Obama May Declare Victory Before Winning

the problem with this analogy is that clinton is arguing with refs, but she also keeps flipping what constitutes a touchdown for her…
she has said if we score a goal this minute we win…
ok well we made it to the five yard line, so thats pretty close,
and if we can keep obama from scoring meanwhile getting two more TD’s then we have to go into overtime…
well he scored a TD and a field goal, but because she was successful at not letting him score 2 TD’s that means she should continue, even though, she has 30 seconds left in the game…
and how many times in football have you seen the QB instead of making the last play, just kneeling the ball???
hmmm these sports analogies are fun!

I’m thinking that Obama should fold before this gets serious.

I think a better analogy is that it’s the bottom of the 9th and you’re leading as the home team. Last time I checked, the home team doesn’t have to bat in the bottom of the 9th when they’re ahead — it’d be a waste of time, just like continuing this election.

BikernAz:
What do you mean? Obama should fold….huh?

I wonder how obama and his handlers are dealing with the fact that more that half of the country do not want him for president. this is not a race thing. it is he is underqualified-he, and they know it-and they know the country knows it.

So Obama says he will declare himself the nominee before the nomination concludes. To paraphrase a kindergarten question: What’s it called when we take something that’s not ours?

The media and the critics keep moving the yard lines for Clinton FIRST, NH, then TX and OH were must wins, then PA, then IN. Oh yeah, she won them but it STILL isn’t good enough. Who does Obama think is to just declare victory? SOUNDS LIKE AN ARROGANT, chauvanistic, ELITIST to me! Those superdelegates better know what they are in for to just bolt his way. I say Hillary as an Independent or a write in candidate!

Obama is making a HUGE mistake here and pi**ing me off.
You think he follows baseball? Perhaps he should watch some reruns of the Patriots and Red Sox, with Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz.
Hillary is THE best clutch hitter in politics!!
Obama seems to forget that he needs the superdlegates to VOTE for him. Note, every SD, and arguably even delegates, may change their votes.
On numberous times I have posted to Jake’s threads the provisions of the DNC Rules allowing for the SD’s to vote independent of their locale and even the delegates to vote for a candidate not receiving the majority of votes in their locale.
HE JUST WANTS TO END IT ALL. TRUTH IS HE MAY ONLY HAVE ONE WIN MORE BEFORE THE CONVENTION. TALK OF ENTITLED?? HE WON’T HAVE ENOUGH DELEGATES TO END IT. NEITHER CANIDATE WILL. THE SD’S NEED TO VOTE THEM IN.

Seriously,i feel Obama has won the nomination.Let him go for the finals in november.

Hillary will win the nomination in the end. If she doesn’t McCain will be the next president.

not according to the polls, if they are any guage at all. some of the obama supporters who have paid attention to the issues and watched sen. clinton,and realize she is very capable to run this country. she is certainly smarter than he is. only the obama supporters who are for him for all of the wrong reason that will not vote for her.
the clinton supporters will not vote for him because it is plain he is not as smart as she is. and why should the postition of the hardest job with many of the difficult issues that face our country and the world be given to the least of the three. obama should have taken his own advice and stayed in the senate a little longer.
as sen. clinton said “this is not a game” the american peoples lives are involved-and the times cannot afford to chance-having another inexperienced on the job training president in office.
once again obama should have kept his own counsel and stayed in the senate a little longer.

Obama can call himself a winner but this is one Democrat that will not vote for him. It isn’t because of his race, but there is no way I can believe he feels loyalty toward this Country and all its people. His wife has said she has never been proud to be an American until this year so there is no way the people are going to swallow his words of loving and believing in this Country. And there is no way one can compare his 20 years listening to the raving Rev. Wright and someone having the support of a white preacher who doesn’t like certain people. I don’t know of anyone who would have sat in a church for 20 years and not have known more about the preacher than he claims he didn’t hear or know about Wright. A bunch of lies.
Democrats, we need to make sure we fill both houses with Democrats and just hope we can get to vote for Hillary otherwise I just won’t vote for the President.

Obama is a joke.
Obama is fake.
Obama is unelectable.
He can declare any victory he wishes.
November 4th he will join the losers club.
MEMBERS ARE:
1.McGovern[1972]
2.Carter[one term][1980]
3.Mondale.[1984]
4.Dukakis[1988]
5.Gore[2000].
6.Kerry[2004]
7.Obama[2008].New member.
Mainstream white america will NOT
vote for Obama.
End of the story….
You can take it to the bank….

I can’t believe the arrogance of his statement. Actually, I can.
I applaud the American people embracing Obama early on to propel him through his 11 straight victories BEFORE educating themselves about him, BUT this is not the O.J. trial and he shouldn’t get a pass. White working class voters are a HUGE demographic and he only gets 26% of that group. I saw him walking around Washington today like a rock star with shout outs and photo ops. Is he on American Idol?
Everyone is acting so presumptive…and he thinks May 20 is when he will declare victory? He is pissing off alot of people….you betcha.

Alot of you guys had a full glass of hater-aid today should drink Kool aid instead and get on the train and get this man elected.

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer acknowledged that even if the Michigan and Florida results counted toward the nomination, Clinton would pick up a net of 58 delegates and still be nearly 100 delegates behind Obama in the overall delegate count.
So why not?

Hey joe…
Obama can pick any stolen delegate he wants,but the reality check,in november
4th the white america will vote and
the rest is history…..
Americans vote for a president with a certain qualities and values.
Obama doesn’t hold those values.

joe and rob,
it is not hate for obama-it is commonsense, obama is being elected for all the wrong reasons, with the real reason for electing a president at the bottom of the list.
and rob, i hope obama will NOT want the clintons to campaign for him.
what a slap in the face-to end up losing to him for all the wrong reasons
know he is not as smart as she is, and then be asked for her brilliant mind to help him win.
no he should be the big man and say no thanks-
and I will be she will not cry for long, she will just rest and get back to work and the clintons will carry on doing the good in this world as they always have. and you say all the things you want to say about the clintons
but the good in this world and the people they have helped will not change with anything you say.

My friends, watch what happens when Obama starts the formal debates with McCain. Poor McCain has a tough time of it, my friends. Teleprompters won’t help him in debates. My friends, he will come up with his usual snarky, snide remarks, inappropriate humor, and thinly veiled false attacks, that make him an extremely poor debater and opponent. In my opinion, even worse than his soul mate, Bush, because people seemed to identify with the likable Bush. Also, my friends, Bush did not grate on your nerves like the out of touch McCain, and had no suppressed anger, instability, and inevitable temper tantrums. This, my friends, will be wonderful to watch this fall!!!

He sold his soul…
The more he prances around and shows how arrogant he is the more voters get to see the real Obama.
He wins based on demographics not skill.
Go Hillary or McCain!

Poor Poor Debra
You need to get out of that anger… I mean you are as you said in another post a long signed Republican who just came over to vote for Hillary…
sounds like you are grounded in the fact that she is a woman and not in any issues.
and it sounds like you are just angry that your candidate lost.
Someone who roots for McCain AND Clinton was never grounded in issues to begin with…
most of Americans this time around are grounded in issues and policies. They are sitting in the vat that was put there by voting out of anger or spite or fear or division.
and when all is said and done …they know that…they will not be fooled this time around by old school “take your eye off the ball” politics.
and as far as McCain having another talking point…it’s great that we arrested the al quaeda leader IN IRAQ…AGAIN…but theyweren’t there before this war…they have grown stronger there since this war has evolved…it’s one of many we have captured that was the head of alquaeda IN IRAQ…and yet al quaeda is growing stronger all over the world… because of this war… the army can’t find the real al quaeda leaders in Afghanistan and Pakistan…they won’t be able to with McCain’s plan because our army is stretched to thin in IRAQ… we are losing huge ground in the war in Afghanistan now…and everyone knows that our success against al quaeda and in Iraq is more political, diplomatic, and of need of help from countries and their intelligence whose people’s hate us more and more because of being in Iraq
McCain’s talking point would be addressed if the dems didn’t have to focus on each other.
But you keep rooting for McCain because you are a republican who voted for Hillary.

It’s certain Obama and his campaign are well aware of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting on May 31st. It will be decided then whether the DNC exceeded its authority in striping MI and FL of its votes. Now he proposes to declare himself the winner on May 20th if he wins Oregon, which is a win just as certain as Clinton’s inevitable West Virginia win. He’s out to circumvent the DNC meeting on the 31st. If he carries out his premature declaration of victory, it could be very splintering for the Democratic party.

Has anyone forgotten just how badly Hillary pounded Obama in the last debate?
Obama was beaten so soundly that he refused any more debates.
No courage and no ability to articulate.
Must be a Wright thing.

jgaw, Hey I think they have done good things too….BUT I beleve he is a better choice I belive he will change things and I also think Hillary would be a more devisive pres than anyone else running. Also don’t question my comon sense Hillary can’t even pump her own gas! She can’t shoot a gun, she can’t duck sniper fire. She lies ALOT! So answer this it now looks like obama has it would you vote for him in the GE If not give me one good reson other than he is not HIllary

Obama won’t debate because there is no point in it now. Hillary wants to debate because she can’t afford tv time anymore. Simple free press.

So first Obama says one thing and then the “team” clarifies. This guy is such an amateur. McCain is going to eat him alive unless the superdelegates do what they should do. The media has been pushing for Obama. It always happens when a new guy pops up. They get bored with the old names. That is a studied fact. For example they have pronounced that Obama survived the Wright fiasco but he only survived in the Democratic primary. Just wait until the Republican video ads showing Wrght and his cruel, hateful and cold sermon that blamed the US for the attacks and was delivered while the nation mourned, just after the attacks. Of course Obama has not survived this. The Republican ads will show Wright’s hatred in juxtaposition to Obama statements trying to cast Wright a serious and dangerous proponent of racism and hatred as just an “eccentric uncle”.. Hillary could not put out ads of this type but unless Florida and Michigan are counted and unless the supers do what they were set up to do this is coming. I wonder how many childern have been in Wright’s audience through the years.

SAD,sad sad sad….. Hillary lost you’ll all get over it soon!

McCain will not be Bush II. What gets him in trouble with his conservative support is that he appeals to Democrats too. He looks more and more appealing to Hillary Democrats for sure.

Mr. Obama’s brillant statement today that “Hillary Clinton is qualified enough to be a Vice President” shows me that this guy is a BIG loser. She is more qualified that he is–is it because she is a woman! Woman can only be 2nd best. And he still does not get it when he says he will bring her supporters over to his side—-”Being President of the United Sates is all about character”. Stay in your radical church Obama with the new radical, foul mouth new pastor downing whites and Americans. I just can’t believe that America wants a leader that is just a good talker—talk is empty just like your gas tanks are going to be shortly.

I’ve been voting for the democratic party for as long as I remember. This time though, I will be casting my vote for M. McCain. The reason ? First of all, Obama hijacked the democratic primaries. Contrary to what he professed, this election was all about race. He brilliantly manipulated the voters in accusing his adversaries of being racists and dishonest. I find him hypocritical in his judgments and his behavior. To me, he and his wife are true students of pastor Whright. Secondly, his experience in politics is disarming. His naive attitude in regards to international politics is frightening. His approach to our nation’s economic and social problems are simplistic at best. America wake up !! This man is a phoney. Think twice before casting your vote for him.

I believe both the Obama and Clinton camp know somethings we don’t.
My prediction is, the uncommitted SDs have already decided on Obama and have told both camps of their stance. However, their waiting till June 3 to make it official

The first Tara card BO casted was on Joe Biden, on the day he announced his candidacy, for God sake, for praising him!
Joe Biden’s candidacy was trashed before it ever got started, for being accused of racism towards the Bo.

Yikes! Obama clearly WILL BE the nominee, so you would think he could be gracious about letting Clinton exit on her own terms, without undue pressure.
Ultimately, if he wants my vote though, he will have put Hillery on the ticket as veep.

Hey dl….McCain will not raise your taxes stressing this economy more. He will keep this country safe, unlike Obama who wants to party with our enemies. Hillary or McCain ’08!!!

Did he consult and pray with Rev Wright before he made that pronouncement?

why would sen. clinton want to be vp to obama? of course he would LOVE that because he needs her brain.
i am sick and tired of the people on tv who have nice cushy jobs, on tv trashing other people. while the backbone of this country suffers and goes further under.
sen. clinton should stay in this race, to continue to fight for the working class just to let obama and his crew know just how many more people who do not think he is capable and smart enough to be president.
as for me and my house we are paying off mort.,planting a garden, and downsizing, and hunkering down for the cold season we american’ are about to enter either with mccain or obama.
obama supporters are supporting him for president for all the wrong reasons.

“Barack is brilliant” someone just stated. He did not look brilliant in the last debate. When he was given a chance to explain some recent news stories about him he stuttered and hemed and sounded like he had a double dose of novacain. Hillary was asked hard questions also in that debate. No wonder Barack does not like debates. McCain has been in dozens of key debates and he is ready for prime time like Hillary. Go Hillary. Go to the convention.

Seems to me Obama’s statement proves that he is arrogant and really doesn’t care about the American people voters. And he might have his name on the November ballot but he will not be moving into the White House–65% to 35% in favor of McCain

He’s as arrogant as ever..he just can’t help making these kind of remarks I guess. No matter, I will never vote for him under any circumstances anyway. By the way, where or where is Rev. Wright? I still say this whole thing was staged to give Obama a reason to cut him loose (in public), that is why the good Rev. is laying low now.

The DNC is irrevocably broken. They are so broken that they don’t even know what they stand for anymore. As a life long Democrat, I am dismayed that they no longer actually care about me until they need my vote, and then when we do vote, they don’t want to count the votes unless they say so. For all of the Obama supporters, remember when Howard Dean was an early favorite in the 2004 Presidential election, people raved about him, supported him unequivocally. We, however were fortunate that he did not become the Democratic nomination. Look at his leadership regarding the DNC, it speaks volumes as to what he might have done in the White House. Obama is also an un-tested, young, inexperienced Senator. There are many, many things that we do not know about him. Obama is not a unifyer for all of the people, he is a unifyer for African Americans and the young college kids, he will not be able to bridge the division within the party. He will simply fail in November.

DWC-
Excellent point about Rev.Wright and Obama’s relationship.
Obama is a snake oil salesman.
Many Former Obama Voters are getting Voter’s Remorse.
Obama’s Pride will bring him down.

jgaw,
I agree with you 100%. If Hillary is offered the VP position, she should turn it down. Obama, I agree, has had the benefit of benefactors and mentors his whole life. Heck, he was president of the Harvard Law Review and did not even have a published paper!!!
Hillary is a brilliant woman. She should not be covering for a weak president. I think she can do far more good in the US Senate.

It will be a fabulous ticket if McCain chooses Hillary as his Veep! They are good friends and will balance each other out and our country will be a winner!!
This is what America needs — a mix of republican and democrats — a way to bring the country together!

He’s so arrogant. He’s going to turn off MILLIONS of voters with this stunt. What a loser. He’s going to make a fool out of himself…..

Dont be afraid, Obama is for the America working force and not just for himeself or in a war because his father was almost killed. He is not for Blacks and he is not for white but he is for All The American People.You have my vote

I’m voting for Obama in the GE.
I am sick of making the easy,
safe choice like Kerry & Gore.
Obama is long shot, I’ll admit.
But, if he loses, oh well. He is not a Bush or a Clinton. Win Win.
the Dynasties ended on May 8th, 2008.

If I were Obama, I would wait until after June 3 to make a victory speech like that. To do it sooner than that would be a negative for him.

It only shows you that he is an elitist! He wants to leave out FL and MI. Now he wants to declare win before the game is over.
It only shows his arrogance.
Wake up America. Vote for Clinton and send the boy Hussein back to his lunetic racist uncle Rev. Wright!

Hillary for the little people. No mention of GAS TAX HOLIDAY for 2 days. What is the next pander fight?

I got your point. I was just making my point that the economy was good when the Clintons were in the White House. No one can deny that no matter who they support. I’d rather have Hillary with Bill as an advisor, than Obama with Rev Wright as an advisor.

Clinton is surrounded by corporations & people attracted to political power. GW Bush has already put Bechtel into Iraq for a still unknown future, and had the US resume support of the brutal & corrupt Indonesian military; dose America really benefit from these old policies ? WW-II was a war the US had to be part of, but since then the Industrial Military Complex relays on old fashion fear – both the Cold War and the 9/11 attacks. The US can work towards a brighter future, or it can continue to live in fear building weapons to kill all the people it fears.
Which person as President could better guide the US?

Obama is going to declare himself president on May 20th. Why bother with a GE when his Chicago bosses already have the fix in for him? All Hail Barky!

Just like Bush did to Gore I guess he really is an elitist

obama was in the capital today, acting like he’s mister washington already.
the audacity of that guy!

C’mon guys and gals. Obama is far from perfect, just like HIllary. Pleae read the books about Barack before passing judgment. He is not a radical black activist, not a racist, he’s not anti-white (he’s half white!), he’s not muslim (he’s Christian), he did not name himself, he’s never trashed America, he’s not going to take us into nuclear war with Iran, he’s none of the things that Hillary and the repubs have convinced you that he stands for. Helping blacks and other minorities does not hurt other more fortunate democrats. You can’t equate him with a few of his more questionable associates, any more than you can equate Hillary/ BIll or McCain with a few of their associates. Please. There is a double standard that you hold for him, because you understandably feel passionately about your candidate. I understand, but none of it this character assassination of Obama is true. We know far more about Obama at this stage in th election process than we did about JFK, Bill Clinton, George Bush, or Ronald Reagan. Give Obama a break. The only thing controversial that Barack has said was the ‘Bittergate’ stuff which he said in private, but if you have been paying attention, you know by now that Bill Clinton once said almost the same thing, publicly, when he ran for president and received credit for his wisdom and understanding on the subject. These Obama attacks are just hateful fear-mongering republican-style politics that we need to distance ourselves from. We are not uninformed Obama nuts- far from it. We feel the same passion for our candidate as you do about yours.

OB will never be US president. Wait and see what the Karl Rove, and Rush Limbaugh are hiding for him after the nomination.
I guarantee it, he is very week, many more dirts to uncover. “The snow has not melted totally, to uncover the dirt”
The Patriot

Jerome…you are dead on. I was thinking how great to read all the Hillary supporters on the blogs, but his paid bloggers are taking a vacation, because he’s preemptively announcing he’s the candidate. Wow…more arrogance.
He should take a humility lesson out of American Hero McCain’s playbook.
HILLARY OR McCAIN ’08!

Hillary has every right to stay in the race to pay off her debts, and set herself up to be considered for VP. We all understand. The superdelegates will eventually weigh in. Let’s be patient. It may be over, but there is absolutely no reason to show disrespect for Hillary, even if she has disrespected Obama at every turn in the process. She was the champion, and he was the challenger. She had every right to trash talk, and run her campaign in a negative way that was the most comfortable to her personally, whether some of us liked it or not. She is entitled to continue playing her hand, even if she doesn’t have the cards to win. I would encourage her supporters to send her money to pay off her debts. It’s the right thing for dedicated Hillary supporters to do under the circumstances.

Jackie Robinson was a great ball player long before he broke the color barrier.He was a great person on and off the field.
What has Obama done for the black people, has he been a great senator? What has he done to make him a leader?
He is not real, just a front for some unseen backers pushing his buttons.
Wake up America!
Hillary a real leader!

Simply every single US citizen should put your country first other than any political Party…
Vote for the one you think is the best to lead this country…
Vote by your heart not by the number!! That is your first right and obligation as a citizen!!

Not once has Obama ever said anything remotely close to “let’s blame whitey” for anything. He is not a black activist. He is a Christian patriot who embodies the spirit of the Democratic party. Attack him for being too liberal if you are so inclined, but these racial charges are so unfounded. “But his pastor said…”and he just sat there and listened”. When activist or racist words come out of Obama’s mouth, I’ll reconsider my support. That’s not what he’s about!

rco…There you go. The only thing anyone can say about Obama that makes them want to vote for him is that he’s a good cheerleader. When did a cheerleader get to be QUALIFIED to be PRESIDENT of the greatest country on earth??? Nobody can say anything else that qualifies him. They like him and he MOTIVATES people. So do cheerleaders. Round up a few and see if they want to run independent as PRESIDENT AND VP. That’s how stupid this whole thing is. Throw a black in there as President and all the blacks will vote by color. RIDICULOUS!!! This MAN IS not qualified to be President. I know many people that feel the way I do. He will not get my vote. I live in Florida and we chose Hillary and Obama doesn’t want her to have the votes. I guarantee you if the shoe was on his foot he’d demand it and so would all of his supporters and the biased media. They have all treated Hillary so unfairly through this campaign it makes me sick. There is a drive to elect this man that nobody has vetted and I think is a danger to this country. I heard last night that Obama is going to have attorneys go with the police squad cars when there is a call of trouble involving black people. What I want to know does that go for Whites, Asians, Hispanics, Jews,etc. You know people of all races, nationalities, and color. If not, that’s racist. Then again after sitting in Wright’s church for 20 years I can see why. I still think Obama had that attitude before he went to Wright’s church according to the books he wrote. Then there’s Michelle. Oh yes, the FIRST LADY that hates America. Oh wait, That’s like Wright.

Dream Ticket!

Declaring victory this early seems extremely egotistical and arrogant. Hillary Clinton hasn’t resigned, and I hope she doesn’t!

joey in ga,
Glad to see you are contributing to Hillary. What a great idea! I, too, will save some money for McCain in the fall, just in case Obama is the nominee. Many MA Democrats are already planning stickers for the worse case scenario: MA DEMS for MCCAIN!!

There is nothing ABC news can do to stop Sen. Clinton from becoming President. About three years ago a well known televangelist, Perry Stone Jr., told his congregation that God spoke to him and said Sen. Clinton will be the next President. This information can be obtained from one of his published works on CD entitled “Strange Patterns of Recent American Presidents.” On track 7 of this CD, he tells us that Sen. Clinton will once again be in the White House. So give it up ABC News. And Barack, your days are numbered.

carolyn, you are exactly correct, but you must remember that cult leaders can talk their followers into ANYTHING, even if it kills them. All it takes is charisma; and that is what will elect Obama. It doesn’t MATTER if he has no “substance”.

Hillary should put her country first before her party and should not abandon her supporters – a large enough group to form a new party. I for one will be extremely disappointed if she eventually takes the VP bait.

Jackson,
What you don’t seem to understand is that many people are switching from Clinton to McCain NOT because they hate Obama, but because this man is inexperienced and, ironically, has to much baggage at this point (even though he is “green”).
In fact, I personally shudder at the thought of Obama as commander-in-chief. That’s a scary thought.

Brian Erickson, be careful bad-mouthing ABC. I’ve been censored on other message boards for doing so; you don’t even have to use profanity! But I’ll take a chance again and express my disappointment with ABC’s anointing of the “New Messiah” (Obama). The media (not just ABC) easily knocked Ron Paul out of the Republican race, and now they’re going after Hillary Clinton.

i sense some bitterness amongst fellow democrats, especially hillary supporters, im sure y’all will get over her loss soon and get behind the nominee.

Doesnt anyone else feel REALLY uncomfortable with the Obama we’ve seen so far?? When will he show us his true self?? When will another “questionable” association pop up!??

Somebody needs to tell the “Rock Star” that he won’t have the required 2025 pledged delegates on May 20th. Oops! That’s right, when Obama loses, he wins. And if Obama does not have the required number of pledged delegates, he will say he wins anyway, accuse Hillary of cheating, accuse Hillary and her supporters of racism, and then threaten riots in Denver if he doesn’t get the nomination. And if that doesn’t work then he can always have his “friends” from Chicago come and pay the superdelegates a visit to “convince” them that Obama is THE ONE! Obama will then declare the convention a waste of time, and then declare himself president, as it is obvious that old man McCain will never beat him in a GE.

I think Obama should be removed from his senate seat. He should not even be a candidate, let alone senator. He’s ridiculed people for their beliefs in constituional rights like religion and guns, he’s supposed to protect them not ridicule them – he’s pathetic – get him out of not only the office – the country

Hey
may the best win
=======================
White mainstream democrats DO NOT VOTE
for a left wing liberal.
McCain ’08

RCO…how DO you know BETTER than anyone else that Obama is not a black supremacist? It wouldn’t surprise me. Think about the things Michelle believes and “typical white person” referring to his grandmother. Take into consideration the words he has written in his two books. That’s an eye opener.

Obama is a fashion trend. he has not stood the test of time. He needs to go back to congress and clean up his own distict of south Chicago it is in a terrible state. I am not willing to gamble on this country’s future.

Don’t get cocky Obama — One more gaff and your through —The list just keeps getting longer —–Rev. Wright, Frank Davis, Tony Resko, William Ayers, Larry Sinclair, Nadhmia Auchi….where will it end?

Ja,
I was joking about questioning democracy thing. But the rest of the world sees us as dumb. We can vote for who you want. But a majority of the people on this thread are generally democratic. (or not republicans at least.) But some people on here claim to be democratic but are so blatently racist that they won’t vote for a black man. (by the way, he is half white everyone.)
To be honest with you, I would be very happy with either candidate. The things they say are only to separate each other and to appear different. they are both pretty liberal democrats. Sen. Clinton is plenty to the left. Working class Americans support her because they remember what Pres. Clinton did for the lower and middle class.
There really isnt a whole lot of difference in the two politically. Both are inexperienced. (and living in the white house does not qualify you to be elected to live there.) The only difference in the two is their race and gender.

Let the people of Florida and Michigan have their say in this process, OBAMA! DNC and who ever else is yanking are chains out there.

Wrong again ABC NEWS AS ALL WAYS THE NUMBER IS 2025, and obama won Texas as well.

Only 41% of the caucuses were counted in Texas. Because there is signs of foul play. Obama supporters would not let Clinton supporters into the buildings.

Hahawrong,
Thank you for the math lesson. I have heard all the statistics. Obama wins with black voters the same way Hillary wins with everyone that isnt black. I am hispanic, and for some reason, most hispanic americans vote for Hillary because they also generally will not support Obama.
For the most part, no one listens to policy. People have already made their decisions before any politician even starts with what they would do when they are president.
By the way, I live in suburban Georgia. Everyone’s mind around here is already made up. Same in Miss., NC, Ark. I know exactly how the voting and party groups break down in the south. No democrat is going to win a state down here anyway.

ah, but DEM, that is where you are wrong! Clinton could pull off some of the states. Arkansas, the working middle class whites would flock to her. Mississippi, Florida, maybe even Alabama. Also, Indiana and Ohio. She can pull states that Obama can’t, because she didn’t offend white working class voters. It isn’t about black, it is about what he said and did, and who he associated with.

Do we really want to discuss electability? I agree, Obama is probably not electable, but its not because of his policies. Same with Clinton. She is just barely more elecable, if any.

Voters Remorse from all who voted for Obama……. there’s going to be a landslide…
YES WE MC CAIN
YES WE MC CAIN

Rules? We don’t need no stinking rules. Like good old time politics we are gonna pick this one in the back room at the convention. Think the rules are a big thing. Bull. The DNC created the rules and they can modify them if they want. If one candidate looks like there is something in his past that makes him totally un-electable. The Republicans concieved the Florida date change. They control both bodies in Tallahassee. We are suffering from a Republican action. Email the DNC. Click on “contact” and tell them how important it is to count Florida where Obama, though he was on the ballot, lost by close to 300.000 votes.

Has it ever occurred to any of you that WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE. Republicans… Democrats… Blacks… Whites… Women… and Men. All of us are Americans. When those towers fell we were ALL affected. When are we going to stop fighting amongst ourselves long enough to find the man that ordered the killings of thousands of our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, and cousins.

Come on folks – why do you insist black voters have to ‘split’ their vote between Clinton and Obama for it not to be racist?
Why does everyone assume the white people who didn’t vote overwhelmingly for Obama are not racist?
Black voters had no choice but to vote 100% for the white candidate in the past and you weren’t whining then about racism were you.
If people believe one candidate is better than the other they will vote for them. It appears there was a difference of opinion and there happen to be a very large number of variables that impact choices.

mcgreen…blacks ONLY voted for white then because a black wasn’t on the ticket. As soon as there is a black running for President, 92% have voted for the black candidate. Policy and his shady character and friends haven’t made a difference to you.

Here is the reality, folks. I am a lifelong Democrat. In over 40 years I have never voted for a Republican, for anything. All of a sudden, Sean Hannity and Karl Rove are making more sense than the MSM, which has long been in the tank for Obama.
The extent of the loss that Obama will suffer if he is the nominee will be historic.
The Obama campaign has been playing the race card from day one, in order to agitate their base of Black voters. This has worked so far, but it is a dangerous game. That Obama is the Black candidate is a fact. The Democratic leadership is afraid to even admit Obama is Black, but when someone gets 92% of the Black vote, he is the Black candidate.
The Republicans are not going to worry about pointing out the obvious. They are not going to worry about being called racist. They will turn it right back on Obama. They will point out that his campaign is been steeped in racism as a way of agitating Black voters to turn out for Obama.
Republicans are going to scare the bejesus out of Southern and middle American Whites with visions of General Obama leading his Black army to take their homes, their jobs, and their women.
Obama could have avoided this if his supporters had not pressured Black voters and Black congressmen to support him. He said he wanted to be post-racial, but his campaign has been hyper-racial. If his nomination ends up fomenting a race war it will be on his head.

Lawrence…if you could only vote when your state told you to, would you vote and hope that it got straightened out later? That’s what we thought. How can they deny our vote that was set by the Republicans. We thought it would be straightened and given to the winner!!!

Richarm…I agree. Obama should be stripped of his senate seat. There are so many reasons.

Several Obama supporters have stated that their candidate is BRILLIANT. So is fool’s gold and is more valuable.
McCain or Clinton in November.

I think before Senator Obama declares himself the winner he shouls wait a while more to see if the right thing gets done and Florida and Michigan get counted…Florida has the fourth highest number of electoral votes after N.Y.,Calif. and Tx.. Here are the results of the Florida primary where both Obama and Hillary were on the ballot and neither campaigned. There were some ads that ran there from Obama and Hillary and others due to Satellite TV, it could not be stopped.–TOTALS–Clinton 870,986–Obama 576,214–Edwards 251,562–Biden 15,704–Richardson 14,999–Kucinich 9,703–Dodd 5,477–Gavel 5,275..

carolyn:
there is nothing racist about obama winning NC. majority of hillary supporters in PA are whites, and obama supporters in NC are blacks, whats the issue here?

carolyn and debra:
your candidate (hillary) is not good enough, thats why she is behind on delegate count and popular.

exactly. This is just basic math. Obama has turned off the swing vote. Maybe in about 8 years he can clean up his act. As for now, if he wins the nom, McCain will be president. And no…I will not vote for McCain. Maybe an independent, I’ll have to do some research.

not good enough? or caucas states should have had real elections that people with jobs and families could participate in. Or Obama supporters should not have interfered with Clinton supporters in Texas…not good enough. What a joke. Why do you want a nominee who will lose the General? You are a repub, right? that has to be it.

Many of you believe that the Hillary supporters are simply bad sports and throwing tantrums by declaring they would vote for McCain instead of Obama. I am a Hillary supporter that would vote for McCain, not because I am a bad sport and throwing a tantrum but rather because I truly believe that McCain would be a better choice over Obama. I do not hold to steadfast party support,I support the candidate that I believe would be better. Perhaps if people truely voted for the best candidate based on experience, content, and issues and not along party of emotional lines, we would not be in this mess.

My back up candidate…John McCain was great on O’Reilly today. I only feel bad that he will have to tippy toe around anything that appears racial. I would have rather watched McCain and Hillary duke it out at debates. That would have been must see TV. Think of the close race…one a little left of center and one a little right of center. Now we have radical lefty (presuming BO gets it) and McCain can’t play fair or possibly be called racist for any spotlight on Obama’s character, pastor, or wife’s comments. What a shame.

Obama is an arrogant hypocrite. Mark Salter of the McCain has his number. Here is an excerpt from Salter’s memo today:
To: Interested Parties
From: Mark Salter, Senior Advisor
Date: May 8, 2008
Re: Senator Obama’s Attack Today
First, let us be clear about the nature of Senator Obama’s attack today: He used the words ‘losing his bearings’ intentionally, a not particularly clever way of raising John McCain’s age as an issue. This is typical of the Obama style of campaigning.
We have all become familiar with Senator Obama’s new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics there is.
I hated it when he pulled this sort of crap with Clinton. It is no more appealing against McCain.
I’m a life long democrat, but I would not vote for Obama if he were the last candidate on earth.
Democrats and Republicans–Unite Against Obama!!!!

Obama’s cockiness is a big turn-off. Let him declare victory today, if he wants. In truth, he’s a loser and John McCain will be the next President. As a Hillary supporter, who has watched the vicious treatment of Hillary by the press, I am amazed that she has achieved the success she has. The press has “given” the nomination to Obama. And the Hillary supporters, enraged by the unfair, sexist treatment she’s been given (let’s see how many times has the press gleefully written her obituary…) will give the Presidency to John McCain! And I, for one, can’t wait. Let the games begin!

To McGreen: There is mounting evidence of Obama supporters committing caucus fraud. Looks like Iowa was in the bag before it was even finished, but more and more stories are coming out about incidents in Texas and other caucus states about dirty tricks and intimidation and outright fraud used by Obama supporters. Plus, there is evidence of precinct violations in the IN primary. Obama’s so called lead in pledged delegates is really becoming questionable.

Take heart. Obama may not make it. He only needs one more item to be discovered and the Supers will start switching. Hillary should hang until the last dollar and the DNC should come to their senses and admit they made a mistake in the Florida and Michigan situation. I emailed them (DNC Click on “contact us”) today and told them after many donations and votes for that I was fed up and going to go Independent if they did not allow Florida and Michigan to vote. Howard Dean blew his own campaign by screaming like a nut. Let us not allow him to blow this important race. It is your kids futures at stake. Do the email.

OBAMA is counting the chicken before it hatches for good reasons.
He is having the backup of the communist party like Pelosi, Carter, Dean, Joe Andrew, Richardson…
They control the communist party and believe that they can make new rules for him to get the nomination.
Any way you see him; it is a very presumptuous snob.

bruce, GET REAL. Carter came out today and said that FL & MI can’t be counted. He has been all over the world to mediate elections so you can forget about these 2 states that went against the rules, even though it was the GOP that forced FL to move the date up illegally. Man, FL is really getting a reputation for screwing up elections aren’t they. Obama 2008!!

Obama’s victory from NC will not last long. If he win the nominee, his poll number will drop free fall quickly for McCain. Hillary’s supporter will switch to McCain and against Obama.
It does not matter if you are a Democrat or Republican, just go for McCain if Hillary loses the nominee. Otherwise you will live in hell for next four years.

Carolyn – You blame the FL and MI issues on the Republicans, yet will vote for one if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination? That doesn’t make sense to me. If this is two different Carolyn’s posting, my apologies.

Something I honestly don’t know…..the AA voters have defended their 90%+ percentage of vote for Obama in the Democratic (and most black folks are Democrats) elections by saying the AA’s have been voting for white folks forever, and it’s not about the color of his skin. Have there been white Democratic candidates, throughout the history of America, where any white Democratic candidate has received such overwhelming support from the AA’s in the Primary Democratic elections?

The talking-heads were as giddy like apes! Oh, my goodness─ this “madness” or the “frenzy” that seized the media people after Sen. Obama’s win in North Carolina reminds me of the same madness and the flag-waving frenzy that seized us as we marched into Baghdad. It’s sobering to remember these are for the most part the same media people who cheered us to quagmire in Iraq, now doing the same song and dance thing for Sen. Obama. Some of it Sen. Obama deserves but most of it done with such vulgarity and such gaudiness, if I were Sen. Obama I would cringe, for their poor taste, believe me you don’t want some of this people to adore you with their lop sided praise. But on the whole, I am afraid for sake of our country, what’s ahead for us! What I fear is that when people are acting so irrational and when their reasoning and logic is so lopsided, usually there’s a big let down or a tragedy is around the corner! The American media has become a fertile ground for most irrational observers. I don’t know where you find these people come from or where they were educated. The way they spin things! While they spin out of control, they forget there are several sides to an issue or an event. Soberness and good judgment has gone out of fashion and replaced by fantasy and image consciousness. What a prescription for a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions. The irrationality of the media is a terrible tragedy for the whole country. Sen. Obama has still a way to go to secure his nomination by getting the necessary number of delegates, which he can’t. He needs super delegates as much as Sen. Clinton does. And long before the contest was even half-way over one talking-head after another started asking Sen. Clinton to drop out! Sen. Obama’s win in North Carolina gave him a chance to look good in the aftermath of a long losing streak of most important states like Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania. It was obvious that N. Carolina vote was primarily along the racial lines. 92% of Black Americans voting for Sen. Obama but 40% white voters. But I am astonished by the rather vulgar exaggerations and hype of the media to make it look like the nomination race is over, when Sen. Obama has not even reached the needed number of delegates! For example Lee Cowen of NBC upgraded “North Carolina” to the category of a major battle-ground state, last night! Sen. Obama again lost the Reagan Democrats. And without them he can’t obviously win the White House, along with working class Americans even if he’s the nominee. That’s how desperate these media people are to promote Barack Obama, and spin even a rather many sided event into “a big deal” for Sen. Obama. And at the same time even big deal for Sen. Clinton get slighted and dismissed. All Democrats should support Sen. Clinton just to demonstrate the fact we don’t tolerate such unfairness in a democracy such as ours! Remember these are the same people who took us over the cliff in Iraq because of their short sighted view of what they were reporting. I like to invite the readers to go to Real Clear Politics. com and do their own research and find out what’s really going on. If you take major battle ground states, such as Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan Sen. Clinton is doing much better against John McCain than Sen. Obama. Sen. Obama may have some delegate lead, but he’s not doing as well as the media wants you to believe. And of course DNC is full of spectacular losers like John Kerry, Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy, Bill Richardson, and Joe Andrew and many, many others who helped the Republicans to stay in power in their own special and creative ways and devastate our country. They just might do it again, and help Geroge Bush’s 3rd term by nominating Sen. Obama. I think in the last analysis that’s why the media is cheering for Sen. Obama.

Count Florida and MI and we will know who wins fairly.. Get the Lady in first, he is not good enough to win against the republicans, to many party jumpers will form if he is the choice,, Sorry its the truth

my comment has been deleted for the fourth time now… but i will keep going
Pro-Obama comments have significantly decreased since tuesday. This proves the theory that most of the Obama supporters on these blogs are in fact paid for by the Obama camp, because now that he’s the winner the office can close and take a vacation.
Let the truth be told!

This proves the theory that most of the Obama supporters on these blogs are in fact paid for by the Obama camp, because now that he’s the winner the office can close and take a vacation.
Let the truth be told!
Posted by: jerome, LA | May 8, 2008 10:58:56 PM
LOL… I haven’t noticed that. Or is it that the college kids are taking a break or something? After all, we all know that most of those Obamabots are college students..

Jimmy Carter said on Jay Leno last night that the votes of MI and FL should count – in 2012! While Obama bashes Clinton, the loser democratic ex-president that supports Obama makes the rounds of tv talk shows like he’s some kind of royalty. And Carter is just back from his meetings with Obama’s good friends in Hamas. Carter travels all over the world to enforce fair elections, now we know what Carter is really doing – he’s getting paid to throw elections! Obama might as well just declare himself president on May 20th, he already thinks he’s president anyway, and if you disagree with him, then you are a racist!

Nonsense. I watched the entire interview. The newsman parsed what Obama said – and cherry-picked one comment to make a case – and threw in a pretty dumb sports line along with it. There was nothing remotely arrogant about the interview, and Obama was completely respectful of Hillary Clinton and her decision to continue the race. “This strikes me as possibly a huge miscalculation.” He didn’t even say that he was assured of a victory – let alone a victory on May 20. And anybody who can read figures knows he doesn’t need the goal posts moved anywhere. There were plenty of solid political stories to cover today – and this is just another bit of manufactured controversy.

If Obama loses West Virginia he should drop out.

I finished with the democratic party.
I’m going back to republican party.
I will vote for McCain in november.

fivepin…not everybody is a party loyalist. I am a registered Republican who voted Hillary here in Calif. and have no problem throwing my support to McCain. In fact, I’m going into the
T-shirt business…$19.95…HILLARY SUPPORTERS VOTE McCAIN ’08. Kinda catchy, don’t ya think?

Yes Debra, very catchy. However part of my concern is with the Supreme Court nominations. I honestly believe that Hillary’s or Obama’s picks will be similar.

jerome, hahawrong, DMK….I must admit the vicious Obama cult are not blogging as much…paid or otherwise. They must think it’s in the tank for BO. I heard there is going to be a bombshell for BO in October…someone in Clinton camp was mentioned on Fox as knowing something. Wright’s autobiography and book tour perhaps? October will be too late but I do feel Obama is sort of radioactive and ready to implode anytime.

You know I really don’t think any of the Obama supporters get it being nice is not going to heal this thier are millions of women that are broken hearted by the way Hillary has been treated we know she can take the heat but it still cuts deep and the healing will be a long time coming all the nasty jokes all the put downs have really cut deep into some of our souls that is why this election is not going to turn out well.

We’re still in it to win it. Hillary will prevail. Crush Obama in WV, Kentucky, and we’re in for an Oregon surprise! (There is only a tiny AA population in Oregon, and Oregon’s majority leans to right of center. Voting is already underway, started at the height of the Jeremiah Wright scandal. We shall see, we shall see.
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Obama and Bittergate, we’ll not forget!

Do not be distressed about your comments being deleted or not deleted.
Because it does not change anything.
All you have to do is vote MCCAIn in November, if Hillary is not the nominee and work between now and then to get as many as you know how to vote for MCCAIN.
A WIN for MCCAIN in November is all that counts …

“Typical White Person” here…..
I’m votin’ for McCain if Clinton isn’t the nominee.

Debra -
I didn’t say Hillary didn’t win big states. I saw a post that said Obama’s delegate lead was due to overwhelming African American support in the early states.
There are a couple of problems with this.
There were several early states that he got a net delegate lead from that had very small African American populations, like mine.
Second, in the beginning of this campaign, his support amongst African Americans wasn’t all that profound. It gained strength over time.
My other point is simple.
Hillary can’t win delegates, popular votes, number of states, or any other measure of victory.
She now says she’s running solely on the idea that Superdelegates might overwhelmingly flock to her side. (she’d need upwards of 7/10 of all remaining supers).
Her rationale for why they should overturn the democratic results of the entire contest?
She says white people won’t vote for the black candidate.
That’s it. That’s her argument.
It’s irrelevant how much statistical evidence there is to this rationale, the fact remains it is a DISGUSTING phenomenon on both sides of the issue.
Complete racial polarization is the opposite of everything the Democratic Party stands for. To tout it as your core campaign strength is appalling.
I don’t care if it’s effective in getting her the nomination, she should be just as repulsed by taking advantage of that polarization as she would an offer to have George Bush as her VP.
Some things transcend scoring political points and victories.
In short, if she has to take advantage of this repulsive racism taking place on both sides to get the nomination, she should do the decent thing and let the nomination go.

WestCoastMessenger…are you sure about Oregon. I thought it was more liberal and leaning very left. Sounds like Obamaland. I will say the young guy I talked to in Hillary’s Oregon office today sounded pumped up and ready to work hard for a win. THEY HAVE TO GET HIM TO DEBATE AGAIN. He looks like such a weenie when he dodges. If he’s so ready to claim his victory…show some confidence and do televised debate. Oregon is going to press him on this and he can’t claim no time excuse. There aren’t that many states left to campaign in…maybe he wants another vacation break like his Easter in St. Thomas. Hillary was at church and working hard on campaign. This is one tough fighter and hard worker. HILLARY OR McCAIN ’08. THERE WILL BE A SURGE IN REPUBLICAN SUPPORT IF OBAMA GETS THIS NOM.

If Hillary is not the nominee , it will be a disaster for the Dems. who can brace themselves and kiss up to the ultra-Liberals for another 8 Republcan years . McCain is a much more deserving candidate who will not bend to the likes of Hugo Chavez , Mamouth Amedinejad ( or whateva that nut is called) , like Obama . As for Hillary , you have run a great campaign , what a lady , I thought Thatcher of London was the Iron Lady , well , I was wrong , we have a more deserving one at that title now . Too bad she got stabbed in the back by her so-called friends and by the black community whom she helped a lot when her husband is the pres. and speaking of Bill , well , he got his problems , but at least , he did his job when Hired , so , that is fine with me , I don’t mind having him a second time around in this needy period . I know a lot of Americans won’t mind too. I say Hillary should go and run as an independent the way Joe Libberman did . Show the unappreciative Dems and the rest of the nation what you can do ….if Hillary is not the nominee, she should run as an indepedent and I bet she will still win . Screw the Dems. party ……Run as an independent….Hillary 08 ….

Fontapa,
the racism issue is a genuine relevant issue. Even Obama has admitted that.
The fact is, America is on the brink of disaster right now after 8 years of George W with the economy and the war. If the republicans get the presidency for the next 4 years, who knows if there will be much of an America left. It doesn’t matter whether it is racism or inexperience or (insert issue here) is the reason that Obama might lose… a loss is a loss.

I still think Hillary can win. She has very good reasons to argue that she’s a better candidate than Obama, from what has been played out in the primaries so far. We shouldn’t look at the so called delegates math because it’s a flawed system which needs to be changed in the future.
First of all, caucuses should be canceled. I’m so surprised that this so undemocratic thing actually exists in the democratic party!!! This is the thing that has virtually killed Hillary. However, it does not represent voters much. All caucuses delegates should be canceled. Let all people vote! Then you will see that Hillary’s a stronger candidate! Caucuses don’t exist in the general election, so Obama might lose big!
Secondly, it should be winner-take-all, just like the general election. Hillary has virtually won nearly all the big states and swing states, yet Obama hasn’t proven his electability in this aspect.
Hillary should definitely fight on until the end, because Obama will not want to lose the election and he’s sent out signals that he might ask Hillary to be his running mate. In this case, Hillary should negotiate with Obama about the ticket. The deal she proposes should be clinton/Obama, not vice versa. Obama either accept the deal to be her VP, or Hillary run as an independent or even wait for 2012. So in the end, Obama might have to accept it because he will lose without working together with Hillary!!! Even if Obama doesn’t accept it, the democratic party will beg him to accept to be VP because they can’t afford to lose the party!!!
Hillary, you go, fight until August in the convention. You have so many adamant supporters lining up behind you. I’ll not vote for Obama, never, ever!

I can’t wait to see the defector DEMs numbers be the largest EVER in Nov., if Obama is the nominee. REALLY, it will be the other historic thing about this election. Hillary supporters are not just saying it either…they will strongly and maybe more silently do it…vote McCain. I know there is a website Recreate68 that is threatening riots if Obama doesn’t get it, and everyone is all quiet now, because they believe this think is buttoned up. There could be an upset anyday. Wright could give another interview. There is BIG money to be made, for whoever has film of Obama in Wright’s church during inflammatory sermons, or any info. I think Wright is in lock down mode and there are helicopters over his house all the time. I’m sure there is part of the Obama posse at all the doors to his house 24/7. It’s not just Wright….there is SOMETHING out there and camp Hillary knows it. That being said, we all know enough, without another bombshell. IF NOT HILLARY, THAN McCAIN ’08! Looking forward to next debate in Oregon.

I think the bombshell that is going to happen in October that could hurt Obama’s chances of winning the general election is that Bush will attack Iran.
In that case experience vs. inexperience may become a much larger factor in the race. We have to remember there our polls that show that the American public when it comes to foreign policy trust the Democrats more than the Republicans. When asked though about specific candidates -Clinton, Obama and McCain- they go overwhelmingly McCain.

catleya…that one word is “fullos—”!
I can’t believe Obama is really serious about declaring himself a victory today. He was walking around Capitol Hill like he’s the man. He really is so arrogant. Why can’t the Rev. come out and play again? Tell us the truth Rev…don’t let us wait for your book in October.

Under Winner-Take-All system, Hillary would have been the nominee.
Throw the caucus results out and Obama’s real strength shows.
Barack McGovern Obama is simply not electable.

Unless Obama sticks Hillary on the ticket, he aint winning the presidency.
I myself have tried to get Clinton supporters to come to Obama, but they are just so differnt socially that they cant stand the guy.
There really is a huge social split in the party. Its not just about Obama being a democrat.
Electing a president hasnt been about the issues since 92. Then it was Clinton nailing Bush with the enconomy.
Its always about character. Its so funny , but there are so many folks who would never vote for Obama cause he is pro choice, and those who wont vote for Mc Cain because he is pro life.
It really comes down to simple values like that.
Obama carries himself like an upscale liberal. Wearing overalls and playing the banjo is not going to get him clinton democrats.
He must convince them he is better than a war hero. He can pin the economy on him , but again it was Bush’s economy , not Mc Cains.
This is why there is no way for Obama to get the clinton democrats back unless he stick her back on the ticket.
He can then dispatch Bubba out to the sticks to stump rural folks. He is better at getting their vote than anyone except ronald reagan.

Senior Dems Constructed the Hillary-Stopper, a soft spoken black man who would take all of traditional support in the black community. Obama is a fraud, a smoothtalker with no policy but to keep a smart and focused woman, better prepared than anyone in the USA from getting to be President. These people gave us John Kerry when we could have gotten Howard Dean. Now it is Obama. Dems will always loose elections if they don’t stop electing candidates who look good, instead of candidates with a substance and an agenda for America that win. Liberal polite snobs do not win! Obama has the Anatomy of Looser written all over him.

What I really believe is this.
Hillary Clinton is the best candidate. She is the strongest candidate.
Obama is the better public speaker, and had the far better team. He deserves the nomination.
Many folks are putting out this crud that democrats must win and republicans lose. Its the election cycle.
However, Al Gore won the 2000 election in reality, in spite of the Lewinski scandal.
Bush beat dukakis in 88 as well.
The problem is that both John Mc Cain and Barack Obama represent the weakest election candidates I have seen since Ford vs Carter.
Obama is deeply flawed on a personal level . The fact that he is african american means he needs to make an extra connection with whites to show them we are all the same.
But Obama isnt a populist, nor would he wear it well. He is a super star. A latte liberal. High minded, and high ideals.
But Obama has no experience, nor anything but a past that his handlers are determined to keep shut.
His pastor is a drastic problem that sheds him as different than other americans, no matter how he tries to spin.
His wife is angry, and reminds people of a young angry Hillary Clinton far more than Michelle Obama would ever want to admit to even herself .
And then there is Mc Cain. America already knows him. War hero, POW , old guy.
A long stand in the US senate and a mixed bag of signals. Half republican, half democratic.
But at least folks can Identify with him.
Obama will try to stay on course and call Mc Cain ‘ Mc Bush, and try to pin every failing of the bush administration on Mc Cain.
But it always come back to character, and whether voters can identify with the candiates.

—It is what I hate about Obama—he is so sure of himself–too sure—thinks everyone is below him—he is really nuts —coconuts—-

This cocky elitist will never get my vote!

tomdavie, Hillary as VP will not bring the party together. I will grudgingly vote for a Clinton/Obama ticket, but never Obama/Clinton.
Hillary has proven that she is the smartest, most-qualified candidate. Women of a certain age have seen situations like these time and again in the work place. Where an inferior man gets propped up by a superior woman. Not this time.

I used to want a combo-ticket-no more-why should Hillary and her supporters save his Butt. She has more to offer this country than he does-why should she take a posistion in an administration that will fumble its way thru some very tough problems-He won’t get elected without her-and will ruin the democratic party for years if elected-so I say-if Hillary doesn’t win the nomination-stay as Senator Clinton and disassociate yourself from his coming debacle.

and when RFK Jr threw his support behind Clinton, it got buried in the news, unlike Carolyn’s announcement. What has Carolyn really done for the American people? Not much compared to RFK Jr.

That would be a fatal mistake… Obama should declare no victory until he has enough delegates too say so, or go to the convention and get nominated.
What is the rush…
Very careful is the key word…

If the Clintons and the SDs go against BHO after the pledge delegates have been assigned, what evidence do they have that party won’t rip itself apart?
in the reverse
If BHO and the SDs go with the pledge delegates, what evidence do they have that the party won’t rip itself apart?

For all the great Hillary supporters on these ABC blogs (and we are many)…the funny thing is I’ve been watching all week and Obama didn’t even have to declare himself the winner…the media has by acting as if we’er on to the General. News coverage is way down on future primaries, like they don’t matter. They assume Hillary will win Tues. so no one is talking about that. Then everyone is waiting for the big Oregon win for Obama. There was an Oregonian blogger somewhere that said they are all excited and ready, but I feel the media is pushing this along. Also, let’s see Obama debate one more time. I love watching him stutter.

For all you so-called democrats who say you’ll vote for McCain:
Go ahead! Vote for McCain!
You’re probably the same people who voted for George W. twice, and got us into this mess we’re in.
So, if you want to eliminate Roe v. Wade, and continue the deaths of our fellow Americans abroad, so be it.

The reason Obama wants to declare himself the winner early is so the pledged delagates won’t have the opportunity to switch to Hillary at the National Convention. Typical Chicago style corrupt politics as usual.

I HAVE STARTED TO DISLIKE OBAMA :), and it is quite difficult for me to dislike people in general.
Obama and his team are demonstrating a high level of meanness and lack of respect for others. When he trailed the superdelegates, their team were totally against the concept, now that they are leading, they love it. Before the vote of people meant something but their team is chicken and can not see that Hillary may indeed lead in the popular vote.
More importantly, Obama is totally overrated. :)
Do we really want another idiot in the white house? :) …. Or another loser such as Kerry so that McCain goes to white house?
Between Obama and McCain, my democrat vote will be casted for McCain!

“You’re probably the same people who voted for George W. twice, and got us into this mess we’re in.”
No, actually we voted for the Dem candidate, not Nader, not Kucinich. For Gore and Kerry, and we got burned with who the party picked for us. Now we have a candidate that will fight for the agenda we’ve been waiting for, and she’s been told to “go away, your slip is showing, again.” I won’t vote for McCain, but I won’t vote for Obama either, I can’t have that on my conscience.