By Kelly Moeller

Jun 6, 2008 9:58am

“3 AM for Feminism”

The fantastic Michelle Goldberg takes a provocative look at feminism, post-Clinton campaign.

"Clinton has encountered straight-up misogyny–lots of it. At the same time, anger at obvious instances of sexism has expanded to encompass every setback she’s faced, every jab thrown her way–the cut and thrust of any normal campaign. Several of her feminist defenders, for example, interpreted calls for Clinton to drop out, lest she cause a party rift, as expressions of condescending gender bias. …But that wasn’t anti-woman or even anti-Clinton; it was just Democratic politics."

Read the whole thing HERE.

- jpt

User Comments

Two great feminists I admire, Germaine Greer and Camille Paglia, hate Hillary Clinton just as much as I do.
But she’s history now, thank Mother Earth.
LOL

Posted by: merel | June 6, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Beating on Hillary Clinton to distract from the problems of the Obama candidacy is a dangerous strategy. It indicates an addiction to hate and a love of the conflict. That makes it amateur hour. You won’t get her 18 million that way and he will lose some of his 49%.
You best figure out who your opponent is because he certainly knows who you are and he has considerable assets to throw at you courtesy of the primaries.

Posted by: len | June 6, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

I am glad this primary season is over.

Posted by: Huh | June 6, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

I don’t care what went on and now it is OVER ,he does not need her on this ticket would be a bad move.All the womoen who don’t get there way cry boo —hoo they don’t treat us right..You know what play the game right or get to hey out.

Posted by: Ind Voter | June 6, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am

So much hate! I truly wanted Hillary to be our next President, but since that is not going to happen, my focus now shifts to Obama. I can’t hate anyone, even if I don’t particularly like all of his words, actions and decisions in his personal choices. I especially can’t dislike to the point of voting against my own interest, and the interests of those I love. We are too good for this, and eventually people will embrace their better selves and we will heal…..God willing and the creek don’t rise.

Posted by: Dee | June 6, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Not saying there was no sexism in this primary race, but sexism was NOT the main reason Clinton lost. It’s very simple and convenient to blame it just on sexism.

Posted by: Dem in Chicago | June 6, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

jgaw and geevil
McCain and Lieberman speeches to AIPAC are similar if not completely the same as ones they gave before we invaded Iraq as they were chairing the committee for liberation of Iraq…
a group of officials, lobbyists and propaganda that was set up by Cheney and Bush to push for the war (which McLellan just confirmed)
The speeches they just gave were different really from one word…they changed out Iran for Iraq.
so what do you think you all should be talking about… this unsubstantiated bologne about Obama being like Bush and that your a clinton democrat for McCain… or the fact that McCain if you’ll remember said he knew that it was going to be this tough before the war and STILL wanted to invade.
Is that the guy you want in office?
In most Americans opinion if you see this all clearly…you would say ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Posted by: dl | June 6, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Sexism was a Factor. No one can deny that.
The DNC power machine, was another factor.
Clinton did not submit to the DNC supremacy plan, Power, greed and complete control. So she had to go.
She invoked rights, she invoke for the people. She invoked for the Country.
Obama submitted his consolation prize is Black Liberation, and reparations for slavery, and making history.
DNC will rule the country, Obama will be the front person and spokesman who is able to talk the people into anything at all.
It is not about you. it is not about me, or the people, or the best interest of the country. It is about power and control.
Clinton bucked the power machine, and was thrown off.

Posted by: seah | June 6, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Whoa – Hillary has never said any of the above. To note sexism in a campaign is factual. No one has said that’s it the only reason for her second place finish.
One more phony narrative galloping across the Internet. But it keeps the hosility machine in overdrive.
The media can’t let Hillary go – even after they installed their preferred candidate. What does it take to make you guys happy?

Posted by: Marie | June 6, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

Sorry, but you are not strong enough to endure someone picking on your pantsuits, then you are not strong enough to be leader of the Free World.

Posted by: Fired UP!! | June 6, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Senator Obama is flying high now but he will crash and burn on election day in November. Americans will not allow a left wing super radical to be shoved down our throats. He does not represent America values and is corrupt.
Beating and blaming Clinton will not get him elected.

Posted by: Mary | June 6, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

Obama will be another Bush term–arrogant, inexperienced and propped up by his party and money.
McCain isn’t flashy or a good speaker but those shallow qualities won’t protect our country.
McCain has a proven record, a history we can depend on, true patriotism, humility, strength and experience.
I won’t support Obama even with Hillary’s encouragement.
Hillary2012 McCain08

Posted by: cindy in nc | June 6, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

I believe, as Hillary put it, if you can’t stand the heat get out of the Kitchen.
And now she is on her way out.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | June 6, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am

Who are the wimpy insecure pundits, the ones afraid of stong women, going to bash after Hillary has moved on?
So what’s next an attack on McCain’s age? I hope they turn off veterans and older voters along with the women.
More votes for McCain.
McCain08 Hillary2012

Posted by: cindy in nc | June 6, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am

If my daughter wanted to join an all-male LaCrosee team to prove that she could be as tough as the guys and then complained that they were too rough on her, I’d kick her fanny back on the playing field and tell her she made the choice to play.
Just because Clinton is a woman, doesnt mean she should get the “kitten” treatment from the Press. Politics is a contact sport. And we have Primaries to weed out the weak ones.

Posted by: Fired UP!! | June 6, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

The continued calls for Clinton to drop out were unprecedented. They were not addressed but encouraged by the party leadership. They were sexist and never would have happened to a man. And they also gave us a glimpse at the party we have been voting for.
Just as Democrats flock to Obama this election has exposed the weakness of the party leaders who encouraged this situation….the party base (the voters not the activists) will be looking elsewhere.

Posted by: Jackie | June 6, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am

By the way why hasn’t everyone reported that the plan that gave Obama MI delegates was written by 3 members of the MI party that endorsed Obama the next day after it was accepted? The same people that were publicly waffling and privately getting his campaign’s input for the plan…the same people who at Obama’s direction were able to stop the revote in MI?

Posted by: Jackie | June 6, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

“And we have Primaries to weed out the weak ones.”
Eugenics? Not exactly a Democratic strategy. The National Socialist thought is a grand idea.

Posted by: len | June 6, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

STOP THE WHINING.
The Thatchers, Bhuttos and Kumaratungas of this world WIN INSPITE OF SEXISM.
Clinton wanted to campaign in a perfect world – ain’t gonna happen.
(And yes, she DID PLAY THE RACE CARD TOO).

Posted by: Lauren | June 6, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

Savage Politics:
BARACK OBAMA IS NOT AN HORRENDOUS CANDIDATE BECAUSE OF HIS SKIN COLOR(SOME MIGHT SAY HE IS IN SPITE OF IT), BUT RACE “WAS” and “IS” A FACTOR IN THIS ELECTION.
OBAMA HAS BECOME ONE OF THE MOST CORRUPTING INFLUENCES IN OUR POLITICAL/PUBLIC LIFE, EXACTLY BECAUSE OF HIS RACE-BAITING AND DISHONESTY. THE MEDIA AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAVE BASICALLY INSULTED HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF STRUGGLE FOR RACIAL SOLIDARITY AND EQUALITY, BY PURPOSELY CHOOSING THE LEAST CAPABLE “BLACK MAN” THAT THEY COULD HAVE FOUND WITHIN THEIR OWN RANKS, AND HAVE VESTED HIM WITH A CREDIBILITY HE NEVER EARNED”.
AND NOW THE LAST OF THE DEMOCRATIC ELITES, THE ONES WHO HAD ENDORSED AND SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON ALL THIS TIME, ARE NOW READY TO SHOMEHOW PITCH NEW ARGUMENTS OF WHY EVERYONE SHOULD JUMP INTO OBAMA’S SHIP, EVEN IF THEY ALL DISAGREE WITH HIS CAPACITY AND DECENCY AS A CANDIDATE(AND EVEN WHILE IT IS SLOWLY SINKING).
DOES ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THE STENCH OF SUBMISSION AND SERVILITY FUMING OUT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS? IF WE ALL KNOW THAT OBAMA IS A BOLD FACED LIAR, A THIEF, A SEXIST AND A RACIST; DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF HE SELLS THE IDEA OF DEMOCRATIC POLICIES WHICH WERE NOT ONLY THOUGHT OUT BY SOMEONE ELSE, BUT OF WHICH HE HAS NO POWER TO ENFORCE”.

Posted by: stella | June 6, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Message to Stella:
———-
“STOP THE WHINING.
The Thatchers, Bhuttos and Kumaratungas of this world WIN INSPITE OF SEXISM.
Clinton wanted to campaign in a perfect world – ain’t gonna happen.
(And yes, she DID PLAY THE RACE CARD TOO).”

Posted by: Bertha | June 6, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

WELL SEEMS TO ME CLINTON WANTED TO PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS SHE SHOULD OF TAKEN IT LIKE THE BOYS JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN MEANS SHE HAD TO HAVE SPECIAL TREATMENT DONT THINK SO SO GET OVER THE SEXISIT THING AND I AM A WOMAN AND I DONT FEEL SHE LOST BECAUSE OF SEXISIM SHE MADE ALOT OF MISTAKES ALONG THE WAY NOW GET OVER THIS BS AND MOVE ON!!!!

Posted by: ANGIE | June 6, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

To Stella—Thanks for telling the truth.

Posted by: Mary | June 6, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

Spock, you hit it right on the nail. The Democrats/Liberals are more concerned about the bogus global warming issue that they don’t care what happens to the economy. They want corporations and small businesses to comply with the 50% emissions cuts, regardless of how many employees they have to lay off in order to pay for the added expense. It is outrageous that the Democrats/Liberals refuse to give the American people any relief on energy costs. They continue to block attempts to increase our supply of domestic oil (block new drilling, block the building of new refineries) and they refuse to allow the expansion of nuclear energy. But what is really sad is the American electorate appears ready to give the Democrats/Liberals huge majorities in both Houses of Congress and control of the White House. That will give the Democrats/Liberals free reign to destroy the free market and our economy and free reign to control every aspect of our personal lives both in their misguided attempt to prevent global warming and in the name of preventative health care (an intregal part of their womb-to-tomb universal health care).

Posted by: James Danley | June 6, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

Irrational feminism is more like it. There is no rational reason for female Clinton supporters to vote for McCain and it plays into one of the most common stereotypes about women–we are emotional creatures who stamp our feet and vow vengeance when we don’t get our way. I’m a woman, but I’m an American first. This country is on the brink of complete disaster and can not afford another 4 years of failed Republican policies. If you are a woman who believes healthcare should be universal, value a woman’s right to choose, wants to end the War in Iraq and be able to send her children to college without going bankrupt, then the it’s obvious McCain is NOT the choice. Women who vote for McCain out of sheer pique are not only doing themselves a disservice but are also screwing the nation as a whole. Remember, Gals when the elections are over, Ms. Clinton returns to her 100 million dollar fortune and complete insulation from the hardships most women in this country are experiencing. Keep your noses and do the right thing.

Posted by: April Campbell | June 6, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

Clinton’s gendered imagery:
- “I’m your gal!”
- “If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.”

Posted by: Tricia | June 6, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Um, I gonna vote for McCain cause um HIllary lost. Yes. She lost. Now I will vote for McCain out of spite. I will vote for the candidate who shares all of the values of George Bush. Who wants to continue in Iraq for a hundred years. Who left his wife and kids for a younger, rich woman. Who was censured and admonished by his Senate peers for corruption during the Savings and Loan scandal. I will advocate this continued misery because my beloved Hillary lost and I am a sore loser and want her to be President in 2012. I am Hillary Supporter. GO McCain 08 so Hillary can be President. Don’t this make much sense? Yeah for McCain so I am for Hillary! Der Der de Der.

Posted by: Cognitive Dissonance | June 6, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

angie,
she did take it like the big boys,
the big boys (whoever they are)
could not have stood up and kept going wtih what the media (male and female) were throwing at her.
everyone involved in this obama and his group, supporters, surrogates, dnc, and msm KNEW they could NOT beat her fair and square so they all stacked the deck against her, and she kept standing and holding her head up high.
_______________________________________
now to the person who said sen. clinton still being on the scene is ruining her legacy, I say maybe in your clouded mind and eyes, but the history book story about sen. clinton and her good work for the american people is written and set. (it was long before she ran for president-being able to add she got this far as a presidential cand. is just gravy)
the good sen. clinton has done is well recorded.
sen. clinton’ good works legacy is intact.
and no amount of your saying this has ruined it will change that.

Posted by: jgaw | June 6, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

Feminism?
Bob Dylan endorses Barack Obama.

Posted by: Keef | June 6, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

THIS IS WHY CLINTON LOST; NOT ALL 50 STATES MATTERED TO HER:
From MSNBC’s Athena Jones:
“From the start, theirs had been a big-state strategy that paid little attention to caucuses. Bill hadn’t done well in them either, the New York senator grew fond of reminding reporters in the midst of her series of losses in February.”
SEXISM IS A CONVENIENT EXCUSE.

Posted by: Beverley | June 6, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Kiss my (you know what) Democratic party….. Mccain it is! …that will teach you to tamper with my vote!

Posted by: ianchicago | June 6, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

maggie,
you’ve got that right!
going to jail
in jail
out of jail on parole.

Posted by: jgaw | June 6, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

Hillary is and was not inspirational. We do have plenty of inspirational people and half of them are women. The governor of Kansas and Carly Fiorina come to mind. They both have a long list of executive accomplishments. Many others – Feinstein is a great one.
Hillary was the one who beat up the women who her husband abused and exposed himself to. That does not sound like a good resume item for any candidate, especially one hoping to enlist women to vote. That would have come out in the general election.

Posted by: disambiguates | June 6, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

FIRED UP! — If your daughter started getting different treatment from the refs than the other male players, you might understand the frustration of so many at how the media (the “refs”) created an evironment where Hillary was treated different b/c she’s a woman.
Show me one other candidate EVER who’s appearance, sex life, or sexual preference has been so widely discussed? Show me one other candidate EVER who was referred to as the equivalent of a bitch, a shrew, a hag, Sybil, Macbeth’s wife, etc? Show me one other candidate EVER who kept be asked to leave when there was always a chance of winning? Show me one other candidate EVER who won so many votes and still had to answer questions about why run?
Show me that and then I might believe sexism had no role in the campaign.

Posted by: SandyZ | June 6, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

A true democrat is a democrat for a reason, principles
those true democrats coudl never vote for what mccain is and wants in this world
only a dirty repub comes up with the task of throwing away ones vote just to cause chaos or to issues some sort of threat
and you call yourselves patriots, i bet all those peopel who died to give you the right to vote really like to see people like you trying to screw around with the system out of hate and stupidity
democrats unite and take back america!

Posted by: bhrandon | June 6, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

disambiguates – the Carly Fiorina who lost half of HP’s value during her tenure and who was fired? Not really best example …

Posted by: GSN | June 6, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

“WHY DIDN’T MORE WOMEN VOTE FOR HILLARY”
Time Magazine’s Amy Sullivan explains:
“Optimist feminists, on the other hand, don’t question that a woman can become President or that it will occur in their lifetime. When these women look around, they see themselves making up half of business- and medical-school classes. They are law partners, CEOs and university presidents. And they don’t want to rally behind a female candidate simply because she is a woman.”

Posted by: Eva | June 6, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Stella…you nailed this one. I am a very offended Latino.Not only that Obama disrespected us by stealing Cesar Chavez’s slogan of “yes we can” but more because we’ were told we didn’t matter.
I said this before and I’ll say it again…
TAKE IT FROM A LATINO..IT WILL BE CLINTON OR MCCAIN. ……. MCCAIN it is.

Posted by: ianchicago | June 6, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

WELL IAN, CLINTON DOES NOT OWN THIS LATINA!!!!!!!!
I AM NOBODY’S PAWN.
PRINCIPLES COUNT FOR SOMETHING AND I WILL VOTE FOR THE DEM PARTY AND OBAMA!!!!

Posted by: Tessa | June 6, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

Really calls for her to drop out weren’t sexist. They were accompanied by vicious name calling with the standard mysoginistic terms as well as Tonya Harding, Glen close in Fatal Atrraction etc. etc.
Ted Kennedy went all the way to convetion 700 delegates behind the sitting President that he was challenging. He was one of the people calling on her to drop out.
Sorry, its sexism and mysoginy. There is no other excuse or explaination and it was committed by elected Democrats.
There is no other democracy in the world where a major candidate would be forced out of the race before the convention with the number of delegates she had. No where else. It was disgusting and the DNC is obviously not interested in winning in Nov.

Posted by: s.b. | June 6, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

THE CLINTON’S CAMP PLAYED THE RACE CARD.
Their camp is not as angelic as you may portray them.

Posted by: tina | June 6, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Women who in the future follow Hillary’s footsteps pursuing the presidency will be able to benefit from her historic campaign.
The problem today isn’t that woman candidates can’t get elected but rather that hardly any ever run.
Hopefully that will change after this election.

Posted by: El_Pajaro | June 6, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

I wish Hillary would have faced the sexism head strong during her campaign instead of the “poor me” personae. I wanted to see her tough as nails, Rosie the Riveter -tough, fighting like suffrages used to or anyone who ever fought for civil rights.
But instead I saw a wimp, and I know she’s tougher than that. After putting up with Bill…please. I know she didn’t instill those qualities in Chelsea, but regretfully it seems what she instilled in the many women who can ONLY see sexism in the aftermath of this campaign.

Posted by: cindy | June 6, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

HRC LOST BECAUSE SHE IS HRC AND NOT BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN.
Sexism hasn’t stopped women in other countries from becoming Presidents and Prime Ministers.
Have a GOOD CAMPAIGN STRATEGY and you will win regardless…

Posted by: Iris | June 6, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

Well good for you Tessa,
Im sure you speak for the 30% of Latinos who actually voted for him right? …and by you voting for his IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE DNC said you would do..so whos the pawn now??????…..Obama, Pelosi, Dean can all kiss our boots! They let us down…….really bad……especially in Florida. Im sure Mccain is going to milk this topic dry!!!!!!! …well the truth is, he doesn’t need to. The DNC screwed us Latinos.

Posted by: ianchicago | June 6, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

El_Pajaro -
Totally agree.

Posted by: cindy | June 6, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT WILL HAVE TO BE A GOOD CAMPAIGNER – PERIOD.

Posted by: Olave | June 6, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

eva,
what are you trying to say?
i as an african american woman voted for sen. clinton not because she is a woman, but because she has all the right qualifications and the will to put this country back on the right track.
if obama had come to the table with the good works of sen. clinton i would have supported him
only the people who based their votes on its the first woman or the first african american-see people who didn’t vote for their choice in the eyes of being anti woman or anti black.
for me it was always the issues
and obama didn’t have it then and he will not have it in nov.
and all of you people who are obama supporters ragging on mccain now.
should have thought about that before you voted for obama.
it will be on your’s and the msm head
when we get mcsame bomb iran woman hating mccain for president.
the media cheated the american voters out of being able to intelligently decide if obama was the RIGHT candidate to run the dem. party.
and now today, since you have obama,
the msm are talking in the same breath the historic significance of obama and the weakness of him. and how he will probally not win, or do you think he can win the ge.

Posted by: jgaw | June 6, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

remember when everyone in the news especially Chris Matthews from MSNBC said Puerto Rico shouldn’t matter because they can’t vote in the National election?
well we aren’t gonna tolerate this!

Posted by: ianchicago | June 6, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

Sure thing, Sweetie….

Posted by: skippy | June 6, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

Obama is the WORST and most Worthless candidate in the history of the USA.
McCain 08!

Posted by: Vickie | June 6, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

Posted by: Iris,
I agree Iris. Hillary suffered a loss because of who she is and because of poor strategy. Period. All this feminist foolishness and the idiots being led around the nose by talks of sexism will accomplish, is make it harder for the next woman to run for office. The next woman will be lucky to get support from anyone but gays and women. Men aren’t stupid. They won’t vote for someone that will have the potential to effect an election by false claims of sexism!

Posted by: Angela H. | June 6, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

I’ll have you all know that..despite that PR can’t vote…..most of us Latinos in texas,arizona, new mexico, california can and we WILL STAND WITH THEM AND We WILL vote for Mccain!!!!!!

Posted by: ianchicago | June 6, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

one last thing,
when the black people started to vote 90% for obama, without finding out all about him, this became about race.
this election this year should NEVER have been about race.
the war played a part also
the war is one along with the economy should have stayed front and center.
but with the msm playing on this race thing and breaking it down between blacks and whites.
has sealed obama’ doom in the ge.
because many of the people who voted for obama as a vote AGAINST sen.clinton
will not push that button for obama in the ge. because in spite of all of his speeches obama has shown he can beat sen. clinton. he has not shown he has what it takes to run this country.
and in the ge that will be the big issue.
the dnc with the help of the msm did the dem. voters a disservice this time around.

Posted by: jgaw | June 6, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

More demonization of Hillary Clinton. Do any of you ever wander, if the media is so dead set on destroying someone (Clintons) that maybe they have an agenda? And maybe that agenda is not in your best interest?

Posted by: A reader in Georgia | June 6, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

18,000,000 voted for Hillary and if five% of them stick to there guns and vote Mccain Obama will be nothing more than Hillary History.

Posted by: Bishop | June 6, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

I’ll stand up for Hill and Bill and vote for Mccain.

Posted by: Bishop | June 6, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

bishop,
i know now the dnc must be so anti-clinton that they either knew this and didn’t care or they are now just dumbfounded and scratching their heads wondering what to do.
they were more worried about losing the black vote.
which historically for blacks when has a vote for a clinton been a loss for the blacks.

Posted by: justsaying | June 6, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

janice,
bishops comments right below your’ are correct. just five percent. and mccain is in. it was all over npr yesterday and today in the nyt a black scientist proved the dems have screwed themselves this time.
obama will not win.

Posted by: justsaying | June 6, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

Personally I do belive there certainly was some sexism in this race but to say there was more sexism in this race than racism might be the biggest whopper I’ve EVER heard. Because I’m so sure it’s much easier to run for the presidential nomination as a black man named Barack Hussein Obama than as a white woman.

Posted by: Dominique | June 6, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Kennedy trying to relieve his youth his they have all been just giddy its got to do with the rainbow push and latinos they were not going to let them back another group just like us women won’t so I hope they have fun I will never be a democrat again after thirty years and it has nothing to do about race .I would have voted Obama but when you pit one voting bloc against another you need to lose your party.

Posted by: Bishop | June 6, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

Flordia voter you are upset well so are we.

Posted by: Bishop | June 6, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

I am a bit confused as to the sexism Hillary has faced in this campaign. Put next to the racism poured onto Obama, starting at his name through to his pastors comments and the extension of that onto him, it seems that Hillary got a pretty fair deal to me.
Given that the moments that she showed her feminine side (I think especially of the tears in New Hampshire here) were the moments that kept her in the campaign, how is it that she suffered much in the way of sexism. I think actually Matt Dowd was spot on when he said that the mistake Clinton made was to run as a ‘dad’ when the country wanted a mom. She was TOO much of a man, not enough of a woman.
I also think she played the victim too much. Obama, even in the heat of the hottest controversies, never did that. He dealt with the Wright controversy head on, he didn’t try and squirm out of the ‘Bitter’ comment, admitted his mistake and moved on. I think the campaign has helped him immensely in looking a stronger candidate. This is no George McGovern or Mike Dukakis. IMO he will win the general by 8-10 points, the electoral college by something like 370 to 180.

Posted by: markymark | June 6, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

If you want to be mad be mad at the right people when I was a democrat last week I would have voted Obama but I will not now there are to many fixed things about this election like the night Obama becomes thier canidate just happens to be MLK I had a dream sp. 40 years and since I have been around I have never seen a democrat treated as bad as Hillary was .

Posted by: Bishop | June 6, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

florida voters
sounds upset because not everyone said amen and blindly voted for the black guy.
some of us paid attention to the issues
and decided sen. clinton was the better to run this country.
now that the dnc witht the help of the msm have made that mistake
the supporters of obama who are thinking people are now wondering what have we done.
and the people who voted for him just because of the pigment of his skin-well they are just satisfied to be able to continue to call people racist and all other names they can think of out of frustration, of course.
because they did not know the issues.

Posted by: justsaying | June 6, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

More demonetization of Hillary Clinton. Do any of you ever wonder, if the media is so dead set on destroying someone (Clintons) that maybe they have an agenda? And maybe that agenda is not in your best interest?
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | Jun 6, 2008 12:45:18 PM
*********************************
No need to wonder b/c now it is BHO’s turn on the screws.
We ain’t seen nothing as what is to come piling on him from the RNC who own the media!
Racism will be rampart and poor BHO and Michelle will be annihilated!
Just vote McCain.

Posted by: HP Boston | June 6, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

jgaw wrote:
When the black people started to vote 90% for Obama, without finding out all about him, this became about race.
——————-
CORRECTION: When black people heard that Bill Clinton compared Barack Obama to Jesse Jackson when Bill always ran to the black church “after he sinned,” black people started to vote 90% for Obama.
OR
When white people in Ohio, Indiana and Pennsylvania learned that Barack Obama was black, without finding anything about him, and told news reporters hells no I’m voting for a black man, this TOO became about race.

Posted by: cindy | June 6, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

as an african american woman voted for sen. clinton not because she is a woman, but because she has all the right qualifications and the will to put this country back on the right track.
if obama had come to the table with the good works of sen. clinton i would have supported him
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jgaw you said it best your post is spot on.
All the jawing going on does not change the fact that the DNC did the worst possible thing in setting up 2 minorities to go after the presidency.
A 6 year vetted qualified Senator, a woman who worked for the Democrats for YEARS!
A 143 day Senator, unknown, unvetted, inexperienced. A young black man with a far, far left background with dubious friends.
They then savaged the woman.
They supported the black man at every level, money, media fame, idolatry, cried out he was a VICTIM at every turn!
I must vote for McCain.
Your fault DNC, you set it up, you set us up to fail again!

Posted by: HP Boston | June 6, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

cindy
how is what bill clinton said about jesse and barack racist?
jesse said he didn’t see it as racist, he appreciated the shout out from bill.
so cindy, you tell me how was it racist?

Posted by: jgaw | June 6, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Boston – please point out the policy differences between Hillary and Obama.. maybe you can count them on one hand. Even Hillary admits that. Listen to Hillary… Don’t vote for McCain. A vote for McCain is a vote AGAINST HILLARY. If you love her so much why do you threaten to betray the America in which she beleive?

Posted by: power2people | June 6, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Boston – please point out the policy differences between Hillary and Obama.. maybe you can count them on one hand. Even Hillary admits that. Listen to Hillary… Don’t vote for McCain. A vote for McCain is a vote AGAINST HILLARY. If you love her so much why do you threaten to betray the America in which she beleive?
Posted by: power2people | Jun 6, 2008 3:22:07
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No difference he copied every thing she said.
He never had a plan, it was hope and change?
Hell I can get hope in church and change at the bank.
He is a phony and a fraud.
Now I guess you will start shouting racism and I have heard that so much I have to vote McCain, the hate from BHO’S supported have poisoned my soul. .

Posted by: HP Boston | June 6, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

boston,
the obama supporter have to say that,because that is what THEY have been TOLD, they don’t know if there is a difference or not.
THEY know Sen. clinton is smart, so if it can be said that obama has the same polices as sen. clinton that is good enough for them.

Posted by: jgaw | June 6, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Bhrandon, only a “dirty” Republican you say! I guess you didn’t see where the Democrats crossed over and voted in the Republican Michigan primary! The DailyKos urged Democrats to “help with a raid of the Michigan Primary and vote for Mitt Romney to draw out the Republican presidential race to weaken GOP chances in the general (election).”

Posted by: James Danley | June 6, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Last week, even Howard Dean admitted that there were many sexist remarks and actions directed toward HRC and how he deplored all such actions. Where was he when these sexist comments were being made?? Oh yeah, he was in the corner with the people making those sexist remarks, the Obama camp! And Dean got his payback from Obama yesterday for his ignoring any sexist comments untill it was all over. Kieth Oberman and jack Cafferty really seem to enjoy making rude and sexist comments about HRC. Any hint of racism, real or imagined was played up byt Obama/Dean/Peposi but they completely ignored all the hatefull sexist comments aimed at HRC. Well Now I’m ignoring those hollow calls for dem party unity. Should have thought about unity a long time ago. Cause I’m already gone. I heard for months how HRC was really a closet republican so my voting for McCain should be completely understandable. And its the old line party activists that the
DNC has alienated, not just some causual sometime voters. BYE BYE

Posted by: chicosez | June 6, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

But if the delegate situation and nominee race were reversed with Obama running in the same second place behind Clinton, would there have been calls for him to step down?

Posted by: katrina | June 6, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

Absolutley, directly from the former President.

Posted by: power2people | June 6, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

Thanks for the link to the Goldberg article. I can’t entirely agree with her: “there is serious disaffection right now among many women about the sense of being shunted aside, told to pipe down and line up.” I felt that – but I felt it because I am a middle aged professional woman who did not line up behind Hillary.
It seem like what the campaign did do was open up the question of what it really means to support women’s rights – not just glass-ceiling feminists – but regular women.

Posted by: Mara | June 6, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

Nobody really knows who BO is (his real self and character, his real convictions) while the media and BO supporters, the Dem militants and activists indulged in bashing her.
How can one vote for presidency a candidate that is not so known?

Posted by: jane | June 6, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

Bob Dylan endorses BO?
I read on 2 occasions comments posted by Bob Dylan in Realclear Politics, and It seemed clear to me that he supported Hillary Clinton.
So there seems to be some kind of misinformation going around to propell pro-BO propaganda.
I don’t care any more. But I have to say that the bloggers commenting about an article by Marie Coco saying that BO has to ask women to support him, was like a battle between Hillary supporters and BO supporters (paid bloggers I think).
It was isane.
BO paid bloggers were worn out because they could not convince any of Hillary supporters!
There is still a profound sense of disgust towards what happened in the primary election.

Posted by: jane | June 6, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

Tricia,
I would say :
they can’t stand the heat, that’s why they got her out of the kitchen!

Posted by: jane | June 6, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Goldsburg has it going on. Equal playing field only, not fairness in all ways.
It isn’t fair that the media can say outright “YOU SUCK, GET OUT.” to a man. But the media MUST be fair because it is a woman? No, the media should tone it down until all 50 states and territories have their say. If we need to do something as a democracy, it is to pick a candidate ourselves.
Women took it too far and made the term misogyny meaningless. The thing about gender discrimination is that it has a horrible impact on careers, reputation and access. The media and the public calling Hillary names AND she got 18 million votes…not too bad.
Name calling is an American institution. The names called shouldn’t be sexist, but calling names in and of itself IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE.

Posted by: Genna | June 6, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

Too many people put
color
before
country.
Too many people accepted
conceit and arrogance
for content and substance.
Too many people wore blinders
on their minds
and hatchets in their mouths.
Too many people supported the
broken down, out of touch DNC.
Now there will be less of them.

Posted by: In Retrospect: | June 6, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Nancy Pelosi and the DNC have been absolutely convinced that women for Hillary will end up backing Obama. Pelosi said it at least 10 weeks ago. They just don’t get it. Telling me I WILL vote for Obama because they say so. Blowing us off is the ONE thing that’s enraged me. Bosses who have told me how much smarter they are only to have me do their work for them and cover their a$$e$. Done..Finished..June Cleaver has left the building.

Posted by: RL in Illinois | June 7, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am

Calls for HRC to step down by her male peers was a behavior, not part of the democratic process. The democratic process encourages votes and record voting turnout. It also allows mediation with the DNC.
As an example of behaviors which are lacking in respect, Edwards could have taken his concerns privately to Clinton but instead aired them as publicly as possible. He said she should get out of the race as he simultaneously backed Obama, which was immediately after she had a landslide victory in WVA. Of course, women reacted to that!
The irony is that as Clinton’s male peers were complaining about her damaging democratic unity, their complaints were causing women to feel increasingly divisive towards the party. The behavior of prominent democratic leaders has truly left a lot to be desired.
But when you look at the alternative, it’s definitely time to put aside the recent shortcomings of a handful of men . . .

Posted by: katrina | June 7, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am

I’m not feminist but I voted for Hillary with lots of other good reasons.
Yes, I have a woman’s feelings when it comes with failure like now.
I can’t even imagine how Hillary will deal with her lost.
Even worst when tomorrow she has to concede and endorses her rival at the same time.

Posted by: catleya | June 7, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am

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