Obama Proposes ‘Team of Rivals’ Cabinet

why is everybody continuing to underestimate the Clintons’ duplicity? I don’t think he should let them within 1000 feet of the White House. To take her on as VP would be a huge mistake for that reason alone. Another reason: it would make him unelectable. Hillary is not as electable as she thinks she is. Over half the country despises her and did way before Obama came on the scene.

everyday, and just about everytime obama opens his mouth he shows he is not ready to be president.
I hope sen. clinton will not be his vp.
because after the way michelle obama has talked about the clintons, and the media has treated her. obama does not deserve to have her.
she is too smart for him now, and she is to smart to take second place to him.
but he needs her. and i’ll bet he wants her. if not as vp, he will want her counsel in some way.
she schooled him on national tv. during a debate on how he should react to the minister farrakahn. remember his statement “if that is what she wants me to say, thats what i will say.”
our country is in bad shape, and he is not going to be able to make it better.
he has changing washington-what we need is someone who can work with washington to change the direction of this country for the better.

Hints are over the place that Hillary wants the VP, but hints are all over the place that it will not be her.
So we will see.

obama and michelle will be doing sen. clinton a favor to NOT have her with them.
michelle said if sen. clinton were the nominee she would have to think about campaigning for her.
I wish i could give michelle and barack obama sen. clinton’s answer when they need sen. clinton to campaign for them.
she is to smart for obama.
she will be a better at ANYTHING
she dicided to do than obama and his being president.

OBAMA WOULD DO AND SAY ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED. DON’T YOU PEOPLE SEE THIS BY NOW?? HE CHANGES HIS ANSWERS WITH EVERY AUDIANCE.
IRAN, NO BIG PROBLEM, NEXT DAY, GRAVE PROBLEM. MEET WITH NUTS NO CONDITIONS, NO MEET WITH NUTS, BUT NEED PREPARATION.
PARSING WORDS WILL BE HIS PRESIDENCY CAN’T YOU SEE THIS??/
THIS IS EXACLTY WHAT YOU ARE HOPING FOR.
SOMEONE WHO TALKS OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF HIS MOUTH. HE THINKS HE CAN TALK HIS WAY OUT OF ANYTHING THAT’S WHY HE IS DANGEROUS. B/C OUR ENEMIES DON’T DRINK OBAMA KOOLAID LIKE SOME OF YOU DO.
HE’S HORRIBLE. AND IF HE WINS HE’LL BE LIKE CARTER, ONE TERM AND OUT.
HILLARY SHOULD NEVER ACCEPT A VP SPOT WHY SHOULD SHE CONTINUE TO TEACH HIM HOW TO CAMPAIGN AND HOW TO GOVERN.
LET HIS ANGRY WIFE TEACH HIM.
NO BAMA

He will not pick a rep and Billy boy is pushing hard for Hilly and he can push her back to New York and they both stay there..
No Clinotns in the White House

He hasnt won the nomination has he? Kinda putting the cart before the horse isnt he? LOL

His ‘change’ means going from white to black. I just figured it out.

Obama likes to compare himself to Lincoln. Obama is no Lincoln:
The Lincoln comparison is tortured. Yes, Lincoln spent only two years in the House after winning election in 1846. Yet his deep involvement in state and national politics began in 1832, the same year he was elected a captain in the Illinois militia — and 28 years before he ran for president. He then served as leader of the Illinois Whig Party and served his far-from-undistinguished term in Congress courageously leading opposition to the Mexican War.
After returning home, he became one of the leading railroad lawyers in the country, emerged as an outspoken antislavery leader of Illinois’ Republican Party — and then, in 1858, ran unsuccessfully for the Senate and engaged with Stephen A. Douglas in the nation’s most important debates over slavery before the Civil War. It behooves the champions of any candidate to think carefully when citing similarities to Lincoln’s record. In this case, the comparison is absurd.

Obama’s old associates and his new associates are really troubling. Which direction is this great nation heading to?

Go back to Illinos, BO

Old man McCain will never win. And if this country is stupid enough to vote another republican into office after 8 years of Bush, then we are definately no super power and will be the laughing stock of the world again. McCain and Bush have the same policies. Isn’t that what we want to get away from.

Shewill,
I doubt any Republicans are going to wreck their careers by affiliating with Barack Obama. It won’t happen. As soon as word gets out that he’s looking in that direction the Daily Kos Mafia will abandon him en masse and get behind some yokel like Nader, instead. Just another idea on how to create a train wreck. Kerry probably lost 5 points over his flirtation with McCain and look at how that turned out.
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Obama and BitterGate, we shall not forget!
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westcoastmessenger, does it make you feel better to call me a knucklehead because I have my own opinion and don’t fall in line with yours. Do you feel like you are better than me. Sorry I think this country is stupid to vote McCain. And we are stupid for putting Bush in for another term. We are a laughing stock and not the super power we once were. But that obviously doesn’t matter to you.

Then I guess it’s ok to vote McCain!!! Thanks Obama….See, it’s not all about party!!! So stop bashing the Clinton supporters who are dumping him like tea in Boston Harbor.

Nicholas, blab, blab, blab. Yes we know you won’t vote for Obama. You keep posting that anywhere and everywhere. We don’t care. JUST DO IT AND STOP POSTING IT ABOUT IT. I am so sick of reading this.

DefinitelyNoObama, I definitely agree with you.

As a very strong Hillary supporter, I am extremely encouraged by the above piece and Barak’s comments. It is surprising that the TV/press talking heads have not commented on the obvious positive implications an Obama-Clinton ticket would mean for the election of a super-majority of down-ticket Democratic congressmen/women and Senators in the fall. Such a ticket would result in a massive turnout for the Dems and create an unstoppable Democratic majority for many years to come. It would also erase in a nanosecond the great dissapointment and even resentment many Hillary supporters would feel should she not be on the ticket and allow Obama to much more easily achieve his worthy legislative goals. The Clintons could barnstorm the states she is particularly strong in, allowing Obama to concentrate more on the purple states. Hillary on the ticket would clearly bring in more women, elderly and non-college educated voters for the Dems–net result = a massive Democratic congressional majority beginning in 2009. I hope he keeps an open mind about including Hillary on the ticket!!

Tom Ziegler,
I really don’t think Obama was talking about Hillary as VP. I think that would have happened a long time if she were his choice, unless of course he is afraid that MI and FL might be counted. There is that new federal suit filed today by three FL delegates.

I don’t believe the tactic of “vote against so-and-so” generally works; if people have a negative opinion of the candidates many choose not to vote at all. The assumption that McCain broadly appeals to Republicans is clearly false. He is hardly conservative enough fiscally to vote for him. He supports a very expensive war with limited potential benefits. His econonomic plans aren’t great. And he has no real moral sway with evangelicals. So, there’s no real driving force to vote for him.

MIguy | May 23, 2008 12:50:32 AM:
Actually there is one:
Should Hillary not win this travesty of a race, then we would have a patriotic, honest, no less imperfect presidential choice in Mccain.
Country before party!
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Here we go again, with the spin. If you look carefully you will see that he didnt compare himself to Lincoln, he merely said that he idolized the guy and went on to say why, and implied that he might do the same. I wish you people would stop trying to tear him down with anything he says. Sheesh, what liars!

mitch: “he merely said that he idolized the guy and went on to say why, and implied that he might do the same.”
There… you said it yourself. Obama compares himself to Lincoln by saying that he’ll be like him. The same thing happens every time he references one of the Kennedys. And his flock falls for it every time.

Hillary does not want the VP with Obama that would be political suicide. Obama is unelectable, he is going to lose the GE. Hillary does not need to be in a losing ticket. Write Hillary on the ballot.

Obama’s relationship with Wright is more than association. they are friends, Wright is his spiritual advisor and his mentor. Obama sat and listened to Wright for 20 years. I do not believe their fake break up for the media. They are still pals, they still think alike. Will Rev Wrigh be part of the cabinet?

You may not like the Clintons, but at least we know they have the experience and knowledge of the routes we need to take to get out of them safely and unilaterally.
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You mean lie to everyone? Or Hillary’s FAILED health care reform? The Clinton’s method of gov’t is trying to ram their ideas down people’s throat. They try to stomp on those who disagree. That’s why when Bill was President we lost both the House and the Senate. No one in Washington likes the Clintons. (Look at all their “friends” who have jumped ship this election.) They are self absorbed, ego centric, dishonest, and care nothing about anyone but themselves.
Hillary has proven to be incredibly deceitful, even to her own supporters. She has no real positions, she votes depending on which way the wind in blowing. And as a woman, I’m insulted by her using her own lust for power as a “woman’s issue.” I didn’t vote for her and will never vote for her. Thank God she lost the primary.

Talk about counting your chickens before they hatch!
Obama can forget about picking a cabinet, because he is not going to win Florida, Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio, and West Virginia.
If Obama becomes the Democratic nominee, he will lose the General Election in November.
Why? Because these states will reject Obama again, since Obama is too far left to win there.

vp joe biden, hillary clinton, rendell
sec of state biden, richardson, clinton (she would use it to run again)
secretary of commerce bloomberg
secretary of defense hagel,powell
attorney general john edwards
national security advisor – powell, richardson, dodd

Two things are being floated by the Obama loving media. One is that Hillary is seeking VP. I know Drudge (who is right wing, not Obama lover, but Dem destroyer) is also pushing that on his site.
Hillary most certainly has no interest in VP. She’s giving everyone a chance to vote, and then the superdelegates can make their choice in August at the convention based on who will give the party the best chance to win in November.
The other thing being floated is that Hillary is seeking having her $20 million debt paid off by Obama. Obama floated that himself to try to buy Hillary off, same as he has done with Congress and the SD’s.
Most of the debt is Hillary’s own money and to Mark Penn’s firm for work done. The way Mark Penn screwed up her campaign he doesn’t deserve to get paid anyway. And Hillary has the funds in her GE account (which I contributed to after maxing out primary limit) so 1) she doesn’t need any help, 2) it was a buyout offer from Obama, and 3) I agree with Obama supporters that their money shouldn’t go towards Hillary anyway (although if Obama were successful in buying out an opponent then he would putting your money to good use).
So all in all, Hillary is making her case for President. Obama will obviously proceed as the presumptive nominee but we’ll see what the delegates do in Denver in August. Hillary’s name will still be on the ballot.
Hillary ’08

everyone knows that if what is know now about obama was known in jan. obama would not be in the position he is in.
the media failed to do its job.
we still do not know who he is
and everything we slowly find out only gives more questions.
What is obama and his church’ relationship now?
what about alice palmer
bill ayers
the chicago combine
and all of the others
the list is long and getting longer
we hear what he says one day on a subject only to hear him say something different on the next day.
on cspan now they are talking about what he needs to learn. and the things that he has flubbed up over this week.
I don’t think anyone really believes sen.clinton needs to be brought up to speed on any of the issues that face our country-she knows them and is able
to converse well about it.
I don’t want sen. clinton to be his vp.
she can do so much more for the american people in the senate, or working with the CGI.
i would not want her buried in the vp position-having to be the one to teach him behind the scenes.

We know that Barack has made a deal with people like Bill Richardson and John Eduards: support in exchange for future job.
But Hillary is different because she knows that she is far more qualified to be president… It is likely that this nomination process will go on for a while, I don’t see the issue of Florida and Michigan resolved because we have to demand that all the votes count!
In the end she will have the popular vote, so why not also ask will he want to be her VP? Although all these questions are pointless until we resolve the issue of the delegates. She will win the popular vote, he will win the pledged delegates. So it is in the hands of the superdelegates. My opinion is that given the fact that so many superdelegates has been won by a caucus process that is blatantly anti-democratic, the validity of the popular vote is stronger and the superdelegates must ensure that the popular votes is respected. If Barcak was white this is the likely outcome. But as Geraldine said if Barack was white he would not be where he is, so the superdelagates are likely to vote for him. This argument is not racist, but it is a complain against favoring race over gender, that is so blatantly used in favor of a black person and against a woman person. I hope that the leaders of the democratic party show that they are better than that and support Hillary!!

Hillary, you’re not going to be VP, talkless of the President. You should do anything to become the POTUS and Barack would have to have a 3rd eye on you that would distract him from the job at hand. No, Hillary you will not smell the Oval Office again!!!

Obama’s relationship with Wright is more than association. they are friends, Wright is his spiritual advisor and his mentor. Obama sat and listened to Wright for 20 years. I do not believe their fake break up for the media. They are still pals, they still think alike. Will Rev Wrigh be part of the cabinet?
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Ummmm, no. Wright was his pastor. Period. Did you ever hear of Separation of Church and State? I couldn’t care less where someone went to church or IF they did. I care about the issues.
Rev. Wright is a non-issue, unless he run’s for office.
Because of Hagee, Wright is off the radar for fall.

so hagee who is not and never has been mccains pastor should be an issue?
why should sen. clinton want to be obamas vp?
i don’t think and i hope she will not
campaign for obama.
why should she?
they don’t want or need her, i hope she just goes back to the senate and completes her job.
all of the others have gone back to their jobs, she should also.
michelle obama does not want her.
michelle obama said if sen. clinton had been the nominee. michelle would have to think hard about campaigning for sen. clinton.

Posted by: MI VOTER | May 23, 2008 7:55:31 AM
dream on in your little world. wright’s church, over twenty years, certainly influenced bho’s take on the world. mccain never went to hagels church…different issues, wright still in play..

njh
oh yeah,
geo. bush was a fool we have seen before and have known of.
this obama is going to be some new kind of fool for us to look at and watch his new way of taking this country futher down the road to perdition.

A March 6th article in the Washington Post by Ann Kornbult and Peter Baker mentioned one of Hillary Clinton’s favorite books–Team of Rivals by Deloris Kearns Goodwin. Glad to see that Obama is catching up on his reading.

and Nancy
Obama mentioned Lincoln’s grouping over and over last year at his engagements in NH…
it was Hillary who took that from Obama after she saw her campaign was losing.
and most politically savvy junkies have read Goodwin’s book. and Goodwin the author has actually compared Obama to Lincoln on this issue…several times.
Go watch her interviews on Meet the Press and the Tim Russert Show.

ok,
here is something I want to say right here and NOW.
mark my word
if obama becomes president.
within his first 100 days
we will have some reporter or talking head say:
“well maybe we didn’t like sen. clinton that much-but we sure didn’t think this is what the change and hope was all about.”
obama will make a further mess of this country
with whatever his change is.

Posted by: MI VOTER | May 23, 2008 8:19:50 AM
still a huge difference…wright’s church tenets espouse racism, and are anti-american. bho still went to the church, worshiping, and using wright as his spiritual guide. oh yea, i will be voting mccain if bho is the niminee.

OUR FOUNDING FATHER USED, THE VOICE AND VOTES OF THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE. THE ONE WITH THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF VOTES WAS THE PRESIDENT , THE ONE WITH SECOND HIGHEST WAS THE VICE PRESIDENT. RE; WASHINGTON AND JOHN ADAMS. THEN AND ONLY THEN ARE THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA HEARD!

She is a sick puppy right now and let her go back to New York……His cabinet will help him in all areas,there will be change but not with her on this ticket…

and PP
Listen to what Obama is saying…
you can discount his 30 second soundbite …Clinton has been better at it…but that is becasue when you listen to Obama’s thoguhts on each subject…they are logical.
If you had gone and heard him speak in small engagements (as I did with him and Hillary and mccain… living in NH political junkies got to do this)…
His thought process that you can see him make on each one is based on logic and the values that most dems by into…
Hillary and others like Romney and a couple of others … spoke in Hyperbole once they got out of the 30 second sound bite …using terms and when they used facts that no one could really substantiate in those situations…it was not about the logical situations that presented themselves. It seemed like …well people walking around the points of their arguments that they didn’t want to show in presenting their case.
Maybe it was because Obama hasn’t been around long enough (but Joe Biden and Chris Dodd were similar) …that he just sat down with groupd and attacked it as if we were a class of adults who could figure it out…but needed to be walked through it.
That is why i switched…because it made me realize Obama DOES know what he was talking about.
Unfortunately he is not always been good at wrapping that up in a 30 second sound bite.

Why is Obama numbers dropping in all these polls against McCain, is that not a concern for some how is he going to win a GE if he cannot win over voters against McCain?

A fair chunk of the Obama vote is an “anti-Hillary” vote. Putting her on the ticket is a good way to lose. Richardson makes a lot more sense than Hillary. And Richardson is actually qualified – unlike Hillary who has only been an observer – OK and helped abuse the women Clinton exposed himself, too.

So Richardson can claim that he has votes from 17 mill people or that he has SD backing him?
I have not idea what Obama will decide as to a VP but the fact is if you are looking at support for a candidate the only one out there at the moment with bragging rights is Hillary.
I honestly do not feel Obama can win anything without her

Polls are interesting. Anyone catch the Survey USA poll that has Obama ahead of Mccain in Virginia by 7 points? If that holds Mccain will be destroyed in the general.

someone wrote: “Because of Hagee, Wright is off the radar for fall.”
In your dreams. McCain denounced support from Hagee and another pastor for their views. They are extremists, same as Wright.
Now I will tell you, there are many people who are members of those two pastors churches. And I know the second one has several black members. His services are on local tv in Columbus, OH. And there are plenty of people that buy into the anti-Islam thing. But unacceptable for them to be president. That’s why the right wing extremists don’t get elected.
Also true for left wing extremists. We will see plenty of Wright jumping up and down and maybe Michelle with him, who knows?
Obama will go down like all the rest of the liberals, liberals who didn’t have baggage like Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Farrakan, Hamas, Auchi, and the Chicago corruption machine.
Holy cow. You must be nuts if you think anyone but a left winger would vote for that mess. And what ties them together? Some guy names Obama who has no record whatsoever and lies about everything he’s asked.
Hillary ’08

Why aren’t any of you Clinton supporters making any comments about all of her BS? From the constant moving of the goal post, pathetic attempts to change the rules, and most obvious, her insistence on counting votes she herself previously stated would not count? Why don’t you talk about that? It’s because you have nothing to add except stupid comments about Rev. Wright. Several of you morons have actually asked if Rev Wright will be on the ticket. I think I can answer that question…NO! By the way, I don’t go to church at all so with all due respect to anyone who does – I DON’T CARE! Now, do you have anything constructive to ad? Anybody? Anybody? What’s happening here for her supporters is exactly what’s happened to this joke of a campaign she’s run. I think they’re all starting to realize that Obama will win and they’re basically venting. And how can you all continue to cheer for this woman when she’s clearly a loser. Her campaign is a microcosm of how she’d run this country. And she’s continued to ask people to go to her website and donate money. I saw a report last night which stated that some $2,800,000 dollars was paid to Mark Pen’s agency last month. This is what she’s doing with your money you idiots! By the way, West Virginal, Kentucky, Michigan, and Florida are not Democratic states. Clintons’ assertions that she can win those states is not swaying any of the super delegates. While I’m sure they’d love to win those states, they are not part of the Democrats map. Neither was Oregon for that matter and look how that turned out! Trust me, the supers are just waiting for the last vote to be cast. Then they’ll come out for Senator Obama en mass and crush that bug eyed harpy!

The DNC doesn’t want Hillary because she won’t bow down to them, they cannot control her.
So they chose Obama, banking mainly on his charm and color to win people over.
Obama is their little puppet and they can twist ot bend him however they please.
Notice how Obama says something stupid and the DNC rushes in to say what he “really meant to say.”
The DNC must literally hold their breath when Obama goes off script.
(i.e. Iran is a tiny country that is no threat-a week later-Iran is a grave threat).
Obama is a weak,inexperienced,arrogant,
unqualified candidate,with heavy baggage.
Hillary or McCain08

Obama is a Fraud!
How come Democrats/Libs love to meet with Terrorists another Democrat Lobbyist that reports to the Libs in congress is now under investigation by Columbia for meeting with FARC along side Communists. The foreigners placed under investigation Thursday include two Ecuadoreans, a Venezuelan and the American consultant, James C. Jones, who has been working with Democrats in the U.S. Congress.
You should do a blog for all the talk the Libs have had with terrorist
Pelosi – Syria
Carter and separatly a Obama Strategist – Hamas
The two Democrat congressman that went to Iraq prior to the war and condemned the US on Iraqi soil!
Obama who wants to meet with terrorists to help them with propaganda
and so forth
Don’t forget Hilary kissing the PLO leader!!

Popular vote as of May 23, 2008
These figures INCLUDE Florida and Michigan, as they were fairly and legitimately earned by Senator Hillary Clinton, and have been validated by the respective Secretary’s of State.
Clinton 17,422,285
Obama 17,254,779
Total Diff. +167,506 (Clinton)
Pct. Diff. 0.46% (Clinton)
Above figures from RealClearPolitics.com
So, why SHOULD Hillary quit NOW?
Who do you think will be leading when the dust settles?
Hint – See below:
Combined population of Montana and South Dakota = 1,752,039
Population of Puerto Rico = 8,086,459

Which Democratic candidate is more electable?
Consider this:
This is how the Electoral College stands as of May 23, 2008, showing strengths of Clinton vs. Obama, based on their results. For those who have not understood, this is not a head-to-head matchup, but rather a side-by-side comparison.
This assumes a winner-take-all primary/caucus vote takes all Electoral votes for each state. The totals immediately below are WITHOUT any consideration of the states of Florida and Michigan.
Clinton 264
Obama 224
But with Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 308
Obama 224
With just Florida added, which was won by Clinton, fairly and squarely, the Electoral College Vote is:
Clinton 291 (includes Kentucky)
Obama 224 (includes Oregon)
Assuming the following victories, based on current polls, with Clinton winning NOTHING ELSE, and Obama winning South Dakota, and Montana, the totals would then be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 264 (includes Kentucky)
Obama 230 (includes Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota)
On June 4, 2008, with Florida, Michigan and Kentucky for Clinton, and, being charitable, with Oregon, South Dakota and Montana for Obama:
Clinton 308
Obama 230
Please note that it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the General Election.
Whether or not the vote turns out as indicated, I firmly believe the above analysis more than amply demonstrates which of the Democratic candidates is in a better position to be the stronger candidate in the General Election.
P.S. – One last thought about this Electoral College Vote analysis; in it I gave Senator Obama full credit for the state caucuses he won. However, it should be noted that there are not any caucuses to be won in the Big Leagues during the General Election. There are only PRIMARIES, WINNER-TAKE-ALL.
And I am sure the “Super Delegates” are aware of that.

My guess is that Obama and his “team” will stack the odds in his cabinet in the same way that he stacked the odds for friends in the Illinois Senate Health and Human Services committee.

Can you imagine Obama’s inaugeration?
Rev.Wright or Rev.Moss giving the invocation. How will they truly bless America when they hate it so much?
Will Obama and Rev Wright pray in the basement again, hiding from the public?
And we are to trust Obama to lead this country knowing what he willingly listened to for 20 years? Unbelievable.
Hillary or McCain 08

Things are NOT as they are made to appear.
For all the talk about “Super Delegates”, there is nothing “Super” about them. Just as everyone of us, they have one vote each. Their endorsement is just that, an endorsement. It is not a vote. They are not supposed to come into play unless there is a deadlocked convention, and in that case, they are expected to exercise their BEST JUDGMENT to cast their votes for that candidate they, in view of their extensive experience and political wisdom, think would be able to WIN the General Election. They are not supposed to be endorsing this or that candidate, BEFORE THEY VOTE AT THE CONVENTION. To do otherwise is to be false to the trust and responsibility that has been placed in and on them.
It would be better at this point if all the bickering supporters of each candidate looked at the number of ACTUAL PLEDGED DELEGATES allocated to their candidate on the basis of primaries and caucuses won. Those figures, as of May 23, 2008 (NY Times web site), for those who truly follow politics are:
Obama 1,485
Clinton 1,421
Diff. +64 (Obama)
Of the “surveyed” “Super Delegates”, of which there are approx. 795, there are at least 215.5 who have not “endorsed” any candidate, which is as it was intended to be. Again, an “endorsement” does not necessarily translate into a convention vote, since in theory “Super Delegates” are supposed to represent the wisdom of the party and are expected to be above the fray. Those who have endorsed, really should be stripped of their position and replaced by those who will act as intended. However, that is the responsibility of the DNC, which so far, has proven inadequate to discipline its own members.
The bottom line, “Super Delegate” endorsements should not be counted by candidates claiming that such an “endorsement” makes this person into a PLEDGED DELEGATE, for that is NOT THE CASE, and to think otherwise is to delude oneself and one’s followers. It is also wrong for the media to even report what “Super Delegates” are doing now, as they do not even come into play unless and until there is a DEADLOCKED CONVENTION.
However, there is nothing to prevent partisans from ‘counting chickens before they hatch”, nor is there anything to prevent the media from playing games with gullible people to increase interest in these silly stories.
As Yogi Berra once said, “It ain’t over, ’til it’s over”. And this fight is a long way from over.

cindy in nc,
I really think you should move. Really I mean it. Move to another state and get a better view of the world at large. Travel around a bit. Your views are so 1950′s it’s scary. The World has evolved. Join the party. It’s fun here in “All-Inclusive Land”. No one hates anyone, we all get along.

Before voting for Obama please do your research on the type of politics he was a part of in Chicago.
The people he used, treated unfairly, and the underhanded tactics to get ahead politically.
You owe it to this country to know all about him. Obama says he wants a change in old time politics. Judge for yourself if he is any different.
Then vote your conscience.
Hillary/McCain 08

Obama pick a Republican for VP? Highly unlikely.
Since I am not religious, I don’t understand all the criticism of Obama for his choice of church. He probably went there because it was the largest black church around and a good place to build his constituency while keeping his faith. Most of my friends who are religious never talk about their pastors–just their friends at church. Those who won’t vote for Obama because of the pastor seem to resist change in whatever shape or color it comes in.

The precondition for Senator Clinton accepting the Vice-President slot on the ticket must be open access to any meeting in the White House.
And if Obama is nearly as smart as he is said to be, he will accept that.
Obama supporters: Get over yourselves. You will doom this party with your rants and your get-even strategies. The Party elite has spun up a defeat in November with the presumptive nominee. Clinton can turn that into a victory.
You can’t.

Joan from Virginia – There are many churche in chicago, and larger ones at that, his pastor continously spew anti-white, anti-jewish and anti American rhetoric, even Oprah left the chuch!
This has a lot to show on his character!
Now all those that want to vote for Obama, unless your one of his elitist friends here is a quote for you from him on what he plans on trying to do -
In a campaign stop in Oregon, Obama called for the U.S. to “lead by example” on global warming. “We can’t drive our SUV’s and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say ‘OK.’ … That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he said
So he is planning on controlling your life!!
Yavo Lem – You can use the states that they won in the primary to give them electoral votes, main reason is most of the states Obama won will never go blue
If memory servers he only won 2 Blue states.
And Clinton is pretty much out of the rae anyhow!!

MI VOTER – What experience does Obama have? please tell us, since no one not even him can tell us!! I mean he has experience Hating America, Hating the Whitey and so forth but what experience does he have!
Now with all the rhetoric abut Pres. Bush, what really did he do wrong (exclude Iraq) we have a strong economy even thou its a little slow right now, but that is more to do with the lib Congress and the oil prices are because of the libs!!
So please answer the 2 questions!!

He simply cannot trust Hillary. We see her ego at work now…Does anyone think for a moment, she will behave as second banana? She will be busy trying to show the women who supported her that she has crashed the glass ceiling when obviously she had been plumming the depths ethically. No, Nada…the idea of finding a group of excellent rivals to join him in changing this country is a brilliant idea. The quickest way to move people off their intransigent bias is to have them work with you on a day to day basis. Folks have to leave the labels at the door and eventually learn people are people. Some good and some bad, but that has little to do with the color of their skin. Hillary is ethically challenged and that is worrisome!

The change that Senator Obama will bring is not the change America needs.
1. Bring Chicago dirty politics to Washington
2. Change from moderate Democrat to radical socialist
3. Consider Hamas and other terrorist groups as friends
4. Consider the White working class as inferior (Mainstream Americans)
THIS CORRUPT POLITICIAN WILL BRING CHAOS TO OUR COUNTRY. DON’T TRUST HIM.
He has been buying the superdelegates and he is behind in popular votes.

The popular vote total is the votes cast by individuals in state primaries. Caucus votes don’t count in the popular vote total because they are counted in terms of delegates, not votes, and many states don’t count the number of people attending caucuses. How are Hillary’s supporters accounting for that? They want to count Michigan where she was the only candidate, and Florida where many voters stayed home, but not the twelve caucus states? That’s her idea of counting every vote?
Washington and Texas caucuses (won by Obama) are not included below because these states hold primaries AND caucuses. Caucus state include (Obama won all of them)
• Iowa
• Alaska
• Colorado
• Idaho
• Kansas
• Minnesota
• N Dakota
• Nebraska
• Maine
• Hawaii
• Wyoming
The popular votes being touted by the Clinton Campaign do not take this into account, and are therefore disenfranchising the “real” popular votes from all of these states.
Posted by: power2people
To: power2people
In general, Caucus votes are not counted for a number of reasons:
1.) They are not provided by the states
2.) They are not representative
3.) They are in many cases trivial or insignificant in relation to the state population
4.) Caucuses are quite vulnerable to manipulation by deception, obstruction, delay, inconvenience, confusion, strong-arm tactics and other despicable practices, which is why they would be favored by a Chicago machine politician, such as Senator Obama.
But, just so everything is up front, I have checked your list and the results are below:
Iowa
Obama 940
Clinton 737
Alaska
Obama 6,674
Clinton 2,194
Colorado (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)
Idaho (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)
Kansas (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)
Minnesota (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)
North Dakota (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)
Nebraska (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)
Maine
Obama 2,079
Clinton 1,397
Hawaii (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)
Wyoming (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)
With regard to Florida, both Clinton AND Obama were on the ballot. Clinton did not campaign in the state, but, breaking his pledge, Obama did. Clinton won, fair and square.
With regard to Michigan, the names of all three major candidates, Clinton, Obama, and Edwards, were on the ballot. However, Obama and Edwards had their name removed, BY THEIR OWN CHOICE. Their supporters were told to vote “UNCOMMITTED” for them, as if voters wrote in their names, they would not be counted.
With regard to Texas, Clinton won the Primary, case closed.
With regard to Washington, this is the explanatory note from RealClearPolitics:
“*(Iowa, Nevada, Washington & Maine Have Not Released Popular Vote Totals. RealClearPolitics has estimated the popular vote totals for Senator Obama and Clinton in these four states. RCP uses the WA Caucus results from February 9 in this estimate because the Caucuses on February 9 were the “official” contest recognized by the DNC to determine delegates to the Democratic convention. The estimate from these four Caucus states where there are not official popular vote numbers increases Senator Obama’s popular vote margin by 110,224. This number would be about 50,000 less if the Washington primary results from February 19th were used instead of the Washington Caucus results.)”
I trust you can understand the that the complications were caused by the Caucus states, and not by Senator Clinton. In fact, this is one of the best arguments for getting rid of the Caucus system, but that is up to pressure from the citizens of each of those states.

Does anyome know what the distance is between Springfield (capitol of Ill) and the south side of Chicago? 200 miles…now for all those makeing the assinine statement that Obama sat in that church for 20 years…would you travel 400 miles to go to church? Now he also traveled all over the country and world..he was not even in Ill a good bit of the time. While the media tried to place Obama in that church during any of the contreversal statements by Wright, they could not. We as a people can only succeed if we have a base of honor and honesty…so please stop useing slander and lies to further your own candidate.
I am not a church goer, but can you support a church with donations, belong to a church and not sit in the pews each service? Do you have to believe every word your pastor says to belong to that church community…if so that is a cult and not a fellowship.
I think this whole argument is stupid and we have worse things to worry about. As far as anti white…that church was anti bad government if anything. It has white members. Read the sermons and stop allowing the media lead you around by the nose.
Check on the votes and records of the candidates…such as Hillary voted for a ban on flag burning.

Hey Yavo Lem, you really need to check your facts before going on one of your rants. In the pledged delegate count, Obama actually leads Clinton by 156 delegates, not 64: 1656-1500. Some news organizations may be off by a few delegates one way or the other, but Obama definitely leads in the pledged delegate county by about 150.

Mike Gravel should perhaps be Secretary of the Internet, a cabinet level post. I don’t know much about him. What I *do* know is that he really seems to *get* the internet, and seems to love it.

Did it actually occur to you that those same people actually had something to do with murder?

Terra – You do know that Obama lives on the south side of Chicago? That his children go to school on the south side of Chicago? That he had a second job as a visiting lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School (on the south side of Chicago)? He lived in Chicago, and he went to that church, and he donated money to that church, sometimes up to 20,000/year.

TO: Dr. Johnny Skeptic
I really hope the FBI is reading your posts.

To all of you who have taken exception to Senator Obama “comparing” himself to Lincoln: Saying someone is one of your heroes is not comparing yourself to that hero. Most of the posts on here seem to be from loud-mouthed pseudo-intellectuals who obviously just like to spout off and think of themselves as important. Other sites that I’ve posted on seem to have much more reasonable and informed people making the comments. I just wish that I had the time to single out those of you who are the worst. Good day.

Yavo, I’m actually an independent and don’t really like any of them. But I do like to check all facts out. No it didn’t come from Washington DC but I’m sure this is what Larry was referring to.

Does anyome know what the distance is between Springfield (capitol of Ill) and the south side of Chicago? 200 miles…now for all those makeing the assinine statement that Obama sat in that church for 20 years…would you travel 400 miles to go to church? Now he also traveled all over the country and world..he was not even in Ill a good bit of the time. While the media tried to place Obama in that church during any of the contreversal statements by Wright, they could not. We as a people can only succeed if we have a base of honor and honesty…so please stop useing slander and lies to further your own candidate.
I am not a church goer, but can you support a church with donations, belong to a church and not sit in the pews each service? Do you have to believe every word your pastor says to belong to that church community…if so that is a cult and not a fellowship.
I think this whole argument is stupid and we have worse things to worry about. As far as anti white…that church was anti bad government if anything. It has white members. Read the sermons and stop allowing the media lead you around by the nose.
Check on the votes and records of the candidates…such as Hillary voted for a ban on flag burning.
Posted by: terra
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Yes, terra, I’ve been thinking about what you posted. It is quite a distance as you say, and I’ll take your figures as accurate. However, for a good part of the time Senator Obama was married, in TUCC, by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. As a married man, I assume that he, like me in my former life, would really like to spend time with my wife, and since I don’t think legislators work more than a 9-5 day, 5 days a week (with some exceptions of course), with much material they can take home to work on, that he would most likely spend a good amount of time at home, especially if he got any kind of legislative perks at all, like a transportation allowance, or a car, or could even hop a train at no charge, etc.
I know how wearing long distance travel can be, as I used to commute a 100 mile round-trip 5 days a week, driving my own car, between work and home. I did that by car for five years, and by train for another five. So, I don’t think it is unreasonable to believe that Senator Obama did something similar, and being home, he probably went to hear Rev. Wright, who you have to admit can be quite entertaining, more so that any minister, or priest I’ve every heard speak, even Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, or the Rev. Robert Schuller.
And then there were all those CDs of the sermons, and the Trumpet magazine. By the way, it should be mentioned that Senator Obama appeared many, many times on the cover of that publication and had been interviewed on occasion as well as written about in it by the Rev. Wright, himself. In fact, in the April 2007 issue of “The Trumpet”, Rev. Wright wrote an essay entitled “Facing the Rising Sun”, in which he said, “God raised Barack from a dead political career to the United States Senate. Then, as Jesus ascended into Heaven, God made a way for Barack to ascend to the pinnacle of politics. . . . We are truly in a “new day.” Now with that kind of expectation being placed on him, and with his over-inflated ego, I should think that Senator Obama would have made EVERY effort to attend that church and bask in his glory. Amen.
As to Hillary’s vote against flag burning, and again, I take your word for it, I’m glad she did, but there is an irony involved in that vote. I’m all for it, because having served in the U.S. Navy, for two years active duty on two six-month patrols, operating out of Guantanamo Bay (Gitmo) Naval Base, during the run-up to the Cuban Missel Crisis, I came to appreciate the very great importance of the American Flag and when later I travelled in Europe, I really appreciated seeing it when the ship I returned on passed the Statue of Liberty and I saw the flag flying again. It was the greatest sight in the world, especially having been away from it so much. And so I literally hate to see an American terrorist, like William Ayers, trampling on it and wiping his feet on it, as he did for a publicity picture for his crummy book, taken in an alleyway, (I wonder why he didn’t do it in public), as you can see for yourself at:
I also do not like to see its likeness used for all kinds of articles of clothing and on junk, nor am I fond of those flag lapel pins or the other trivial commercialized uses of our flag. No, I served under it, doing my part to defend my country and perhaps to have protected people like you, or if you are not that old, then your parents. In short, I don’t wave the flag, I respect the flag, I am pround of the flag, I honor the flag, and I am sickened by people who think they can just trash it, or burn it in protests or riots, people like Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn and the rest of the SDS and Weathermen creeps. But here is the irony: legally, the only proper and authorized way to dispose of an American flag that has become tattered and worn is not to throw it in the trash (which by the way is illegal), but rather it is to burn it, respectfully.
So, Senator Obama can put on a flag pin or surround himself with American flags to pander to potential voters, but frankly, I do not think he is that sincere, nor do I think voters are that easily fooled.

Shewill
Reality check for you. (Careful. It may hurt.)
The ONLY one Hillary has been fighting for is herself. She has lied to you. She is using you. Its about her.
Truth.

If anyone has been pandering it is McCain and McClinton.
Gas tax holiday anyone?
I always remind myself to have faith in the American public. Then I remember they voted for Bush. TWICE.
And I read these comments. And I know why. At least half of America is seriously uninformed, bigotted and plain irrational.
(I have no viable diagnosis for anyone who would vote for McCain if Hillary isn t the nominee. They simply defy all the laws of sanity.)

libre
You say he is unelectable. Substantiate.

Because of Darth Cheney, the Vice President has a lot of power now. We cannot have a Republican Vice President.
Obama should guarantee his supporters that he will not choose a Republican Vice President!

Obama and Web in 08
Dream ticket

First he has to win the nomination. Then he has to have somebody on the ticket who will help, (not hinder,) him win the General Election.
Once he has won the presidency, he can appoint a cabinet of “the best and brightest” of his rivals. Just as Lincoln did.

If Obama taps Hillary for VP I would seriously fear for his safety :( I say Obama/Webb is the best way to go. Should definitely help with the “White Blue Collar” vote. Experience would be an issue but both of them make up for it with common sense and integrity. Webb is also coming off a big victory with his GI Bill. Plus they could make up for lack of experience with a stellar cabinet. How about Colin Powell for Secretary of State? Let him try it again, this time with an administration that has some integrity and will actually listen to him.

Gemma, Obama’s complete record as an Illinois State Senator is a lie. The bills he takes credit for were based on the work of other state senators. Emil Jones (President of the IL State Senate) put Obama’s name on those bills because he was being groomed for a US Senate seat. Obama’s association with Rezko, Wright and Ayres indicates that he has very poor judgement. Associations do matter. These judgement issues will be attacked by the Republicans. Look at how poorly Obama has done in the primaries since the end of February. He lost Rhode Island, Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Indiana, West Virginia and Kentucky. He won in Vermont and North Carolina. He lost seven of nine primaries in the last two months. This is because the people started paying attention to who he was and what his politics are. If Obama is the nominee McCain will be the next President.

Vicki, you haven’t mentioned Bill and Hillary Clinton’s ties to Rezko. I wonder why. Google it. There’s plenty of photos of them together.
Oh, and Bill and Hillary invited Reverend Wright to the White House to counsel them after the Lewinsky affair became public.
And Bill issued an awful lot of pardons for some very dubious people, who then donated money to his and Hillary’s campaigns. But you know that already, right?

thepoliticalcat – One picture at a fund-raiser vs. 17 year relationship, $250,00 donations, buying lot next to house, getting funding for sub-par housing for REZKO stop being nonsensical.
One picture with Wright vs. 20 year reltionship, getting married by him, baptizing his children, “I can no more foresake Wright than I can my own grandmother” – wait, did he just say I’m a politician! “I forsake him”.
Please, get serious.

Obama isn’t afraid of working with people who disagree with him. I like that.
It’s a very different way of doing things… compared to an executive who surrounds himself with yes-men, and who dismisses those that disagree with his pre-conceived notions.

Yeah, ok, dude!
Something tells me Abe Lincoln is turning over in his grave as we speak, totally disgusted that the all time sham of a candidate considers him a hero.
Poor Abe.

So refreshing to hear a candidate speak like this. After 8 years of lunacy, it’s just nice to have the prospect of a smart person in the White House.

If Obama is stupid enough to add Hillary to his ticket, he deserves to loose. That woman and her husband are both greedy physcos and are only wanting back in the Whitehouse so they can sell us out some more and make up for all the money they have spent. Right when this all started, Bill just made a deal and sold our national defense contracts, our secrets, and our jobs to China! So much for looking out for our national Interest and looking out for those “Blue-collar” workers that are so readily to line up behind Hillary……what is wrong with these people ?????

I don’t care what Obama or any other candidate talks about right now, other than the countries dismal real estate market, particularly the Boca Raton real estate market. Does either candidate plan to address this and possible solutions in details? I doubt it, their much to busy bickering to care.