What Will the Edwards Endorsement Mean for Obama and Clinton?
ABC News’ David Chalian Reports: As the political world mulls the meaning (or lack thereof) in former Sen. John Edwards’ endorsement of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seven points to consider:
1. Endorsements don’t really carry much sway with voters.
2. This comes on the heels of 48 hours of an intense media spotlight (and much discussion since the April 22 PA primary) focused on Barack Obama’s apparent troubles wooing white working class voters to his campaign in large numbers. Edwards can likely serve as a high profile validator for Obama with those voters.
3. John Edwards recently said in some interviews that he was suspect about how much endorsements matter and that it appeared to him that Sen. Obama was quite likely to be the nominee.
4. This also comes on the heels of Sen. Clinton’s huge victory in West Virginia. Her decision to do TV interviews with all the network anchors Wednesday afternoon was an attempt to parlay that West Virginia primary victory into a news cycle of mini-momentum if — for nothing else — than to raise some badly needed cash off of it. The Obama decision to roll this high profile endorsement out in time to be taken live on the evening newscasts is a clear attempt to steal Clinton’s West Virginia thunder.
5. Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama sought Edwards’ endorsement in person at the Edwards home in North Carolina.
6. Elizabeth Edwards in the past has said she would not necessarily feel obliged to support the same candidate her husband chose to support. She will not be a part of her husband’s endorsement, and Mrs. Edwards has been on the record endorsing Sen. Clinton’s health care plan over that of Sen. Obama’s.
7. Endorsements don’t really carry much sway with voters.
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It means nothing. The dems have already shoot their own foot – they have no way out. What a pity to lose a general election in a year that any dummy could have won, but it was possible for the dems to pick up the only person they could find to lose.
On the other hand, the reps were able to find the only person on that side who is going to have appeal to the dems side.
Most “less-educated bitter” voters will go for McCain.
Posted by: fat cat | May 14, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
This isn’t news. It’s been known for weeks and maybe months Obama is the presumptive Democratic nominee.
Edwards endorsement only amplifies that fact.
Great News
Posted by: Vanessa | May 14, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
This endorsement doesn’t mean anything. I’m trying to figure out what these people are drinking. The reason why Edwards didn’t do as well in the primaries is because people remember the last election. Hillary might want unity for the Democrats but so much hurt and dissing has been going on that it will be hard for unity. I think independent candidates will draw more voters this year than last time. As a Hillary supporter, everytime something like this happens to change the subject from what Hillary is doing, it angers me to no end.
Posted by: Lois, California | May 14, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
It means one thing, if Edwards ever runs for office again, there is no way that I will believe he is for the working person, or the poor. If he was, he would have endorsed Hillary.
I hope people will remember these people in the future and when they go on their politcal speech making trips, their words aren’t worth 2 cents. Just politcal talk.
Edwards is just like other rats who have jumped ship, full of hot air.
Posted by: Mickey | May 14, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
ONE LOSER ENDORSING ANOTHER LOSER. Edwards is trumped by PEOPLE POWER.
The West Virginia resounding defeat of Obama was an expression of PEOPLE POWER that proclaimed Sen. Clinton is the Democratic presidential nominee. The PEOPLE POWER of Sen Clinton’s victory trounced the pro-Obama biased media. Superdelegates who are endorsing Obama daily in an end run around the Democratic nomination process to swipe the nomination for Obama should ponder seriously the PEOPLE POWER that buttresses Sen. Clinton. Edwards, Obama and his superdelegates are taking the Democratic Party down the path of a train wreck in November.
Posted by: crat3 | May 14, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
LOL whatever…matters to LOTS of people….
Posted by: Brian | May 14, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
When working-class people clearly expressed dislike one candidate overwhelming, how would Edwards, who claimed himself the one fought for working-class people, stand agaisnt the will of working-class people…
Unless he was not the one he claimed…
Posted by: True Truth | May 14, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Who’s John Edwards? So he wants to be Veep – don’t you mean Creep!
Posted by: Overland Trail | May 14, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
SM-what’s going on? how come the news isn’t covering this???
Posted by: CJ | May 14, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Hillary will take it to the convention floor, she has taken Obama’s thunder from his early election victories and once she wins the nomination will springboard into november. It ain’t over till its over and that ain’t till August. Obama’s thunder is gone he’s dragging in the fourth quarter. Don’t look at the pledge or super delgate numbers look at the map amd compare the states hillary has won to the won obama has won then you can see that only she can win in November.
Posted by: al | May 14, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
Shame on ABC for letting the Obama campaign control the content of the nightly news with their live feed. Hillary’s remarkable victory in W.Virginia, and the exposure of serious deficiencies in Obama’s electability, was wiped off the screen. Was ABC just manipulated or is ABC on the Obama bandwagon? Neither is acceptible.
Posted by: Jules Zysman | May 14, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
Hillary is ahead in the popular vote as of last night. The DNC insiders awash in the Obama war chest are overturning the popular vote.
It means they lose in the general election. There will not be a united Democratic Party because of the misdeeds of the DNC. Let it roll.
McCain is not Bush.
Posted by: len | May 14, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
So that polecat, John Edwards, endorsed Obama???? What’s in it for him?? ROFLMAO – Bill Richardson must be shaking in his cowboy boots!
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Edwards need a job, ever since he was on the losing ticket in 2004 he hasn’t been able to win one election.
Now obama’s in Michagen looking for their votes, that seems strange since he fought to prevent a democratic primary in Michagen, yea, thats what you call just plain rude. he’s got some nerve. but don’t worry the GOP won’t let him off the hook that easy. There gonna say to the voters of Florida and Michigen oh yea now he wants your vote but in the primaries he fought to keep you from casting your vote. Stupid is what stupid does..
Posted by: al | May 14, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
I think Edwards waited this long because he wants a job. It won’t be VP, but it will likely be a cabinet appointment. If he was really on BO’s bandwagon all this time, he would have come out before PA or IN, when it counted. It took NO COURAGE to endorse this late.
I don’t blame the guy, but I stand by my assertion. The democrats are making a huge collasal mistake. The only way out now is to persuade Hillary to be on the ticket. And I am not sure she will do it, frankly, I don’t know if I would. I don’t see him winning.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | May 14, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
WELCOME jOHNNY BOY IT TOOK AWHILE , BUT IT WAS WELL PLAN ,HOW ABOUT BARACK PUTTING EVERYONE ON HIS CABINET.
THE QUICKER HILLARY BOW OUT , THE BETTER CHANCE SHE GETS A NICE POSITION IN OBAMA CABINET, AND EVEN PUSH SOME OF HER ISSUE , AND UNITE . TONITE IS A GREAT START.COME ON CLINTONS LETS GET TOGETHER FOR NOVMEBER.
Posted by: mary46 | May 14, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
Vanessa is right. This has no news values. John Edwards couldn’t bring voters and lost in his own state for John Kerry in 2004. He doesn’t mean very much at all.
Mr.Green Barack Obama will not win this year. Too bad.
Posted by: minil | May 14, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Funny how all the men who failed in their Presidential bids have lined up behind Obama–Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson, Dukakis, McGovern and now Edwards! My take is that Edwards’ endorsement is a desperate attempt to save the man’s face after a thorough spanking by the woman at WV.
It will have as much impact on Obama’s chances with core voters as did the much-touted Kennedy (and Kerry)endorsement in Massachusetts where HRC won by 15%, and as Oprah’s and Caroline Kennedy’s endorsements had in California where HRC also won.
Poor Democrats! They hastily chose a nominee without vetting, just to spite the “Clinton dynasty?” only to find that he cannot get the support of core and necessary groups of the voters they need to win in November. A nominee who is mathematically ahead but who was chosen mainly by African Americans, college students and their professors.
Now they scramble to help him in a futile bid to avert an inevitable defeat for the Party in November with an Obama candidature. Poor Democrats!
Posted by: adellani | May 14, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
i have one better john edwards supreme court justice.
first person Obama appoints for supreme justice. Mr. John Edwards.
compassion and understanding.
Posted by: henry | May 14, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Why would Hillary want to sully her image with working class voters just to do all the work as VP to Obama? You know he’d be calling on her for help (like he did in the debates) and then take credit for her wisdom.
Posted by: Kitty | May 14, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
We have 14 weeks till the convention don’t tell me that its too late to have an election in Florida and Michigan.
How do you win a national election when you fought to prevent the people of florida and michagen from casting their votes during the primaries.
Answer: You don’t win, you lose. How do you tell people I want your vot in November when you fought to keep them away from the ballot box in the primaries. Does anyone know how you do that?
Posted by: al | May 14, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
In the end, the DNC as well as Obama and his supporters, will reap what they have sown.
For sure, their harvest will be very, very bitter…
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
3 republicans alread lost so far , doesn’t matter who the democrat put up ,
people had enough of george bush and now McCain promise 4 more years to carry on his policy , not a chance.
John Mc-bush will get blown out , he is soo flawed he cant even carry the Republican base , Hucakbee and others keep getting the core votes in these end primaries.
Posted by: end-is-near | May 14, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
It means the dems need to win…more than Hillary deserves some kind of birthrite…and Obama has garnered more votes even counting the two states (if you count the no choice in Michigan since his anme was not on the ballot)
and won every margin…
More Americans want Obama than Hillary.
Period.
That is the point…and Edwards is saying with whatever voice he has… don’t be fooled or mislead…the primary is finished and dems need to win. Hillary did not win …can not win more votes.
Too manu issues for her to keep pushing storylines that hurt the issues.
Posted by: dl | May 14, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
I will not vote for Obama. He attended a racist church for 20 years. I am not racist, but I view him to be! I have no problem voting for a black man or woman, I just will not vote for this man, regardless of the amount of coloring in his skin. I feel that the media is responsible for favorably promoting him over others from the beginning. I am very frustrated over the fact that the media is saying that people are voting for Hillary because they are racist. I see Hillary as being the best candidate to win in the General Election. I am college graduate living in FL. Obama did not allow for a revote and chose not to place his name on the MI ballot. Some have said they are not concerned with losing women and working-class people from the Democratic party because they have plenty of new and younger voters to take their places. My loyalty to the party is waning because it seems that the party cares not about my vote or the votes of others like me. Hillary is the best candidate to win the GE and no one should be telling her to drop from the race. I hope she takes it all the way to the Convention, if needed. Go HILLARY!
Posted by: JD in FL | May 14, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Our egos can either add to what is precieved as an uncomfortable situation called drama or accept the situation as it is for the moment. When we put out negative energy we recieve negative responses. Breath folks. The partnering between the two candidates is not good or bad rather, it is what it is, “an endorsement”.
Posted by: Words | May 14, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Wow, I’m impressed at how many uninformed and unintelligent comments are on here.
Even for a blog, it’s pretty amazing how many people make claims that they don’t back up with any facts or citations, and offer false rumors as proof of their misinformed opinions.
Posted by: Sioen | May 14, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Al why don’t you tell Hillary to say yes to the stipulations that were laid at HER campaigns feet to count them or revote.
Both of which were very fair …no she wants Michigan to count as is …c’mon.
This is done…and everyone in the world besides a handful of Hillary supporters have woken up to that.
and that handful is just for some reason having a tough time putting what is right ahead of their own anger at not having their way.
sorry but that is the truth.
Posted by: dl | May 14, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Dear Al,
Nobody “fought” to keep Michigan and Florida from voting. Everyone knew what the rules were going into the primaries, and both Clinton and Obama agreed to them (in fact, Bill Clinton helped set them!). The powers that be in Michigan and Florida decided to break the rules. Clinton now wants to change the rules since she didn’t win.
We are supposed to be a nation based on the rule of law, not Royal fiat. If you agree with our founding fathers, you then believe that the agtreed upon rules need to be followed by everyone. I can understand that you feel cheated out of having influence, however your anger should be directed at the State leaders who decided to break the rules. Ironically, had they had their primary election within the agreed upon time frame, you would have had even greater influence, but, like I said, we are a nation based on laws, not the whims of rulers.
Posted by: John | May 14, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Maybe Edwards can help Obama win KY…
If not, it just means even Edwards cannot fix Obama’s problems…
Posted by: True Truth | May 14, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Why do you guys keep screaming about West Virginia? Ok, I congratulate Hillary on her West Vigina victory but we do not live in the United States of West Virginia!!!! We live in the United States of America (PERIOD)! West Virginia is a miniscule state with only 5 measley Electoral Votes!!!!! Obama has won over 30 States, has more pledge delegates, more super delegates, and more votes!!!!
So, stop saying that the Dems and Obama are stealing this nomination. They won it fair and square. West Virgina had their say. So did North Carolina, Illinois, Georgia, Missouri, South Carolina, Iowa, Connecticut, and the rest. If Hillary is the most electable candidate, why can’t she win a simple nomination where she started with more money, generous press coverage, and a 100+ Superdelegate lead?? Why couldn’t she close the deal given her massive head start? What has all of that so called experience brought her and her 20 million dollar indebted campaign? Sorry, but I’d rather have Obama, a man who knows what he’s doing in the WHite House.
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
JD in FL
your party cares about bringing the soldiers home.
Saving the planet
Getting the poor and disenfranchised healthcare
Women’s rights
getting our standing back in the world
separation of church and state
the constitution
solving the housing crisis…not letting it “work itself out”
and so many other issues…
your party is the party if elected will bring the world back to the American table as an ally.
getting our education level competitive with the 50 countries thata re ahead of us…
so if you don’t think you believe in your party because they didn’t cowtow to the old boys netwrok and Hillary Clinton…
then I feel bad for you.
and vote out of spite but it won’t be the right thing to do…and somewhere deep inside of you …you (all) know that.
but it does feel good to vote out of anger I guess… too bad it won’t feel good in 4 years.
Posted by: dl | May 14, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
Obamaknew…
…but you didn’t.
wake up.
Posted by: dl | May 14, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Another attempt to run Hillary out of the campaign.JE is another smooth talking opportunistic politician who wanted to time his endorsement for perfection.Running out Hillary is going to backfire for the Democratic party who are arrogant,sexists and snobish.BO is too arrogant and snooty and dismissive.In Hillary Clinton we have seen the most combative resilient and fighting spirit we have ever seen in a woman who has stood up to the elitist sexist party and the media and stood eyeball to eyeball with men.Too bad the Democrats can’t see past thier noses and elect this truly amazing, courageous woman. In her speeches last night and today she has also shown grace and magnamity not seen in her arrogant opponent.The elitist and sexist Democratic party should be taken to the cleaners.Men for women and women for womn should rise. It is time for independents and fair minded Democrats to say enough is enough and don’t belittle women any more.The ubderhand way BO has set about in trying to boot HRC while playing true in public is typical of BO that Americans have yet to see.Race is not a factor and color is certainly not a factor, but, this man is a true phony, who is taking the Americans for a ride.
Posted by: Warren5678 | May 14, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
The arrogant elitist Democratic party will never select a woman to be a President. The Deans and the Pelosis ( nasty catwoman), the Kennedys and the kerrys will never have it.It is time to say no the Democrats.Thow out the best ever, yes, the best ever Presidential candidate and we will throw you out.HRC, the way you have taken on your opponenents head on in their own back yards, even winning media admiration is truly amazing. You are a woman of true grits and steel. I salute you.
Posted by: Warren5678 | May 14, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
@DemocratsUnited – Not only his word, but several others. Maybe you should check out talk radio sometime and listen to what the Right-wingers are talking about. They have interesting plans for Obama. It just might set your hair on fire. Furthermore, from what I have been hearing, Obama’s scandals are far jucier and newer… lol.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
John,
I agree with you 100% Clinton does not have a prayer in Oregon. There are too many Educated, Latte Sipping, Starbucks going, Prius Driving Elitist living in that state. She insulted them a great deal.
This will be Obama’s West Virginia. That is going to be the big prize next tuesday and will have twice as many delegates as West Virginia in play. The thing is, Clinton may have had a chance in West Virginia, if she had let the bitter comments pass. She should have accepted as a mispeak and moved on. She would have won Pennsylvania anyway. Everyone knew it was going to happen. But she insulted a great many Americans with her own ambitions and now, when she needs them again in Oregon, they will not be there to deliver :(
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
Mickey,
You are right.
Especially his hair costs $400.
Posted by: catleya | May 14, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
@DemocratsUnited – Sorry you don’t listen to talk radio – it could give you some idea of the Republican’s game plan – which is why I listen to the other side… The media won’t touch it, I agree, but those 527 groups will, not to mention those other videos that are out on the net. It will be the drip, drip, drip effect. Too many people saying the same thing and people will begin to believe their is some truth to the rumor. Not good at all.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
Can the latte-drinking, pot-smoking and arugula-eating Obamamaniac enlighten me why Edwards’s endorsement is at all relevant?
He’s joined a long list of wannabes: Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Howard Dean, George McGovern, Bill Richardson, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson & his son, Chris Dodd…
How many of them was elected President?
How many of them was elected President twice?
How many of them ever lifted a finger for the middle class whose cause they claim to champion?
If they are waiting for the middle class to become as poor as the poor before offering them any help, I certainly want them to say it loudly on television (instead of laughing at the “poor, ignorant” Whites at some party hosted by Nancy Pelosi somewhere off limits to the media—such as that place in San Fran where Mr. Obama ridiculed tens of millions of them).
Edwards Home County’s Largest
http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=3848
http://www.johnlocke.org/site-docs/images/edwardshouse-low.jpg
Posted by: Brent | May 14, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
I think I agree with #1.
Endosement don’t really carry much sway with voters.
Posted by: catleya | May 14, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
It won’t mean much to Hillary supporters. Obama evidently needed a high profile endorsement to take away the spotlight of Hillary trouncing him in West Virginia Tuesday. Did he offer Edwards the Vice President slot? Why did Edwards tell Larry King on May 12, to let the voters make the decision? Today is May 14. That is a sudden turn-a-round. Is that why it was a surprise on the evening news tonight? Is that why Elizabeth was not with him? Obama needed Edwards in Michigan to make his pitch for working class voters. Perhaps it was planned long ago. In either case, Edwards is double-talking, too. Just like Obama.
Kerry/Edwards–Losers
Obama/Edwards–Losers
Sorry, Elizabeth.
Bill Richardson must be so disheartened at this point. He had such high aspirations. It’s okay. You would not have won in November either.
Posted by: georgia | May 14, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
@lucy | May 14, 2008 8:07:20 PM
Wow, you nailed it beautifully. Thanks.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
What do these Super D see on him to be on his side.
Do they know him well?
Posted by: catleya | May 14, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
@DemocratsUnited – Non-issue? Can you say “swiftboat”?? I think you are going to get schooled if Obama wins this nom. Remember, the MSM has not really looked into anything about Obama. If I was Obama, I would spend a little time thinking about “spin and innuendo.” Just saying…
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
Catleya,
The Super Delegates see three things:
#1, He has an insurmountable lead in delegates. He has created a massive fundraising machine that is uprecedented, giving him enormous resources for the GE.
#2, Everyone who has served with him know him to be an honorable person. Even McCain and other republicans have said this. The problem is that they KNOW HILLARY. That KNOW that she is someone that will eat her young for a political advantage. Ask Al Gore and John Kerry.
Trust me, they decided to endorse Obama once they realized that she could be beaten. This serves as payback for all the nastiness that she has done to her own brethren in her fight for political power.
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
LeeLee07,
Clinton has tried to “Swiftboat” Obama many times in this campaign and look where that’s gotten her. In many ways, I thank her because this process has made Obama even more stronger. He will surely beat McCain. Oh, and BTW, the dems are prepaired for the swiftboats this year.
Oh, and let me school you a little. In order to run an effective “Swiftboat” campaign, No one has to see it coming. It has to catch the target off guard. WIth this being on the internet and talk radio for months now, can you honestly say that the massive machine Obama has created will not be ready for this? That would be beyond idiocy.
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
Whenever the people sends a signal to the party about their decisions, the party immediately send someone to bring silence.
Is this the party you want to be affiliated with? It is the party on the top which never wants to hear from you until election time. Even in election time, you are nothing but figures and MATH which has been manipulated.
That is why the working class leaving the party?
There is a need of a third party for the middle class. There should be a third choice. Yes, the LABOUR party.
Posted by: John_Lai | May 14, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
well, it will anger clinton supporters and turn them farther from the party.
Posted by: tony | May 14, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Sluggo,
How much HillaryJuice have Clinton supporters been drinking? Have you seen the vile things they have been posting?
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
To DemocratsUnited-
Let me “school” you:
It’s not “even more stronger.” It’s just “stronger.”
And the correct spelling is “prepared.”
Posted by: Karen | May 14, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
@DemocratsUnited – Clinton has not been able to campaign effectively because Obama and his surrogates cry racism everytime something critical of him is said. Fact. Obama has been running from Hillary since the last debate and really needs to grow a pair. This has not even been a campaign, just a love fest for your boy. I don’t think you can school me – I’ve been through too many campaigns. lol. Since you are so confident that Obama is untouchable then I’ll just wish you both good luck and be on my way… lol.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
John_Lai,
Please provide a basis for your arguments. First off, what clear signals have been sent to the party? Are they just suppose to accept W.V. as holier than though and disregard the rest of the (over 30) states tha voted for Obama? Are they suppose to ignore his popular vote lead? Obama had 11 landslide victories in a row, and a total of about 20 landslide victories. Hillary has had about 5 total landslide victories.
I know you are upset about Clinton losing this nomination when at first she was all but guaranteed the spot, BUT THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN. They are saying that Clinton is OUT and Obama is IN.
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
Posted by: Karen | May 14, 2008 8:59:44 PM
@Karen – Thank You!
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
endorsement doesn’t make me change my mind and vote for obama.
If obama gets the nomination, I’d rather see Clinton back in the senate than be he his VP to cover for his lack of experience and also get her supports to vote for him (people are not fool).
If Clinton runs independent I’ll support and vote for her. If she doesn’t run as President. I’ll vote for McCain over Obama.
Posted by: giz | May 14, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
To the Posted by: Lawrence | May 14, 2008 8:50:57 PM
We shall never come over it. You are wrong that OBAMA is black. He isn’t. The black community has set themselves up as the clowns of the year.
He is just an empty suit pushed out to make a fool of themselves. This is a very weak candidate which does not win the nomination and makes no attempt to win by effort; a sly politician who is a mockery of hardworking Americans.
This is the one who wants to turn the WHITE HOUSE into DARK HOUSE. This is the one who wants to put the country into shame; imagine that Michelle could be a fist lady makes U puke.
Say it with me:
NOBAMA.
The dog next door will be a better choice. It has more charm than those bunch of hypocrites.
Posted by: John_Lai | May 14, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
@giz – I will vote for McCain over Obama too. No way is Heinz57 getting my vote – even if he is wearing a flagpin and standing in front of a cross! ROFLMAO!!!!
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
go hillary. we know that you are strong. we will NOT vote for obama in november. lol. this is great. obama’s endorsements are now more about “damage control” than anything else. all of the super-d’s cant just endorse him at once or we will think she was shoved out, but the “trickle” endorsements dont work either because we know the deal. sorry dudes – a lot of us wont vote for obama.
ps: before you wave the racism flag – i’m black. before you wave the “roe v wade” flag, read planned parenthood v casey and then read my lips: i dont care! lol.
Posted by: tony | May 14, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
Democratsunited,
You said Everyone who has served with him know him to be an honorable man.
Who they are?
I thought those SD they just know him since the election started?
My opinion is they don’t want Hillary because she is too brilliant and tough and they think she may not be their
puppet.
Do you agree?
Posted by: catleya | May 14, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
To DemocratsUnited-
The Obama supporters are supposed to be the educated ones. At least, that’s what you all shout about. I was just trying to help.
When the Obama supporters on political blogs like this stop insulting the working class, I’ll stop putting you in your place.
Posted by: Karen | May 14, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
I just read through many of these blogs and I have to say it is really sad that there could be so much hatred and bitterness. I mean do you guys hear yourselves? You are down right cruel! How can any of this be productive? If this is the mentality that you all live your lives by, I wonder how successful any of you really are? You all come across as low-lives! And I mean all of you! I don’t care if you’re for McCain, Clinton, or Obama…what you write is so nasty, I really wonder how far we have REALLY come as a country!
Something for all of you to think about.
Posted by: shocked | May 14, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
ohh wow..obama wears the flag lapel pin 3 days in a row. The flag pin somehow just doesn’t look right on him. what a hypocrite!! he is new politics?? “he’s just doing what he needs to do as a politician”. At least Wright is right on that one.
Posted by: hannah | May 14, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
When people speaks by their votes, the party should listen and tries to understand, they should take the time to see into the matter and avoid over-generalization, labeling, and contradicts.
We have seen politicians sending out by the party to tell people to end the election which is an equivalent statement telling us that your votes don’t count and your voices shouldn’t be heard.
The party is not sympathetic but eccentric enough to go against the people. In general election, this will not be forgotten and forgiven. Like hell, everything in the world starts from something personal.
We have been touched by this lady. She reaches our heart and cannot be denied. This guy, OBAMA, is a stranger now and he shall pale. Hillary cannot heal the wound of the voters; believe me, we are no fools and we are not blind-folded into supporting a gallant effort.
You try to shut up our voices, and we shall turn this guy into McGovern.
It is as simple as this!
Posted by: John_Lai | May 14, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
@Catleya – I bet all of those Chicago tenants that Obama ensured had “natural” air conditioning for 3 months in the dead of winter think that he is extremely honorable! lol.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
It is big no two ways about it. Hillary can’t even enjoy her big win. Couple it with, what, 12 more suppers today, things couldn’t be worse for Hillary.
Her tone indicates that she knows it.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | May 14, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
Democratsunited,
I have lots of friends live in Oregon.
It is suppose to be close I think.
Yes, they have young college students but lots of retired people also.
Some young woman,man also go to Hillary.
It’s not easy also for Obama.
That’s why he has been working very hard on Oregon.
Posted by: catleya | May 14, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
To Kim,
Well said.
Posted by: Karen | May 14, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
catleya,
Obama has been working very hard everywhere except West Virginia. Think about it. A Black Man who is a first term senator from Illinois came from a 25 point national poll deficit 5 months ago and is now on hos way to winning the democratic nomination. And he did it without going too negative. One does not achieve this by NOT working hard. Oh, and the latest polls show Obama with a 20 point lead there.
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Not all people who failed at the presidential bid has backed Obama, yet.
Hillary will soon enough though.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | May 14, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
John Edwards couldnt deliver his state last time for Kerry as his VP and isnt even a super delegate.
His delegates are also free to vote for whomever they chose in Denver.
Posted by: s.b. | May 14, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Is Edwards now willing to accept Obama’s voting present 130 times, he sure made a big deal about it in the debate, guess it does not matter now.
Posted by: SJ | May 14, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Lots of Republicans here today, trying to convince people that they’re Democrats.
Won’t save ‘em in November, though. The vast majority of Democrats are going to make sure that McCain isn’t elected.
He’s far too scary a candidate for America, and most Americans don’t want two more conservative supreme court justices and more war.
Posted by: Mark Kraft | May 14, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
OBAMA lose by landslides after the party with their not so super delegates running out to cover for him.
The people will never stop. We shall insult the rotten party again and again by giving landslide losses to their choices.
Going into general election, their nominations are crowned with losses by more than 40 points; this certainly help their election.
If they dare to shut up our voices again, the very first election, we shall make sure that their candidates take a dive.
McGovern certainly endorses BO because they are just the lot.
See who is going to get the last laugh. The party leaders should all resign after the loss of century owing to their eccentricity; turning a sure win into avalanche losses.
Again we elect people to be president; the one who can show us the dedication. In this campaign, we see that this lady is going to loss many million dollars, many working hours, and she have turned lethal enemies into supporters.
We are deeply touched by the knighty effort from a gallant lady who put the ducking OBAMA into shames.
She charms the heart out of you. This is the caliber that BO can never match; a skittish actor behind the podium making 57 states out of the Divisive States of America.
There is nothing more sexy than salute to a lady in every morning. Saluting to a war hero is the next alternative.
NOBAMA.
Posted by: John_Lai | May 14, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
Almost Heaven!!! West Virginia gave HILLARY 73%, OBAMA 19% proving once again that Hillary wins all the swing states and is the more electable candidate for the General Election!
Now, I have to say it was one sneaky move for Obama to have the endorsement of John Edwards to take the momentum temporarily out of Hillary’s campaign, but at the end of the day, voters don’t bother about endorsements too much, otherwise they would have made a noise over Hamas endorsing him too! He needed to use the reputation of Edwards to get the white working class voters who have always supported Hillary. Just like he’s had to plagiarise, steeling every idea of Hillary’s, claiming them as his own. But what you are not hearing about is where his campaign fund have come from, or the fact that the Rezko trial is ending…when it does the truth will come to the surface. Keep an eye on it here http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/search?q=RezkoWatch+Electability+2008
because it is high time Obama was exposed for the crook he is! Damn DNC saying be nice about Obama, he is a loose cannon! Hillary has the POWER OF THE PEOPLE!
Posted by: Di | May 14, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
To think those two are the same persons that have MI voters in a mess now, but there they are in MI making this big endorsement.
Not one word as to how they will fix the problem of the MI voters, they were both to chicken to leave their names of the ballot with Hillary but they run to MI to show their support for each other.
The voter of MI must be really dumb to have Edwards and Obama play them like that.
Posted by: SJ | May 14, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Karen. I am working class and I support Obama. I wish she would stop saying that she has the working class voter.
I am 60 make 51,000, and raised 6 kids on this single salary, have 7 grand kids and lived in the same house for 33 years, paid for now. Yea and white.
That is about as middle class as one can get.
I see some ridiculous bashing on both sides of the aisle here. These are blogs, some people are here just to raise the hair on the back of our necks anyway.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | May 14, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
Final Thoughts…
This has been a long and extraordinary six months. The rules of the game were clear and understood at the beginning of the game. There were originally eight candidates in the running for the democratic nomination. Now, there are only two. While I think both Clinton and Obama would make excellent Presidents, It has become very clear who has won.
Obama has gained an insurmountable lead in delegates. He has massively outraised Clinton, and has racked up plenty of endorsements. You all can cry foul all you want, but at the end of the the day, he won. There are very few fouls in politics. The voters are the referees and when fouls are committed, the candidates are penalized.
I know that there are millions of upset Clinton supporters out there. But the fact is that there are more people that voted for Obama. At the end of this process, even when you include Michigan and Florida, Obama will still have the lead in votes and delegates. That is democracy. I know that there will be sour grapes, but that is Human Nature. The fact is that Obama and Clinton are the same on a big majority of the issues. Obama has managed to bring in millions of new voters to the democratic party and has rewritten the book on fundraising.
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
If the Clintons (plural) don’t get the nomination, I’m voting for McCain because I feel so deeply about the “issues.”
Posted by: x32792 | May 14, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
Guess what Edwards’ endorsement accomplished? It’s all about the TIMING! At exactly 6:30 eastern/5:30 central time they went live with the endorsement at an Obama Rally effectively knocking Hillary as the lead story spot on every primetime and cable news network. DAMN! I’ve said it all along: Obama is winning because HE IS RUNNING A BETTER CAMPAIGN! This was pure tactical GENIUS tonight! He doesn’t have to run a negative campaign, but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t know how to RUN! If you want a true measure of how good he is, how much money has he raised? How much DEBT does Hillary have? Yea, that’s right. She can’t run a campaign and she isn’t capable of running this country. It’s time to name the Democratic Nominee (BARACK OBAMA!) and get on with our Presidential campaign! And, by the way, Edwards has already stated previously that he doesn’t want to be the VP. I’m thinking more along the lines of Attorney General.
Posted by: millie-lou | May 14, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
Updated
Final Thoughts…
This has been a long and extraordinary six months. The rules of the game were clear and understood at the beginning of the game. There were originally eight candidates in the running for the democratic nomination. Now, there are only two. While I think both Clinton and Obama would make excellent Presidents, It has become very clear who has won.
Obama has gained an insurmountable lead in delegates. He has massively outraised Clinton, and has racked up plenty of endorsements. You all can cry foul all you want, but at the end of the the day, he won. There are very few fouls in politics. The voters are the referees and when fouls are committed, the candidates are penalized.
I know that there are millions of upset Clinton supporters out there. But the fact is that there are more people that voted for Obama. At the end of this process, even when you include Michigan and Florida, Obama will still have the lead in votes and delegates. That is democracy. I know that there will be sour grapes, but that is Human Nature. The fact is that Obama and Clinton are the same on a big majority of the issues. Obama has managed to bring in millions of new voters to the democratic party and has rewritten the book on fundraising.
If us democrats are serious about sending the republicans their White House eviction notices, then we need to come together behind our nominee and stand with that person through the fight ahead and against any and all swiftboat style politics and their nasty, divisive campaigning.
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
–Second Update (sorry, trying to figure out where the supposed spam is…)
Final Thoughts…
This has been a long and extraordinary six months. The rules of the game were clear and understood at the beginning of the game. There were originally eight candidates in the running for the democratic nomination. Now, there are only two. While I think both Clinton and Obama would make excellent Presidents, It has become very clear who has won.
Obama has gained an insurmountable lead in delegates. He has massively outraised Clinton, and has racked up plenty of endorsements. You all can cry foul all you want, but at the end of the the day, he won. There are very few fouls in politics. The voters are the referees and when fouls are committed, the candidates are penalized.
I know that there are millions of upset Clinton supporters out there. But the fact is that there are more people that voted for Obama. At the end of this process, even when you include Michigan and Florida, Obama will still have the lead in votes and delegates. That is democracy. I know that there will be sour grapes, but that is Human Nature. The fact is that Obama and Clinton are the same on a big majority of the issues. Obama has managed to bring in millions of new voters to the democratic party and has rewritten the book on fundraising.
If us democrats are serious about sending the republicans their White House eviction notices, then we need to come together behind our nominee and stand with that person through the fight ahead and against any and all swiftboat style politics and their nasty, divisive campaigning.
The Republicans practice divide and conquerpolitics and they execute it well. It is time to stand up against this type of leadership and unite.
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
Hillary Supporters:
If and when Hillary asks you to vote for Barack Obama in the General, will you ignore yor favorite candidate?
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 14, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Hillary cannot win. She would have to take 70% of the remaining delegates. It’s not going to happen so enough with the it’s not over until it’s over crap. Enough of the anything can happen junk. She will stick it out but on June 3rd it will be officially over.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
To Tom-
I’m a Hillary supporter and I don’t want Michigan and Florida delegates seated because I think it will help her win. I want them seated because they’re voters who deserve to be counted. It doesn’t matter which candidate gets the delegates. If we leave them out of the decision-making process, they’ll feel cheated. That’s more than two million voters. You want those voters in November.
Posted by: Karen | May 14, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
It will be a sad day for many of you on June 3rd. Hillary will be announcing her withdrawal from the campaign and you Hillary lovers will need to get back to your boring empty lives.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Edwards would be a great Veep choice – or a Secretary of Labor in an Obama administration. Obama/Edwards has a nice ring to it. Hillary’s days, even with Kentucky next week, are numbered. Edwards can start touring Kentucky to help Barack. Sounds like a plan!
Posted by: David F. McBride | May 14, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Edwards would be a great Veep choice – or a Secretary of Labor in an Obama administration. Obama/Edwards has a nice ring to it. Hillary’s days, even with Kentucky next week, are numbered. Edwards can start touring Kentucky to help Barack. Sounds like a plan!
Posted by: David F. McBride | May 14, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
For Obama, it means that the Democrats are determined to do all they can to “man up” to the Presidency. For Edwards, it’s a sell out. For Clinton, it’s another remarkable display of candidates calling for “change” who insist on the same old thing. What can you say to a $300 haircut on state with an empty designer suit? Hail to the Chief? Third Party. Now.
Posted by: Mandelay3 | May 14, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
To DemocratsUnited-
I’m sure Hillary will ask her supporters to back Obama. But she, like Obama, is a politician under pressure from her party. I am an American who can make my own decision on who gets my vote. I will wait to see who McCain and Obama select as their VPs. I will also listen to their arguments as their campaigns continue. I would expect the same from the rest of the country.
Posted by: Karen | May 14, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
READY999 – I’m not a guy … lol.
A Proud, Black, Hillary, Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Obama has unsurmountable lead over Hillary not because he is an outstanding candidate on his own merits. His lead is due partly because of the good ole boy system in the Democratic party. They can’t stand the Clintons and they will do anything to quelch Hillary’s prospects. Obama’s earlier Super Tuesday victories are due in part because the media did not vet him at that time. At the end of the day, don’t expect an united party especially when the good ole boys have thrown Hillary under the bus. She has been a tough and formidable candidate on her own.
Posted by: kim | May 14, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
I find it hard to believe that any of you really still think Hillary can win this thing.
Posted by: Tom | May 14, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
The problem is that Hillary doesn’t want any revote or recount in Florida and Michigan. She wants the delegates split up as they stand right now. Sorry Hillary but that’s not going to happen no matter how much high pitched screaming you do.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
To Millie-lou,
You’re right, calling a woman “sweetie” in the right context is not sexist. Calling a professional woman “sweetie” in the context under which Obama did was very sexist.
And no. I didn’t agree when Hillary stood by her man. But she is the first woman to ever run for president and she pretty much got half the democratic vote. That ain’t too shabby.
Posted by: Karen | May 14, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Obama thinks everything Hillary does is monumental, too. Where do you think he got all of his proposed policies from??? :D
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Hopefully for Obama’s sake Clinton just disappears after June 3rd. Having a bitter sore loser hanging around will not help the Democrates cause.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Obama calling a reporter “sweetie” is a big thing. I doubt he calls Oprah or his lawyer wife “sweetie.” It shows a total lack of respect. For a guy who is supposedly an Uniter, he is very good dividing people.
Posted by: stacy | May 14, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
LeeLee07 the only rising Hillary will be doing will be with that high pitched screetch of hers.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Endorsements come and go — the election is decided by the American voters. Just because Obama has nice photo-ops with Edwards does not make him any more or less fit to do the job of being president.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | May 14, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
West Virginia votes and the hillary supporters say she has the power of the people….
Obama wins NC by 14 pts, and won 12 straight contests, but somehow he’s stealing the nomination, hmmmmm…
Can you say double standard??
And to Kim, I took the time to weigh both Senators, and I still kept coming around to the fact that bill was the one who encouraged hillary to run. Bill wanted a third term.
As a 50 yr old black female, I voted for bill twice. And I was furious with him for disgracing OUR house. If he wanted to cheat on his wife, he should have taken it ‘outside’. And then he lied about it….to the country and the world he lied about it.
I have watched this race closely and have been totally disappointed by all the distortions, innuendo, and outright lies from not only the republicans, but within our own party, just to get hillary the nomination. It has become so blatant it is just downright disgusting. And the racial overtones/undertones….just tones all over the place, have surpassed the ridiculous stage.
Obama is winning this fair and square. He did not make the rules regarding MI and FL, but he tried to abide by them. The party needs to come to grips with the reality of his win and start working together, not continuing to fight each other over the numbers.
Listen to the reason why Edwards endorsed Obama….and he didn’t come to that conclusion on his own. Apparently he was watching and listening as well. He saw the divisions and could hear the dog whistle both clintons were blowing after the West Virginia win.
They’re not concerned about the black vote because they already figure blacks have no place else to go….
This post is too long already to go into all the distortions and smears on Obama. I’m tired of all the divisions, no more distractions….
NOT THIS TIME!
Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 14, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
The endorsement by John Edwards means nothing to me.
I can’t believe now Obama wants to come to Michigan….and I doubt very much if he would take Michigan.
I will not vote for OBAMA….I will not be a part of this love fest…cult like following of this man.
He walks on water and the media doesn’t ask him any tough questions. How are we going to trust him to be President when we don’t know what he is all about. SCARY……
I will for the first time in a long time not vote in the election.
Posted by: Jan in MI | May 14, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
It means Edwards political career is over. He just flipped the bird to West Virgina one of the “poorest” states in the country. Great noww Obama has the losing ticket Kerry-Edwards. plus all the other losers.
Posted by: geevill | May 14, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
Try listening people….
Edwards called Obama to endorse, not the other way around.
If you listen, he explains WHY he endorsed, even after saying he would wait.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 14, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Don’t worry, Eddie – If Heinz57 gets the nod, both he and Michelle will be screeching on November 6th. Maybe you might want to save some of that refreshing kool-aid to help calm their nerves down after they realize that the Hillary Supporters caused President McCain to win the election by a landslide!
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Believe Hillary and Bill have made well over $100 million since he left office. Edwards is multimillionaire elitist and knows nothing about the middle class blue colar workers but the Clintons do?
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
When a candidate comes into light against the Clinton name and history then it would seem the Clintons would have had this won many months ago. Never did they imagine that this young Senator would bring such a hope and unity of the young as well as the old to the Democratic Party. When the Clintons ran before there was never such a unity. Senator Obama is a freshness that is well overdue. Now that we know that the inevitable is near we must stand behind our candidate as Senator Clinton has said. We no longer can say Clinton 08 or Obama 08 but we must say Democrats 08 to put a Democrat in the Whitehouse.
Posted by: Ann California | May 14, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
Obama looses West Virgina by a landslide and gains superdelegates. The peoples voices from West Virgina apparently did not drive a message home to the elitist Democratic Good Ole Boys club. Every time Hillary has won a state lately, the cronies have been signing up for Obama’s camp. This includes John Edwards. Go figure!
Posted by: Stacy | May 14, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Howard Wolfson says NOW, the number to reach is 2209. He says that 2025 is a phony number.
Does that mean the pledge they signed that stated FL and MI won’t count and they could not campaign in either state….was that a phony pledge?
Stop changing the rules in the middle of the game….our children are watching us live, and what we DO shouts louder than anything we say.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 14, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
John Edwards endorsement after Obama lost big among the working class white voters in West Virginia is similar to Bill Richardson endorsement after Barack Obama lost 2-1 among Latinos in Texas.
After a failed campaign demanding Hillary Clinton to drop out the race, the “Grumpy Old Men” ideas of the Democratic Party establishment behind Barack Obama are recognizing that his electability is suffering a 2008 version of the “1994-Angry White Male”.
For young voters, Barack Obama candidacy is suffering a 2008 version of defeat of the “1994-Angry White Male” when working class white males supported Republican candidates by more than 20% margin during the 1994 midterm election.
With working class white voters, older voters and Hispanics supporting Hillary Clinton 2-1, Where is Barack Obama coalition to win in November?
Posted by: Angel | May 14, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
LeeLee07 Hillary is a criminal who would be in jail had she not been the first lady. It’s funny how quickly people forget.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
OMG, Bishop – That was too funny!!!!! :D
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
To Millie-lou,
Well, we both have our opinions.
I’m just glad plenty of women have spoken up and gotten their panties in a bunch over comments like “sweetie.” It’s probably why we enjoy our right to vote today.
Posted by: Karen | May 14, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
Monique you have been posting the same crap for the last couple of days. It looks like the same cut and paste post.
The burden of proof is on larry….makes you wonder why MSM hasn’t reported on it, right?!
Anyone can throw out accusations…that doesn’t make it true.
Just ask Tucker Carlson…his life and career was almost ruined on a lie.
The lengths some people will go to destroy a person….pathetic.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 14, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
John Edwards, if you are looking for a job, just say it. Please do not try to make it so nobel.
He has claimed himself the one fought for working-class and it turns out to be for his political advantage.
Democratic Party is not the party used to be. They have been treated Hillary and her supporters so badly, calling them bitter, racist, uneducated… you name it.
Posted by: Jason | May 14, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
Call me crazy but I wish Mccain would pick Hillary as his V.P. I want to hurt the dems so bad.
Posted by: Vi | May 14, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
I don’t know how but I just know Hillary is going to win this thing.
Posted by: Bishop | May 14, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
NEWS FLASH! Obama has won the Democratic Nomination. He has won more popular vote, more pledged delegates, more states and more superdelegates. I happen to be a Patriotic American who believes in democracy and by all measures Obama has won. Moreover he fought hard for the nomination and EARNED the victory. Hillary has lost. There it is. He will win against McCain in November, as much as you are hoping he won’t. Childish and pathetic of you, but you aren’t fully to blame. Hillary has convinced you that it’s okay to run a Rovian campaign. Her marketing and focus-group war room worked it’s voodoo on many of you. True, it tends to work and that’s why she and Karl Rove and Bush and Cheney and – well, Republicans – use it. And you fell for it hook, line and sinker. Sadly, it’s what she knows how to do and she learned from the sleaziest. And STILL, with all that Rove Market Research Magic on her side, she lost. Deal with it.
Posted by: millie-lou | May 14, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
Stacy, I can understand the connection of Obama and Wright….even the one with Obama and Ayers,
but Obama and Farrakhan??
Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 14, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
Bishop I also hear it will be raining $100 bills tomorrow morning.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
where cause I am so broke from supporting Hillary I could use some sweety
Posted by: Bishop | May 14, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
TO Karen:
I understand your feelings about the hard working Americans and their plight. And so do Obama and Edwards. They were both born to poverty and had to raise themselves out of it. Obama and his wife just recently paid off their college loans. Obama chose to help people in the inner city of Chicago after graduating from Harvard. He could have gone for riches.
Hillary however, does not and cannot understand poverty. She was born in the upper-middle class and for most of her adult life has enjoyed the rich life. She told her husband during his run for the presidency, that he didn’t owe the poor whites anything and should ignore them! She is now using those same poor whites for her own political ends as she always has.
Advise you to do more reading before you vote.
Good luck anyway.
Posted by: RWP | May 14, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
Millie-Lou, Newsflash, Obama has not quite won the Democratic Party nomination. You abuse democracy when you leave out Kentucky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana, and South Dakota. Also, you’ve left out Florida and Michigan. Speaking of Rove tactics, this seems to be more of Rove tactics. Florida was left out of 2000 election and you are doing the same.
Posted by: stacy | May 14, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
Johnny Edwards is looking for a job. The guy who supports the weak, the guy who says that he will fight for the poor guy against corporate America is looking for a job. This is what this endorsement means for Edwards. For Obama, he needed an endorsement after Hillary’s huge Virginia victory so he can steal the thunder. They are using each other and this is rather obvious. Means nothing to the Hillary supporters. My only hope is for Hillary to take this to the convention floor since endorsements do not carry weight unless the super delegates vote.
Posted by: Vote | May 14, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
TO KAREN:
I understand your feelings about the hard working Americans and their plight. And so do Obama and Edwards. They were both born to poverty and had to raise themselves out of it. Obama and his wife just recently paid off their college loans. Obama chose to help people in the inner city of Chicago after graduating from Harvard, instead of going for riches.
Hillary however, does not and cannot understand poverty. She was born in the upper-middle class and for most of her adult life has enjoyed the rich life. She told her husband during his run for the presidency, that he didn’t owe the poor whites anything and should ignore them! She is now using those same poor whites for her own political ends as she always has.
Advise you to do more reading before you vote.
Good luck anyway.
Posted by: RWP | May 14, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
Edwards was, is and will always remain an opportunist. What else can you expect from a trial lawyer. The question is what did he ask from Obama for the endorsement timed to neutralize the news of Hillary’s win in West Virginia. Who will listen to a has been times two anyway? It is sickening interesting to see all these white men banding together to beat a woman. Whether she wins the nomination or not, Hilary has earned the respect of a lot of Americans. This cannot be said of Obama or his supporters who are flocking to him because they are all scared that if the contest continues they will lose their positions of power.
Posted by: ssrj | May 14, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
Karen, when a real feminist runs for President, I will vote for her. Hillary is not that woman. (See my previous post regarding her status as a non-feminist.) I think the NARAL endorsement of Obama today speaks volumes. THEY realize she is no feminist. Smart women, those NARAL gals. Very smart.
Posted by: millie-lou | May 14, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
Millie-Lou – Like your Messiah, I see. You nor him get to call the shots. It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says it is over. You really need to stop drinking that kool-aid. Obviously, you think it gives you special powers. lol.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
Mille-Lou is either having dreams or nightmares!
Posted by: Voter | May 14, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
RWP – Couldn’t have said it better myself. She actually called rural white voters (during Bill’s presidential run) “stupid.” Hillary will do whatever is advantageous for Hillary and Bill. She always has. I really think it’s some kind of mental disorder. And everyone in the political world know this. Good Lord, if anyone thinks the Repugs wouldn’t SHRED her to pieces in a fall election – and were salivating and the possibility, they are even more delusional than Hillary is right now.
Posted by: millie-lou | May 14, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
Just because Hillary grew up in comfortable circumstances does not mean she does not understand poverty. Empathy is a god given gift. You do not have to be poor to understand the poor. Often times there are many, many mean people who are born poor and cannot empathize. Empathy is not a gift of poverty. Hillary has proven with her work over the years that she supports children and would do everything in her power to make sure her dream of health care for all would become true. Obama will just posture with his empty message ‘Change’
Posted by: Voter | May 14, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
I cannot believe the division between this party. The candidates have more sense then you voters do. The candidates are saying to unite and concentrate on the issues. The issues are not who is doing drugs or who is sleeping with who. Both candidates have skeletons in their closets . Now can we please get on with the issues of importance. All you are accomplishing is a division of our party when we need to unite against our common rival. John McCain. That is unless you like our economy the way it is now and the situation in Iraq to go on. Then by all means continue squabbling amongst eachother. Democrats 09
Posted by: Ann California | May 14, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
Karen June 3rd is the end for Hillary.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
You know this really is a sham of an election and to think I’ve hated the republicans for eight years for the same thing fixing elections. And now I will vote for one to stop Obama from getting in because his supporters remind me of Bush he buses them in he is down to hand picking them they boo and if I am not crazy there are a few repubs.working for him
Posted by: Bishop | May 14, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
BTW I don’t think Hillary showing voters in Oregon her hairy sack is going to get her much support in that state.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
I do not believe that this is the end of Hillary. She is still a respected senator in New York and will continue to do great things for her state. We will be unfortunate not to have her represent us. I am not sure that Obama will become president. He most likely be another junior senator and continue to posture. Hopefully he will find a good cause to fight for. Most likely we will get McCain.
Posted by: Voter | May 14, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
You must be in fantasy land if you think Heinz57 will become your President in November 2008. lol.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
Eddie and Millie-Lou, there is more to voting for a nominee than the magical number. If that was the case, why didn’t Obama wrap it all up on Super Tuesday in February. Also Millie-Lou, I think it is very mean-spirited to characterize Hillary as having some kind of “mental disorder” on a national website.
Posted by: stacy | May 14, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
Well this has been fun.
I think we’ve all accomplished a great deal tonight.
I think at this point, if Jesse Ventura runs as an independent, even he has a chance of winning.
Millie-Lou- good night sweetie. It’s been fun chatting with you.
Posted by: Karen | May 14, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
Bishop it’s not a sham just because you’re candidate didn’t win. That’s like Pats fans saying the Superbowl was fixed.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
It’s a sealed, done deal. Barack Obama is going to be the next president. I’m so happy – I just can’t imagine how these pro McCain (Bush) supporters expect to act when the US is no longer occupying an invaded country, or handing the war profiteers 500 billion of their hard-earned dollars. Hillary would make a great president, unlike Bush (W=worst in history) or McCain (are you so dumb you can’t even see the flip-flopper extraordinaire?) but Obama will be the Kennedy of this century. Eat-it haters, you’re done !
Posted by: looseparts | May 14, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
Emily a lot of good it did her as she loses.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
This election cycle is a sham — fixed first by the NBC cohorts, Chris Mathews and Tim Russert. The media had a big role to play by highlighting Hillary’s negatives and downplaying Obama’s negatives. It is still happening and I hope the swift boaters have their say in the GE if Obama wins. I had hoped for a democratic president and it is hard to believe that I am looking forward to a Republican — thank goodness that it is McCain and not Guiliani!
Posted by: Voter | May 14, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
It seems that a common refrain I’ve seen is that: “I’m voting for X candidate because I don’t like Y candidate’s supporters.”
This is blog-fatigue. The arguments and players have been the same on here for the past couple months. Just pay attention to the candidates; who cares what supporters are saying, you are not voting for them.
Posted by: MIguy | May 14, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
Voter is a typical sore loser. My candidate didn’t win so it’s some type of conspiracy.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Edwards is twice a loser.
He lost in 2004 and he lost the primaries.
Now he supports an un-electable candidate.I he ever gonna learn????
McCAIN OR HILLARY ’08
Posted by: Nicholas | May 14, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Stacy, Obama and Clinton both signed an agreement last year stating that because Michigan and Florida broke DNC rules by moving their primaries up in the process, their votes would not count. They both signed it. Clinton continues to change the rules to suit herself. She uses whichever metric she believes to be in her favor that week, day, minute. Howard Dean has stated that both Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention. But the vote that happened in January will not count. Those were the rules agreed to by ALL THE CANDIDATES. Hillary has been quoted from last October saying that she knew those votes would not count. To change the rules now says that the other FORTY-EIGHT states that followed the rules don’t count. THEY don’t matter. Florida and Michigan will be seated.
I never said that the rest of the primaries should not go forward. He’s won the nomination but this will go thru June 3rd. Both candidates have said this. In political terms she’s looking for a graceful exit.
Posted by: millie-lou | May 14, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
You do not vote for candidates or for parties. You vote for the person who you believe will best protect your country and lead you to economic prosperity. Hillary would have been my first choice amongst all three out there. Down to Obama and McCain, it is definately McCain. He will at least not raise our payroll and capital gains taxes and bring us downfall. He will also be very cautious with the war policy and just not make a political statement by pulling the troops out. This has to be handled with care. Obama does not have the necessary experience for difficult choices that face our country.
Posted by: Voter | May 14, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
Eddie, Hillary’s not losing because the electorate wants her to lose. If she loses, it’ll be because the DNC and the embittered latte-left strategically engineered this process for her to lose. Here’s the irony, they pulled out all the stops, from a concerted media bias and a flood of latte endorsements, to the rigged disenfranchisement of millions of voters, and still they haven’t sealed the deal.
Don’t get me wrong, they may still pull it off, but it’s like winning a battle only to lose the war. If they succeed in facilitating Hillary’s loss, they’ll lose millions of voters to McCain.
Posted by: Emily | May 14, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
McCain won’t win. Conservatives will stay home and others republicans will vote for the dem. McCain will reinstate the draft. We have 2 wars going on and not enough troops. They are worn out. We can’t expect them to stay in a war that we should have never been in.
Posted by: lisa | May 14, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
@Voter: No offense, but your comment on the war contradicts Senator Clinton’s stated policy. All of the candidates will raise the capital gains tax and likely all will increase the maximal taxable amount for Medicare. They will all probably increase retirement age too.
McCain will not pull out the troops, but has no plan to “win” or let alone pay for the war. In my estimation, the troops already won the war. The ongoing problem is a police mission while corrupt politicians find ways to waste or steal billions.
Posted by: MIguy | May 14, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
There are so many skeletons in the closet for Obama that the media did not go after. Instead they spent all their energies beating the dead skeletons for Hillary. The media especially the NBC cohorts had an agenda. I hope Hillary stays on through the convention. I do not believe it will make her look bad. She will continue to show that she is a fighter and will fight for all the millions of people who have supported her. Time to contribute!
Posted by: Voter | May 14, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
“Your on the cover and you don’t have copies. Hello!”
Not to worry, he is wearing his flagpin and standing in front of the cross, nothing can hurt him. lol. God Bless, Reverend Wright – the gift that keeps on giving…
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 14, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Emily, it actually hurts me to see that Rovian Campaign tactics have worked so well on you and others here. Don’t you see it? Did you happen to vote in 2000 or 2004? Didn’t this crap bother you when Bush/Cheney were doing it? Can’t you see that it’s THE EXACT SAME CRAP? And yet, you fell for it. Obviously, because you are regurgitating everything the Clinton/McCain camps have fed you in this campaign process. Do a little research of your own. I’m dead serious. If you hear something as assinine as that Hamas lie, then look it up. Do a little reading. It isn’t true and it doesn’t take a whole lot of effort to prove it’s a lie. NOT taking at face value everything you hear on TV or read in the main-stream news isn’t really that difficult. It takes a little extra effort is all. Do the work and you will be rewarded. Think for yourself. That’s what a true feminist does, Sweetie.
Posted by: millie-lou | May 14, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Hillary will be cautious while pulling out of Iraq. I trust her to be cautious. However between Obama and McCain, I would rather have McCain even though he says he will stay in longer. I would rather have the war than inherit a mess for future generations. Naive Obama who thinks poppies are growing in Iraq needs more time to learn about policy. He has learned the art of posturing but that is not enough for me.
Posted by: Voter | May 14, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
Millie-Lou, Regardless of what you say,the will of the people in Florida and Michigan does matter. About 1,674,449 voters cast their ballots in the Democratic Primary in Florida. None of the candidates campaigned there except for Obama’s national ads. If the Democratic party wants to disenfrancise these voters for general election, go on ahead. Also, about 600,000 voters cast their ballots in Michigan. It is in the Party’s rules to reconsider this situation. So, I’m not sure why you are spouting about “changing the rules” in the game.
Posted by: stacy | May 14, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Stacy Florida and Michigan would not change the fact that Obama has won.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
What has Obama won? It is not over until the convention or Hillary concedes.
Posted by: Voter | May 14, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
It seems to me that McCain is regurgitating the same Bush/Cheney vomit we’ve been force fed for the past eight years. He does not seem in control of the his campaign’s message. He is not the outsider I voted for in 2000. He may, and I hope he does, change his tune. But I’ve heard this broken record too many times of pseudo-policy and inertia instead of action.
I think people are overthinking this whole presidential campaign. The Congress will matter more for us in day-to-day activities and a break in the stalemate there is what is needed. The Congress has ceded its constitutional legislative authority to the dictions of the President and the opposite needs to start happening.
Posted by: MIguy | May 14, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
Eddie, Obama has not won the nomination yet. So, let’s get the facts straight. He maybe close but he is not there. Ultimately, Florida and Michigan will have stake in the general election in November.
Posted by: stacy | May 14, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
Voter says………….
I would rather have the war than inherit a mess for future generations……….
What are you talking about. This is a big mess that we need to get out of now. Our kids are dying. Maybe you should enlist since you think the war shoul go on. The Army keeps calling my 18 year son to enlist because they are desperate. Our troops are thin. NO one is enlisting. So McCain would probably reinstate the draft. They can’t keep fighting this senseless war. Yet you would rather stay in it.
Posted by: lisa | May 14, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
And the will of the people in the other 48 states? They suddenly DON’T matter? Your defense is full of holes, Stacy. And just like Emily, you are regurgitating the talking-points invented by Howard Wolfson. Or maybe it was Mark Penn before he was fired? Not sure. They came up with it in their “War Room” and watched as women who DESPERATELY want to see a woman as president gobbled it up. YUM! Sorry, it doesn’t work on everyone. Thank God. Please take a deep breath and calm down. Did I say that Michigan and Florida will not be seated at the convention? No. They will, of course. But the DNC will make a decision that will be fair and equitable to all 50 states and the two campaigns. So please, calm down.
Posted by: millie-lou | May 14, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
It’s all over but the crying from the Hillary lovers.
Posted by: Eddie | May 14, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
Do you all know how much Bloomberg and gates have put out to by the white house lots
Posted by: Bishop | May 14, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
@John_Lai: After the last 8 years, the Republicans cannot argue against Democrats being “big spenders”. The only real fiscally-conservative Republican running is Ron Paul. Yes, the Democrats will blow our wad on mandates, but at least we’ll have healthcare while going broke rather than more maimed kids coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: MIguy | May 14, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
Obama or Hillary, we need to take the white house.
Posted by: Emily | May 14, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
Millie-Lou, by your political verbage, I could tell that you are an Obama operative. It’s not expedient to respond to your rhetoric. My initial response was partly due to you and others declaring Obama the nominee. The numbers may be close but not quite there.
Posted by: Stacy | May 14, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
Edwards isn’t a superdelegate. Just to get that straight. And this reeks of political opportunism for him. How sad, after all his talk of the little guy and working class.
Posted by: Henry | May 14, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
I’m afraid John Edwards has just
ruined his political future, if he
ever had any.
I think you are going to see white
America vote for John McCain. And,
this is a black man talking.
Posted by: bokwop | May 15, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Henry, in the debates, Edwards was more in sinc with Obama’s views than Hillary’s. That’s why he endorsed Obama.
Posted by: Emily | May 15, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
lisa, I am not saying that we do not have a mess now. We have a mess and why should we make it a bigger mess? We broke it and at the very least we owe it to ourselves to not make it worse than what it is. Pulling out requires careful planning and execution. I feel like we are in the same state that we were in when the war began. The media did not do it’s job going after Bush in questioning him. The media did the same thing again when Gore ran against Bush. The media is doing the same thing with Obama now. Then, I did not support Bush, I did not support the war and I do not support Obama now. I trust my judgement better and although Obama was against the war, I believe that he does more posturing like GWB and would not be right for our country.
Posted by: Voter | May 15, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
You’re right, MIguy. It’s the perfect cue to say goodnight.
Posted by: Emily | May 15, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
Oh Emily, Emily, Emily! We’re sisters! I’m a University professor in the Arts. So good for us. Glad to see that “the man” has not prevented us from achieving our goals. Honey, I’ve DONE the research. I’ve read everything I could get my hands on over the last year – longer actually – and that is why I’ve chosen Obama. Now let’s not forget, there IS propaganda out there. One must be very diligent in weeding that out. But like you, I’ve studied this carefully. We obviously interpret our findings differently. I found that Hillary has tried to pass legislation but in more than one instance could not get co-sponsors on it. Why? Look, I don’t care how good your ideas are or the reasons behind why the “Boys Club” don’t like you, if you can’t get anything done when you’re in office, then you don’t belong there. I’ve compared their Senate records and it is obvious that Hillary has a lot of difficulty getting anyone on her side. We don’t just need good ideas, we need them implemented. I don’t believe, in my heart of hearts, that Hillary Clinton can get anything done when so many on The Hill hate her. I’m a pragmatist that way. But certainly, we can agree to disagree.
Posted by: millie-lou | May 15, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
Welcome back to the losing team Mr. Edwards! You should feel right at home.
Posted by: Mack | May 15, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
We need a dem in the white house. I will vote Obama or Hillary. Let’s get it done.
Posted by: Emily | May 15, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
This will only hurt Obama… Obama doesnt want Hillary on the ticket but he will be forced to comply if he wants to win the election… Hillary is still the best choice for top of the ticket this wil make it an even bigger landslide in KY and I dont think they like Edwards in Oregon
Posted by: NCdem | May 15, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Ugh….I keep having to let dogs in, let dogs out, let dogs in…. But I’m back. Here’s the truth. If Hillary were the nominee – and folks, that isn’t going to happen, accept it – I would vote for her simply because SHE IS A DEMOCRAT. John McCain would reverse Roe V.Wade and have us in Iraq for as long as it takes to “win” (um, not gonna happen). John McCain has completely abandoned the maverick that he once was in favor of toeing the Republican line. I may not like her much, I hate her campaign staff even more (Wolfson, I’m talking to YOU!) but I’m NOT going to vote for a Republican. That’s just plain STUPID and irrational!
Posted by: millie-lou | May 15, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
I simply will not vote for Obama unless Hillary is VP and I dont think he will do it so I will vote the other way…. there has been far too much bad mouthing of the hillary people and I will not put up with it anymore!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
Vanessa,
So it sounds like you are thrilled that one loser endorsed another loser. Congratulations losers. The all boys network is alive and well. Anything to cover up the stompin’ that Obama took in West Virginia. West Virginia will look like a Sunday School picnic compared to Kentucky, though. Oh, yeah, Obama will take another liberal always blue state though, and give you false hopes for November. Hillary now, or Hillary 2012, whichever way you want it, for those that cannot remember history for more than 3 seconds.
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Obama and BitterGate, we shall not forget!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 15, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
WestCoast why are you calling Edwards a loser because he endorsed Obama. If he endorsed Hillary would you be saying the same thing.
Posted by: lisa | May 15, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
NCDEM, that’s the spirit! GO TEAM!
Do you realize just how idiotic that is? You must not have a son, daughter, nephew, brother-in-law, niece, or grandchild fighting in Iraq. If you did, you might just suck it up and vote for whoever will get them home. Even it is isn’t Hillary. You must be glad that gas prices are through the roof and rising with each passing day. You must be happy about friends and neighbors facing forclosure and the possibility of being homeless. But, whatever floats your boat. Maybe you should just go ahead and register as a Republican. You certainly are thinking like one. Sad and very childish.
Posted by: millie-lou | May 15, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
It’s better for the repubs to run against Barry Obama vs. the Clintons! People really do not know him nor trust him. McCain will be the next president because Obama’s connections are scary. The DNC leadership put the knife in Hillary’s back. I hope she pays them (Howard Dean/ John Kerry, the Kennedys) back (politically). The Clintons gave the liberals so much and now they discard them. I don’t agree with Hillary’s views ..she has been treated awful by her party. The dems have some of the most hateful acting people representing their party. The repubs have some of the most politically correct people representing their side now.
Posted by: Christie | May 15, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
The sear that was won in MIss. yesterday Hillary won that district
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am
Millie-lou
the truth is Obama wont even be able to fix Iraq much less gas prices and forclosures..and he wont be president that is pure fantacy
Posted by: NCdem | May 15, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
President Barack Obama. Get used to that. It’s going to be a reality for the next 8 yrs. All you naysayers wait and see. McCain doesn’t stand a chance.
Posted by: Dem in Chicago | May 15, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am
typo seat is what it should be
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am
TCG,
I gotta give you credit, you operate by a consistent theme of trying to write off Hillary Clinton. The fact is that if Hillary doesn’t pick up the nomination it just keeps her in play. Obama gets one shot and one shot only, based on history. Hillary will still be in play for 2012. In fact, he could even select her as his VP, which I doubt she would accept, and she would still be in play for 2012. By the way, I’ve made my decision. I’ll be voting for Hillary Clinton come November, 2008, she’s the right candidate.
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Seems like those dead enders are still at it in Iraq, doesn’t it. You and Cheney, premature prognosticators.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 15, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
Chicago
that is wishfull thinking if 50 percent of NC Dems wont vote for Obama in the GE and 50 percent of dems in PA wont vote for him and 65 percent of WVA dems wont vote for him… it will not happen
Posted by: NCdem | May 15, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
I hope our party goes up in smoke and in true FDR style she will run independent.
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
westcoastmessenager
as the movie once said Hillary will “take them all down, all down to chinatown” if she runs as an independant… these pesky shallow obamabots dont deal in real details or productive thought processes
Posted by: NCdem | May 15, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Bishop you read my mind! The Dem party is dead with the two lefties left out there to flap in the breeze in Nov
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Senator Clinton has been ducking sniper fire,with her fake smile and having her state denial, whatever it takes to get her in the White House
Posted by: John Lee | May 15, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Westcoastmessenger
I feel like a broken record… I have always been saying that Popular vote majority of the canidate who did nbot get the most delegates … that peoblem was supposedly fixed when Ted Kennedy crashed the convention in 1980 so the SDs were created to overrule the delegates in the event that someone more popular is not getting heard… the Obamabots call us pathetic but they dont know squat about how its supposed to be run you dont just go in and make your own stuff up… the rules committee will meet again after PR and Hillary has half thevotes on that committe so we shall see!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am
NCDem,
Well said.
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Obama and BitterGate, we shall not forget!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 15, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am
John-Lee
Go away if you jsut want to talk about sniper fire… that isnt relevant… Wright/rezko etc is still very relevant…
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Iv’e been voting dem for thirty but Iam going to learn from the young loyalty is a thing of the past.
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
Millie-Lou
and I guess you were pretendeing to be for Clinton for a while but were always for Obama … it is about who is the best to do the job…. Obama is 3rd on that list quite frankly….see we elected the wrong one in 2000 and 2004 and that will not happen again regardless of party!!!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Millie-Lou,
We are in perfect agreement. We do not want four more years of Bush in the White House. So why on earth would you want to support a candidate that is certain to lose? Obama can’t take a single swing state. He can take blue states all day long. Hooray. Learn some history and come back and we’ll have a serious discussion.
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Obama ’08 — for about 15 minutes
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 15, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
who cares about sniper fire? it was happening in bosnia anyway, be it around hillary or several miles away. i think everybody ought to start thinking about who the ‘real obama’ is and start now……his cronies of associates related to anti-americanism, racist, anti-government, terroristic ties,….you know the cast of characters….wright, rattso, ayers, and so on. and let us not forget, his anti-american, oh wait a minute, i love this country now, wife michelle. brother. i would rather dodge sniper fire than be associated with this group and running for the highest office in the land at the same time.
Posted by: carlasue | May 15, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
Howdy from Texas, Davis and John Lee! There are plenty of folks on here that are not from the reality-based community. It’s sad. Pathetic really, but there it is. However, they will come around once Obama is in the White House and they start reaping the rewards. Right now, they are so full of Hillary Campaign Kool-aid they can’t see straight. They’ve lost their moral compass, just like Hill & Bill. Um, well, they both lost that a looooong time ago. Speaking of having a short memory for history…… ha!
Posted by: millie-lou | May 15, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
And Dukakis is out from under his rock only three losers left Carter Gore and him.
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Re: I hope Edwards goes bald
The way he drags his tongue while speaking, this could happen.
Posted by: Ron | May 15, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Westcoastmessenger
Oh but Obama is sooo sooo much like Bush on so many levels did you see the curious george likeness on a tshirt surface yesterday with an Obama thing on it…. people will wake up and see where this is going and see what they have done… I think I read somewhere that The country will fumble into electign or nominating someone who has Bushes personality but on Far left instead of far right … its brilliant actually but real citizens will not stand for it in Nov.!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Davis,
You were one of the ones whining about the rules early on, and indicating that the supers should vote the same way as the pledged delegates. Are you still whining these days. Has Obama got 2010 delegates yet? Did Edwards put him over? Why can’t he close the deal? Why can’t he stop Hillary. He’s not the presumptive nominee, he’s the humpty dumpty nominee. We’re just waiting for the guy to crack.
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Barack and bowling, Barack and swing states.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 15, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Davis
you even further proved our point…. nobody cares about that anymore theydidnt in the 90s you just give away what you are by the way you speak… its called lack of control eh? something that all the Obamabots and the candidate himself have!
Posted by: ncdem | May 15, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Davis,
The Clinton disaster?
Balanced budget
10 million new jobs
Price of gas always under $2.
Hmmm, it was terrible wasn’t it.
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Those that fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 15, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am
I long for the Clinton years.
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
bishop, anyone in their right minds long for the clinton years…right on.
Posted by: carlasue | May 15, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am
Davis your winning and in such a bad mood please stop Nov 4th is when Hillary 44 will win.
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
Westcoastmessenger
Absolutely this is actually a ploy to divide the Dems and get Onbama in there who can be molded… because Dean,pelosi,rahm,etc do not want major policy changes… and its like a collusion with those that didnt want Mccain as the republican nominee! The vast majority of repubs dont like him thats why I can accept him he would be better than Bush and Obama is Bush… and going back to the curious George thing the chimp peeling the bananna with Obama08 on it works much better in that light than it did for caracaturs of Bush in the last 8 yrs thats not being racist … I think its unfortunate but just imagine what they will come up with by Nov!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
Davis
Honestly if you are going to post the same thing to soemone else you psoted to me and just change a few words whats your purpose?
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
Davis we are talking chump change .
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
davis….HATE is a very strong word….one that seems to be the very foundation of who obama really is. you helped everyone here tonight by reminding them of just that.
Posted by: carlasue | May 15, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Davis
you are gettign that 20 million figure from the fact she owes Mark Penn … she doesnt have to pay mark penn now so thats bogus.. they have money coming in and its from legitimate sources no less!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
Do you think they are so crazy they would throw this race away to keep her out ?
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
Davis
you can say that as many times as you want but it will not end up being true and you will accept another nominee other than Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
Davis you know I mean other than Obama …. Hillary will win and you will accept it!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
Tis a shame
I always felt like Edwards was a down to earth American. Who cared more for Americans and the country over Politics, apparently That is not the case.
Go Clinton, Obama should not even be in the race for President.
Posted by: seah | May 15, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
Bishop
Dean and the DNC and all the others will wise up before the convention they jsut cant bear to tell that to the little obamabots… it will happen! Obama cant be elected and wont be!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
Moe and seah are right
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
Davis
that is ludicrous… the same dems trying illegally to tell Hillary to go are the ones who stood behind CLinton at the white hosuse after the aerticles of impeachment are handed down… really you must have no other wealthy projects than to bash the Clintons! Too much time on your hands?
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am
bishop
I think the same thing.Hillary will be nominated, Obama is not electable .
Posted by: Moe | May 15, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am
ABC asks “What will it mean…?” I can’t see that it will make a great deal of difference. Robin Hood Edwards has always pandered to the far left, just as Obama does. Moderates will still support Hillary Clinton. It’s fairly obvious to some pundits that Edwards was making a very blatant play for the Vice Presidency, but if Obama were as smart as he THINKS he is, he’d choose a true moderate as a running mate, not someone who’s so far out in left field that you need binoculars to see him out there. It seems that creating a possible far left ticket (if that’s where this leads) will further divide the party, not unify it. Hillary is still our best chance for the future.
Posted by: Rhys | May 15, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
Davis
oh but you will accept Hillary.. thats hard for an elitist snob to swallow at this point but you will before the convention!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
I have changed my mind about supporting the loser – no more. I will support the winner. Thanks everyone for putting up with me, such an intolerable jerk. But I have straightened up. Thanks for your patience.
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No more loser! Only winner!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 15, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am
They look like so young but I can remember when I back a loser with every thing I had at that age such slobs they always go after the least of us.Lonely hart club band
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am
Rhys
thats right…. they are making jokes about how similar Mccain and Hillary are but really they are moderates and mr hair and mr obama are way far out there… … their proposals wouldnt get past the white house
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am
I wish the real Democrats would please stand up. I am SO DISAPPOINTED in some of the previous posts. People actually THREATENING to vote Republican or not at all if Obama gets the nomination. All of you fare weather Democrats have clearly lost focus. Hilary is and always will be wonderful…Barack is and always will be amazing. They are both awesome candidates and they both offer us hope, passion, and vision. Yet, instead of being happy about this possible change and move forward for the Democratic party and our nation; some of you would rather cut your nose off to spite your face. That is harmful in so many ways. It prevents our party, our nation, our health care system, our schools, etc. from having a chance to move forward. I suppose if you like being that selfish vote Rupublican or not at all in November… If you love soaring gas prices, sky rocketing food prices, high unemployment rates, 100 year wars, food shortages,failing school and health care systems,and the such then vote Republican in November or not at all. Honestly, it takes no courage or character at all to flee from your party when you do not get your way and put an entire nation and millions of people in jeopardy and peril because “my candidate” did not win the nomination. It takes no courage or personal character at all to be a fare weather Democrat leaving the party when you do not get your way. It is your right to not display courage, but please stop calling yourself a Democrat. True Democrats are not fare weather fans. They realize it is about more than Hilary or Obama and they will always support and cheer for their party
and our nominee
Posted by: Denise | May 15, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am
Davis
I am not illiterate I am typing fast and really dont care how you see my words because you presumably can understand what I meant! I have been coming up with facts that I have memorized with my photographic memory so you can be assured that they are dead on and yours are wrong or contrived period! stop insulting us and go away!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am
Davis,
Right on! In another thread, Carlasue said she hadn’t had a steak for over a year. You should see the wave of attack from people who are vegetarians and people who asked if she expected a steak from Hillary, and if she had gotten a steak from Bill Clinton. She then came up with some sobbing story of picking up coins in parking lot to live. She threatens to have her son to beat you up. She bragged both her daughter and son were well-off. But when asked why she didn’t ask them for a steak, she said she didn’t want to burden them. Oh man. She started the whole story from, “steak? what steak? how does it taste, I can’t remember anymore”. It was a disaster, and she came back? Man oh man.
Posted by: Jen | May 15, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
Davis,
Bishop is a ignorant Clinton supporter who has no common sense and doesn’t understand cause and consequence. Worse yet, he resorts to name calling.
Posted by: Jen | May 15, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
Just a setup from Dem Leaders, they try to pump an empty suit whenever it starts to have problem. This party is near end. I feel sorry voting for those dumb heads last election.
Posted by: stock_craft | May 15, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
Denise, you need to remember that not everyone votes the party line. Some of us vote for the PERSON, and not because the Democratic officials in their Star Chamber TELL us who to vote for. When some of us say we will vote for Hillary as our first choice and McCain as our second choice, believe it! It’s not always about party! Being a “good Democrat” or a “good Republican” means voting like a herd of sheep.
Posted by: Rhys | May 15, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Davis
I already told you what you WILL DO! YOu will support Hillary Clinton in Nov. when she becomes the nominee no questions asked thats all you can say here period!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Thanks Davis. I think your posting was great. You have the facts on your side!
Carlasue, you might not remember me, but you were scrutinized thoroughly with your “steak” story that night. I was not the most avid attacker, but I saw everything happening. I assumed you were mentally ill or something. It’s pathetic that you come back.
Posted by: Jen | May 15, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
I don’t think Clinton will wait until all the superdelegates have jumped ship. She is better off to quit when still standing. And, she fought her heart out for the Democratic Party policies in this election..she’s not abandoning the party..her followers won’t abandon the party either.
Posted by: Sallie | May 15, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am
Sallie
dont believe everything you hear from CNN it wont happen that way.. you know it.. the real democrats are gettign ready to take control of the party again… and if that doesnt work then Obama wont be elected anyway!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am
ah looks like Davis called in for backup! Sorry sallie thats wrong too!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
NC kennedy took it to the floor and so will Hillary you do not come this far and we are in grave times and I times they will do what has to be done because that is why they were created.
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
jen, i was brutally accused of doing things, having my children do things that were not true. it was not a sobbing story as you say. i raised two kids alone the best i could with what little i had. my boy grew up protecting his mom and sis. that’s it.
this is about picking a candidate of our choice, my choice is hillary, she has the experience and knowledge it takes to run the country.
Posted by: carlasue | May 15, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
Sallie, sorry I will. Before the Wright story, I think it is ok to vote for Clinton/Obama ticket but I will close my eyes and vote for John McCain if Obama is on Dem ticket now.
Posted by: stock_craft | May 15, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am
(1) Clinton is a Democrat, period. (2) She made mistakes in her campaign, and she didn’t ever change course to a better way of campaigning–she did take the low road, quite a few times, and now has paid for it. (3) If she bows out gracefully, she will gain more in her future than if she stays in til the last delegate changes sides against her.
Posted by: Sallie | May 15, 2008, 2:12 am 2:12 am
An earlier post suggested that the Democrats have put forth the only candidate (Obama) who could lose to a Republican. This would be true except the Republicans have selected Old Man McCain, who doesn’t even have the support of many Republicans and is about as popular as GWB. BOTH parties are divided, and it appears that an Obama versus McCain election is NOT a choice; it’s a disaster for America.
Posted by: Rhys | May 15, 2008, 2:12 am 2:12 am
stock_craft
they still dont believe that we will do that I tried to tell them!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am
I wish we had the blogs in 68 It would have been something.They did show all the protest and roits.
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am
John_lai
dont worry everyone will be enfrachised in the end which makes the current vote of MI and Fl relevant and they will accept it thus hillary wins
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am
NCDEM,
Finally, I am realized why people pick G. Bush for second-term now. Last time, it was the moral votes who terminate John Kerry/John Edwards political career and I think it is the patriots votes who will help John McCain or GOP continue keeping the White House in this coming November..
Posted by: stock_craft | May 15, 2008, 2:27 am 2:27 am
Davis
I was born at the end of the 60s! so you are wrong again… my mom tells me that I wasnt around during the Dem convention in chi town in 68 but I was thought of then:)
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 2:27 am 2:27 am
Bishop
I think its hillarious that Clinton won MA and Kennedy cant do anything about other MA supers going to her!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am
Thier are some very mad women who say Kennedy and Kerry might not make it next time around .How old do you think the little one are.
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am
Jen
yeah I figured you al were working from the same station if you know what I mean… your problem is that you cant know that you arent smarter than us!
Posted by: NCDEM | May 15, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am
Davis,
Can you trust the man who can change the America but himself can’t change the Church, who hates Americans more than anyone else on the earth and keeping going to that Church for 20 years.
Posted by: stock_craft | May 15, 2008, 2:40 am 2:40 am
At least Fox is going on about Obama losing big.
Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am
It means a loss in November and here is why:
Women have been messed over for many years by the Democrat Party and it appears that millions of “US” will be returning the favor, should this primary continue on its current path. Hillary Clinton is clearly the best choice to be our current parties’ choice as the nominee for President. As a life-long Democrat (55), I find it unacceptable to tolerate just how my party has hosed their most loyal and largest voting block; women. I am confident the Democrat Party will pay a severe price for this blatant assault on us women. Cry all you want about this being “sour grapes” but, little good will result in your on-going efforts to unite Hillary’s staunch supporters around “your chosen candidate” and not the peoples. All the Democrat Party wants us to do now is get their selected, from the start, elite, wimp Barack Obama elected in November. It will be a cold day in hell before I do that and I hope Hillary Clinton walks away from this Party, as well. As with most of the women I have contact, as well as many men, are finished with the Democrat Party now and forever. Many of “US are starting a grassroots movement to assure these kind of sorry tactics employed by my now soon to be former party, favoring a man who clearly has no shot without her support to win over the best women who can win this on her own, will never happen again. Until the final results are in Democrat Party leaders, we will just have to wait and see how things turn out once this primary season comes to a close. I for one am changing my registration to Independent, if not Republican, on the same day that I vote for Hillary in Kentucky. Once all our votes are counted, if you the party leaders allow that to happen, you’ll just have to wait and see how deep this “bitterly disappointed” and highly ashamed of this blatant insult to women is across America. To do this to the largest voting block in America is truly, for my soon to be former Democratic Party, a travesty. Bye, bye now and good riddance from Mary L. O’Bryan, Louisville, KY, soon to be former Democrat, no matter what happens in the primaries left to come.
Posted by: Mary O'Bryan | May 15, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
If the nominee is Obama, the DNC can look for thousands of people to quit the Democrat Party. McCain will be the winner, and the Party can fall in love with their new base. They should have seen it coming.
Posted by: georgia | May 15, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Those of you who want Clinton to win keep saying that she has the support of the ” working-class people” You really need to rephrase that because this ‘working class, 48 y.o. white female’ will not vote for a candidate who has run a campaign full of lies, exaggerations, and spiteful dirty politics.
To make matters worse, now she’s hoping that Obama’s supporters will donate our money to pay of her campaign debt. HELL NO.
Clinton supporters better grab some scuba gear cause Clinton’s ship is sinking fast!!
Posted by: Debbie | May 16, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
“little good will result in your on-going efforts to unite Hillary’s staunch supporters around “your chosen candidate” and not the peoples.” -Mary O’Bryan of KY.
What are you talking about? Please tell me, How can Hillary be the people’s choice for candidate when Obama has won more delegates, more states, and more popular votes??? What math are you using? Obama supporters did not cause Hillary to lose – she did that on her own. She let her ego run her campaign, talking like America owed her the nomination, and she screwed up, plain & simple. So if you want to be angry and bitter at someone – GO BLAME HILLARY.
Posted by: Debbie, Columbia, SC | May 16, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
I repeat! Edwards didn’t even get out of the starting bloks in this race! Why would his endorsement carry so much weight now?!
That is pure wishful thinking on Obama’s part (and I suspect sour grapes on Edwards part, because Hillary is not weak, as he stated in NH, she is strong focused and determined).
Super del’s must be asking why Obama cannot win swing states. It has to be acknowledged that (whether it’s appreciated or not by DNC)the states won so far by Obama will revert to GOP in the GE and Obama cannot win the states that Hillary has, making Hillary the more electable and definatly capable of whiping the floor with McCain, to become the next President! So quit your messing ABC and show the lady the real respect she deserves!
FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT! GO HILLARY!!!
Posted by: Di | May 16, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Something else I just discovered today…the latest mathmatics:
http://12counts.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/why-obama-wont-count-the-votes-hillarys-winning/
Obama, you and your campaigners are cheating!
Posted by: Di | May 16, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm