Obama Pushback on the New Clinton Math

Tonight changes nothing. It just reinforces the facts of the inevitable for any dispassionate observer. Except the Clinton camp. The only thing that may shift them is more superdelegtes declaring for Obama in coming days – which is what I suspect will happen.

Imagine if roles were reversed. The media and the party would have forced Obama out ages ago.

Adrian -
Thank you for that, you’re right. These results, with a net increase in the spread, provide more proof that Clinton’s path to the nomination is impossible.
What concerns me is that Clinton doesn’t see it, and seems prepared to fight until Armageddon. The question that’s been eating at me is do we really have to go through this pointless gauntlet to get to the same result?
Thanks to your post, I’m reminded that the answer is no. I beleive the superdelegates will see this clear as day and step up for Obama. Only question now is, will they do it right away, or wait until June, so as not to offend the remaining voters?

The undecided super delegates need to grow a backbone, and bring this contest to an end. It should now be obvious to all, Hillary Clinton is unelectable. She has self-destructed.

Hillary should fire her speech writer: this speech is awful and I support her. Why in the world does she not have a Teleprompter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama ran a brilliant campaign. Instead of focusing on the few delegate rich states in a lazy campaign like Clinton did, he worked his butt off and won the majority of the country in a grass roots way. It is for this reason Obama is the right candidate to challenge McCain in November.

Just maybe she will do the right thing and step down and put her support behind Obama, More likely she will either continue fighting a lost cause or she will step down and decide to back McCain.

“Give me two reasons to vote for Obama and I’ll think about it.
Change doesn’t count.
Forget New politics.”
His negatives with voters are vastly superior than Clintons.
He isn’t the boogeyman Republicans use to frighten their children that Clinton is.
These two alone will drive turnout for anti-Clinton voters through the roof in November.
I’ll give you a bonus level reason number 3.
The silver bullet to kill McCain is that he has to simultaneously appeal to Bush’s base and to moderates. Bush was able to avoid this problem by simply appealing to his base and using fear of terrorism to scare moderates into voting for him.
Now, though, moderates hate Bush and anything that even smells like Bush as much as the Left does.
In short, whenever McCain appeals to one side, he’ll alienate the other, driving support and voter turnout down from the Bush base, and sending Bush-hating moderates to the Democrat.
Hillary would solve his Bush base problem by galvanizing the far Right against her. She also has a tendency to fight like a Republican, in the view of some moderates, and she’s made a TON of soundbites in this campaign that sound an aweful lot like Bush, as well as walked lock step with a lot of McCain proposals and attacks (gas tax for example).
She’d basically nullify the Silver Bullet.
Obama wouldn’t. He doesn’t polarize the Right, because he doesn’t have her and her husbands history with them. He’s perceived as more honest, and moderates have spoken in polls to suggest that they see him as being more fairhanded and less Republican-like in his approach to politics.
Obama can just sit there pretty and bring up topic after topic and every time McCain opens his mouth, he loses a handful of voters at one end or the other. Hillary would cancel most of that effect out.
That a good enough reason for you?

To Hillary & the Clinton posse, this election is like playing monopoly. If she can’t win the game, she’s/they’re going to throw the board across the room while blaming the everyone else while crying, yelling & having a hissy fit. Maybe she’ll follow Lieberman over to the Republican side & say nasty things about her former “party” (although it seems more like one-side knife attack when evevyone has to take action to stop her attacks or the party dissolves into another series of losses).

Obama is a looser..even if he wins the Dem nomination he is a loser and he surrounds himself with the same kinds of people.

Obama has run a nasty, divisive campaign throughout. He has won in caucus states (the results of which will be contested for years) using organized, thuggish and illegal behavior.
His primary contest wins came in states with very large black population.
And in the general election, if Obama is the candidate, McCain will win.
Twelve per cent of the population does not a majority make.
The Democrats destroy themselves in a year in which they should win handily.
Howard Dean will be very very proud that he has decimated the party which denied him.

RE:
Obama Pushback on the New Clinton Math
May 06, 2008 10:08 PM
AND:
Caroline Kennedy
Lucien –
My father called on Americans to ask what they could do for their country.
Those who answered his call built a movement that transformed our country and brought out the best in our national character.
Barack Obama has followed in that tradition — dedicating himself to public service as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago and then as a state and U.S. Senator.
Now, Barack is calling on a new generation of leaders to get involved and help transform this country…
———————————-
LETTER TO SENATOR BARACK OBAMA
Montreal, February 20, 2008
SENATOR OBAMA ,
The whole world has its eyes on you, on The United States Of America and its people.
Everyone expects you to be democratically elected and see that something happen in America.
In March 1983, one of humanity’s most famous spokesmen, Pope John Paul II, came to our country – ‘Haîti’ – and loudly proclaimed what each and every one of us had been whispering:
‘Something must change here.’
Today, more than ever, a lot of people of The United States of America stand up, longing for something and working to make something happen.
And, like in March 9, 1983, beloved Haiti, History – (which from then and now on rests in thy hands) – tells thee: “it is now time to let people speak to thee of love!’, let’s say today’: ‘Go thou America ahead and show us thy true countenance in a positive light.’ It is up to everyone to play his or her part in order to let thee regain thy mark of excellence !”
With this letter, I am communicating with You, Senator Obama, and with the whole people of The United States of America.
You offer this country what it takes to be a ‘Wonderfull Land.’ Yes, let us say ‘with a great people living together.’
Go thou, America, go ahead, following in the footsteps of one of thy sons who is now becoming one of thy statesmen.
With this in mind, Mr.Obama, to whom else could I entrust this letter sent to his Holiness Pope John Paul II when he set foot on Haitian soil for the first time, as well as its acknowledgment by the Vatican?
That letter to Pope John Paul II is intended to draw attention to the problem posed by anti-Black discrimination and its negative repercussions on the advancement of scientific progress in the West, and more precisely in the realm of Optics.
In the Western world, according to Newton’s widely accepted theory, white is considered to be the synthesis of all colors. Actually, the opposite is true. White constitutes the analysis or ‘visible’ decoding of light or color, whereas black is its synthesis or ‘invisible’ composition.
In other words, darkness or blackness and, we might add, “Black Holes’”- a scientific misnomer designating invisible stars or ‘Black Suns’ – are a source of energy and light.
That basic raw material of light energy culminates, in its most radiant form, in the neutralization of all the colors of the spectrum in the form of so-called “white light.”
Therefore “absolute blackness”, the absorption of all the colors, is a divisible component of light. Needless to say, Newton’s theory gives only a partial interpretation of the notion of light, by excluding black. Our contribution aims at demonstrating that the black color is not only an integral part of the color process, but its true synthesis. Light is therefore shown to be a divisible whole comprising an intensity or color scale in which black is the invisible or ‘absorbed’ form of the energy in question.
Allow me, Senator Obama, in order to support my statement concerning Black Holes and radiation, to pose a question asked by Hubert Reeves, Doctor of nuclear astrophysics and Scientific Consultant to NASA:
“What would have become of the Sun, if it were plunged into a high temperature radiance like the one that existed at the beginning of the Universe? [our translation]”
“Instead of emitting light, it would absorb it and, in the end, it would be completely reabsorbed into the cosmic fluid.”
The cosmic fluid is what, due to an “optical mistake”, is called “darkness” or the “blackness of space”. We are talking about the electromagnetic flux, that immeasurable ocean in which the planets and stars are bathed, like the sea which links all the continents together. Darkness is thus “The Sea of Space.”
“What would have happened if, instead of an ordinary star like the “White Sun”, a Black Hole or “Black Sun” were injected into that primordial radiation?
“According to Einsteinian Physics, a Black Hole is a place where gravity is so formidably intense that nothing can escape it, not even visible light. Such a hole should suck in and absorb radiation and increase its own mass: E=MC2, always.”
“But after Einstein came Bohr, Heisenberg, and Quantum Physic. From then on, nothing was the same as before.
“The Einsteinian version of the Black Hole is equivalent to a statement that the matter inside the Black Hole is definitely there to stay, in that volume of space. Let us quote Hubert Reeves: “Such an absolute statement is thus contrary to the “Quantum spirit”, affirming that nothing is definitely localized in one place. There is always a probability of escape. If the enclosing wall is too high, a tunnel will be dug; if the prisoners are patient, they will escape. One has only to wait. [our translation]”
“According to that principle, Black Holes “evaporate.” Matter constantly escapes as radiation. Black Holes “shine!” Their surfaces behave like those of any body heated to a certain temperature and that radiation endlessly feeds that marvelous “Cosmic Fluid” which, wrongly and in bad faith, people keep calling “Darkness.”
Nigra sum “sed” formosa. Yes, but should we not say instead, I am black “and” comely? Darkness, which is both source and vehicle of light, does not have to defend itself for being the beautiful and infinitely discreet raw material of the Universe. Darkness is the “Mother of the Universe.”
Also, beautiful and discreet art thou, Haiti. Discreet, yes, but never outshone! Just like the Black Virgin who inspires and sheds her love on thee from the hilltop and even beyond Cité Soleil (Sun City).
Our purpose was to offer a more constructive approach aiming at correcting the abusive traditional, so-called scientific, theories of Optics. That is why, we wrote to that authentic witness to the signs of this age, His Holiness Pope John Paul II, the prophet of the new era.
Congratulations to You, Sir, and congratulations to the people of The United States Of America, for having made it possible for this day to mark the beginning of a “New Era of Hope !”
Lucien Bonnet
PLease, SEE :
LETTER TO POPE JOHN-PAUL II
in ‘BILL A RI AND THERE WAS LIGHT !
http://www.contact-canadahaiti.ca
Posted by: Lucien BONNET | May 4, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Hillary doesn’t believe in small states, caucuses, economists (oops, except the economists that backed her health plan), or elite math; she certainly is no rocket scientist in her pandering to politics.

Obama could not even beat Hillary in a border state, Indiana, where he was favored and outspent her at least two to one. I think this only makes it more clear who would do best in the Fall. In Florida where Obama was on the ballot and both did not campaign she trounced him. Florida will be very big come November 4th. John McCain is ready for prime time and he will pick a strong quailfied running mate. He will be a real tough opponent and Democrats must put up another ready for prime time candidate, not one who is afraid of debating. The debates to come may just decide the election in November. Let’s get a vote from Florida and Michigan and maybe then Obama will see that he needs to drop out and plan for the future. I want to add I am ashamed of all the so called Democrats who are posting re-cycled empty garbage about Hillary. I would bet that Obama is ashamed of them too. They are not Democrats.

I guess Obama either hasn’t figured out yet or is in denial to admit. Well, I personally think it’s the latter. He may likely will get the nomination (that’s if the rest of superdelegates back him). Hillary may well give her support. However, McCain will fry him (Obama) like a deep fried shrimp comes November. This will open the big opportunity for Hillary in 2012.

If clinton wins I wouldnt vote for her, has a black men I loved the Clintons, but the way she ran her campaign, the negative attacks, the way she and her campaign is dictating the rules, is repulsive.

Obama- The man our children’s children will read about. Face it bigots and partisans, he’s more of a man than most of the men you know. Truth, honor, and dignity will change history.
Obama, the skinny kid with a funny name will be our next President.

mosmith,
You are disregarding Obama’s negative attacks. You are disregarding the fact that the DNC is dictating the rules about counting Michigan and Florida. Clinton has managed to continually stand in this election, and Obama has not been able to close the deal. It’s as simple as that.
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Obama is a lousy bowler too!

If Obama wins the dem. nomination McCain will be our next president and heaven help us. McCain and the republicans will eat him alive in November.

Obama is a great once-in-a-generation politician who has the judgement and capacity to unite and lead this country. In other hand, Hillary is liar, untrustworthy, divisive and full of negativity. People make up you mind to form line behind Obama and make this country again more prosper and strong than before.

Hillary is tenacious.It’s amazing how she maintains her staying power. One reason that she’s got a strong institutional support. Carvyl even branded Richardson a traitor when the latter switched to Obama (I guess Bill Clinton and Hillary are one and the same in the minds of her supporters). Just mention the name Clinton and any American don’t have to think about who the person is. A year ago, if you hear the name Obama, most might even think that he’s a relative of Bin Laden. And guess what: He continues to beat Hillary and is now ahead of her.
Obama is clearly the underdog. It took a miracle to beat the inevitability of Hillary, and that miracle is Barack Obama.

Point #1:
The Democrats cannot beat the Republicans unless the Democratic Party nominee wins both Florida and Michigan this November. But if the Florida and Michigan Democratic primary votes are not counted by the Democratic National Committee, then the hypothetical conclusion is this: too many thousands of Michigan and Florida Democrats will not vote in the general election, thereby giving the election to the Republicans. Ask yourself: Would you feel that you were disenfranchised if your vote did not count?
Point #2
Ms. Kennedy — Barack Obama is no Jack Kennedy. Jack Kenedy said he did not run as a Catholic but as an American.
Mr. Obama’s religious beliefs, some of which are given voice by Rev Wright’s, demonstrate exactly what your father campaigned AGAINST.
Barack Obama cannot help but to have been influenced by, and indeed, has had to have agreed with much of Rev. Wright’s radical, mean-spirited, unAmerican dogma.
Why say that Barack endorsed that disdainful leadership? Because he remained in that church throughout Rev. Wright’s God Damn American speeches.
If Barack as a community leader didn’t know about Rev Wright’s preachings, then how can we rely on Mr. Obama to know what is going on in a political administration? When has he been tried and tested in administrative leadership?

Im tired of the press turning this into a black & white election always giving Hillary the fuel to press on. As a white man one thing I can tell ya is Hillary Clinton is as corrupt as they come. She will take away more than she gives. I would rather have Bush as president, at least he lies to your face.

All I can say is Hillary is one class act. If Americans had half a brain they would see right through her!
We have just begun to see
the real Hillary —>
EVIL HILLARY.

TedDaddy -
You’re too right. Let me also add that the county that’s been closing the gap so dramatically still has about 150,000 votes left to count. The trend so far for that region is a landslide for Obama, so it’s possible we’ll see a reversal.
I’d give about anything to be a fly on the wall when Clinton finds out her victory speech was a wee bit premature.

Why is it that Fla has to be the stste that cannot get the votes counted in this race and again we also lost it to the chad do you remember who it was given to Why bother to vote in Fla

Uh, Bruce, I wouldn’t follow your candidate Clinton on calling Indiana too soon if I were you. As of right now, he’s only 20k behind her. Lake county, the last one to ring in, has another 150,000 votes left to count, and so far that county has split 75/25 for Obama.
Man, why does anyone bother with sports, following this stuff is vastly more exciting… it actually means something.

What does it matter if it ties? This is Indiana. It would still be a loss for your guy.

“What does it matter if it ties? This is Indiana. It would still be a loss for your guy.”
Who said anything about tie? He’s down by 20,000 votes. There’s a 150,000 left to count in Lake County, and it’s trending 75/25 for Obama. If it keeps up like that, he’ll get about 112,000 to her 38,000 in Lake, netting him 74-75.000. That would give him a net lead on Clinton of 50,000+ votes.
We’re not talking about a potential tie. We’re talking about an Indiana victory for Obama.
Course that could change, so lets just wait and see shall we?

How is he unelectable? He’s faced the most abysmal month of his career, with a concerted media hyping of the Wright issue 24/7. He’s up against a former first lady and her husband the ex president. He’s up against the Republican Nominee, the Party, and the entire array of conservative political groups, who’ve been attacking him exclusively and ignoring Clinton.
He was a newcomer with no political machine, favors to cash in, and almost zip for name recognition.
In spite of all of this, he’s won one state in a landslide, and he might possibly win the other. He’s ahead in the pledged delegates, the popular vote, the number of states one, and he’s been drawing in superdelegates 3-1 compared to Clinton, bringing her former 3 digit lead down to the teens. He’s fundraising faster than any candidate in history.
How’s any of that make him seem unelectable?

Bruce, on one thing we agree completely.
I was a big McCain fan in the past. It’s been heartbreaking to watch him completely sell out to the Bush Base at every opportunity.
It does give me hope though. With every passing day, his platform grows further away from both the dems. That’ll make it easier to get the losing dems supporters to vote for the winner in November.
No matter how you slice it, McCain is the wrong choice. Obama or Hillary in 08 (preferably Obama LOL)

fontapa, one big thing against Obama in the Fall would be that maybe hundreds of thousands of Hispanics who voted for Hillary will vote for McCain. The Clintons are favorites in that community but they like John McCain as they like his immigration policies. Another thing, all mine, is my theory that many thousands who have voted for Obama were male and some female Hillary stoppers. I am old enough to have learned that the idea of a woman President is too much for many men in either party. These Obama votes will not go to Obama later. Lastly Obama is not and probably will not be an A list debater and John McCain, who is ready for prime time, will beat him in the crucial Presidential debates. I could go on.

What I see with every post on every
forum is that the negative, cynical,
or bigoted are the ones that support
Clinton; and the ones that have some
sense of conscience, compassion,
hope, and belief are the ones that
support Obama.

Why are people upset that people are calling for Hillary to get out of the race.
#1 Think about it, when was the last time democrat nor republican primary’s lasted this long.
#2 Clinton has noway to win this race, without people feeling Obama was stripped of the nomination. Wether popular vote or delegate count. NOWAY
#3 Has somebody stated earlier, what about if the roles were reversed, they wouldve pushed Obama out of the race.
Obama cant win for winning

“As much monies that Obama has gotten he should have walked all over Clinton and still she running pretty close doesn’t that tell us somthing”
Doesn’t the quote above tell you something about the typical clinton supporter?

I am really tired of the Clinton campaign complaining that Obama is outspending them 3 to 1 on these primaries. Does it occur to anyone that he has been able to raise so much more money than she can…… What does she think ? That if she is the nominee, Obama will raise money for her ? NOT >>>>>>>

And how can you with a straight face say Michigan should be counted? That its even still an issue is crazy. This is politics run amok! I guess its hardly surprising considering those sworn to uphold and protect the Consitution are the ones trampling it and it occurs on a daily basis… Apparently you can lie your arse off and say I misspoke or better yet you just say that’s old news, next question… *sigh*

Now is the time for a graceful exit. Show the country and your party that you really are the stateswoman that so many perceive you to be.

Bruce,
if you go to realclear politics you will see that it was Clinton not Obama that had double digit leads in the polls in Indiana.
I keep hearing this spin and it is not true. Clinton has been favored in Indiana in both single and double digits all the way back to March according to their data. The most he was ever favored is by 5 in early April. A poll the same time period favored Clinton in double digits.
Also polling clearly shows that the majority have a less favorable (more negative) opinion of Hillary then Obama.
She is now seen has being an attack dog and her attacks are viewed by the majority as unfair.

to Misskeys : Yes, I do have some more :
Young, Honest, Strong. Smart. Knowledgeable – Obama is our President.

to Bishop – do not even dare to put Obama in that mess. That always were and be clintons, playing dirty games. Are You on their side?
Well, dirt always sticks to dirt. Your choice.
Wehave another direction with our Honest, Young, Strong and Smart President.
Dirt is just dirt, we will wash it out – your clintons would not go anywhere. Trust me.

I’m an Obama man, but I hope Hillary keeps going through the rest of the primaries. She can’t win, but she’s waged a tough campaign that has hit Obama on every weak spot imaginable. I think its prepared him well for November. I hope she keeps going but starts beating on McCain now, as Obama will surely take the nomination. Its time to realize that Hillary/Obama are not enemies, nor should their supporters be. Time to focus on keeping McCain out of the White House.

Senator Barack Obama, brilliant intelligence, consistent integrity, proven judgment, amazing leader of the American people! Our President!

It doesn’t say a lot for Hilary that she cannot see that she cannot win under the current rules which she has previously accepted. If she were to win under new rules, there would be an enormous outcry and she can’t see that either.
Hilary wants to win this so bad that she puts herself ahead of her party and everything else.
She has gone as far as she could possibly go and if she had done something spectacular in North Carolina, I could see how see could rationlise staying in the race.
It is so obvious that it is over and if she had any judgment at all, she would now exit from this race.
Instead, it would appear that she wishes to battle on and that speaks volumes for her win or lose at all cost approach.
She has fallen a long way since last year when she thought the democratic nomination would be handed to her on a plate. She must be astounded by what has happened and I think it has clouded what judgment she may have had.
I would only add that her kitchen sink strategy was very dissappointing. It was born out of desperation and demonstrated perfectly her true devisive nature.
I do not think there is an awful lot that Hilary can look back upon during her campaign and be proud of. I think both she and her husband let themselves down enormously.
They got beaten by a genuine underdog who came from a long way behind and who demonstrated the leadership, vision and organization that Hiliary did not.

I wonder what Hillary is defining as a win. Is it the nominee or nothing? Perhaps she would consider it a win if she could just pay Bill back the money. Perhaps she is looking to strike a deal with the DNC, where she as some other position – lead democrat in the senate. Her database and connections are still strong. The democrats face two vary different scenarios if Hillary bows out and supports Obama with all the energy and skill she is putting behind her own campaign vs. Hillary bows out, complains about the DNC, complains about sexism, complains about how the democratic party has lost its way. She could really cripple the democrats, not only with Obama’s ge bid, but with very democrat up for election this nov.

people i NC must have lost there mine as so many have if he wins lets see what they are saying in four years,

It is simply amazing how Clinton supporters try to manipulate the system they have apart of the last twenty or so years. First, she does not set the terms by which the nominee is selected. Furthermore, she does not determine what the prerequisites are as the race unfolds. Secondly, they did not expect this dynamic captivating upstart to raise as much money and inspire so many people to his CAMPAIGN. One must never count your eggs before they hatch, she did last September. Okay, so he said he would win Indiana, big deal! No Clintard expected her win would be so minimal. The people have spoken, the black blue collar, black middle class, independents, republi-crats, white blue collar, educated, elites representing the intelligentsia, voters under sixty-five, college students, and the independe-crats are aligned with Obama. Clinton is a fighter, smart, crafty, and a great philosophical politican; however, she is not the only one to possess those qualities. Finally, if she has gained so much momentum in three and a half victories out of the last six, what about the thirteen in a row that he won. If Hillary had done that it would have ova!

Anyone who still argues that Florida and Michigan’s votes should could is no Democrat and certainly not a thinking person.
The parties have rules. It is that simple. Florida and Michigan willingly broke the rules. The party sets the rules and enforces them. These two states ignored the rules. The primaries don’t count.
Obama DID NOT RUN in either state. He bowed to the party rules. A true Democrat would. If he had run he might have won…who knows. But it is ludicrous to argue (after Hillary already agreed previously with the Democratic decision to not count their votes) that these incomplete contests should count.
The nominee should represent the Democratic party. If that individual cannot follow the party’s rules now…what makes you honestly believe ANY of their (ok, her) campaign promises will be kept. She is desperate and is simply looking for a way to continue. It is time to move on.

“DID NOT RUN”. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? Hillary did not run either. Both had ads appear due to cable but neither ran in the states. The Florida voters came out and voted for Hillary by a very wide margin. Also I will repeat. The Republican party proposed and voted for the primary date change. Florida and Michigan should have a vote if there is any justice.

Florida + Michigan + Superdelegates doing what there were created to do, vote for the best candidate in the general election. =’s A Democrat winning in November. Hillary is going to win most of the remaining primaries. The superdelegates were not created to mirror the primary vote. They were created to do just the opposite. To vote their experience if it was needed to avoid yet another November drumming.

Yes, Obama! You will not allow this cunning woman to spin out lie after lie about the delegate tally. You owe that to your supporters who vastly outnumber hers nationwide.
We will be furious if you ever let this woman try to fool us who are normal, decent and intelligent people.
We trust that the Obama campaign and the Democratic Party will do whatever they need to do to prevent that sort of election ploys that the Clintons are so good at, from taking place.
The people are with you!

I am an HRC supporter – but I say to her Move Over and give Obama the nomination. It is just beyond belief that blacks ran out in droves to vote for him. Do the blacks think that having a black president is going to make thier life’s better. Very scary world. Mark my words – Obama will have that racist – hating preacher back in life after the election. I will not vote for Obama in this election – I just think he is full of rhetoric and his racist wife is too much for me to watch. She is so racist – Very disappointed that McCain will be the next Prez. Am I the only black man that didn’t vote for Obama.