The Fallacy of Clinton’s 1968 Analogy

Yes she has the right, but is it the correct thing to do? That is the question, and increasingly it seems than the answer is no.

All I heard from Obama in January was the MLK assination. They couldn’t talk it up enough.
Nothing more than Obama’s smear campaign because he knows Hillary had the popular vote. Is this the “change we can believe in?” Is this what “unity” smells like. Obama is probably the most divisive candiate in recent history. He’ll never win the general election.

This is a feeble attempt to stir up controversy.
RFK declared in June that he would take his uphill struggle to win the Democratic presidential nomination to the convention.
So should Hillary.

cindy nc…if you REALLY believed in what Hillary stotod for you would NEVER vote McCain!!! All the HRC supporters keep saying you LOVE and Totally support her ideas, than you are traitors to her if you vote McCain…Unless you are only voting for her because she is a women? Then you are using gender boas…

what a dangerouse game these boys are playing. Most should not underestime the size of Hillary’s supporters. Women in huge huge numbers generationos of women I have seen grandmothers, moms and daughters all going for Hillary in a big way a stronger Democrat block than blacks. Also they’re writing off the white rural vote too. Two huge and reliable Democratic blocs and let’s not forget the seniors too.
I will tell you this we are NOT lining up behind Barack Obama in November should he be the nominee. We’ll throw our support to McCain and Nader. Don’t forget we are middle road people.

Her own merits?
she has recently shown she has far too few.

Jessica…you all makek me sick…you theaten this countries security with you idol words…you don’t really care about this country if you vote McCain!!!
I think all the women in this country who support HRC should take a long look at themselves and try to relize where the country os headed. To say you would vvote against Obama if you believe in Hillarys campaign is totally uunAmerican. I pray HRC has the guts to support Obama if he is the nominee. If she doesn’t she doesn;t deserve to be president anyway. That called CLASS….

Jessica,
What do “blacks” have to do with it?
Whether you are talking about white women or white rural voters as being a tangible voting block who will express their collective outrage against what exactly?
The worst thing the media did was give a license to group people in these categories so that people like you would act like we were in a zero sum game.
What will be the result of their folly?

While clearly it would have been best if she had not said it, I dont see why we are going crazy over it.
Lets not act in such insanity. She was just trying to point out that nominating contests have gone on until June and that this insane pressure from the media is ridiculous.
Now you may disagree with her on that, but to imply that she had some evil intent at the back of her head is ridiculous.

TIME TO END THIS. Clinton supporters/superdelagates: Only you can end this for the good of the party & for the good of the country.

I don’t think HRC’s supporters are going to support Obama because of the environment this primary season created.
Too many people have attributed things the media personalities said to BHO for them to believe he is innocent.
I hope McCain supports HRC supporters and demonstrates how understanding he is.
Mr. Tapper, I’ve continued to read your column especially when I thought you were a devout HRC supporter. Now those supporters are turning on you.
Obama does not stand a chance in winning these people back.

Its pretty disheartening to think some Democrats will switch to McCain should Hillary not win, abandoning the troops in Iraq to continue fighting Bush’s illegal and immoral war while the country’s economy continues to disintegrate because of it, and to choose a leader who has no real interest or acumen to fix it. I imagine you would have to be as cold and unfeeling as Hillary to even contemplate living with the blood of more of the country’s volunteer National Guard and thousands of Iraq citizens on your hands just to score some cheap political point. I’d ask you to reconsider giving your stamp of approval to Bush’s war and his legacy of the retraction of individual rights and liberties in voting for John McCain. If you can’t vote for Barack Obama, consider voting instead to bring the troops home as soon as possible, something Obama has vowed to do; vote for the closing of Guantanamo; vote for national health care, etc. There are a million things to vote for other than the man, himself. T.H.I.N.K. before you vote.

Well I can see the change Obama has brought to politics.
He has divided us so fast and so much better than the Republicans, he makes Newt look like the king of uniters!
Barry will Never unite a party he is the worst thing that ever happened to AMERICA! Never will Hillary’s supporters vote for that devious, fake, phony far far left wing hypocrite!

I agree there is nothing wrong with what Hillary said it is the MSM trying to get people to tie obama with RFK. When everyone know that he is more like McGovern, John Kerry, Adlai Stephenson, Michael Dukakis…you get the idea. You’re a Walter Mondale. That’s who we’re looking at.

Utterly despicable. The Clintons have lost their minds and are in the process of ruining their legacy forever. I will never think of Bill with the affection I did before his wife’s ruinous campaign.

May I also say that this overreaction to Clinton’s comment has been the breaking point for me. I am a Clinton supporter with strong concerns about Obama but who has kept my mind open to both Obama and McCain in the general election. I am so turned off though by the pro-Obama media which is attempting to have an impact on the outcome of this race (if mainstream media supports them probably more reason for me not to); the treatment of Clinton and her supporters by both the media, the Obama camp and it’s supporters and the arrogance of the Obama camp and it’s supporters that they don’t need the support of blue collar voters (in particular white blue collar voters) and anyone who has not completed a college degree, that they have formed a “new coalition” which clearly is not in need of nor desires many of the Clinton supporters. I am college educated, I am white, I am middle income and I am not going to base my choice of candidate on race or gender.
What I am going to take into account though is a candidate’s vision of unity and change and what I have seen and experienced throughout these Democratic parties is a vision shared by the Obama camp and his supporters that I want no part of . He is, his campaign is and his supporters are elitist. I can hardly wait until the general election when all of those potential voters who haven’t had the misfortune of coming up against the Obama fanatics yet can share in that experience. Wait until they get to be called racists, morons, toothless wonders and their candidate gets to be demonized to the point that one can’t understand why if all this baloney they spout is true why that candidate hasn’t been locked up yet.
This has been one of the ugliest campaigns I can recall and I for one have finally made my decision to jump ship to McCain. So one more Democrat overboard. It’s time to get off the Democrat’s sinking ship.

alpaig thank you for articulating
my feelings completely…
i also will not support obama
under any circumstance. obama
supporters insulted me, my family,
and my children all of whom have
been life-long democrats. the party left me i did not leave the party.

Wonder what the empty suit obama had to do to Donna Brazilenut to get her to make these comments -It was Donna Brazile who said “uneducated white” people. Not Clinton.
As a matter of fact, Donna Brazile said, “The New Democratic Party doesn’t need the white, blue collar workers and Latinos”!
If you don’t have the intelligence to put your education to work for you then it really doesn’t matter how many degrees you have. Look at the ignorant political anal-list – they have degrees but not enough sense to come in out of the rain!
KEEP GOING HILLARY – OUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU!!!!!

Wonder how many superdelegates Obama has paid ?? Count must be pretty high now, from a guy who has no experience and gets big percentage month after month from middle eastern people who want one of “their own” as our president.

alpaig, I can’t support McCain who wants to continue the Iraq nightmare. Besides, I don’t vote for myopic Republicans, ever! Obama is not my first choice by any means but McCain is a horrible pick. I will NOT vote for him; however, I believe the media have furthered Obama’s candidacy with rank bias because they are trying to bolster McCain! They have endeavored to split the Democrats and they have done a great job of it. It is an example of the Republicans controlling this election using the press, in my opinion.

Since Obama knows this tape will come out I am sure he is trying to spin it as taken out of context. Everything he says is taken out of context. You would think he would have learned by now that telling the truth won’t get him elected. His truths scare the living daylights out of most people

HP Boston:
Well I can see the change Obama has brought to politics.
He has divided us so fast and so much better than the Republicans.
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WHY?? Because he had the NERVE to win over Saint Hillary?
Why is it HIS fault that she is so desperately behind in this race? Please, explain to me how is HE dividing this Party? By winning? Good God, will the man stop at nothing? LOL!!
She ran a terrible campaign, hired the wrong people, didn’t listen to those closest to her, wasted a quarter of a BILLION dollars in the process.
And Obama is a fault because…..?

I do believe that the dnc is no longer a relevant org. They should be disbanded and go down in history as the biggest political mistake made in America. The dems were not always like that but now I have to vote as a republican. Thank god McCain is moderate and honest.
I have to hope that Clinton goes independent. If she did I would vote for her. I will not vote for any ticket that has Obama on it. That would include a Obama/Clinton ticket.

yes the biased media, it seems to be all about the money,
obama is even able to buy up media people. linda douglas, of abc.
so this is the new kind of politician
obama and his money machine.

She did not have to evoke anything to make any point because nobody “between Obama and Obama’s campaign to the Press” was asking her to quit. If anything, Obama and his camp recognized explicitly her every right to stay in the race, and were making the point that it was up to her to decide when to exit. As for the Press, they were merely pointing to the inevitability as presented by the math–the real math, that is.

They have been crying all night about Clinton never mentioning him.
Just like they cried last week about Bush never mentioning him.
If it is not all about Obama, then it is reason for “manufactured outrage”.

Obama plays the victim card as well as he plays the race card..and his supporters pick up on it and run with..We have seen this cycle..over and over..

      “And, yes she can run as an independent.”
      kerry | May 24, 2008 2:21:04 PM
That thought HAD crossed my mind, but then I found out that her contribution to her own Democratic campaign was $11.4 Billion.  She doesn’t need much money to continue her campaign as a Democrat through until the August Convention.  South Dakota and Montana and Puerto Rico are all modestly priced media markets, and she can pull in enough internet money from the inflamed granny brigades, as she goes along these last couple of weeks, to make ad buys there.  (Or, she can toss in a little more of her own money.)  After that, she doesn’t need much money at all to continue on to Denver and make her floor fight there.
But, an independent campaign would require substantial resources.  And she’s not got ‘em.
So, gotta figure that her plan is to continue the internecine fight so long as she can and then hope for a McCain win against a wounded Obama come November.
Meantime, “anything can happen.”

Wow! You guys really have yourself whipped up into a froth today.
I’m really an outsider looking in. I’m an Independent voter.
I favor Obama, but would vote for whomever wins the Dem nomination. This year I just want the Repubs out.
I have never cared too much for the Democratic Party because of stuff like this.
This has gotten crazy.
Clinton has said some unfortunate things, Obama has said some unfortunate things. All were taken out of context and I take both candidates at their word. Period.
I am voting 100% on issues. Both are almost identical on the issues.
But you guys are REALLY turning off Independent voters.
Stop the threats.

kerry – Are you a Hillary supporter? You sound like a complete fool so you are not doing Hillary any favors.

B.O. has done nothing but wave his arms & yell with words of which he doesn’t even know the meaning — why else would he keep trying to explain himself?
I pray to God Hillary stays in until the convention so maybe those delegates(?) will see the light by then!

Please research Obama before you ever consider voting for him.
McCain is a true patriot. He is a good and decent man. McCain has reached across and sided with the Dems on legislature he thought worthy. Obama has never done that, when he voted all.
I can only ask you to look up his connections to many unscrupulous characters that are a danger to this country.
Please keep these facts in mind when you go to the poll in November.
It is not about the party, either one. It is about the country. Remember the President is of all the people, all the parties.

Jessica – So you are going to vote for a guy that wants to go to war with Iran and pisss on every country that dissagrees with us. That’s great. You Hillary supporters are nuts.

I see that the Obama campaign has unleashed the hounds inventing an issue. I am also disgusted with the DNC. The unfair sexist treatment of the most qualified candidate to fix our country has really disgusted me. I do not believe Obama will win the general election – he does not have the experience or good judgement. He won’t be able to avoid debates, and he wil go down in flames. Nice job Howard Dean.

Senator Clinton is the better of the candidates. Senator Obama has bought his way into this race by setting aside $20 million to get his superdelages reelected. He does not belong in this race. He belongs in jail with his friend Tony Rezko. With at least six declaring guilt and testifying, one keeps wondering why questions are not being asked of Senator Obama. After all, his legislation set up the agencies to be used by Rezko and his corrupt dealings. Never in American political history has one man been so corrupt and still running for office.
Senator Clinton has more popular votes at this time.

Obama will never be an option for us …
Our conscience points us to MCCAIN if Hillary is not the nominee ..
The Democrats deserve to lose the White House is they put up Obama as their nominee …

The Democrats deserve to lose the White House is they put up Obama as their nominee …
Posted by: kerry | May 24, 2008 3:04:13 PM
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And you deserve the consequences of voting for McCain.

Yavo Lem,
Your numbers do not reflect the TRUE Popular vote.
They do not reflect the votes of Millions that voted in the Caucuses. Every network has reported on this. Once you include those numbers, Obama is ahead in the popular vote…. Sorry.

Kerry I want them all what an aqq you are,you are quite the blogger ….You get a d- in my book.Does that tell you something are you smart enought to figure that out???????

Sorry Dems united, but you mistaken about the popular vote yourself?

Kelly,
Well, you mean like how the media jumped on Obama when he mispeaks?? Or how they flooded the networks with Wright after he resurfaced instead of talking about the issues? I’ll bet you didn’t mind them diverting from the “issues” then, did you?
Payback is a…..

I am tired of the blackmail of the women for Hillary.
I am tired of them assaulting everything Obama says and excusing everything Clinton says.
I am tired of them blaming their plans for voting for McCain on the Obama followers.
I am tired of them all.
I wish them well living in a US ruled by Bush lite, but like their meglomaniac leader, they don’t care about anyone or anything.
Blackmail and threaten away. You reveal more about yourself than you realize.

bill clinton did not speak at the mmm
he was in texas, at the university of texas, and i encourage all of you to google bill clinton’ speech in texas on mmm day.
it was a wonderful speech.
it did talk about race relations.
but it REALLY SPOKE OF A UNITED PEOPLE.
and gave concrete ways to bring this about.
what i do not understand is all of these obama supporters who now hate the clintons and everything they stand for,
and discount everything (especially-the black obama supporters) they discount everything the clinton have tried to do to level the playing field for blacks and poor people.
but in one breath you are running the clintons down, and in another you are quoting, or using them as some standard to support some foolishiness you are trying to sell about obama.
for example the mmm-bill clinton spoke at the mmm (he did not) but why invoke his name, in trying to legitimise the mmm.

Hillary is showing signs of depression. Please someone help her.

Senator Obama is the most corrupt politician running for office in the last 100 years. He started out with the terorist Bill Ayers sponsoring his political coming out party and his current campaign is just as dirty. His supporters don’t care that he is dishonest, they have the same mental and moral handle. He is a radical left wing extremist who will say and do anything to get elected. If he is elected we will become a total socialist state with terrorist holding high office. THIS IS SO SAD FOR AMERICA. Bring on Hillary Clinton.

Anybody trying to defend Hillary for this inexcusable comment must be sharing the same hope for assassination with her. The best any Hillary supporter should do is to keep mum and pray that this fury dies down. Defending it amounts to fanning the embers of the controversy. Please my fellow Hillary supporters, be quite!

Clinton’s statement was idiotic for all of the reasons discussed so far. However, I do agree that I don’t think she INTENDED it to refer to assassinating Obama. I think she was trying to transfer sympathy for RFK to her own campaign. She was just using the RFK memory to grab the emotion from people and convert that into sympathy for her. That’s how she gets a lot of votes – EMOTIONAL REACTION of people protecting her when she cries, or when she feels picked on for being white, or defending the plight of her fellow hard-working white blue collar American patriots, or now, the martyr.

sadstateofaffairs,
thanks for that article.
i saved it to read in nov.
it has been a shameful time for our country, and we have forgotten that the rest of the world is watching.
i don’t think obama and his crew have thought about how the rest of the world leaders who are our friends will take to mr. obama after having watched how he and his people work.
a sad commentary for sure.

I think Obama has strongly proven to be a leader; and someone who is ready to be president-by rising above the issue, which was bound to divide the party further, remember Hillary’s gaffe was as a result of trying to tie Obama as one of ‘those who have wanted her out of the race since Iowa”..
I have been a Hillary supporter all this time, and even volunteered for her campaign on super tuesday; but his stand today just won him one vote. I have faith that as a progressive leader; he will remain steadfast in defending women’s rights. Hillary on the contrary is creating huge hurdles for any woman who intends to run for such a high office in future. I pray that she realizes that she is hurting many.

obama and the far-left may have succeeded in kicking sen. clinton out of the dem. party. it is about time to have another viable third party.
obama will not become POTUS not this year and not in four years

what i fail to understand is why so many people feel the need to say such hostile things about the other candidate while pretending that thiers is gods gift to america. people democracy is a flawed system(but it works) so we will have a flawed candidates. until people realize this and accept the candidates on what their positions are instead being black or female or wether or not we like the way they have thier hair his will never end.
say what you want about obama but hes is the only one out of all the candidates who has not changed his position on an issue just to get a few more votes. the people who do that are only looking out for themselves and once elected will do whaytever they want.wether you agree with his positions or not or dont even know what they are at least he has positions and wont switch up on us like mcain and hillary have.for you to not vote for him just becouse he beat ur candidate is so childish u should not even be allowed to vote GROW UP AND THINK!!

Didn’t Rober Kennedy Jr. say that he wasn’t offended. Get over it!
It was a historical reference. Who cares, once again the media is distracting the public from the real issues.
Have you looked at the state of the economy lately. I am still waiting for Senator Obama to say something of substance, something tangible.
We need more that a “fel good” President.
THe talking heads in the media don’t care about this country. All they care about is their paychecks.
Why is anyone who critizes Obama, imediately called a racist? It is ridiculous, the whole process has become exhausting.
If Senator Obama is the nominee, John McCain will be President. End of story.

She is more sophisticated than we think. I remembered her comparing her staying in the race with the case of Zimbabwe elections and everyone crying foul.
I read about Tsvangirai who is the opposition candidate to president Mugabe and who plans to go back to Zimbabwe in june to deal with the issue of the support he receives of the popular vote.
In a way she raises the issue of violence and one is more compelled to compare her with Tsvangirai who as profiled by NY Times is “a Flawed but Enduring candidate” even more so since she is not the front-runner who is BO.
Like Tsvangirai whose supporters are under attack for supporting his candidacy, she signals violence because of the eventual outcome of the nominee race in case it doesn’t meet with the expectations of BO supporters.
Anyway she signals violence which is there through the way a lot of BO supporters express their hate towards her, which is insane.
Mentioning the assassination of Bob Kennedy which is a historical fact is signalling the condition of her staying in the race as creating tension and could be violence if she overturns the case by gaining popular votes.
The reactions of BO supporters show indeed a lot hate and contained violence directed towards her. And in fact, like Tsvangirai she is rather a moderate candidate. Who by the way supports the assassination of Bob Kennedy?
Wake up folk and be more realistic, BO supporters you are the ones to practice character assassination against her.

Bloomberg for president

Macabre annd cancerous Clinton
hopes that misfortune will
befall her opponent in June.

If you can’t hear a word from Sen. Clinton objectively, without putting misogynistic media spin on it, then don’t listen her. She and other pundits of history, have been making the same observation and comparison of how Bobby Kennedy and Bill Clinton continued to campaign into the month of June. You might be offended by it but the Kennedy clan is not. Please read Robert Kennedy’s statement below:
Statement from Robert Kennedy Jr.: Re: Bobby Kennedy Comments
Statement from Robert Kennedy Jr.
Robert Kennedy Jr. issued the following statement this evening (Saturday, May 25, 2008)
“It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband’s 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense.”
Why do you continue to let the media fill your head with lies and innuendos about the Clintons…especially, you people 50 and over? Please tell me what has happened to your memory? Have you conveniently forgotten about the “Clinton Golden Years” when unemployment was at 4.5%, but wages were higher when adjusted for inflation. In other words, we are now working harder for less! I also remember when we could travel anywhere in the world without being spat on because we are Americans.
I know the Clintons track record on getting things done. However, I have no I idea, and neither do you, on what Obama can do! Oh yea, he gives real pretty speeches, he motivates, “he can reach across the aisle, work with the opposite party (that was a George Bush spin), and he can walk water.
Well people, I can not live off of pretty motivational speeches, I can go get that from my minister at church. And I certainly don’t see, the most liberal Jr. Senator in Congress working harmoniously with conservative Republican Senators. In other words, “he can’t walk water”.

Jake,
Your argument of the Fallacy of Clinton analogy is correct for what it is, but the point she succeeds to make somehow is that violence involved in politics shows how democracy is still a fight to put on the agenda for this coming election .
I don’t blame her, because she has been the target for a while now. The Fallacy of BO supporters lies in their belief that she suggests the assassination of his candidate whereas they Are the ones who have been Assassinating her character.

Hillary had a Freudian slip. I’m sure these discussions have been going on inside of her campaign “bubble” and she’s so enmeshed in her “fight” that she can’t see the big picture. I actually think she’s losing it a bit… She’s been campaigning for over a year straight with 3-4 hours of sleep per night, and she’s desperate. She’s starting to remind me of Gollum from Lord of the rings, and the presidency is her “precious”.

As a Hillary supporter I think the time has come for all of us to admit that the goal of Hillary winning the nomination is all but over. I’ve had that feeling for quite some time now but I guess there is some denial to deal with. The breaking point for me was her comment regarding Bobby Kennedy. That was way over the top, unnecessary, hurtful to the Kennedy family and their supporters and in all honesty a terrible thing to suggest happen to Obama. The time has come to put this party back together so we can defeat John McCain under the leadership of Barrack Obama.

To Rick from PA:
Please get your head out of the sand and check what is going on in the world! Your information that you cited has many errors and misquotes! It is almost the same as the misquotes of “Hillary”. I am concerned that she has repeated so many untruths so regularly that she not only has a mass of people believing these lies, but she is believing them herself. When Mrs. Clinton initially came out for the presidential nomination, I was really supportive for her, and proud that a woman was running for president. However, after she began to show signs that she would do anything, and I do mean “anything” to get the nomination, I began to have some doubts about her ethics and ability to lead a country. Now, after she has created such divisiveness in the party, and sullied a name that was yet in good standing despite all of the slander hits when her husband was in office. Because they both began to use toilet politics, I am through with both of them, and I think about half of the country would like to see her step aside and let someone who has run an efficient and meaningful campaign proceed. At this time, she is showing signs of a sore lose, a spoiled brat, a bully, and a person who thought that she could run on name only, and walk into the whitehouse without much work. Those of us who used to hold the Clinton name in high esteem, now look at the name with a sickening realization that all of their “concerns for the people” were just a cover-up to their desire to be in the whitehouse!

Pro BO propaganda or anti-Clinton reflex?
None of this makes your candidate look better. The dirt that comes out through your words only darkens your heart and your thoughts.
It’s a good thing these blogs exist, thank you Jake, to allow these people to save some money not going to the psycho analyst therapy by instead blogging here.

Is Michelle Obama calling her husband “the savior”?
They can’t look to any one individual, whether it’s Barack or it’s the next new hope that’s going to appear to be that savior. And I would just hate for people to sort of see this potential and think: Oh, now I can rest easy because Barack Obama is going to fix things. It doesn’t work that way.”

further, a portion of her ‘answer’ on this issue invoked that the Obama campaign had been calling for her to quit. I’ve been following this closely, there has not been a call from the candidate, nor the campaign for her to quit. So, this is another of her ‘poor me, they are picking on me” moments. I would think women would be offended at how many times she has played that card.

Do you see a common theme here?
“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.” Rev. Jeremiah Wright
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know – there’s a reaction in her that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way and that’s just the nature of race in our society.” Barack Obama

And I dare Obama to put her on the ticket as VP. The way we republicans hate her, she will be the force behind our get-out-the-vote efforts. We won’t even have to raise any money or advertise. Hillary on any ticket with her 40% disapproval rating means she’s an automatic loser. She can never get that number to go any lower, only higher.

We are all like sheep led to the slaughter – We read a “headline” and immediately jump on that obvious biases it espouses, as LONG as it espouses for our candidate or against the other one. I have been reading and blogging on the CBS board since this election started. And one thing is glaringly clear: the democratic party will rip itself apart with their own hatred. They won’t have to worry about hating Bush anymore – they hate each other and that’s sad.

As a former Hillary’s supporters, I can’t believe the ignorant comments I read on this blog. First of all, I am so glad I change to Barack Obama in time to vote for him in the primary. When he spoke to the reporters, he told them that he took Hillary at her word because they had been on the campaign trail for more than 15 months. He also said that he doesn’t believe Hillary meant anything by her comments.
Hillary wouldn’t have given him the same courtesy if he had made those same comments. She would have buried him by saying he wanted her killed along with many other off the wall rhetoric. How I know she would have done that because when he made the bitter comments, Hillary was the first one to do a commercial about his comments and ridicule him in all her stump speeches. Hillary wants everybody to take her at her words she misspeak but when Barack misspoke she didn’t take at his word but she tried to use it against him. Barack doesn’t do to her what she does to him. That is a man who has leadership skills and she is a woman with none. I know the supporters who still want to believe that she is the next best thing since wonder bread, can see that Hillary is not presidential material but yet they don’t care because they have such hatred toward a man who has never done anything to them. It is said that we have those type of people in our society. Even though I don’t support Hillary anymore, I still don’t hate her. I just don’t like the way she has behaved in this race.

Let us stop beating around the
bush. What Ms. Clinton said is
this: She wants to dance the
Dance of Death over the dead
body of her opponent and claim
the nomination which she has
deluded herself into believing
is her birthright.

The Caucus Blog from the New York Times has just posted the VIDEO of the interview of Hillary Clinton by the Argusleader.
Her statements that come at the end of the interview as originally recorded are totally put out of context.
Not a second it’s aimed at BO. Nor the emphasis put on the assassination element. It says what it says : Bob Kennedy went into June campaigning until he was assassinated. The whole matter was about her not understanding why she has been pushed out, and what are the strategies.
The whole discussion about her evil intention through out the media and quick negative response, shows once more that real detractors are people own bias.
Maybe one has to start doing the brain cleansing before being able to think and see clearly, only then one can talk about choosing a candidate.
Bias, bias , alas, alas, and don’t ask why.

To anyone on this Blog who posted that Senator Obama has said Ms. Clinton should leave this race: Please cite one specific time he actually said that. I expect there will not be one post that can do that. Hillary’s assertion in that fated interview,that her opponent, meaning Senator Obama, wanted her to drop out, jumped out as false just as much as her following remarks. He never has stated that. At any time. I am sure his graciousness towards her in this matter has infuriated her to invent this scenario. End of story. Well, I’m sure it’s not the end of her story……..it is a never-ending-story of why she lost, or is losing, or whatever, Hill.

“As far as the Democratic Party rules go, Clinton has every right to stay in the race as long as she wants.”
At least 50% of Democrats party believe this to be a true statement.
There need not be any more over-analysis on the minutiae of Hillary’s comment. In fact, to do so is absurd. Clinton was not contemplating some new law of physics here that requires us to delve so freakin’ deeply into how the proof works. It was simply one of many examples of a long lasting primary contest. The press is wrong yet again.

Clinton didn’t need Perot to win in 1992, because Perot took voters from both Clinton and Bush. In 1996, however, Clinton wanted Perot to run because that year, the dynamics were different and Perot mostly took votes away from Dole.

Senator Clinton should know that as a member of white privilege she has no right to make any statements that might directly, indirectly, or tangentially make the Sensitive Obama vulnerable on any historical, racial, ethical, or metaphorical fronts.

Stella | May 25, 2008 3:10:02 PM:
Obama doen’t have to say anything negative about his competitors; he uses his underdogs… like you… to get the word out.
That’s how he got his title “Teflon Man”; all of his dirt slides off of him.
…but just below the surface, that smell is building up intil like oil, it will bubble up through the soil and climb his skinny form until it gains purchase on a chink in his armor and
VOILA! you will see him for the untrustworthy. ethcailly questionable politician he truly is.
BE CAREFUL WHO YOU WISH FOR.
BE VERY VERY CAREFUL.

So (Tavis),.. let me get this straight,.. as an African
American, who wore a uniform for four years in defense of my country, and fought in a foreign war,
you are telling me that, we have so many (RACIST), in
America, that we could never elect an African American.
As a result we should really consider who would be the best candidate to defeat a white man, (John Mccain) , the only person left standing, a white
woman, (Hillary Clinton). Thanks Tavis for letting me know how it works in America. I’ll remember that the next time I’m in a fox hole, in defense of my country . By the way (Tavis ), have you ever been in a fox hole in defense of our great country?

If this was the first and only reference to assassination it may have been a mistake. It wasn’t. Also, RFK hadn’t even JOINED the race until 6 months before that June. It’s not like he’d been campaigning for a year, like Hillary.

The Clintons are master politicians. Everything they say/do has is calculated and serves a ulterior/political purpose. The ‘white voters’ comment was made for a specific reason…The reason/results of/for the racial comment were evident in WV & KY results. The Kennedy remark was intentional, and the Clintons hope, enabling. The Clintons are red-neck trash. They’ve used black people at every turn. He would not have been elected, nor would he have survived in office after Monica, without black people. What the Clinton refuse to accept is that a BLACK MAN beat ‘em down. They are in denial, desparate, and it shows. It is what it is; They are who they are! Now we know. Let’s move on.

I am voting for McCain, as I’ve intended all along. It does my heart good to know that all the baby-killers out there (like Obama and less so Clinton) are making it so easy for my candidate to win in November.
Please, please, all you Hillary supporters, stay true to your word and vote for McCain. We can finally appoint the Supreme Court Justices to end Roe vs. Wade, and stop nedlessly killing the unborn.

As a practicing astrologer, I can attest that that comment may be truer than you realize and not quite inapt. Of course Hillary doesn’t realize it, but what she said was a psychic slip of the tongue. All along I’ve believed that her birthtime is 8:10 am. That puts Uranus in her 8th house with Pisces on its cusp, signs of psychic ability. She is very intuitive. She is
subconsciously pulling from the Akashic records. She is rather innocent
actually. However a look at Obama’s chart has transiting Uranus moving to oppose his natal Mars. Interpretations are subtle with this but he very well could be in the proverbial and actual crosshairs. Both upcoming eclipses activate his chart, and he will be in danger for a year or more. Hillary’s comments were obvious to any reasoning person, a reference to a timeline. However the Obama thugees like this article’s author strive to make it an issue. A warning. It is the intransigence and vitriol coming from Obama’s supporters that is adding karmic weight to the scales. All that continued negativity spewed on his behalf will be more responsible for the blood to be spilled than some misconstrued comment by her. Sad.

Clinton is reeling from disbelief that she is not going to capture the Democratic nomination. Her calculations were based on absoluted false assumptions. The primary season has become so surreal that it makes me worried the Republicans might have a chance to succeed. Well, not to worried, though, because it will take them until spring 2009 to realize they had needed to separate the Siamese twins Bush/McCan’t for anything close to a prayer. That said, hold tight everyone. Clinton is going down, by her own hand and her family’s (thank you, Bill). Let’s have “hope” transcend hubris this election cycle.

RFK referenece that she made was at 3PM NY time. It seems she has no experience nor judgement either at 3AM or 3PM – good bye hillary, have place in history by quiting now !

as a white ron paul supporter, i find it revealing that ardent clinton supporters will cross party lines to vote Bush-lite. I am a Republican considering voting Obama against 100-more-years-in-Iraq McCain. If race is not the reason Clinton supporters are defecting to McCain, what is? Certainly not the issues. “Democratic hypocrisy exposed” should be the headlines of some of these blogs. I guess the racists aren’t exclusive to my party after all.

Obama’s smear campaign? As someone who appreciated both Clinton and Obama until Clinton went negative, if Obama is running a smear campaign it is being very cleverly hidden. Please give specific examples of his “smear” campaign.

One of the great characteristics of a GOOD leader is to learn by one’s mistakes, and do not make them again. In Hillary’s case, we have the LBJ vs MLK Jr mess in New Hampshire; the snipper firing issue; and now the RFK pronouncement. Do not think that she has learned anything, and has a tendency to say or do anything that will perpetuate her position. Hillary is sinking both her, and her husband’s legacy with demonstrated stupid moves.

There are several problems with the argument in this post. Far more than I have the time to fully address here. But here are some of the highlights:
1. It falsely claims that Bill Clinton’s major competitors had dropped out by April; but it leaves out Jerry Borwn who finished second and actually contested California in June of 1992. It is amazing that Jerry Brown could finish second in the race ahead of all the “serious competition” without being serious competition himself. Clinton in fact debated Brown several times leading up to the Calfornia primary. How nice of Bill to be willing to debate someone who was not serious competition.
2.Suggesting that the nomination process is different today than in 1968 is irrelevant to the point Clinton was making which was that it is not atypical for a candidate to not have more than a few months to wage a general election campaign. The issue in 1968 was that there were deep ideological divisons within the Democratic Party so to claim the lenght of the primary is what hurt the party is ridiculous. Even if the nominaion had been decided early the party would still have had serious divisons. That is not the case this year. Furthermore, both Gore and Kerry wrapped up the nomination quickly in 2000 and 2004 and lost due to the time the Repubican attack machine had to work on them. Deciding a nomination early is not promise of November success. The biggest threat to the party is the disrespect that the Obama camp and the media has paid to the Clintons. This story is but one example of that.

For those of you who think that the June date makes sense for Hillary not dropping out, let me ask you this: If there are not enough delegates left for her to come out ahead, then exactly what is she hoping happens between now and later? It cannot be the electoral process that makes her the nominee, nor can it be a hope that the superdelegates go her way, as it is obvious that ain’t gonna happen. So her entire strategy depends upon something bad happening to Obama. That’s what most of us find so disgusting about what she said.
She’s bending the truth, putting forth a dishonest statement about why she’s staying in the race. When 60% of the electorate thinks you’re a liar, telling mroe lies will not win them over!

The problem is that there is no end to the logic of continuing the candidacy. HRC says she is a fighter and not a quitter and that she owes it to her supporters and women everywhere to continue her candidacy.
By this logic, she cannot give up in June after the primaries. She must continue to fight until the convention afterall superdelegates can change their minds.
And even after the convention, she must continue to fight. Why should she quit just because Obama is the nominee? It is her right to run as an independent third party candidate. 1992 proves this.
And if she loses the General Election? No. She must not quit! She must continue to fight. She must take her supporters into the hills of Appalachia and fight on (they have the guns already) until the White House is won. She surely owes her supporters that much. West Virginia and Kentucky have the right to secede under the Constitution.
As we know, even sitting Presidents can be assassinated. She needs to ready to step in and save the nation.

The ONLY reason HC is staying in is to guarantee Obama’s defeat and thereby increase her chances in 2012. Anything else the Clintons say is absurd.
As a lifelong Democrat, I for one will not forget…

Hmm, De Troyes, are you saying Obama is now “inevitable”?

Bottom line – Kennedy and Clinton were still in the race in June ’92 and ’68, a race that had not been decided, and the general elections were in Nov.
So what is the real story here? More whiney pretend journalists trying to incite pressure for Hillary to drop out.
I wonder what these pseudo reporters will be saying after Puerto Rico when Hillary has won the popular vote of all the primarys, even when FL and MI are excluded from the totals.
The headlines will read “Hillary Wins Popular Vote Yet Still Won’t Drop Out”.

Hillary is having a tantrum and her idea
of how a Presidential candidate behaves
is very sad. I have heard people lie before but she takes the cake maybe the
whole bakery. She just can’t face the
fact that people don’t like her.
Her husband doesn’t like her. If he did
he would not use her as a door mat.
She might make a good door mat but not
an adequate President not even close.
Get out and find a corner somewhere and
whine and whine and whine and take that bum with you.

What I’ve truly found strange about this whole and continuing election process is the total disregard of what happened back in January, February, and March when the majority of states had their contests and Obama built his lead. Now the race after a see-saw April and May is at pretty much the same place it was two months ago with and here is the big point 3 and only 3 contests remaining. 51 of the 53 (just guessing) contests are done, tallied, and in the books. While the Clinton campaign wants to tell the American people something to the effect of “don’t count your chickens before the eggs have hatched,” isn’t about time that we look and wonder what they possibly expect to happen when there are only three remaining unhatched eggs. I’m not looking to the future or the distant past I’m only looking at this year and thats where the nomination was won and lost.

What can I say about the Clintons in general, they are a decitful pair or politicians with no regard to class of ethics. All of you blogging on this site saying that you would never vote for Obama probably would not vote for Obama anyway, you are waisting good space. Of the women or men out there that are democrates I would give a little thought to a McCain presidency over Obama by one measure. One possibly two Supreme Court Justices will be picked by the next president. Do you really want more conservative justices on the court to overturn Roe vs Wade or many of the other long faught democratic issues. Think about that possibility before casting your vote.

The only way Clinton can win the popular vote is to count Florida and Michigan, two states where she had a brand name, no one campaigned in either state and Obama didn’t even have his name on the ballot in Michigan. Believe me they won’t count those votes, the delegates will be divided in parts and Obama will still have the deciding delgates. The bottom line is Clinton ran a bad campaign, Obama ran a good campaign, simple as that. The Clinton machine just wasn’t what it was hyped to be, period.

HRC is a pathological liar – like her husband before her. She committed the ultimate Freudian slip and no amount of backtracking, vitriol, or media spin can change it.
Clinton lost the nomination because she ran a poorly organized campaign, was out-strategized, and out-funded.
It’s time for people to stop making excuses for her deplorable behavior and Orwellian campaign tactics.

It seems someone doesn’t LIKE what I have to say considering my “contributions” are being deleted with regularity. (lol)
The fact is “Ed” isn’t a Democrat at all. You can tell by the way he posts. He is clearly a professional blogger because ONLY THEY equate being taken to task for saying 2+2=5 with persecution. Well…at least SELLING the idea that it does.

I’ve never posted on a blog before in my life, but after the comments I’ve seen here I felt compelled to write. I’ll put my bias out front: I am an Obama supporter. More than that, though, I am a Democrat who believes that we must do better.
Part of doing better means understanding the truth. There seem to be three misconceptions among the posters, two minor and one major.
1) Obama and the media are not one, nor are they always united. It was the media that whipped up this RFK frenzy; the Obama camp explicitly said that they, like many of his supporters, assumed the sinister reading of Hillary’s remarks were unintended and forgave her. Also, we seem to have forgotten that it was just a few weeks ago that Obama was being skewered by this very same media for Reverend Wright and his “bitter” comments. I didn’t notice many Hillary supporters complaining.
2) This bit about Obama “buying” the primary. Yes, Obama outspends Hillary, and yes, this gives him an advantage. However, the money he is spending is not money from lobbyists nor is it money from his own bank account (which is a good deal smaller than either Hillary’s or McCain’s). Obama’s “money-making machine” is nothing more than people who believe in his message. Which brings us to the major misconception.
3) Hillary and McCain are not similar. Hillary and Obama are. Hillary and Obama both believe in ending the war in Iraq, fixing the health care and education systems, and improving the lives of the middle class. Unlike the Democratic candidates, John McCain will leave our troops in Iraq, will do nothing to fix our health care crisis, will honor the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy instead of easing the taxes of the middle class, and will probably appoint conservative Supreme Court judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade. Your call.

Ag, you wrote: “(Sen. McCain) will honor the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy instead of easing the taxes of the middle class…”
You might want to do your homework instead of blindly believing the Liberal talking points. The 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts have actually eased the tax burden of the middle class. Not only were the bottom two tax rates of the federal income tax, 15% and 28%, lowered to 10% and 15%, respectively, but the per-child tax credit was doubled to $1,000.
And here is further proof. In 2000 the top 1% of the nations’s wage earners accounted for 37% of the total income tax revenue; and the top 5% of the nation’s wage earners accounted for 56% of the total income tax revenue. Yet by 2005 — after the so called “tax cuts for the wealthy” — the top 1% of the nation’s wage earners accounted for 39% of the total income tax revenue; and the top 5% of the nation’s wage earners accounted for 60% of the total income tax revenue. That is a 2% and 4% INCREASE, respectively, in their share of the total income tax revenue for those two groups. Incidentally also in 2005, the top 50% of the nation’s wage earners accounted for 97% of the total income tax revenue. The lower 50% of the nation’s wage earners were “burdened” with just 3% of the total income tax revenue.