While You Were Sleeping

Even if Obama wins over Clinton and is on the November ballot, he will not win over McCain. He has belittled and disgusted far too many voters with his arrogance and deception. The fact that he still believes as his Rev. Wright and the Black Liberation Theology Church will turn many, many people away from him. It proves he is a racist and a Maxist. Action speaks louder than words.

geevil, Wright is not Obama and those states will determine the elections and the outcome of the GE. Obama had a great strategy which he has put in place to make the primaries a national issue and it paid off. Hill the Bosnian General as her co-New Yorker Giuliani are bad generals who had no tactical and strategic battle plans. Obama will beat Hill’s beloved friend McCain as a drum come November, because everything is about strategy in politics. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Geevill,
You are completely right. The caucuses were frequented by mostly activists of the party who side with BO. In the General election, they won’t even matter. While they gave BO delegates, they are not representative of the way people vote in November.
Why did the media sleep on Wright? Something that does not seem right. But I bet the republicans won’t sleep on that and the Dems will lose their sleep over that too, I bet.

Where’s the analysis showing Obama’s only won two primaries since February?

Funny, both parties have put up their weakest candidate, though McCain is by a landslide better then Obama,
Te dems would of been better with Rishardson, and the Republicans would of been better with Fred Thompson!
Obama has no chance in November, remember the Democrats that are racists are not going to vote for him, his sexism is not going to get him much of the woman’s vote, and he is not going to get the republicans, so he will only have about 20% of the vote!!
Because the American people see how dangerous and how anti-American he really is!!

From what I have read in other posts made by people who had real experiences with these situations, your observations regarding the caucuses that were held in lieu of primaries appear to be correct.
They were often overtaken by large groups of Obama supporters who ridiculed, humiliated, and became almost violent with Hillary supporters on some occasions.
While I don’t feel that any of the large groups of women who have faithfully supported Hillary, as well as the other non-Obama supporters that are starting to come together and organize to boycott Obama in November will stoop to these tactics, I would not be at all surprised to see several peaceful, well-organized protests and demonstrations at various places along the way on the campaign trail to November.
And I really wouldn’t be so certain that all of these anti-Obama people will faithfully fall into the Democratic fold like good little sheep by the November election. Ronald Reagan scored hundreds of thousands of November votes from typically loyal Democratic voters with much less provocation.

s.b. how could she possibly be within 40 pledged delegates by the convention? I would love to see the math on that prediction.

Lee..the two states Obama may win are Republican. Who cares?

Whatever you look at it, the fault of HRC having no February planning or a well-executed republican strategy by Bho, the bottom line is that the dems are able to pick the weakest candidate and the most likely loser in the general election, over all possibilities (well, maybe Gravel is an exception).
On the other hand, the republicans were able to choose the only candidate who will be competitive, by accident or by intelligent design, against their base.
Looks the typical dems presidential nominee club will have one more member after the first week of November.
This is what happens in your sleep.

millions “like” me.

Yes, Obama winning Montana and South Dakota will be the equivalent of Obama winning Idaho and Utah.
They are all RED states, and will NEVER go for a Democrat, no matter who it is.
Why do you think South Dakota and Montana barely have 20 delegates apiece? The Democratic Party is practically non-existent in both.
Puerto Rico, which is not even a State at the present time, has more available Democratic delegates than Montana and South Dakota combined.

You know there are a lot of McCain lovers in here. Whatever. The Iraq issue will be the straw that will break the Rep. back in November. McCain has no basis for staying there and Obama and every other Dem will call him on it until November. Stepping away from Bush will not save him in November. Yeah i am ready for change i have voted Rep for as long as i have been able to vote. Dropping bombs on the wrong people hasn’t worked. Not talking to people who regardless of what we think has not worked so let us UNITE and try something just a little different.

While traditionally red in Presidential elections. South Dakota and Montana are not beyond hope in the general election. Montana now has two Democratic Senators and a Democratic Governor. At one time it was a strong Democratic state being the home of Majority Leader Mike Mansfield who served many years in the Senate. South Dakota has one Democratic Senator and a state wide elected Democratic Representative. The States Clinton recently carried (Kentucky and West Virginia) have been tending Republican in Presidential elections. Today a poll came out showing Obama up over McCain by 9 points in Iowa where he has traditionally done better than Clinton in what has become a swing state. Obama also runs better in the West than Clinton. She has carried a number of Red States in the last two elections as well, including Tennessee, Oklahoma, Arkansas,and Indiana. In New Hampshire and Vermont the margin was close in these states which switched where their votes went in 2000 and 2004 (New Mexico from Democratic to GOP and New Hampshire was GOP to Democratic). Obama can and will win in the fall.

McCain…LA, NC, where Obama wins BIG, lots of AA population. Yes, he wins liberal whites too, calm down. Problem is HISTORICALLY AMERICANS VOTE RIGHT OF CENTER WHICH IS WHY McCAIN WILL WIN. IF HILLARY WAS UP AGAINST HIM, THE RACE WOULD BE TIGHTER…THEY ARE BOTH CENTRISTS……..OBAMA NOT.

geevil
they said the same things about Kennedy.

Jane, here in Texas, our caucus was filled to the brim with (mostly white) neighbors who had never attended a caucus but were very excited to be there this time. Our precinct (previously Republican) caucus attendees were there two-to-one for Obama. We overflowed the facility and ran out of forms. Clinton and Obama supporters got along famously, and all agreed we were blessed with two great candidates and were excited to participate and get rid of Bush. How does any of this fit the picture you portray of activists? My college and high school children dropped everything to come, too! It was democracy in action, in living color, and your words can’t dispel that.

Oldspice, Hillary had celebs and musicians at her rallies, too. The rallies Obama held here were mobbed, and no big-name bands performing. He has drawn huge crowds wherever he goes. All imaginary to you, eh? Even if you don’t like him (and that’s your right), he has brought out a lot of new voters and that is good for our country and our political system.

To bad they don’t seat Fl and Mi she would only trail him by 48.

len “tax and spend democrats”
did you see hillary’s health plan?

oldspice
if you are an oregonian then you should know that a band like the decemberists cant fill ash street saloon….
weve played with them before… lol and trust me, there was mroe of our friends there then the decemeberists
please….
Also like someone pointed above
you dont have 75k people show up to a show for a band unless you are the rolling stones or led zepplin
and even then they are hard pressed to do that
teh decemberists LOL
they werent even booked under their bands name… it was very impromptu that show
ncie try though…
lol from portland you must be from portland maine

dl:
While I know for a fact that Fox News has not given Hillary a free ride this primary season, as she herself has said on many occasions: “the media has been picking through her baggage for years.”
Hillary and Bill’s baggage is old news, and I’m sure that Fox News and the Republicans would have truckloads of it to reacquaint the public with (as well as hordes of new volumes to produce) were she to become the nominee.
On the other hand, Obama and all of his unvetted baggage is a wealth of fresh meat for the Republicans to chew on, and that is always more tasty than tough old leather.

Oldspice, looking through the comments, I don’t ever see Di being rude, though plenty of bloggers on both sides are horribly rude. She may disagree with you, but she is talking about issues and doing it politely. You owe her an apology. Join the civil discourse and stop the hating. We can make things better if we start by behaving better ourselves.

Debra:
Yikes!!
And this man wonders why he has a problem amongst Jewish voters?
He does not even know their history.

Goodbye Hillary

J
actually its hillary who claims we shoudl let it go when she sites that she was under sniper fire
or that her husband didnt lock up the nomination until well into june
or all the other countless lies she has told
but obama says the words bitter and its a four week tour of hate from that lady

And if running a successful campaign was the one true test of a successful presidency – I’d be supporting for Karl Rove for president.
Axelrod has done a great job. Obama’s speechwriters have done a great job. Obama himself – arrogant, naive and inexperienced.

debra remember that great president george w bush
yea good job electing him

bhrandon
Can you ever support anything with rational facts?

Many women who are avowed Hillary Clinton supporters are declaring they won’t vote for Barack Obama in the fall. I get the anger and the disappointment. But to quote SNL’s Amy Poehler and Seth Meyers: Really? You’d rather vote for John McCain, a man who has a 25-year history of voting against a woman’s right to choose? A man who over the last eight years that NARAL has released a pro-choice scorecard has received a 0 percent rating? A man whose campaign website says he believes Roe v. Wade “must be overturned”? A man who has vowed that, as president, he will be “a loyal and unswerving friend of the right to life movement”? Really?

Disabled American Vets say that McCain voted 87% of the time AGAISNT Veterans issues.
Obama08

After June 3 Obama will need 5-10% of the remaining SDs to capture the nomination. It’s simple math.
Obama is within 48 delegates of the magic number. Clinton is within 245.
The math is THERE.
It’s ironic the Clinton camp earlier on in the primary said it was a “delegate race”. The delegate math was no longer in their reach so it then became “big” states. Obama won a big states and polls states he’s leading or tied to mccain in those “big” states it then became electoral count. That arguement had no push it’s now her sad attempt for the popular vote.
The Clinton campaign was right the first time. It’s a delegate race and right now, Obama is winning hands down.

Thinking
Bull — as usual!

What is democratic about the democratic party?
Posted by: Just Curious ———-
Good question. This is not the democrats I have been a part of for the past 30 years.

Ted Kennedy took it all the way to the convention…why not Hillary?
Posted by: Debra |
I think we all know why. She’s a woman and they think they can bully her.

J, the story is true, Memorial Day was yesterday, and “yap” is rude.

Actually, Obama doesn’t have eager to bully Hillary, but people behind him do. It shows though Obama when he became president, he ‘ll the white guys’ puppet. Rev. Wright know that. That’s why Rev. Wright said that he will come after him.

and even if you want to split hairs about this then according to hillary we shouldnt really care about obamas comment, and tomorrow obama should blame hillary for his comment

Jane,
Rush Limbar had operation chaos and had Republicans vote for Hillary Clinton!

In other words Obama lied about the story.

Obama knows nothing about the German concentration camps and don’t even know who his uncle is. Why would he lie like this?

J
i have a few uncles taht arent REALLY my uncle but they are still called uncles
in terms of aunts and uncles and great aunts and uncles and sixth cousins
you at times drop those extrenous bits because they are just stupid
i dont see how not saying MY GREAT UNCLE
or my SIXTH COUSIN TWICE REMOVED
has any bearing on anything
i refer to my uncles as my uncles, because that is how i know them

A,
Why are you telling me Obama lies. I know that!!

A
not as far as i know, but we do have a very large family, and when you get to sixth cousins it becomes stupid to say

Jane,
The DNC has information on their site that says that the republicans where voting for Hillary Clinton due to operation chaos they say its was not sucnificant and that at most it gave her a 2% boost.
regardless of that its clear Hillary is lossing fair and sqaure she has lost in states won 33-18… Hilary was let down by that stupid man she hired to run her campaign.. it no one elses fault!

You can ignore the obvious if you want but this was (another) Obama lie! He’s clearly the leader in the lying department. Clearly!
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SNIPER FIRE, SIR EDMUND HILLARY, NAFTA….you were saying?

Kate…don’t care, if not Hillary then McCain all the way. Me and millions of others.

Hillary is a centrist and moderate democrat. She can cross the line and vote support for some of the republican propositions.
The activists are rather left. They form the opposition voice against the politics of the republicans. The activists are usually more radical. Hillary health care plan is closer to a socialist approach, but her philosophy is more moderate in a general manner.
The leftist democrats blame the centrists for being the appeasers. How many of the democratic leaders are centrist, that I don’t know. But it seems like there are some conflicts going on within the party, the left, the right, the centrist. I don’t know much about the right. I don’t know if there are democrats that form the right wing. Maybe not.

Beacuse PR has 55 Delegates…and the popular vote there could make Hillary really be the leader in the popular vote even though that dosent mean a thing!
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But KATE, hasn’t Hillary been saying for weeks now she leads in the popular vote already? Seems odd Puerto Rico could now make her leader. Was she perhaps LYING AGAIN? Oh yah, she does that.
“I intend to campaign hard through February. As you know, it’s the DELEGATES who determine our nominee. I believe I will have the majority of pledged delegates by the end of the races in February”
-Hillary Clinton Dec ’07

Obama is a leftist every bit as dangerous as a South American dictator.

Average Joe,
It will all be over on June 4 il meet you back here and we will see : )
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really? wow – you are so smart since you can see the future :))
so 17 million people count for nothing to you..
so the fact that hillary wins the popular vote, the electoral vote and that she has the experience needed to do the job, count for nothing to you.
i guess, nothing beats an old good nice speech huh..
i tell you what: YOU should hope that it doesn’t!
i don’t believe that it is up to hillary (certainly not up to carter or the media) at this point.
WE the 17 million voters will NOT let hillary quit even if she wanted to.
get ready for the CONVENTION!
the media has been trying to cut this process short. your obama boy would love to cut this process short..
it’s not going to work!

The people have had there say:
Obama leads Clinton 33 primaries to 18
Three more to go:
If polls are right it will be :
Obama leads Clinton 35 primaries to 19
There is no trick she hasnt been robbed there is no back door trickery!
With FL and Michigan and caurcuse states counted Obama still lead popular vote by 100,000+
She may leed popular vote if PR goes to here big but they dont get to vote in GE..

It is impossible to imagine that these ties between the former and current EADS/Airbus lobbyists and McCain, the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee did not heavily factor into the decision to award the tanker deal to Airbus. Former Rep. Tom Loeffler actually was McCain’s National Finance Chairman at the same time he was lobbying for EADS. If you think that in his lobbying efforts he didn’t mention his association with McCain, you don’t understand the way the lobbying game is played in Washington.

Convention 101:
How Delegates Vote
All delegates – both pledged and unpledged – formally cast their votes at the Convention.
Voting occurs at the Convention in a number of different ways. The Convention Chair may call for a simple voice vote: “All in favor say ‘Aye.’ All opposed say ‘No.’” Votes may also be conducted by a roll call vote of the states, either by telephone or other electronic means. After each official roll call vote, each delegate’s vote is recorded on tally sheets that are then submitted by each state delegation to the Convention Secretary. No secret ballots are permitted at any stage of the Convention’s proceedings. No vote may be cast by proxy. An alternate may only replace and cast a vote on behalf of a pledged delegate.
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not one single vote has been cast by ANY delegate yet!
educate yourself you obama kids..
demconvention dot com

“Beacuse PR has 55 Delegates…and the popular vote there could make Hillary really be the leader in the popular vote even though that dosent mean a thing! Because as you said they cant vote in the GE..”
No Kate. Dead wrong. They are Americans. What they vote for counts very much. Just keep saying Puerto Rico doesn’t matter and then go there. You’ll have a very different perspective. Puerto Rico matters a lot. They are very much part of the popular vote. They dig that too.
As to the popular vote: which part of democratic republic don’t you get? The part where the people vote or the reason that the people vote rather than being ruled absolutely by elites they vote for?
Freedom and choice. Getcha some.

Average Joe,
No one is debating that joe but once Obama gets the 2,025 delegates needed he will be the nominee!
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obama has 1661 pledged delegates. how does he get to 2,025 (no Fl nor MI?)or to 2,210 (with Fl and MI) or to 2,118 (half of Fl and MI).
how does he get to that number?
superdelegates do NOT vote and do NOT pledge until the convention!!!
and what case will they have at the convention – that obama is a pretty boy who can talk? :))

because we are democrats we can actually discuss these things.. as we should.. got a problem with that?

Convention 101:
more
All delegates – both pledged and unpledged – formally cast their votes at the Convention.
The votes of unpledged delegates cast at the Convention do count towards a candidate securing the nomination. In past nominating cycles, individual unpledged delegates have endorsed a specific presidential candidate. Regardless of such endorsement, unpledged delegates are able to cast their vote for any presidential candidate at the Convention.

Convention 101
even more..
Pledged delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the Convention or on the first ballot. A pledged delegate goes to the Convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the Convention, while it is assumed that delegates will cast their votes for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required. Under the Delegate Selection Rules, a delegate is asked to “in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.” This provision is designed in part to make the Convention a deliberative body.

DELEGATES SHOULD NOT PICK THE WEAKEST CANDIDATE _ THIS IS ABOUT WINNING THE GE!
and you know what, they will not pick obama!
and you know what:
you kids know it – that is exactly why you are trying to push and bully and post all this crap all over the place!
you know what the true is:
obama loses at the Convention!
because most democrats will wake up and smell the coffee and see who the stronger candidate is!

Average Joe,
THE WEAKEST CANDIDATE ?
I thought you were for Hillary Clinton ?
One poll does not make that claim true!
6 out of the 7 most recent polls show Obama beating McBush by more !
Real Clear Politics !

Even though polls show that Clinton would be a weaker candidate against McCain than would Obama, experts say Republicans, who have long expressed a visceral distaste for Bill and Hillary Clinton, want to prevent her from being on the ballot in November.
“The argument I’ve seen is, ‘Let’s get rid of Clinton once and for all,’ ” said Ralph Bordie, who conducts the IVR Poll in Texas.
Bordie’s latest statewide poll released last week found that 15 percent of Texas Republicans who said they will support the GOP nominee in November plan nonetheless on voting for Obama next week.

Average Joe,
THE WEAKEST CANDIDATE ?
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all riht then, let us find out.
let people VOTE,
let delegates VOTE,
let democracy run its course,
Let’s go to the Convention and
Let the best win!!

Average Joe,
No one is trying to stop everyone from voting! Why do you keep saying that ?
After everyone has voted Obama will be the winner on June 4!
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here you go again. i was going to think you got some sort of problem but i can see now what your problem is…you and your oabama folk don’t like it when people VOTE, do you.
you and your obama fakes wold like to end it when you want to end it. i understand that.
but you’ve got a BIG problem.
it doesn’t end until ALL VOTES (including the DELEGATES VOTES) are in and counted!
voting doesn’t stop on June 4th – you wish it did.. but it does’t :))
let people VOTE,
let delegates VOTE,
let democracy run its course,
Let’s go to the Convention and
Let the best win!!

Convention 101 (for the obama falk who’ve had to much media bosk):
Pledged delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the Convention or on the first ballot.
A pledged delegate goes to the Convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the Convention, while it is assumed that delegates will cast their votes for the candidate they are publicly pledged to,
it is not required.
Under the Delegate Selection Rules, a delegate is asked to “in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.” This provision is designed
in part to make the Convention a
deliberative body.
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let people VOTE,
let delegates VOTE,
let democracy run its course,
Let’s go to the Convention and
Let the best win!!

In February 2008, Limbaugh announced “Operation Chaos”, a political call to action with the initial plan to have voters of the Republican Party temporarily cross over to vote in the Democratic primary and vote for Hillary Clinton, who at the time was in the midst of losing 11 straight primary contests to Barack Obama.

Convention 101 (for the obama falk who’ve had to much media bosk):
Pledged delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the Convention or on the first ballot.
A pledged delegate goes to the Convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the Convention, while it is assumed that delegates will cast their votes for the candidate they are publicly pledged to,
it is not required.
Under the Delegate Selection Rules, a delegate is asked to “in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.” This provision is designed
in part to make the Convention a
deliberative body.
–
let people VOTE,
let delegates VOTE,
let democracy run its course,
Let’s go to the Convention and
Let the best win!!

If you read my earlier posts, the point was Republicans in early states were voting for Obama, Texas, Wisconsin included.

Average Joe,
You are right. Let the people vote. And since this nominee race has been so controversed, let’s take it to the convention and examine carefully how many republicans crossed the line to vote for BO in the caucuses, and how many for Hillary in the primaries.
I believe there are more voting for BO than for Hillary. Then the superdelages can make up their mind.

@kate:
“PR dont get to vote in the GE thats a fact!”
True. No one has claimed otherwise. You claim Obama is winning the popular vote. That’s false. Hillary is winning in the popular vote and in the electoral math. Puerto Rico doesn’t count in the electoral but in the popular vote for this nomination, they do indeed count.
Quit distorting facts. You’re running scared because despite the alledged delegate count, by any count that matters in November, he is losing. You are giving the White House back to the Republicans by forcing an unelectable candidate down the throats of the party.

@len:
You say, “Hillary is winning in the popular vote and in the electoral math.”
This is true if – and ONLY if – you throw out caucus states, and count FL/MI exactly as voted (meaning zero votes for Obama in MI). Oh, and how do you propose counting votes from an ILLEGAL primary? MI’s January primary was ruled unconstitutional.
As for the electoral math – you’re trying to use projections of November results to make this claim. It has NOTHING to do with the results of the primary. Whine about the delegate apportionment all you like – but Bill Clinton won two nominations under the very same system. Hillary Clinton’s horrendous lack of preparation and organization is entirely her own fault.
Quit whining about “alledged” (that’s “a-l-l-e-g-e-d”, by the way) delegate counts. Your candidate trails in pledged delegates, superdelegates, contests won, and every popular-vote scenario except the one that disenfranchises caucus states that followed DNC rules and fully recognizes two states that violated DNC rules. Chew on THAT.

BMR, Pittsburgh PA,
Right on ! The Prosecutor, Assistant U.S. Attorney Reid J. Schar has already said:
“There is no evidence or accusation of any wrongdoing on the part of Obama”

@kate:
Clinton 17,410,209
Obama 17,234,194
Try again after Puerto Rico votes.
The math is not in your favor.