for it – so I’d love to have that debate.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 19, 2008 12:35:42 AM
Your tactic was tried and failed in the recent election in missisippi. So give it a break.

Posted by: LG | May 19, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am

You socialists are the most stupid people I have ever encountered (trolls). If you love having over half your income sucked into the pork politics of the dems, faboo. Fork over the rest of it while you’re at it and pay my share too since you’re so eager for “change”.
If your collective IQ dropped a point, you’d be a pile of goat $hit.
PS – ABC reeks.
Posted by: skeptic | May 19, 2008 2:50:31 AM
You are obviously too preoccupied with the Dems to realize how much money bush’s Iraq war is costing this country. Thousands of lives and billions in cost and debt to china and others. Btw the Iraq war is the republican tax that we will be paying for years to come in high fuel, food, U.S. debt etc.

Posted by: LG | May 19, 2008, 3:05 am 3:05 am

Carlasue — things always come out in campaigns. That was one of Clinton’s arguments early on. Her “dirt” is already out there….his just keeps coming. There’s more on the way…trust.

Posted by: Tony | May 19, 2008, 3:16 am 3:16 am

Let McCain attack Obama for Ayres or Rev Wright, Because McCain has Rev Jerry Falwell said America had 9/11 coming because we tolerated gays, feminists and liberals. It was our fault. Our chickens had come home to roost, if you will. John McCain proudly received his support and even spoke at his university’s commencement.
Reverend John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the “Great Whore.” He has said that the Anti-Christ will rise out of the European Union (of course, the Anti-Christ will also be Jewish). He has said all Muslims are trained to kill and will be part of the devil’s army when Armageddon comes (which he hopes is soon). John McCain continues to say he is proud of Reverend Hagee’s endorsement.
Reverend Rod Parsley believes America was founded to destroy Islam. Since this is such an outlandish claim, I have to add for the record, that he is not kidding. Reverend Parsley says Islam is an “anti-Christ religion” brought down from a “demon spirit.” Of course, we are in a war against all Muslims, including presumably Muslim-Americans. Buts since Parsley believes this is a Christian nation and that it should be run as a theocracy, he is not very concerned what Muslim-Americans think.
John McCain says Reverend Rod Parsley is his “spiritual guide
McCain must know that when he starts slinging mud, that probably more dirt will thrown on him.
What happened to the McCain campaign of civility?
Obama 08

Posted by: jld1959 | May 19, 2008, 3:20 am 3:20 am

Kravitz – you really shouldnt post stuff from Daily Kos. Unlike other sites like ABC and Politico, Daily Kos bans people who speak out against Obama. I have seen it over and over and over again. Any site that flushes out dissent is not trustworthy. Period.

Posted by: Tony | May 19, 2008, 3:21 am 3:21 am

He who has the gold makes the rules…McCain will run out money…he will be a flash in the pan…he suffer from dementia and desperation….case closed…his attacks….YAWN……

Posted by: th e&MG | May 19, 2008, 3:42 am 3:42 am

Anyone actually take the time to research for yourself about the SDS, the Weathermen and Ayers’ life since? Start with Wikipedia, go from there and you will clearly understand what spin is. Classic case from McCain and Clinton (and media editorialists). Classic oldtime election tactics we all must use education to be able to normalize if not outright ignore.

Posted by: Old Hippie | May 19, 2008, 3:53 am 3:53 am

hi everyone..go hillary…..obama is nothing but a hypocrite. and his wife the anti american michelle has to look in the mirror every day and say over and over …..i love america, i love america, i love america. man, just think, if obama takes office, him and the rev wright will be buds again. and then there is ayers, rattso and the rest. think about it

Posted by: carlasue | May 19, 2008, 4:31 am 4:31 am

poster: “…republican reduced to masquerading as a Hillary supporter to promote division in democratic ranks. It won’t work, the republicans have screwed over all too many demographics of this country…”
It amazes me that you Dems are so steeped in identity politics. It may cost you the Whitehouse. Your so-called “demographics” is a neat code for women, blacks, working class whites and Latinos.
Once Obama clinches the nomination, he will have to contend with the “sweetie” vote… the “bitter, gun toting religeous” white vote and the virtually ignored Latino vote.
You Dems have been playin these “demographics” against each other for so long now… what will you do when your candidate is seen as the candidate of only one of those groups? Will the other groups believe him when he says “I’m one of you”?
Or…
Trot out Bill Richardson to stump for the Latino vote? Que es Bill Richarsdon? He wasn’t even recognized as Hispanic in CA or AZ. Many Hispanics are already thinking that he’ll go for a hard immigration stance to blunt McCain and to get the “working class vote”.
Trot out Hillary to get the women’s vote? Women will just see the “old boys” network makin’ sure that women are in their place. And all his “present” votes when it came to vote on women’s issues will haunt him.
It will be an interesting tightrope walk… with angry “demographics” ready to turn on him should he fall.

Posted by: smartprimate | May 19, 2008, 6:04 am 6:04 am

So Obama won’t meet with Hamas but one of his Advisors Will?
The Times on Line
May 10, 2008
Barack Obama sacks adviser over talks with Hamas
Times on Line
One of Barack Obama’s Middle East policy advisers disclosed yesterday that he had held meetings with the militant Palestinian group Hamas – prompting the likely Democratic nominee to sever all links with him.
Robert Malley told The Times that he had been in regular contact with Hamas, which controls Gaza and is listed by the US State Department as a terrorist organisation. Such talks, he stressed, were related to his work for a conflict resolution think-tank and had no connection with his position on Mr Obama’s Middle East advisory council.
“I’ve never hidden the fact that in my job with the International Crisis Group I meet all kinds of people,” he added.
Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Mr Obama, responded swiftly: “Rob Malley has, like hundreds of other experts, provided informal advice to the campaign in the past. He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future.” The rapid departure of Mr Malley followed 48 hours of heated clashes between John McCain, the Republican nominee-elect, and Mr Obama over Middle East policy.
Mr Obama, who has been trying to assuage suspicion towards him among the influential Jewish and pro-Israel lobby, spoke at a Washington reception marking the 60th anniversary of Israeli independence on Thursday when he promised that his commitment to the country’s security would be “unshakeable”. However, Mr McCain has high-lighted the Democrat’s pledge to negotiate directly with nations such as Iran – whose leaders talk of wiping Israel off the map – and a statement from Hamas saying that it hoped that Mr Obama would win the presidency.
This was denounced as an offensive smear by Mr Obama, who repeated earlier statements saying that Hamas was “a terrorist organisation [and] we should not negotiate with them unless they recognise Israel, renounce violence”.
He went on to suggest that Mr McCain’s attack showed that he was “losing his bearings”. This remark triggered a furious reaction from Mark Salter, the Republican’s senior adviser, who said that Mr Obama was “intentionally raising John McCain’s age as an issue” – a claim the Democrat vehemently denied. The intensity of this dispute reflects both Mr Obama’s desire to move beyond his battle with Hillary Clinton and how Republicans are already beginning to train their sights on him.
The Republican National Committee has amassed a 1,000-page dossier on Mr Obama, with researchers spending weeks in Chicago seeking fresh material. He is already being criticised for his links with Rashid Khalidi, a Columbia University professor who has branded Israel an “apartheid system in creation”.
Mr Malley, a respected commentator on Middle Eastern issues and part of President Clinton’s negotiating team at the Camp David talks, has come under attack in recent months from right-wing bloggers. Yesterday, asked if Obama campaign was aware of his contact with Hamas, he said: “They know who I am but I don’t think they vet everyone in a group of informal advisers.”
Randy Scheunemann, Mr McCain’s foreign policy chief, suggested that Mr Malley was part of an emerging pattern in which other advisers had been repudiated after throwing confusion over policies on trade and Iraq. “Perhaps because of his inexperience Senator Obama surrounds himself with advisers that contradict his stated policies,” he said.

Posted by: Rick from Pa | May 19, 2008, 6:43 am 6:43 am

Go get him John, that pussycat Barry BO can’t take a fruitpunch. I think I saw him crying and whining AGAIN!!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 19, 2008, 7:36 am 7:36 am

Barry will come out of this battered and bruised.
John McCain is such a better warrior.

Posted by: HP Boston | May 19, 2008, 7:38 am 7:38 am

Barry can not afford to play “who were you with”? Now you are ALMOST against…playing the flip flopper!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 19, 2008, 7:40 am 7:40 am

How could we have a president who’s friendly and has political and business ties to known, unabashed domestic terrorists.
If the nominee’s not Clinton, then vote McCain.
Obama is not who he says he is.

Posted by: Leslie | May 19, 2008, 7:43 am 7:43 am

How anyone can honestly believe Obama is a change from the same old political games is beyond me. He said his association with Rezko was a ‘dumb’ decision, that he didn’t know Wright was a rascist, that he wasn’t putting down small town workers, that he wants a bipartisan administration.He was voted “Most Liberal Senator” title last year, he wants gun controls, made a deal with Rezko even while knowing Rezko was under investigation for corruption,lied about not knowing Wright’s agenda, and told a liberal San Francisco audience what they wanted to hear about rural ‘hicks’. He told Judicial Watch he had no records from his term in the Illinois legislature and is using a Madison Avenue slogan ‘Change We Can believe In’ to try to get in the White House. He comes from a wealthy Hawaiian family even though he tries to portray himself as one of the downtrodden. 100 years ago he would have been called a snake oil salesman.

Posted by: Think | May 19, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am

Obama frequently twists the words of others in his mocking, arrogant monologues, so why shouldn’t he expect the same? The only people who think Israel provides an excuse for militant jihadists are people like Obama. It appears that he does not know the difference between good and evil. Like Wright with his chickens coming home to roost, Obama suggests that there is an excuse for militant islam. He is an apologist for those whose views are morally abhorrent. He sees all sides and takes none. Does he truly know the difference between good and evil, right and wrong or are all views one vast and morally equivalent continuum from his perspective?

Posted by: jld1959 | May 19, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am

think is not thinking again,
How can obama become POTUS without
mi
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typical white people
the clinton supporters
the rural clinging to guns and god crowd
sweeties
obama supporters coming off the obama-grog
i listened to the second 30min of cspan this am. over 50% of the calls were people saying things such as-if sen. clinton is not on the ticket-will vote for mccain.
and what was encouraging to me there were several black men who called in.
and a couple of 80year olds.
it maybe late in the day but this country
might still have a chance of recovery after the bush years-but that will only
happen if sen. clinton wins.
obama will not be potus.
he and his handlers went about it the wrong way.
a real fact is if people had known jan. what is known now about obama-he would not be in the lead.
people were not even paying attention to the issues then-they were voting based on sen. clintons neg and knowing zero about obama. and assumed obama must be better that sen. clinton.
now people have gotten to really know a lot more about sen. clinton-her negs. have gone down. and they know a lot more about obama-and his negs. have gone up. and all the while sen. clinton is and has stayed strong on being able to plainly tell people what she will do about the issues that face us. sen clinton has consistently laid out her plan first about what she will do. she is the one who has been driving the issues conversation-(the signs of a true leader) how? when sen. clinton started with the 3am ad-(and people made fun of it, etc.BUT it got us talking about national security, when before her 3am ad. we were not talking about it. now why do i say obama only copies-prime example-instead of coming back with some other catchy ad-to explain his point.-what did we get sen.clintons 3am ad regurgated.
when sen. clinton talks about healthcare the national conversation changes again. she is the true leader here.
because obama is such an unknown and the media has not done its job, obama has spent much of his time explaining and making excuses.
when sen. clinton gives a speech or talk whatever you want to call it-we all learn something new.
when obama gives a speech-i have listened to him-he spends most of the time telling you what you already know
and then he starts talking about what his opponents have said about him-which you already known.
so, no wonder you have so many people still asking-(in the spirit of w. mondale) WHERE IS THE BEEF?
OBAMA WILL NOT BE PRESIDENT because
OBAMA SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT.

Posted by: jgaw | May 19, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am

sorry think,
i just read a new post of yours, there must be two people using the name of think. and the other think (is still on the obama grog)
to the think who said obama is just like a snake-oil salesman-I agree with you.

Posted by: jgaw | May 19, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am

and welcome back jake,
and tell your sub just because we are glad you are back, does not mean we do not like him.we liked him, we really liked him.
or what i meant to say is..oh well
stay tuned, i will be giving a speech about it soon.

Posted by: jgaw | May 19, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am

Clinton ran a horrible campaign, this nomination was hers to lose and she did. The press was fawing over her last year. She was up 40% in the polls and had raised $100 million in 2007. She ignored small states, she ignored caucus states. She had bad advise and she took it. She insulated herself with faithful friends who weren’t qualified to run a national campaign. They are now over $20 million in debt (some say it’s more like $35 mill, we will find out this week). So tell me, it you can’t hire the right people, take good advice, listen to people, or manage a budget, what gives you the right to run our country?? Because she “deserves it”? WHY?

Posted by: Really? | May 19, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am

“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said.
Says a lot about his world view….and view of the US and its people.
Obama is not who he says he is.

Posted by: Lezident | May 19, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am

Wherever this ends, August or November, it will be Obama’s arrogance that defeats him. He believe’s his own hype machine and nothing is more dangerous in a man of public prominence. Making threats on GMA this morning regards his wife is ample evidence of the instability of his character and his inexperience.
It’s going to be McCain if not Clinton. Don’t believe the ‘swooning’ media support will continue once his numbers and ability to feed the media millions drop.
But the entertainment value is enormous.

Posted by: len | May 19, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

Lezident….
But isn’t he right? Obesity is an epidemic in this country, we need to buy smaller cars to reduce consumption, smaller homes, eat better, exercise more. Why do people find common sense so offensive?

Posted by: Really? | May 19, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

McCain can’t get out of bed without tripping over a lobbyist. Ayers has never been on Obama’s campaign staff..and it certainly does not rise to the level of McCain’s incestous relationship with the lobbyists.

Posted by: Michael | May 19, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

I’d rather have a candidate with an advisor who’s a lobbyist than one with an advisor who’s talking secretly with Hamas.

Posted by: HoosierSue | May 19, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

That’s the best McCain could come up with? Some guy that Obama sort of knew and was friendly with? Weak.
McCain needs to deal with his lobbyist problems not deflect and distract. It is really dishonorable to not confront one’s issues directly. When I read McCain’s health plan to raise taxes on employer health benefits and mail the proceeds directly to insurers I’m not surprised by his extensive lobbyist ties. That’s the kind of thing only an industry lobbyist could come up with. I guess we know who McCain’s “friends” are. . . Lobbyists.

Posted by: Jeremy | May 19, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

Lobbying includes all attempts to influence legislators and officials, whether by other legislators, constituents or organized groups. Governments often define and regulate organized group lobbying.
So the Dems do not constituents to determine policy, they think the People work for the Government not the Government for the People!!
McCain may have Lobbyist working on his campaign but he never took from them, on the other hand Obama get a million dollar house from one!! Obama funeeled 1 million dollars to his wife over 4 five years (1 million tax payers money to hospital his wife worked for and then his wife got a 250,000 dollar raise).
Obama talks with a terrorist to organize his campaign!
Yes Obama you are above politics!!

Posted by: spock | May 19, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Obama STOP using Fear tactics !!

Posted by: spock | May 19, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

Dear Really? Did you also know that Republican fundraisers raised $100 million for Obama in 2007 to try to knock off Hillary Clinton? Do you think they regret that now?

Posted by: RL in Illinois | May 19, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

Jeremy: Please look up The Weathermen or The Weather Underground. You can read all about William Ayers. Some of us remember them and their terrorist activities in the 60′s and 70′s. Please check the association with him and Obama in the last 10 years. Way more than “sorta knew and friendly with.” The Republicans are going to have a field day.

Posted by: RL in Illinois | May 19, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

If having lobbyists run your campaign is less fearful to you than being friendly with someone like Ayres, no matter how personal the relationship you deserve the same kind of mismanaged goverment you’ve got.
Gimme a break. The lobbyists were patsies for our good friends in Saudi Arabia and Myanmar.
Every time I go to a gas station I’m being victimized by Domestic Terrorism far worse than anything Ayres could ever have possibly dreamed!

Posted by: EthanQ | May 19, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm

ABC still sucks. The boycott remains.

Posted by: Ken | May 19, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

The reckoning is coming for OBAMA…..
He is not ready to be a President and honestly he will never be ready to be..
He has too many flaws, too many mistakes, too many bad issues and too many don’t knows. Too bad the democrats are heading to another GORE and KERRY soap opera..Democrats just never learned…What else can i say?!!

Posted by: James, Independent, KY | May 19, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm

The reckoning is coming for Republicans…..
They are not ready to govern and honestly they will never be ready.
They have too many flaws, too many mistakes, too many bad issues and too many don’t knows. Too bad the Republicans are heading to another Illinois,Louisiana and Mississippi soap opera..Republicans just never learned…What else can i say?!!

Posted by: LG | May 20, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am

Janice and fondh,
I attended the Democratic Convention in Reno NV. Hundreds of Hillary delegates were disenfranchised and not allowed to be seated. The Excuses: They were not on the computer print outs at registration time. When 2 days earlier they were on the computer print outs go figure. 98% of the people who hold office in DNC in Nevada and 100% percent of the credential committee were Obama supporters. Hundreds of Delegates were promised bus transportation from Las Vegas. At the last minute the Obama people in charge of getting transportation on those busses for Obama delegates and Hillary delegates claimed to get a better deal with the airlines at the last minute and didn’t bother informing the Hillary delegates and alternate delegates. They also missed a few of the Obama delegates not very many though. As a reporter when I submitted this infomation to my paper it was edited out because my editor is an Obama supporter. The Hillary campaign is aware of the problems in Nevada and many other caucus states I have covered. At this late stage in the game the cheating the Obama campaign has been doing is really a mute point unless you have integrity and believe in principles as I do. I strongly dislike cheating of any kind. I’m sure not all of the Obama supporters are cheaters. All of the Nevada Obama Delegates and alternate delegates “Received Money” to attend the convention from the Obama campaign. None of the Hillary delegates or alternate delegates received any money from the Hillary campaign. Just proves that Obama who has the money can buy the election, the pledged delegates and the super-delegates.

Posted by: Bob4USA | May 20, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am

I personally don’t think Obama can win the GE with the Electoral College. The majority of the states he has taken in the primary will go Republican and the important swing states will have moderate independents throw the election to the Republicans too. Obama is too far left for many and they will choose McCain, known to at least be a Republican who does not always vote the party line in the Senate. I am disappointed that as a Democrat I will have to endure another four years of Republican executive leadership. I’ll be campaigning hard for the Democratic candidates for House and Senate in my state in the hopes that we at least can keep a balance of power to keep stupid policies to a minimum.

Posted by: Amy | May 21, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

I personally don’t think Obama can win the GE with the Electoral College. The majority of the states he has taken in the primary will go Republican and the important swing states will have moderate independents throw the election to the Republicans too. Obama is too far left for many and they will choose McCain, known to at least be a Republican who does not always vote the party line in the Senate. I am disappointed that as a Democrat I will have to endure another four years of Republican executive leadership. I’ll be campaigning hard for the Democratic candidates for House and Senate in my state in the hopes that we at least can keep a balance of power to keep stupid policies to a minimum.

Posted by: Amy | May 21, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

I have been struck by what appears to be an odd contradiction in the response of some commentators to Senator Obama’s connection to William Ayers.
Senator McCain is widely admired for his actions in healing the rift remaining between the US and North Vietnam because it shows that he puts the country first, though they are unrepentant communists.
Obama is suspiscious because he has met and worked with with Ayers in assisting the poor.

Posted by: Ray Torkelson | September 10, 2008, 5:48 am 5:48 am

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