Rendell: Obama ‘Rivals’ Reference No Accident
ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Gregory Wallace Report: Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell (D) thinks that Sen. Barack Obama’s, D-Ill., recent reference to Abraham Lincoln’s "Team of Rivals" was intended to send a signal about his openness to including Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., on the Democratic ticket.
"I know Senator Obama. He doesn’t say anything by accident," said Rendell. "He went out of his way to mention ‘Team of Rivals.’"
Rendell, a high-profile Clinton supporter who helped her carry the Keystone State’s April 22nd primary, would still like to see the former first lady become the Democratic presidential nominee. But with that scenario looking increasingly unlikely, Rendell is optimistic that Obama will put her in the No. 2 spot.
Obama’s reference to "Team of Rivals," a 2005 book by Doris Kearns Goodwin, came May 22 in Boca Raton, Fla. A voter asked him if he would be willing to consider a running mate who could help unify the party "even if his or her spouse is an occasional pain in the butt".
"One of my heroes is Abraham Lincoln," said Obama. "And a while back there was a wonderful book written by Doris Kearns Goodwin called ‘Team of Rivals,’ which talked about [the way] Lincoln basically pulled in all the people who had been running against him into his Cabinet because whatever . . . personal feelings there were, the issue was how can we get this country through this time of crisis."
"And I think," he added, "that has to be the approach that one takes, whether it’s vice president or Cabinet, whoever, and by the way that does not exclude Republicans either."
The author of "Team of Rivals" has joined Rendell in predicting that Obama will pick Clinton as his running mate. Appearing Tuesday on MSNBC, Goodwin said she is willing to bet that the Democratic frontrunner will put Clinton on the ticket if he wins the nomination.
Rendell made his comments in Arlington, Va., following a National Governors Association discussion on state efforts to prevent home foreclosures.
ABC News’ Sunlen Miller and David Chalian contributed to this report.
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if obama is not man enough to put hillary on the ticket, then he is surely not man enough to deal with the world’s tough leaders who will test him. if hillary is not on the ticket, i walk to mccain, plain and simple
Posted by: ron | May 28, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Lincoln kept Chase in the Cabinet because he thought he could control him better if he was closer to him.
So I am thinking Obama could appoint to a Cabinet position it wouldn’t have to be ambassador to Bosnia or something like that.
But if he thinks she is gonna kneecap him maybe he can put her at HHS to keep her occupied.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 28, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
While your all running to support McCain out of spite why don’t you look at his advisers: Norman Podoretz Promoting war with Iran. Cofer Black Head of Blackwater, Charlie Black Blackwater. Bud McFarlane Iran contra. Robert Kagan, Bill Kristol, on record supporting invasion of Iraq before 911. And Henry Kissinger, the granddaddy of them all, father of Nixon’s failed foreign policy an WAR CRIMINIAL extrodinaire. If that is the company you are comfortable with McCain keeping, then your voting for WAR rather than a canidate. In other words you will vote for a BUSH 3rd term, rather than an alternative. Some Democrat. But the neo-CONS are all just liberals who believe in imperialism and further expansion of the far reaching empire that we no longer can afford. Who needs bullets when you can’t buy food with our worthless dollar and are evicted out of your home? Never matter, we have to bomb some brown people in order to be safe in our tent cites in public parks 5,000 miles away.
Posted by: ugh | May 28, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Clinton will not take it to the convention. It won’t happen.
And if you listened to her retoric, you would know.
She knows this is over but this history and she doesn’t want to go done without fighting.
I honestly wouldn’t mind Clinton on the ticket. As long as it’s Obama on top. The President makes the decisions not the Vice.
Posted by: Vanessa | May 28, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
To all Dems who say they will vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination, go ahead. When your kids are dying in another war that we should not be in, will you still “support” your vote, or will you be the ones protesting another war and calling for McCain’s impeachment . All this because you didn’t like that Obama got the nomination. That’s just plain stupid. I am a Hillary supporter, but I know when the fight is lost. Once Obama gets the officail nod, I will be out to support him, just like I have supported Hillary.
Posted by: Kellie | May 28, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
“I know Senator Obama. He doesn’t say anything by accident,” said Rendell. “He went out of his way to mention ‘Team of Rivals.’”
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LMAOROTF!!! that is the funniest thing I ever read!!
Old gaffe mouth! LOL LOL LOL ha ah hahaha Every thing he SAYS IS AN ACCIDENT!!!
Posted by: HP Boston | May 28, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Isn’t team of Rivals about including people from the opposite party in your cabinet? Chuck Hagel, Richard Lugar, Colin Powell, etc. Forget Hillary, she brings nothing good to his ticket. He certainly doesn’t need her to win or to make progress while in the White House.
Posted by: brianr | May 28, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
I have changed to independent and I have no worries voting for McCain. He is knowledgeable and experienced. He is the better moderate to balance the WH and get THINGS DONE!
Obama is to far, far, left to accomplish anything of importance as he showed in IL. and the Senate!
So if the convention and the seating of FL and MI delegates is not resolved, he is my guy!
HILLARY is superior to both John and Barry!
Posted by: HP Boston | May 28, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
It is true Obama knows exactly what he does say.
All his lies, all his misconceptions, misleading remarks to the people.
The stories he has made up, in order to make people believe he fits in and can make it seem like he can relate to them.
All for a vote. The Scam artist in action.
Saddly has dupped so many people.
He wants to conquer the world and rule.
Can’t put anything past anyone who throws their own grandmother that raised them under a train.
Posted by: seah | May 28, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
clearly hillary would make a better president. however, let’s not forgot how powerful cheney has made the veep spot…clinton can still run the country from air force 2.
Posted by: History'sLessons | May 28, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
I sure hope he’s referring to Chuck Hagel, or at least referring to offering her some cabinet-level position that he knows she won’t accept, ’cause I don’t feel like holding my nose while I vote.
Posted by: Mary | May 28, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Clinton makes the ticket as strong as it possibly could be, but it is still likely not to be good enough. Clinton needs to be the nominee if Democrats want to win in November. And she ought not put Obama on the ticket, because the same associations that make him unelectable will drag Clinton down. Democrats have to make a clean break from Obama. He fates the party to disaster.
Posted by: Andrew Austin | May 28, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Uh,Roxanne…The Clintons made $109 mil over 7 years.Not last year.Bill being the larger earner. Could be because he was a past 2 term president. Just guessing.. Get your facts straight. Obama made a few mil himself from book sales. Why is that so shocking? Non issue.
Posted by: Bea | May 28, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Lou,
Where were you when Hillary was dodging bullets in Bosnia?
You were right there seeing and hearing her lie directly to your face, huh?
Not only do you not possess common sense, you’re unable to grasp the simple concept of ethical sense whatsoever.
Look at the white american calling the polish guy WHITE!
Hypocrit
Posted by: Jack | May 28, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
This older white American male is planning on voting Obama.
Fewer and fewer regrets every day, seeing the kind of behavior that Mrs. Clinton and her supporters are capable of.
Obama may be inexperienced, but given the kind of “experience” that Washington offers — that may not be a bad thing.
Vote for Change — Obama ’08.
Posted by: Tom C | May 28, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
I think this is great: If Obama wins, we get Obama, Clinton and McCain in the Whitehouse, which is where they *all* belong. Clinton can be the one to order missile strikes and McCain can be the one to answer the phone at 3:am and Obama can do what he does best: Make America look good.
That is what *I* would like to see!
Posted by: jojoba | May 28, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Russ,
Since you are an expert of the past, perhaps it would behoove you to go tell Bush/Cheney/McCain that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
Unfortunately, they do not have the insight, foresight, or hindsight to learn from Truman or Johnson, and neither do you.
Posted by: No Murderers Wanted | May 28, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
If Hillary wants to be # 2, let her beg Barack. Does this not make sense especially after that god for saken word she used the other day about why she is not going away?
Posted by: Ngoh | May 28, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
The whole OBAMA team knows Hillary is radioactive and to keep a safe distance of such massive toxicity.
Plus, she blew any chances of that happening on Friday with her dumb a** comments about the Kennedy assassination.
WHAT A DUFUS MAXIMUS!
She’ll be home baking cookies in a week.
Bill will be at the Mustang Ranch dusting off and getting a checkup with the “head nurse”.
Chelsea will become a Nun.
That is all
Posted by: Jack | May 28, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
OBAMA HAS TOO MUCH DIRT IN HIS PAST AND PRESENT, TO WIN IN NOVEMBER!
HILLARY CAN WIN!
IF WE PUT OBAMA IN THE NOMINATION, WE WILL LOOK LIKE THE BIGGEST FOOLS EVER!
IF HILLARY DOESN’T GET THE NOMINATION, I WILL BECOME AN INDEPENDENT!
I NO LONGER WANT TO BE PART OF A PARTY THAT GETS SNOOKERED OVER AND OVER BY THE REPUBLICANS!!!!
HILLARY CLINTON 08!!!!!!
Posted by: kerry | May 28, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
He should put her on the ticket if he wants a large part of her base to vote for him. I love it when his supporters call Obama a man of high morals and integrity, insinuating he is far and above other politicians. He got his political start in Chicago, got elected 3 terms as a newcomer there for State Senate, and walked right into the U. S. Senate. After serving only actually 18 months there before running for President, I don’t know how anyone can possibly think he has gotten this far by having high morals and integrity. Chicago political insiders just might have had a lot to do with it. He used Rev. Wright’s position to gain a political base, and then ditched him (publicly anyway) when the heat got too much. His morals and integrity are the same as any other politician I imagine, maybe a little more, and maybe a little less. It’s fine to support him, but don’t expect Clinton supporters to believe he is above reproach when it comes to personal integrity, that is just not realistic.
Posted by: DWC | May 28, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Why is Hilary still in the race when the DNC has issued the rule that no greater than 50% of the FL/MI delegates will be seated? The nomination is based on delegates. They all agreed upon this in the beginning. Obama is what, 49? short of the nomination without counting the renegade states. He’ll get those easily by June 4th. Hilary won’t take this to convention; it’s political suicide and she knows it. She knows she’s lost; she’s not stupid. So what is her motivation for running now?
1.) Supreme court nominee? She’d never get past the Senate.
2.) VP? Not likely gonna happen.
3.) Tear down BHO so he’ll lose 2008 and she’ll have a chance at 2012? Hmmm…
Starting to look more and more like number 3…
Posted by: Darren | May 28, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
There is a clear disconnect between the “MYTH” that the Clintons were good for Democratic Party and Progressive causes and the true “LEGACY”. The evidence and facts do not lie. A progressive review illustrates clearly that the Clintons are Working Class Predators who deceive and manipulate the lower classes for votes. Hence WINNGING WITH A CLINTON IS LOSING.
Clinton Myth: http://prorev.com/clintonmyth.htm
Clinton Legacy: http://www.prorev.com/legacy.htm
Clinton Scandals: http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm
Posted by: Christopher London | May 28, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
“Hillary would never agree to be on the same ticket with Obama as veep!”
Mind reader? Get real.
She’ll do what it takes to maintain any kind of power. This third party stuff is nonsense.
Please, somebody explain something to me. Clinton loans her campaign money while her supporters give the campaign money. What’s the deal? If anybody can afford to donate, it’s Senator Clinton.
Posted by: Kees | May 28, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
obama has too much dirt?!! have you forgotten who he’s running against? hillary clinton. hello! obama could have dragged out soooo much dirt on her and bill yet he chose not to. whitewater, monicagate, vince foster, her naivety in believing bill regarding “that woman,” susan mcdougal, lani guinier need i go on? because i could. her failed attempt at passing her healthcare plan, illegal access to fbi files…
Posted by: kay | May 28, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Folks who don’t want Clinton to be president would be irrational to want her wearing the VP hat. She’s shown that she already has assassination on her mind…;-) The Florida/Michigan delegate maneuvering is tiresome. The DNC has rules in place. Stick with them and move on.
Posted by: Kevin | May 28, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
All Obama has to do is win every state Kerry won and pick up Iowa, Colorada, and either New Mexico or Nevada he’s going to do that with or without Clinton, but perhaps to make sure McCain can’t play total offense in Michigan (with Romney) or Florida (with Criss) and go unapposed in Missouri and pick a fight in Pennsylvania, Obama should pick Clinton. I do think a Clinton on the ticket could make Colorado tough but Bill could maybe sure up Pennsylvania and Ohio. Let’s face it people aren’t voting for Hillary they’re voting for Bill.
Posted by: tj | May 28, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
“It’s amazing. Hillary supporters hear her stretching the truth every day, yet you sit in self righteousness and call someone else a liar. Frauds!”
- Amen, there are a lot of pots and kettles being thrown around.
Posted by: red | May 28, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
i might add, i was a staunch clinton supporter until bill started playing dirty and her following suit soon after. i’d love to be able to cast my vote for the first female president. she’s making it harder and harder to do so.
as for obama naming hillary as his running mate should he be the nominee; after her latest faux pas regarding “anything could happen,” which she’s made at least twice, how can he put her on the ticket without the constant worry of looking over his shoulder? i wouldn’t do it. i’d be too afraid. you shouldn’t have to fear your running mate.
Posted by: kay | May 28, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
It’s amazing. Hillary supporters hear her stretching the truth every day, yet you sit in self righteousness and call someone else a liar.
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Amen a third time!
Posted by: Argreed | May 28, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
It would be a step down for Hillary to accept the VP nod, if it were even offered. Obama was able to capitalize on her leadership in the debates, and it was obvious that she was so much more knowledgeable on all of the issues. Why would she be content to officiate in the Senate, or take a backseat doing menial activities if she were even given any. She is the one who has worked on so many issues her entire life. This whole campaign is a joke on the American people.
She has a future of her own worthy of her intelligence, knowledge, and experience. She does not need to prop him up in anyway. Let him bluff his way forward. He cannot win the GE.
Posted by: georgia | May 28, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
kay – I think Karen Sebelius from Kansas would be a terrific running mate. She’s a good centrist Governor and the former Insurance Commissioner of that state.
Posted by: Texas Voter | May 28, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Hillary on the Ticket would be a profound error in judgment on Obama’s part. She is a millstone and would be a magnet for republicans to get out the vote and an anathema to Independents.
Posted by: anabel | May 28, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Some of the supporters on both sides need to refocus their eyes on the prize.
Posted by: Oh Really | May 28, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
texas voter- from one yellow rose to another, regarding sebelius i totally concur.
Posted by: kay | May 28, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
HRC wasn’t going to be able to win a general election before this primary season started and she’s even less equipped now. It doesn’t even need to go as far as whether someone likes her or not- the Clinton name enflames the Republicans and that is why she stays off the ticket.
Posted by: brueso | May 28, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
I am a strong Clinton supporter, but I have to be honest – I don’t think I could vote for an Obama / Clinton ticket.
I cannot force myself to vote for Obama – it is very serious for me. I just don’t think I can vote for obama under any circumstances.
It is a matter of principle – a vote would be saying I agree with him, and I don’t. I will have to vote for the country/not the party on this one.
Posted by: disgusted in Illinois | May 28, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
The key difference, the winning difference between the republicans and democrats.is they get solidified early. They rally behind the party line.They all get on board. In 2000 the repubs were pretty well set after SC when bush cut McCains Knees out from under him. After that the message was universal and unified. The dems will divide and conquer amongst themselves. they will self destruct due to their commitment to their own uniquenes.. In 2000 Al Gore had to get every last opinion in the room and then he still changed his mind again. Here is the reality… Democrats sweep the House elections and pick up 3 seats in the senate. Then they will control of both houses and the new President John Sidney McCain (elected largely because we really are a nation of biggots) will be lucky to pass his own gas..
Posted by: brian | May 28, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Dems & Independents, the more we are learning of McCain, the more reason we have to stay united. Hillary, Obama, Gore, Bobo the Clown, who cares, as long as it’s not McCain. A vote for McCain is a vote for the status quo.
Anyone who would vote for Obama or Hillary in the primary but for McCain in the general is voting on pure emotion. I know how you feel. The way things in this country have gone for the last 7 years, it’s hard not to get emotional. But think of the incredibly long list of Bush actions that have been absolutely horrible: Abu Graib, Iraq war, stem cells, extreme conservative justices (almost enough to reverse Roe), Katrina, tax cuts that increase income disparity, federal deficit, no-bid contracts in Iraq and for Medicaid drugs, bankruptcy restrictions, broadened definition of “manager” to reduce those eligibible for overtime pay, wallstreet bailouts, privatize social security, no action on healthcare, and on and on and on.
McCain is the opposite of Obama and Hillary. Obama supporters – shut up about FL and MI. This is politics, not a court of law. If Hillary can convince that FL and MI count, lump it. Hillary supporters – take a careful look at Obama’s campaign proper, which has hardly at all attacked Hillary. Don’t confuse obnoxious bloggers with Obama’s official campaign.
Stay united for Roe, for the vets, for the boys and girls who want to come home from Iraq (and some of whom would rather be in Afghanistan), for the uninsured, for the Katrina-homeless, for those with slowly eroding benefits, for all the people who have suffered through the wretched destruction of our nation’s reputation by the Bush propaganda cowboy.
On Nov. 4, let’s be able to say “Mission Accomplished” by voting the GOP out of Washington.
Posted by: JTS | May 28, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
well said JTS unfortunately the Dems are to busy talking to be able to listen. then when its all over they scratch their heads and wonder what the heck happened
Posted by: brian | May 28, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
It makes me sad to see so many Hillary supporters ready to willingly vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination.
If you CLAIM to believe in the things Hillary stands for, then there is no way in HELL you should ever even consider voting for McCain come this November. This goes for Obama supporters, too.
Stop being immature American citizens and vote based on what you feel is best for AMERICA!! Not to spite Obama (or Hillary, if that is the case) for beating the other Democrat. Shame on those who do otherwise!
It is voters like you who got Bush re-elected in 2004, and it will be voters like you who will (God forbid) get McCain elected in 2008. Don’t let us make that mistake again!
As a fifteen-year old Floridian, I desperately NEED to see a Democrat in the White House next January!! This is my future you are gambling with. Use your sense. Hillary supporters and Obama supporters MUST unite against McCain, regardless of the outcome of this primary season!!!
Posted by: Andrew | May 28, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
IM STILL HOPING IT IS CLINTON PRES , OBAMA VP, IF OBAMA BECOMES THE NOMINEE IN ORDER TO CLOSE THE GAP HE NEEDS TO PICK CLINTON.
Posted by: Really | May 28, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
If The DNC Strictly Applies The Rules, Obama Will Lose
A strict interpretation of the DNC Rules that follows the reasoning of the DNC Memo circulated today would require the following results:
A. The stripping of 50% of the delegates of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Michigan.
B. The full seating of the Florida delegation.
C. Should the DNC RBC reject the safe harbor provision for Florida, then Florida would have 50% of its delegations stripped, but Barack Obama would be entitled to no delegates from Florida due to his violation of Rule 20c.1.b. .
By my math, a strict interpretation of the DNC rules would result in a net gain of 80 or 89 pledged delegates for Clinton.
Posted by: Emma | May 28, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
Hillary does not bring anything in the ticket. Her racists followers will never vote for Obama. However, some Obama backers might defect in case she is on the ticket. The guy who will deliver is Bill Richardson. The West and the South is where it is going to be won. Forget about the mad cow, she is going to make Obama lose.
Posted by: Sheila | May 28, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
Hope Obama does not lower himself to put this woman on ticket. Lincoln might have had some fierce and respectable rivals, this one does not come close to that type of rival. If he wants to appease some of the woman supporters, there are woman who are better suited to be vice-presidents than her. Her achievement came as result was not a personal achievement. She got to be a Senator because she was jilted and humiliated by her husband. Before that she was just the wife of the President. She has not earned this the hard way as some woman have. So, she should be lucky that she got this far. Let her go back to the Senate that is quite an achievement for a woman who has not put in her dues.
Posted by: Tedegsa1 | May 28, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Joe Michaels-You are right-Obama supporters, many of them (but not all) would have easily supported Clinton. And I think the same goes for Clinton supporters. The ugliness started with Hillary, though, and her supporters. It got really bad when she said McCain was a better candidate than him and that he was unelectable.
Then started the “If Obama wins, I’ll vote for McCain.” That was the unraveling of the party. It was a shock to Obama supporters who overall felt they would vote for either (except the crossover repubs and some independents who are part of the Hate Hillary camp from the 90′s).
Obama’s supporters did not start this fire, and they won’t be able to put it out. It started because Hil camp really freaked out when the winner was clearly supposed to be Clinton, and it isn’t.
This is like quicksand. The more we push and pull, the further we sink and the harder we get pushed down. At this point, I don’t know how either candidate could unite the party. The goodwill toward Hillary is long, long gone from everyone except the loyalists. And I don’t think Obama can win without them…maybe, maybe he will.
The real pity is that this Hillary/McCain thing shows how little the actual issues mean to the Hil camp, which alienates Obama followers greatly, especially the educated ones who are not driven by loyalty, but by policy and philanthropy.
Posted by: Gina | May 28, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Hillary is winning all. Only the uneducated can make these claims. If Hillary was that good she would have clinched the nomination in February.
Posted by: sheila | May 28, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
Hope Obama should not lower himself to put this woman on the ticket. Lincoln might have had some fierce and respectable rivals, this one does not come close to that type of rival. If he wants to appease some of her female supporters, there are women who are better suited to be vice-presidents than her. Her achievement came as result of being married to a powerful man, was not due to a personal achievement. She got to be a Senator because she was jilted and humiliated by her husband. Before that she was just the wife of the President. She has not earned this the hard way as some women have. So, she should be lucky that she got this far. Let her go back to the Senate–that is quite an achievement for a woman who has not put in her dues. Besides her despicable behavior during this campaign should not be rewarded. I don’t think Obama is a fool. Randell and her acolites can dream on!!
Posted by: Tedegsa1 | May 28, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Hillary does not have Richardson experience and she does not speak Spanish. Her racists followers will vote for McCain anyway, her non racists followers understand that she ran a poor campaign and she lost fair and square. They will vote for Obama-Richardson.
Posted by: Sheila | May 28, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Sheila
I totally agree with you. I wonder who are those that Hillary refers to as being duped to feell that they will wage a war because ‘she was robbed of this’? Except the delusional husband and some politcos.
Posted by: Tedegsa1 | May 28, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
Sheila
I totally agree with you. I wonder who are those Hillary supporters that she refers to? I don’t think many are duped to their stories that they have towage a war because ‘Hillary was robbed of this’ except the delusional husband and some politcos.
Posted by: Tedegsa1 | May 28, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
Sheila
I totally agree with you. I wonder who are those Hillary supporters that she refers to? I don’t think many are duped to their stories that they have towage a war because ‘Hillary was robbed of this’ except the delusional husband and some politcos.
Posted by: Tedegsa1 | May 28, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
Tuesday October 16, 2007 Hillary Clinton was leading Obama by 23 points in the polls among DEM’s http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/16/schneider.poll/index.html
She should present these polls to the undecided super delegates and use herself as the perfect example of the non reliability of the polls months ahead of the real vote.
She should point out that she is trailing by almost 200 delegates, number of states won, number of super delegates. She ran a very negative and low class campaign. She has been a very poor money manager. She owes more than $30 millions. She carries some heavy baggages (too many scandals). This why she thinks she is more electable.
Posted by: Sheila | May 28, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Yeah! then she may underline some of the stereotype about women, which sadly she’s doing now.
Posted by: Tedegsa1 | May 28, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
It’s true, as an early blogger said, that many of us Obama supporters might have voted positively for Hillary. But that was before Obama proved his abilities. Obama is inspirational. He’s good to listen to and watch. He appeals to the spirit. Compare him and hillary as thinkers and as people. Obama’s speech has coherence. He has both intelligence and style. He is a superior human being. He is “likeable.” He is positive. He knows the constitution. He has ideals. He has restraint. His ambition is principled. He is poised. He does not make a virtue of ruthlessness. He has vision. He has taste. Truly, Hillary is NOT likeable enough.
Posted by: Bill | May 28, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
All the talk about Hillary being more “electable” is just pathetically laughable and all the people pushing this theory or who have bought into it are even more pathetic. Politics is a game of strategy and compromise. Hillary Clinton’s opponent played this strategic game better than her. She had the infrastructure and support built up from the days when her husband was president and still she lost to a relative unknown in the game of presidential politics. The question you (ALL HER SUPPORTERS) should really ask yourself is what makes you think she would fare better against the John McCain if she were the nominee when she couldn’t even beat this outsider. Obviously this is a person (Barack Obama) who is playing this game in a way different from the way others have played it with a different strategy in mind. Also BEWARE of false polls, a year ago polls showed Hillary Clinton winning the nomination, but here we are today.
Posted by: kojipham | May 28, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Obama will likely pick 1) a strong HRC supporter or 2) HRC herself.
Dont worry, VP has no power and HRC will have be be on her hands and knees – just like monica – doing the master.
Posted by: Matt | May 28, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
If HRC has won more votes than Obama ( based on her maths ) then Bill Clinton masterminded 9/11. Those who believe either belong in an insane asylum along with Bill and Hillary.
Posted by: Matt | May 28, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
HRC should enjoy when Obama cums on her face.
Posted by: Bill | May 28, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
Ref: “Folks, let’s face it… most every Hillary Hater out there would be cuddling up to the Clintons if Obama wasn’t in the picture ”
Noooooo. We hate her. Read my lips. We would never vote for her esp. with that red-faced finger in your face disgrace of a husband of hers.
Posted by: janet | May 28, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
DNC stop twisting the rules! FL & MI should be counted, as is!!! They were not the only dates of States that were moved, but because they go in Hillary’s favour, you block it!
SUPER DEL’S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/25/memo-to-superdelegates-3-obamas-coalition-is-a-losing-coalition/
HILLARY,ACCORDING TO GALLUP, IS THE ONLY ONE TO BEAT McCAIN!
SUPPORT HILLARY ALL THE WAY!!!
Hey Knucklehead.
The DNC warned these two states that they would be penalized long before the primaries were held in their respective states and they kept their dates the same anyway. That was BEFORE anyone knew Clinton would come out ahead. The only difference is if she had lost we wouldn’t be having these discussions.
And while I am typing… all of you who think the election is lost unless Mrs. Clinton is on the ticket in some capacity are delusional. The only way the republicans can win this year is if Clinton is on the ticket. The one thing that gets all the republicans to the polls is Clinton. People can’t stand Clinton. The sound of her voice alone makes republicans want to eat babies.
Believe me I know. I am a Republican. I am voting for Obama… unless Clinton is on his ticket.
Posted by: Roger | May 29, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am
Why would Obama put Hillary on the ticket? She has already proven herself to be one of the worst campaigners in American history. Going into the primaries, she had more money than anyone, a boatload of superdels already in her corner, and a revered ex-president as her chief surrogate. Now, scant months later, she has lost the election, sullied her own reputation, praised Obama’s opponent, and threatens to drag out the primary process even if it means costing the Party the General Election. Given such a dismal track record, it’s hard to imagine how she would be anything but a hindrance to Obama as he battles McSame.
Posted by: balthus | May 29, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
BO fanatics only deserve to have another empty suit on his crazy ticket. Hillary is much better for him.
No way!
There are many better things to do than mixing up with the person who dare to silent more than 2 million voters from FL and MI.
Let’s see how BO and company to screw up with his ignorance. The party deserves him and he deserves to be a clown.
Posted by: John_Lai | May 29, 2008, 3:28 am 3:28 am
I am from India and closely watching US elections. If a junk of uneducated people from OHIO and Pennsylvania is going to decide who would be the future US president, sure, America wouldn’t come out of the Disaster they are in.
Posted by: geathan | May 29, 2008, 4:11 am 4:11 am
Manchurian Candidate. That’s what Clinton is. And if you don’t get the reference, read the book or watch the movie.
He has little to gain and possibly everything to lose by putting Clinton herself on the ticket. Put a supporter like Rendell, Strickland, Feinstein, or Webb on the ticket.
Posted by: Jim Jones | May 29, 2008, 5:04 am 5:04 am
What’s with the Hilary fans threatening to vote McCain, if the vote is based on what it should be, this doesn’t make sense.
Can someone explain to me why a Hilary supporter would vote McCain over Obama in November? If Hilary and Obama’s policies are more or less similar, why switch to the Republican side just out of spite? That seems to be kind of stupid if you consider the differences between Hilary/Obama and then McCain.
If you’re just voting the other “team” based on spite, at least pick a libertarian or a “throw away vote” to the green party. Do you truly believe helping to vote McCain would more resemble a Hilary presidency?
I guess I’m ignorant on this because I don’t see the sense in it…
Posted by: dodo | May 29, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
NO WAY Hillary as VP. Cabinet member, yes! Ambassador, even better, then he could ship her (and Big Daddy) out of the country.
Posted by: Sharan | May 29, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
“If he doesnt put Hillary on the ticket……..”, please these people that say this and state that they will vote for MCCain over a Democrat are full of it. Hillary is a hot mess. If American wanted her to lead, she would have won the primary ages ago, lets face it, she does not represent change at all, and the Democratic Party knows it. This is so over on Tuesday night, thank God.
Posted by: latinovoter1 | May 29, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
If Clinton is on the ticket, count me out, I am moving to Bosnia
Posted by: Sean | May 29, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Obama is a deceitful? Hillary supporters: have you forgotten whitewater?
Ultimately the Clintons were never charged, but 14 other friends and associates were convicted of more than 40 crimes, including a sitting Governor who was removed from office.
But their close buddies got pardoned just before Bill left office.
Jim Guy Tucker: Governor of Arkansas at the time, removed from office (fraud, 3 counts)
John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker (tax fraud)
William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner (conspiracy)
Stephen Smith (Whitewater): former Governor Clinton aide (conspiracy to misapply funds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
Webster Hubbell: Clinton political supporter; Rose Law Firm partner (embezzlement, fraud)
Jim McDougal: banker, Clinton political supporter: (18 felonies, varied)
Susan McDougal: Clinton political supporter (multiple fraud) Bill Clinton pardoned.
David Hale: banker, self proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud)
Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign)
Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud) Bill Clinton pardoned.
Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud)
Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned.
John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud)
Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery)
Charles Matthews (Whitewater): Whitewater defendant (bribery)
Posted by: Dean | May 29, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Rewarding your enemies by being a heart beat away to the presidency has not been a healthy choice for nominees. In the two closely contested campaigns (Lincoln & Kennedy) that agreed to allow their rivals to be their Vice President were assassinated.
Posted by: Cecil | May 29, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
All due respect. He is holding on to a lost ideal. For Rendell to continue to try or to expect Obama to do anything is not in her best interest. If he does choose her as his VP I will support his decision. I respect the New Kid on the Block and I commend him for doing the almost impossible and running a superb campaign that has become a movement that can actually do Ordinary American’s some good. OBAMA 2008
Posted by: Lou | May 29, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
In these economic times of rising prices of food, gas, foreclosures, and jobs, does America need a president who is inspirational, a good speaker with flamboyant appeal who thinks they are more intelligence than the people they represent and a superior human being? Do America need a “likeable” president, who has no patriotism and has a show and tell exterior posturing but is a consistent liar; the only ideas brought forth belongs to someone else; no restraint and will back stab you while pretending friendship, well he threw grandma under the train; ambitious with underhanded principles, never in the company of more than one other black person, denies his black heritage; pretends to play nice but is really ruthlessness behind the scenes; the only vision is that of someone else, has no plans for change but talk change at every turn; a person who does not understand basic economics and think there are 57 states in the US, fifth grade geography. Well, American this is what you got in Obama and the Republican Party has set you up good.
Posted by: Tayee, Texas | May 29, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
I am an African American Woman, and a proud Hillary Clinton supporter. I will not vote for Barack Obama until Hillary Clinton completes her term(s) as president.
To vote for Obama now would send the black race back 40 years…he has no experience and no reference point to be President. He will be an embarrassment to America.
If Obama wins the nomination, I will stay home or I willvote for McCain over Obama.
Go Hillary…Lord save us from Obama.
Posted by: Allison | May 29, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Since all of your Hillary supporters have access to the internet you need to go read about some of her history. Then decide whether you want to blindly follow her. And any way she’s been riding her husband’s coat tails – she got to the senate on his name not hers. They’re obviously (to some of us) two different people and its obvious (to all us Obama supporters) that she will in no way run this country the same way her husband did – the way she ran her campaign tells it all. And regarding Michigan I read somewhere that there was a time limit for the candidates to take their name off the ballot and she was “late” getting it done. The Clinton supporters stating that they will vote for McCain if Clinton loses are/will be hurting everyone and everything American!! I believe she really wants McCain to win. I would also like to see a woman president one day, just not this time – Hillary it is not your turn!
Posted by: Caddycts | May 29, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
If Obama determines that Clinton would be the best running mate because their positions are so close that if G-d forbid something happens to him he could trust her to carry out his will, he should ask her, no games about it, and compell her to accept.
If he determines she is not the right person to be his VP for whatever reason (baggage, he is turned off by her lack of integrity during the campaign, it would denigrate his message, etc.), then the best move is not to offer the job to her, but to ask her to help him select the VP. Put her in charge of a small committee (just be sure to have one loyal member of that committee there to make sure the five finalists aren’t Hillary, Mickey Mouse, Benito Mousselini, Rex Grossman and Cher).
Posted by: Charlie S | June 1, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
I don’t get why there are women who are going to oppose Obama’s candidacy because he beat Clinton and he isn’t a woman.
I know Ferraro thinks he’s a sexist because he brushed his shoulders and said she was “likable enough” (please explain to me someone how she could possibly come up with this interpretation), but then a book comes out about McCain where he called his wife the “c” word in front of a bunch of aides and reporters and said she puts on her makeup like a trollup… I don’t think you need Ferraro’s dictionary of sexism to break that one down.
Also, James Carville said “if Hillary gave Obama one of her testicles, they’d both have two”. I cannot begin to point out how many things are sexist about this statement… but why do the same women denigrating Obama as sexist giving a Hillary supporter a pass on something that is so much more repulsive toward women than anything I have heard Obama say or do? He is basically saying you need testicles to be president and that Obama is too feminine for the job. I guess if Obama was more hostile toward Hillary, that would be more “manly” in Carville’s eyes, but he has been a total mensch.
Posted by: Charlie S | June 1, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
McCain and Condi Rice – try and trump this duo.
Posted by: Boston Brahmin | June 2, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am