Obama Moves on to General Election Before Primaries Conclude

I certainly enjoy your posts. I think he’s being smart by campaigning in the general election states. You were absolutely correct when you said that it sends a message to those superdelegates (who matter at this point) that the race is over. HOWEVER, as you also pointed out, everyone is speculating on what the committee will do Saturday, but no one truly knows what will happen. That meeting can completely change the game in terms of the primaries. We will see….

Sure. The only people he is “rubbing the wrong way” are the folks who are inclined to vote for Hillary. She lost, end of story. We need Obama to pivot to the general. We can’t afford to waste time on primaries when a third term of Bush policies looms on the horizon. Obama/Sebelius 08!!

Is it possible () that Obama may have enough private commitments from superdelegates that he knows he will be on top in the end ?
I could give you fifteen names in the “undeclared” that I know will vote for Obama and only stay neutral “because”.
How many others – not as famous – have told them they are for here but won’t say it publicly yet ?
Has it ever occured to you that you – we – don’t know everything. I doubt they’d take that gamble if they weren’t sure of what they are doing

I think hes a very smart man and he is gathering his forces and preparing for the inevitable fight against the forces of repugnant-can evil. He is focused on truth not fantasy. Peace and Obama 08!

Overly confident. The popular vote that he’s rubbed the wrong way will not vote for him in the GE. Do the math.

I’m sick of hearing about mathematical impossibilities…if Obama gets 30% of the vote next week in all the primaries and about 10 more of the 200+ undecided superdelegates, the race is plain and simply, OVER. This isn’t a matter of which side you support, it’s simple math. There’s not a chance in hell the FL and MI delegations get seated 100% –I’d bet millions of dollars on that — and I think even Terry MacCaullife would agree with me.

And that, Jane, is what will cost him the election.

He has moved on since IN and NC. I wonder about, but do not question his strategy. He sure has taken it to Hillary.
I think Hillary was taking the lead from the Republican Party who were coming after him, so when he moved to the GE he took the wind out of Hillary’s sails.
Puerto Rico has no bearing on the GE no matter what happens.
I also think That Hillary and Obama have their ears focused on the Supers and no more about how they lean then do I and the media, and their campaigns reflect that. It is not the media telling Hillary to drop out, it is those Supers.
The Rules committee is not going to side with Hillary, it would be a disaster for them to do so, there are reasons why both the Republican and Democratic Parties need to keep the States in Check.

Simpson,
FACT CHECK!
Obama leads Clinton 33 primaries to 18
Obama has 1974 with 314.5 super Ds
Hillary has 1782 with 282.5 super Ds
Without super delegates:
Obama has 1660 delegates
Clinton has 1460 delegates.
take the super delegates away and clinton is still losing by 200 delegates.
Obama held public office for 11 years
Hillary for 6 years
Popular vote truth:
Popular Vote Total
16,685,941 49.1% 16,227,514 47.7% Obama +458,427 +1.4%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,020,025 49.1% 16,451,376 47.5% Obama +568,649 +1.6%
Popular Vote (w/FL) 17,262,155 48.3% 17,098,500 47.8% Obama +163,655 +0.5%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,596,239 48.3% 17,322,362 47.6% Obama +273,877 +0.7%
No one is stealing anything from Clinton she has lost fair and square!

I keep hearing Hillary supporters say they will vote for McCain if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination. Who cares! Barack is a millionaire. He won’t suffer under McCain. You poor, racist, uneducated Hillary supporters will have to hawk your wares at pawn shops and yard sales to survive under McCain. He will send some of your children to Iraq to get their heads and limbs blown off. Just like Bush, McCain won’t give any of you the time of day if he is elected. If you want to bite off your noses to spite your faces, go ahead.

yes he is smart and sensible .Clinton has been holding up the show for weeks now, with all her drama..
It is time for decisive action ..Reality calls.
Will some people think this is smug of him.? .The Clinton folk .. not th sharpest tools in the shed!.. rather loose an election and send sons to die in an unwinnable war.. than admit defeat.

The difference is that Clinton is playing by a new set of rules (let’s get as many votes as we can, including Puerto Rican votes that won’t count for the general election) because she lost by the real rules (delegates). Why would Obama waste his time playing a game he has already won? And why would the superdelegates think he’s doing the wrong thing?
Jake, did you lose money on this election?

10:29:57 Barnie, We are so glad you approve. Just think-all those votes going to McCain. Right now who is happier to count all the votes? The DNC or John McCain? You can’t have it both ways.

Senator Obama’s magic number to wrap up the nomination is 49 delegates. He has essentially won the nomination so why not move on? He has run a better campaign than Hillary; he has raised more money; he has more pledged delegates, more superdelsgates; more states won…..It seems silly to me that he should just sit and spin his wheels. Moving on is the right thing to do.

Anne the people have decided :
the people have voted for obama 33 to 18
say Clinton won the next 3 its would be 33 to 21 she still loses
Obama leads Clinton 33 primaries to 18
Obama has 1974 with 314.5 super Ds
Hillary has 1782 with 282.5 super Ds
Without super delegates:
Obama has 1660 delegates
Clinton has 1460 delegates.
Obama leads the popular vote even with FL!
Hillary makes all her suporters look stupid by lying to you!
It always a conspiricy withe her !
She is never wrong its always someone elses fault.. She just lost she put up a tough fight but she lost!

Jake, just because you don’t know what the committee is going to decide on the 31st, doesn’t mean that they don’t. The Obama team has several supporters on the committee. The number of Clinton supporters on the committee are in the minority. His team has consistently out maneauvered, out strategized, and out smarted the Clinton machine since Iowa. You’re foolish to think that somehow that will change now. And duh, there is no official “popular vote” Jake, this is a Delegate race. Don’t you read? Popular vote tallies aren’t even kept in several caucus states. Obviously you subscribe to the Clinton’s delusional “only certain states(especially the ones they won) count” theory. If you really believe the so-called “popular vote” will sway the superdelegates to endorse that self-serving power grubbing entitlement troll, then you don’t deserve to have a blog. There will be no “game changers” Jake. The Fat Lady is singing. Dry your tears and let it go. Your girl’s a Loser.

RL in Illinois: Is this the part where the theme song from X-Files is played?

Obama is no different that any other politician. Is this the “change” we can believe in.
Let people you know or do your own contacting that Obama is trying to bribe (and its legal) super delegates whose districts have gone for Clinton to vote for him. The following web sites one shows all the super delegates who have received campaign contributions from Obama
and another site that lists all the super delegates who are uncommitted and let them know they are being watched and any who votes for Obama if Clinton wins the popular vote (and there have been some since w.Va who have done so) will be in trouble in their re-election bids.
http://giveemhell.org/superdelegates.htm
Obama’s Super Delegates & Money Machine

I spoke to someone at the DNC today and she assured me the votes in MI and FL will be counted. I told them I will never give the DNC another dime unless they are. Howard Dean has strategized on a 50-state campaign since becoming chair of the DNC. He had no other choice. The game will change next week for sure.
Never never ever Hussein, if not Hillary, then vote McCain.

rachel,
He is campaigning in those states with contests left but he is also looking up the voters he needs to win the general Election he is going to the places that McBush hopes to win some support nd locking them away before McBush gets his monet together and goes after them..
Its smart and its no disrespect to Hillary it helps her she can get the race in the final states closer and show to woman that they can compete.. That they could be president !
So I dont get your problem ?

I am probably more emabrassed for Hillary than she is allowing us all to see that she is for herself. She has allowed her team to move her from her original objective that is ‘TO CHANGE THIS COUNTRY’. 200-plus years of one societal memebr’s ideology has finally smeared mud on all of us and with her getting as close as she has says America is changing. Bill was on point in defending her as he carfully did not attack Obama; hence trying to secure a VP seat for Hillary. But follwing her teams’ lead into the abyss of old world politics i.e. character assasinations, trying to change the rules in hopes that the changed results will be benefical, is insulting and embarassing. I preach Hillary’s accomplishments to my 17 year old daughter. If I could speak to her I would tell her HILLARY STOP IT..Unfortunately this is where we are yet our nation can and will be changed especially if you refocus and get back on point. America is ready for you but more ready for Obama.

I’m a Hillary supporter who will be voting for McCain in the Fall. And I know many others who feel the same way. Obama is a divisive candidate. HE has divided us. And if he and his supporters think that Hillary’s supporters will just fall in line. Think again. We will be throwing our support to John McCain.

jessica,
withouth they super delegates Obama is still winning so whay is your point ?
PS How old is you baby ? Boy or girl ?
Obama leads Clinton 33 primaries to 18
Obama has 1974 with 314.5 super Ds
Hillary has 1782 with 282.5 super Ds
Without super delegates:
Obama has 1660 delegates
Clinton has 1460 delegates.

In Obamas first year:
Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.
He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.
Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained.

Even Oprah’s rating going down after she endorsed Obama. I love it.

And he STILL cant seal the deal.

Wishful thinking on the part of Hillary’s supporters? ? It is a done deal – face the inevitable and get on with your life. If you cannot handle an Obama presidency, fine, but it seems that Obama faces reality and problems head-on. Unfortunately, Hillary and her supporters digress every day as her campaign winds down to an end.

RL in Illinois: Count the rest of the primaries…..I don’t care…..I never said they shouldn’t count….

RL in Illinois – no, Obama’s supporters have no problem with the delegates still to be counted – they are in Senator Obama’s corner as it is. But for Hillary’s camp to stress that she should have all of the delegates or the majority of the delegates in MI is ridiculous. Guess, it does not matter when it really comes down to it – she still loses.

What part of the US primary election process does Hillary not understand. The winner is simply the candidates who accummulates more delegates than his/her opponents. It doesn’t matter whether the delegates came from small states or big states! No explanations are necessary!As it stands, Barack has all but locked this one. Period!America is democracy–candidates are free to campaign in any state, at any stage, as they judge most effective to the presidential bid.

Obama,booooooooooo ! Drop out already ! Hillary has the popular vote to win in the general election.For him to be campaigning like he’s the nominee is just making himself an enemy to all Hillary supporters and he will never receive their votes in a general election.He is not going to win without the popular votes.If he’s the nominee then all Hillary supporters will probably write in
a Hillary vote.Obama running for President is a loss cause.

bhrandon – great post – you nailed it! :)

Janis: Get a life…Clinton only leads in the popular vote if Obama gets zero votes in MI and if you exclude the results in Maine, Iowa, Nevada, and Washington, which deleated their results…..once again, get a life.

ted:
Do you really think that the only people who are voting for Hillary are women over 60?
And I’ll add mine and couple of my friends for good luck.
Well, hold that thought when they take their decrepit minds and bodies and those of their equally decrepit friendand associates over to the sunny side of the street to get away from B O.
I’ll add my vote for a little added flavor…
Also, the folks at Barnaby’s and Borders’, some of the guys at the
U of I, and about half of the employees at the company for which I work will be joining them!
And I’m sure there are more voters who are equally disgusted with the undemocratic ways of the democratic party who are equaly vehement in their opinions.
The delegates BO has are for the most part B O U H G H T!
Our votes have /are being sold to the highest bidder!
Is this the kind of change you could expect from B O should he win?
G-d Forgive!
Hillary is still in the race!
My vote is still for her!
Should she lose, my vote will go the the other party.
COUNT ON IT!
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Presumptious, yes, and arrogant, yes. And unfortunately, arrogance is one of his perceived problems with voters, so he’s not helping himself there. I think his intended audience, though, is superdelegates.

I’ll vote for the Dem nominee regardless.
I think anyone that will vote for McSame just to spite Obama is a moron. Anyone that wants 4 more years of this war and economy needs to have their head examined.

“It’s useful to win states, but states don’t vote — delegates do,” said Harold Ickes, who is heading up the delegate operation for New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.
“This is very much a race for delegates at this point,” said Ickes, a longtime Clinton insider and aide to President Bill Clinton.

can people just accept the reality that Hillary lost? She was defeated fair and square by a younger smarter opponent. Just call it what it is please.
And for those Dems that will jump to McCain I say that’s fine, no love loss. After all you will need to make up that huge deficit of conservatives (some 25%) that hates McCain and will not vote in Nov.

Jessica: You said you voted for Obama for senate, and now you will vote for Hillary or mccain…..you do realize that Obama will win his homestate in the general don’t you?

Sandy, winning? Winning is measured by the total number of delegates one has accummulated.

Ah, but Sandy, I’m referring to actual votes not delegates.

RL in Illinois: Clinton only leads in the popular vote if Obama gets zero votes in MI and if you exclude the results in Maine, Iowa, Nevada, and Washington, which deleated their results…..

Ted, you must have a thing for the X-Files song.

Brian–you need to go back to kindergarten and learn respect. Senator Clinton is the better candidate and has the most popular votes at this time. Your Senator Obama has been losing voters every day that voted for him before including four in my family and at least 10 friends. Most changed their minds after they found out he was buying the superdelegates by pledging funds for their reelection. Obama and Rev. Wright have the same faith and beliefs and that does not impress rational voters. He is a racist and a socialist.

count all the votes:
Damn straight she’s been winning primaries!
So how come the press keeps all this good news under wraps? I had to track down the BBC to find the enormous percentages with which she won West Virginia and Kentucky!
How come her wins are not as newsworthy as B O’s? Certainly his percentages were not as newsworthy as hers!
And she lost Guam by one vote…. but they think it was a miscount!
This whole election has been a travesty.
It would have been nice if we still had free press!
The thought that B O has gotten this far
with all his negative associations is appalling
I admire your calm. ;-)
I admire Hillary!
I will not vote for B O ever!

Brian:Clinton only leads in the popular vote if Obama gets zero votes in MI and if you exclude the results in Maine, Iowa, Nevada, and Washington, which deleated their results…..seems like your eating up everything that she throws out to you….do the math, and if your not good at it, get someone to do it for you.

Its unbelievable how racist all those Clinton supporters who would vote for McCain are? The reason I’m saying this is Hillary and Obama don’t have a lot of policy differences, but when compared with McCain, each of these two have huge differences with McCain. I can’t think of any other plausable explanation for this phenomenon. I’m not sure how of an impact this will have, but its the most racist thing I have ever heard.

Ted, That’s not conspiracies, that’s politics.

Sandy: Your son is in my prayers.

ted – thank you. David has already completely lost his hearing – he faces deafness for the rest of his life. But the marince Corps needs warm bodies in Iraq so he is still there.

What everyone here who is arguing about Puerto Rico, South Dakota and Montana seem to forget is:
1) The DNC Committee is holding their meeting on May 31st, the day before the Puerto Rico Primary, and three days before Montana and South Dakota.
2) At the very LEAST, the committee will probably agree to seat at least HALF of the delegates from Florida and Michigan, because if I remember hearing correctly what the DNC rules on this subject are, HALF is all they can legally strip the states of delegate-wise.
3) This means that when the Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota primaries are held,Obama’s “Magic” number will no longer be 2026, but a somewhat higher number.
4) And whatever that number is, even if Obama does win both Montana and South Dakota, it is HIGHLY doubtful that he will get anywhere close to the new “Magic” number following the last of the primaries on June 3rd.
5) Which means this race will then probably be going to the floor of the Democratic Convention in August, and once it gets there, ANYTHING can happen.
6) Shall I place the famous Yogi Berra quote here???

And she lost Guam by one vote…. but they think it was a miscount!
questioner
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Yeah Cry baby, 33+ states miscount too?
No may be You cannot count how many states she lost!
OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!

I’m sure that the members of the DNC Rules Committee have been talking amongst themselves and that it’s already been decided what to do. They’re all Democrats and friends. They’ve clearly decided on a scenario that all but gives the nomination to Obama. The Committee has to make it look as if they’re still weighing all sides, but most likely, as politicians do, they’ve talked and caucused already to work out all the details. Only with that knowledge could Obama blow off the rest of the primaries. But at the least, it does come off as arrogant, and the states he passed over will remember his slight come November if the fix is in, as I suspect it is, and if Hillary supporters fall into line.

SandyB – ah! but enough superdelegates will also be in Senator Obama’s corner to tilt the balance to remain still in his favor. The party will not allow a convention fight – it almost destroyed the party the last go-around. Superdelegates move into Senator Obama’s camp continually – I do not see that same migration to Hillary. Dream as you may – it is over.

Since when is Rezko over with???
Did the verdict come in over the holiday weekend and the media missed it??
From what I have read in numerous media outlets, the Rezko indictments were only the first in a long line of indictments left to come………….
From what I understand, Obama’s name was on that prosecuting U.S. Attorney’s “SHORT LIST.”

He is very arrogant and thinks he can win GE election easily and Hillary’s supporters will vote for him. He thinks he is better than McCain to solve the iraq war and economy with his empty suite. All Hillary’s supporters rather vote for an experience candidate. He tries to distort McCain = Bush but voters are not dumb to believe him.

guam was won by 7 votes
and the conspiracy where someones backers were tyring to buy off super delegates…
that would be clintons people…
One of Sen. Hillary Clinton’s top financial supporters offered $1 million to the Young Democrats of America during a phone conversation in which he also pressed for the organization’s two uncommitted superdelegates to endorse the New York Democrat, a high-ranking official with YDA told The Huffington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/19/superdelegates-turned-dow_n_102450.html

Rezo is over – get over it already for goodness sake – the trial is done, the verdict only affects Rezko – set your sites on Paul vs. Clinton instead.

Lu: Regardless of whether you vote Dem or Republican, I believe that you are a sensible person from what you said in your post.

Anyone who thinks that the Rezko verdict will only affect Rezko is deluding themselves.
Of course, it’s the indictments that follow that will prove more interesting.

bhrandon ”
The gentleman accused of soliciting that bid has denied doing so.
I’m talking about the MANY “bought” delegates “OUT THERE”.
And yes, it matters to the outcome of this election…..BUT SINCE WHEN ARE OUR VOTES UP FOR SALE?
How did this come about?
What ever happened to Democracy, and one vote per citizen?
If this doesn’t concern you, then this country is in deeper distress than we thought!

sandy,
I hope and pray your son come home safely as will my friends. It is time to change Shock and Aww with expense of our beloved countrymen by the people who never think how mothers and fathers feel for their sons and daughters!
Be strong and you are in the right track!

Kate: I would love it if he chose Gov. Sebilius, although I know that some Clinton supporters will whine about it…..my second choice would be Hagel….I believe that Webb would be better suited to stay in his senate seat….Obama better not choose Ed Rendell becuase he’s worse than Clinton!

Wesley Clark for VP (My dream VP candidate). He is a Hillary supporter but he is a fine gentleman!
OBAMA/CLARK 08!! YES WE CAN!!

jacksmith i think you meant to say the republicans have been voting for hillary
since THATS WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING
they would love to run against hillary….they have the play book on her already written, with obama its too different they dont know what the hell to do
they see a crowd of 75k show up for him and they crap their pants, and have to try to say a popular band is what brought those people out…
let me tell you as an oregonian, no one especially 75k people (more then rolling stones concerts) dont show up to a decemberists show…
maybe 75 lol they cant sell out a bar

Bill Richardson would be another good choice as would Chris Dodd…..Although I am not a fan of Joe Biden, he wouldn’t be bad either…..the one thing that I do know is that choosing Edwards would be a huge error.

bhrandon,
In NC, I went for an OBAMA event ticket, they were gone within 2 hours!
It is a movement, very hard to compete against. Hillary tried very hard but it was not just her time this year!
OBAMA08! YES WE CAN!!

Obama isn’t the nominee. He needs to stop pretending and face the possibility that this will probably go to the convention. The people aren’t fooled by these games.

Sandy:I hadn’t thought of the whole 2 senator thing….I just think that Webb would be more effective in getting Virginia to go to Obama’s side in the fall…..personally, I think that Claire Mccaskill of MO would be great as either a VP or cabinet member….

Karen,
Yep he will go to convention with most delegates to confirm his nomination and to thank Hillary for her hard work and support.
OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!

RC – same here – the tickets are gone before one can almost take a breath. Senator Obama was in my state today in a beautiful mountain setting – the turnout for him was overwhelming!

ted: “personally, I think that Claire Mccaskill of MO would be great as either a VP or cabinet member….”
Are you talking about the same Claire McCaskill who has the poor judgment to go on several programs saying that her teenage daughter was in her face, calling her a slug and saying that she was ashamed of her if she didn’t support Obama? The same McCaskill who said that Obama’s famous race speech showed that he was the first AA speaking to us as a leader, not a victim? Of course, that was kept pretty much out of the media.
Anyway, doesn’t sound like a very good choice to me. In fact, she shouldn’t have another term as Senator.

ted – McCaskill is another good choice. And I agree, Webb could help a great deal in getting Virginia to go for Obama. Webb holds a special place inmyheart – he camapigned in his son’s combat boots – he is one of the few members of Congress who actually has a child serving in the war.

Karen: “I’m a Hillary supporter, but that whole “Judas” thing was ridiculous. Richardson doesn’t Hillary anything just because he worked in Bill Clinton’s Cabinet. ”
The way I understand it, there was a lot more to the Judas reference than that. Richardson was deceitful about what he was going to do and even told Bill C. that he would not endorse Obama – on more than one occasion.

Finally somebody agreed this whole thing is to convince everyone, especially the media, the 200 plus uncommited superdelegates to say this ia all over.

My dear democrat,are we campaigning for the nomination or associnations?I think IT is arogant to keep on campaign because your planning is to kill some one rather then focusing on the agenda.Hilary, as one of your supporter you had disapointed me and now It is time to give up the political fight and go on associnations planning. Shame on you Hilary

RC,
You are a bit confused. Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic candidate in 2012 if Obama gets selected for ’08. This very thread is a case in point. Obama wants to move to the general before the primary is concluded. I wonder if he remembers to zip up after going to the bathroom each time while he’s still being potty trained. The guy is green behind the ears and McCain is already trouncing him big time.
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Hillary 2008 or Hillary 2012, the lower the year the higher the IQ of the Democratic Party
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Maybe he believed what Jimmy Carter has said yesterday.
What a surprise if it turnout to be the other way, the uncommited SD not go to him but Hillary.

Frustrated?
No, I just have reasonable expectations that my elected officials (especially those for whom I have voted), to keep their word to their constituents.
By not abiding by his own earlier declaration as to what his superdelegate position would be, he has betrayed the trust that I have always had in him.
As I have said before, Mr. Carville was being kind with his Judas reference.

SandyB,
Which one is it ??
Clinton says SD’d they can vote their conscience and then you attack richardson for doing that ?
Or is everyone a judus that dosnet vote Clinton ?

Marty what part dont you get ?
She lost because she didnt win thats just how it goes you can say two caucuses where not fair you can say he brought off the supper Ds but the facts dont support it:
Obama leads Clinton 33 primaries to 18
Obama leads Clinton in pledged delegates
Without super delegates:
Obama has 1660 delegates
Clinton has 1460 delegates
Obama has 1974 with 314.5 super Ds
Hillary has 1782 with 282.5 super Ds

Marty, you have brought up a good point, especially in regard to caucuses. I don’s understandy why there isn’t more of a discussion about them. The only mainstream kind of reporting I heard on this was NPR’s recording of a Washington State caucus — woman supporting Clinton gets up to talk about Hillary, her son standing by her side. The Obama people wouldn’t let her speak, heckled her, “We want change! We want it now!” brought her to tears. From what I’ve heard, there are stories like that from all caucus states. How sad for the citizens of those states who had been proud participants in the process, now intimidated by bullies shipped in to disrupt.

What Bill Richardson previously said regarding HIS OWN position on being a superdelegate, has NOTHING to do with Hillary’s beliefs on the subject.
I’m talking about what Richardson previously said on more than one occasion, and that was that his view on being a superdelegate was that they should go with the will of their constituents, and that so would he.
As Governor of New Mexico, his state went to Hillary. I only felt that he should keep his word.
If Hillary feels a superdelegate should vote their conscience, she is entitled to that belief.
As a citizen of Governor Richardson’s state, and one who has supported his previous campaigns, I felt that he should have kept his word and gone the way of his constituents.

catleya,
Why are you fighting about the assassination thing again ?
Clinton has said sorry.. She was wrong ! Move on
It was a stupid thing to say can you name another candidate that has brought up assassination in an election ?
It was crazy and everyone really knows what she meant…
Move on

bhrandon, I had always thought something was fishy about the Guam election event!

To Kate–about Maria. I totally agree with Maria. Obama is not for all Americans. He has a agenda of divide and conquer. Just tell em anything so they will vote for me. I am the ONE.

Mary,
“He has a agenda of divide and conquer. Just tell em anything so they will vote for me. I am the ONE.”
How so mary ?

But SandyB, the governor never gave his word…only stated his view at the time. One thing you don’t do in an election, especially when you are not a candidate, is give your word…this whole thing is one huge debate…and if you couldn’t change minds, what’s the point?

” .. the committee meeting can completely change the game in terms of the primaries. ”
Imagine this; If they change the game and Hillary gets the nomination, Obamabots may decide the what is good for the goose is good for the gender: They will to play the in the Clintonite games. Some will not to go to the polls on Nov 4. Most will vote for McCain – just to deny Hillary and Monica’s Billy the pleasure. of course Hillary and Billy don’t think that will happen. But they have been repeatedly dead wrong in their doomed campaign.
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“.. most of the people (in the Rules Committee of the Democratic Party) that voted for (punishing Florida and Michigan) were Clinton people, because there wasn’t such a thing as Obama people in the establishment then.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080522/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_the_outsider;_ylt=AuUrz9iVw0lrmD7pwO51aGsb.3QA
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josgirl,
Obama will be the nominee as soon as he get the 49 delegates he needs then all the suppers will get behind him..
Why havent the all put an end to this ?
Because they want to register as many voters as they can…
They have also given Hillary time to suck as much money from her supporter so she can retire her $20million plus debt..
We will she who is right on June 4 Ill meet you back here deal ?

How so?
Regarding Reverend Wright:
“I cannot disown him any more than I can disown my WHITE grandmother (and why does he feel the need to qualify his grandmother as being WHITE anyway??? and how does his grandmother WHO HELPED RAISE HIM, get lumped in the same category with his pastor anyway???)”
Fast forward two or three weeks:
“Oh, wait, he’s gone too far this time…now I can disown him….”
Reverend Wright was no less the same person than he ever was in April than he was in March, but NOW he’s an inconvenience and a political liability.
Kind of makes you wonder how much longer Grandma (with her uneasiness around strange AA men) has left in the beams of his two-faced ray of sunshine…………..

cappamore,
I love the end bit of your post! LOL
Obama leads Clinton 33 primaries to 18
Obama has 1974 with 314.5 super Ds
Hillary has 1782 with 282.5 super Ds
Without super delegates:
Obama has 1660 delegates
Clinton has 1460 delegates.
Obama leads the popular vote even with FL
WHICH PART OF THAT DONT YOU GET ?
OBAMA NEEDS ONLY 49 delegates of any kind and he is the nominee !

Really, TK???
Is that how it works???
Then if all superdelegates are allowed to change their minds at any time, and if some other problem arises in the next couple of weeks with Saint Obama, or if by some miracle they all come to their senses, then that means the 300+ Super D’s who have come out for Obama can go to the convention floor in August and say they are now for Hillary, even though he has won the majority of pledged delegates????
Wow, let’s see how that one flies……

SandyB, ofcourse everyone reserves the right to change one’s mind; but, the pledged delegates less so, otherwise, why do we hold elections? I agree that your senario is totally possible, but also very very unlikely.

To all Hillary supporters, a message from your leader!
“I’m going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is. Obviously, I’m still hoping to be that nominee, but I’m going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me … understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama.”
Clinton was responding to a question from a CNN iReporter who asked why she thought so many of her supporters would choose McCain over Obama….
Obama 08!

Rules are rules
There are currently a total of 796 unpledged delegates (known as superdelegates) who are free to vote for any candidate at the convention.
-wikipedia
“Unpledged PLEOs” consisting of the following:
Democratic National Committee members.
Democratic Members of Congress (U.S. Senators and Representatives, except those who are to be Pledged PLEOs).
Democratic Governors, except those who are already members of the Democratic National Committee and, therefore, are delegates re: a.) above.
Distinguished Party Leaders (current and former U.S. Presidents and Vice-Presidents, former Democratic Leaders of the U.S. Senate and U.S, House- including former Democratic Speakers of the House and former chairmen of the Democratic National Committee. and
These “Unpledged” delegates go to the Convention officially “Unpledged” (that is, not committed- ahead of time- to vote for any particular presidential contender), though it is well known that many- if not most- of these may very well be privately supporting a presidential contender.
-the green papers

Folks need to educate themselves how parties work. Everone on any democrat ticket for office WANTED to be on the democrat ticket.
Any candidate that does not like the way the party elects its nominee or doesnt like its rules are all free to go play some other game.
The two parties exist because the candidates need them.. they dont need the candidates. For some reason folks think that the nomination process is democratic in nature when its NOT in either party. You have to understand that the Party is the Party and not the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
Everyone keeps wanting to make this issue about VOTES COUNTING well it doesnt matter about VOTES. Simply put VOTES are no more than an indicator to the party who voters prefer. A vote in a primary is ANYTHING BUT an election. The candidates all know this but they try to spin things to upset the electoriate to favor them when they start indicating popular vote means anything.
Republicans have a ridiculous winner take all in most states for delegates again that is ANYTHING BUT democratic.
example.. 5 people on republican ticket.. 4 get 19% and the 5th gets 24% the state has 200 delegates.. the first 4 candidates get 0 delegates and the 5th candidate gets 200 delegates. that means that 76% of the Republicans that voted didnt get a thing for their vote. And we say the Democrats dont count everyones vote??

Obama is so arrogant that it defies belief – and this from a junior senator with little experience! I’d like to see him pull this trick in the general election acting like he is President before the voters decide. Mark my words, his arrogance will be his undoing.
And he’ll never win in Novemeber – even the dogs in the street know it. Hopefully the DNC will come to their senses before August….

Mark
Hillary Clinton is the junior Seanator from NY

Fidel Castro endorsed somebody. I wonder who Charles Manson or David Duke or some wino in a ditch is endorsing or heck maybe LASSIE?
The media is definately DESPERATE to find something to talk about politically.
WAIT>> lets put all three candidates on a different mattress and see which one snores the loudest.. that would be some great political news. Or give them a bad breath test early in the morning.. that another great informative story for voters to decide on.

Going ahead of the outcome reminds me of the newspaper declaring Dewey winner over Truman in the ’40′s.

Matthew, that’s rather good news…maybe, there is still hope for us in the world yet!

What the BBC reported:
Jimmy Carter
He also described Israeli treatment of Palestinians as “one of the greatest human rights crimes on earth”.
Former Israeli military intelligence chief Aharon Zeevi-Farkash told Reuters news agency he considered Mr Carter’s comments “irresponsible”.
However, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert included Israel among a list of nuclear states in comments in December 2006, a week after US Defence Secretary Robert Gates used a similar form of words during a Senate hearing.
During the press briefing, Mr Carter expressed his support for Israel as a country, but criticised its domestic and foreign policy.
“One of the greatest human rights crimes on earth is the starvation and imprisonment of 1.6m Palestinians,” he said.
The former US president cited statistics which he said showed the nutritional intake of some Palestinian children was below that of children in Sub-Saharan Africa, as well as saying the European position on Israel could be best described as “supine”.
Mr Carter, awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in 2002, brokered the 1979 Egypt-Israel peace treaty, the first between Israel and an Arab state.
As for Fidel Castro in case you didnt know Matthew this is America who but you gives a damn who Fidel endorses ?
Fidel said of the three Obama seems more progressive “SHOCKING”
Its like asking me whats faster a car a push bike or a jet ?
Of course Obama is more progresive he is looking to the future he is actualy going to use our state department for a change It will actually be doing some dipomacy not just to gain aproval for wars!

thank you joe, i appreciate the fact your the first one to pay me a compiment and i am glad you like my humor.
may i suggest you go back and read what i said instead of copy and pasting it.
i am giving you credit that not only can you read but you can comprehend what you read.
your prob with my comment seems to be that you comprehended incorrectly that i wrote you were basicly stupid if you supported a candidate. I didnt say that. I said that folks were showing and proving their stupidity when they just come here and make lame taking point statements and statements with no factual merrit and i accused supporters of all candidates in both parties.
But joe all i can tell ya buddy is like my moma said “If the Shoe FITS WEAR IT”
Take the time to read each and every comment i have made and you will PLAINLY see i have not shown a preference to EITHER candidate but just so you know i am a Democrat and i will vote democrat no matter who the candidate is. I vote my kids pocket book and the future. I have made my own financial security.
but to make this totally about politics and for ANY CANDIDATE you want to say something bad about i can counter that with an almost exact example for the other two candidates. Name your own poison. Thats why i feel we should debate issues.
or i could just say
MC CAIN IS THE BEST
OBAMA IS THE BEST
HILLARY IS THE BEST
smile worse times are on their way no matter who you vote for unless you have made some fantastic investments.

They actually declared Bill Clinton the nominee in April of 1992 (not June). He had an insurmountable lead over Jerry Brown in April. It was June when he actually got the number of delgates needed.
Hillary said, in her recent statement about Bobby Kennedy, it was JUNE when her husband WON the nomination. Ok. We’ll use her measure – the number of DELEGATES needed. That’s not the convention. That’s JUNE.
So why do her supporters keep saying the nominee is not declared until the convention? Even Hillary says it occurs when the number of delegates needed is reached. Obama needs only 49.
Get over it – she will not be the nominee.

EddienTexas wrote:
“your prob with my comment seems to be that you comprehended incorrectly that i wrote you were basicly stupid if you supported a candidate. I didnt say that.”
joeS wrote:
“So basically having an opinion about who a person believes will win(2.1) the campaign automatically qualifies a person as being an idiot(2.2) in your book”
EddienTexas wrote:
“I find it amusing when supporters of any candidate in any party predict defeat or victory for any candidate.(2.1)
For you ignorant uneducated people of all candidates I say this(2.2)”
You make the inference that people who predict victory or defeat are ignorant and uneducated, you can support somebody regardless of whether you believe they will win or lose. Therefore I was not making a reference to support but to those who you (“believes will win”). You did not comprehend me. I do appreciate that you attempt to be balanced in your debate but to suggest “we make this totally about politics” when you say things like “so you come here and just bad mouth political candidates to have someone to blame for your own personal failures as a human being.” Seems a little rich!
“may i suggest you go back and read what i said instead of copy and pasting it.” You can suggest whatever you wish but the use of quotes is a “serviceable replacement for whit”.

is there any question?
A R R O G A N T
I’ll never vote for Obama.

Is it just me or are you not paying attention. Obama only needs 48 or so delegates period…get a clue guys.. he will gain that before or on June 4th.
HANG IT UP CLINTON SUPPORTERS, MAYBE IN 2016….

Obama will be the 44th POTUS

sen clinton has worked her whole life trying to make a difference in other people lives. no matter what you say
her record of good works stands.
when the time came-she and rangel and some others decided maybe it is time to run for the wh. and she put a team together to explore if that was viable.
obama on the other hand has a short political resume’ still people are saying we don’t know him
obama had people come to him and say we want to make you president.
there is a difference here.
obama is underqualfied to be POTUS
and he will not win in nov.

eddientex
there is nothing hidden about my telling i am black
when people see me i don’t have to say
black.
as i said i list my color just to let people know not all blacks are voting for obama.
because i feel the black people who are
are doing it blindly-as was bore out in your state.
exit polls asking people who they voted for, when said obama asked why,
didn’t know just for change.
once again no hidden meaning from me
so if you think there is a hidden meaning tell me what it is and i will tell you if you are correct on my part.

CWatson: If Obama is the nominee he is a loser in November. He cannot and will not win the battleground states and her voters will shift to McCain. However, if Hillary is smart she would declare herself an independent and that would take thousands of votes away from him. I would do that to split the democrats because of the DNC and Dean. McCain would win and even being a democrat I don’t care.

Obama is being pushed on Democrats by the media and the DNC. However, a growing anti-Obama movement is forming with a number of different groups. You can stream Steve Corbett’s “Operation Turndown Obama” weekdays from 3-7 online at:
It’s an interesting show with callers from all over the U.S.

let me put it this way.. I dont care if a single woman votes for Hillary if she is my candidate i will vote for her.. I dont care if one single black person votes for Obama but if he is my candidate i will vote for him.
To be politically incorrect but straigt to the point.
IM NOT BLACK AND IM NOT FEMALE and im sick and tired of people like you making that an issue or even bringing it up!
Why cant people just be Americans! Honestly people like you dont belong in the democratic party in my opinion and i dont care if you vote Obama or Clinton or McCain or dont vote.

Popular vote as of May 27, 2008
These figures INCLUDE Florida and Michigan, as they were fairly and legitimately earned by Senator Hillary Clinton, and have been validated by the respective Secretary’s of State.
Clinton 17,426,809
Obama 17,262,155
Total Diff. 164,654 (Clinton)
Pct. Diff. +0.45% (Clinton)
Above figures from RealClearPolitics.com
So, why SHOULD Hillary quit NOW?
Who do you think will be leading when the dust settles?
Hint – See below:
Combined population of Montana and South Dakota = 1,752,039
Population of Puerto Rico = 8,086,459

Which Democratic candidate is more electable?
Consider this:
This is how the Electoral College stands as of May 27, 2008, showing strengths of Clinton vs. Obama, based on their results. For those who have not understood, this is not a head-to-head matchup, but rather a side-by-side comparison.
This assumes a winner-take-all primary/caucus vote takes all Electoral votes for each state. The totals immediately below are WITHOUT any consideration of the states of Florida and Michigan.
Clinton 264
Obama 224
But with Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 308
Obama 224
With just Florida added, which was won by Clinton, fairly and squarely, the Electoral College Vote is:
Clinton 291 (includes Kentucky)
Obama 224 (includes Oregon)
Assuming the following victories, based on current polls, with Clinton winning NOTHING ELSE, and Obama winning South Dakota, and Montana, the totals would then be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 264 (includes Kentucky)
Obama 230 (includes Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota)
On June 4, 2008, with Florida, Michigan and Kentucky for Clinton, and, being charitable, with Oregon, South Dakota and Montana for Obama:
Clinton 308
Obama 230
Please note that it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the General Election.
Whether or not the vote turns out as indicated, I firmly believe the above analysis more than amply demonstrates which of the Democratic candidates is in a better position to be the stronger candidate in the General Election.
P.S. – One last thought about this Electoral College Vote analysis; in it I gave Senator Obama full credit for the state caucuses he won. However, it should be noted that there are not any caucuses to be won in the Big Leagues during the General Election. There are only PRIMARIES, WINNER-TAKE-ALL.
And I am sure the “Super Delegates” are aware of that.

Mariann Pepitone
Great republican spin..
lets play dirty wife politics
CINDY MCCAIN DRUG ADDICT
CINDY MCCAIN THIEF
CINDY MCCAIN FORGER
CINDY MCCAIN RICH AND STEALS FROM A CHARITY
dont chunk rocks when your standin in a glass house republican female spinster!!

2/11/2008
Obama and Clinton Campaigns Agree that Superdelegates Should Vote for Who They Think Would be the Strongest Candidate for the Party
Top Obama Strategist Axelrod on Superdelegates
From this morning on NBC:
LAUER: Let me ask you about superdelegates. A lot of discussion about the role they’re going to play in all this by the time it’s over and the debate being whether they should vote out of loyalty to a candidate, particularly if they’re elected officials, or whether they should vote the way their state or district votes.
So, when it comes to Senators John Kerry and Senator Ted Kennedy, should they vote for had Barack Obama because they’ve endorsed him or should they vote for Hillary Clinton because the state of Massachusetts voted for Hillary Clinton?
AXELROD: I think that the role of the superdelegate is to act as, sort of, a party elder. These are elected officials from across the country and they’re supposed to exercise their judgment as to what would be best for the party. And as they look at this, they need to decide who would be the strongest candidate for the party…
LAUER: David, you’re not answering. Should those two senators vote for Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton?
AXELROD: I think they and all the superdelegates should vote according to what they think is best for the party and the country. And I think that we need the strongest possible candidate against John McCain…

Obama is doing exactly what he has to do-moving forward.

Mariann Pepitone wrote:
“If Hillary…”
No use..she’s broke and would have make up the deficit of $30 million before she could even think about printing a bumper sticker. She may be smart but a poor manager. Still, if she were the nom, she’d get my vote.

After watching this race play out over the last few weeks, I have totally lost respect for the Clinton’s. They have injected racism, sexism, terrorism and murder into their campaign. They have ruined their political careers.

Yes, I suggest all you Hillary supporters call the DNC and refuse to send money. If you have such powers over the DNC, why is your candidate $21 million in debt as of May 20th?.

Mariann Pepitone
i support obama and hillary but geeeeeeeeesh to say obama has a lot of money.. hell hillary kitchen cost more than 2 million dollars.
if some republican is paying you your not earning your money!
As to obama being trounced by clinton.. yeah look at where he got trounced and look at the kind of voters that trounced him! Those voters wouldnt vote for a democrat because their snake handlin preachers would send them to hell.
Hillary is a good candidate but Obama ran off 12 straight victories in a row.
your argument is mute!

TK: No one is telling you to sell your soul. If your candidate doesn’t win the nomination and you don’t like the other one then you either don’t vote, write you candidate in or vote republican. What do you think the battleground states are going to do that wouldn’t give Obama their votes. Don’t you think many of them are going to vote for McCain. They didn’t vote Obama because they don’t want him as president. And I don’t blame them. How stupid can he be to tell Castro he would not lift the embargo when he isn’t even the president yet. And to say he would sit down with Hamas and discuss terms. Do we want a world war III? If he is elected Hamas, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda will be dancing in the streets because they already know about him that’s why they want him elected. They know that he’s a no nothing and they will be planning their next attack. If that happens he will run and hide somewhere.

Support the troops. Support Webb’s ver GI Bill!

Barry does not matter how early you start, you are unelectable!
Time for you to find your favorite pew and do what ever with your REV WRIGHT!

A few unpopular decisions by President Obama and the love affair and fanatical fans will quickly fade.
He won’t have Hillary or racist or his campaign to blame for his gaffes…
Obama’s weaknesses,inexperience, extreme left views will be exposed and America loses.
We have to vote Hillary or McCain to protect America.

Democrats who are getting their feelings hurt by how Senator Obama is choosing to finish the primary campaign season should just vote for John McCain and get 8 more years of the Iraq War, the inasion of Iran and, for domestic policy, the reversal of Roe vs. Wade. That will show Senator Obama a thing or two.

and it will show the dnc, the media, and obama supporters who voted for him before really knowing anything about him
obama is underqualfied to be president.
he should have tried to add to his political resume’ before running for president.
the dnc should have tried to be fair. they were not.
the media should have not taken sides they should have vetted obama early on
if they had the dems would have been going back to the wh.
if not with sen. clinton, biden or edwards.
black people voted blindly for obama for all the wrong reasons for voting for a president.
and now the country will suffer

Obama is doing the right thing, let’s get the DNC juggernaut going, dispel RNC’s hogwash, and patch up Clinton’s slurs.
We’ve all seen how fast things have changed since Last November, by November ’08 it’ll be “Hilary who?”
It’s high time this country gets united, gets Bush/Cheney into the historical best seller list, and starts using the incredible amount of tax dollars we Americans give to the IRS for humanitarian aid and diplomacy instead of bombs.
Us babay boomers thought we’d done it right by getting Nixon gone and the US out of Vietnam. Looks like we were just priming the pump so the next generation could really step up to the plate.
Obama in ’08 and ’12.

I think he has to manage a fine balancing act. On the one hand, he needs to go back to S.D., MT, and PR, and campaign like he wants to win these states. On the other hand, campaignig as if he were already in the GE, as he did over the weekend sends an important signal not only to the Supers, but also to McCain.
But it is a fine line.

Obama has to move on because McCain has moved on! The DEM party continues to hide its head in the sand an hope it all works out.
Hillary probably will win PuertoRico by 70-30 and loose MT and SD moderately….this is getting very predictable. But it won’t matter.

Many women who are avowed Hillary Clinton supporters are declaring they won’t vote for Barack Obama in the fall. I get the anger and the disappointment. But to quote SNL’s Amy Poehler and Seth Meyers: Really? You’d rather vote for John McCain, a man who has a 25-year history of voting against a woman’s right to choose? A man who over the last eight years that NARAL has released a pro-choice scorecard has received a 0 percent rating? A man whose campaign website says he believes Roe v. Wade “must be overturned”? A man who has vowed that, as president, he will be “a loyal and unswerving friend of the right to life movement”? Really?

If Obama was seriously campaigning to WIN the general election, you’d think he’d start mending some fences with all the HRC “sweeties” he’s royally ticked off!

YES WE CAN speak truth to power.
YES WE CAN stand in righteous indignation against the injustice we have felt from members of our own party.
YES WE CAN exercise our right to vote for whomever we feel will best serve the nation.
YES WE CAN refuse to support a party that has turned it’s back on it’s most loyal supporters.
YES WE CAN stand on principle, in large numbers, because there are more important things than politics.
YES WE CAN change our party affiliation.
YES WE CAN stand up against fear mongering from our former party(Roe v. Wade)
YES WE CAN recognize incompetence in our Democratic Congress and feel secure in knowing that they don’t get anything done anyway.
YES WE CAN say NO to change we don’t believe in.
YES WE CAN vote for McCain in Nov, and deny the presidency to a man we consider to be nothing more than a politically expedient, self serving, corrupt fraud.
YES WE CAN, and many of us will.

Arrogant? You bet. Let the people finish voting please. Then the MI and FL votes have to be worked out and then the SuperDems must vote. This is not a done deal. To act like it is, really is presumptious and disrespectful to the remaining voters and it’s disrespectful to the process. June 3rd is just a week away, the Obama camp could have waited until then at the very least.

It is SO tragic how the media has hurt Hillary OVER AND OVER again, how the late night show hosts ridicule her, not her policies, but her laugh, her facial expressions, stupid things that are WAY below the belt, from everyone, mostly men, who are really scared of a woman in a previously man’s position. That shows their insecurities and stupidities. But precious Obama has never been subject to such verbal torment by the media, probably because he is a man.
The men cannot accept that a woman is really that intelligent, qualified to be President, experienced, and that would make the best President we would have ever seen in a long, long time.
The two-faced treatment of Hillary in the press, and with Obama not facing the same treatment from everyone, has given him an unfair advantage. No one ever heard of him before this, he has no track record, and if he wins, he will have won unfairly, by stupid people.
GET REAL. GROW UP. VOTE FOR THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON, WITH THE BEST HEAD ON THEIR SHOULDERS. WE NEED A GOOD PRESIDENT LIKE HILLARY!