By Kelly Moeller

Jun 16, 2008 10:11am

Broad Appeal

Both Sens. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and John McCain, R-Ariz., had women on their minds this weekend.

Obama gave a provocative speech on Father’s Day (watch HERE) in which the first major-party African-American presidential candidate gave some tough love to the black community, specifically on the epidemic of fatherlessness. There were any number of interesting dynamics at play here, but one of them is Obama telling dads — specifically black dads — to grow up and start acting like men.

It’s a message with some appeal to women voters, Obama’s push that single moms need help from government and from dads as well.

But McCain is not giving up women voters, who tend to vote Democratic, without a fight.

In a conference call Saturday, McCain praised Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, hoping to pick up some of her disappointed supporters. "I’m told that Senator Clinton inspired millions of young women in this country," McCain said, adding that she "inspired a whole generation of young Americans in this country."

He cited Clinton, Carly Fiorina, Meg Whitman and Sandra Day O’Connor as role models for women. He did not mention the highest ranking Republican woman in government, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, or the highest ranking woman in the U.S. Congress, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif..

McCain said that women "are still vastly under represented" in government — on the Supreme Court, in the House and Senate. "I just want to assure you with confidence, at the end of my first term you will see a dramatic increase in women in every part of the government," he said.

The Gallup Poll Daily tracking has Obama with a significant lead among women voters right now, with 54% to McCain’s 38% (McCain takes men, 50-44).

Lately Democrats have been trying to make much hay about a fundraiser once scheduled for McCain by former Texas gubernatorial candidate Clayton Williams, who in 1990, when inclement weather delayed his cattle roundup here, compared the bad weather to rape. "If it’s inevitable, just relax and enjoy it,’ he said. The comments were later used against Williams in an ad from his Democratic opponent, eventual winner Ann Richards. (Watch HERE.)

Williams later said, "I feel just terrible about this. Rape is one of the most violent types of crime we are faced with today and will be met with a firm hand if I’m elected governor. Once again, I apologize from the bottom of my heart."

ABC News’ Rick Klein broke the news of this fundraiser Friday, which the McCain campaign first said it was canceling but now appears to be rescheduling for a later date. Democrats are now calling upon McCain to return the $300,000 Williams has raised for him.

“The only thing more insulting than John McCain’s willingness to keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign cash raised by Claytie Williams is his attempt to get away with it by simply changing the venue of his fundraiser," said Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan. "It’s clear that John McCain is more concerned with dealing with a ‘perception problem’ than in condemning these despicable remarks or in living up to the straight talk reputation he brags about."

So…does that mean the Obama campaign won’t have anything to do with former comedy writer Al Franken, the Democratic Senate nominee in Minnesota, who is currently under fire for a rape joke he made in 1995?

- jpt

User Comments

Kind of a smart aleck headline for this post! But it is kinda funny.

Posted by: Vnd | June 16, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

McCain is counting on women being stupid or at least forgetful. McCain is no friend of women, no matter who he surround himself with or praises.

Posted by: jmc663 | June 16, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

Dear American Voters,
Hon. Senator McCain and Obama, besides each having many attributes and characteristics. The critical differences between the two of these presidential presumptive nominees are as under:
1. Presidential “Temperament and Composer”.
2. Little Washington “insider Versus outsider” experience.
3. “Vision and mission” for our nation future rather than past.
4. American policies, ” first U.S.A Centric” than any other country [ ies ] centric.
In my professional opinion Senator Obama leads in all above qualities.
The need of our next movement and generation is a change. The Change in ” past Washington and its Leadership”. A change we can believe in and not the seductive, deceptive, and confusing slogan of “leader we can believe in” [? Effexor ?".
Our Greatgrand Nation has to address many present and future challenges and start with new clean "Slate and Senator".
God Bless America. its diverse people, and our Greatgrand Nation.
Our Greatgrand Nation is needs the CHANGE at every level and for long time.
I am sure Senator Obama with the help of Senator Clinton and her supporters, can deliver that CHANGE.
Please stay involved, stay engaged, and stay informed. Please do not allow any seduction, deception, and or confusion by some partisan media and leaders effect your vote [ Psychological Terrorism ]..
Yours truly,
COL. [retd] A.M.Khajawall
Disabled American Veteran
Forensic psychiatrist

Posted by: COL.[retd]A.M.Khajawall | June 16, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Do you really care about the status
of the american politics????????
If you do……the current candidates
DO NOT OFFER any real solutions to the american people.
Change will come ONLY if you replace
all members of the house[435] and senate[100].Also replace the executive and judiciary
branch.Abolish lobbyists and reform our
democracy according to U.S constitution.

Posted by: Redneck | June 16, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am

Obama also lead 62%-28% amongst hispanics
and
47%-42% amongst Blue-collar workers
Results:
Obama is gaining grounds amongst Clintons primary voters

Posted by: Vanessa | June 16, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Dear COL. [retd] A.M.Khajawall
Disabled American Veteran
Forensic psychiatrist:
How many websites is this posted on? First directed against Clinton supporters, now against McCain supporters. I appreciate your passion, but your repeated postings are in need of ‘change’. Take a look at John McCain, he’s what this country needs at this point in time.
Speaking for myself, go Maverick!

Posted by: FlaLady | June 16, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

All I can say is McSame is collecting social security. I am sure he has the middleclass in mind as he cashes that social security check WE pay for.!
OBAMA 08′

Posted by: Larry Oregon | June 16, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

Wow did you just hear Obama speak the truth that we all know about the large amount of black fathers that are not taking care of their responsibilities in the black community.He said in a predominately black church that they needed to step up to the plate and be the men they are supposed to be… Now on another note I am sorry that a vast majority of women did not have their way and have a woman running the white house, but for the past 100+ years a woman has been in the white house 9 times out of 10 influencing the president.Hillary was confident she would know what to do because she was in on it ,but didn’t have the title.What is sickening is the women who say they will vote for McCain because they didn’t get what they want.It is unfortunate you feel that way but it is your vote and you do have the right to choose.Remember this though, it is said that McCain does not beleive in a woman’s right to choose as far as abortion is concerned and there is a strong possibility that his administration would appoint individuals that would overturn Roe vs Wade. He also thought it was funny when someone called Hillary a _itch last year.

Posted by: TV | June 16, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

I never thought of that. Is mc-more-war getting a social security check? Someone should ask him that during the first debate. Is his millionaire wife old enough to get a check too?

Posted by: pt | June 16, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Who really beleives that it is “Not too important” when our troops are withdrawn from Iraq.Where is the broad appeal of that.I do not see this ” maverick” that McCain is supposed to be. Many times I see a grumpy, arrogant, cocky, condesceding old man that wants to keep us in conflict.At least Bush looked promising in 2000, but if McCain is this rowdy now just imagine how he will be as president. He will be very hostile beleive me. From a personal and policy standpoint he will be very hostile.So if you vote for him remember he was a fighter pilot.He hasn’t engaged in combat in a while. He is itching to blow something up!America as a whole will pay for it.

Posted by: TV | June 16, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Women need to remember that it was Obama who gave a finger to a woman who just happen to be his opponent. He does not repect women. Period. OBAMA DOES NOT RESPECT WOMEN.

Posted by: Mary | June 16, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am

i wonder how the black men who support obama will felt about what he said in his speech to them?

Posted by: obama girl | June 16, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

Now McCain is pandering to women telling them anything to get their votes. Sorry, we know you don’t have our best interests at heart, you don’t treat us as equals.

Posted by: erin | June 16, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

Mary, don’t be silly. You just don’t like him, plain and simple, and you’re looking for something to accuse him of. Anyone who was watching knows he was scratching his face just like lots of people do. He wasn’t even talking about or referring to Clinton at that particular moment. Sounds like you’re voting for McCain. Good luck. You’ll need it.

Posted by: catonahottinroof | June 16, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Mary I am sorry you feel that way, but if he gave a woman the finger which I don’t beleive he did, those that mean he disrespect all women.Have you ever given anyone the finger and if so does that mean you are disrespectful of everyone in that gender. Please given an honest response to if you have ever given anyone the finger.

Posted by: TV | June 16, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Any woman who is first and foremost an American will vote for McCain over Obama.

Posted by: HoosierSue | June 16, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

Mary…Obama would NEVER do that!!! I want to know where and when you think this happened!!! State where, or stop spreading roomer…He loves his wife, and LOVED his mother and adores this gradnmother, who raised him. He even apologized for calling someone “sweetie” what makes you think he’s flip someone off?

Posted by: womenunited | June 16, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

Williams comments from the 80′s were deplorable….Frankens comments from a decade ago were terrible….they pale when compared to the many sexist comments made during the last primary…

Posted by: Jackie | June 16, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Jake,
Thank you for pointing out both sides on this subject. That is what we need more of in the press.

Posted by: not a den anymore | June 16, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Look at the voting records. McCain has one of the most anti-women voting records in the Senate while Obama’s record on women’s issues is right up there with Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, and Diane Feinstein.
HILLARY:
Abortion Issues:
2007 In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator Clinton a grade of 100.
2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent.
2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100.
2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association 93 percent.
2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent.
2005 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent.
Women’s Issues:
2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent.
2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Business and Professional Women USA 83 percent.
2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Federally Employed Women 90 percent.
2005-2006 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 96.
2005 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent.
2005 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent.
OBAMA:
Abortion Issues:
2007 In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator Obama a grade of 100.
2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent.
2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent.
2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association 100 percent.
2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent.
2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent.
Women’s Issues:
2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 90 percent.
2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Business and Professional Women USA 100 percent.
2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Federally Employed Women 100 percent.
2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 91 percent in 2005-2006.
2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 83 percent.
2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent.
MCCAIN:
Abortion Issues:
2007 In 2007 NARAL Pro-Choice America gave Senator McCain a grade of 0.
2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 0 percent.
2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 0 percent.
2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association 0 percent.
2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 75 percent.
2005 Senator McCain supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 0 percent.
Women’s Issues:
2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 20 percent.
2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Business and Professional Women USA 33 percent.
2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Federally Employed Women 30 percent.
2005-2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 13 percent.
2005 Senator McCain supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 17 percent.
2005 Senator McCain supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 0 percent.

Posted by: Jeff | June 16, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

Hoosier… I feel sorry for you if you think your only choice is McCain. He has no character( see what he did to his first wife), he has a tremendous temper, he wants to continue the war and he wants to abolish our rights, as women, to choose how we use our biodies( Rowe VS Wade). Any women who votes for McCain must be a Barbie Doll like his wife.

Posted by: militarymom | June 16, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

HoosierSue-An illogical statement, to say the least. No thank you. I want to keep women’s rights legal and on the books, I want my kids home from Iraq alive and not in a body bag, and not in 100 years or whatever the h*** McCain was implying, I want health insurance for me and my family that won’t bring me to the brink of bankcrupcy, I want the next Supreme Court nominees to be NOT conservative because pro-choice needs to be kept a right for all women. If, in your “esteemed” opinion, this makes me not an American, so be it. Your opinion doesn’t matter one whit to me.

Posted by: catonahottinroof | June 16, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

I may be wrong, but I don’t think the black men Obama was talking to voted for him. These are the type of men that always has an excuse as to why they are not doing the right thing.These type of men don’t vote, don’t pay child support,rarely ever see their children and usually have alot of children by different women out of wedlock.The black men that voted for Obama in the primaries and who would vote in the general are the men who own up to their responsbilities . Now what would be awesome is if these other black men , not to be confused with the responsible ones, if the irresponsible black ones listen to the man who actually may be president.I would love for them to respond correctly and answer Obama’s call to fatherhood and respectability.What America does not need to do is give these men another excuse. If Barack does not get elected they will say it is no need for a brother to try because America will not let them succeed.Vote Barack and inner city crime from blacks could possibly dramatically go down.Welfare rolls may be eliminated, because if these people are inspired thay may..MAY just take a turn for the better.If you elect Obama there is a possibility it may strike a positive nerve in all African Americans. The good ones and the bad ones.I am hopeful because Barack does invoke hope in his determination to be president.Young black children need another role model that doesn’t have to be a pro athelete or entertainer.Vote Barack and ignite positive change!

Posted by: TV | June 16, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

HoosierSue, it’s not just abortion. It’s the Supreme Court going conservative with McCain. He has already said that he would appoint conservative judges and eventually one will go through. It will change the whole dynamics of the court and this country.

Posted by: erin | June 16, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

HoosierSue is a bit out of touch with reality if he/she thinks abortion is used as a birth control method. Quite a big difference between the two.

Posted by: catonahottinroof | June 16, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Obama Girl: Speaking for myself I admire any man who has the courage to inspire other men to be good fathers. It is a important missing element in the AA community right now. Black men need to know that the issues they face have been around for generations and the perspective of a father figure who has been there and done that is so important. Although society is moving in the right direction the black community has major healing to do. Barak Obama is the best person to lead that charge. I’m proud of Barak I think he truely has what it takes to make all men take stock of things, step up and be real men. America needs that, the American male role model in some repects has been reduced to the Al Bundy, Homer Simpson model (or worse, absentee)…nothing could be further from the truth but this is the perception. Yeah Barak can lead the charge of real men coming back to the front of the American household. Many dismiss his speaches as just words but anybody who as ever been a part of a winning team know it’s all about talking your thoughts and feelings out, to make them real.

Posted by: mims nj | June 16, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

No one in Washington really cares about people they are all in it for thier own rewards and Obama and Mccain are both smart asses it is all the same bs nothing ever changes I’ve been waiting for real change since 68 and IMO it ani’t ever going to happen.

Posted by: Bishop | June 16, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

Give me some legitmate reason why a woman should vote for McCain. How will he advance or support causes that are important to women and give me an example where his voting record helped women in general.

Posted by: TV | June 16, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

In his speech, Sen. Obama said, “Any fool can make a baby.”
Well, maybe he has forgotten his High School Biology course work. Today, especially in this over-populated world filled with starving people, and with all the various methods of contraception we have available, it takes TWO FOOLS to make a baby.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | June 16, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

From Talking Points Memo:
It would seem that this Clinton supporter has a different agenda.
“It looks like John McCain could have another controversial campaign associate on his hands. This time it comes in the form of Paula Abeles, a former Clinton-backer who has now taken a lead in organizing support for McCain among women voters.
One problem, as Ben Smith has discovered: Abeles previously attained notoriety in 2003 as part of her husband’s association of Thomas Jefferson descendants, working hard to keep out any of Sally Hemmings’ African-American descendants. When it was discovered that she’d used a fake Internet identity to undermine the efforts of Jefferson’s alleged black descendants, she said it was necessary to make sure the family reunion was “a calm and civilized gathering.”

Posted by: Thinking | June 16, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Posted by: mims nj | June 16, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Ladies, wasn’t the name of this ariticle so inspiring? BROAD APPEAL! They really don’t get it at all! Yes, McCain is the only choice because our true candidate was railroaded by the press, pundits and the Democratic party. Now the only way to make our voices heard is to vot for McCain and block Obama’s election in November. It never makes a statement unless you do something drastic and that is why we are supporting McCain. The next time a woman candidate runs people will pull their horns even if its for no other reason than they will be concerned about rankling women so it will have been worth it. I can live with four years of John McCain, no problem, to get my message through to the powers that be. We have 160 clubs nationwide and it is growing by leaps and bounds. Obama is sexist and played the race card to get his nomination and they say the Clintons play tricks? Oh, c’mon, give me a break! Now Obama’s wife is getting the business and he is wah, wah, wah about it. Too bad he didn’t take that attitude when he was mistreating Hillary Clinton and when everyone was rolling over her like a bulldozer! Hoever, I still think it’s deplorable treatment of Obama’s wife. The people who picked on HIllary always need someone to aggravate and that is why it’s in everyone’s best interest to nip this kind of behavior in the bud, because you never know when it will come back to bite you yourself. And, don’t hand this nonsense about IRAQ and McCain and kids dying, what has the DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY DONE TO STOP THIS WAR? They have been the biggest bunch of spineless whimps bar none and I am a lifelong Democrat. Also, this story is skewed statiscally. They state that 54% will go Democratic and only 34% will vote Republican. However, we are working on winning over a large percentage of the disgruntled Hillary supporters to not only stay home or do a write in for Hlllary on election day, but to actually cast their vote for John MCCain so those percentages are going to change bigtime. Also, they don’t into account the disgruntled blue collar workers, over 60s group, the very poor, so with percentages from those groups and the hillay women voting for McCain, we will top that 54% easily! I hope that when we are through with him he can’t even get elected to dogcatcher! lolol And, a word to the men, some who are Obama supporters and some who are Republicans, though not all share this mentality, all I have to say to you is, IRON MY DRESS, SHUT UP, BUT FIRST MAKE MY DINNER!!!! LOLOLOLOL Women are being encouraged to stop doing anything except going to their job. Let’s see how long the blowharts will enjoy living that way. Obama began this gender war so I wish him good luck with all of that. He crossed over the line and made his bed now let him sleep. GO MCCAIN!!!!

Posted by: Mary Anne | June 16, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Any woman who is first and foremost an American will vote for McCain over Obama.
Posted by: HoosierSue | Jun 16, 2008 12:00:31 PM
*******
Only if she has had a frontal lobotomy, LOL!

Posted by: jmc663 | June 16, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Obama wnats peace and McCain promises there will be war.Obama wants a tax break for lower income Americans and McCain wants to keep it in play for the wealthy. We have a republican president and McCain is a little bit worse than him.Black, white, young , old who cares. On the issues that count, Obama is talking about bringing the polices that Bill Clinton had.Despite Clinton’s scandals America was in a better position than it is now. We need a democrat this election cycle for president until the republicans get their act together.Obama is the democratic representative.Vote democrat!

Posted by: TV | June 16, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

I’d like to know how you tie together a Father’s Day speech about manning up and rape jokes?
When you think about a political fundraiser and his ability to make unconscionable jokes, does a Chicago church just pop up?
How do those two things relate to each other exactly?

Posted by: Genna | June 16, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

Another astute observation from the empty-suit, although once again he offers no solutions. Well done is better than well said.

Posted by: Mack | June 16, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

mims wrote:
our true candidate was railroaded by the press, pundits and the Democratic party.
********
Don’t forget the 18 million of us who voted for Obama. I think WE had a lot to do with it too!!

Posted by: jmc663 | June 16, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Oh yes, Obama is gaining in every group. That is what they want you to believe so that you think you are not voting for the right person if you cast your vote for John MCCain. Oh yes, Obama is a tremendous example to black men, etc. When he told Hillary clinton, he knew her claws would come out, and he told her that he didn’t whine, and he told her she is like Annie Oakley. Oh yes, what a wonderful example for black men and all men in general to hear a man who wants to President of the largest country in the free world put down women! What a joke! Obama didn’t even have one single woman in his upper echelon of his campaign until afew days ago when he hired a babyboomer woman to try and lure over the HIllary supporters! John MCCain had Karly from the get go! Obama is a hypocirte! I hope his campaign crashes and burns in November! Can’t happen to a nicer guy!! Obama is not our savior, he is just another hokey politican! Get real! Good riddance to bad rubbish I say!

Posted by: mary anne | June 16, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

There are women who look at other issues beyond abortion – economics, national security, taxes, et al -. A vote for McCain may not be in the feminist handbook, but its easy to see why humans in general would find it a good choice.

Posted by: KHD | June 16, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

maryanne,
Blah, blah, blah! Didn’t Hillary say “If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen”?
I’m glad we found out BEFORE she was elected what a “shrinking violet” she was. We certainly don’t need some whiny women in the White House, crying to the press how unfair foreign leaders were to her.
A REAL Leader would have taken the critizism and worn it like a badge of honor.

Posted by: jmc663 | June 16, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

Could we lost the “broad” headline, please? You think it’s funny to use a term like that, on a story about appealing to women? You’re not appealing to me in the slightest.
BUt no, there was no misogony shown Hillary, no indeedy…

Posted by: beth | June 16, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

jmc663:
IRON MY DRESS, SHUT UP, BUT FIRST MAKE MY DINNER!!! LOLOL We intend on not only voting for MCCain but intend on completely stopping all the skillions of things we have to do on a daily basis for our families, and only got to our job every day. In other words, be like men!!!!! lolol I encourage any woman who is receiving flack for taking a stand against Obama to completely stop everything they do for their household except going to work every day. Let’s see who needs brain surgery after that. And, about the 18 million who voted for Obama and thinks that is why he is the nominee, lolol He is the nominee because the Washington gasbags like Kerry, a loser, and Kennedy, another loser in campaigns, picked Obama as their golden child and jammed him down our throats. And, because of the delegates who abandoned Hillary and went with Obama. How do you surmise he is for the little guy when he outspent hillary clinton 5x to 1 when campaining. Where did he get that money? Did he pluck it off of his money tree in the backyard? Take your heads out of the sand for crying out loud. We have the list of delegates who voted for Hillary in every state and also have the list of those who abandoned HIllary Clinton and not only are we working to block Obama’s election but we are working to end their political careers as well. You don’t make a statement unless you do something radical and that is why we are campaigning for McCain and will try to unseat the delegates who went against Hillary Clinton. To think I would have voted for Chris Dodd or John Edwards! They are now on my s list and the s doesn’t stand for short! lolol

Posted by: Mary Anne | June 16, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

The tracking polls have the 2 candidates in a “dead” heat. Yet the Obama campaigns talking points that they have the women and have incorporated Clinton’s supporters continue to appear in headlines.
The headlines show Obama favorable 80% of the time and McCain favorable only about 45% of the time.
A vote for Obama is a vote for media manipulation.
If Clinton supporters are pro McCain at the rates that their on-line petitions and exit polls indicate….this is a voting block of 4.5 million voters. The efforts of the media to ignore that and the Obama campaign to deny it is sad,, but predictable.

Posted by: Jackie | June 16, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Mary Anne you said,
I can live with four years of John McCain, no problem, to get my message through to the powers that be.
____________________________________
McCain will keep and send us into new wars. He is a diehard solider that loves combat.Iran is his new target.We will stay in Iraq and go after Iran if he is president. If you have children ( male children ) they will be drafted. Our enemies will attack us again on our soil because they know McCain wants to fight so they will hit us as soon as McCain is elected to stop his aggression.____________________________
Mary Anne you said,
I can live with four years of John McCain, no problem, to get my message through to the powers that be.
______________________________________
I hope you don’t live in D.C. or New York or Norfolk, VA or any terrorist target cities because if McCain is elected those sleeper cells that are planted here in America will hit us where they always planned and many innocent Americans will die again.A vote for McCain is a vote to get innocent americans killed….including you.Wake up woman.

Posted by: TV | June 16, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

“Broad Appeal”
I didn’t take it like that but now that a couple of posters have pointed it out, they may have a point. Although I don’t think it was intentional.

Posted by: Thinking | June 16, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

Vote Barack and ignite positive change!
Posted by: TV
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Ignite? As one would ignite a fire, or ignite the fuse of a stick of dynamite?
You aren’t trying to tell us something, are you?
Incidently, is the moving of the DNC “Political Section” from Washington, where it has been for years, to Chicago, where is will be merged into the Obama campaign, an example of POSTIVE CHANGE”? To me, it seems more like somethng one would have seen in pre-WWII Germany, as the Nazis were consolidating their power. I’m not trying to draw a strict analogy, but I just have a very creepy feeling about what is going on.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | June 16, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Yes, what about the HUGE block of hillary supporters who will be voting for John MCCain. Another instance of the press skewing the data for their man Obama. YOu can print all the lies you want. We are voting McCain and will crush Obama in the election in November!

Posted by: Mary Anne | June 16, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Yes, what about the HUGE block of hillary supporters who will be voting for John MCCain.
*************************************
What huge Block?

Posted by: Thinking | June 16, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

TV you said that Obama will bring change. You mean, like the change in how he degraded Hillary clinton and degraded ALL women in the process! You say that Obama will end wars, what has his democratic majority done in Washington for over a year? The war is stillgoing on. You say that he is going to change things and cares about people. I don’t see him down in Illinois or Iowa, two states that voted for him, helping those people out. Expect more of the same when he is President. Go McCain! You will all be sorry that you degraded women and allowed Obama to degrade women like he did! Go McCain!!

Posted by: Mary Anne | June 16, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

Blah, blah, blah! Didn’t Hillary say “If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen”?
[snip]
Posted by: jmc663
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No, Hillary didn’t say, “If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen”. That statement was made by President Harry Truman.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | June 16, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

The Hillary supporters on this blog assume “every” Hillary primary supporter will vote McCain. That’s not the case.
I know Hillary supporters voting Obama in the GE. My mother and aunts for four.
I have no doubt there will be several Clinton supporters voting McCain come November, the same as defected Republicans and Independents voting Obama.
At the end of the day… Obama will be president and you Democrat posers will have to deal with this.

Posted by: Vanessa | June 16, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

Mary Anne where did you come from? Why do you hate Obama so much ? What has he personally done to you besides beat your chosen candidate.Hillary lost! get over it. She realized and so should you. If America really wanted her she would have won in a landslide victory.She had everthing going for, but America wasn’t buying it. Another woman will emerge and we will have one in the white house one day.I will vote for her if she carries enogh of my values. I have voted and got a woman elected before in a local election.I just really beleive you need to vote for McCain because you support his issues.Okay if the media like Obama. So what.Hillary had name recognition and a popular president to back her.She had Bill Clinton’s presidency to plead her case. Where is the fairness in that? Both of them had help and I just beleived the media was shocked and pleased that this country with its hate past would actually support a man of color. It was a ride in the beginning.Hillary realized this at times even though she wanted the coronation.It was a shock.But you really need to look at the fact that Barack represents Hillary’s policies in a black male body.If you wanted Hillary and now support McCain you are truly eluding to the possibilty that you don’t want him because he is black. You may deny it but its more true than not.

Posted by: TV | June 16, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

Ladies and Gents, JMC663 is from another blog in Ohio, and the blog is so pro Obama that he blocked me from being able to voice my opinions on it. Obama and his group are going to learn that they can’t squelch this and that we will find a venue to air our thoughts and feelings about this situation. Good try JMC but we won’t go away! But, keep trying. lolol Lord knows, we are going to keep trying and trying and trying…

Posted by: Mary Anne | June 16, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

Yeah Vanessa, that is why the obama people are out there saying he will win without Ohio and Florida. They are lost causes.

Posted by: geevill | June 16, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

Mary Anne,
In no way did Obama degrade women. It is complete ignorance of the meaning of the word to spill such uninformed reactionism to Hillary’s loss. They ran their campaign she lost and now he will probably be POTUS. So search for a little maturity and quit pitching a fit.

Posted by: Reality | June 16, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Mary Anne is a republican. No Clinton supporter is that bitter.

Posted by: Vanessa | June 16, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

Yeah Vanessa, that is why the obama people are out there saying he will win without Ohio and Florida. They are lost causes.
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LOL he didn’t say they would win with out them they are saying they could win without them. Obama currently leads in OH but trails in FL.

Posted by: Thinking | June 16, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

TV, I don’t hate Obama. I never said I hated Obama. I never called him any names, you know like the ones you called Hillary, monster, etc? I don’t hate him. I just think he is mostly hype. He is inexperienced and was pushed down our throats by the men in the Democratic party. They would rather take an inexperienced person instead of taking a person who is seasoned and knows the score. This is the biggest think I resent. And, all I can say, is here we go. Now Obama’s flunkie pull out the old race card. ALL of Hillary supporters would have give our vote gladly to Barrack Obama, UNTIL, he began the gender bashing. He was a self-fulfilling prophecy and has no one to blame but himself. And, I actually lost jobs in my past sticking up for gays, for minorities, etc. so please peddle that racist nonsense someplace else. I feel that the black community abandoned Hillary Clinton after she had given 40 years of service onthe front lines for them. I will never stand by and allow anyone to be treated unfairly for any reason. If you really believe that too, you would be fighting like the dickens for HIllary Clinton. Obviously you only feel that way when it affects your candidate. I am voting for John McCain. I am voting for John McCain so that the Democratic party and this country sees that women will rally and not only not vote for the democratic candidate, we will vote for the opposite party. And, we know the consequences of our actions and are happy to live with it. The problem is, all of you had a long run of HIllary bashing that went unchecked and YOU didn’t realize there were going to be consequences for those actions. Grow up and take your medicine. We are taking ours about John MCCain. Now, you take yours and stop whining about it. Gosh.

Posted by: Mary Anne | June 16, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

Nope, I am a lifelong Democrat, so think again. I am not bitter. I am being proactive because my agenda which is equal rights for women was violated by my very own party. The party who had my vote in their hip pocket for decades turned on me, a women, and allowed this travesty to occur to Hillary Clinton. You are right! I am determined and I will not stop until Obama is beaten in November. Call me unrealistic or anything you wish. But, the gender card trumps the candidate for me. Once that happens, I’m done. And, that is just the way it is. And, I don’t care if anyone is offended by it or thinks I’m wrong. I think all of Obama’s supporters are way off base but at lease I can admire their convictions. And, my convictions shouls also be considered admirable.

Posted by: Mary Anne | June 16, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

This blog isn’t about Obama, Hillary, or McCain; it is about some person with a user name of Mary Anne.
It is absurd, and ridiculous

Posted by: Thinking | June 16, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

Posted by: Yavo Lem | June 16, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

HILLARY SUPPORTERS are that upset! This is what all of you are just not getting. I don’t understand why you are not getting it. Perhaps because in the past the women just fell in line and voted for the Dem even if they were not happy with them and all of you want that mindset to continue. Blame your buddies Obama, Axelrod who swiftboated the Clintons onthe race card nonsense, people like Olbermann and Chris Matthews and I can go on and on listing them. You act like we just woke up one day and decided to be against Obama. We had months of assaults against Hillary Clinton that we had to endure and not one person stepped up and said, “Let’s keep this campaign about the issues and stop attacking Hillary.” No one said that, no one. If you think Obama is a shoe-in, shink again. Check out the Hillary Supporters Count too all over, especially in Ohio, and if you think he is leading or winning Ohio, you are really in fantasyland. Ohio has been the birth of our movement. We have over 200 clubs nationwide and it is growing by leaps and bounds every single day! Sorry folks, we’re here to stay. It’s just a ashame we weren’t mobilize like this earlier in this campaign because we not have Obama being the nominee, it would be Hillary. But, there is always the future and we WILL constantly be there!

Posted by: Mary Anne | June 16, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

This electrion becomes very unpredictable and no one knows when and where how many potential political bombs will blow and who will get hurt..
If the focus continues on race, religion, gender, patriotism, Dems’ party won’t ever be united because of Obama’s controversy… However, how many people can forget all Obams’s controversies and how many people still try to defend his controversy and continue keeping his controversies alive?? Obama has not shown more effort on uniting his party nor his supporters… They made assumption the Dems has been united but is it true??

Posted by: True Truth | June 16, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

The black community owes Hillary nothing. The black community helped put them in office.I never trusted Hillary and obviously alot of America felt the same way. Actual voters voted in these elections and if that Wright controvery hadn’t surfaced Obama would have seized the nomination a long time ago.Hillary is not bigger than our party or the presidency.Nor was she entitled.You voting for McCain shows you think that she is.The only way I would support your decision was if Obama cheated like I feared Hillary would.He won. Get Over It!

Posted by: TV | June 16, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

Carly Fiorina isn’t a role model for anyone. She’s a failure as a businesswoman and pretty much despised by everyone who’s ever worked with her. Her six-year tenure at the helm of HP is a tale of disastrously bad management, total lack of business acumen, and abject disregard for employee welfare. She’s basically the tech sector’s equivalent of George Bush, and had to be publicly ousted from the company for being an unrepentant and ongoing disaster. It’s not surprising that she’s part of the McCain campaign. She burned every bridge she had and was left with no real future in the business sector.

Posted by: Justin | June 16, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

No one is going to vote for McCain. Even Republicans don’t like that guy!

Posted by: Pete | June 16, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

Yavo Lem wrote:
But there will be a showdown in Denver.
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Really??? Hillary Clinton is willing to commit political suicide? Interesting. I really hope she steals the Nomination from the rightful winner. I will LOVE seeing what the Repubs would do to her. They have been drooling for years at the thought of running against Hillary. The Repub base isn’t fired up about McCain. But the one thing that will get them out in force is the hatred of the Clintons.

Posted by: jmc663 | June 16, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

from ABC:
In a stern Father’s Day address, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told an African-American congregation today that too many fathers — including his own — have failed their children.
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Just wonder what church Senator Obama is associated with now or he is still a lost “lamb”….
Why did he continue to focus on AA community from AA church? He is running for president of united states of America not president of African America?
He should join a church with a more diversified races with broad background..

Posted by: True Truth | June 16, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

Why would Obama have to convince people he could win without Ohio and Florida? That’s an easy one. Better not start laying out that basketball court just yet.

Posted by: geevill | June 16, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

The Manchurian Candidate – google it. Be afraid of McCain – what happened for those five years he was a POW?
We don’t know enough about McCain. He takes both sides of every issue. What does he stand for?!?!?

Posted by: Dave | June 16, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Posted by jmc663
I really hope you succeed in voting in McCain. Many of us Obama supporters are UPPER Middle Income. WE have faired quite well under the Shrub. Have you?
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This is the same typical “out of touch” comment as Obama! Obama only attracted 55% of upper income voters and 65% of younger voters under 30!! The rest voted against him. Hope you belong to one of 55% not 65%…….

Posted by: True Truth | June 16, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

Obama says he will raise taxes on the rich and lower them on the POOR. Hogwash. Every politician is filthy rich and always written tax laws to allow loop holes for them to pay no taxes or very little if any at all.
If they talk a flat tax then i will believe it.

Posted by: Christopher | June 16, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

Yavo,
In the speech you claim that Obama gave Clinton the “middle finger”, he scratched his cheek 5 times, 2 times with the index finger, 2 times with the pinkie finger and once with the middle finger. So what were the “messages” he was trying to send the other 4 times?

Posted by: Get Over It Already | June 16, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

“Be afraid of McCain – what happened for those five years he was a POW?”
And how about those 20 years that Obama sat in the pews of that racist church and didn’t lift a finger to stop the mis-information that his mentor was spewing.

Posted by: Mack | June 16, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

“So…does that mean the Obama campaign won’t have anything to do with former comedy writer Al Franken, the Democratic Senate nominee in Minnesota, who is currently under fire for a rape joke he made in 1995?”
Touche jpt… tres touche… looks like you are doing some homework. Still a little too late for my liking.

Posted by: CTJD | June 16, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

yavo wrote:
Diversions, to distract from the main message, and to create “plausible deniability”.
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LOL!! But sad that you beleive this to be true. The Democratic Party has always been a weird little party that comes up with the strangest conspiracy theories I have ever seen. No wonder you guys always seem to lose. You do it to yourselves. You guys couldn’t unify conjoined twins, LOL!
It will be fun watching you all implode.

Posted by: Get Over It Already | June 16, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

I wouldn’t worry about a contrived vote total. The problem and it is a BIG problem is the contrived delegate system which does not reflect the electoral system

Posted by: geevill | June 16, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

I like what Hillary has done to her site. Took that nonsense of backing Obama off of there and put a book of campaign pics instead.She should leave that book on there.
Btw whomever said that no Clinton supporter is that bitter, THINK AGAIN!I know quite a few that are.

Posted by: J | June 16, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

Big Daddy has a PROBLEM with women — and women have a problem with HIM.
Posted by: Mama Knows Better | Jun 16, 2008 3:28:46 PM
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And all the women who attend his rallies are there because they thought it was a shoe store??
Nice try. Some women have a problem with Obama. MOST women have a problem with McCain.

Posted by: Get Over It Already | June 16, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

“And all the women who attend his rallies are there because they thought it was a shoe store??”
Let’s see … which OTHER political phenomenon in western political history was based on mass rallies?

Posted by: Mama Knows Better | June 16, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

“Check out the latest AOL Straw Poll of 6/13 – 6/20/08 – it shows McCain with a 55% lead. Surprising because most AOL account holders used to appear as liberals.”
Makes sense. AOL is largely still used only by the technologically unsavvy and less informed. Those folks tend to be older and more conservative, because they have less of a need to master new technology. It’s not as important to them as younger folk, who tend to be more liberal and more technologically savvy.
You will find that people who are conservative in their views are also conservative when it comes to technology (more comfortable with older things like AOL and Microsoft than newer-feeling things like Google, Apple, and Facebook).

Posted by: Brian | June 16, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

Paulie Abeles, the woman who organized McCain’s virtual town hall, has a very unsettling personal history:
To summarize, Mrs Abeles was involved in Thomas Jefferson’s family reunion at Monticello; she was actively trying to prevent attendance by the black descendants of Jefferson and Sally Hemmings. She even spent eight months spying on a Yahoo! message board for Hemmings descendants by posing as a 67-year old black woman. That’s some seriously paranoid racism and elitism all rolled into one.
Honestly, where does McCain find these people? I mean, every day you hear about some new terrible person intimately involved in McCain’s campaign. Is this going to be going on for the next five months?

Posted by: Justin | June 16, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

TV:
You are right. The black community owes the Clintons nothing. And, neither do so many women like myself, who stuck their neck out countless time to defend a black co-worker from unfair treatment in the workplace risking the loss of their own job, so the alliance is over with all of you. I’m done and I know a lot of people who feel the very same way I do.Unless someone is getting physically hurt, I will not step in and get involved any longer. I don’t need to have someone forced down my throat because his race runs to the polls to vote for him or because the highly educated young think he is their guy. I can make up my own mind. The polls are at a dead heat for a reason. It can be anyone’s race and I am doing everything I can to be sure it is McCain who is elected and not Obama. Obama blew it when he began the gender bashing. Up until that point, we all would have voted for him, no problem. He is the one who blew it. Did you really think that his behavior would not have consequenses with women across the country? How much baloney do you think you can keep throwing at women before we stand up and say it is enough? So, blame yourselves for this situation and not the woman. We are entitled to be upset because the entire time the campaign was going on Hillary was constantly getting bashed by everyone. For being such a bright guy your candidate certainly didn’t use his intelligence in dealing with the fact Hillary was a women very effectively at all. And, McCain has women in his campaign, Obama only has one, the one he appointed two days ago to try and lure over the baby boomer women whom he know he needs to beat McCain. Women were stupid for not uniting after the first gender based insult was hurled at Hillary. WE WILL NOT MAKE THAT MISTAKE EVER AGAIN!
Catonahittinroof: Neither does Obama, he told hillary he knew her claws would come out, he called her Annie Oakley and he told her that she was whining about negative campaign fliers. Oh yes, he really sounds like he is pro-women! What a joke!
McCain may not support women’s causes but the Dems will learn not to allow such abusive treatment of a candidate every again after all the backlashing that has gone on since Hillary dropped out of the race. The goal is worth the suffering. I think they’ll get that message loud and clear when McCain is elected President in November.
Erin: McCain is getting my vote simply for the fact that the Dems allowed this joke of a primary season to go on in such an abusive manner towards Hillary Clinton. Perhaps next time they’ll see we will suffer anything rather than have OUR VERY OWN PARTY mistreat us like they did this year.
I know a lot of women who are going to be voting for MCcain and not for Obama. What’s the matter Obama supporters? It’s upsetting for you that you can cram your candidate down everyone’s throat in the generel election like the Dem party was able to do in the primary, isn’t it? Too bad!
The huge block of Hillary supoorters I am referring to are the baby boomers who are so enraged with the sexist behavior of Obama during this primary season. At least 17% are voting for MCCain and that doesn’t factor in the over 60s, the blue collars and the very poor who wanted Hillary to be elected. I think it is enough of a comination to change the election into a losing election for Mr. Obama.

Posted by: Mary Anne | June 16, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

It’s apples and oranges as far as Franken and Williams go. Franken hadn’t begun his involvement in politics when he came up with the parody of Rooney and Stahl for SNL. The republican ladies must have read long and dug deep to find that skit from ’95. In contrast, Williams was a highly visible candidate running for governor when he made his comment about rape in the midst of a large press conference.

Posted by: kat | June 16, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

Al Fraken’s support is the last thing ANY candidate needs. He does not make Dems look good. If anything, he represents all the fears of “Liberals” in the eyes of those who are in the center or to the right. What am I saying? I am to the left of EVERYTHING and I can’t stand it when AF opens his gutter mouth.

Posted by: irma | June 16, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm

Well it’s nice that McCain wants to kiss up to us. Sandra Day O’Conner is a good one and she was appointed by Ronald Reagan. Hmmm; looking to the Republicans for the advancement of Women in government roles. Hmmmmm. No, can’t do it…I want the DEMOCRATS TO BE FIRST WITH A FEMALE PRESIDENT, OR VP damn it! Hillary, Hillary, Hillary!

Posted by: irma | June 16, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm

Posted by: HP Boston | June 17, 2008, 7:41 am 7:41 am

You will find that people who are conservative in their views are also conservative when it comes to technology (more comfortable with older things like AOL and Microsoft than newer-feeling things like Google, Apple, and Facebook).
Posted by: Brian | Jun 16, 2008 4:47:18 PM
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AND they ALL VOTE!!
Posted by: HP Boston | Jun 17, 2008 7:41:02 AM
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Somebody should school McCain! He said he was “not familiar with PC’s or Macs.” I guess no one on his staff knows about Google either or maybe McCain would have thought twice about taking campaign contributions from Clayton Williams

Posted by: rhbate | June 17, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

I meant to say that the Dems did NOT refrain from abandoning Hillary Clinton and they did NOT refrain from stabbing her in the back, over and over and over again. Go McCain! And, it was wonderful seeing Al Gore declare himself for Obama. He just helped tilt a few more million women over to voting for McCain who previously was going to do a write in for Hillary on election day or just stay home. WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR FEE HELP! THANKS SO MUCH!! You should see the amount of women calling me today stating they are going to cast their vote for MCCain because Al Gore abandoning Hillary Clinton was the last straw! You go Al! Thanks so much!!!

Posted by: Mary Anne | June 17, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

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