May 25, 2008 5:32pm

Senator Clinton Still Calling for a Debate

ABC News’ Eloise Harper reports: Since the Pennsylvania primary Sen. Hillary Clinton has been calling for a debate with her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama.

She continued her plea in Penuelas, Puerto Rico, standing outside a restaurant while less than 100 people gathered on a dirt walkway. Obama has rebuffed these requests and has instead begun campaigning in states that would be important for him in the general election if he becomes the Democratic presidential nominee.

"I was informed that Univision will sponsor a debate between Sen. Obama and myself about the issues affecting Puerto Rico," Clinton said. "I accept that invitation. Anytime, anywhere. That is the best way for the people of Puerto Rico to have their questions asked and answered and for the rest of the United States to learn more about Puerto Rico."

Clinton reiterated her claim that she feels as though she has been a senator for Puerto Rico, because she represents so many of then in New York.

"I feel as though I have been your senator and now I want to be your president," she said.

User Comments

Hill the Bosnian General is again out of control. She wanted a debate about what? She is the senator of the Puerto-Ricans already, she is the best ever candidate for Puerto-Rico, the best senator in the US, the best first lady, the best candidate for the United States presidency… She has to understand that she has to stop trying to bring down the winner at all cost. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | May 25, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

Know you are good at debating. with the fuel-tax issue, you made a bad idea look good but the truth why Obama will not agree to another debate is not because he is afraid of a debate but because any debate with you results in either him going nasty or you making people cast aspersions on his character.He is also being mindful that any attack on you now will be deemed as a sexist’s.I love you Hilary. For me it is either you or barack but If i was in his shoes, I will not debate you either.

Posted by: vuzous | May 25, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

Hillary Clinton would win the general election hands down. It is a sham that the DNC is so screwed up. I hope that Clinton will drop the DNC and run independent. Let’s see who wins then!

Posted by: James | May 25, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

We need to dbate about whitewater, file gate, and ALL her scandals INCLUDING THE MYSTERIOUS DEATH of vincent foster in the White House and the poor other departed souls for whom she is suspect during their administration. Get lost Hillary.

Posted by: gene | May 25, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Nobody could unify the republican party than Hill the Bosnian General, she will not win the general elections because she is unelectable as we all know it. As we all know also about the very poor management of her campaign (30 milion in debt) nobody will trust Hill with the management of the world largest and biggest economy. A debate will be an opportunity to try to bring down Obama, but Obama needs to preserve himself and protect himself against McNasty. God bless Obama, God bless America. God save America from Hill and her beloved friend old McCain.

Posted by: BKMC | May 25, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

I remember when I was growing up. The bully used to always taunt me and because I chose to take the high road, the bullie’s enablers called me a chicken. Eventually, the bully bumped me and I whooped my opponents arse. Ya’ll might wanna stop trying to call Obama the chump for taking the high road. He’s already won, but he hasn’t broke out the whoop-arse on her yet.

Posted by: Rumble | May 25, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

I think he lacks guts.I remember the first tough interview he got from the press; what am I saying? the only tough interview he ever got from the press. They started to ask him questions on Rezko and he got up and left and refused to answer any questions. Press members actually started booing when he left. Do we want that kind of gutlessness in a president?

Posted by: Marty | May 25, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

Debate? Debate on what? What pantsuit she should wear or the date she should close down her campaign shop? This is seemingly becoming more ridiculous from her campaign side. I believe she is a very articulate and bright person, tell me why she is behaving this way? It makes no sense to me! Here is a good example of her not being capable of running our country- She doesn’t know how to choose the battles-or slow down and evaluate what is going on-She is running on reaction and isn’t that precisely what has happened with the Bush and the republicans? Look where that has gotten us-

Posted by: Sophia Beck | May 25, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

Obama will not debate because he cannot stream his words and knows Hillary is more informed on the issues.

Posted by: Anders Scooper | May 25, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

I think the Hil from Hell should debate Jimmah Cawtaw. Neither of them live in the real world, so they would have something to talk about.

Posted by: Mohair Sam | May 25, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

Supers: Time to end this. Before she destroys the party.

Posted by: dem in chicago | May 25, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

You have the title wrong and anti-Hillary, as usual ABC and for that matter all the liberal press.
It clearly states that Univision called for the debate for Puerto Rican issues and Hillary accepted and called for Obama to accept.
Millions of Americans will no longer trust the liberal press news, because we have seen first hand how you twist it. To think that conservatives were saying this all along and that Fox News is the only unbiased source of news is one of the saddest things to learn out of this whole thing.
So we Hillary supporters end up voting for McCain and I guess that just completes the conversion.
I will hand it to ABC that they have done some decent reporting on Obama as well and the ABC debate didn’t pander to him like the other MSM debates.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

Check out today’s gallup poll. Hillary is way ahead of McCain, while Barack is BARELY ahead of McCain. He can’t win in a general election! Media won’t talk about these numbers, of course.

Posted by: another typical white person | May 25, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

If she could win the GE, why isn’t she winning the nomination? Her clan is trying their best to raise hell about this and that – boo hoo – I’m losing and now I’ll do anything to try and change their minds

Posted by: jozy | May 25, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Don’t thank this will hurt the party because the people are the party and more than half want Hillary for the nominee but it may hurt some like John Edwards if he doesn’t get the vice president position or Bill Richardson if he doesn’t get the vice president position and may hurt Jelly Bean Dean just overall and of course the Obamakins.

Posted by: Anders Scooper | May 25, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Despite the fact that Obama is considered to be the highly probable Democratic nominee, Gallup Poll Daily tracking continues to show that, at the moment, Clinton is performing better against presumptive Republican nominee John McCain than is Obama. Clinton’s five percentage point lead over McCain is statistically significant, and considerably stronger than Obama’s 2-point loss to McCain among registered voters nationwide.

Posted by: see | May 25, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

See……Good luck with that.

Posted by: Mohair Sam | May 25, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

Maybe HRC should run as an Independant.
There is no way she will be the Democratic nominee. Bill and Hillary are now working toward the electorial college, what a load of BS. I guess I will contribute more to Obama…

Posted by: Charlie Richmond | May 25, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

She may not run independent but if she did, she would win. Look at the electoral map. Obama cannot win.

Posted by: see | May 25, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

MR.0 CAN ONLY READ HIS SCRIPT.
BRILLIANT HILLARY WILL KNOCK HIS PANTS OFF IN ANY DEBATE, AND EXPOSE HIM!
PURE AND SIMPLE THAT IS WHY MR. 0 IS FRIGHTENED OF DEBATING HILLARY.
THIS IS NOT SPLITTING THE PARTY, THIS IS DEMOCRACY! ENOUGH OF ASKING HILLARY TO DROP OUT!

Posted by: Mira Vergonha | May 25, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

“I think mccain would win in a landslide if hillary ran independent.”
That means it’s the next best outcome.

Posted by: len | May 25, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

McCain will win in a landslide if she soesn’t run as independent (and of course she isn’t).
The only way McCain doesn’t win is if Hillary is Dem nominee for president.
I know, won’t happen, so McCain wins in a landslide.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

charlie sez: “As for being a “Strong Women” she allowed her husband to have multiple affairs with Paula, Jennifer, and Monica.”
Nice to have charlie confirm once again the role that sexism and character assasination by obama’s thugs have played in the nomination process.

Posted by: len | May 25, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

I am half black. I don’t support Obama because he is not qualified. I assume that you are one of the many black people who voted for him just because he is black… Just proving a point.

Posted by: Josh | May 25, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

kerry –
Right she won more election votes – it is not me friend who needs to learn about the election process- but you who sho0uld learn how to count the states that didn’t break the rules

Posted by: jozy | May 25, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

Howard Dean and his cronies at the DNC goofed big time. How could any American disenfranchise two states? Will this be an election by 48 states? Read the Constitution: every vote counts! This nominating process is not over. Let it run out; let 50 states be counted and then wait for the super delegates to choose the most experienced,most electable candidate:
Senator Clinton. John McCain will be our next president if Obama is chosen.

Posted by: Karol | May 25, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

charlie sez: “I was also in Vietnam, but I did not get shot down, it would appear that one of us was smarter.”
Then one of you was a ramf or a coastie. Since he was a Navy commander and war hero, it’s pretty clear which of you was dinky dau.

Posted by: len | May 25, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

@ Charlie Richmond
McCain was a prisoner of war. Time after time they offered to let him go but not the other prisoners. He refused every time the offered because wanted all of the prisoners released. Each time he refused they would break the bones in his arms and hands. That is why he cannot lift his arms above his head and that is why he is a war hero.
Maybe you can keep talking and prove how uneducated Obama supporters really are.

Posted by: see | May 25, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

@omentum: I will Nikko. I will.
You’re still going to lose this election, kid, by a blowout. Do the math. Delegates don’t mean squat to the GE.

Posted by: len | May 25, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

OBAMA IS SCARDEEE CAT!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Andrew | May 25, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

Yeah, why is Obama too chicken to debate Clinton at this point? Why can’t he close the deal? Why is he continuing to be crushed in major swing states even after the press has anointed him as the “presumptive nominee”. Why doesn’t he win the electoral map and Hillary does? Why, why, why? Because Obama is a candidate for his pack of Obama zombie followers only, not for America. These are people that are not invested in understanding what America needs, but are the fast food generation that think they have an arrogant, inherent right to walk in and start making demands for the rest of us to fulfill. Also, why does Obama skip out on the middle-class? How the h— is he going to possibly win an election?
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Obama and SweetieGate, we shall not forget?
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 25, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

I believe somebody better keep an eye on Hill and Bill-and don’t let her no where near the VP spot-She might do something to Obama to become the President- Forget her running as an independent just keep her out of the VP spot and AWAY FROM OBAMA. Somebody need to call the FBI and inform them.

Posted by: lowes4321 | May 25, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

I think the Clinton’s are great family because I respect them very much like other Americans but the way she goes about this campaign may end her political career if care is not taking…….. What does she want to debate with Obama at this stage of the campaign instead of looking for a way to unite the party she want more divide
She may be a spoiler indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lawrence | May 25, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

enough. Supers end this now before the Clintons destroy our chances in November.

Posted by: dem in chicago | May 25, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Electoral map???? Who made these maps? Best be studying the demographics. Anybody that believes VA, NC, SC and GA are going to be red states this year really needs their head examined. Those folks are voting Obama this year.
Obama ’08!

Posted by: Hope | May 25, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

He should be forced to debate by the DNC. he has done so poorly in one on one debates that he refuses to have anymore.
Problem is, in the general election he will have to debate one on one.
The should be a part of the decision making process and most of the debates were before the filed narrowed. They have only had 4 or 5 one on one.
Just yet another reason among many that he is unelectable.

Posted by: s.b. | May 25, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

I respect McCain very much as a war hero but he should Waite for another war if he loves it but after 8 years of Obama administration because we cant spend all our energy in Iraqi war…… we need some time to care for the home things you understand?

Posted by: lawrence | May 25, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

I wish she would run on the Independent ticket………she would win easily.
I am so disgusted with the Dem party bosses and how they have tried to cram Obama down our throats. I have two words to explain Obama’s delegate lead: Caucuses and Dean.
Good luck with that in November.

Posted by: Roger | May 25, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

What does she want to debate.
Perhaps her unethical behavior in this nomination process?
The Fat lady has sung, its time for Clinton to take a bow.

Posted by: JLD1959 | May 25, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

ROGER, you are so right. If Hillary ran independent she would win.
Make you her and Bill can hold that election in your bedroom at a little sleep over party sometime.
Get real.

Posted by: get real | May 25, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

Debates are for valid opponents. I’m sure he’d be happy to debate McCain.

Posted by: brynb2 | May 25, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

Hillary
Get off your horse and support the democratic nominee.
His name is BARACK OBAMA.
Turn on the tv or read the paper – I think you’ll like him. He’s gonna win,
UNLESS YOU CONTINUE TO DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO BREAK HIS ANKLES!
Is Ickes hoping for another Carter 1980 disaster?

Posted by: Gina | May 25, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

OMG, I peed my pants laughing at her….Can’t wait for June 3rd

Posted by: LOL = she's lsot it | May 25, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm

After Pennsylvania, Obama is done debating Hillary. She wipes the floor with him on the issues. He’ll never put himself in that position again. Better to work large crowds with the telemprompter like a rock star. “Hello Tampa. I love you Tampa. It’s great to be here in Tampa… blah, blah, blah.”

Posted by: hopesprings52 | May 25, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm

Why the front runner is afraid to debate after PA?

Posted by: stephanie | May 25, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

You expect this out of republicans but why do Hillary democrats try to pass off being questioned about flag pins as a intelligent debate? We all get it.. you want your candidate to beat the guy but at this expense?

Posted by: Max Mosley | May 25, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

There is no need for Obama to debate with Hillary. What more is there to say? As a Nuyorican, Hillary has never done anything for the Puerto Rican community in NYC. She has done nothing in the senate other than to pass the abortion pill for over the counter buy. During her husband time in office which she likes to claims as her presidential experience he did away with welfare without provide decent jobs for those who were under that program. Where are they now? In SSI, that’s where. Goodbye to the Clintons and hello to a new era in American Politics where everyone will be truly represented!

Posted by: Jane | May 25, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

The most shameful thing that I am seeing about this whole primary is how easily people become divided when things don’t go exactly their way. With that sort of mindset in our country, I fear that we will continue along the same downward spiral no matter who wins the general election. All of this bickering is succeeding at nothing but making the Democratic party look like a big joke. Way to go!!!!

Posted by: undone | May 25, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

ABC, you have the title wrong and anti-Hillary, as usual ABC and for that matter all the liberal press.
It clearly states that Univision called for the debate for Puerto Rican issues and Hillary accepted and called for Obama to accept.
Millions of Americans will no longer trust the liberal press news, because we have seen first hand how you twist it. To think that conservatives were saying this all along and that Fox News is the only unbiased source of news is one of the saddest things to learn out of this whole thing.
So we Hillary supporters end up voting for McCain and I guess that just completes the conversion.
I will hand it to ABC that they have done some decent reporting on Obama as well and the ABC debate didn’t pander to him like the other MSM debates.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

Hillary wants to debate Obama because she knows he is not a good debater. He stumbles when he speaks and puts his foot in his mouth. So he doesn’t want to debate Hillary. If he was a good debater he would debate her and put her away. I guess we’ll have to wait until John McCain debates him. Obama you can’t run and hide, you will have to debate.

Posted by: waggdogg | May 25, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

“Senator Clinton Still Calling for a Debate”
Looks like ol’Hills wants a front row seat at the next Obama – McCain debate.
That musta been what she was a callin for.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 25, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

Hillary is a hard headed lady, she did not surrond herself with smart advisors, and she thought that her and Bill had this wraped up,she has some many diffrents swing moods, will the reeal Hillary please stand up, grow up and accept it you lost, Obama does not need her as his VP. there are other who can bring a more pleaset union. Say Good-night Hillary.

Posted by: lynn | May 25, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

She is in trouble, not in this race but ever being viable for any office. Except among her rabid group, she is becoming a joke and looking insane. She will never be able to repair the damage for herself in the African American community, which she would need for a national office OR even to win back her senate seat.
She has PO’d the party, what place do you think they will give her and what respect do you think they will show when she returns to the Senate and they hand out committees and offices in January. She will be a pariah. She will be forced into a small office way out of the way and be assigned a committee that has no responsibilities and they might not even give her a leadership position on that. She has destroyed the Clinton legacy and if she isn’t careful she will just quitely fade away, popping up every so often trying to get media attention and still looking crazy because of the length she has to go to do it.

Posted by: Barb | May 25, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

You right Hillary we should have a debate except not with you rather McCain
You can go to Bosnia with your NAFTA friends and dodge sniper fire.

Posted by: Michael | May 25, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

omg what is wrong with her? i was really trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. she is trying to keep that im a fighter mantra going but she is boarderline crazy. she and bill are upset. i really hope they are ok because they are getting scary

Posted by: Allamr18 | May 25, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

Cecelia wrote: “People who are suggesting a debate at this eleventh hour are just as delusional as Hillary.”
So Univision, which asked for the debate, and the Puerto Rican people, who want their issues debated, are delusional.
I’m sure they don’t think much of you either.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

Hey, I have an idea. Why doesn’t Hillary run as McCain’s VP? He’s going to lose, but it will keep her occupied while Obama’s campaigning.

Posted by: sedonakaren | May 25, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

I suggest she should debate Bill..lol

Posted by: mohsin | May 25, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

RD: I understand youre supporting your candidate but you have to realize at least in some form or fashion that shes looking kinda desparate. i respect her campaigning but she is now pandering saying that she will get puerto ricans vote to count in the general election. i mean come on. shes going to pass a bill before shes elected assuming she wins that allows them to vote and draw up a constitution in 5 months?

Posted by: Allamr18 | May 25, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm

sdk wrote: “you know darn well who would win if Hillary ran as an Independent. She would split the vote and MCCAIN would win!”
People want her to, and she may very well win it if she did, a three way poll shows that, but she won’t. She’s a dedicated Democrat, more dedicated thatn millions who will vote candidate over Party and not for someone with associations and no record that Obama has.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm

Hey Hillary,
You lost.
Go home before someone drops a house on you.

Posted by: El Perro Patron | May 25, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

she talks of swing states, what about states Dems should win. She is polling terribly in California now and is in a statistical tie with McCain, while Obama is polling much higher. A Democrat can’t win without California. If you look at Democratic states she won early on, they have tired of her and she polls much worse now.
She is crazy, all the late night show have made a laughingstock out of her, she has become a joke, no one takes anything she says seriously.

Posted by: Alma | May 25, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm

Marty:
I will take a spineless gutless person as you claim Obama is – Over a devisive, manipulative, schemeing, irresponsible,oportunistic liar and bully any day. But based on YOUR LIE right here, I can see why you are 100% loyal to Clinton. I left because I think intefrity matters more than “winning at all costs” Clearly you dont.
Well FYI – Barack Obama will be the Democratic Nominee for POTUS whether you and the many totally biased and unreasonable, irrational, blindly self serving and irresponsible Clinton supporters like it or not. I know it isnt all of them, but a LOT of them, so committed to someone who will completely ignore them once she gets what she wants (ask any New Yorker who she claims to now represent – if you think I am kidding). If you feel like going out to vote for McCain or staying home because your Queen didnt win the Nomination, do as you feel you should…if I lived under Bush for as long as I have had to, I can do MCain -it wont be much different under McCain. But understand this – there are MANY people who will remember how she behaved this time around and are already gunning to vote her out of her senate seat, let alone the presidency of 2012. See how much support she will have against ANY other presidential nominee come 2012 – good luck with that.
Win or Lose the Presidential Race – HE WOULD HAVE STILL BEATEN HER – SUCK IT UP!

Posted by: Sick of the Rubbish | May 25, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

HRC supporters never explain how she could win the general election when she herself said she’s losing (lost) the primary because the media are against her and America is sexist. So why would any of that change in the general election? She had a choice to be a winner or a victim. She chose victim.

Posted by: Monica | May 25, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

Republican, retired Marine, Pennsylvania, gun toting, Church going blue collar white man who will be voting for Obama.
We can’t afford even one more day of Bush economics, and I mean I CAN’T literally afford it. When people go to buy home heating oil this fall, most of us have oil furnaces in the northeast, this won’t be a friendly place for Republican candidates, not to even mention the price of food.

Posted by: Frank | May 25, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

alimr wrote: “i respect her campaigning but she is now pandering saying that she will get puerto ricans vote to count in the general election. i mean come on. shes going to pass a bill before shes elected assuming she wins that allows them to vote and draw up a constitution in 5 months?”
You know that’s totally untrue, and if you don’t, explains why you’re an Obama supporter.
1) She said that the Puerto Rican people would decide for themselves with a vote, that she would work to have happen in her first term.
2) If they decided to becone a state, it would go through the process of adding a state. The first general election year would depend on how quickly the states ratified it.
3) The key was she as president was going to work to enable them to make the decision in her first term. There was nothing about this upcoming election in November.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

Stop arguing with Obamabots, people!
Get a clue!
While we Hillary supporters think she’s STILL human in spite of her steely backbone (even Johh Edwards said Hillary is made of steel), Obamabots do NOT think the Messiah has ANY human quality to IT (since the Messiah is NOT human, how do we know whether the Messiah is he, she or it?) although they are ready to kneel down and cry with rapture for a chance to kiss ITS feet (or does IT have any foot?).

Posted by: Brent | May 25, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

WestCoastMessanger, a great HillLover, we were missing you, please remember that the last three contests were won by Obama: North Carolina, Indiana (republican vote helped Hill the Bosnian General to get 2% more than Obama) and Oregan and the remaining three will be won by Obama again. Hill has to understand that there is no need for a debate anymore, everybody knows what she wants to do: bring every Puerto-Rican to the moon and give them the right to vote even if they do not want to be part of the US taxe system. God save America from Hill and her beloved friend McCain. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | May 25, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm

Say goodnight Gracie.

Posted by: philip B. Spivey | May 25, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

My comments were the ones attributed to rd comments before Inks comments I will appreciate it if this can be corrected. I think I was probably given rd’s comments while he was given mine.
Thank you.

Posted by: Inks | May 25, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

there are people who are forcibly committed who are less crazy then this woman, she isn’t fit to be a Senator let alone a President. I liked her until she went nutso, don’t know what happened, either this is the real Hillary and she was hiding it before or she has gone outhouse rat crazy.

Posted by: Babs | May 25, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

How is Hillary going to win in an independent run? Even her most ardent supporters can’t keep her campaign in the black.
The women has been in debt since Super Tuesday. All the vendors she’s jilted already certainly aren’t going to welcome here with open arms again. She’ll either have to take out a second mortgage or pay her workers in bottles of Crown Royal.
Maybe she should hire carnies to set up at all the state fairs. I haven’t been to a freak show in awhile.

Posted by: Mia | May 25, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

Why would anyone of Barack’s stature want to be on the same screen with Hillary? She’s box office poison! Say goodnight Gracie.

Posted by: Tyrdofwatin | May 25, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

50 STATES – NOT 48
Hillary WILL fight for Asians too. Which is why MOST Asians (Korean, Japanese and Chinese Americans) support Hillary.

Posted by: Brent | May 25, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

Try one of the other polls. Gallup is one of many.

Posted by: Boondock | May 25, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

one man who was delusional of a chicken is after him becuase she think he a seed, he went to see a psychiatist who is able to convince him that he okay, and he need to move on with his life. He agreed that he is getting better.. but before he leave the psychiatrist office he turned to doctor and said; but doctor who is going to convince the chicken that i’m not a seed?…
IT IS OVER.. IT IS JUST DELUSIONAL TALKS..

Posted by: mohsin | May 25, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

Give it up, Hill, you’ve self-destructed. A debate with Obama would just be a pretense that what you said in SD didn’t matter. It does.

Posted by: newddle | May 25, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

Real Clear Politics–which averages all the major polls, not just cherry-picking the ones most favorable to Clinton: Obama over McCain by 2.8%; Hillary over McCain by 1.5%. Nuff said–goodbye Hillary.

Posted by: Bakossi | May 25, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

Why should Obama have to debate Clinton when he has the party leadership in his pocket? Dean and Pelosi may as well just wear big ol’ Obama t-shirts, instead of pretending to display any kind of unbiased leadership.
I thought I would be a democrat my whole life. But after I have witnessed such poor treatment of Hillary Clinton, I am ready to bolt. Where to go?!
Maybe Hillary and Bill will form their own centrist party — a party that can win, and one that welcomes everyone, insetad of a party of pansies that pushes strong leaders out. Hillary is strong, can win, and I hope she doesn’t give up. Form your own party — I am with you! Go Hillary!

Posted by: Monique Viator | May 25, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

Greetle wrote: “I think John Edwards or even Hillary should run independantly but not push their campaigns unless Obama runs into meltdown type trouble.
They should stress to the voters that they are there as backups if the democratic nominee runs into difficulty with some smear campaign or other. That would stop the repugs from destroying Obama or whoever wins the dem ticket. They know there will be an independant backup ready and waiting to come in.”
That’s a really good idea, but you have to set up an independent candidacy by filing paperwork, and in many cases it has to be done by early June.
Some states don’t allow people who lost in primaries to run as independent. Hillary won Pennsylvania but Edwards didn’t.
All in all, the major parties set up major roadblocks for any competition with their two parties. If anyone but McCain had been the Repub nominee, I’d be hoping that a moderate third party would be set up.
No, the decision is end of August, and if there is an October surprise, if Michelle’s rant against the man is really there, it’s too late.
That’s assuming Obama’s polls stay up through the summer until the end of August and we don’t have a surprise before then.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

Also, MI and FL residents. Please pay close attention and not get fooled by HRC’s spin on words. BO is NOT to blame for what happened with your votes NOT being counted.
She signed the same pledge all other democratic nominees signed last year understanding IF the primaries were moved up to an earlier date, the votes would NOT count.
Come on, people, she is ONLY talking about disenfranchisement because she did NOT wrap up the nomination by Feb 5 (Super Tuesday) as she’d anticipated. She wants to change the rules of the game “after the fact” to benefit her ONLY. Again, how can anyone trust this woman? BO has adhered to the rules since the beginning of the dem. nomination race and is winning fairly. He does care about your vote and is interested in a fair process for FL and MI delegates being seated. Which of course is where the rules committee will decide on 5/31.
Do NOT get manipulated by HRC and her campaign. You all are all much smarter than that.
Sincerely,
A Realist who cares about our Democratic party

Posted by: Henry | May 25, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Hello Barack, It’s me… Hillary… yea, yea, fine thanks, hey listen Fox Puerto Rico is offering me 90 minutes of free prime time..yea yea thanks but they wanted me to see how you felt about it.. yea,yea thanks but I meant you joining me, you know… okay I’ll be honest. the deal sort of hinges on you showing up, you don’t have to stay long… yea thanks but I don’t want you to loan me the money to go on by myself… they pretty much insist that you… okay pal, be that way… you’re well within our sights anyway, if you catch my drift.

Posted by: kelly scott | May 25, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Sexy wrote: “How can Hillary win a general election when she can’t win the nomination? That is common sense.”
All she lost were some extra delegates thrown in from red state caucuses and black congressional districts that generated extra delegates because of their block voting.
Yes, that is the “loss” you refer to.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

The problem with your beloved Hillary running as an independant is that you assume that she has LOST HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. You believe the 17million still exists for dear ole Hillary? I have 8 friends which voted for Hillary in the early primary states…..How many will are Clintonites now? ZERO! Not only has she lost their respect, but they now see how as the narcissitic, contriving, calculating, manipulative person that she is!
Before the primaries, according to the polls, Hillary was leading by double digits in EVERY STATE…..that being said….The problem with Hillary and the REASON she would NEVER beat McCain in a GE is that….unlike Obama…..the MORE PEOPLE LEARN ABOUT HILLARY…..THE MORE THEY DISLIKE HILLARY!
If Hillary strongarms the nomination away from Obama……believe me…….there will be NO WAY IN HELL that she would EVER be PRESIDENT!…..Not in ’08, ’12, ’16……NEVER!

Posted by: Kayla | May 25, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

He can’t debate because his actions have been indefensible. He sat in that church for 20 years absorbing the anti-american, anti-white, anti-semite vile. He just sat there like a Potted Plant. That alone makes him unelectable. But oh my, there is sooo much more to come.

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | May 25, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

The problem with your beloved Hillary running as an independant is that you assume that she has NOT LOST HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of supporters!

Posted by: Kayla | May 25, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

Can’t we Democrats just all get along?

Posted by: Cocoa | May 25, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm

Hi, Cocoa. I agree and would love for us Democrats to all get along.
However, HRC supporters are very devious in their tone and opinions. It is okay for us to all have different opinions, but it is important for people to do their homework completely and look at the facts.
HRC has a lot of baggage that makes her unelectable. Again, the current (one of several) litigation Peter Paul v. Clinton is really disturbing. See for yourself at: http://www.paulvclinton.com
She sits there and preaches to the media and audiences as if she is innocent with no baggage whatsoever. I recognize that no candidate is perfect because they are all human beings that have lived. BUT one common theme that continues to emerge with her are lawsuits dealing with campaign fraud.
Again, this is really disturbing.
Had the media covered this case like they had Rev. Jeremiah Wright, many would have a more accurate picture of her. IF you ask me, she has actually gotten a free ride because this has not been covered by the media.
Don’t believe it, HRC supporters, read it for yourself:
http://www.paulvclinton.com

Posted by: Henry | May 25, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

Ahhhh…still want to debate? such a nagging woman!!!

Posted by: ablanche08 | May 25, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

BamBam don’t take the de’BAIT’. She showed her hand last week, remember?!

Posted by: knowledge_unchallenged | May 25, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

All Hillary suporters it is over
even if Florida and Michigan is counted
Jimmy Carter said June third his
superdelegates will flock to Obama
giving Obama the nomination !

Posted by: dvdpt | May 25, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

From reading the Hillary Supporters comments not only are you delusional but frightening. The fact that you are threatened by the young guy with nuance intelligence just goes to prove that your generation dropped the ball. Most of the people who support Obama are your childrens age and the fact that you feel entitled to so much, says alot about your generation and why your children are now struggling to gain a small part of the America there entitled too. You people have definitely subscribed to the Clinton Talking Points, which is an indicator of the torch passing from the mentally insane to the rational thinker. You people are sick and really need your heads examined. The truth is all around you, and to vote for McCain to spite Obama and his supporters further proves my argument. Sometimes the hardest thing to face is TRUTH and oneself, you all really need to do some soul searching and start looking to the future instead of living in the past.

Posted by: BrawnvsBrain | May 25, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

Everybody knows that whimp is terrified of a debate with Hillary.

Posted by: brigitte | May 25, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

I say Hillary should run as an independent. Obama will ruin the Democrat party anyway.

Posted by: Sluggo | May 25, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

“Obama will ruin the Democrat party anyway.”
Too late — Hillary already started it.

Posted by: HRC = McCain | May 25, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

The only paid bloggers on here are Obama-hating Republicans posing as Hillary supporters. Sad but true.

Posted by: The truth | May 25, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

Henry wrote: “Rd, help me understand your “anger” and determination and plans to turn independent.”
McCain is closer to what working people want than Obama. Obama is a never choice for any patriotic American. He’s a Marxist choice, a Hamas choice, a Black Liberation Theology choice, a latte liberal choice, but not a choice of working class America.
Then there’s the comomg october shock of Michelle ranting about you know who, and the Ayers-Hamas-Obama connection will be fully explored by 527′s with unabashed enthusiasm, along with Ayers trampling on the American flag and wishing he could have bombed more, and Obama and him sending money to Hamas.
By the time the Repub’s are done most American’s would feel dirty and unpatriotic to even think about voting for Obama and his Marxist and Rezko corruption associations.
And of course we haven’t seen the last of GD America Wright jumping up and down gleefully after 9/11.
Not to mention we’ll hear more about Sinclair and cocaine and gay sex in 1999 with Obama. 527′s have no shame, but Obama will have to address it.
You are probably too young to have lived through Carter’s disaster and the resulting Reagan Democrats. That’s ok. You’re about to relive history if the SD’s choose Obama.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

Obama is correct to ignore Hillary’s pathetic request for a debate. Game over, Hillary!!
At this point, a vote for Hillary is like a vote for Norma Desmond.
“I am big. It’s the pictures that got small.” – Norma Desmond, “Sunset Boulevard”

Posted by: Robert of Baltimore | May 25, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

That traitor McCain flip-flopped on immigration again! I guess I’ll be voting for Bob Barr. Who needs government anyway?

Posted by: Ron Paul2 | May 25, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

Henry wrote: “Are you saying that you want the rules to be changed after-the-fact to benefit HRC? IF this is what you are saying, “Why?”"
To a degree I am. I want the Florida and Michigan delegations to be seated as voted or a revote. Both have upcoming primaries and a revote could be done in both states.
Hillary pledged not to campaign in those states, and she didn’t. I live in Florida, and Obama ran ads here on cable tv. Hillary didn’t.
Obama took his name off the Michigan ballot to impress Iowa and New Hampshire, and he did, and pushed Michigan supporters to vote Uncommitted. Hillary did not campaign in Michigan.
So the FL and MI states got the message about moving their votes up, they only got slight attention from Obama and none from Hillary, and now it’s time to seat the delegates as both Hillary and Obama have told them they will.
The delegates to win is 2210, and neither candidate has it.
In that case, the SD’s job is to decide the best candidate to win the White House. They were specifically set up because of McGovern in ’72.
McGovern was another anti-war, college students and professors and latte liberals loved left winger.
He won one state.
Carter was another Obama, facing an old Republican named Reagan.
He won six states.
The SD’s can make follow the rules and make their choice, ut if they’re lousy electoral counters Obama will come somewhere in between Carter or McGovern and Mondale or Dukakis.
And either way, the Democratic Party is split between Chicago radicals and working class people, so I know longer expect the Democratic Party to be any more viable than a third party Socialist Party.
Which is better than the Communist Party, I guess.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

Never said you weren’t. It does tell a story about you.

Posted by: Sluggo | May 25, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

Rd:
Since you want to raise Ayers, do NOT forget about the Clintons’ ties to two former Weather Undergrounds members. Also, why do HRC supporters keep talking about the October shock? Has HRC fed the GOP something to use against BO in October?
All that I can do is pray for all of this hatred to dissipate. This is well expected to come from the GOP, but to come from within our own party to use against our party nominees is really disheartening.
While I don’t agree with your response, I do appreciate your responding. Thanks, Rd.

Posted by: Henry | May 25, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

As excited as I was early on at the prospect of having a woman President, it is with great sadness that I’ve realized the she’s the wrong one. Girls, we can do better than this. Hillary is scary. She’s Lady MacBethian. She’s manipulative and phoney and mean enough to put out a hit on anybody who gets in her way. She’s smart as a whip and as amoral as a snake.

Posted by: white GA grandma | May 25, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

Only 49 delegates to go!!!!!!!
Barack Obama has picked up three superdelegate votes from Hawai’i.
Hawai’i Democrats selected three Obama supporters to fill its remaining superdelegate slots at their state convention Sunday, including the new chair and vice chair of the party.
Chairman Brian Schatz and vice chairwoman Kari Luna say they will support Obama at the national convention. State Democrats chose retired Judge James Burns, also an Obama supporter, as the final superdelegate.
The three Obama supporters are among the state’s nine superdelegates, only two of whom support Obama’s rival Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Among Hawai’i’s pledged delegates, Obama leads Clinton 14-6.

Posted by: Liz Trotta | May 25, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

49 to go? Only if you don’t count Florida or Michigan.

Posted by: Sluggo | May 25, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

Henry wrote: “I’m honestly trying to understand your rationale. She is NOT entitled to be the nominee. Realistically, BO laid out a long-term strategy and her campaign laid out a short-term (thru Super Tuesday in Feb.).”
Everyone of the professionals believed the winner would be determined by Super Tuesday. That’s all the talking heads talked about. That’s what they said day in and day out.
Obama got extra delegates from ultra-liberals in red state caucuses and extra delegates from 92% voting from black concentrations in certain congressional districts. if you want to call that a “long-term strategy” that’s your perogative. You can keep it if you want the Chicago radicals to be your standard bearers from now on.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 25, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

Rd, okay, we just have different perspectives.
HRC did NOT consider caucus states as important and did NOT consider them as part of her “big picture” strategy. In fact, read recently where her former head strategist Penn thought the states were winner take all like the GOP’s.
You’re right, it is my perogative. But I respect your opinion and will not criticize it, so will appreciate the same. I’m for our party. IF HRC wins honestly, then I’ll support her 100%, but I will NOT support underhanded, devious, dishonest tactics, which she has displayed for months now. Remember, I was a former HRC supporter for many years. She turned me off from backing her, NOT BO. I can NOT stomach her constantly trying to change the rules and lying to us proud Americans. It is as if she thinks we are all stupid and I find that very condescending.
Again, thanks, Rd for your response.

Posted by: Henry | May 25, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm

So…now she’s from Puerto Rico? Wait, I though she was from Scranton, PA? Or was it New York? Or Ohio?
She needs to stop. She is embarrassing herself, embarrassing the Clinton name, embarrassing women. The United States has already suffered through eight years of an embarrassing President.
She needs to stop already and let a President we can be proud of, who calls upon us to serve our country in a deeply touching and dignified manner, get on with defeating John W. McBush, another embarrassing candidate.

Posted by: Joan | May 25, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

Rd, once again, thanks for answering my question.
BUT, let me say that HRC has NOT really been vetted since leaving the WH. There’s alot out there on her since she left the WH that has NOT been discussed by the media, which means the 527s and GOP plan to unleash it later (if she’s the nominee).
Let me add that someone in an earlier blog, do not recall their name, mentioned that BO is anti-white. That is so untrue. He is a proud bi-racial American, who speaks highly of his white mother who died some years ago from cancer. That’s what makes that statement so irrational—-why would he hate who he is, he is half white and half African American.

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am

Hillary Clinto has divided the country in every possible way, first bill started the race issue, then she said barack cannot win the white votes, and now she is blaming people of sexism.
I am really ashamed as a women to see how Hillary is behaving. shame on you Hillary Desperate Clinton!

Posted by: Amira | May 26, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am

22 debates, over 30 states and three territories won by Obama, and she goes on and on. Univision is owned by the same guy who tried to bribe the superdelegates from Young Democrats of America, offering them $1million for their vote for Hillary. The guy is Haim Saban, who says his one and only issue, for which he donated up to $7million at a time to the DNC when Bill was president, is Israel – not America, Israel. That is who owns Univision and wants to give Hillary free TV time with Latinos. Saban does not care about Latinos, or about Americans of English never mind the Spanish persuasion. We Latinos are nothing but a “market” to Saban’s Univision, and nothing but pawns to the Clintons. All of a sudden they want to give PR the right to vote for President, and never did anything to make it so for 8 yrs or Hillary’s 2 terms in the Senate? Puh-lease!

Posted by: HilLost2Bad | May 26, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am

When I had learned of Hillary’s
assassination comment, thoughts
of Karma ran through my mind.
There is an old saying, that goes:
“May the hole you dig for me,
be the hole you fall in”

Posted by: John | May 26, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am

if she would just leave the campaign baracks numbers will go way up…but wait a minute…give everything a couple days to digest and her numbers are gonna go rock bottom!! not to mention, but it is only may…

Posted by: BO | May 26, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am

Why should he debate with you, Hillary? You are not a candidate. And did you see how well he did on the recent Ohio and California polls? What happened to your Hispanic supporters and your little old ladies? Have they decided to go with the people’s choice?

Posted by: Passin Thru | May 26, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

thanks rd – i’m from kansas and while we are pretty much a non-issue in the big picture the last democrat we voted for was in 1960, but right now there are a lot of voters that are really upset with mccain over boeing losing the tanker deal. it could change the map a little.

Posted by: fivepin | May 26, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am

just give it a few days….after what she has done, her numbers at the poll are gonna hit rock bottom!! not to mention it is only may! give me a break!!

Posted by: BO | May 26, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am

Nicholas, read the latest polls on California and Ohio. He got both.

Posted by: Passin Thru | May 26, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am

No matter who runs (and it will be Obama) the democrats will win. There are now so many more democrats than republicans that it would take some sort of miracle for McCain to be elected. Add to that the revulsion for the Iraqi war, or any war…..

Posted by: Passin Thru | May 26, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

wow henry – it’s like too many people are having “did i say that out loud”? moments.

Posted by: fivepin | May 26, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am

She should just wrap things up and save her last shred of dignity so that we can have a unified Democratic party under Obama.
This country needs the type of change that Obama will bring to Washington.
Republicans have done so more damage to our country in the past 8 years that we cannont afford another 4 years of MCain.

Posted by: Man266 | May 26, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

Hillary isn’t vetted. As a matter of fact one of the reason’s she needs to win is so they aren’t in prison next year from their international money deals and breaking numerous campaign laws. Maybe if Obama promised to pardon them they would go away.
The Republicans were waiting for Hillary because they had the evidence on her passing bills that aided the countries and individuals who were paying Bill 100s of millions personally and to his library and foundation. The FBI is investigating some of these issues.

Posted by: Sam | May 26, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am

Rd,
BO is NOT tied to Farrakhan. In fact, rather, Hillary’s supporter Ed Rendell awarded Farrakhan a few years ago for some work he’d done in PA. There is even a video clip of him granting Farrakhan this award and hugging him for a photo op. BO rejected Farrakhan’s endorsement immediately. Interesting how HRC did NOT mention this during the debate, instead, she tried linking BO to Farrakhan. But many people know the real deal on this anyway.
As a white American, I am saddened by all of the prejudice in our world and as displayed in this blogosphere….it is just sad.

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am

Sexy wrote: “rd, if that tape existed, Hillary would have used it before the GOP.”
You are not only wrong, but have no clue. Hillary has not participated in any personal issues of Obama’s.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 26, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am

BKMC,
Winner? Really? Does Barack Obama have 2029 votes? I don’t think so. He hasn’t been able to close the deal. Polls shows that Bosnian General Hillary wins the electoral map, but SweetieGate Obama loses. Why would you want to put up a candidate that is destined to lose. Makes no sense to me.
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Hillary in ’08 or ’12. The lower the year the higher the IQ of the Democratic Party
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 26, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am

This shows Hillary’s greed and hatefulness. SHe doesn’t care about anything but herself, which she has proven time and again. She would rather the horror of Bush/McCain to continue, hurtung the country, her party and the people she claims to care about because she can’t admit she lost and help the Democrats win in November.
Well she has ruined herself, we won’t forget what she did and the African American community are growing more incensed by the day. She will NEVER win a national election, she may not win reelection to the Senate. It is impossible for her to win a national election. She has burned too many bridges, so don’t come back in 2012 begging for us to support her, she will never win.
Her legacy will be one of a racist, bitter, spiteful, crazy witch….

Posted by: amy carter | May 26, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am

Sam, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are right on and for some reason, these litigations are being ignored.
I am so sick and tired of people saying HRC has been vetted!!!!!!!!!!! She has NOT been vetted since leaving the WH. The judge granted her an extension until after the November election to provide sworn testimony in the Peter Paul v. Clinton case.
I am sooooooo baffled how people can continue to make excuses and continue supporting with so many litigations currently going on with her.

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am

Hillary lost…… just too stupid to realize it I guess.

Posted by: Boston | May 26, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am

rd–
You lie. Hillary has jumped on every controversy that has come up about Obama. her supporters are the one’s who sent out the lying e-mail that he was muslim.
Obama has taken the high road and has not drug any of the bodies out of her closet and God knows there are many.
If she steals this nomination, the vast right wing conspiracy that she has embraced will eat her alive. They know everything there is to know and they will expose it to the light of day.
She and Bill are two of the dirtiest politicians to ever disgrace this country.

Posted by: GET THE HOOK | May 26, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am

West Coast Messenger:
It is 2026 NOT 2029.

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am

Thinking,
About that popular vote, take a look at the politics tab on ABC News. I think it’s clear. Shows Hillary a couple of hundred thousand ahead when you count all Democratic voters. By excluding two states of voters it shows Obama ahead by a couple of hundred thousand. This is really about whether the Obama campaign plans to disenfranchise two states because the “so-called rules” dictated by the DNC are more important than Democracy. Frankly, I don’t think the Obama campaign is representative of Democracy in any form.
So that being said, I plan to vote for Obama during the General Caucus in November. Can someone please tell me where I need to go to participate in that Caucus.
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Obama, still can’t close the deal.
Obama Zombie supporters want any female candidates to quit the race before it’s over. What’s up with that Zombies!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 26, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am

Sexy, you’re right, HRC was behind the Rev. Wright story. I’d always suspected it, but heard Hannity mention it one night on his show. Also, worth mentioning, when Rev. Wright made his world-wind weekend tour back in April, which began on 4/25, that was the exact date the judge granted her an extension in the Peter Paul v. Clinton lawsuit (until November to provide sworn testimony). By the media focusing on Rev. Wright, there was NO mention or media coverage on that lawsuit against the Clintons and that judges interim decision. Not sure if this part is true, but heard that the judge in the case was appointed by Clinton back when he was Pres.

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am

Obama Zombie supporters?? Are you saying Obama is a Zombie or his supporters? I keep reading how Obama won’t get Hillary’s votes because his supporters are so mean. I think both sides have been unreasonable to a point.

Posted by: fivepin | May 26, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am

fivepin wrote: ” it could change the map a little.”
Yes, haven’t heard of Kansas being in play, even though his mother was born there, but he’s supposed to have a chance with Colorado.
Problem with McCain and Hillary is they’ve done a lot and taken stands to try to splve problems, and Obama hasn’t been around very long and soesn’t have any stands.
Which is calculated like a true bend with the wind politician not to tick anyone off.
I have no interest in finding out what he will do agter he is president. I know what McCain and Hillary will do. Some people don’t like their records, but they have records.
Anti-war people of course like Obama’s one anti-war speech. Doesn’t take much when you avoid having a record, like skipping votes.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 26, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am

Passin thru and Sexy.
————————–
It’s all about the “electoral college”
OR the 270 electoral votes.
You mention,california and ohio.
California is a blue state but the governor is republican.
Ohio is a toss-up OR swing state.
Kerry lost Ohio in ’04.
What makes you believe the democrats
this time will carry Ohio.
What about Pennsylvania another swing
state.
General elections are a different ballgame.

Posted by: Nicholas | May 26, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

Henry,
Actually it’s 2209 when Florida and Michigan are included, as the rules committee will come to their senses and decide to include those two states. Then it will be up to the credentials cmmittee in the apportionment. The Obama campaign has successfully turned this nominating process into the equivalent of a third world election.
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Obama and BitterGate, we shall not forget!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 26, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

What some of her supporters don’t realize because they are in denial is how can she win? IF she did somehow win it would be seen as she stole the nomination by Obama supporters, she would get few votes from them. Her unfavorable numbers with Republicans is like 78% and with Inds it is over 70%. How is she going to win with 25% of the GE vote? The polls now are with Obama supporters saying they would vote for Hillary, but if they felt that she stole the nomination they would turn against her.
She lost the Nomination AND there is no way she can win the GE. Heck she is within the margin of error in CA against McCain. And not only that but why are we even talking about polls? If we were going to decide it on polls why have a primary process where the goal it to win delegates?

Posted by: Sam | May 26, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am

West Coast Messenger:
Last and final comment to you, “NO, she can not close the deal.”
She’s the one that began w/plenty of funds, name recognition, husband as a former Pres., she as a former first lady. With all of these advantages considering BO was an unknown, she has NOT been able to close the deal. Let’s frame this message correctly. Do HRC supporters ever get tired of spinning everything? And again, you are talking to a former HRC supporter. Just can NOT stomach all of the untruths any longer.

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am

He Jozy,
You referred pejoratively to Hillary’s “clan”. Sounds like a bit of race baiting to me. Hillary’s so-called “clan” has more people in it than in Obama’s “clan” if you take a look at the counts on ABC News Politics tab. The fact is more people have pulled the lever for Hillary than Obama whether or not they will be counted. I’m sure you don’t need the votes of her “clan”, though, you can Obama can do fine without it. We’ll see.
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Obama represents the abandonment of the working class!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 26, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am

Latest polls show Obama beating McCain in PA.

Posted by: PA white dude | May 26, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am

Jack Smith,
Latest polls show that with time Hillary continues to become less and less electable.

Posted by: man266 | May 26, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

West Coast Messenger:
Once the Dem. Rules Committee determines how to handle FL and MI, will determine how the number changes from 2026. As of today, the DNC says it is 2026.
BO DID NOT create this FL and MI situation, so be real and STOP blaming him and mis-informing the public. People are tired of being lied to and given HRC spin. For once, let’s be honest based on today’s DNC rules. Remember, HRC agreed to the same rules as all other Dem. candidates at the beginning of the race.

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

uh, hello, sexy and henry. It doesn’t take anyone to be behind something to buy the church tapes and look at them. That’s what Hannity did.
To blame that on Hillary is par for the Obama course, but not true.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 26, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am

Rd, like I said, I heard Hannity mention one night one of his programs that it was HRC that kept feeding him the tapes. I’m NOT speculating or trying to point fingers, I heard it directly from Hannity himself. And, realistically, this is a typical HRC tactic….nothing astonishing here.

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am

You can’t pick a candidate by how they run in a paticualr state during the primary. Bill lost states during the primaries he later won during the general.
And things change, the more Hillary is around the lower her numbers go. The longer Obama is around he usually improves his numbers. Hillary would motivate the Republican base which at present isn’t excited about McCain.
To look at cherry picked polls, while ignoring polls we don’t like and electoral college maps created by Karl Rove 6 months out as evidence to overturn a democratic election is insane

Posted by: Brian | May 26, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am

henry, you know good and well Hannity didn’t say that. The tapes are for sale by the church, or were.
but you get last word. It was enlightening to exchange views with you. Obama has a good supporter in you.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | May 26, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am

My comment: It’s time for everyone to stop commenting now. She’s is taking away from all of our collective energy. Please drop out HRC before that collective laugh is heard too loudly.

Posted by: barbara miller | May 26, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am

GOD, Now she wants another debate? Too late, the time has passed and it’s time for Hillary to put her pantsuits into mothballs, because this Dem Race is over. Hillary tried to win, they didn’t, end of story–she lost to Obama and that’s that–he defeated her fairly and squarely.

Posted by: Vonetta_C | May 26, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am

Hi, Amira.
I agree with you. That’s another important attribute about BO—he understands people’s cultural differences just from proudly being of two races. He speaks highly of his late mother for whom he had great respect. Thanks for raising this again. I raised it earlier to explain to people that it is ridiculous to say he is “anti-white” which someone had incorrectly said earlier.

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am

Sexy.
Personal speaking….i care less about
Hillary,Obama or McCain.I don’t like
none of the above.
But one is going to win in november.
If you check past elections NO left wing liberal ever won the white house.
Always after the democratic convention
the nominee is ahead of the republicans
at least 15 points but in november
always the republicans prevail.
The republican political machine is ready to pull any dirt on TV 24/7.
Do you remember Kerry’s swiftboaters??
This time it will be worst.

Posted by: Nicholas | May 26, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

Hillary actually believes she is still in the race. Please. The train has left the station Hillary and you’re still standing on the platform waiting for it to come.
Get over it. You lost. Time to come out of denial.

Posted by: lashley | May 26, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am

Some cold hard facts:
Obama is the nominee. Nothing that is currently out there will change that.
Obama will have won the popular vote of the contests that have a role in electing the president in November. The super delegates will NOT be persuaded by a Puerto Rico vote total that puts HRC “over the top.”
Michigan and Florida will be seated at the convention even though they shouldn’t be. Breaking rules must have consequences, but in true Clinton fashion those consequences must be waived. Sadly, they will be waived, but it won’t do her any good.
Hillary’s behavior over the past few weeks have ruled her out of VP consideration. The phony “sexism” charge has been tolerated because Obama wants her to go out gracefully without unecessary bickering.
Obama can win “the big states” as current polling shows.
Those who claim that they won’t vote for the candidate who agrees with them on the issues are foolish and sore losers. Thankfully most will come around by November. Hillary supporters have no grounds to claim that the election was stolen from them. HRC lost the number of contests held, the pledged delegates and the popular vote.
Hillary Clinton started this campaign as the presumptive nominee. Through gross incompetence on her part and skillful campaigning on Obama’s part, she will NOT be the nominee. Blaming Obama for Michigan, Florida, and her failure is totally unreasonable.

Posted by: Rick | May 26, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am

Thanks, Rick. Well said….I agree.

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

I am a republican and I think either one should of beaten McCain this year. But with Hillary going insane I would now give the edge to McCain.
With the economy, and it is going to get worse, gas will be higher, I think there will be people who won’t be able to afford heat this winter, food prices increasing…. a Democrat should of won… easily.
I think this will destroy Hillary, Obama has a chance to recover he has a long time and McCain or his VP will get credit when the economy turns around (hopefully) and they will win a second term.
As for Democrats, I think Edwards put himself in a perfect place. He is seen as Presidential, putting the party first and endeared himself to the white working class and the black community.
No matter who you support, you CAN NOT say Hillary has looked Presidential, the people on SNL and MAD TV making fun of her look more sane then she is coming across lately.

Posted by: Melvin | May 26, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am

Hillary is a master-debater since Bill ignored her.

Posted by: Maxx | May 26, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am

I always though Hillary was a cunning linguist……

Posted by: Boo | May 26, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am

Kim, to ensure the legitimacy of what you are sending us, please provide me the reference/source of it so that I can check out its authenticity.
Also, the link does not work.
I am sick and tired of fabricated links circulating the web. Again, please provide the source. BO is a proud bi-racial American who is proud of his white and African American heritage. So what exactly are you sharing with us?

Posted by: henry | May 26, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am

Sexy.
I’m independent.
I vote for a candidate NOT a party.
Both parties are corrupt.
I don’t like NONE.[Hillary OR Obama OR
McCain].
All of the above are opportunists.
They like to seige the power in U.S
to impose their agenda.

Posted by: Nicholas | May 26, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am

Obama should pick Hillary as his VP. McCain should pick Laura Bush as his VP. That way if something happens to Obama or McCain, we can all enjoy eight more years of the Clintons or the Bushes. Now won’t that be dandy.

Posted by: skyreader7 | May 26, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am

Like someone said a while back, in the north east we use home heating oil for heat. It is being reported it will be over $5 a gallon, even last year it wasn’t half of that. I am afraid we will actually be having elderly and the poor freezing to death on a relatively large scale, it will be after the election so it may not have much of an impact. What has happened to this country?

Posted by: Mike | May 26, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am

My pledge to the DNC:
I will vote straight party republican if Hillary is any where on the ticket or I hear her cackle on election day.

Posted by: Amy | May 26, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am

Sexy.
I like very much the tone of your
language this time.
Your opinion is very clear and your
language very polite compare to your previous post.
I respect your opinion and it does
make sense.
You’re right about the economy,war,employment,health care etc.but as you
see the american people voting
republican every 4 years.
Have you ask yourself a simple
question…..WHY??????.
The only answer i got myself is because
the democrats nominate the wrong candidate everytime.
Please lt me know if you have a better
answer.

Posted by: Nicholas | May 26, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am

I am disgusted at the campaign she has run. I have always voted for the Clintons but not this time, if for no other reason then to teach my children that you don’t reward evil deeds.
I am a Christian and Obama is actually getting some interest in our community, it may be enough to hurt McCain. One reason is we are sick of the evil attacks like the 527s and the Clinton camp put out. I think, depending on how it all plays out, Obama could surprise some people in communities not expected. I think times may be changing, and people are sick of the old divisive politics.

Posted by: Mildred | May 26, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am

It is true the Democrats almost always lose the Presidential race….. except when there is a backlash.
Bill CLinton won because the country was mad at George H.W. (read my lips no new taxes) and it was a 3 person race. He won with like 43% of the vote, he lost the white vote and only won because of an overwhelming black support. (I bet Obama gets more then 43% of the vote lol, which means he is more popular then Bill and if he is more popular then Bill then they should take the election away from McCain and give it to Obama… because he is clearly the best person for the job)
This year people may be angry enough again to elect a Democrat, no matter who is running.

Posted by: mickey | May 26, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am

It is kind of outrageous that Hillary supporters are threatening to vote for NeoCon Anti-Choice John McCain. And they try to say that Obama supporters were “Cultists”. Ha!
Considering that they, Hillary supporters are responding in polls that they will vote for McCain over Obama is why the polls are coming out skewed.
Furthermore, Hillary has yet to be attacked by either the Republicans or Obama. In fact, Obama, unlike Hillary had the good sense not to attack another Democrat.
If Obama was the low life that Hillary has shown herself to be, he could have easily torn her apart. He chose to be better than that, and that is why he has my respect, while Hillary only earned my ire.

Posted by: Norman Hernandez | May 26, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am

WOW Hills is getting sadded with each passing day. It is such a shame…

Posted by: DemsUnited | May 26, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am

I agree,the democrats do not have the
right leaders.
The democrats must stop suppotring all
the ill social issues you mention
above and start paying attention on most
important issues as the economy,war,health care,wages,education
jobs and economic prosperity for all
citizens.
Also i agree with you about the republicans.They know how to manipulate
the system.
Democrats must change the platform of
the party on several issues such as the
right to bear arms,death penalty,abortion etc.
They must move to the center or to the
right in certain issues in order to win
the elections.

Posted by: Nicholas | May 26, 2008, 3:13 am 3:13 am

I hate all this hate!
We’re in the same boat. Its up to us to change course, not just the leaders we elect.
Clinton supporters, please take an honest rather than an angry look at Obama. He didn’t lie or cheat to beat Clinton. He’s smart, articulate, a good organizer, a Democrat, and is trying to run a fair campaign.
Its a very close race, but Obama’s actually a little ahead in the popular vote if you include all 50 states, and don’t give him 0 for Michigan, a state which favors him in the polls.

Posted by: Ann | May 26, 2008, 3:16 am 3:16 am

IT IS OVER AND THERE IS NO MORE DEBATE.
I GUESS SHE MIGHT HAVE BEEN DREAMING.

Posted by: I.A. SMITH | May 26, 2008, 3:41 am 3:41 am

Hillary is getting loonier with each passing day. It has become a said Greek Tragedy. Hillary is a politician for whom I once had the utmost respect. Watching her and her campaign this year has been like watching a mighty Giant fall.
It is both amazing and tragic. As each day goes by, she edges more and more to the edges of sanity as she comes to the realization that she will not be President because she allowed a newbie Junior Senator from Illinois to take the nomination from her. It really is quite sad.

Posted by: DemsUnited | May 26, 2008, 3:53 am 3:53 am

This hurts to watch.

Posted by: Suedehead | May 26, 2008, 4:22 am 4:22 am

Message to Hillary: They’re just not that into you.

Posted by: BillyBudd | May 26, 2008, 4:23 am 4:23 am

This woman is the quintessential sore loser. Before you know it, she’ll be complaining about a vast left-wing conspiracy plotting to bring here down. I use to love her but now I just pity her.

Posted by: Rialb58 | May 26, 2008, 4:27 am 4:27 am

Why would he debate her now with just 3 primaries to go. She’s just trying to put herself back into being a serious candidate because when left alone she makes it hard for the media to cover her knowing she has no chance to clasp the nomination. Go back to the senate.

Posted by: DEBROAH | May 26, 2008, 4:40 am 4:40 am

where I’m from, accepting an invitation to dinner is not the same as begging to have dinner …
“I was informed that Univision will sponsor a debate between Sen. Obama and myself about the issues affecting Puerto Rico,” Clinton said. “I accept that invitation. Anytime, anywhere.”

Posted by: PTB | May 26, 2008, 6:35 am 6:35 am

Obama needs to debate, but not with Hillary. She’s yesterday’s news, and only the Clintons refuse to recognize this. Obama needs to debate McCain so that the voters can see the wide differences on their positions. Let’s ignore this harpie and maybe she will finally get the message.

Posted by: Bobbie | May 26, 2008, 6:40 am 6:40 am

Even if Hillary wins 100% of all the remaining elected delegates, she still needs 80% of the Superdelagates. SHE CANNOT WIN. All this debate can do is damage the eventual nominee.

Posted by: dutchy | May 26, 2008, 6:40 am 6:40 am

Obama can not handle debates.
He gets flusters and falls apart.
He has to have a straight scripted talking platform, as a preset designed speech.
Other wise he makes himself look like the idiot he is.
He is to the point of where he has said so many lies, he can not keep the straight.
Obama is loose.
If you Love this country, Want to keep it free, Please vote for anyone other than Obama.

Posted by: seah | May 26, 2008, 7:20 am 7:20 am

For the Clintons, this race has always been about the Clintons and them returning to the White House for another 8 years.
There is a saying here in Washington among Democrats that the Clintons are always there when they need you. That sums it up well.

Posted by: Ivan | May 26, 2008, 7:23 am 7:23 am

Hillary Clinton has worked for the Democratic party for more than 35 years, she wants to be President as a Democrate and there is no chances she will run as an independent. So stop saying that!
Clinton supports the party nominee, and she goes on to help the party do an informed decision. A very close race has to be played out, no matter what Obama says. Let people vote! Let the votes count! Superdelegates should then take their time and select from strength who has the better chance, and not sell the presidency to lobbyist who package their shortcomings in a nice easy narrative.
Universal healthcare is not easy, it requires political willpower. Selling out 15 million people to pocket a money momentum will not save Obama from loosing to the War-industry come November.
Hillary 08!

Posted by: scabo | May 26, 2008, 7:38 am 7:38 am

Just what the American votes want. Another meaningless boring debate.

Posted by: Tom Guba | May 26, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am

What are we going to debate how she lost the race.

Posted by: Michael | May 26, 2008, 8:02 am 8:02 am

I don’t know what polls some of you are citing. The general election polls I’ve seen are all over the place. It’s May and way too early for these polls to have any meaning. I think that those of you who see Clinton winning in November are swigging the kool aid that Obama supporters are so frequently accused of sipping.
Obama’s been a gentleman in terms of not dredging up the sleaze and psychodramas of the Clinton presidency. Do you think that the Republicans and their 527′s will be as charitable? Obama’s refrained from calling her a liar. Do you think they will? (particularly given the fact that six out of ten voters find her “untrustworthy and untruthful”) Her Bosnian b.s. alone is worth a string of great attack ads on her “character.” All the old slop from the Clinton White House will be back on the table along with whatever new slop she and Bubba’s have managed to involve themselves in since 2000.
Finally. the religious right is currently ambivalent about McCain. Fairly or not, the one sure means of getting them fired up and voting is the idea of Hillary Clinton as President. If I were John McCain, I’d be praying daily that the Democrats are silly enough to nominate her.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | May 26, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am

How is that the “presumptive” nominee BHO is fairly so badly in the lastest Newsweek survey ?
“In a new NEWSWEEK Poll of registered voters, Obama trails presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain 40 percent to 52 percent among whites. Sen. Hillary Clinton, Obama’s challenger for the Democratic nomination, also trails McCain among white voters but by a smaller margin, 44 percent to 48 percent.
Among voters overall, however, Obama fares better, tying McCain 46 percent to 46 percent in a hypothetical match-up. (That’s down slightly, within the margin of error, from the last NEWSWEEK Poll, conducted in late April, in which Obama led McCain 47 percent to 44 percent).
Clinton fares slightly better against McCain: 48 percent to 44 percent (within the margin of error).

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am

If you monitor the debates going on in CNN, MSNBC, FOX and ABC and other non-maintsream blogsphere, it is sizzling with emotional discourse on RACE,GENDER, RELIGIOUS DIVIDE.
The more points each side makes, the more entrenched the positions have becomes…. the spectrum of views have polarized, not converge.
The nation is not more unified after the primary is over….
The poll in Newsweek, in my view, reflects the polarization of views….folks are digging in.
The great unifier and the orchestrator behind the BHO campaign is not unifying….the likes of Jimmy Carter is (sort of) endorsing without endorsing, much like he negotiate with HAMAS without negotiating with them.
The numbers are sad but true.

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am

lv, …wow…I believe your list…you might as well put BHO on your list dated June 3rd, 2008

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am

…but then again, this is America…we always come out of a crisis like GE 2008 stronger :)

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am

It would be better if Hillary concentrated on paying all the small businesses she owes money to instead of creating forums to say how much she wants to help small businesses.

Posted by: laurie | May 26, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am

She complained Obama was whining and her words were:
IF YOU CANT TAKE THE HEAT GET OUT OF THE KITCKEN now she must take her own acvice.

Posted by: lv | May 26, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am

Hillary has gone insane !!!
She’s calling for a primary debate when the general election has already kicked off.

Posted by: Geldo | May 26, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am

changing the rules daily
==============================
Well said. Those are symptoms of desperation turning to insanity.

Posted by: Geldo | May 26, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am

LOST SHEEP: I hear you!
I swear Barack could be taking the Presidential oath of office and Clinton’s supporters would STILL say she has a chance.
(And Hillary would still be running around frantically with her eyes glazed over trying to find superdelegates)

Posted by: Madison | May 26, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am

In this Memorial Day, May God bless America that the nation shall be governed by judicial rules and humanitarian law, with freedom and prosperity; but not with twisted logic and imaginary math.

Posted by: mampang | May 26, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

Phoenix Mars Lander should have taken Clinton and her supporters along.
They live and belong in a different world.

Posted by: Geldo | May 26, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am

Another debate? Smart move! But Obama is not stupid to fall into her trap! He has already practically won the primary, while she has losed. To have another debate, the loser has nothing to lose. Hmnnn…

Posted by: mampang | May 26, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am

Hillary, um, yah…like I know your this inevitable President and all, but I didn’t realize that our services were considered a campaign contribution.
And I know that you Presidential types may not have to pay your own bills, um, I do.
I hate to ask, but do you think you might pay me before “lending” yourself any more money?
You’ve got millions, but I don’t. And I like to pay MY bills.

Posted by: Hard Working Americans | May 26, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

Debate about what? They have debated so many times and the result? Obama has won more delegates, caucauses and popular vote(minus Florida/Michigan) and we know the story behing that..so why another debate? About what? This I do know..If Obama does not ask Hillary to be the veep in November..he is going to lose in the general.. because all the crazies so called Hillary democrats are going to vote for “McRain”..with that guy as president it will rain thunder and brimstone on the economy..he already says that he does not know much about the economy. I think Obama/Clinton ticket is unbeatable in November. Democrats 08!

Posted by: Earl | May 26, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

WhatAboutThis ============
You need a reality check.

Posted by: Geldo | May 26, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am

Whataboutthis: Dream on! Dream on! Its over for Hillary..and I am not an Obama groupie either..I like them both..I am democrat and decided to vote only in the General election for whomever the nominee is..but the fact is..there is not way that Hillary can overcome her deficit now..All you Hillary dreamers out there are living in la la land..get over it..she ran a bad campaign and underestimated Obama because she thought that she had this thing wrapped up..Obama ran a much better coordinated campaign..its as simple as that…she lost..get over it..roll up your sleeve and help the dems win in November..An Obama/Hillary ticket is the only road to victory..pure and simple! Dems 08

Posted by: Earl | May 26, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am

there is no reason to debate theloser of the primary it s on to mc bush and then to wh

Posted by: show me | May 26, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am

SOPHIA BECK
Debate? Debate on what? What pantsuit she should wear or the date she should close down her campaign shop? This is seemingly becoming more ridiculous from her campaign side. I believe she is a very articulate and bright person, tell me why she is behaving this way? It makes no sense to me! Here is a good example of her not being capable of running our country- She doesn’t know how to choose the battles-or slow down and evaluate what is going on-She is running on reaction and isn’t that precisely what has happened with the Bush and the republicans? Look where that has gotten us-
I totally agree with you on this but I think she is staying in the race because DNC rules allow her to continue to solicit and collect donations indefinitely if she stays til June 3 otherwise she cannot collect donations and she is $20 million or so in debt.

Posted by: roger in VA | May 26, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

So Senator Clinton… You hadn’t figured out the needs of Puerto Rico while your husband was president for 8 years. You have been their senator for how long… Where is the legislation you introduced to make them a state.
I know pandering when it comes from your mouth.
I won’t even waste time on the debate request. Go debate yourself.

Posted by: ct mom | May 26, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

csquan and Brent ========
The name “timothy Mcveigh” sounded good to all of us.
But he went on to kill 168 americans in Oklahoma city.
Why are you so obsessed with names instead of deeds ?

Posted by: Geldo | May 26, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

WhatAboutThis, Be for real man! why do you keep on dreaming?..who is serving spiked koolaid out there?..Hillary has lost..get over it bro! I really don’t care who is on the top of the ticket..I think both Barack and Hillary are capable of running this country after George Bush’s incompetence..but the fact is and even the blind can see..its over for Hillary..close your eyes and shout it out about five times..it may sink in..its over!finish!caput! for Hillary..she is aware of that..but as an earlier blogger stated..she is just trying to recover some money to plug the hole of debt that she is currently experiencing. I like them both..but Hillary!(Mam its over!) Join Barack and form a formidable ticket that would be unbeatable in November. Dems 08

Posted by: Earl | May 26, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

With regard to debates, or intense discussions, I wonder if Obama would treat his wife the same as he has Hillary? Is it all women, or just certain women, that he deigns to debate or discuss matters with?
What is he going to do when he comes up against a real macho, or alpha, MALE? Roll over and submit, or flee?
Don’t forget, the President is supposed to represent the greatest and most powerful country in the world, so frankly, I would want someone who would be willing to take another “leader” on any time, anywhere. Someone who is fearless and willing to go to states where they know they are unpopular, but give it their best shot regardless. By the way, how much campaigning did Senator Obama do in West Virginia and Kentucky, and where was he on the anniversary of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s death? And was he at the Black State of the Union meeting?
So, what is the measure of the man, and what is the measure of his female opponent?

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 26, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

HRC is irrelevant.What is the use debating her?She is so negative that she will gang up with the moderator to paint Obama unelectable,failing to meet the Commander in Chief test.The reason why Obama does not do well in debates one on one with he is too decent to match the mudslinging by Hillary who is more of street fighter (a multimillion dollar one though).Kerry was a better debator and that did not help him!Obama will stand out in debates with McCain.Hillary has been winning the sympathy votes and she has been craftily exploiting sexist sentiments!Bill should think before he accuses Hillary being treated disrespetfully.Is he that dumb or he takes the American people to be idiots.He and Hillary were the ones who slighted Obama by downplaying his victories therby insulting the people who voted for him,smeared him as unpatriotic,unelectable and even blaming him for their woes.They had been treating McCain with more respect.Their negative campaign with surrogates like Geraldine and Lanny Davis has made Republicans look like saints!

Posted by: Vish | May 26, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am

Geldo …why are we so sensitive about names … we all have First Names, Middle Names and Family Names of forms thereof …and if you believe in “multi-racialism” and “multi-culturalism” … so of us have genealogy dated back 5,000 BC.

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Get a grip…if America is not comfortable with names other those of the Anglo-Saxon-Irish-Dutch-Deutsche-Austrian, etc variety,…then it is not ready for the kind of America that the great unifier is preaching this primary season

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am

Geldo …why are we so sensitive about names … we all have First Names, Middle Names and Family Names and forms thereof …and if you believe in “multi-racialism” and “multi-culturalism” … so of us have genealogy dated back 5,000 BC.

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am

well slugo i agree with what you said obama was smarter ran a better campain hillbillary is a loser

Posted by: show me | May 26, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am

Why on earth should he debate her? She’s like the crazy bag lady on the street corner screaming at everybody.
Hillary has become a total disgrace.

Posted by: Thomas Mc | May 26, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

God Bless America this Memorial Day Holiday …peace everyone

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

hope this season is not going to be remembered for another “how the Democrats lost the unloseable election” season

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am

Speaking of the Memorial Day Weekend, this one should be interesting, at least on Saturday, when the DNC addresses the seating of Florida and Michigan delegates.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 26, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am

Yavo Lem,
I’d like my leader to be willing to listen, diplomatic, and not too bullheaded and macho. Strong and diplomatic is what Obama is. Weak and desperate is what Hillary is. I’d rather have a President that is willing to hear and respond to what the people “say we need”.
Obama ’08!

Posted by: Dipolomacy | May 26, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Yavo…believe me…they are split into two camps …it is going to be a tough choice to make …either way, they are going to alienate at 17 millions voters (and counting..)
but as they say, both camps have crossed the Rubicon some time back in the primary season

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Yavo …I am, like you, an independent ..but unlike you voted for BHO during earlier in caucus b4 the Wright vs Right discourse
… but it is going to tough season for the DEMS at the rate things are going.
I am watching …if it is Hillary vs McCain match-up, I am not likely to vote Hillary; but if it is a Obama vs McCain…I am gravitating towards a GOP ticket

Posted by: csquan | May 26, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

He has no need to debate her. He already won and she’s just looking for free air time again.
Most recent Survey USA polls show Obama beating McCain handily in Ohio, Virginia, California and Pennsylvania. So much for only Hillary can win in those states huh?

Posted by: karela | May 26, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

You reap what you sow!
What goes around comes around!
Need I say anymore.

Posted by: Liz | May 26, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Let’s see, a debate in Puerto Rico, which won’t even vote in the general election!
When the campaign is over?
Why?
Bill’s whining and her “foot-in-mouth disease” are getting very tiring. Welcome has long since worn-out!!!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: jackt51 | May 26, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Why does he need to debate her anymore? She doesn’t want to talk about the issues that are important to the citizens. She is extra good at personal attacks and dirt. The old ways that they campaigned in the past. Brings to mind what my mother told me years ago. A leopard can’t change his spots. They failed to recognize what was at the hearts and minds of American citizens.

Posted by: BJ | May 26, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

I find this really insulting for her to continue to say these pandering things that makes no sense. All of the respect I had for Hillary as a candidate left over a month ago.

Posted by: American Woman | May 26, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

Yavo …I am, like you, an independent ..but unlike you voted for BHO during earlier in caucus b4 the Wright vs Right discourse
… but it is going to tough season for the DEMS at the rate things are going.
I am watching …if it is Hillary vs McCain match-up, I am not likely to vote Hillary; but if it is a Obama vs McCain…I am gravitating towards a GOP ticket
Posted by: csquan
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csquan, as we have CLOSED primaries here in CT, I could not vote. So, I have a LOT of empathy for Florida and Michigan and trust their delegations will be seated intact, in accordance with the voters’ wishes. As I said before, give Obama the “UNCOMMITTED” vote and delegates. Substantially fine the two states.
The DNC and that ridiculous former President Carter should stop meddling with the “Super Delegates”, who should not be manipulated, nor should they be endorsing candidates. They are not supposed to function until after there is a DEADLOCK at the Convention in Denver in AUGUST. Clinton has every right to go all the way to the Convention and make her case there, and the Obama camp is fully aware of this, hence all the screaming and vitriol, trying to force her out. But she is twice the man Obama is, and if I hear her correctly, this fight will go to the floor, and Obama may wind up lying on it.
The “Super Delegates” have a responsibility to pick the STRONGEST candidate who can WIN the White House in November, and without a doubt that person is Hillary Clinton. For the “Super Delegates”, who are responsible to the PARTY and not to any specific candidate, to not carry out their mandate and pick a weaker candidate would be dereliction of duty and breach of trust. If that is what the Obama people are going to force to happen, then I really fear for this country.
I am a middle-of-the-road Independent and I, too, have problems with McCain, but he as lots of experience and who he picks as his running mate will probably determine whether or not I vote Republican or sit it out, if Hillary is not the Nominee. No, Condelezza Rice, or Newt Gingrich, or Huckabee, or Rick Santorum, etc. On the Democratic side, there is absolutely no way I will vote for Obama on any ticket, and I have made that abundantly clear to the DNC, and have had them take me off their mailing list.
So, now we wait to see what happens with Florida/Michigan, Puerto Rico, South Dakota and Montana. If Hillary wins by any large margin in Puerto Rico, I believe she will wind up winning the popular vote, but neither of them will have enough PLEDGED delegates to claim the Nomination before the Convention. Florida and Michigan can always be refought at the Convention Credentials Committee and I know the Clintons carry more weight than Obama in the Party itself. I believe the Electoral College Vote side-by-side comparison, which I have been posting, is very telling with regard to STRENGTH, while the head-to-head polls only serve to confirm this. Thus, Hillary is a lot more formidable than these stupidos on the Blogs are trying to pretend. They know how weak their man is, and I believe that when he is on the mat at the convention, everyone will be able to see for themselves.
Finally, I just want to say that if nothing else, this contest has been exciting, but way too expensive. There has to be some drastic revision of the whole primary system, starting with getting rid of the caucuses. Then they should limit the campaigning to three our four National TV debates, so people can get a measure of the potential candidates. Then after a suitable time, maybe a month or so, they should hold the primaries, but they have to get some consistency among them (Closed, Open, Semi-open, primary then caucus, etc.). I think they should also do away with all these pre-vote polls and especially, the exit polls. I also believe that limits should be placed on just when TV can begin broadcasting and predicting “winners”. I guess the best guideline for me would be not before the last voting takes place, East to West. That way there would be minimal influence on late voters. I also think mass mail-in balloting as in Oregon should be banned and that some type of foolproof (yes, I know) system, almost like the old-fashioned lever machines we had (and still have in storage) here in CT, should be used nationwide. I say that because I believe the electronic systems are too vulnerable to either attack or manipulation (what do we do if the power fails?).
Well, I’ve probably left out a few things and made a few typos, but that’s were I am at at this point in this horse race.
Oh yes, I can’t believe the level of sexism in this contest, and I never thought that there were so many misogynists in the country. After all, we all have, or had, mothers, all of whom are women, haven’t we? Do we all hate them that much? What is going on?
As to racism, as I see it, that wouldn’t have even been an issue had the Democrats run someone like Ret. Gen. Colin Powell, although I know nothing of HIS baggage.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 26, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

I have been reading all the comments on this blog and I find so many messages to be nasty and mean-spirited. Whether you are for Hillary or Obama we should respect each other’s positions. So much of this hateful rhetoric sounds sophomoric and churlish. But, this is America. You are guarenteed the right to speak your peace. Just as it is Senator Clinton’s right to stay in this contest as long as she wants. Trying to force Hillary out of the race makes the Obama camp look like a bunch of bullies. Whatever happens you can thank Hillary for making Obama a better, stronger candidate. Afterall, as democrats, isn’t our ultimate goal winning the White House in November? Don’t think for one moment that McCain will treat Obama with gentleness and kindness. Hillary deserves the respect you would give any other person. You don’t have to like her to treat her as a fellow human being. We are all Americans. These candidates deserve our respect. Disagree with them if you will, it is your right, but do so in an informed, educated and respectful manner. We are so much better that some of the vile comments that are being posted on this web site. Honestly, would you actually say these hurtful things to either candidate’s face? The anonimity of the blog can contribute to some very poor behavior. Let’s keep the debate and comments on the issues. Haven’t the last 7 years of George Bush taught us anything about the importance of truth and decency?
Blessings to all my fellow American brothers and sisters.

Posted by: Ann | May 26, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

Yavo Lem,
I’d like my leader to be willing to listen, diplomatic, and not too bullheaded and macho. Strong and diplomatic is what Obama is. Weak and desperate is what Hillary is. I’d rather have a President that is willing to hear and respond to what the people “say we need”.
Obama ’08!
Posted by: Dipolomacy
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Then you are certain to be quite disappointed with Obama, on the vanishingly small chance he will be nonimated. What a wuss! In my opinion, he would be the Neville Chamberlain of the Middle East, supplanting former President Carter.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 26, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

Ann says: ”Trying to force Hillary out of the race makes the Obama camp look like a bunch of bullies”
Ann, I agree with your post except for the sentence I have referenced above. It is NOT the Obama camp that is suggesting Hillary get out. Please get your facts straight. This statement is not true. It’s the voters who are asking her to get out. However, if you want to split hairs here, the Clinton camp could be percieved as trying to ”bully” the Democratic process. You probably won’t agree but that’s ok. Spinning the facts will not get her the nomination.

Posted by: Sharie | May 26, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

This story does not state Hillary requested a debate; Univision did. In any case Obama will never do a debate because he can not debate issues or policy. He prefers sensationalizing his candidacy rather than standing on his knowledge, which is very lacking.

Posted by: irma | May 26, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

Ann, I agree with your post except for the sentence I have referenced above. It is NOT the Obama camp that is suggesting Hillary get out. Please get your facts straight. This statement is not true. It’s the voters who are asking her to get out.
Posted by: Sharie
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It’s the voters who are asking her to get out. Oh, really, Sharie. Do you mean voters like former President Carter, former Senator Daschle, Dr. Gov. Howard Dean, and those kind of voters? If you mean ORDINARY voters, could you please provide a certified list of their names?
Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 26, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

Bush and McCain are interchangeable as are Hillary and Obama. I don’t buy it that any true Democrat would be dumb enough and selfish enough to support a Bush-financed and Bush-endorsed McCain.

Posted by: This is a strange, strange world | May 26, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

History has proven that people will not vote for a candidate they detest. Reagan, Reagan, Bush; didn’t happen because those two were the best, they happened because Americans didn’t like the DEM choices then. We are not speaking of people who are completely “into” politics, we are speaking of the mass majority of the people. The fact remains that Hillary is getting the voters who voted for Bush in ’00 and ’04, speciafically 30% of those from Ind,WV,Penn and Kentucky; apparently Ohio as well. Those are the facts. If Obama becomes the nominee, a good portion of the half split for Hillary will not vote for him as well, raising the 30% for each of those and across the country. Get used to saying President McCain.

Posted by: irma | May 26, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Sharie, if you are speaking of the half of the voters in Obama’s camp; then yes they too are voters. On the other, the Hillary half still wants her in because she is the candidate with the knowledge to lead us out of the Bush mess. Therefore, to speak of the voters in the Obama camp requesting her removal; that does come from Obama, his surrogates and his supporters. Hillary is OUR CHOICE ALL THE WAY. Stay in Hillary! From one of your millions of supporters; a voter….

Posted by: irma | May 26, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

Yavo Lem,
Why would *I* be disappointed at all? I’m delighted that Obama has won! He picked up three more supers today.
Y’all best get with the program ’cause this train in moving full speed ahead –with or without you.
Obama ’08!

Posted by: Diplomacy | May 26, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

There have already been 21 debates between Obama and Hillary, we have heard all we need to here. Hillary needs to stop whining.

Posted by: James | May 26, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

No more gloating from Obama’s side. No more whinning from Clinton’s supporters. Please let by-gones be by-gones and come together to stop McCain. Anyone who thinks the Republicans are a friend of feminism or pioneers in racial relations are truly fooling themselves!!!

Posted by: Come together | May 26, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

What I find most extraordinary and astounding about dem primary ’08 is that junior senator from Illinois mounted an campaign to unseat the incumbents– former first lady Hill and former 8 year president Bill AND SUCCEEDED in breaking into and even disabling the Clinton Brand and Clinton Machine of years–Clinton stranglehold on the PARTY.
THE CLINTONS have double-teamed (with grown daughter tossed into the mix too) Barack Obama who campaigned solo north and south and east and west even to Puerto Rico–and came up SHORT!
OBAMA with Mrs. Obama occasionally on the trail for her husband but mostly at home with their daughters in this long campaign against the old brand Clinton successfully got the new Obama brand OUT THERE!
Early in the race The Clintons against Obama–South Carolina–the Clintons double-teamed Obamba so rabidly that Lion of the Senate Ted Kennedy told Bill to dial it down on Obama!
Talk about an unfair fight for the nomination POTUS dem party ’08 by THE CLINTONS who have come up very SHORT anyway.
When it is said that the People don’t want Hill–that is an super duper understatement of this so ugly ’08 primary made so ugly because an unknown young senator from Illinois mounted his campaign with superior Team Obama and whipped not just former first lady Hill but former 8 year president Bill AND their daughter.
WHEN BARACK OBAMA stepped into the ring with the TEAM BILL and HILL CLINTON He announced loudly to the political universe and the American people:
I’m the junior senator from Illinois–Chicago– AND yeah, I’m taking Hillary on– the CLINTONS — with a message for the People–
STAND FOR CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN truly after 8 Bush years!
QUESTION: Why ever is Hillary asking to debate Barack after having gone from inevitable to underdog to LOSER with metrics and DNC ’08 Rules Signed sealed delivered beginning of ’08 campaign?
Hillary’s pulling her bimbo persona in Puerto Rico for a debate just as she pulled bimbo persona in Sioux Falls at the end of the editorial interview:
“I don’t know, I don’t understand” to the Gender and Quit the race questions raised by EB to her! Hillary made faces, laughed, wrung her hands, complete bimbo act, to suggest an hard as nails woman as she can not be expected to understand or CONJECTURE why the media says the race is over.
Although she’s stoking “SEXISM” –”I don’t know” if Gender IS an issue, she said in Hillary’s worried pathetic bimbo voice to EB. And Bill’s now on the trail stoking the pity vote. . . an former President with former first lady in it to win IT or Veep by any means foul now–We got the right to get back to the WH, Americans, vote Hill…

Posted by: Victoria | May 26, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

No one wants anymore debates. Why would he debate Hillary, he needs to debate Gramps. Debate Bill, Hillary he is a big part of why you lost!!!!!!

Posted by: Nora | May 26, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

Why should he waste his valuable time “debating” with this person who has lost all grasp of reality.
Im a WOMAN
Im Af-American
and I’m voting for Obama.
Obama/Webb 08

Posted by: PaigeInPhilly | May 26, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

Why bother? All the other “debates” were trivial and didn’t represent the positions of either Clinton or Obama. The press just can’t seem to ask intelligent questions. The Faux News influence.

Posted by: smilodon1 | May 26, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

why would obama want to debate a has-been?

Posted by: adriandep | May 26, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

Barack Obama is a coward. All mafia is like that. He is a dead beat.

Posted by: Josephm | May 26, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

No more debates. 21 debates is plenty and we know what we need know regarding where the candidates stand on important issues.
Hillary just wants more attention so she can whine and blame.
Maybe she can write an Op-ed about why she signed and supported the DNC decision regarding Florida and Michigan when she was AHEAD. Now she wants to change the rules because she is behind. I believe some portion of the delegates should be seated, however, Hillary Clinton’s motives are purely selfish – she does not care about the voters in those states. Whine and Blame.

Posted by: Independent | May 26, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

You guys hit the nail on the head. Obama has shown himself to be politically impotent – if he can’t finish off a fellow Dem how can he expect to beat McCain. The blood of his campaign is in the water and the superdelegates should swim the other way fast.

Posted by: MargaretMi | May 26, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

Why would Obama want to debate? Why, so that we can all witness the fact that he can’t debate since he has no grasp of issues and policy?

Posted by: irma | May 26, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

Obama; The Great False Hope.

Posted by: irma | May 26, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Hillary who?
stick a fork in her…….
As crazy as she is acting she won’t even hold her senate seat in the next election.

Posted by: Mike | May 26, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

My prediction is….
the Clintons will be spending more time in court rooms the next couple of years then anywhere near the White House.

Posted by: Race | May 26, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

Obama is an empty-headed suit with no experience. His suppporters think he is some kind of god who can cure all ills with absolutely no ideas of how. If he is the nominee, it will become a joke to watch his empty head speak, as it already is in some situations. Hillary showed how poorly equipped he is in debates. There will be no debates with McCain, unless it is recorded then edited by the news media before being shown to the public. All of Obama’s speeches will be written, rehearsed, then given in elaborately staged venues to get the maximum Madison Avenue results. That is my forecast if he is the nominee.
Obama fans believe that his election as President is written in stone. The Democrats have some serious judgement calls to make. If Hillary is not the nominee, the rest of us will just wait for the rushing sound of “bitter, gun-clinging, religion-clinging, uneducated whites and working women” casting their votes for McCain, someone who really does have real experience and wisdom to be President.

Posted by: georgia | May 26, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

It’s true…The media is manipulating many readers and viewers. Hillary is getting no respect but why? Is she really dividing people so bad or is Obama quietly doing this. Open your darn minds here!

Posted by: ebknows | May 26, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

hillary who?

Posted by: sam | May 26, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

Why would Obama debate with a non-candidate anyway? Hillary and Bill just keep buzzing around like noisy flies and should be swatted…
If anyone thinks she wasn’t irrelevant before, go back and review her JFK/Obama assassination comments, that have dominated the news cycles for the past 3 days…
Can you say it’s over Hillary??

Posted by: Davis | May 26, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

Of the three Hillary actually has the least experience, unless you are giving her experience for Bill accomplishements. But personally if I needed a dentist I wouldn’t go the my Dentist’s wife for treatment.
The contest is over and has been for some time. Clintonites are in denial. The person who was the most disrespectful in the last year is Hillary. When you have her baggage it is the price you pay, on the flip side, without the Clinton name she wouldn’t even be in the race, so there was good and bad. She was in the race because her last name was Clinton but she lost because her last name was Clinton.
Personally I am a pro-life Democrat so overturning Roe V Wade is fine with me.

Posted by: Amy | May 26, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

Poll numbers this far out are meaningless. If you remember Hillary have a 30+ point lead in every state in December/January and yet we still had primaries.
Also, in the poll question when we are asked Hillary/McCain, we say we would vote fot Hillary. Change the question, If Hillary stole the nomination from the person who won 33 contests and the most delegates…. would you vote for Hillary or McCain, she would be behind by 20 points. I would vote for Hillary over McCain, but if it is stolen, I won’t vote for any Democrats. And I would never vote for Hillary again for any office.

Posted by: Brian | May 26, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

Brian
it is Hillarys right to take the nomination Obama in any calculus has not earned it… hes very second rate!

Posted by: dem38 | May 26, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

Hillary has lost it by every measure and has no ligitimate way to win. If the Democrats lose in November Hillary will be blamed for it by a lot of people, she will not be viable for a national office and may have trouble holding her Senate seat.

Posted by: Alma | May 26, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

After 21 debates, I’m ready to move on. We already know about these two — pretty similar on issues, very different personalities.
If there’s going to be a debate, let’s make it Obama vs. McCain!

Posted by: louielouie | May 26, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

it seem extraordinary to me that so many people have put their faith in some one so inexperienced an out of touch with the international community and at the same time these same people believing that what happens out side the country dose not effect the US. If we think for a minute that our health care and our economy our gas prices, and so many other issues are not connected in some way with the international community you are seriously mistaking. Barack obama dose not have the intelligence to address these issues and he has shown us through his debates and on his answerers that he is impulsive and answers accordingly. Dismissing the norms that have keep this country safe and working for so many decades which have placed this nation as the number one nation globally, economically and militarily. To change a strategy to apace a certain group or a mentality of change, could very well be our down fall. The international community might not like us but they do respect us. And yes their will be those rouge nations that feel indispensable and challenge the US. But that’s to be expected. And this is the price we pay to be the number one nation economically and militarily. I do believe that barack obama will provide the change his constituents want addressing their issues of concern but in the process he will undo the fabric that has made this nation what it is. I agree that it is good to have a change but not a disbalance and that’s what barrack is bringing to the presidency if elected. He has not addressed the issue of employment growth in the US and that my friends are issues that involves the international community. He has not address the issue of resolving the immigration problem in the US and that my friends are issues of the international community. He has not addressed the issue of why the excessive cost of medication and that my friends are issues that involves the international community. He has not address the issue of how to immediately control the escalating gas prices and that my friends is an issue that involves the international community. So to make it clear we need some one who has experience and a professional politician who knows how to talk to the international community and not how to talk to a church congregation. My vote is with Hillary Clinton and if she is not selected as the Democratic candidate I will vote for John McCain.

Posted by: mario | May 26, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

I suggest Y’ALL eat some humble pie if you really do want Obama to have a chance in the General Election.
This is the internet, for some time the republicans have been running a internet campaign, coming on here pretending to be Obama supporters and Hillary supporters saying things to PO the other side. Talk more to people in real life and take what is said on here with a grain of salt, it often isn’t coming from who they say they are. that is why the Clinton and Obama posts sometimes are obviously only meant to inflame the other side.

Posted by: mike | May 26, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

I agree, I can’t see how anyone could vote for someone with as little experience as Hillary.
Obama has more time in elected office.
Been elected to more offices.
Co-sponsered more legislation while in the Senate.
She can’t even give a good speech.
on the plus side she failed to give us health care and was married to a popular President.
Plus most people, don’t like a candidate with a lot of D.C. experience, that is one reason why Senators hardly ever win.

Posted by: Amy | May 26, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

@Alma:
I’m inclined to agree with you. Hillary may well have lost the nomination. But that doesn’t mean that she, or her political supporters have nothing to gain from her carrying this through to the bitter end. Obama may be ahead in the delegate count, but his victory is far from compelling. Are we all supposed to pretend that it is?
By continuing her campaign, she ensures that the voices of her supporters will not be drowned out in the rush by some to annoint Obama. You think these voices should be ignored?
Well, then, good luck in the general election.
If Obama loses in the GE it will be for no other reason than he, and his proxies could not find a way to reach out to Hillary’s supporters. The fault will be his, and his alone.

Posted by: Machiavelli | May 26, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

the funny thing is did you just started paying attention this month, the Clintons were the hierarchy. She started with a 250 super delegate lead before there was a single vote cast, didn’t hear you whining about that being unfair.
Hillary people were on the Rules Committee who voted to take Mich and Florida’s delegates away, if it was unfair why didn’t she stop it in the beginning? Didn’t hear you whining about that being unfair.
Why is it only unfair when Hillary is losing, otherwise anything is fair game?

Posted by: Mark B. | May 26, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

@mike:
I suggest Y’ALL…
Well, I guess I was inflamed.:-) So, do take that earlier comment with a grain of salt. I could vote for either Hillary or Obama, but I am inflamed by theh gloating (or apparent gloating of some “Republican” feigned Obama supporters in sheep’s clothing). Personally, I’ve already moved on. I am certain that Obama will get the nod. So now the issue is how to unite the Democratic party (including Hillary’s supporters) to defeat McCain in the GE.
The gloating of “Diplomacy”, if such is indeed an Obama supporter, defeat that goal.

Posted by: Machiavelli | May 26, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

Even if it would be true that a lose in November is Obama’s fault alone, it doesn’t change the fact that a lot of Dems will blame her, thus making her non viable for any future run. He is young and will rebound from it, she will be painted as bitter and crazy. I think it would be in their best interest to help one another. But she continues to attack him for no reason while he continously speaks nice about her. if she helped gang up on McCain and they worked as a team then going to the convention may not be a problem but she’s shown no sign of helping only hurting the party in her egotistical quest for power.

Posted by: Alma | May 26, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

HILLARY WHO????
I seem to remember someone with that name.

Posted by: George | May 26, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

@George:
As in GEORGE W. BUSH?

Posted by: Machiavelli | May 26, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

@George:
As in GEORGE W. BUSH?
I seem to remember someone with that name. Oh yeah, the one in the history books, who will be remembered as THE WORST president in history. ;-)

Posted by: Machiavelli | May 26, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

@Alma:
And the RFK slur, spread by Axelrod and his team to stir up the pot. That is not an example of an attack, and an attack in the worst taste, for no reason?
Give Hillary a break;-)

Posted by: Machiavelli | May 26, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

@Alma:
I hardly make a post, and someone provides the evidence!
Read what Greg Jones has to say above immediately after may post. Those kinds of slanderous attacts are what are crazy, and will destroy the Democratic party. And they are coming from Obama’s “sane” supporters?

Posted by: Machiavelli | May 26, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

I kinda agree with Alma, I think Hillary is damaging herself and the Clinton legacy. The bad part is the further this goes and the more damage she does, the only way for her to repair it would be to win. As she gets further from the only means for redemption she will get even more desparate. There may be only one other means of redemption, if she loses, it would be that she was instrumental in the Democrats winning, then she would seen as a hero. But a loss in November will hurt both of them badly, no matter who the nominee is.
There is a chance she could come out of this looking like a crazy racist. I don’t think the Clintons are but it is a label that is in danger of sticking. This whole thing is a mess and the sooner it is over the better for the party, IMO. I am sure a lot of people will disagree, and it doesn’t mean I am being disrespectful, it is my opinion.

Posted by: Marine1 | May 26, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

@Machiavelli
HILLARY WHO???

Posted by: xray | May 26, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

Obama can’t debate very well and stutters alot because he needs to read what he says. When he is campaigning he has to read what he says, when he is debating it has to come off the top of his head….he can’t do it. Run Obama run…run away from debates…pretend like you are the Democratic nominee and run away from the states that are left in the race you are really in. RUN OBAMA RUN!

Posted by: KRoss | May 26, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

Hillary has already damaged herself and her legacy. The Clintons will fade into oblivion after November 4.

Posted by: xray | May 26, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Hillary debates well because lies roll so easily off her tongue. She’ll say anything to get what she wants. She probably will do anything also, which explains her relationship with Bill.

Posted by: xray | May 26, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

Anyone but the Clintons! Those of you who will vote for McCain, fine! Obama or McCain in the White House, not trash. Let the Clintons wallow in the mire of their mediocrity after the GE.

Posted by: xray | May 26, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

Is she high? I have this image of her busting onto the stage on during Obama’s inaguration saying – I demand a debate N.O.W.!

Posted by: LAsux | May 26, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

Incidentally,
I don’t think that HRC is remaining in the race to get the presidential nomination. She just wants to line up enough delegates to ensure that Obama won’t waltz away with the nomination without her say so.
She will come out of this with enough delegates to be the King Maker.
I doubt she wants to be VP. I’m not sure how she intends to use this power. But if she racks up enough delegates it will be real power. I’m sure she’ll think of something;-)

Posted by: Machiavelli | May 26, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

The reason he does not need to debate Hillary is the same reason he does not need to debate Kucinich or Edwards or Richardson. They no longer have a chance to win. He is focused on the general election.

Posted by: Reason | May 26, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

Why debate somebody you have already defeated?

Posted by: Tom | May 26, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

Obama does not need to to debate that rattlesnake, she is waiting to trip him up not only is dividing the Democratic party is creating racial divisions in America . She will stop at nothing absolutely nothing to become the nominee. Do we want a desperado, some one who cannot even organize her own campaign? She has already caused a division and then she will say ah ah if McCain wins.

Posted by: miriam jay | May 26, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

Too bad… Hillary Clinton – NO MORE DEBATES – Stop making a mockery of our democracy…

Posted by: TheTruth | May 26, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

Obama can’t debate – he proved that in PA! Besides he’s busy right now looking for those other 7 states that magically appeared!

Posted by: susiewat | May 26, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

Lets face it, Obama is not impressive at all in debates. Its because he doesn’t know the subject matter as well as his opponent. He has no substance.
Americans who jumped on the Obama bandwagon need to get off unless you want McCain to be the next president.

Posted by: paul | May 26, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

I really dont need to hear any more lies from HRC.. whats the point anyway…. she has lost.. and that is NOT debatable…

Posted by: Levi Cro | May 26, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

joaquin, I agree with you about taking a step back from the divisive bickering and seeking guidance from our faith and Jesus Christ.
Luke 11:17 A house divided against itself will fall.
Democrats, we do not want to fall at this critical time in our country’s history. There are serious problems to be addressed so our unity is essential. We cannot let pride stand in the way of doing the right thing. Too much is at stake.
Women (yes, I am a woman also), many are vowing not to vote for Mr. Obama because we are so determined it will be a woman or else we will make sure the opponent suffers. What is Christ-like about that attitude? Even if there was an opportunity for Mrs. Clinton in 2012, we would be expecting the many millions of Mr. Obama’s supporters to forgive/forget and vote for her. So are we going to be vindictive now and then expect them to be Christ-like in 2012? Anyone who is a Christian will know that position is totally wrong according to God’s word.
Now is the time to do the right thing according to God’s word, not our emotions. If not Hillary Clinton this time, God is more than able to raise up another woman in His own time and in His own way. We should be praying: not our will, but Thy (God’s) will be done. If we vote for Mr. McCain or not vote at all out of spite, our accountability will be to God and He will know our motives.
Keep in mind, Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton are both christians.

Posted by: Florida voter | May 26, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

In my family we are all Hiillary supporters. We didn’t start out that way. I admired Hillary as First Lady and of course thought Bill Clinton was the best democratic president I had seen in my lifetime. I’m now 60 years old.
After seeing Hillary in the debates – how knowledgeable she was, able to think on her feet, and could deflect with grace some of the nastiest barbs sent her way, I became a committed supporter of hers. I have not felt this way about any other candidate since RFK’s short and tragic run in the dem. primaries in 1968.
Hillary Clinton is the best candidate running for president this year – still standing. As long as she is committed, my family and I are committed to her as well.
If she doesn’t get the nomination, my husband has already said he will vote for McCain. Obama and his unsavory associates and friends scare him. Our adult son will vote for Nader. Our daughter may not even vote. She’s in school and has not been very involved in politics and as for me, I may “write-in” Hillary if I think it will do any good or if not I will vote for McCain. McCain has a long senate record, has worked across the aisle, and is a moderate republican. He is the “devil we know.” Obama is the “devil we don’t know.”
BTW, I am not alone, I know other life-long democrats who will vote for McCain, if their option is “Obama.” Many are so worried about Obama, that not only will they vote for McCain, but they will actively work for McCain just to make certain, Obama is not elected.
And no, we Clinton supporters are not getting our orders from HRC. No doubt, Hillary Clinton, loyal democrat that she is, will not only support but will campaign for Obama, if he gets the nomination.
Believe it or not, many of we “bitter, red-neck, gun-toting, Bible-thumping, xenophobic” Clinton supporters attended school during a time era where “critical thinking” was actually taught at the secondary level of education. Moreover, if you were fortunate enough to attend college or university, (as both my husband and I were) you could not graduate withour the ability to “reason in a logical manner.”
Many of the Obama supporters, although they may be educated remind me of some of the characters in “Idiocracy.” “Change you can count on” reminds me of “but it has electrolytes.” (See the movie “Idiocracy”.)

Posted by: Cathy in Ks. | May 26, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

i thought obama won all the debates. if he didn’t, it just goes to show that news reporters aren’t in touch with their viewing public. common sense says that if we voted for obama, he won the debates overall. he’s winning, so… guess who won the debates. LOL LOL LOL
Obama ’08

Posted by: Oh Really? | May 26, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

There is no reason for another debate. They have both made their positions clear on the issues and nothing is going to change that. We have heard it all before.
The only thing a debate could do at this point is to allow an open forum for more personal attacks and this we do not need. The Democratic party is already hurting and what they need is unity not more division.
The Democratic party needs time to unite behind one candidate and move on to the GE. There will be plenty of time for substantive debates once we are battling McCain. That needs to be our focus now.

Posted by: Kasha | May 26, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm

Bill is right, He is the last great President our country had in office.I and people around the World want to see Hillary in the Oval office..
Barack is a nice enough guy, buyt how many Gaffes can a Presidential Nominee make..He is a great enough speaker to inspire us all but, he dosn’t have the experience and knowledge to be our President. I hear and i see everyone getting all fired up about CHANGE, well getting rid of Bush and the Republicans is what it’s about for this election.
That’s the big change needed NOW.
The eexperience and know how that goes with Hillary Clinton is what will make the change in November work..
Please don’t be led like lambs to the slaughter..

Posted by: Campesino, Ricardo | May 26, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

westcoastmessenger writes:
“He hasn’t been able to close the deal.”
if you want to go down that road, fine, we will. Hillary has not been able to close the deal either than. So please explain why not??
And also writes:
“Polls shows that Bosnian General Hillary wins the electoral map”
yes, I remember that Bosnia lie she told, which turns out to be one of many.
As far as winning the electoral map, last I checked we were still in the Primary season. Once the Democratic Party nominee is chosen, the map opens up. No one can base who will win in the electoral college while we are still in the Primary.

Posted by: Kasha | May 26, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

Cathy in Ks., you should certainly vote for McCain if you feel so strongly. I think you will appreciate the significant and ‘known’ assets that come with him: George Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, Ann Coulter and much more. You’ll also look forward to (to name a few):
- 100 year Wars; medical issues of the troops who return and broken families
- selection of supreme court justices who will overturn and set back women’s rights and equal pay for generations to come;
- tax breaks for the rich at the expense of low and middle income families;
- support CEO’s making millions in bonus and billions in profits (e.g. look at the oil companies);
- economic crisis;
- higher costs for education
The McCain in 2008 is very different than the more moderate McCain who ran in 2000 and his alliances are not with Democrats who cross over. Sure he will court the vote and then do exactly as Republicans do when in charge…look at the sad state of our great country in the last 7 years.
A Democrat who settles for any of the above, which are against core democratic principles, should seriously consider registering Republican (no disrespect intended, but it seems that party may be a better fit for you).

Posted by: soho | May 26, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

Sen. Clinton has lost the year-long nomination process fair and square – now the so-called poll-gurus want to win the nomination for her!!
Why send polling questions to voters if they would elect the candidate who has already lost the nomination election as president? What a way to make a mockery of our democracy? We cry foul when other countries fabricate election results, but we can do that here shamelessly, and brag about it non-stop!!

Posted by: Jim, Texas | May 26, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

Why is Obama afraid to debate? Does he not know the answers???????
Obama is pathetic!

Posted by: East Side Love | May 27, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am

The person convinced they are losing the election is always the one demanding another debate. If Senator Clinton could win the GE she’d be winning the nomination for president. But the fact is that she’s run her campaign without proper judgment and planning, which begs the question of how she’d run the country. And she’s over $20 million dollars in debt. She also brags about obliterating Iran and makes incendiary remarks about China, as if diplomacy is not in her vocabulary. I think Clinton should stay in the race until the last vote is cast, but I agree with those that say she makes herself look more and more desperate with her behavior.

Posted by: Linda A | May 27, 2008, 6:07 am 6:07 am

Oh he’s too scared to debate unless he has prior knowledge of the questions…besides, the Rezko jury deliberations end today, so who knows what will now surface.
What you fail to remember are the voters! Their right to have thier vote counted! They didn’t move the dates in FL & MI and yet they are penalised, yet it is ok for other states to move their dates…i think there is something wrong with that, don’t you? They voted for Hillary Clinton and those votes should be counted, as is!
You know it makes sense to have Hillary as the nominee.

Posted by: Wise Ole Woman | May 27, 2008, 6:27 am 6:27 am

i SPENT 3 YEARS IN SAN JUAN i dont think Obamma even dares to debate on Puerto Rican affairs unless he is really stupid

Posted by: JAMES | May 27, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

Hillary and Obama could debate on who decided the states who voted in the primaries would be stripped on their delegates etc. Hillary back in Oct. help decide on that> Now they (Bill & Hillary ) are crying foul play. You cant change the rules of the games when things don’t go your way,

Posted by: wilhelmina78 | May 27, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

I think, Hillary should be demanding a debating with Bill and Chelsea about various topics, the nation want to know…when they’re going to step down, how to pay their campiagn $20 mn debt, ‘racism’, ‘sexism’, etc….The moderator could be their own man George George Stephanopoulos.

Posted by: Ali | May 27, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

Hillary is out- McCain and Obama are in-Vote for McCain if you want war/death/poor economy to continue/high gas prices and more tax breaks for the super rich. Make sure all you scorned Hillary supports work real hard for McCain-but make sure when you leave the for the day-you have your bus card because you may not be able to pay for the high gas prices. Bush and McCain are twins-and Bush is a good old oil man.

Posted by: lowes4321 | May 27, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

I’m from Ohio and will never vote for Obama in the GE. I would rather have 4 more years of Republicans. My family has been Democrates for years and this is the first time I would consider leaving the democrating party but all this mess has given me reason to do so. I will vote for Hillary if they can straighten this mess up. I will never trust the news media again either. Everyone I talk to in Ohio feels the same way. So come on DNC and get your act together.

Posted by: Gloria Touvell | May 28, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

“He understands people’s cultural differences just from proudly being of two races. He speaks highly of his late mother for whom he had great respect…it is ridiculous to say he is “anti-white” which someone had incorrectly said earlier.” HENRY
Henry, what PLANET are you living on?
Simply put, IF you HOPE to be the first POST RACIAL president, it’s probably prudent to NOT a write a book at 33 that is straight out of the Eldrich Cleaver playbook and says things like…
QUOTES FROM BARACK OBAMAS AUTOBIOGRAPHY, DREAMS OF MY FATHER:
“I knew…that traveling down the road to self-respect my own white blood
would never recede into mere abstraction.”
‘I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.
‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.”
“It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”
On attending Occidental College in Los Angeles:
“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs…It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”
“To admit our doubt and confusion to whites, to open up our psyches to general examination by those who had caused so much of the damage in the first place, seemed ludicrous, itself an expression of self-hatred…We were always playing on the white man’s court — by the white man’s rules. If the principal, or the coach, or a teacher wanted to spit in your face, he could, because he had the power and you didn’t. The only thing you could choose was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage.”
“That hate hadn’t gone away–”white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”
The “proudly biracial” Barack you speak of said of a black friend who had a white girlfriend:
“[Uncle] Tom was not a conscious brother.”
And yet of his mother’s preference for black partners and the white girl he dated for a year he says:
“The emotions between the races could never be pure; even love was tarnished
by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves.
Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always
remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”
No WONDER Candidate Obama has a problem facing a strong mature accomplished…white woman
(and encourages his flock to revile her in the hateful obscene ways we see here!)
And the..presumed…democratic candidate has YET to explain THIS quote from his book to the American People:
‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
But no, there’s nothing LEFT to debate.
And FOR SURE I, a lifelong liberal democrat, am voting for…this guy.
(not)

Posted by: janitt dott | May 28, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

Debate what? Debate whether Obama
will pay her over 20 million dollar debt,
some of which goes directly into the
Clinton bank account. Good riddance
to the Clintons who brought nothing
but corruption, lies and dishonesty to
the white house. She has the audacity
to feel an entitlement to the highest
office in the land. She and Bill have a
street fighter mentality and know
nothing about playing by the rules–
they make up their own and then try to
convince gullible Americans that they
are right. She is a pathetic person right
now who is detached from reality.

Posted by: gina | May 29, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

gina
check into how your “honest” candidate took his senate seat away from a woman.
people don’t mention his past because they know little about him. he hasn’t even finished his first term and he has the gall to seek the presidency. he has given me no reason to vote for
him. he strikes me as vain, arrogant, inexperienced and pssibly delusional.

Posted by: jdlogan | May 30, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

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