What Happens After Obama Claims a Majority of Pledged Delegates Tonight?

The list of people that have publically announced that Hillary has a better chance of winning in November has been astounding yet they cast their votes for Obama. The superdelegates should decide not the voters—-well, I hate to tell you a fact, it is the “voters” that will decide this Election in November not the Democrats superdelegates. Obama is a fraud and more is exposed each and every day. His slogan has changed to “No We Can’t”. America he says has to be more like Africa and the Middle East…we cannot drive our SUV’s (most Americans do not have SUV’s), eat as much as we have, not heat or cool our homes to desired temperatures…America has to change and join the rest of the World in poverty and shortcomings. He is a sick man. America is great and we should fix whatever problems we have “roll up our sleeves” and work together to achieve more greatness and spread this throughout the world rather than the message we have to decline. Superdelegates if you give your votes to Obama you will be destroying the very foundation of “freedom” in America.

There is no more party. The moderate democrats are leaving, so you’re left with the far left wing. Good luck in November.

Hillary Clinton is by far the best candidate for president the democratic party has had in many years. But I am seeing “the boys’club”, and a few important women who are concerned about “the Party” more than they are about our country,stepping up to make sure a woman is not president.
Historically speaking, they is what happened when women got the Vote. Black MEN were given the vote before white and black women were. We were the last to be given the Vote, and I see the same sexist philosophy in the media and in the males of our country. They don’t care about the worth of the person, just that the candidate is male!

There is no more party. The moderate democrats are leaving, so you’re left with the far left wing. Good luck in November.

Things are NOT as they are made to appear.
For all the talk about “Super Delegates”, there is nothing “Super” about them. Just as everyone of us, they have one vote each. Their endorsement is just that, an endorsement. It is not a vote. They are not supposed to come into play unless there is a deadlocked convention, and in that case, they are expected to exercise their BEST JUDGMENT to cast their votes for that candidate they, in view of their extensive experience and political wisdom, think would be able to WIN the General Election. They are not supposed to be endorsing this or that candidate, BEFORE THEY VOTE AT THE CONVENTION. To do otherwise is to be false to the trust and responsibility that has been placed in and on them.
It would be better at this point if all the bickering supporters of each candidate looked at the number of ACTUAL PLEDGED DELEGATES allocated to their candidate on the basis of primaries and caucuses won. Those figures, as of May 20, 2008 (NY Times web site), for those who truly follow politics are:
Obama 1440
Clinton 1363
Diff. 77
Of the “surveyed” “Super Delegates”, of which there are approx. 795, there are at least 221 who have not “endorsed” any candidate, which is as it was intended to be. Again, an “endorsement” does not necessarily translate into a convention vote, since in theory “Super Delegates” are supposed to represent the wisdom of the party and are expected to be above the fray. Those who have endorsed, really should be stripped of their position and replaced by those who will act as intended. However, that is the responsibility of the DNC, which so far, has proven inadequate to discipline its own members.
The bottom line, “Super Delegate” endorsements should not be counted by candidates claiming that such an “endorsement” makes this person into a PLEDGED DELEGATE, for that is NOT THE CASE, and to think otherwise is to delude oneself and one’s followers. It is also wrong for the media to even report what “Super Delegates” are doing now, as they do not even come into play unless and until there is a DEADLOCKED CONVENTION.
However, there is nothing to prevent partisans from ‘counting chickens before they hatch”, nor is there anything to prevent the media from playing games with gullible people to increase interest in these silly stories.
As Yogi Berra once said, “It ain’t over, ’til it’s over”. And this fight is a long way from over.

A reader in GA – if that’s what the superdelegates are “supposed to do”, then why do we even bother voting?
Let’s just have an election with just them.
Gee Wiz!!

You mean the same Karl Rove who was going around late October 2006 telling people polls were wrong and the Republicans would hold on to both houses ?
Some reference, that.

Delegates choose the nominee. They all have different reasons. Human nature.
The one logically favored would be winning in the General Election. That being the case, Clinton has the most popular votes and won the most states with electoral votes. The electoral math favors Hillary.
For the Obama supporters: this isn’t a sport. You actually have to win in the General Election for those millions you donate to purchase value. It appears that at this point, all you have purchased is a lot of very angry women and a party in turmoil.
The superdelegates should stop and think this over carefully. They can work with a minority president as they have been and given the numbers, likely will again. The choice is theirs to make. Choose wisely.

The Superdelegates were put in place after the McGovern debacle to ensure that the most electable candidate is entered in the General Election. Had the people known earlier what they know now about Obama, he would not be leading and most likely would not still be in the race at all. If the Super Ds ignore that and fail to do their duty then they deserve to lose the GE.

Yavo Lem, thanks for the Axelrod quote on Super Ds from February. Your posts are always well thought out and enlightening.

A reader in GA -
That is exactly what is wrong with the Democratic leadership today. NO GUTS. Unless Clinton is on the ticket there is no way Obama wins. Sam Nunn for VP? Oh please.
2006 Democrats won big and look what has happended. Absolutely nothing. Pelosi and Reid are a disgrace.
And to the writer who said there is no party – moderates are leaving – exactly right. Remeber it was the Clintons who brough moderates back into the party and guess what – Democrats won the Presidency.
Let me add one more – Howard Dean is a disgrace.

Nice synopsis of the situation as it stands. The superdelegates are another real problem. Should they reflect the will of the people in their district, their city, state or the nation as a whole? Or should they vote their personal will? It’s so terribly undemocratic. I hope this process will be reformed. We know that in the end politicians vote which ever way they personally want and then find a way to rationalize it. That’s not how a president should be chosen after a long primary season.

This will mean as much as George Bush’s “Mission Accomplised 5 years ago.

I love all the people saying the super delegates should overturn the will of the people.
That’s exactly what Bush and Cheney have done the last 8 years and look at the mess we’re in.
That’s why Republicans are calling for the Democratic party super delegates to overturn the will of the voters.

Well, you asked. What will happen is this. The worse it gets for Clinton the kinder Obama will be, the more appreciative, the more respectful, the more conciliatory. She will strut around making loony math claims and doing Karl Rove impersonations with such conviction. She will play the victim, the gender card and bloody the convention. She will litigate. Obama will pay her bills. Still, her die-hard supporters will feel they are victims. Maybe that’s the sector who needs her as a candidate.

It’s all stupid politics.
None of the three corporatists stand for real change..
You are all being played like the rag dolls talking heads want you to play..
The reality is, as our country fades into the history books as one of the most corrupt forces in the post 2000 era of planet earth, and as our world dies in an ever increasing mass EXTINCTION of species, we just sit here rambling about my kid is better than yours.. grade school play ground politics..
The sad fact is.. we’re all screwed, TODAY. The oceans are filthy, the bees are dying, the gas is slowly going away.. in 20 years regardless of how high the oceans get, we will have killed thousands of types of animals that will never return. We will have poisened the ground waters of so much of the world that it will be very hard to sustain life without dasani.
We, humans, on planet earth, have caused this and continue to cause this every time we go toss our future out the window..
sure, call me names, say im crazy, i dont care anymore. the time is coming where you will be held accountable for your actions. History will not judge our actions well. our legacy for children and thier children will be that of “who cares” and “its not my problem”…
Wake the hell up you silly human beings.. WAKE THE HELL UP
There are only 2 options..
Option A: we all die, and the slugs and cockroaches inherit mother earth. Pretty much whats going on today..
Option B: We work together and fix this goddamn mess. its not as simple as the ice melting or this guy getting elected or that guy, we must change our way of life, and reverse the course of destruction we’ve been going on for 150 years since we starting killing the groundwater.
Our children are looking at us, what are YOU going to do .. cry and sling mud?
Yep, that’s our America. Land of the stoned, home of the fried.
the reality in my heart i know, you all deserve what you get, and in the end it may be the best thing for us all to go
to the sidelines of history and let the earth try again…

Omentum and Yavo – you must be bad at math like HIllary – include ALL states, even the caucus ones – and Obama is winnder by popular vote, even if you include FL and MI (where Obama received 0 votes due to his name being missing….the uncommitted were not counted for him)

Lois from California just wrote the equivalent of “waaaaaa, waaaaaa…I didnt get my way….waaaaaaa, waaaaaa” – freaking ridiculous – its hard not to ridicule these die hard hillary women supporters for being so irrational – voting completely against self-interest (or not voting at all) just because their girl ran a bad campaign – yes, blame it on everyone else…

Why do all of you Clinton supporters whine so much and threaten to vote for John McCain on zero merit? Are you feeling so scorned? You sound as petty as Hillary. We’re all in this together. Do you want another 4 years of the same old politics? Obama supporters dig Hillary. We just want change.

What happens is that Florida, Michigan and women get even more pissed off at him.
Nothing like alienating 52% of the electorate and disenfranchising 2.3 million voters.

Barack the Potted Plant.

he won’t have WON the delegates;
he would have BOUGHT them!

Veronica,
I agree with. There is absolutely no reason to have superdelegates if they are not supposed to vote independently. The DNC rules as to primary process were fatally flawed. The Democratic primary in no way reflects or projects Electoral votes. That is a travesty to say the least. I have no idea what they were thinking and I am furious.
Hillary has won the important states in terms of Electoral votes. She is by far more electable than Obama. Further, many of his early wins were prior to the “vetting” on Wright, Ayres, Rezko trial, Khaladi, Auchi, bittergate and gunslinging blue collar voters. The early primaries are not a good indicator for the GE this year.
FL and MI must be counted. You cannot simply throw away two pivotal states with record numbers of voters to hand deliver the nomination to one candidate.
80% of Obama’s pledged delegate differential over Clinton is based on caucuses!! That is huge and each state decides on their own rules for caucus procedure. No one really knows what went on with them but what we do know is that caucuses are not representative of their real state constituencies. How many mothers will leave their kids home to spend the night caucusing? How many seniors would or could do so? No absentee ballots for caucuses. The bullies win, plain and simple.
“It ain’t over until the lady in the pants suit say it is.”
Take it all the way to the convention, Hillary!!!

SadState – i have been to Hillary’s site, and have read through her policies (which are not very user friendly to read, but that’s beside the point). You mean her NAFTA policy that was acrefully crafted after it started to be a talking point? Hmmmm…seems that she was for it until she realized it wouldnt win her votes in OH and PA…how about the war on Iraq – her policy was to not engage, right? Or was that take from BO’s playbook, since he was the original voice against the war? A lot of their policies are the same…sure…but who copied who on major issues is quite obvious.

Hillary and her DLC cronies need to be put out to pasture. We need real Democrats in power.
Obama/Webb ’08

Pledged delegates are not automatic candidate votes because their will is not expressed until August. I would think that most super-delegates would prefer to follow the delegate will as a whole when it reaches 2026, or whatever number ends up being deemed the finish line. But by stricter and original definition, the supers are supposed to exercise their judgement independently. So I simply don’t get the assertion that they would follow en masse a majority pledged delegate count.

The choice is simple, War or no war. Fiscal responsibility or not.
Open and accessible government or secret deals.
Diplomacy first or Immediate escalation.
These are the choices in the Fall. For all her talk, HRC seeks to overturn the will of the majority that have already voted for Obama, just because she doesn’t like the result. This is a Bushism. “You are right as long as you agree with me.” Enough. If you vote for Mccain or don’t do everythign you can to make sure he does not win the Presidency, then you lose yoru place to complain.
BTW georgia, lemmings don’t march off the cliff. That myth was perpetuated by a naturalist that forced them over the edge, he forced the reality to match what he wanted to be true, no matter what the cost. This is how Clinton and Bush work.

OK, people. Let’s pull on our big boy and big girl pants. Weathervane McCain can only win if we let him. Give me Hillary or give me Barack. I will vote and work for whichever gets the nomination (although I voted for Obama in the Oregon primary, and am certainly no Republican in Democrat’s clothing). Either Clinton or Obama would be 1,000,000 times better than McCain. ‘Nuff said.

Will not make any difference to this sweetie. Not sure how I will vote be it will not be for Obama.

All this makes me glad to be a Ron Paul supporter.
When Obama or McCain becomes president and the dollar continues sliding and our debt continues accumulating, you all will still be arguing amongst yourselves about how things would be so much better if people had listened to you. Economically Hillary might be a better choice than Obama, and McCain a better choice than Hillary, but in the end none of them have any solid plans for fixing our fiscal problems. As the government overspends and over prints money (look at our money supply vs. gdp growth) the dollar will continue to decline and the US will lose its wealth. Also I should point out that each of the 3 candidates wants to take away your rights which were supposed to be garunteed in the Bill Of Rights. The 2nd, the right to a fair trial and privacy, and the 10th.

You can thank Senator Clinton for a number of things.
1) She took what should be a wonderful moment for women – a woman running for president, and turned it into another example of how women are oppressed (see her comments about that one).
2) She is dividing the Democratic party by simply denying the inevitable – after all as she put it, who would want the “next” president to have quit (she’s not thinking about anything but her next chance folks).
3) Her tactics serve to ensure McCain is elected – after all how can self respecting blue collar workers vote for Obmama now – yet Clinton has too much to gain to win the nomination? I guess it will be McCain.
Nice goin ma’am. In it to win it – takes on a whole new meaning.

There is a great deal of vocal female anger expressed here. Understandable in an earlier context, not in the present one.
Never have there been more intelligent, able and admirable women in powerful positions in this society and the rest of the western world. Women lead lots of companies, countries, NGOs. More will in the future.
Hillary has a level of competence only equaled by her hubris.

I wonder how the floridians, and michiginians (is that right?) will take to Obama being the front runner. If I was in their shoes, and my party didn’t want to count my vote, or my party’s candidate didn’t want to count my vote, I’d go to another party that would. Would you stay with a party that didn’t count your vote? I think McCain will be the pres because of this. Those are two states with voters that are being disenfranchised by their own parties. This is one strange democracy. Lemmings! We are the lemmings!

I think that all VOTES (not delegates) should be counted from FL and MI – but i think that any delegate supporting the moving of these dates should lose their status as delegate, and others should replace them. Its not fair for people not to count…but it certainly would be right to punish those DEMs that thought they were being clever by moving the date….the people should also hold those individuals accountable for their irrisponsible actions.

Obama won last February in IOWA almost all white state —which means whites are not racists….then what happened in West Virginia? Why did Obama LOSE almost by 70% a clear landslide against him……and now the words racists applies! Back in February no one knew about Barack Obama and doubts about his patriotism. “Iowans never heard of Reverend Wright; they didn’t know about Obama’s “friendly relations” with Bill Ayers; they weren’t aware that Michelle Obama had never been “proud of her country”; they hadn’t noticed the missing flag pin; and most damning of all they never heard the audiotape of Obama speaking to liberal fat cats in San Francisco in tones of obvious condescension describing rural lower income whites in a manner that made them seem ignorant, pathetic, and of course “bitter”. They didn’t hear Obama about visiting America’s 57 states, or here him speak of “change” that Americans must stop eating so much, heating and cooling their homes to 72 degrees or driving SUV’s around (like most Americans have SUV’s) as the other nations of the World do not like us to be so successful. We must lower our expectations—and give time to the rest of the world to catch up. Obama is a fraud and man that most certainly will be indicted shortly for his part in the extortion hearings that are going on with Rezko. The DNC is blind and because of this they will lose the election in November —-they have lost my vote!

Sen. Barack Obama’s 16-point lead over Clinton in the latest Gallup daily tracking poll of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters comes from even higher support among groups that have been supporting him throughout the primary race, and from newfound support among several groups that have backed Clinton.
Obama leads or ties Clinton among women, Easterners, whites, adults with no college education, and Hispanics, with the New York senator’s support now below 50 percent in each group, according to Gallup. Both are backed by 47 percent of white voters surveyed, and Obama is essentially tied with Clinton – 47 percent to 46 percent – among Democrats whose education level is a high school diploma or less.
Clinton’s advantage among women overall seems to have evaporated, with Obama now holding a lead within the survey’s three point margin of error, 49 percent to 46 percent. Hispanics favor Obama over Clinton by 7 percentage points, 51 percent to 44 percent. And Obama now leads among voters in Eastern states by 9 percentage points over Clinton – 52 percent to 43 percent.

Anne,
If you don’t know the difference between W. Virginia and Iowa, you’ve apparently never been to either.

bhrandon
Regarding your statement – Sen. Barack Obama’s 16-point lead over Clinton in the latest Gallup daily tracking poll of Democrats—the Gallup poll is old and The Gallup poll was off some 20 points in February. Believe the poll if you want or wait and see how Obama does tonight. He will lose Kentucky and he may win Oregon but not by much only a few points —everyone is catching on to him now.

If you remember the debate (last but one?) Obama was so hesitated to divorce someone (not Uncle Wright).
Weather or not he love America will take time to prove. Maybe until he divorce all like Uncle Wright.
Anti-Iraq-War is the only one credit to Obama, but not sure whom he stands for after all Uncle Wright-like connections.

Apparently while stumping in oregon bo was asked about the hanford nuclear waste site and he admitted he HAD NOT CLUE ABOUT IT.
tried to spin it that he is new kind of pol who admits he is an ignorant fool.
HANFORD IS ONE OF THE OLDEST AND MOST FAMOUS NUCLEAR WASTE SITES IN THE WORLD.
Maybe if bo spent more time studying this country he wants to lead and less time with rev wright he would be viable.
mr. environment? no wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

ATTENTION: LOIS, CALIFORNIA
IF YOU CAN RECALL CORRECTLY THE SNAKES TOOK THE VOTE BECAUSE 1) KERRY CONCEDED, 2) THE REPUBS (BUSH PARTY) MANIPULATED THE SYSTEM AND THE VOTES, AND 3) REGISTERED VOTERS WHERE TURNED AWAY AFTER WAITING IN LINE FOR SEVERAL HOURS. SO TOO BAD FOR MCCAIN THAT THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA ARE AWAKE TO THAT TYPE OF UNDERHANDED SCHEME. GO OBAMA/CLINTON! TO VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE VOTE DEMOCRAT

After tonight Barack will be within 50 delegates of having the 2025 majority required for nomination. There are eleven days until the May 31 DNC Committee meeting. My bet is that Barack gets 50 additional superdelegates by May 31st and this is all over.

The Demacrate SO FAR LEFT (and dump media)
has only promoted “The Emperor”s New Clothes”
One see the clothes.
One see the color.
One see the body.

al: According to Obama though, he needs to study the 57 states that he thinks we live in.
Also, please someone inform Obama that they do not speak Arabic in Afghanistan.
Heh! Question to Obama! Does Canada have a president or a prime minister?
Obama….I DON”T KNOW!!!!! HELLLLLLO!!!!

Sucking up guys. Clinton is defeated.
Demacrate will take another lesson.

“will of the people” can also mean who wins the popular vote. What more will is that??

Well, for the last eight years we’ve seen our military, our economy, and our world esteem ruined by the failed Bush policies.
What a sad end of the Bush Regime to see this argueing within the Democratic Party.
It’s so true that this generation is all about “ME” and not about our country and what needs to be done to restore it. Shame on all of you.

Any claim about the majority of pledged delegates is nothing more than a veiled threat to put the black vote cow on the line if SDs dare to vote against him in the convention. This man is an artist when it comes to playing the race card softly.

“Sweetie” Bo wants to change America – he will give away all your stuff and all the jobs to his revolutionary friends – they have planned all along to overthrow the US Government. If you own any property, it will be divied up among the 3rd world countries. It’s only fair. Have fun with your new country!

I can’t decide if some of these biards are populated mostly by Limbaugh losers or sore loser Hillary fans.In either event,it is extremely likely that Obama will win both the Democratic nomination & the presidential election.Then all you bitter females/repressed Republicans can moan and groan for 8 more years.

dl, the party members are not the voters. I’m a voter, but I’ll never be a member of the Democratic party. The SuperD’s purpose is to get a Dem elected in the GE, thus their loyalty is only to the party. The pledged delegates reflect the voters – not the party.

hoosier sue
you mean like how they have gone back in almost every state Obama has gotten more and more delegates because the initial counts were swayed incorrectly toward Hillary?
or that the MSM has not asked a single question about a single one of the lists of scandals with the Clintons in this whole primary?
is that what you mean.
the same scandals that the republicans were saving up to release in the general…you know the ones that everyone said were going to be her biggest challenge when she ran…yet..silence…not a peep…
and all America knows is there was something called whitewater and Monica lewinsky… oh and the republicans tried and couldn’t find anything (which is false)
You are blinded by this whacked demagoguery.
If this had been any other candidate…they would have been forced out a long time ago.
can you imagine if Joe Biden…or Chris Dodd did this… event thoguh the math was insurmountable and they kept saying nasty things and encouraged their supporters to do the same… at the candidate lets say Hillary was the one with insurmountable numbers… saying she can’t win working class men won’t vote for her.
they woudl have been drubbed to France.
but you all don’t see that from the little worlds you are living in.

When Obama takes back the White House, there will be huge change. College Students will never have to pay for student loans again and they can spend all their money on clothes and shoes like they do now and not worry about debt ever. Obama is giving us promises we can believe in. There will be plenty of sacrifices. Taking from the rich and giving to the poor. ANd legalizing cocaine so 16 year olds can get high and still run for president. And women will have to stand by their men. Behind them, actually. Some of the most innocent victims of all this will be the dignified AA voters who are getting a president they did not know they were voting for. Yeah that Obama has the Wright Stuff.

Remember that winner take all gave us Bush, and when he did’t get them all he took them anyway.

Florida baby,
You said: Obama worked tirelessly to obtain the goal of 2026.
He did not work so hard, every time he lose the Super Ds shower him with lots of endorsement.
That’s why he is almost get to the goal now.

Obama can declare himself the nominee, but that won’t make it true. We won’t have a nominee until the convention.

How does the democratic party make a mockery of democracy:
Comparison of Texas primary and caucas results
Texa Primary
Candidate Votes Vote % P.Deleg
Clinton 1,459,814 51% 65
Obama 1,358,785 47% 61
4 points win to Clinton
Texa Caucus
Candidate Votes Vote % P.Deleg
Obama 23,918 56% 38
Clinton 18,620 44% 29
12 points loss to Clinton
Comparison of Washington Caucus and Primary:
Washington Caucus
Candidate Votes Vote % P.Deleg
Obama 21,629 68% 59
Clinton 9,992 31% 31
37 points win of Obama
Washington Primary
Candidate Votes Vote % P.Deleg
Obama 339,166 51%
Clinton 303,151 46%
6 points win of Obama
Comparison of Alaska and Virginia
Alaska
Candidate Votes Vote % P.Deleg
Obama 6,674 75% 9
Clinton 2,194 25% 4
A win of
A win of 5 pledged delegates
West Virginia
Candidate Votes Vote % P.Deleg
Clinton 239,298 67% 20
Obama 91,747 26% 8
A win of 147551 votes
A win of 12 pledged delegates
America is just like the animal farm in George Orwell.
All voters are equal: just some voters are more equal than the others.

Oh my God…Obama blathers on and on and on in his speech tonight, which for the life of me I can’t understand why he is speaking in Iowa. The votes from Oregon haven’t even been counted yet. Don’t care if he’s expected to win there…he could have held off until tomorrow when it would be more relevant.
He can talk all about unity and coming together…but it ain’t going to happen. Hillary supporters are not bluffing about voting McCain…I will be one of them.

There sure are a bunch of children here in these trolls for sure. You women get your hankies out because you will need them pretty soon when hillery tells you all to join with the Obama team on winning the White House. Are you voting for McCain when Hillery is out there helping Obama which she will be doing? Wake Up.

I would rather take our chances on another four years with McCain than guess what will happen with Obama! When life long dems are ready to vote republican people should pay attention!
All of you are gambling on these being idle threats. What a mistake. This country is equally divided between Hillary and Obama according to voters. The supers have to find a way to solve this situation and appease both sides or McCain will be president! The votes are so close that no one at this point should be arrogant or bully enough to claim victory because it will only fuel the fire. If the dem party is to win in the fall people need to put their heads together and find a solution. Of course Hillary will say to help Obama and vise versa, but that does not mean it will happen! People I have talked with are very serious on this issue. 27 people alone in one family will vote McCain that I am aware of. Wake up DNC!!