By Saira Anees

May 15, 2008 1:04pm

The Victim Card

FROM GUEST-BLOGGER RICK KLEIN, OF ABC’S THE NOTE

There’s an interesting subcurrent developing to the Clinton campaign’s efforts to wrest delegates out of the disputed votes in Michigan and Florida.

My former Boston Globe colleague Joan Vennochi reports in her column this morning that a group of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s female supporters are "playing hardball politics" to get DNC Chairman Howard Dean to acknowledge that votes in those state deserve to be counted.

"During a private meeting last week, a group of Massachusetts women asked the chairman of the Democratic National Committee to confront the ugliness of sexism, just as Democrats are confronting the ugliness of racism as a result of Barack Obama’s presidential bid," Vennochi reports.

Clinton supporter Deb Goldberg tells Vennochi: "The proof is in the pudding. What does Howard Dean do . . . based on our conversation with him?"

What they want Dean to do is step in and award delegates based on the elections in Michigan and Florida. The DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee gets the next word — if not the final word — on the subject, at the end of the month.

A group of Clinton’s female supporters has launched a Website aimed at getting the Democratic Party to reconsider its decision to strip Michigan and Florida of convention delegates.

And there’s this from former President Bill Clinton, on the trail Wednesday, dialing up the full outrage over the treatment of states his wife won: "I just ask you all this, do you really believe Florida would be getting this kind of treatment if the vote had turned out the other way?" Clinton said, per ABC’s Sarah Amos.

Well, yes. Far be it from me to divine the former president’s meaning full here — but how does the situation in Florida and Michigan relate even a little bit to who won the state?

You can agree or disagree with the Democratic National Committee’s decision to punish Michigan or Florida for jumping the line, but to equate that with sexism or any other kind of prejudice against Clinton simply isn’t accurate.

As has been discussed numerous, numerous times, both Clinton and Obama were very aware of the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates. The rules were put in place long before the voting began, without regard to race, sex, or anyone’s regard for Clinton, Barack Obama, or any other politician, living or dead.

As Jake has noted, Harold Ickes — a top Clinton adviser, and one of the leading voices calling for delegates to be awarded from the two rogue states — voted for the delegate penalty, back when it wasn’t clear who would win.

It sure sounded like Clinton knew what she was getting into on the even of the Michigan primary — where her name remained on the ballot, and Obama had his removed.

"It’s clear: This election they’re having is not going to count for anything. I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot," Clinton told NPR.

What has been clear is that both campaigns are making arguments that fit their needs. Clinton wants Michigan and Florida to count because she’d gain delegates; Obama doesn’t want them to count, because he’d lose some of his lead. Obama wants the will of the voters — via the pledged delegates — to be the final word; Clinton wants the superdelegates to be free to make a different judgment.

The delegate debate regarding Michigan and Florida will all play out the way it should, before the Rules and Bylaws Committee, May 31.

But Vennochi seems right on this point: "The Hillary Nutcracker is sexist. Keeping Florida and Michigan out of each candidate’s primary vote tally is not. It’s hardball politics."

– Rick Klein

User Comments

Hillary/Bill wasn’t crying when they agreed not to seat the delegates in those two states because they thought they had the nomination clinched. But when the fight started and they see they have lost now they want to go against what they agreed on to win. Sore Losers!!!!!! They are a bad representation of the democratic party!!!

Posted by: J P | May 15, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

Hilary and her Amazon crew will stop at NOTHING to steal the nomination for the Clintons. What a disaster it would be if they are successful. The popular vote, the elected delegates, the decided super delegates, the number of states won, now John Edwards all favor Obama. Stomping your feet and making demands might work in other contexts; hopefully it will fail when the DNC meets on 31 May.

Posted by: sophillyfatz | May 15, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

Irregardless, not counting two states in this nomination will be a stain on the democratic party. Rules or not, it’s just not right. It doesn’t feel right. What’s winning if you did it in an unethical way. Obama’s camp better think long and hard. Maybe it won’t matter, but either way, all votes should count.

Posted by: A reader in Georgia | May 15, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

No sweat! Hillary will run as an Independant if the DNC boys are striping her as a woman from the nomination

Posted by: Olysey | May 15, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

Something should be done though about Michigan and Florida. The real issue is to get to know who is going to have most support from the voters to secure a victory in November. Of course the problem was that the voting process was not complete.
After all it’s all about politics, and for now it’s within the party but comes November, it will be all out in the battle field with the republicans and no way the Democrat party will get the voters to happily follow their line if these voters cannot express their will during the nomination process.

Posted by: Jane | May 15, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

The DNC Rules Committee meeting won’t rule in her favor. Dean and all of the board members are fully aware of this.
Just another dog and pony show for Clinton.
After they split everything down the middle, then what will she whine about then?
It’s always something with Clinton. Somebody, please put the old donkey to pasture!
The good part is there are only two weeks left, and she’s gone anyway.

Posted by: Common Sense | May 15, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

Isn’t Hillary the one blocking the Michigan Compromise right now that would allow Michigan to have it’s delegates seated?
I think so.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 15, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

It’s un-American not to count votes or have a revote. Who would have thought it would be the democrats.

Posted by: Former democrat | May 15, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

So the DNC divests Michigan and Florida of duly chosen delegates, and yet they expect Michigan and Florida to vote in the Presidential election?!

Posted by: Luis | May 15, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

Maybe if Hillary cries on cue again, den maybe dey wiwl give it to her.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | May 15, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

It’s hilarious hearing mental midgets saying Clinton should run as an independent. Hmmmm, this lesson is free.
1. Clinton has to re-establish a new campaign and register in all 50 states by June 2nd. (She doesn’t have the money or the time considering having a current 20 million dollar debt from mismanagement of her current campaign)
2. Clinton knows which side her bread is buttered on and being independent would surely seal the coffin on her political career. Ask Lieberman what his chances are or getting re-elected?
3. Clinton will assume the position and get into formation like the good lil democrat she is and will fully support Barack Obama without hesistation. (That’s with or without the cynical 20%)
Class is over

Posted by: Common Sense | May 15, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

CANDIDATES WERE ALL TOLD ABOUT THIS BEFORE ANY VOTING BEGAN.
tHEY WERE ALL TOLD NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH EITHER STATE.
HILLARY BROKE RANKS BY NOT HAVING HER NAME REMOVED. WHAT PENALTY IS THE DNC GOING TO IMPOSE BECAUSE SHE BROKE RANKS?

Posted by: DAVID NH | May 15, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Sinmply, Hillary won’t run as Ind and Obama won’t win without Clintons..

Posted by: True Truth | May 15, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

Don’t worry people, MI and FL delegates will be seated. But, they will be seated in a manner that does not change the outcome of the nomination process. They will probably get half the delegates, but Mi and Fl will be represented.

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

There are The Democratic Party Rules which were clearly set out before the 2008 Nomination Race commenced. Then there are the Clinton Campaign Rules which Hillary and Harold Wolfson change each and every day depending on their desperation.
The Democratic Party should in no way be held ransom by Hillary or with the veiled threats from loyal supporters.
Hillary has the opportunity to put Party and Country first, she refused the offer and not cuts a sad figure claiming she can win a race that is lost.
The Democratic Party has to come Together and UNITE and deliver what the majority of Voters want CHANGE! and only Senator Barack Obama will deliver that nor McCain with four more years of Bush Policy and Wars!

Posted by: John B Sheffield | May 15, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

sorry – i’m black but if obama had won fl/mich and trailed clinton, and blacks supported him like they did in fl/mich (and please dont give me the name on ballot crap – blacks voted “uncommitted” 86 percent!) — then certainly the party would be taking this seriously. clyburn would be talking about how blacks would riot. others would be talking about how loyal blacks are…yadda yadda yadda. sorry jake — calling this the “victim card” is irresponsible, particularly, since Obama has worn that card more than any other presidential candidate in u.s. history. calling you candidate’s plan a “fairytale” became a racist plot. sorry, obama is the queen of victimhood.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

geevill, i saw that. isnt it ironic.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

geevill:
Why? Is Barack thinking of remarrying?
(I can understand why; Michelle could turn almost anyone off of women ;-)

Posted by: earful | May 15, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Tony the sourpuss in attempting to spin this against Obama.
Clinton’s supporting are crying VICTIM. Why do I always get the first question? Why are you asking me why I lied? I was tired.
How could you support such a liar and attempt to hold Obama to a higher level although he’s maintained himself well above the fray?
It’s clear who’s Presidential and it’s not the one in the PANT SUIT with missing CAJONES.

Posted by: Common Sense | May 15, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

obama has never fought a clean election in his life; why should he be expected to now?
If it would have been beneficial to him to give the citizenry of Florida and Michigan their votes back, he would have been on the dnc’s back for eons.
But since he appears to be winning, it’s perfectly ok with him to disenfranchise the two states-full of their right to elect the nominee of their choice!
(… and splitting the vote fifty fifty is just as shoddy!)
And THIS is who you want to lead your country?
Be careful who you wish for!
Be very very careful!

Posted by: earful | May 15, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

Look I’m a woman a black woman and this woman’s rights movement
IS a little strange because what about the Black woman..
No we are lump into the African American vote for OBAMA
To me the woman’ rights movement is forgetting that there are black woman in this world too..
They are just going to far..

Posted by: betty | May 15, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Michigan and Florida will beseated just as Terry McAuliffe Harold Ickes Rendell, the Clintons and the rest saw fit before with any close situation to this where they were not involved…
half of the vote will count…which is fairer than it should be to those two state Democratic Committees who had no respect for the rest of the states that played by the rules …those states who actually got to know the candidates… and whose numbers changed significantly because they actually got to know the candidates.
These states were not well informed enough to vote… (the numbers show that in EVERY state before the caniddates went to the state had similar numbers…after they campaigned…the numbers changed overwhelmingly toward Obama in almost every state)…
the state parties need to be taken out.
Period.
and the delegate count will reflect what the Clinton campaign thought was fair before it effected them not winning.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

They have been faithful to this party and if you can’t see a set up than our education system is really in trouble but I hope like me they feel no loyalty to this party and at this point if Obama loses in Nov he will just join the team of losers backing him What a lot of money this is costing Oprah and Bloomberg.

Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Except that i’m not black (sorry), I’m with Tony!
Well said!

Posted by: eyes wide open | May 15, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

earful
you think the OBAMA isn’t winning fair…the Clinton’s who have now gone back on the process that they helped create and used the voters in Michigan and Florida (becasue they sure didn’t care about them back when it counted…you know when she and rendell and mcAuliffe and ickes were putting together this whole deal)
Please don’t throw out something that just simply isn’t true.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

I agree that the voters in Florida and Michigan should not be counted. Why worry about a couple of millions voters; who cares what they think. It is the rules that count, and nothing else. We disenfranchised voters in 2000 and 2004 and no one did anything about it. All that matters is winning, right. I really like you Obama supporters. You are my kind of people.
Signed,
Karl Rove

Posted by: Eddie | May 15, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Bichop
don’t you mean what a lot of money the Clintons wasted down the toilet from …well from you.
Mismanagement, wavering and downright changing messages etc…
You invested in her I guess not the values…but now those values are suddenly with another term of Bush.
That’s very smart.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Eddie why should my vote and others be subjegated because a state didn’t get educated about the candidates and voted just like every other state would have had they not learned and met the candidates…everybody would have voted for the woman they knew as their first lady for 8 years.
Michigan and Florida would be hurting the process becasue they broke the rules…they did not get to go through what every other state did and then changed their numbers toward Obama.
Even if he didn’t win every state…he won the majority of them…from 20-30 points down before the candidates went there.
THAT is not democratic.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

DL: I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY. THE VOTERS BE DAMNED.
SIGNED,
KARL ROVE

Posted by: Eddie | May 15, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

The Victim Card?
Are you kidding me? Its obvious that Hillary has not had a level playing field in this race because she is a woman. What would you call the insistance that she drop out with less than 200 del behind (the CLOSEST RACE IN HISTORY)? Didnt stop Democratic MEN before her going to the convention with less. Kennedy 08 750plus behind?
Now, because BIGOTS dont have to be fair, you say she is playing the Victim Card.
What happens when the voters left start protest voting Obama for stealing the votes from MI and Florida, and turning his backs on the remaining races? What happens when the female vote shifts in Oregon, Kentucky ect because woman are disgusted with the way Hillary is getting treated? I know you dont have to think about this now…but I expect to hear you talking about it next week.
ELECTION 08- THE MADE FOR TV MOVIE.
Where your money gets fed right back into the media and you get to listen to smindless pundits telling you what to think…..for a full year.

Posted by: ali | May 15, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

This article is sexist. If this was an Obama article it would not be called “The victim Card”. This reference refers to women being weak when confronted with this issue about seating the MI and FL delegation. If you think the party will unite behind this kind of critisism, think again. Again, the media and their bias and sextist articles.

Posted by: Lois, California | May 15, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

Historically, this Democratic nomination season will always have an ASTERISK next to it because of the DNC’s failure to manage Florida and Michigan.
The DNC embedded itself as an ongoing story because of its lack of leadership, and a shortsightedness that is unacceptable and is nothing short of incompetant.
If the delegates are split 50-50, that will be a joke.
There were all kinds of plans where private funding would have allowed a revote in Michigan, but no, Obama’s backers in the Michigan state legislature block that from happening.
That is part of my problem with Obama. He has a history of not winning by really winning. He relies on technicalities and idiocy like this to put him over the top.
Why should I be proud to be a Democrat right now?

Posted by: sherr | May 15, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

While the spin doctors on all sides are debating, with thin logic and lots of hyperbole, how to ignore or “adjust” or distort the rules of the game, one group is being consistently overlooked:
Many voters in FL stayed home. They believed the DNC statements that votes in their premature primary would not count. Hence they didn’t bother to cast a meaningless ballot.
The Clinton crew will claim that, according to the math of the day, they would all have voted for her. The Obama camp will say something equally foolish. In the meantime, those voters have been disenfranchised by their own local party leadership, with the connivance of the Republocrits in the FL legislature.
Does anyone have a logical solution for this piece of the puzzle?

Posted by: Indy Pendent | May 15, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

FRED, 9TH: Your dream has ended, you wake up and Obama is POTUS.

Posted by: white male voter | May 15, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Reminder…
Women have long memories………
And a huge voting block
:)

Posted by: alison | May 15, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

young loyal…I totally agree…

Posted by: cindyct | May 15, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Hillary will not run as an independent because;
A. She’s broke and would not be able to raise the $ for campaigning.
B. She would risk pulling too many voters from Obama which would spell a loose for the democrats – this would ruin her political career if it isn’t already.

Posted by: white male voter | May 15, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

Young Loyal, and Proud Democratic:
I think some people dont like Michelle Obama because there informed on her past and given that information, she just looks like a black version of HIllary. Wal-mart. Buisness. Money. No ethics.
Of course that couldnt be true about Michelle Obama cause shes black, right? Give me a break.

Posted by: ali | May 15, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

The delegates will be seated and Obama will still win. In the end this will be much ado about nothing.

Posted by: SpaceCat | May 15, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

@formerHillary….
I’m very proud of my country.
But I am not very proud of my party.
As far as my vote, not to worry.

Posted by: sherr | May 15, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Bishop your anger and vote and “check for McCain” out of spite doesn’t help the soldiers…it doesn’t protect us from the increasing recruiting that the terrorists have seen, it doesn’t help the economy, it doesn’t help those without healthcare, it doesn’t help women, it doesn’t help our education system, it doesn’t get the right wing out of our government, it doesn’t get the waorld back at our table…
but it probably will feel good for your anger…
just probably won’t feel good in 4 years.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

I want my vote to count. I am from a caucus state and we abided by the rules. Hillary does not want to count my vote in her tally of the polular vote. Who does she think she is.

Posted by: The Unshrub | May 15, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

African American men won the right to vote decades before women did in this country…why shouldn’t an African American man become president before a woman?
Everything in its own time I guess.

Posted by: MJW | May 15, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

I hope she stomps him in KY because if he can’t win it now that he has a white guy with him and by out spending her 3to1 he is dead in the water.

Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

I believe that female Hillary supporters are making a mistake to push for her because of her gender. We should not be supporting a candidate based on gender or race. We need to choose our candidate based on their ideas and their personal characteristics. Looking at the total, Barack Obama is by far the best candidate for the presidency.

Posted by: carolyn | May 15, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

Eddie
If Hillary had gotten close enough it would have mattered…but she didn’t.
That’s like saying why should we count anything or remove anything…why does California votes count more than lets say Texas… why do democratic counties count more than non democratic counties…
well because we have to have rules.
and the Clinton campaign team actually made a lot of those rules.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

You Hillary folks are outstanding at twisting the truth – maybe even better than your candidate.
Everyone agreed that only 4 states were to permitted to have their primaries before Feb. 5, 2008 and Michigan and Florida were not among those 4 states. Period.
The DNC has the right to set the schedule of primaries for the selection of the candidate to represent their party. Period.
Allowing Michigan and Florida to ignore the scheduling rule sets the very dangerous precedent that any or every other state participating in future democractic primaries can simply disregard the DNC rules they disagree with and threaten to betray the party in the general if they aren’t given amnesty for the violation.
You short-sighted, self-serving, Hillary supporters care nothing about the damage you are doing to the party now or in the future. The whole point of having a governing body in the DNC to oversee the primary process is to make sure it is conducted in a “uniform” fashion. Individual states making up their own rules, as we go along no less, is a sure catalyst for pure chaos.
What happens in the next primary if 15 or 20 states decide they want to hold their primaries before Feb. 5. You’ve just turned the DNC into a paper tiger with no enforcement authority whatsoever. Good work Hillary-bots.
Besides which, there is the little matter of integrity and fair play. You do not get to change the rules of a game after the whistle is blown to start the match. You don’t get to demand a 30 second shot clock in the middle of game 7 of the NBA finals or a 5th down in the closing seconds of the Superbowl. The rules are the rules-its not about how people “feel”-grow up.
And all this nonsense about what Obama’s position would be had he won those states is ridiculous. What his position would be is irrelevant. What is relevant is the agreement reached through the rulemaking process that everyone, yes even Hillary, participated in before this mess. The campaigns all understood the rules and the only morally vacant individual unable to follow them was Hillary. Edwards, Richardson, and, yes Obama, had no problem keeping their commitments.
I know it sounds so naive, but what about the importance of integrity? or does it just matter who can win the bubba vote?

Posted by: Ray | May 15, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

Just because the Clintons did not get their way –they are now trying to change the rules to their advantage–bull. IF WOMEN FOR HILLARY DONT LIKE IT THAN ASK HILLARY WHY SHE VOTED FOR THE PENALTY IN THE FIRST PLACE.THE ANSWER IS THEY ALREADY KNOW BUT HAVE FALLEN IN THE TRAP ” SLICK WILLIE@ LYING HILLARY”SET FOR THEM. WHAT A BUNCH OF IMMATURE CRYBABIES –FACE IT LADIES–YOUR CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT IS ALL BUT WASHED UP AND YOUR ARGUMENT THAT SHE IS A WOMAN AND IS GETTING TREATED DIFFERENTLY IS AS OLD AS THE HILLS AND FRANKLY WEAK IN CONTENT.TRY BEING AN AFRICAN AMERICAN –THAN YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUSTIFIED IN THE ARGUMENT OF BEING MISTREATED. AND FOR THE RECORD–I AM A WHITE CAUCASIAN MALE BABY BOOMER WHO HAS SEEN ENOUGH RACIAL BIGOTRY TO LAST ME A LIFETIME–AND IT MAKES ME SICK. SO LADIES GO BACK AND EXAMINE YOUR CONSCIENCE AND GET IN THE REAL WORLD !!!

Posted by: Dan A | May 15, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

((Obama wants the will of the voters — via the pledged delegates — to be the final word))
The will of the voters is determined by the votes of the voters in all the states. Nothing less is acceptable to us Americans.
Florida and Michigan could have revoted to end this mess. Money was offered and all parties signed off except Obama.
A nominee without the votes or revotes of FL and MI is invalid.
I am not even a Clinton supporter, but I can see that MI/FL issue is going to lose us the election in November.
I have no idea why Howard Dean chose to strip all delegates instead of half as per the rules. But, it’s done. And now we HAVE to resolve this.

Posted by: Jamie | May 15, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

and also Eddie the reason they would count half …is that is the precedent…maybe you should check on that with terry Mcauliffe who was going to do the same thing 4 years ago.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

to Olysey
Will you stop trying to play the sexist card. This has nothing to do with Hillary being a women. It has to do with Hillary living up to her word. Or are you saying it’s ok for Hillary the woman to lie.

Posted by: The Unshrub | May 15, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

obama chose not to have his name on the ballot. kucinich kept his name on. why don’t you yell and hollar about him. The democratic party is no less fascist than that of the republican party. good luck in ’08 democrats. your decision on the 31st may put your candidate out.

Posted by: heh | May 15, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

I think DNC want Obama be nominee so they delay to count Michigan and Florida. Why Obama didn’t want to revote? He will pay price in November and Mcain will get Hillary’s supporters(I’m one of them). He also have a lot problems:
1. Look down on on small town.
2. His pastor and Bill Ayer.
3. HIllary’s supporters.
4. Lack of experience and judgment.
5. cannot get vote from blue collar working class.
6. Increase capital gain tax.
He is unelectable candidate.

Posted by: stephanie | May 15, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

dl
you are right I am pissed and I intend to stay that way and most of the service vote Republican .

Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

So…let me get this straight. It was o.k. not to have these delegates seated when she was 20something votes ahead in the polls last year, but now that she’s on her slippery slope it’s o.k. to flaunt the rules, just to boost her count? This is the person we want in the White House, NOT!

Posted by: rm | May 15, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

MJW: What have you been reading? Barack Obama is not full African-American. He is half black, half white. You need to read more about him. 100% Africans are in Kenya where he was born before being brought to Hawaii and registered there also. He is not black or white he is Mulatto so read up on the facts.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 15, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Folks this just the primary, the GE is a whole new ball game. I see the three main voting blocks of Obama getting neutralized or switching or not showing up.
The Black Voters. Like it or not the black votes for the black candidate will be heavily out numbered by rural white voters & Hispanics
The educated wealthy voters: The educated voters earn more money and will be swayed to McCain’s because he will continue the Bush tax cut for the wealthy. After all who doesn’t like to keep the hard earned money?
College kids: Now the hip-hop loving college kids. Well, they are just that with no guarantees.
If it’s Hillary the black (may be not the 90%, but a good majority) + Hispanics + Half of rural vote + educated women vote.
We still have a chance to correct this!!

Posted by: correcthismess | May 15, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Speaking of sexism… I love the fact that Obama was endorsed by NARAL on the same day he called that female reporter “sweetie”.
Obama thinks he can charm the pants off anyone (male or female).
His apology call to the reporter was just another example. He was “duly chastened” (oh my, flutter, flutter) and she should “feel free to call me back” (yeah right).
He is so smarmy I want to vomit.
Last night when he was introducing John Edwards, he was flirting with the crowd in Michigan. He made them feel SO special because he just felt SO bad about not campaigning there, he’d saved this moment JUST for them.
Puke. How can people fall for it?
I just wish that that Hillary supporter in PA — the one who he asked “what do I have to do? get down on my knees? I’ll give you a kiss” — I just wish she’d slapped him in the face for making the suggestion.

Posted by: Vnd | May 15, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

I don’t get it.
Why can’t they revote?
It is the right thing to do.
The party needs to find the money and do it.What, or who, are they afraid of?

Posted by: dan | May 15, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

If Dems think they can beat McCain, they are too naive….
The first attacks from Reps has been released:
1. Obama has to defend his tie with his Pastor again…
2. Obama has to defend his link to terrorist talk…
3. Obama has to defend his out of touch for white working class people…
Reps will be slowly painting Obama and more and worse will be coming…
Get ready??

Posted by: True Truth | May 15, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

The only people who are making this a male vs female issue are the Clinton supporters.
“If you don’t vote for Hillary, you’re a sexist!”
Well, I don’t vote for her, because she’s been my senator for eight years and done virtually nothing for our state.
Does that make me a sexist too?

Posted by: wolf | May 15, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

correctthismess
I was at a democratic gathering last night in NH and out of a hundred or so people that were there… which was almost all women and almost all over 50…I would say the majority had been Hillary supporters and maybe 10 or so Obama supporters…
almost everyone there said they were going to support Obama…and these are people that fought hard for Hillary in this state…
there was one “crazy loon” woman who was screaming about never Obama and she would vote for McCain…
she just made the Hillary supporters embarrassed that she was on their side.
Reasonable people want to save the country. They didn’t vote for Hillary just for Hillary.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Rogue state? You can kiss my suntanned butt. We changed Florida’s election time because we had a two-part property tax bill to pass and our constitution required more between the first vote (primary) and the second (general). In hindsight we should have moved the second vote back to December.
Don’t count us in this primary and don’t count us in the next. Don’t come around asking for contributions and keep out of our media. We can learn all we need to from the rest of the states, Guam and Puerto Rico.
By the way we chose wrong in the first part of the bill. That;s surprising given the high number of stupid voters that stayed home (i.e., democrats).

Posted by: Steve | May 15, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Party rules, by design, allow SD’s to choose the candidate. In this case, a single SD vote is worth thousands of popular votes. To some this may seem undemocratic, but it is, what it is.

Posted by: texasdemocrat | May 15, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

and Bishop you need to look at the numbers…
all those polls that look at mcCain vs. either of the dems… inherently already have the people who said they would switch in them… and those polls are in the heat of this primary
Obama with all the present anger in the midst of this (which will subside quite a bit if not all) still beats McCain.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

Please,let’s be objective in our comments. I’m disappointed by many of the comments that is making Obama the candidate responsible for the mess in Florid and Michigan. Clinton and her campaign machinery were part of the decision to disenfranchise these states. Her opponents took their names off the ballots and she kept them on. Who is playing the cheating game here?. If you are disappointed because your candidate is loosing is understandable but to blame your candidate’s opponent for being the cause of lose is downright cheating. The Clinton Campaign and supporters have thrown everything from race, patriotism to electability to discredit Obama. My support was for Hillary at the beginning but was turned off by her negative campaign methods. I think Mrs Clinton defeated herself with her antics.

Posted by: Martin | May 15, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

*FACTCHECK*
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
His mother was a white spiritual woman from Kansas.
His father was a black man, who left them when Obama was 2 years old.
Obama is a family man who has a strong Christian faith. These are the most important things that he clings to especially when he is looking for solice and strength.

Posted by: Eileen from Maine | May 15, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

Back in January/February, when I had to choose a new candidate to support, knowing Edwards was not going to make it, I looked at both Clinton and Obama.
What turned me off then about Hillary was her tendency to “play the victim” even with her early sense of entitlement. As the campaign has gone on this has gotten worse, to the point that I have lost all respect for both Hillary and Bill. The whining and sniping has been ridiculous!
I’m proud of my decision to support Obama, and I’m hopeful that when the whining and handwringing is over, we’ll all unite behind our nominee and prevent another four years of McBush!!!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: jackt51 | May 15, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

To Fred,
How can anyone criticize Obama for motivating “teenyboppers” (as you call them) for becoming engaged in the democratic process and getting excited about their civic duty?? I am 24 years old, and until this year I had been incredibly frustrated with the level of apathy and ignorance of my generation. I taught social studies to eighth graders, and believe me when I tell you that was the most demoralizing job when it came to hope for this country’s future. But now, so many young people are following the news, volunteering for political events, and registering new voters. And yes, this enthusiasm comes from a patriotic love of America, not false idol worship as you seem to suggest.
It’s not true that Obama is the most liberal senator, but it is true that McCain is the most militaristic. Down with King George III and his idiotic Double Talk Express!
Speaking of 12 steps, let’s review the steps to dealing with loss:
Denial–”It can’t be happening.”
Anger–”Why me? It’s not fair.”
Bargaining–”Let’s just change the DNC rules that all candidates agreed to back in 2007.”
Depression: “I’m so sad, why bother with anything?”
Acceptance: “It’s going to be OK.”

Posted by: TXCourtney | May 15, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

Well we all know that HRC is for “Hard Working Americans, White Americans”.
She needs to accept her race baiting fate. She is doomed as a politician and if you condone her actions then you are no better.

Posted by: Hank Jestor | May 15, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

steve
there are federal election laws in this country… the republicans and state republican officials could not “force” the democrats in Florida to vote against their parties wishes.
It may have been a difficult situation but that is WHY you elect officials. To fight for your voting rights.
The party rules were set up a long time before this all came down like this.
State party officials in many states had struggles with other officials, other states, other DNC members…
Yes they were challenged but they can not could not be “forced” to be removed from the primary schedule.
and that primary schedule was set up to make sure ALL states were not subjegated to the increase in others to want to heighten their importance.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

Dan A. You have not seen racism in this country as much as I have because I am much older than you. The racism started with this generation of blacks not the previous generation. Because a half black candidate is running for office the blacks will vote for him even if he had a prison sentence. And high school graduates are not uneducated. Many do not want to go to college, many college students are drop outs because they can’t master the courses, and 52% of your so called college educated students are on drugs. There many educated blacks in politics today as well as the whites. And several of them have endorsed Hillary so racism is up to the individuals themselves, Obama cannot solve race or his speech of uniting people. There is not such thing as the president united people. Telling the public lets all come together is like me winning the lottery. That’s a false statement Obama makes because it will not happen. And why did he go to a racist church for 20 years if he wants to unite people? That’s a 100% black church.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 15, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

To all of you ‘thirty somethings’ and have minimized women’s right to vote down to ‘bra burning’. Do you realize that it was a black woman that appealed to Dr. King to champion the cause of voters rights for minorities and women? He took up the issue and it took off for the blacks right to vote side stepping the issues of the Women’s right to vote. Do you realize how NEW the ratified RIGHT TO VOTE for WOMEN is in some states? Being thirty something means you wouldn’t have had the ‘State ratified RIGHT to Vote’ in these States until:
Florida (May 13, 1969)
South Carolina (July 1, 1969, after being rejected on January 28, 1920; not certified until August 22, 1973)
Georgia (February 20, 1970, after being rejected on July 24, 1919)
Louisiana (June 11, 1970, after being rejected on July 1, 1920)
North Carolina (May 6, 1971)
Mississippi (March 22, 1984, after being rejected on March 29, 1920)
Have an older sister? Then they might fall into this category.
Maryland (March 29, 1941 after being rejected on February 24, 1920; not certified until February 25, 1958)
Virginia (February 21, 1952, after being rejected on February 12, 1920)
Alabama (September 8, 1953, after being rejected on September 22, 1919)
So you see OUR right to vote is NOT an OLD issue. Sexism is alive and well.
It is a Rodham running for President that happens to be married to a Clinton.
Change is just a campaign slogan for Obama. Hillary was working for change as a college student going to states where you could be found dead in a burned out car for registering minorites, women, blacks and Latinos to vote. Hillary was chosen as the first student ever to give the commencement speech at her college graduation. The message? Change. One of her first jobs? As an advocate for children.
No it isn’t about burning your bra or baking cookies any more, it is about getting up everyday and doing something to make a difference.

Posted by: Linda | May 15, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Obama should focus on getting votes from the republican side, and the white trash from both sides should join McCain.
Obama 08 — all the way, you got my German vote.

Posted by: TheGerman | May 15, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Eileen: Fact check: The Kenya airport would not allow Obama’s mother to get on the plane therefore he born in Kenya before she was able to fly to Hawaii. Maybe she didn’t register him in Kenya that’s why he isn’t a citizen there. This was all checked out several weeks ago by a commentor and there were more facts about him.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 15, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Oh, I’m sorry I thought that the race was about who would be a better president, not sexism vs. racism. Is it a surprise that the party that promotes this type of reaction to everything is attacking itself now? How petty and spiteful. I’m a right-wing White Male, but I’ll tell you, I’d rather have Obama than McCain or Hillary, and no one was more surprised about that than me. The White candidates do not represent me, they haven’t for a long time. Obama will have to work harder as Black president, but maybe that will make him a better one.

Posted by: Mike | May 15, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

Awwww Mariann……..
You’ll whine and whine until the cows come home, won’t you?
Why did Hillary fail you?
Why did she mismanage her campaign into $20 mil in debt?
Why did she lie to your face time after time about Bosnian sniper fire?
Why is she last in:
delegates
popular vote (with MI and FL)
States won
Why are all of her formerly committed superdelegates moving to Obama?
These are the real questions you should be asking yourself. From there, you’ll be able to answer the questions about Obama.

Posted by: Common Sense | May 15, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

Hillary; first choice
McCain; second choice
Obama — NEVER

Posted by: Emily | May 15, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

If Hillary is not the nominee, then the time will have come for all of her supporters to do everything in their power to assist in the defeat of Obama and his minions in November. I agree with Emily:
Hillary; first choice
McCain; second choice
Obama; never

Posted by: Sally | May 15, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

dl: You are always so wrong. Hillary won in NH therefore they feel if she doesn’t get the nomination they would then vote for Obama in preference to McCain. I would vote McCain and there are a lot of Hillary’s supporters that would do the same. Many of the battleground states that didn’t want Obama to begin with might switch their vote to McCain which would throw the election for Obama. That is the good news.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 15, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Mariann: I agree with you. Better a centrist Republican, than an inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless and divisive Obama.

Posted by: Terry | May 15, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

Hillary supporters continue to make irrelevant arguments. None of them has addressed:
#1. Why the rules regarding disqualifying states holding their primaries before Feb. 5, 2008 should be suspended for Hillary?
#2. Why Hillary’s own statements that Michigan and Florida would not count should now be ignored?
#3. How in god’s name will the DNC be able to control the primary schedule the next time around when every other state decides to run their primary before Feb. 5th just for the hell of it?
Those are the issues ladies. I understand you feel you have been cheated but those are the issues.
We are a nation of laws and the force of those laws don’t turn on our whims or fancy. You are crippling the DNC in future democratic primaries and you don’t even see it.
The mess we have this year is nothing like the mess we will have in 4 or 8 years from now when Puerto Rico, Texas, and Ohio decide that Iowa and New Hampshire should take a back seat to them.
How can you do this to our party just to save the candidacy of one person? Help me understand.

Posted by: Ray | May 15, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

My post at 3:20 was taken from Obama’s site he also made robo calls in MI. so the votes should be counted.

Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

I guess they could not have held a re-vote

Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Let her have the delegates, already. I think Mr. Obama should come out and say boldly, “It’s unacceptable that the people of Florida and Michigan will not be represented at the conventioned, so I support Senator Clinton’s call for them to be seated.”
So what if it erases his lead? She will stand disgraced because everyone will know she only wanted them in order to catch up to him. Meanwhile, he will be the statesman, graciously handing her what is not fairly hers even though it may be to his detriment. There will be an asterisk next to her delegate count from that point on.
Everyone in the Establishment will go “Huh?” but the people of Florida and Michigan will go “Huh… Maybe I can vote for him come fall.”

Posted by: Igor | May 15, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Common Sense: You are wrong as usual. Hillary should run as an independent to knock Hussein Obama out of the presidency. And she is a fool if she doesn’t do it. Obama would do it to her and most blacks would. He is no saint by no means. He has a racist background and was racial as a young boy. Its people like you and this generation of drugged college students that don’t care about his country. People like WVA and the battleground states are smart and they know what he would do to this country. The good news would be for them to switch to McCain who would be a more experienced president with the knowledge from day one. Obama would need extensive help.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 15, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS – TAKE NOTICE
———–ROE v. WADE———–
Two of the current justices of the United States Supreme Court will probably retire within the next four years. One is 75 and the other is 84. This will give the new president the ability to nominate two new justices. If McCain is elected you can be sure the new justices will be just like Roberts, Scalia and Thomas: willing to overturn ROE v. WADE. So think when you vote!!!

Posted by: rhbate | May 15, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Is this the next step in the process of turning the bi-racial man into the white race hating, Unpatriotic, Anti-Christ? Very funny. This is what Hillary’s voting base is? How pathetic?
I for one want be voting for the woman who authorized a war she didn’t fully agree with. The war that has killed over 4000 of our troops. The war that is a major factor in all the economic issues we are currently facing. Clinton saying Oops, I didn’t mean it, Just doesn’t fly with me.
I wont be voting for the dishonest woman who lied about having to run from sniper fire. The woman who agreed that Florida and Michigan should be penalized for breaking the rules, and then changed her mind when she got behind in votes.
I wont be voting for the woman who has shown so many different faces during this campaign, that I cant tell her from SYBIL.
The woman who had to result to running a nasty and foul campaign that would make the Republicans of the 60′s era proud.
The woman that was so arrogant and cocky that she didn’t even bother campaigning in my home state of Iowa, cause she thought her last name would get her by.
You women want to find every excuse under the sun to justify why your golden Candidate, The Chosen candidate is behind. The media is unfair to her. Its okay for her to tell lies, cause she was tired. Its okay for her to authorize the war, she really didn’t mean it.
You want to hold Senator Obama to such high moral standards, when your own candidate cant live up to them. When your own candidates judgment has been called to question since she was allowing Bill to see the “head” doctor in the oval office.
How many times has he cheated on The Great Hillary Clinton? It says allot about a woman’s character when she allows a man to constantly run over her the way he has. Maybe it was for political gain.
I wonder how many interns president Clinton has lined up to play a game of hide the sausage with. While his wife is in the oval office trying to figure out if she wants to destroy IRAN.
The better candidate my ass. How pathetic you hypocrits are.
Suffice to say, it doesn’t matter anyway. Clinton is now a distant memory.
OBAMA/EDWARDS 08

Posted by: Common Sense | May 15, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Bishop do you realize that Hillary has said that none of the “uncommitted” votes cast in Michigan should go to Obama because we don’t know who those folks had in mind when they voted.
How can you argue that Michigan should count because Obama campaigned there under “uncommitted” and then deny him those very votes? You can’t have it both ways “sweetie”.

Posted by: Ray | May 15, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

That’s right, if the situation were reversed; that is, if Clinton were in Obama’s current postion with respect to states won, delegate and popular vote totals, the Clinton’s would care nothing about seating the delegates in Michigan and Florida. Their only concern now is to to get those votes to count.
The Clintons did not care about Florida and Michigan until Hillary lost on Super Tuesday, and kept losing. Now they suddenly care about those voters, but it’s not the voters they care about, it’s the vote count they want to add to their tally. Unfair, unethical, uninspired.
No sexism in this at all. I’d love to see a woman president, but not that woman, particularly not with the baggage that comes with her.

Posted by: KDP | May 15, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

Don’t try Roe v wade on the women who fought for it or you don’t get us at all

Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

Obamaites are writing nonsense as usual – they are a group of strident, self-serving, delusional individuals still wet behind the ears. You may just get what you wish for – maybe you will all get the chance to role play flower children of the sixties – don’t blame the other half of democrats that didn’t vote for your man, who, by the way, has some very suspicious ties to corruption in Chicago.
If the Clintons and Obama have switched places, you bet your bottom dollar his camp will be doing exactly the same thing. Ask Obami how he ran his state and US senate seats – by intimidating supporters of his opponents. Just like what you people are doing – right out of Chicago.
If Obamaites continue to be so nasty and shortsighted, come November, you will be crying, because Clinton supporters will be laughing on the sidelines, enjoying the debacle of Obama’s downfall and humiliation.

Posted by: alee25 | May 15, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

TO ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS: Please keep up the vitriol and invective towards us Hillary supporters. It only strengthens our resolve to do everything possible to assist in the defeat of Obama in November. So keep it up; we like it!

Posted by: Sally | May 15, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

No I didn’t know that then I will have to disagree with her on that . He should get the uncomitted.

Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

alee wrote:
If the Clintons and Obama have switched places, you bet your bottom dollar his camp will be doing exactly the same thing. Ask Obami how he ran his state and US senate seats – by intimidating supporters of his opponents. Just like what you people are doing – right out of Chicago.
YOU ARE CORRECT. Don’t forget how Sharpton and Farrakhan would be protesting, and some would be advocating rioting in the streets because black voters were being disenfranchised in Michigan and Florida.

Posted by: Emily | May 15, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Re the bizarre comment below: “Eileen: Fact check: The Kenya airport would not allow Obama’s mother to get on the plane therefore he born in Kenya before she was able to fly to Hawaii. Maybe she didn’t register him in Kenya that’s why he isn’t a citizen there. This was all checked out several weeks ago by a commentor and there were more facts about him.”
Obama’s mother was not in Kenya when she was pregnant. She was a young married American woman living in the United States with her husband, who was from Kenya. So there was no “plane” that she missed just before their child’s birth, because she didn’t have to take one. Barack Obama was born in the United States.
Please, in the future, use your good common sense in thinking about rumors like this.
If it was really true that Obama was not born in the US, then his opponents would have known about it right away and he could not run for president. (Just like Arnold Schwartzenegger cannot, since he was born in Austria.) Any opponent or anyone else could have challenged him on it in a heartbeat and had him out of the race.
In reality, though, the story is completely false and he was born here. He is as American as you or I, assuming that you are American also.
If you would like to know more about Barack Obama’s childhood, you may want to read his book, Dreams of My Father. It is a good read.

Posted by: E F | May 15, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

I think the airport story might be off but I don’t believe much in his book any one can write a story like remember a million little pieces

Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

Common Sense: Polls show that at least 28% of Hillary supporters will not vote for Obama under any circumstances. So, Obama gets the party elite, the teenyboppers and the African Americans. McCain gets the Republican vote, majority of the Democrat white working class vote, and millions of Hillary Clinton supporters. See you in November . . .

Posted by: Sally | May 15, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

With Obama’s advisors indicating that on May 20, shortly after Kentucky and Oregon, he will declare himself the party’s nominee, and the DNC Rules Committee not deciding what to do about Florida (a major swing state, with Ohio and Pennsylvania, in November) and Michigan until May 31( which she is waiting for regarding their delegates and popular vote), that 11 day period promises to be a confused and confusing time.
In the interim, if one of her surrogates does not bring up the black liberation theology preached at Trinity during Obama’s 20-year attendance there, the Republicans will certainly do so before November.
Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) says that its doctrine is based upon black liberation theology, as demonstrated by the statement below which appears on TUCC’s official website: The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, “Black Power and Black Theology” and continued with his 1990 book “A Black Theology of Liberation.”
That vision statement, derived directly from Cone’s thinking, includes the following: “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him…. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
If, as seems increasingly likely, Obama becomes the Democratic candidate running to become president, sound bites, which include bits of the TUUC vision statement that Obama, by his attendance (in sharp contrast to Oprah who took a pass on attending Trinity) implicitly endorsed will certainly catch the eye of white voters. Will this be the October surprise?

Posted by: Truth | May 15, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

POLITICS 101 FOR OBAMA SUPPORTERS: FIRST: Obama wins the nomination without winning the popular vote, and based upon early unrepresentative causes wins. SECOND: As polls show, at least 28% of Hillary supporters refuse to vote for Obama, and many instead vote for McCain. THIRD: This leaves Obama with the AA, the teenyboppers, and the party elite. FOURTH: The Republican Party is energized by the prospect of running against an inexperienced, deceptive and divisive politician, with a list of shady associations longer than a football field. FIFTH: With much ammunition, the 527s pepper the airwaves with Obama’s gaffes, Rev. Wright, William “the bomb” Ayers, black liberation theology, the most liberal member of the Senate, Bittergate, etc. FIFTH: The night before the election, the Obama teenyboppers have mass celebratory keg parties all over the country, get too drunk, and are unable to vote in the election the next day. SIXTH: Obama is defeated and John McCain takes the oath of office in front of millions of cheering Republicans and Democrats. SEVENTH: Patriotic and savvy observers around the country breathe a collective sigh of relief in realization of how narrowly they had adverted disaster. EIGHTH: Many Obama supporters have to attend 12-step programs in an effort to wean themselves off of their addiction to responding to all criticism with attacks, insults, and race cards.

Posted by: Fred | May 15, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

The Clintons are handing the election to McCainand the Republicans; that is what they want, right?

Posted by: letranger | May 15, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS – TAKE NOTICE
———–ROE v. WADE———–
Two of the current justices of the United States Supreme Court will probably retire within the next four years. One is 75 and the other is 84. This will give the new president the ability to nominate two new justices. If McCain is elected you can be sure the new justices will be just like Roberts, Scalia and Thomas: willing to overturn ROE v. WADE. So think when you vote!!!

Posted by: rhbate | May 15, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

Sally,
So what? There are 30% of Republicans that support Obama. I haven’t started counting Independents yet.
You’re washed out. It’s best you stay home.
Supporting McCan’t is like supporting Clinton. Another loss no matter what you say what you’re GOING TO DO!
Accept the inevitable sweetie.

Posted by: Common Sense | May 15, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

Mariann Pepitone:
Given that I have been college educated and am not backwoods as you had alluded to, I am fully aware Obama is mulatto; however, it is the black voters within the US that are not aware of this. Obama is more white than he is black, culturally speaking, given that he was raised in Hawaii by his Caucasian mother and grand-mother.
It took him marrying an affluent African-American woman in the US who prompted him to attend the African liberation church in order to identify with his black brothers and their history and struggle within this nation.
Now I have nothing against one getting in touch with their roots…but his roots are not here they are in Africa where his father and ancestors originated from. His mother is American….this makes Obama African-American (American Caucasian mother/African father)….
In his books he has claimed to be African-American.
Before you defend your candidate for what you deem as an insult…you need to do your own research! Obama could have claimed either culture he wanted to. He claimed to be African-American and is proud of it as he should be. That is who he touts to be, so that is who he is.
That is not up for argument or debate.
I again reiterate that in the past African-American men….many of whom had been born with mixed blood from mixed cultures earned (through blood, sweat, and tears) the right to vote within the US before women….African-American or Caucasian.
This also is the truth…not up for argument or debate.
If history serves this is the natural process of events…an African-American man before any female will earn the right for the office of presidency.
These are the facts.

Posted by: MJW | May 15, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Reader in Ga.:
Look, you have missed the part in which Mr. O said he’d gone to “57 States” but still had to visit Alaska and Hawaii. Florida and Michigan are NOT among the 57 states. They do NOT count. Using his words, those voters can go and —- themselves if they want to. It’s not HIS problem.
I say: if you don’t like him, don’t vote for him in the GE if he makes it. Vote for McCain. Of course Dems will be fools if he is nominated.

Posted by: Brent | May 15, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

Common Sense said: So what? There are 30% of Republicans that support Obama. I haven’t started counting Independents yet.
YOU MUST BE SMOKIN’ SOMETHING. Do you really believe that 30% of the Republicans will vote for the most liberal Senator in Congress, with his racist and anti-American “mentor and spiritual adviser,” and his William “the bomb” Ayers friend? You have got to be kidding :) See you all in November . . .

Posted by: Note to Delusional | May 15, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

Barnum and Bailey are looking for some good clowns.
Clinton Cynics would be my first choice.
Hey, maybe Clinton can start a new organization.
CCFC.
Cynical Clowns For Clinton.
Top Billing!

Posted by: Common Sense | May 15, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

Fred, naive grasshoppa you.
Haven’t you realized that nothing cynical has worked against Obama?
Just ask the Repugnicans who lost the House seats in Louisiana and Mississippi.
You’ll soon be getting the message in November. By then, your knuckles will be down to the bone from dragging them thinking rhetoric will stop YES WE CAN.
Repeat after me……..NO YOU CAN’T
YES WE CAN!

Posted by: Common Sense | May 15, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING:
An Ohio-based group of Democratic Hillary Clinton supporters say they’ll work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee, arguing that Clinton has been the subject of “intense sexism” by party leaders and the media.
Led by Boomer-aged women, the group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, is holding a press conference in Columbus at noon to release this statement.
Organizers Cynthia Ruccia, 55, and Jamie Dixey, 57, both from the Columbus area, say they’re coordinating women, men, minorities, union members and others in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan – all important swing states next November – to impress upon Democratic party leaders what they think has been outright discrimination – and not of the racial kind.
“We have been vigilant against expressions of racism, and we are thrilled that the society has advanced that way” in accepting Obama as a serious candidate,” Ruccia said. “But it’s been open season on women, and we feel we need to stand up and make a statement about that, because it’s wrong.”
With growing calls for Clinton to leave the race, she said, women feel like “we’re being told to sit down, shut up, and get with the program.”

Posted by: Sally | May 15, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

This democratic party is NOT democratic.
It encourages its selected delegates and super-delegates to sell their votes to the highest bidder.
It is plausible that the DNC has sold
ITSELF to the highest bidder.
The DNC has disenfranchised two statesful of citizens from voting for their choice of nominee. Obviously, the DNC is higher than the Law of the Land… the Constitution!
The DNC is a bunch of fractured phonies
pushing the will of its wee minds onto the public. I will not be a part of it; If I cannot have the candidate I feel our country needs, I will take MY wee mind across the road and settle for someone who may not set my heart on fire and not accomplish very much. But he will not scar this country as much as Obama will.
I live in Illinois and have witnessed the questionable elections in which BoZo
has participated first hand…. from his beginnings as the “Emil Jones Kingpin” gifted with hijacked bills which had been initiated and struggled over by other state senators.
I have been here when he deposited monies which had supposedly been intended by Rezko to heat his broken down tenements and their freezing mostly black and latino tenants. This was done under his watch!
I have been here when Bozo took his trip to Kenya to visit his cousin Odinga just before his bloody battle to become prime minister. He ran under the credo of “Change Agent”. Familiar?
Posters in this blog have threatened to riot and burn should Obama lose…..
Then, of course, Bush ran under the same rant:….. “CHANGE”….and look what THAT got us. (Why trade one BOzo in for another?
I hope that Hillary proves you all wrong but should she not, I will happily direct my feet to the republican side of the street!

Posted by: eyes wide open | May 15, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

I beg to differ….If the shoe were on the other foot BO would be screaming racism if he needed the delegates and votes!!!
Florida and Michigan is the worst fiasco ever! I am so angry about it. That is the reason I changed from a Dem to independent and I will not vote for any MA. Dem in this election or any other.
The voters are pissed! Ma voted for Hillary in the Primary and the duffs reps here back OBAMA!
Florida and Mi. voted and then they do not get acknowledge.
So is the DNC going to poo poo them and still expect them to back their boy in the GE!??

Posted by: HP Boston | May 15, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

Eyes Wide Open: Great post. We need to keep our ears open for any and all organizations which will be sprouting up to assist in the defeat of Obama in November (should he be the nominee). For the sake of our children and our country, we must stop this fraud.

Posted by: Susan | May 15, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

ONCE AGAIN, THE PLAYING FIELD MUST BE LEVELED!!! A PERSON DOES A CRIME,,,THEY MUST PAY RETRIBUTION IN SOME FORM TO KEEP SOCIETY AT A FAIR & PEACEFUL RESOLUTION ( JUDGEMENT & REDEMPTION ) . NOW IT’S ALL FAIR IN LOVE & WAR , BUT WHEN BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY BECOMES THE WAYS & MEANS OF DEMEANING YOUR FELLOW TEAMMATE, YOU HAVE NOW BECOME SOMETHING WORSE THAN THE CAUSE WITH WHICH WHAT MIGHT HAVE BROUGHT YOU TOGETHER. WHEN SOMEONE MAKE A DECISION , THAT MAY HAVE CONSEQUENCES W/ WHICH YOU DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT,,,,”YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE”, WHEN THAT VOTE AGAINST MI. & FL. FIRST CAME INTO PLAY ABOUT 2 YR AGO, THE MAIN ONE IN EVERYONE’S EYES OF BEING THE “ONE” , DID NOT STATE ANY SUCH HOOPLA OF THIS DECISION OVER THIS MATTER & NOW,,,,WELL GUESS HOW STUPID YOU LOOK, HATE TO SAY IT, BUT GET A MIRROR, I’VE BEEN THERE MYSELF, TRUST ME I KNOW!!!!

Posted by: ACCOUNTABLE | May 15, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

Hilary (and her impeached and disbarred husband) are liars.
why doesn’t that bother you clintonistas?

Posted by: drzoon | May 15, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Accountable: Forgive me if I’m wrong, but if you are saying that Obama is a fellow teammate of Democrats in general, I strongly disagree with you. Although I’ve always voted Democrat in all federal elections, there comes a time when your country and your principals are much more important than your party affiliation. Obama has presented such a case. I would much prefer that Hillary represent our party, but if she is not the nominee, then a centrist Republican would be infinitely better than an inexperienced, ruthless, deceptive, divisive Obama.

Posted by: Ruth | May 15, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Ruth:
are you saying Mc Cain is a “centrist”?

Posted by: drzoon | May 15, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

NO WAY should Florida and Michigan delegates be seated pursuant to the “fraudulent” primaries they held. ALL CANDIDATES knew those states had been sanctioned — the State Committees for each state knew — heck — the WHOLE COUNTRY knew that if FL and MI insisted upon holding primaries contrary to the rules of the DNC, they would be sanctioned. Yes, the voters of FL and MI should be FURIOUS — but at not at the candidates — they should be furious at their state committee which basically thumbed their collective noses at the DNC, their governing authority. The rest of the 48 states (plus territories) managed to remain within DNC guidelines in holding their primaries, and it is a slap in the faces of these rule-abiding states if FL and MI get the same benefits. It’s just another glimpse into the character (or lack thereof) of Mrs. Clinton that after she AGREED to the sanctions, she now wants to reverse them. This type of hypocrisy is one of the many reasons I did NOT vote for Mrs. Clinton. Yes, I believe FL and MI should have SOME representation, but not at the level Mrs. Clinton is suggesting. FL and MI MUST receive some punishment — it is only right and just — otherwise, how can the DNC remain a viable authority figure if it cannot exercise disciplinary measures against those who won’t follow the rules?

Posted by: Sharan | May 15, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

Enough with Florida and Michigan! The Clintons are the biggest pair of whiners I have ever seen. They were willing to write them off when they didn’t matter. Now Bill is crying about them. Spare me.

Posted by: AG | May 15, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

wasn’t it clinton who said if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen….Ha. now the mean big boys wont let poor little Hillary in the clubhouse. Doesnt matter I’m glad she stayed in. It showed that you have 2 flawed candidates and has helped my man McCain to the white house, get on the train.

Posted by: jason republican | May 15, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

John Edwards is not Borak Obama and their views and backgrounds are very different so his endorsement does not make me vote for Obama, a 2 year junior senator with no experience, questionable friends and a person who has not been honest. John McCain is honest and an American hero. If Hillary is not endorsed by the Democrats, he will be out next President because he plans on only serving one term and he is beholden to no one so he will do what is best for the country and he will bring the Democats and Republicans together, as Hillary would. Obama can’t because he doesn’t know how and has never done it.
Hillary supporters WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA! We can’t trust him because he hasn’t been honest. He’s a politician of the worst sort because he presents himself as non political. He sure worked Reverend Wright and maybe that’s why the Reverend has let people know that his denunciation of him is only political.
We will personally work against the super delegates that go over to Obama because they don’t have our best interest at heart. Everyone knows that Obama wouldn’t be where he is today if we had known before what we now know about him.

Posted by: shirley | May 15, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

Hillary Clinton’s campaign tactics and personal integrity, or I should say lack thereof, are what has caused her to lose this nomination. I’m a 50 year old white woman and would love to see a female President, but could not vote for Hillary. She has set women back tremendously with her pathetic “victimhood”, her pandering and her outright lies.
OBAMA ’08 for a better America!

Posted by: Mary | May 15, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

This lady, Hillary has been fighting for the middle class, working class and the poor. BO get his support from elites, college kids and affluent. Now this man, Edwards is endorsing BO trying to take the wind from Hillary’s 41 points win over BO. For the poor, he aint!
In Edwards’ speech, he blinks his eyes so frequent that he knows from now on he is just a crooked politician. Elizabeth would be so ashamed of him and she did not show up.
This man, BO can not win the nomination and he is not qualified from his 57 states, Afghanistan gaffe, his audacity of Rev Wright and his bittergate . Another man, Edwards rushes in and gang tackle a woman. It happened last time when Joe Andrew ambushed Hillary for BO in Indiana primary. Still she pulled out a win.
The party can’t wait and let people vote and they can’t afford to let people’s voices heard.
Americans believe in democracy, for the people, of the people and by the people. We hold the principle self-evident. These filthy politicians are going to put the party above people. 2M people are silenced in order to take the momentum away from Hillary. It is action which is a crime not the words. They are doing it to 2M people.
Now, you either vote for an all American, that is Hillary or the filthy politicians, that is BO & Edwards company. I say: there is no way to treat a gallant lady who works so hard.
Tell me your choice?
Moreover, about lies from OBAMA, I have about 70 of them which shall bore us to death. His lies are insidious and well-planned for political and economical profits. There are so many frauds in BO’s short career, 4 year Junior national senator for president; the young but not innocent. Give me a break. Don’t let this guy sweetie into the oval office. He is going to have problems with women.

Posted by: John_Lai | May 15, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

How is it a winning strategy for Democrats in November to disenfranchise voters in two important states?
Punish the local parties and count the votes!

Posted by: twinmom48 | May 15, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

So, if all the conservatives who don’t like McCain for their petty reasons, and all the women who don’t like Obama for all their petty reasons, stay home, we can have an adult election.

Posted by: it works for me | May 15, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

Leslie,
I agree with your sentiments, some of them. The anger though is not becoming…I certainly don’t mean to come down on you. However, you come across as a hard-core Clinton supporter instead of someone that is alarmed by the possible direction of the party and its future. In anycase, you are correct. She has played the gender card all along. At first people were seeing it but not talking about it. Now, her supporters, and I am one of them(but I don’t support this gender war bull), are out there screaming all sorts of injustice. The only injustice is what this will do to future generations.
Again, I am a Hillary supporter but more than that, I am a Democrat. I will never work against my own party. How stupid is that? I like Hillary, I support her but she is not the Democratic party. I will go bonkers if she does not win. I am more concerned with perserving the process AND progress for future generations, than I am at getting back at the establishment or the ol boys club. Some people just need to grow up and accept the fact that she mismanaged her campaign and she is the reason she is behind, not the DNC, not men, not Obama, not ANYONE.
George,
I agree with you as well. The best thing to do is scan a post, if he sounds outlandish and one sided, skip it. I don’t read anything that is to heavily biased in one direction or another. I don’t read anything that is to long because it is usually filled would outlandish lies and anger. Anyway, I agree and don’t get to wrapped up in these people.

Posted by: Myra F. | May 15, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

Do you mean reverse discrimination on the Obama Campaign and his supporters against Bill Clinton who stated a fact that Jesse Jackson won South Carolina for histories sake, or against Gerry Farra ‘s partial statement that was taken out of context, or Hillary’s comment to an AP article again taken out of context, as even educated black Americans stated these were dirty politics by the Obama Campaign. Yet the Obama top leaders of his campaign seem to be all young white adults, just were are the black Americans who should be with the other young white adults for his campaign. What is good for the goose is good for the gander! They should of looked to home before throwing stones at Hillary’s Campaign!

Posted by: Pam | May 15, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

We must start thinking what and who is best for America. That is Hillary Clinton even if a write in vote needs to be done by all. Therefore, this time America’s votes are counted and we the people get back to being a country for the people, not for the politician!

Posted by: Pam | May 15, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

We must start thinking what and who is best for America. That is Hillary Clinton even if a write in vote needs to be done by all. Therefore, this time America’s votes are counted and we the people get back to being a country for the people, not for the politician!

Posted by: Pam | May 15, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

The Michigan January vote cannot stand as is, which seems to be the only scenario Clinton will accept. Biden, Edwards, Obama, and Richardson all took their names off the Michigan ballot. Clinton and Dodd were the only ones on the ballot. The Michigan election did not reflect the will of the voters. Voters couldn’t vote for their preferred candidate and some just stayed home because their candidate was not on the ballot.
If Clinton really cared about all 50 states having their say, then why did she say in an interview with George Stephanopoulos on 12-30-07 that it will be over by Feb. 5th? (see you tube keywords ‘Clinton’ ‘february 5th’)
Obama is winning because he had a 50-state strategy. It’s why he campaigned in states like mine, Utah, that Democrats usually don’t care about. It’s why he’s won 28 out of 44 states that have voted thus far, not including D.C. which he also won.
The only states that mattered to Clinton were the ones that voted up until Feb. 5th.

Posted by: Cindy | May 15, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

This would not even be an issue if the Democrats apportioned delegates the way the Republicans do. Winner-takes-all, none of this proportional horse-race garbage.
I can’t feel sorry for the donkeys, really. The superdelegates can’t even do their jobs, which is to break the deadlock according to their own logic and consciences, because of the identity groups (blacks vs women) threatening them from both sides.
Now they both disgust me, and I’ll vote for McCain — who may seem like McSame to some, but compared to these two clowns, looks more and more like McSANE.

Posted by: J Cline | May 15, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

I agree that all 50 states (Obama says 57) should have primaries and have their votes or delegates counted. It is not about Clinton/Obama but these voters having a say in the election. The VIPs of the Democratic Party has shown very poor leadership and certainly, Senator Clinton did not vote to have these two states not count. In Florida, it was the Republication Legislature and in Michigan it was the Obama supporters that changed the dates after they knew Clinton had a lead. Obama also removed his name from the ballot for the same reason.
Obama is not honest and wants to win this election by default and by buying the superdelegates. Monday, I heard a report his campaign had put aside $20 million to help the superdelegates in the next election. Sounds dirty to me. If Obama wins, America is in trouble. He is a solid socialist with racist views. His 20 years in Trinty Church backs that up. He has used the Democratic Party and it will forever be weakened. Bet McCain is the next President. Obama is from the Chicago Combine of corrupt politican and businessmen and he needs to be sent back there.

Posted by: Mary | May 15, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

david nh
No one was required to take his name off of the ballot in Michigan. Obama took HIS off because he figured he wouldn’t win there anyways.
But in Florida, where where his name WAS on the ballot and where there was supposed to be NO CAMPAIGNING, Obama was electionairing for TEN DAYS prior to the elections, and still didn’t win!
And how come only these two states of the six or seven which didn’t play by this stupid rule were punished?
The DNC is a joke.
How can anyone have pride in a party which sells it’s delegates’ votes to the highest bidder and further impugns our democracy by disenfranchising two states of their right to vote?
I think it will be real easy for us Hillary supporters to either support her nomination with write- in votes..
or take our little tootsies on down to Republican land and saddle up the elephant.
Mccain, after all, is an honorable man and, since we’ll have a democratic congress, everything would be copesetic.
The only way I would give up on Hillary if she should be on the same ticket as B O!

Posted by: questioner | May 15, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

90% of African American voted for Gore. 82% voted for Kerry. Over 90 % voted for Clinton, so why is it racist that 90% vote for Obama. Hillary Clinton would have had 90% had she not started playing the race card and showed them she didn’t give a crap about the support they gave the Party or her husband. HRC supporters are delusional. She lost this race long time ago. If she wasn’t a woman she would have dropped from the race long ago like the many White men. You’d rather vote for McCain? Do something that idiotic and once again America will get the kind of government it deserves. Enough already. HRC had a bad startegy; poor execution; fiscal mismanagement; and has proven herself to be polarizing and divise. What part of this don’t you get? She probably still owes small vendors for all the confetti she has been dropping and the labor group who had to sweep up all that crap. You deride the young people who have been inspired by Barack Obama. Sounds like you are the ones who need to grow up.

Posted by: Carlean Perkins | May 16, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am

“The Hillary Nutcracker is sexist. Keeping Florida and Michigan out of each candidate’s primary vote tally is not. It’s hardball politics.”
And calling the exclusion of FL & MI sexist is hardball politics too. Don’t act so shocked. Expect similar moves from the Obama camp in the general.

Posted by: Judasmac | May 16, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am

Carlean writes, “She lost this race long time ago.”
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A lot of these “intelligent” folks fail to see this. You see, they FAIL to see how the day Hillary and Bill started intentionally “misquote” BHO (and his wife) they FORFEITED 40% of the Black vote they were GUARANTEED. When they SAW how effective Obama was at campaigning they became SCARED and couldn’t resist the temptation to NOT play the race card.
Hillary lost my vote and Bill lost my respect when they tried that “cheap”, archaic NONSENSE.
Do you remember when Bill got on national TV and said “Obama SAID only the Republicans had good ideas”. It was at that moment that it became clear he wasn’t trying to appeal to the more CEREBRAL crowd. You know, the kind of people who actually PAY attention and will VERIFY who said what.
She pretty mucy ruined any chance of getting on the ticket when she chose that strategy.
And NOW….you have her supporters whining like children because their candidate lost an election? I can’t decide which is more pathetic.

Posted by: Dems | May 16, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am

Why did Hillary leave her name on the Michigan ballot???
The candidates agreed not to campaign or PARTICIPATE in Michigan and Florida, yet she kept her name on the ballot.
Depends what the meaning of ‘participate’ is. (It’s a Clinton thing.)

Posted by: Tom J | May 16, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

I think if you’re still having trouble seeing Obama bias in the coverage of this election you might want to reread this blog! I get the idea that the MSM thinks all Hillary supporters are female ans somehow that makes it easier to minimize both their numbers and their candidate.
By the way the validatation of victimization and the “witch” hunt for racists in this election is underreported…want to take that one on?

Posted by: Jackie | May 16, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

I just want to confront some of the arguments going on here. First of all Hillary and Obama both agreed about Florida and Michigan until Hillary started losing then she wanted to change everyones mind, like usal she whines and cries that she is being treated unfairly.I am NOT a teeny bopper, a drug addict, or in an Obama cult, etc… I am a grown woman with morals, a christian, and white (not that it should matter) but I have listened to all these accusations from you Hillary supporters making excuses as to what we must be to be able to vote for Obama, the truth is he has not bribed us, hypnotized us, or anything else you might say. He ran for president and we liked him just like you like Hillary, it is our choice NOT yours on who we can support, and you can say all you want about voting for Mccain, that is your right but don’t complain later when your grandkids, or your elderly parents are starving because you can only blame yourselves for your own stupidity. Time to grow up and support our nominee!!

Posted by: Lilcntrydarling | May 16, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

Lilcntrydarling,
Not only that but the people that DEVELOPED THE SANCTION, are NOW working in her campaign. They can’t set one standard, then want to change it to suit their person of choice. The Amer. people should be outraged. If the shoe were on the other foot, people would be calling Obama a damn idiot for wanting to go against the RULES set forth. But no, it’s their beloved Hillary. And, as well know, rules don’t apply to the almighty great Clinton’s. Please.
If she doesn’t like the rules, then she should turn to Terry and Harold and slap the crap out of them as they are the ones that both crafted them and enforced them. It’s over, she lost. People need to get over it and stop crying foul. Stunt and baseless complaints such as this will only prevent future women from advancing beyond NH the next time around. After all, the men would be crazy not to ban together. And, other groups would be crazy not to join them in banning together….

Posted by: Emili Ann | May 17, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

Obama played the gay card in South Carolina, with his gospel tour last fall, it was despicable and he compounded his ACTIONS by a SPEECH in January, in a South Carolina church, castigating the black community for it’s homophobia, the homophobia he used to get votes. As Adolph Reed says in the Progressive magazine, he’s a con-man who appeals to the college educated, ignorant youth. Since I’m from Florida and the party who before thought it was important to count every vote has stripped me of my voting rights, I’m sitting this one out. Have a nice election with your 48 state strategy. Voting rights are more important than any candidate.

Posted by: Mark Anderson | May 20, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Man, it’s ugly to see the victim come out in ole Bill…he seems like he’s got it deep in him. When he’s not overreacting with his aggression, he’s whining about i it when things didn’t go his way.
that’s what it’s all about aint it – thins didn’t go the clinton’s way. Waaahh!

Posted by: anon | May 21, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am

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