Clinton-Backing Congressman Says Clinton Camp Pushed Racist Strategy
Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and Barack Obama, D-NY, met last night at the home of Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. — who is a big supporter, it should be noted, of a joint ticket.
A joint statement came from Obama spox Bill Burton and Clinton spox Jay Carson saying: “Senator Clinton and Senator Obama met tonight and had a productive discussion about the important work that needs to be done to succeed in November.”
But threatening to steal some thunder from the rapprochement comes Rep. Rob Andrews, D-NJ — fresh from his primary loss to Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-NJ — who tells the Newark Star-Ledger that it may be tough for the party to unify behind Obama since the Clinton camp "has engaged in some very divisive tactics and rhetoric it should not have."
Before the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, Andrews says, a "high-ranking person" in the Clinton campaign "pushed a strategy of winning by exploiting tensions between Jews and African-Americans.
"There have been signals coming out of the Clinton campaign that have racial overtones that indeed disturb me," Andrews said. "Frankly, I had a private conversation with a high-ranking person in the campaign … that used a racial line of argument that I found very disconcerting. It was extremely disconcerting given the rank of this person. It was very disturbing."
The Clinton campaign’s response, from spox Phil Singer: "Comments like these, coming so soon after Congressman Andrews’ crushing defeat, are sad and divisive."
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The truth hurts when comes out. We’ve known all the time that the clinton campaign would do and say anything to get elected. Now suprise here!
It’s sad that all her supporters are now realizing that is was all about her and not really them. Told ya-so!
Posted by: 08demo | June 6, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
There’ll be a LOT of dirty laundry coming out of the Clinton campaign, for the simple reason that she ran a dirty campaign. Not against the GOP or McCain, but against her fellow Democrat Obama.
Amazing that some of her supporters think Hillary might run again for President in the future. NO high ranking Democrat will ever support a Clinton campaign again. The party totally has had it with these Me, Myself and I Clintons.
And yes, even today we learn from the blog at Hillary’s site that many of her supporters appear to be nostalgic of Jim Crow. Shocking and disgusting. Let them go Republican, PLEASE.
Posted by: hank | June 6, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Who’s going to deny it? Bill’s posse (and Bill himself) was especially adept at stirring up race issues.
Posted by: matt | June 6, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
If you observed properly this kind of strategy was really played. Obama still won anyways.
Posted by: nohill | June 6, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
This is ridiculous. Obama is the presumed nominee, through stealth and with the assistance of the Rules Comm., and yet he and his surrogates are still complaining about Clinton. You cannot say “black” without being called racist and now you cannot say”Jew” without being considered divisive.
I am sooooo sick of Obama. He reaps what he sowed. If anyone is racist and anti-Semitic it is he, through 20 years of attending his church and affiliations with known anti-Semites.
Now Rob Andrews has an axe to grind and wants to blame Clinton for his loss. Pitiful.
Posted by: countallthevotes | June 6, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Thats one strong charge.
Its like the VF article.
Smears without any proof.
Posted by: Joan | June 6, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
This isn’t news. We all saw it and heard it. It was a deliberate strategy. Remember when she coyly “thought” Obama was a Christian, as far as she knew. Then she had the hardworking American – white American support. It’s the reason Clinton lost the black vote. She had them completely up to South Carolina, very few African Americans supported Obama at that time. Her criminally insane campaign strategy drove them away, and is directly responsible for the deep division in the Democratic party now.
Posted by: Sara876 | June 6, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
It was aways very clear that they were doing this.
Posted by: Jenny | June 6, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
AP reports that Clinton will report about $30 million in debt, $11 million of it to herself, and that she’ll seek Obama’s help in clearing it.
A debt of 30 MILLION….
And this woman wanted to run our economy!?!
She asks Obama to pay for it…
Posted by: maria | June 6, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
why print a high ranking person said with out naming that person!! Keep going Clinton haters.
Posted by: larry ward | June 6, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Matt you are right Bill was the chief offender from January, but then Hillary also managed to say some pretty amazingly awful things herself.
Posted by: Pat | June 6, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Larry, There is no need to print a name. We all watched the campaign. This description is quite accurate of what I saw.
Posted by: Jon | June 6, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
This is not only absurd, its one of the reasons the Dems will lose in Nov.
There is nothing except the arbitrary alotment of Obama delegates in Michigan more division than these baseless accusations against the Clinton’s who have worked tirelesly for 35 years against racism.
It’s juvenile. Anyone who has been in a highschool classroom has heard the same kind of accusations from young people, particularly males who just don’t understand they aren’t performing at the same level as their peers or what is expected. Oh no it’s racism.
Yeah we are all racist. It’s tedious and there is no reason to support people who put forward this kind of garbage.
This is the attempt by the Obama campagin to get the white Liberal guilt vote.
Sorry you’ve already exausted that cesspool. Now you are just turning people away from the Democratic Party.
Posted by: s.b. | June 6, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
She don’t have to beg for a job from Obama. Obama will not be the president.
Obama will be asking somebody fo a job.
Obama campaign did some dirty racial comments and put it on the Clintons. You better wake up because he will not be the the president. WE 18 or so mollians of women will not vote for him.
There is no coming back to his side. He can’t win without us.
Posted by: ccooper | June 6, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
If it can be proven the Clinton campaign should be persecuted.
Posted by: Freda | June 6, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
LeeLee07,
Before the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, Andrews says, a “high-ranking person” in the Clinton campaign “pushed a strategy of winning by exploiting tensions between Jews and African-Americans.
Did I not just mention this in another blog this morning? See, I’ve told you. Watch, more will be coming out. I am just surprised this came out so quickly.
Read the full article this page.
Posted by: PittBull61 | June 6, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
America swings hard right then hard left. The center in American politics has evaporated for now. This happens (see the 1920s and 30s) and economics plus an unpopular war exacerbate it.
The Race Thing: get past that. All you are doing is making your children’s lives more painful. If you keep pounding on this issue to assign blame, you will discover more unpleasant things about yourselves. My guess is there are still video tapes and other bits of information awaiting the light of day. Steel yourselves for it because the Democrats are historically THE party of race, not otherwise as the young here may think. No one is beyond the isms. We learn to be civil and to love our kids more than we fear each other. Get with the program on this issue.
Hillary: today she is the most powerful woman in America and she earned that. If she and Obama work out their differences, the Democrats have a chance in November. If they don’t, they don’t.
As I said, I’m going independent not because of the results of the nomination but because of the process. The DNC has no center and life inside a bell clapper is very noisy.
Posted by: len | June 6, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
The Obama campaign and supporters have always used the race card since he started politics. One only has to know about his bragging about his Black father and first AA on the Harvard Review or the fact they were winning states because of the high black population. Most Americans know that Obama sat is a racist, hate mongering church for 20 years. Obama people need to stop bashing the Clintons about Obama’s shortcomings. They are the ones that have divided this country. Yesterday was another chapter of race baiting when Obama accepted a stick from the AA. Obama is a disgusting politician. He has absolutely nothing as an elected senator to help America families. He won this election by cheating with big bucks and race baiting.
Posted by: Mary | June 6, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
len, if you think Obama is ‘hard left’ you’d better read his books and his policy proposals. There’s much more pragmatism in Obama than in the Clintons’ classic leftist ideology. The difference in their health care plans may serve as an illustration. So is his praise for some of Reagan’s accomplishments.
Posted by: hank | June 6, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
spox Phil Singer…seriously, is that the best you can do?
It reminds me of the attacking Scott McClelland without getting to the substance of the original charge. Was it an intentional use of racial code language to make Obama untenable? If it was, there should be far reaching consequences for using a divisive strategy. If it was not, we should deal with the unintentional consequences.
I choose not to give Hillary or her people a pass on it. I want to be consistent on Democrats and Republicans. If Republicans use divisive racial code to push their agenda and I reject them out of hand for it, then I should do the same thing for a Democratic who chooses to do it for the same reasons.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign did the wrong thing.
Posted by: Genna | June 6, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
I have read them, Hank. He is far far left of where the center has been and I disagree with your assessment of his pragmatism, but it is the DNC that I am referring to. He will try to move center but even that is treacherous for him.
Obama has problems going forward particularly in his near and close supporter base. He has used forces that don’t won’t go back into the bottle ‘agreeably’. Michelle is not an asset on the public stage regardless of their personal relationship. Then there is Hillary. If she is the VP, she becomes a de facto “First Lady” as well in the public eye. It will take some sharp public relations campaigning to change the perception and maintain it and they’ll have to do it for the entire four years. Michelle is NOT Jackie regardless of the degree.
That is one reason Hillary should, IMHO, make a deal for the debt, help the campaign, and go back to the Senate. It’s bad juju to be on the magic bus when the high wears off. Grumpy disillusioned people are mean.
Posted by: len | June 6, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
jgaw…where have you been for the last year? Almost every news release about Obama, involving race, was released by the HRC campaign including, Rev Wright, Farrahkan, Ayers, the turban on the head photo…get real buddy, it was a fight to the finish and she was using the BIG guns.
Posted by: newera | June 6, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Hillary has made a BIG mess of everything. She refuses to concede, which makes her look like a weak woman who needs time to get over thius tragedy in her life. Give me a Break!! she is holding out for a miracle…that will never come. Plus I agree, I don’t think the DNC will want her to run again after the way she has conducted herself.
Posted by: truthtell | June 6, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
truetell,
gotta go,
but who cares what the dnc want. they have made it plain they do not want the clintons, the clintons should go indie
Posted by: jgaw | June 6, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
the greatest trick anyone ever pulled was Clinton getting her supporters to believe her loss was NOT about issues, personal conduct, or ironically, electability. They believe it was ALL down to sexism. This is your female champion? You Clinton supporters have been hoodwinked, bamboozled and led astray by a charlatan no better than PT barmun. A sucker is born every minute. It was never about you supporters, only ever about her
Posted by: doug | June 6, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
jgaw…AGAIN…the Clinton made their own bed. They wanted it both ways…I guess they thought they werew above any kind of rules. ” Do it my way, or the highway.” They are a part of the DNC and if they were so unhappy, they needed to take their supposed “strength” and change things.
Instead they are on “the highway”.
Posted by: newera | June 6, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
doug…RIGHT ON….wake up guys…
Posted by: thoughtfull | June 6, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
newera,
why do you want sen. clinton to campaign for obama?
michelle obama said she would not campaign for sen. clinton.
for all of you people who call sen. clinton all the vile things you can think of-why should she campaign for him?
Posted by: jgaw | June 6, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Blackman. I am with you and I am a white 31 year old female that has been for Obama from day 1. It is sad how many white people are not going to vote for him just because of his color. And! They seem to forget that he IS half white. There is no cure for stupid.
Posted by: marie | June 6, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
jgaw…no one is telling her to do anything. She maid a promise during the campaign. I haven’t seen anyone on this blog saying anything vile about HRC.I see a LOT of vile stuff about Obama though. As far as Michele goes, she is a wife and mother. She isn’t running for office. She defends her husband and has a right to do that. Lady Bird Johnson and Jackie Kennedy had VERY little love of each other, but they were both adult enough to make it work.
Posted by: newera | June 6, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
In the end Clinton will campaign for Obama. Whether or not she goes all-out for him is irrelevant. She will be thinking of her legacy, a la Bush, and do the safe political thing, like voting for Iraq, and go campaign for Obama. Whether or not she thinks he can win is irrelevent at this point. Now we will see if Hillary is all abouyt the party or the person. There is an adage in sports, great players play for the name on the front the jersey (dems) not the name on the back (clinton)
Posted by: doug | June 6, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Why is it that having a high school diploma means you’re uneducated as far as the media is concerned?
Scary thing is that a college degree from many institutions won’t even compare with a high school diploma from various states.
Look around; there are ‘educated morons’ and ‘uneducated genius’ that we all know about.
I just find it offensive that the media is allowed to propagate stereotypes like “uneducated white males” and not be called out on the carpet all because certain outlets wish to tout Obama over one candidate than another.
Posted by: Confused | June 6, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
The reason they’re still talking about the Clintons is that the press, and all of the press, still can’t let go of the fact that their media darling Hillary lost. She can’t even admit that to herself. The more press coverage that Hillary gets on the VP nomination, the more Obama is minimized in this campaign. She and Bill just need to slip back into the landscape and accept defeat. And congratulate Obama for goodness sake!
Posted by: conspiracy | June 6, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Oh, It’s true. Everyone with functioning neurons knew what the Clinton’s were doing. Rob Andrews only confirms the obvious.
Take a look at the pro-Hillary websites and the comments on her official page. I’ve never seen so many Fox News watching Democrats in one place.
I hope Senator Clinton is proud of her campaign. I only pray she is voted out of office, unlikely, but possible.
So, there ya go Senator Clinton. You didn’t get my vote to serve as a psudo-prayer. You get my real prayer. My real hopes. My real dreams that your political career is over. You, Senator Clinton, pollute the social environment and represent everything that is wrong with this country and our politics.
Posted by: Deborah | June 6, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
The opinion before the primary ended was that how the loser bows out would make or break the election in November. We can see that the prognosis was correct. Hillary’s attitude from this moment forward can make or break Obama. She has the whole world in her hands. Let’s see if she really has the right stuff and will start stumping for Obama. I did feel that that her campaign had gotten a little too dirty and divisive but that can be corrected. It is up to Hillary to bring the party together. I hope, despite the fact she believes in her heart she would have been the better president, that she can overcome the hurt of losing such a close primary and do the right thing.
Posted by: Madeleine | June 6, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Maria, your naivety, and ignorance is astounding.Obama chose to join a black liberation church and remain there for 20 years. He subjected his daughters to the vile racially polarizing rants spewed by the same Pastor who baptized them. Stop playing the race card Marie. That card expired 40 years ago. You are an absolute MSNBC brainwashed disgrace. Do some simple investigation, and you may se the light before it’s too late.
Posted by: joseph1 | June 6, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
Clinton should not even consider being VP or take any other spot to Obama’s ticket unless she wants to be on a losing ticket. If I were Clinton I would not campaign for Obama since if she had won the nomination Michelle said she would not campaign for Clinton. I do not think Bill Clinton will campaign for Obama anyway they do not get along. The Democrats only want to use Clinton to get what they need from her. They have treated her like dirt since Iowa and they wanted Obama to win all along. But now the Blacks especially will suck up to Bill and Hillary both to try and get them to help Obama get in office.
Posted by: s4bo | June 6, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Hillary’s attitude from this moment forward can make or break Obama. She has the whole world in her hands. Let’s see if she really has the right stuff and will start stumping for Obama.
Posted by: Madeleine | Jun 6, 2008 10:41:46 AM
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Oh Lord… So should Obama lose in November, as predicted by many, it will be her fault?!?!
And I’m sure she’s would stump for him, though I wish she would NOT!
Perhaps John Edwards should do the stumping.. Or perhaps Obama should do the whole campaigning on his own!
Posted by: DMK | June 6, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Obama supporters just won’t stop. This story is just more lies planted by the Obama camp trying to blame Hillary for all of his deception and talk against Jews. One thing that Obama is good at- the blame game. This man is not about change. He is all about money and the support of the rich media monguls. No way he should be president…even if he is a Democrat and we are sick of the Republicans. Sensible Democrats will write in Hillary in November and let Obama, Michelle and their hatefull supporters keep blaming America for not being educated and racist. Oh please!!!
Posted by: sanedemocrat | June 6, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
HANNAH…Libermann is taking all the “perk” as a Dem and is supporting McCain…he shoulkd resign as a Dem and Join the McShame crew…he fits right in…a war mongering traitor…
Posted by: truthtell | June 6, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Who cares.
Time for Obama and Hillary to unify.
Posted by: Dan | June 6, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
same…WAKE UP…the media atarted all this and is perpetuating it, and laughing while you make a fool of yourself….
Posted by: newvoter | June 6, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Hillary should NOT even make the long list let alone the short list for VP. During this seemingly never-ending primary season it became obvious to me that the main vocal supporters of Hillary were the Republicans. Limbaugh went out of his way to encourage Republican voters in states where voters could cross party lines to vote for Hillary. Karl Rove has several times spoken out his encouragement to Hillary by stating that she would have the better chance at beating McCain in the Red States. And we should not forget the non-politician that is visible on TV every morning, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, who has not missed an opportunity to slam Obama while saying positive things about Hillary. Now I ask you – why would the Republicans be so interested in getting Hillary as the Democratic candidate? I seriously doubt that their support was based on good sportsmanship. That they wanted to insure that both parties put forth their BEST candidate so that it would be a challenging campaign? That they wanted to support the Democratic candidate that ran such a well directed focused campaign? I think NOT. The Republicans are in it to WIN not play fair – A lesson the Democrats would do best to learn right now and not after the November election. They wanted a Democratic opponent that had already written their Republican campaign playbook for them with her campaign slams at Obama. Someone that not only brings her negative baggage with her from her two terms as first lady but someone that continuously provided new targets for the Republicans whenever she had the chance during the primary campaign. Not to mention the added benefit of her bringing along a companion target – Bill. These very reasons are the reason that Obama should never ever consider her as his running mate. The only running he should do is AWAY from Hillary. Why would he want to help the Republicans beat him by offering her up as an easy target? One that he would spend his time and energy protecting or answering for? BTW – I am a 60 yr old Hispanic female looking forward to Obama as President.
Posted by: Martha | June 6, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Obama started using the race card in South Carolina and used it until the end of the primaries. He let his surrogates Pfleger, Wright and all his hired hands do the dirty work and then he would come out and try to smooth everything over. Go study and find out how he got to be in the Illinois state Senate. That will tell you a lot about how Obama works.
Posted by: n9b12 | June 6, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
the IDIOTIC strategy that the DNC forced on the democratic primary was to protect oabam at all costs from any attaacks possible..
The DNC idiots maintained that cking obama would provide fuel to the republicans in GE.
‘ve got news for the idiots at the DNC: they ain’t seen nothin yet..
let’s see if obama can stand on his own now.. give him a month and we’ll talk again.
with no history, virutally no record and no background – obama boy is red meat for the republican attack machine.
they will define him fo rthe amrican people – since he has said nothing but ‘change’..
dnc have been protecting their little boy – at our expense. democrats will lose the wh.
Posted by: Average Joe | June 6, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Another reason why Obama should not select her as V.P. Good gracious God!
Posted by: Joe Reed | June 6, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
The campaign that Senator Clinton ran was not something to be proud of. She (and her husband) have been diminished by the things they have said in this campaign. Sad.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | June 6, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Another backstabbing colleague heard from. Everytime one loses his own election now, I suppose they will blame it on the Clintons. Disloyalty and hypocrisy(especially in public)are not virtues in many American’s minds in spite of what all of the bandwagon hopping Democrats think. I no longer call myself a Democrat after the sham the DNC and Obama’s campaign forced upon the electorate this year. It is also sad how many voters allowed themselves to be swept up in Obamamania (largely perpetuated by the press) and didn’t bother to actually find out important facts about ALL candidates before blindly casting their votes.
Posted by: dwc | June 6, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
For all those complaining about a “unnamed” source, be careful what you ask for – would a name really help the situation? Probably not.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | June 6, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
It’s amazing at how many GOP operatives are all over these blogs posting as Hillary supporters. Kind of pathetic and juvenile, but we are use to this kind of crap from them. Nice try, I know you people are frustrated with the old guy, Is one of us or not? He’s running from his own parties platform and rejecting the GOP of the past. That’s your fault, you picked him now deal with it.
Posted by: dee | June 6, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
One thing for sure in my mind is that Hillary needs to learn from her campaigning mistakes.
The other thing is that in the long run I do not see Obama winning, and with McCain playing the POW card and all the republicans backing him or at least the majority its going to be another Bush in the oval office. And since the Bush’s brought us 9/11 what do you think the McCain’s will bring the US.
Country’s going to hell in a hand bag
Posted by: Michaelsviews | June 6, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
hillary is “not devisive.”
are you kidding?
i must have been watching a different primary.
Posted by: criminysakes | June 6, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
For all the conspiracy theorists that think this is somehow perptuated by the Obama Campaign, can you provide proof?? If not the proof you have given is that you are cowards looking for nothing more than a scapegoat. I’m an Obama supporter, but I would have voted for Clinton if she had won…..She did not. Now is the time to unify. BOTH supporters need to chill out.
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Gee, people actually believe this guy? He lost his primary race, and then he sprouts out this stuff? Does anyone find it odd he waited until after he lost his primary race?
Meh, sounds like this guy is a sore looser. As a Democrat why bother to bring this up to stir the pot at a time when the Democrats need to be united against the GOP? He doesn’t sound like loyalist to the party, and more like GOP member himself.
Posted by: GWP | June 6, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Obama impresses me more and more every day. I’m a 60 year old white guy from North Carolina and he reminds me of Bobby and JFK.
Posted by: Bill in NC | June 6, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Its unfortunate that Hillary is still playing for the nomination after Obama has surpassed the clinching number.
This will make things difficult for Obama to campaign.
Obama will have to be very careful not to mis-step in the slightest, for if he has even a minor gaffe, Hillary’s cronies will pounce.
It is a shame that this nomination cycle has come down to having to beat the Clintons twice in one cycle.
The Clintons are in this simply for themselves, I believe since Obama bested her once, he can best hear again
Posted by: Bob | June 6, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Good for Andrews for speaking out. Hillary could never have won those 18 million votes without sending Bubba out to the rural areas without cameras. It was a two-fer sale. She had an unfair advantage having a former President campaigning for her. She didn’t break any ground as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: Denise from NJ | June 6, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
As an Independent who supported Hillary, I would like to see someone start an effective campaign to force Dr. Gov. Howard Dean to resign, Sen. Harry Reid to retire and Sen. Nancy Pelosi to admit she is in over her head and step down. Since I am not a Democrat, I am not going to start such a campaign, but in view of what happened, I think it is necessary that someone should pay the piper. They forced Hillary out, so someone should force them out. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Throw the rascals (I’m being charitable here) out!
Posted by: Yavo Lem | June 6, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
In a large enough population
anywhere, there are smart
people and there are stupid
people.
She has a lock on the stupid
vote.
Posted by: anon | June 6, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Hillary did not just campaign against Obama. She was up against the DNC, Super-delegates and the MSM. Considering how Obama had all these on their side and still had to have the DNC Rules Committee push his stumbling feet over the finish line I think she was an excellent candidate. Obama will lose Florida and Michigan because of the way the rules committee acted in the end of the primary and also the general election.
Posted by: s4bo | June 6, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Yavo Lem, they forced her out because she was defiant one day too long. If she had acknowledged Obama’s historic Nomination, she would have had almost 2 weeks to gracefully and slowly back out…
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
If they did indeed push a racist strategy, they didn’t do a very good job of it. Just wait until the Repub 527′s get warmed up.
Posted by: Mack | June 6, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
s4bo, (Sigh). Anymore excuses??
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Obama impresses me more and more every day. I’m a 60 year old white guy from North Carolina and he reminds me of Bobby and JFK.
Posted by: Bill in NC | Jun 6, 2008 11:05:23 AM
BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know it. I was shocked yesterday when only TWO day after getting the nomination, he stop lobbyist from giving money to the DNC. He’s already starting to clean up Washington.
Now that’s change I can believe in.
Posted by: JP | June 6, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
s4bo: Hillary was up against the super delegates because she chose to go that route. Had she left the race when the pledged delegate numbers were no longer in her favor she wouldn’t have had to be subjected to their decision. Obama overcame much more formidable odds. He was up against Hillary, a former President, Governors of major states, the entire Clinton machine and the Republican smear machine. I’d say he did pretty darn good.
Posted by: DC from NJ | June 6, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
anon I guess that the truth hurts don’t it. I have been called a lot of things in my life but I don’t let people like you get under my skin.
Posted by: s4bo | June 6, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
If they want change, then Hillary should give it them. Instead of towing the party line for the crumbling democratic party, she should run as an Independent. Our limited choice of Dem or Repub is not the real change that we’ve been waiting for.
Posted by: Mack | June 6, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
the oracle No not excuses I just am dealing with facts.
Posted by: s4bo | June 6, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Mack, and you come to that brilliant conclusion AFTER she lost, right??
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
The way I see it, at least with the DNC, is they helped Hillary since Mi, and Fl were stripped of ALL their delegates. She gained as many delegates from them as she did from Ohio and Penn.
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
womenunited, I hear you. I’m just saying if she’d have said he pretty much won. She could have spent the next couple of weeks thinking the women, and receiving the respect she deserved for doing what no woman has ever done.
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Now I do not support Hilary but the only one on the democrat side that was using race was Obama, even in the criticism of Hilary last speech he got upset because she did not say it was an historic event that a Black man won the nomination!!
The Obama backing press was throwing Sexist comments around all the tiome while defending Obama.
So the only Racist and Sexist in the campaign is Obama!!
Posted by: spock | June 6, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
I must agree with the assertion, and Bill was one of the worst.
Posted by: Sally | June 6, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
hareta tesfa I had the Democrat at heart until this primary. I have seen how the primary was run pro-Obama and I just can not seem to get excited about the Democratic part any more. To tell you the truth I am going to vote Republican for President for the first time in my life.
Posted by: s4bo | June 6, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
spock, what criticisms did he give her for not admitting he won??? Got any links?? Or is that you’re own personal opinion??
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Where is the change if you still have the same 2 tired parties that never get anything done? Obama just seized on a slogan. He doesn’t represent change. I’m not saying that Hillary would be the best person to venture out, although she does have name recognization. Third party candidates are usually labeled as quacks by the MSM and the 2 parties out of fear.
Posted by: Mack | June 6, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Here’s the proof that Hillary offered no real change. They took a page from the Rove playbook and chose devisive politics to make her bid. Can’t her supporters understand that all they know about the real Hillary is what the Clintons let get out. This article should tell you that you were fooled…bigtime. You fell for the same line of bs that put Busch in office. Wake up!!! Devisive politics is what has gridlocked Washington….and you’re willing to buy into it again? Listen and learn.
Posted by: Ed | June 6, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Mack, I’m not saying I disagree with you. But what i am saying is thats not Obamas fault, and why are you waiting till Hill lost to want a 3rd party??
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
DC from NJ At this point I would not put anything past Obama. The only unbiased news media is Fox. The rest have been for Obama especially CBS and MSNBC.
Posted by: s4bo | June 6, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
any HRC supporter who thinks the media wanted her out, did you see the latest numbers on the viewing of the primary season on cable news? If they had it their way, we’d push back the election until 2009
Posted by: doug | June 6, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
S4BO; Wake up and live in the real world!
FOX News is just as biased as they get. Any person of minimal intelligence cannot think highly of a station that hires the likes of Sean Hannity and Julie Bendaras.
Posted by: Katya | June 6, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Lol. Prisitine comparison Doug.
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
A general question to Clinton Supporters. HRC says she is not “actively seeking” the VP slot. Whatever, but I guess Ill take her word, and a shot with it. BUt here is the question. Hw would you honestly feel if a Sebelius or Napolitano ends up on the ticket? Is your goal to put a woman on the ticket or just HIllary
Posted by: doug | June 6, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
I tried to give Fox News a chance.
This was after Clinton’s disastrous N. Carolina-Indiana performance.
I tried, I really, really, tried BUT THE BLATANT BIGOTRY AND MISINFORMATION SENT ME HURTLING BACK INTO THE ARMS OF THE DEMS AND OBAMA.
Posted by: Ann | June 6, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Hillary wasn’t my first choice, she was just the best of the rest in my eyes. I did come to respect her determination and spirit though. I think I am like a lot of people out there that are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. We don’t really fit neatly into either of the 2 parties.
Posted by: Mack | June 6, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
OY VEY!
Posted by: barf simpson | June 6, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
katya I would not put anything past Obama now. I have done endless hours of reasearch on Obama and I have found out what I need to know about him. If all the Obama supporters would take the time and study a candidate instead off taking what the MSM says they would find out the truth about the candidate of their choice. As for Wright and Pfleger I do think that everyone has come to a conclusion about them a long time ago.
Posted by: s4bo | June 6, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Is there a club where you people just discuss backwards stuff or what? Hillary CAN NOT and WOULD NOT run Independent, as ALL of her power is based in the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. No matter how many people say they would follow her, the reality of not having enough people to apply any pressure to the other parties to achieve their goals makes her moot. I am not saying there isn’t room for other parties, I believe that there should be at least 3 good and major choices. But at this time she would not do anything so contrary to her own ambitions.
Posted by: MrMajek | June 6, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Yeh..if Hillary runs as an independent
she has very good change to win in november.
Hillary/Hagel ’08
Posted by: Nicholas | June 6, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Okay Mack, I hear that. I’d actually put myself in that category. I’d just ask you if you supported Hill for her policies. And if you did, why you would go against those policies COMPLETELY in voting for McCain. Face it folks, bad things get said in politics and battle. BUT THEY’RE ON THE SAME TEAM. USE REAL BULLETS ON THE REPUBS!!!!
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Nicholas, too bad Hagel has endorsed Obama.
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
I guess these few Hillarydems for McCain are simply addicted to losing. They are masochists who like to be beaten up. So they’re lucky: at the end of this year they will have been beaten up twice, and badly. Some folks are born losers, and happy to be so, it seems.
Posted by: maria | June 6, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Thats great Nicholas, good to see other Countries will actually like and respect us again.
Posted by: The Oracle | June 6, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
The Article titled PAC’S AND LOBBYISTS AIDED OBAMA’S RISE—Scott Helman Boston Globe August 9, 2007—”But behind Obama’s campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth. A Globe review of Obama’s campaign finance records shows that he collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs as a state legislator in Illinois, a US senator, and a presidential aspirant.In Obama’s eight years in the Illinois Senate, from 1996 to 2004, almost two-thirds of the money he raised for his campaigns — $296,000 of $461,000 — came from PACs, corporate contributions, or unions, according to Illinois Board of Elections records. He tapped financial services firms, real estate developers, healthcare providers, oil companies, and many other corporate interests, the records show.”
Posted by: not fooled 08 | June 6, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
The Dems are practicing smear tactics on their own!
The fact is this guy supported Clinton, his opponent backed Obama. He is bitter now that he lost BIG. He has not given any names and probably wants to ingratiate himself now to Obama in order to protect his political future.
It just goes to show that the supers did what was convenient for them to do…back who will get you the furthest. Now this guy was running against the incumbent, so it was a long shot anyway.
The way the party operates is just wrong…supers, many being politicians themselves and trying to win office…should not carry so much weight in electing the nominee. There is just too much of a conflicting interest.
I mean come on…the candidates pay the supers…it’s all on record. Now isn’t that pay to play politics?
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | June 6, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Why does this matter now? Please let’s stop talking about Hillary.
Posted by: Nicole | June 6, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
the oracle Fox is I agree bias in a lot of ways. They are conservatives. On the other hand they do give a lot of unbiased reports. I do not let any media dictate to me how to vote or who to vote for. MSNBC as you know if you tell the truth is solid for Obama and totally against Clinton. Clinton is out now no longer an issue in my mind. I believe in not looking at one of the MSms reports I think we need to listen to them all. I also am a strong believer in research.
Posted by: s4bo | June 6, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Poppycock. Now Hillary is going to continue to be blamed for any problems Obama might have. Totally, totally absurd! She’s out and the bashing continues. Leave her alone and move on to the general election!!
Posted by: hopesprings52 | June 6, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
my fellow Americans, the next time you go to a baseball game, a hockey game, or a Race between two candidates who have spent almost two years running and millions to get there. I want you to leave the games and be willing to wait a week or two until the oposing team finally is able to put aside their angry at losing, hurt feelings, bad sportsmanship etc. As an American woman. I am ashamed of how many of these women are acting. We had a candidate, she ran, he ran better. He won. we are supposed to say congratulations, we will beat your soxs off next time. However, some women are helping men who say that women are to moody, weepy, angry,un-sportsman like to hold the highest office. I have seen the first woman candidate for the highest office in the land and for me that is a wonder. Mrs. Clinton was wrong to introduce popular vote, when she and her husband are partially responsible for the rule that says it is the DELEGATES THAT COUNT. In the fall It will be the ELECTORAL COLLEGE THAT COUNTS. What a lesson we are teaching our children, “When we want something bad enough, screw the rules, they only apply to other folks any way, is this the message that we send to our society women. I wanted her to win, she did not, but I will back the party that she and Bill have dedicated their lives to help building. You see, I am just old enough to know that a stolen victory is no victory at all. A lot of bad things were said to get your votes and that is a part of the process, but Hillary is a Democrat and she fights for the party and the nominee and I back Hillary,
Barbara
Posted by: barbara | June 6, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Raleigh Voter: The reason Andrews lost big in NJ is because Lautenburg’s money. You should have seen the smear ads Lautenburg ran against him over the past few weeks. Lautenburg buys his senate seat every time he comes up for re-election, just as Corzine bought his.
Posted by: DC from NJ | June 6, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
I find it amazing that in 2008 we still can’t get our act together.
We are cannibalizing this nation with our constant bickering and infighting like school children with no home training. Whatever happens next will not be because of right wing conspiracy or the left’s propaganda machine it will be because “We the People” are to short sighted to put our differences aside do what’s best for the greater good.
“God bless the terrified republic…”
Posted by: bkgirl007 | June 6, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
They forced Hillary out, so someone should force them out.
———————-
Yavo…Hillary lost. She was not “forced” out of anything. She lost. That’s it. It’s that simple. We did not want her as our nominee. That’s why she lost.
More states won, more votes, more pledged delegates, more super delegates= NOMINEE
This is not a “new” concept. The DNC had been priming Clinton for 8 years. They gave her a Senate seat in a state she doesn’t even live just so she could run for President. She was “inevitable” remember? They had nothing to do with her loss.
The process was there long before the race started. So quit whining about it. It wasn’t an issue until Hillary got her butt kicked in February.
It’s not a personal attack on Sen Clinton, but she lost. The VOTERS wanted someone else.
Posted by: David HUSSEIN Alexander | June 6, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Take any running mate John McCain could choose… he still wouldn’t have a prayer of winning the general election in November…. not against
Barack Obama and Wesley Clark!
Wesley Clark, former NATO Supreme Commander and 2004 Democratic candidate for President, will build the coalition this country needs to instill true and lasting change.
Democrats who supported Hillary, Independents, and Republican-inclined veterans will come together and help Barack Obama build a true American majority that will support him through November and through the next eight years!
Isn’t it time we had a look at Wesley Clark for Vice President?
Barack Obama and Wesley Clark in 2008!
A solid WINNING TEAM for America’s future!
Posted by: msb415 | June 6, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
What are the bloggers going to do now that they won’t have Hillary to smear and bash anymore? They might have to discuss substantive issues — shock!!
Posted by: hopesprings52 | June 6, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
TO: David Hussein Alexander.
—————————-
Because general elections ARE
different ballgame……
There’s NOT any manipunation like
primaries and caucuses.
Americans vote for a leader with
certain qualities and values to be
commander in chief for U.S armed
forces.Hussein Obama doesn’t hold
those values.He’s UN-TESTED.
…..And that’s a case point.
Posted by: Nicholas | June 6, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
I have a feeling we will be hearaing a lot more of this in the coming weeks and months.
Many of her top campaign staffers jumped ship due to the tone of the campaign and Mark Penn’s damaging tactics.
Now we will find out just what song they were singing.
Posted by: Fired UP!! | June 6, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Gee Jake I would love to see the memos from South Carolina where Obama started his race strategy against the Clintons. Since at that time the media read word for word from them I assume you have copies and can print them here.
I’m not sure America has profited from the race baiting from Obama’s campaign. Especially since the media is so willing to deny it now.
Bill Clinton was not imagining things and ya’ll know it.
So I would encourage you to stop with the Clintons. When the memos from Axelrod and company start out against McCain please try take the highroad.
There is enough racism and racial resentment to go around in America. ON ALL SIDES…so if you are going to inflame the situation start asking yourself how someone without blame could have sat in a church for 20 years while it was taught?
Trust me I live and work with Hispanics, Blacks and Whites…There have always been rifts…the election has brought things to a boiling point. The type of healing that needs to happen will require someone who hasn’t been indoctrinated by hate talk for 20 years.
Posted by: Jackie | June 6, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
I’d have to bite the bullet on the social issues, although he’ll be a lame duck with the Dems in control, and won’t be able to implement any draconian policies. I was very impressed with Obama’s speech in 2004, although I didn’t know anything about him at that time. After learning more about him, out of principle, I could never vote for him.
Posted by: Mack | June 6, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
YEAH…YEAH…YOU ALL DEMOCRATS WHO WANA SAVE AMERICA… TIME HAS COME TO VOTE THE ONLY (SIGHT) CHANCE LEFT …
!!VOTE McCAIN !!
Posted by: Dan Duval | June 6, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Yeh..if Hillary runs as an independent
she has very good change to win in november.
Hillary/Hagel ’08
Posted by: Nicholas | Jun 6, 2008 11:42:35 AM
All she has left in the bank is, some “change”. LOL!!
Posted by: JP | June 6, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Politicians really know how to use voters and yet voters never get it. If you’re a Clinton supporter you say Obama stole the race and brought about race. Race wasn’t mentioned ny him. Although grnder was by Hillary the whole campaign. Stories of how women wanted to see her as president before they died. Surrogates saying blacks only voting for him because of his race. Then right stating how THEY wanted to see a WOMAN. What double standard! Now because he wants to stablize the mess Bush made with talks Jews are offended. Well you can vote for Mcsame if you want, he’ll be bomb bomb bomb bombing bomb bomb Iran. And your sons and daughters will be drafted for that war. Think people!!
Posted by: jdubwill | June 6, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Obama’s associations with Hillary is more damaging than Rev. Wright, Fledger, and the other bomber guy combined.
The republicans are planning to runn ads featuring the Clintons criticizing Obama. She can only help the democrats now by leaving the party completely.
I would not believe her after all she said about Obama and now turn around and say the opposite. I won’t spend a dime for her to campaign for Obama.
Posted by: Gillis | June 6, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
hopesprings52, you’re right, Clinton was never substantial. As her campaign revealed, she lacks talent and strayed into very unsavory tactics and comments. You can call me “baby boomer Sallie.” I’m a woman, yet Clinton put a bad name on women.
Posted by: Sallie | June 6, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
The Article titled PAC’S AND LOBBYISTS AIDED OBAMA’S RISE—Scott Helman Boston Globe August 9, 2007—”But behind Obama’s campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth. A Globe review of Obama’s campaign finance records shows that he collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs as a state legislator in Illinois, a US senator, and a presidential aspirant.In Obama’s eight years in the Illinois Senate, from 1996 to 2004, almost two-thirds of the money he raised for his campaigns — $296,000 of $461,000 — came from PACs, corporate contributions, or unions, according to Illinois Board of Elections records. He tapped financial services firms, real estate developers, healthcare providers, oil companies, and many other corporate interests, the records show.”
Posted by: not fooled 08 | June 6, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
TO: BBLACK
I said 13% of the total 100% of the register voters in U.S.
NOT JUST THE DEMOCRATS.
You got it………
Posted by: Nicholas | June 6, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Posted by: not fooled 08 | Jun 6, 2008 11:49:07 AM
This post is a perfect example of how the GOP is going spin the facts against Obama. The numbers in the post are real however, what they don’t say is the money was small donations from employees of the companies who support Obama. Not from the companies themselves.
For instance, they are saying if a guy working at an ARCO station donates $25.00 to Obama’s campaign, it’s a donation from an oil company. Spin, spin, spin.
Posted by: JP | June 6, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Again, we have a lot of free-thinking, spirited discussions on this board. Thank God we have the liberty to express our opinions.
Remember, VOTE in November. If you don’t, well, you have no one to thank but yourselves if you are unhappy with the direction this country goes in.
I must say, I don’t understand how anyone would vote for people that are going to significantly raise our taxes to the point where the “middle class” is polarized into the “working poor.” I just do not understand why you would want to do that. That’s Obama, folks. Remember: You have been warned.
Posted by: Lisa Again | June 6, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
This just shows that the Clintons will do anything to get there own way. Kick her to the curb, Obama, and don’t even think twice about her being VP. Bring someone in who actually cares about this country, and not only looking out for themselves.
As for all of you saying Hilary will win as an independent….are you kidding!!! Do you have any clue whatsoever as to why independents don’t win….no financial backing. Hilary is already 30 million in debt from the primaries, yet you think she is going to fund her own presidential campaign…get real! Just can’t let go, can you??? Face it, Obama is the next president, and I would say since he was virtually a no-name, first-term senator at the start of the race, and he defeated the Clinton machine, he is definitely deservingly so…OBAMA 08
Posted by: bigrjh | June 6, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
BARRACK OBAMA SHOULD PICK LARRY SINCLAIR AS HIS VICE PRESIDENT.
IT WILL BE JUST WONDERFUL
BARRACK OBAMA & LARRY SINCLAIR 2008!
Posted by: mary | June 6, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
I am from Crown Heights in Brooklyn, NY. In the summer of 1991, when I was 12 years old, my neighborhood, which I love very much, exploded in a terrible riot – a violent, deadly conflict between its Black and Jewish residents.
My neighborhood, and the Black and Jewish communities in general, have been trying to heal from this terrible incident for 17 years. Exploiting this very sensitive and painful issue for political gain is beyond despicable.
This isn’t something Rob Andrews made up out of thin air and it is wholly consistent with the Clinton campaign. I am troubled that her campaign continues to get away with these tactics, and more troubled that America doesn’t really seem to care.
Posted by: bklynbam | June 6, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
To GILLIS: Yahh! They will also show videos of what YOUR Obama said about Clinton. Ha! Ha!Jus wait till the fight begins…
Posted by: Starlight | June 6, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Lisa again…I know exactly what you mean about raising taxes. I am fine with what I am paying now…and believe me…we aren’t rich.
Here is an excerpt from the Wall Street Journal:
The Obama spend-o-meter is now up around $800 billion. And tax hikes on the rich won’t pay for it. It’s the middle class that will ultimately shoulder this fiscal burden in terms of higher taxes and lower growth.
The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax.
Not only is Obama the big-spending candidate, he’s also the very-high-tax candidate. And what he wants to tax is capital.
Doesn’t Obama understand the vital role of capital formation in creating businesses and jobs? Doesn’t he understand that without capital, businesses can’t expand their operations and hire more workers?
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | June 6, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Obama’s weaknesses are there for everyone to see. Hillary’s hands were tied, so she did very little to exploit them. He will not be so lucky against the Repubs. Nothing will be off limits, and it shouldn’t be. We need to know what we are getting with both of these candidates.
Posted by: Mack | June 6, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
And another..and this ain’t smear tactics! People want to harp on McCain and what he didn’t or did vote for…well if there is a lot of pork in it, he will simply not vote for it…he promised he would never accept pork/earmarks as President…now that’s refreshing!
Hmmm…didn’t Obama vote for the Bush/Cheney Energy Bill? What was his explanation for that because I do not believe I have heard one yet.
Anyhow here is another analysis, I forgot to save the source on this one:
Look what we have to look forward to God forbid America loses its collective mind and votes Obama into office: JUST ONE EXAMPLE and don’t forget his wealth redistribution plans. If you make 50K or more your money is going to be OUR MONEY and the UN’s money and Africa’s money so keep supporting Obama lets go……. Cuban style! The 845 Billion Dollar Obama-UN Tax “[T]he legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which… would amount to $845 billion ‘over and above what the U.S. already spends.’” Obama wants almost 60% of this earmaked for Africa…ummmmm..wonder why? and you think government spending is bad now…ha ha haMany have called it: “Obama’s costly, dangerous and altogether bad bill…”Joseph Farah, of WorldNetDaily.com, said of Senator Obama’s Global Poverty Act:”Now comes an even grander proposal by Barack Obama. It’s called the Global Poverty Act that would, in the next decade, transfer at least $845 billion of U.S. taxpayer money overseas. Think of Johnson’s failed war on poverty going international — directed not by Americans but by the United Nations
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | June 6, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
To: David HUSSEIN Alexander, and others among the benighted, this is where it stood, but for the DNC:
Total vote = 33,808,579 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total vote = 34,046,747 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Clinton = 17,090,391 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Obama = 16,956,356 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Diff. = +134,035 (Clinton) (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Pct. = +0.4 (Clinton) (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Clinton = 17,090,391 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Obama = 16,718,188 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Diff. = +372,203 (Clinton)
Total Pct. = +1.1009% (Clinton)
The above numbers are the actual vote totals from the NY Times web site, and compiled on my spreadsheet. The are up-to-date through 12:00 PM, June 4, 2008. Any errors are my own, and it would be appreciated if they would be pointed out, with support.
Further:
From my side-by-side Electoral Vote analysis of performance-based results:
Total Clinton Electoral Votes = 311
Total Obama Electoral Votes = 227
Total Electoral Votes needed to win the General Election = 270
Where it stands:
Total Obama PLEDGED DELEGATES = 1764 (includes Projected)
Total Clinton PLEDGED DELEGATES = 1640 (includes Projected)
Diff. Between candidates = 124
“Magic Number” for Nomination = 2118
Obama needs for Nomination = 354
Clinton needs for Nomination = 478
Total number of SUPERDELEGATES = 825 {vote at Convention ONLY)
Senator Obama, contrary to popular opinion has not won anything at this point, other than 1,764 PLEDGED DELEGATES, and since 2,118 are now needed for the Nomination, he is NOT the nominee in any shape or form. SUPERDELEGATES, and even PLEDGED DELEGATES, can change their minds at any time, and even the PLEDGED DELEGATES are not REQUIRED to vote for the specific candidate to whom they are pledged.
Posted by: Yavo Lem | June 6, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Well I have lived in all four corners of the United States and have traveled to Canada and Mexico.
What do I care what people in some of the highest taxed nations in the world care about Obama. Guess they want us taxed just the same..LOL
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | June 6, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
On a more important and urgent note, can we nip this “spox” nonsense in the bud right now? I’m not sure that term could be any more annoying. I refuse to see American news turned into one giant reading of the Daily Variety.
Posted by: ElodieStClair | June 6, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
G D American, I will never forget those words. ***** Hillary or mcCain *****
Posted by: Charles G. | June 6, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
My wife thinks Hillary is a Bword. I concured, that’s why we are still married.
After all she did to destroy Obama to no avail. She will now turn around and say, “just kidding!” with a fake smile in her face.
I will not vote for a ticket that includes her in any shape or form. If 30% of her supporters won’t come to Obama, they can go whereever they want cause Obama will win in November. His message is undeniable and her “logic is undeniably wrong.”
Posted by: Gillis | June 6, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
No – Clinton should NOT have stopped her life and dropped to her knees to kiss obama’s feet BECAUSE HE DEMANDED THAT SHE DO THIS. The cult leader cannot have his way on everything. He has already TOLD the MSM and other people, not to talk about his pastors, his priest, his church, his anti-American associates, his wife and this background or ask for any papers. HE TOLD YOU and you crumpled to the ground in defeat. That makes you ALL yellow chicken livers. obama TOLD YOU WHAT TO THINK AND YOU THOUGHT IT. OBAMA TOLD YOU WHAT TO SAY AND YOU SAY IT. Not Hillary – she will do what she is forced to do by the DNC, which by the way, is about to come crashing down. When the DNC cleanses itself from Howard Dean and Pelosi, it might become a treasured political party once again. Until then – they are no better than any other obama cult follower. Obama won’t tell me what to do ever. I won’t vote for him and I won’t support him. Now, what I do expect, is that the obama racial committee will be a knocking on my door – do I get arrested? probably – do I care? NO.
As of this morning, this is still the United States of America and I am natural born citizen of the USA and until this becomes another country, I am still living in freedom.
If obama is elected – you can bet your last dollar this will change. You thought G.W. Bush is bad???? Wait for obama and his Anti-Americans to hit you. Do you think because he “denounced” them they are out of his life – Not a chance. They are on the sidelines, just drooling to get to you.
Posted by: Lou | June 6, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Yavo,
Clinton is not going to storm the Convention with the 4 Super Delegates she has left, IF she even has them by AUG.
Get over it!! She lost, no….she got her butt whupped!
And it’s all her fault. She sank herself.
This is the REAL problem with America today.
No personal responsibility.
When I eat McDonalds everyday, I get fat, so I will SUE them!!
When I eat FRITOS all day, my blood pressure goes up, I sue them too!
No conspiracy, she BLEW IT! HER FAULT!
Posted by: Fired UP!! | June 6, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Yavo: Thank you. Here I will repeat your words:
To: David HUSSEIN Alexander, and others among the benighted, this is where it stood, but for the DNC:
Total vote = 33,808,579 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total vote = 34,046,747 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Clinton = 17,090,391 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Obama = 16,956,356 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Diff. = +134,035 (Clinton) (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Pct. = +0.4 (Clinton) (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Clinton = 17,090,391 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Obama = 16,718,188 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Diff. = +372,203 (Clinton)
Total Pct. = +1.1009% (Clinton)
The above numbers are the actual vote totals from the NY Times web site, and compiled on my spreadsheet. The are up-to-date through 12:00 PM, June 4, 2008. Any errors are my own, and it would be appreciated if they would be pointed out, with support.
Further:
From my side-by-side Electoral Vote analysis of performance-based results:
Total Clinton Electoral Votes = 311
Total Obama Electoral Votes = 227
Total Electoral Votes needed to win the General Election = 270
Where it stands:
Total Obama PLEDGED DELEGATES = 1764 (includes Projected)
Total Clinton PLEDGED DELEGATES = 1640 (includes Projected)
Diff. Between candidates = 124
“Magic Number” for Nomination = 2118
Obama needs for Nomination = 354
Clinton needs for Nomination = 478
Total number of SUPERDELEGATES = 825 {vote at Convention ONLY)
Senator Obama, contrary to popular opinion has not won anything at this point, other than 1,764 PLEDGED DELEGATES, and since 2,118 are now needed for the Nomination, he is NOT the nominee in any shape or form. SUPERDELEGATES, and even PLEDGED DELEGATES, can change their minds at any time, and even the PLEDGED DELEGATES are not REQUIRED to vote for the specific candidate to whom they are pledged.
Posted by: Meck | June 6, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Nat…I hear quite a lot from people around the country, as well as my personal friends/associates.
Many who were suckered into voting for George W…I for one saw this coming and I am not speaking from hindsight…
Many of those same voters want to go in the opposite direction. Now that’s a way to choose a President.
Fortunately, for many, this was just a quick reaction, they have not come to their senses.
Things are going to get really messy in the Middle East and I believe McCain will show better judgment and appear to be the stronger candidate.
And why do continue to use race when attempting to make a point? Can you not do it without playing the race card? Did you really say “white” cynics or was it a typo? I would hope the latter
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | June 6, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Fox news has been one of the MOST unbiased during this election. They have gone up in the ratings, even in the past few days because people are sick of the Obama love fest on the other networks, namely MSNBC and CNN.
I have noticed in the past week, that CNN has toned down some…probably because their ratings are in the toilet.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | Jun 6, 2008 12:01:21 PM
ARE YOU KIDDING??? SPIN, SPIN, SPIN.
Here’s the REAL FACTS…..And FOX IS IN THE TOILET!
The Scoreboard: Tuesday, June 3
25-54 demographic: (L +SD)
Prime: FNC: 739 | CNN: 1415 | MSNBC: 1053 | HLN: 199
5p: 6p: 7p: 8p: 9p: 10p: 11p:
FNC ElectionHQ: Hume: Shep.: ElectionHQ: ElectionHQ: ElectionHQ: H&C:
242 280 326 528 843 847 415
CNN Blitzer: Blitzer: Dobbs: Elec.Cent.: Elec.Cent.: Elec./Coop: Cooper:
293 351 579 885 1465 1890 975
MSNBC Hardball: Spec.Cov.: Spec.Cov.: Spec.Cov.: Spec.Cov.: Spec.Cov.: Spec.Cov.:
250 320 531 617 1068 1473 598
HLN Prime: Prime: Beck: Grace: Beck: Grace: Showbiz:
112 92 241 308 116 203 218
Posted by: JP | June 6, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
My apoligies to Raliegh voter it should have been to: N. Turner…first time on this site so was not aware who was posting what; cheers…btw never been to Raleigh so those were fighting words after what I thought was your insult…
N. Turner: whatever im out of here, don’t make assumptions about my color I am quite sure (you are not a racist are you) anyway…let obama solve your problems; BTW he is the one yachting with D. Geffen and Ms. Huffington… CHEERS life is good when you have rich friends!
Unstead of your sorry butt taking control of your own actions and making yourself a better (and richer) person let obama take control and be rich and powerful just like papa bush! :) Change (Give me a Break)
Posted by: mc | June 6, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
American’s deserve to be heavily taxed. They supported and voted for Bush and his war mongering cronnies. They have spent billions on nonesense and left us the tab to pickup. Guess what, we have to pickup the tab, because we were so scared of Alqaeda, we authorized nonesense for 8 years.
Posted by: Gillis | June 6, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
I believe every word of it. Anything to win, that’s her philosophy and still end up a looser.
SD
Posted by: Sharon | June 6, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Our soldiers have already paid a heavy price for the misadventure in Iraq. Innocent Iraqi’s have lost their lives in the thousands. The rest of us have not been asked to pay for anything! Ever wonder who pays for the war effort? If there was a war tax how many of us would have supported this war for profit? How many would vote for a party that is hell bent on making new wars?
Posted by: worldsam | June 6, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Hey Charles G., I wouldn’t vote for Rev. Wright either. But I will vote for someone that can’t be brainwashed by his sick views. Speaking of being brainwashed by sick views, have you heard the latest from Shame Hannity or Rush Lamebaugh?
Posted by: Dmmathis | June 6, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
The problem with a democracy is that, like all the other stupid forms of government, I can’t chose where my tax dollars go, or which war my children should fight and die in if necessary.
I still think the Ten commandments are better than the Ten ammendments.
Posted by: Gillis | June 6, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
when it comes to dirty laundry—THE CLINTONS SET THE STANDARD.
worst people ever in the white house.their history proves this.
i would consider obama as crazy if he asked hillary for vp.
Posted by: rodney | June 6, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
that statement by phil singer didn’t exactly include a denial.
Posted by: jb | June 6, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
I believe Andrews 100%. Before the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination, I honestly didn’t believe the Clintons were capable of this and unfortunately to my disgust I would of been dead wrong.
Posted by: Dominique | June 6, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
The true “authorized nonesense” are the endless entitlements programs.
Posted by: neobaroque | June 6, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Oh, I forgot. Jesus even made it easier by reducing it to two commandments.
So let’s scrap the amendments and just follow the two commandments. Start by loving your neighbor as yourself, and lets see how much tax we can save by doing just that one.
Posted by: Gillis | June 6, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
NEWS FLASH – only Congress can “spend” our money.
Posted by: neobaroque | June 6, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Rev. Wright, Farrakhan and Pfleger and things that Obama has said and done created concern about Obama’s relationship with jewish folk. Clinton had nothing to do with that no matter what any bitter person wants to allege. That being said… Obama is the Dem nominee and he’s been reaching out to stem those concerns.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | June 6, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
obama is the new broom which sweeps clean–if in four years he is status quo—-we can and will kick him out of office——we the people are the power–but must stop the kid crap and use it wisely.stop bickering like little children
Posted by: rodney | June 6, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
I don’t see how a vote for Obama is a vote for his preacher anymore than a vote for Clinton was a vote for her preacher. (Do we know his/her opinions on every issue?) you can knock Obama as much as you like but you have to admit the guy has a brain between his ears and knows how to use it.
Like it or not Barack Obama is the nominee for the Democratic Party. All those people who say McCain in 2008 then Clinton in 2012, or country before party, first of all need to know the risks. 4 more years of war, economic mismanagement and lack of healthcare reform, and who knows who put onto the Supreme Court. Is that putting country first? Sounds more like putting candidate before party to me.
Posted by: markymark | June 6, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
If Senator Clinton’s campaign planned on using divisive tactics it is only reflection of the general population. We repeatedly fall for divide and rule. Throughout history the ruling class has maintained power by preventing people with grievances from uniting against them. Did we not fall the last time around to gay marriage issue?
Posted by: worldsam | June 6, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
sickofbickering
shows how valuable an education is— the examples are here.
Posted by: rodney | June 6, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Keep pushing the story about how Clinton is a racist, that is really going to help Mccain attract her supporters.
The race card is getting pretty old and by playing it so much it is going to turn into ‘calling wolf’ so when racism actually does happen, no one will think much of it.
Posted by: Nikki | June 6, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
i am watching the news and they are showing all the old women -threathening to go to mccain—do they think he will give them something for nothing as healthcare—-BEAR IN MIND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.
Posted by: rodney | June 6, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
I must say, I don’t understand how anyone would vote for people that are going to significantly raise our taxes to the point where the “middle class” is polarized into the “working poor.” I just do not understand why you would want to do that. That’s Obama, folks. Remember: You have been warned.
Posted by: Lisa Again | Jun 6, 2008 12:06:19 PM
Another misinformed voter. Getting your facts from FOX news?
What Obama has proposed, is to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and raise the capital gains tax on incomes above $150,000.
That does not effect the middle class or the poor.
Posted by: JP | June 6, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
nicky
i am quite old and i must say i am ashamed of most people my age—–dont know if they are plain stupid or fighting alzhimers.
Posted by: rodney | June 6, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Senator Andrews is clearly looking for a plum job on the winning side, after he lost his primary race and hence being jobless. Let’s analyze, how many states since the Pennsylvania primary had a jewish population and also a significant jewish democratic voter base, for a planned racial division to succeed in favor of the Clinton campaign? Probably, the answer is none. So, senator Andrews is clearly a big liar. Senator Clinton coming second in the nomination race, and with all the liberal media making the Clintons their favorite punching bags, with innumerable accusations, and none to take them to task, senator Andrews, like a cheap opportunist, joined the bandwagon. He is obviously trying to impress the Obama campaign, who played this mudslinging game all along and intends to beg for a position in a future Obama administration.
Posted by: Mark | June 6, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
mark
go to google type in clinton scandals—-hold them responsible
Posted by: rodney | June 6, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Lou: “I see a lot of the comments about Hillary Clinton are sounding a lot like those of Phelger the priest. Wonder”
There maybe some truth to what Phelger said then. We were all watching Hillary’s campaign, were’nt we?
Posted by: Gillis | June 6, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
JP..
Do tell me, since you have all of the facts, just how much money that will bring in? And how will this pay for the additional social programs Obama is proposing? How much will go towards paying off the national debt? How long we will still be in Iraq since Obama proposes to pay for some of his programs from the money there? When will that money be freed up?
Could you also please tell me from history, what effect raising the capital gains tax so much has done?
I would appreciate a response from such an educated voter as yourself.
Posted by: memyselfandI | June 6, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Rodney,
It is ok! I love you all! I just wish that more people of all ages could see the light. We must come together as one, young, old, black , white, green…
Thanks for your support! May god bless you!
Posted by: nicky19610 | June 6, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
geevill: “No it isn’t. Bu it sure isn’t Clinton’s fault Jews do not like Obama. The only ones that do are blacks, young college kids, and rich elitist latte liberals.The line stops there.”
But they got him the nomination and she lost with all the other groups supporting her. Logic says, Obam’s groups are more powerfull than Hillary’s.
Posted by: Gillis | June 6, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
I agree with Maria about Hillary’s campaign debt. I was intially supporting her because I have never even heard of Barack Obama but then I read Caroline Kennedy letter of endorsement in the New York times. I never looked back. If Barack campaign was thtiry plus million dollars in debt, it would be international news. Talk about a double standard.
Posted by: gemstonez | June 6, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Obama’s support and attendance at Trinity Church has significantly alienated Jews. Many wise people know that it’s better judge a person by their actions (both past and present) rather than to believe “just their words” especially when their rhetoric is as empty as Obama’s and is constantly changed to meet what the specific audience wants to hear. Oh and past involvement and support for Pro Palistinean groups in Chicago and secret (and very recent) meetings with a Muslim leader in Dearborn, Michigan don’t help either. And then there’s the Nation of Islam connection with Obama’s Senate staffers and Trinity Church. And so many more… A person with a lick of common sense only needs to follow their gut and intuition to know how dangerous Obama would be for our democracy and our citizen’s safety.
Posted by: BleedingEdgeofCommonSense | June 6, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Harerta Tesfa- do you honestly believe that the only people that voted for Clinton were women? Do you believe that the women who did vote for her did so because she was a woman? I thought the exit polls in most of the states indicated that gender was not a factor?
Is it possible that many people voted for Clinton because they believed her to be the best leader at this time in America? Is it possible that many of her voters feel that Obama would not be a good leader? Regardless of their reasons, one cannot assume first-that all of Clinton’s voters were women AND they voted for her BECAUSE she was a woman. The exit polls indicate otherwise. Second-that some things are bigger than party politics, many people want a proven leader with the record to back that up.
If even 10% of Clinton’s supporter vote for McCain, that is more than 1.8 million votes. This does not include the percent who will just not vote.
Let’s not forget the independents who right now, McCain is up by several % and the 1 out 10 registered dems that traditionally have crossed over in past presidential elections…for whatever reasons.
No matter what Obama does, there will be many voters that just do not trust his judgment and rhetoric. Linking him to Bush will not sway voters…most of them trust and respect McCain, party because of his military past.
The pundits have it wrong…just because Clinton is bowing down, doesn’t mean her voters will back Obama just because he is the nominee.
Posted by: Mark in LA | June 6, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Jake is a news reporter. He’s doing his job by reporting about the idiotic, selfish and greedy Super Delegate from New Jersey. It’s not his job to unite the Democratic Party and he certainly isn’t interested in suppressing news. He’s all about free speech. It’s the Super Delegate who is responsible for any further division his own remarks may create, not Jake. And it’s likely that the Super Delegate is just following orders from the Obama campaigna in exchange for some money or opportunity.
Posted by: BleedingEdgeofCommonSense | June 6, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Yes, “authorized nonesense” includes entitlements like tax breaks for the rich. They are entitled to it alright. An the gas companies are entitled to a war so they can make record profits while we all pay through the nose for gas at the pumps. That’s real logical thinking for my fellow Americans.
Posted by: Gillis | June 6, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
TJ, no Clintonite would ever vote McCain. And Bill’s achievements are not Hillary’s achievements.
Posted by: Jason | June 6, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
It’s funny how after article after article exposing how corrupt Clinton has been, you get nothing but responses from Clinton supporters with no backup. No articles just links to people’s blogs, rumors, and nothing on the national news.
Clinton’s done. She won’t be VP, she would lose the election for Obama.
Posted by: Jason | June 6, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Poor extremist Hillary supporters, they know Hillary is getting kicked to the curb by Obama and the Democratic party. So they say “we hope she doesn’t make VP”, don’t worry, it ain’t gonna happen and though Hillary basically asked for it – nope.
And no, the Republicans don’t want you either. They hate the Clintons and have exploited them to get an advantage by running against an easy opponent, Hillary. That didn’t materialize so it will be back to business as usual shortly.
Why doesn’t she ask to be McCain’s VP? Oh that’s right, because the laughter from the Neocons would be heard from outer space, that’s why.
Posted by: Jason | June 6, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
In Hillary’s world everything is all about her. She had her campaign manager introduce her as “the next president of the United States.” There was nothing graceful or her conduct that night. What she wanted to do, and did, was steal the moment from Obama. “What does Hillary want?” When is this idiot going to learn that it’s not all about Hillary? This is a different world, except for Bill, of course.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
The press needs time to grieve and decompress.
Posted by: Mary, MI | June 6, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Yeah, whatever, keep attacking Clinton and you’ll just benefit McCain. Many Dems will ultimately abandon Obama if this keeps up. Regular folks don’t believe the slander against her.
Posted by: Marie | June 6, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Micheal – you’re kidding, right? What’s wrong with being a liberal activist? Do you really think anyone here believes that you’re anything other than a Republican plant? Stop trying to sow divisiveness among Dems and accept that you clowns have brought down disgrace on yourselves and DESERVE to lose the election in November.
Posted by: Katie In Texas | June 6, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Citizen In FL: The problem with a person such as yourself reciting the history of the Middle East is that those with a prejudice leave out some interesting and important details. The country of Jordan was also a total fabrication created by the British colonial system. It is many times larger than Israel and would have easily accomodated all Palestinians. There are many things about that area that would outrage Americans if they received the whole story. Many would be shocked that on December 8, 2004, President Bush signed a bill in which the U.S. government began paying of the overdue utility bills of Palestinians.
Posted by: bb | June 6, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
The Democrats deserve the mess they’ve created. They treacherously back-stabbed Clinton, and then they’re surprised that she fought back ? At least the Republicans are loyal to each other.
Posted by: Jane | June 6, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Sound like Rob Andrews lost his thunder and now is trying to make some of his own.
Posted by: tww | June 6, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
It’s so hard to believe someone who doesn’t name their source. Why wouldn’t he have revealed it during the final days of the Primary?
Posted by: Dar | June 6, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
gratefuldave – actually, Jimmy Carter brokered the only lasting peace treaty in the Middle East. And it’s beginning to look like he’s was right all along when it comes to energy conservation and foreign oil.
Meanwhile, Bush’s negative ratings are lower than Carter’s ever were.
Nice try, but Bush wears the loser crown.
Posted by: KateIsGreat | June 6, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Obama needs Clinton so much that He wont win without her. The Whites will really plan against him in November and he might just loose. Clitnon would be the best for him if he would listen to the voice of the wise
Posted by: DNC is divided | June 6, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Hey All,
Let this be a lesson in wisdom from an old woman.” Be careful when digging a whole for someone else, you just might be the one to fall in it yourself”. That’s exactly what Mrs. Clinton did. She took the low road every single time-creating this nagitive energy and Drama. She continued to shoot herself in the foot. She wasn’t speaking from the heart, she stayed on the “attack”, and instead of focusing on the issues and what she wanted to do-and could do- along with the help and support of the American people, she focused on demonizing Obama- who never changed His message or position. HE focused on the Bush administration instead of Hillery. He Never went AFTER her. He only responded to the darts she threw AT him. He stayed the course and remained positive, and continued to “Speak to what was possible”! He has learned from the Mistakes AND Triumphs of the Great Leaders who have risen against impossible odds. That is WISDOM! and That’s the kind of person we need to get us out of this mess. I feel fortunate to witness this example of how to stand in the midst of “the impossible”. I do NOW,more than ever, BELIEVE!.Mrs Clinton sabotaged her own self. I HOPE SHE GET’S THE LESSON!!
I sure do!
Posted by: Mary | June 6, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Mrs Clinton was not able to manage her campaign financial (30 millions in debt???)and thought she would be able to fix our economy…Please lady look for something else to do…go back to the senate…
Posted by: Jeniffer | June 6, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Wow, the hits keep coming and the media keeps selling tickets. There must be some way to stomp her to death, right? Some way? Well here’s my news. Democrats have sidelined women for years by long ago reducing them to one single issue: abortion. This year is no different. After rigging the primary process for its chosen one, the DNC is now reminds women that we must “unite” because John McCain is not “pro-choice.” True enough, he’s not. However, here’s the deal: I recognize the critical importance of Roe, BUT, as a woman and lifelong Democrat, I also refuse to be reduced to this single dimension. It means nothing to me if “Caroline” replaces Hillary Clinton with herself or the Stepford Hillary, Kathleen Sebelius. I am sick of the DNC telling me that they have me on the “supreme court/roe v. wade leash.” I am cutting the leash this year. You get no money from me. No support for your pre-fab candidate who repeatedly played the race-baiting card (yes Michelle did) to your deafening silence. DNC: you do not get my vote. Don’t ever threaten me again with your supreme court “coat hanger.” Nancy P. — I just burned my leash! LIberated from the DNC.
Posted by: Mandelay3 | June 6, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Wow, the hits keep coming and the media keeps selling tickets. There must be some way to stomp her to death, right? Some way? Well here’s my news. Democrats have sidelined women for years by long ago reducing them to one single issue: abortion. This year is no different. After rigging the primary process for its chosen one, the DNC is now reminds women that we must “unite” because John McCain is not “pro-choice.” True enough, he’s not. However, here’s the deal: I recognize the critical importance of Roe, BUT, as a woman and lifelong Democrat, I also refuse to be reduced to this single dimension. It means nothing to me if “Caroline” replaces Hillary Clinton with herself or the Stepford Hillary, Kathleen Sebelius. I am sick of the DNC telling me that they have me on the “supreme court/roe v. wade leash.” I am cutting the leash this year. You get no money from me. No support for your pre-fab candidate who repeatedly played the race-baiting card (yes Michelle did) to your deafening silence. DNC: you do not get my vote. Don’t ever threaten me again with your supreme court “coat hanger.” Nancy P. — I just burned my leash! LIberated from the DNC.
Posted by: Mandelay3 | June 6, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Democrats being mean to each other during a primary? LOL Get over it. It’s over and it’s done and both Clinton and Obama want what is best for the party of democratic voters in this country. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Time to move along, the show is over.
Posted by: Brian | June 6, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Michigan was an illegitimate primary. Clinton ran essentially unopposed in a Primary that was not going to count, and it was agreed to by all of the candidates not to count. Hillary Clinton’s top surrogates sat on the rules committees and voted to strip both states of their delegation. Senator Clinton wasn’t outraged when she signed the contract. Hillary Clinton was not entitled to any delegates out of MI or FL. Now, I actually wish Senator Obama didn’t compromise at all on this issue.
The level of ignorance exhibited in these comments is frightening and underscores the fact that we have an ill informed citizenry that can’t function effectively in a democracy.
The people with the least will vote against their own self interests, their own survival, because of misinformation and mass email character smears not grounded in facts.
The notion that anyone making less that $100.00 a year would consider voting for McCain is a clear indication that our democracy is dangerously weak and the fourth estate is not doing its job to properly educate and inform the public. ABC News is among the worst offenders.
Posted by: Deborah | June 6, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
You can call me a racist all you want, but the REAL racists are the Democrats who keep the blacks dependant on welfare handouts and mired in poverty. The GOP is the party of opportunity!
Posted by: Aviva | June 6, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
The debate over Obama’s Church is reminiscent of the backlash to the Civil Rights Movement by southern whites or the refusal to accept the Court decision that allowed for desegregation, thus leading to the showdown in 1957 at Little Rock Cent. High School.Now all of the sudden religious conservatives are upset over what a preacher or reverend in a Christian Church has to say. For years religious conservatives have said, “How dare people question what goes on in Church,” they consistently scream “freedom of religion” when they come under attack for controversial statements from the pulpit. Now the tables have been magically reversed. Why? It might be the only political weapon in their arsenal. It might be the best they have to combat a potential Democratic candidate for the President of the United States. What theological hypocrites. What a show of contempt for the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech, and blatant use of fear of the black man in modern America. What a despicable display of a double standard this has turned out to be. This may scare the conservative agenda in the minds of rational Americans for a long time.
Posted by: JP | June 6, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Well I think the best evidence that the Clinton campaign was stirring the racial pot was Sen. Byrd’s reaction to Clinton’s West Virginia win. The next day he endorsed Sen. Obama. An as African American I admire Sen. Byrd. He could have reinforced Clinton’s racebaiting but he didn’t. Instead he chose to take the high road, unlike Gov. Rendell. Whites and blacks have worked too hard and too long to get past our racial divisions. There’s still work to be done on both sides (blacks and whites) but it was very unfortunate that Clinton chose to use fear and race to win PA – only slightly. Now we have a party divided. We desperately need to win the White House in November. If you don’t like Sen. Obama – fine. But please vote for the Democratic Agenda, the People’s Agenda because that’s what this election is all about – the People.
Posted by: RealDeal | June 6, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
LOL No debate over Obama’s church anymore rocket scientist. Over LOL move on to something that might give you a semblence of credibility when it comes to debate.
Geesh a dead horse is a dead horse is a dead horse……
Posted by: Brian | June 6, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Hillary Clinton Gets Some Presidential Advice
Hillary Clinton gets elected President and is spending her first night in the White House.
The ghost of George Washington appears, and Hillary says, “How can I best serve my country?”
Washington says, “Never tell a lie,”
Ouch! Says Hillary, I don’t know about that.
The next night, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson appears…Hillary says, “How can I best serve my country?”
Jefferson says, “Listen to the people,”
Oh! I really don’t want to do that.
On the third night, the ghost of Abe Lincoln appears…Hillary says, “How can I best serve my country?”
Lincoln says, “Go to the theater.”
Posted by: JP | June 6, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
‘”since the Clinton camp “has engaged in some very divisive tactics and rhetoric it should not have.”‘
_____________________
We all, blacks anyway, have known this all along and have also known this was the reason for many many of Clinton’s wins, especially Pennsylvania, Texas, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky and South Dakota. What do you think the reason for her losing the black vote so drastically? It’s too bad no one has mentioned this though. And the same with the gender card, she played it all throughout turning it on and off when and where she knew it would work for her. This is also the reason I felt Obama should not have ‘secretly’ met with her, giving her credence and false power. There is none. And if it weren’t for Rep. Rangel and others forcing her to concede she still would be seeing how to ‘divide and conquer’. And she probably still will. I think Obama has been too nice to her, treating her like the kid who you give everything to and the more you give the more they don’t appreciate but kick and scream for more and more, taking advantage of the kindness for weakness.
Too bad. I truly hope Obama doesn’t give in to her anymore. Enough is enough. They have met. He’s reached out, now leave her alone, Obama, you can get your own votes. And, those 18 million voters she keeps harping on and acting as if they are her children, well they are Americas voters, they are not ‘hers’ and she needs to stop using them and Obama needs to stop accepting her using them as a bargaining chip and tool and ragdoll.
Posted by: RuthieM | June 6, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Yavo: Thank you. Here I will repeat your words:
To: David HUSSEIN Alexander, and others among the benighted, this is where it stood, but for the DNC:
Total vote = 33,808,579 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total vote = 34,046,747 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Clinton = 17,090,391 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Obama = 16,956,356 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Diff. = +134,035 (Clinton) (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Pct. = +0.4 (Clinton) (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Clinton = 17,090,391 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Obama = 16,718,188 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Diff. = +372,203 (Clinton)
Total Pct. = +1.1009% (Clinton)
The above numbers are the actual vote totals from the NY Times web site, and compiled on my spreadsheet. The are up-to-date through 12:00 PM, June 4, 2008. Any errors are my own, and it would be appreciated if they would be pointed out, with support.
Further:
From my side-by-side Electoral Vote analysis of performance-based results:
Total Clinton Electoral Votes = 311
Total Obama Electoral Votes = 227
Total Electoral Votes needed to win the General Election = 270
Where it stands:
Total Obama PLEDGED DELEGATES = 1764 (includes Projected)
Total Clinton PLEDGED DELEGATES = 1640 (includes Projected)
Diff. Between candidates = 124
“Magic Number” for Nomination = 2118
Obama needs for Nomination = 354
Clinton needs for Nomination = 478
Total number of SUPERDELEGATES = 825 {vote at Convention ONLY)
Senator Obama, contrary to popular opinion has not won anything at this point, other than 1,764 PLEDGED DELEGATES, and since 2,118 are now needed for the Nomination, he is NOT the nominee in any shape or form. SUPERDELEGATES, and even PLEDGED DELEGATES, can change their minds at any time, and even the PLEDGED DELEGATES are not REQUIRED to vote for the specific candidate to whom they are pledged.
Posted by: Pt | June 6, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
This is garbage. The Rev. Wright incited tensions between Jews and Blacks with his incendiary comments, by giving awards to Louis Farrakhan and traveling to Libya with him, and by publishing HAMAS propaganda in the church newsletters. Al Sharpton incited tensions between Jews and Blacks with his always divisive statements and Obama’s military advisor Gen. Tony McPeak incited tensions by accusing the “Jews of Miami and New York” of manipulating American Foreign policy along with “Evangelical Christians” to bring about the biblical Apocalyptic prophecies of the Apostle John. What????? Now, Andrews, who lost, is inciting further tensions. Obama has enough problems based on his poor choice of friends and associates so that he does not need help from Mr. Andrews.
Posted by: Southern view | June 6, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Obama will never be an option for us …
Our conscience points us to MCCAIN if Hillary is not the nominee ..
The Democrats deserve to lose the White House is they put up Obama as their nominee …
Posted by: kerry | June 6, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Ruthie — Hillary didn’t “lose the black vote because her campaign was racially divisive.” She lost it because, with a few exceptions, all black people voted for the black man. We all know it…
Posted by: Cardsgal | June 6, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Obama wouldn’t know honesty if it jumped up and bit him…He’s nothing more than gutter trash.
He sat in the pews of a church and heard nothing in reference to his illustrious pastor that was derogatory……He realized how STUPID that sounded so, he launched this master speech that would set the record straight.. Even had the audacity(love this word) to tell US that WE had racial issues. I like that touch! I guess he would know coming from a racially charged atmosphere for two decades. Made this bit production of Hillary’s tax information which revealed nothing we didn’t already probably know. But, have received campaign contributions far exceeding their total 8 year gross income…Oh my goodness that one is crazy.
Took questionable donations from none other Tony Rezko……But was the only living soul in Chicago that didn’t know the dynamics associated to him. Didn’t know him still even though he sold you the house and lived right next door…… I love it!
Can’t be held responsible you were oblivious of everything that was going on around you. Receiving money from unregistered lobbyist, their families, as well as other business associates….. But, because they were unregistered it was OK……. Call that a little double standard wouldn’t you say? Didn’t understand the voting process while in the Senate and oops my Senate records mysteriously disappeared.. Yeah right! EVERYBODY is looking at him like maybe we have a nut loose.
He made this great BIG issue oh my god Hillary has embellished her trip to Bosnia she is not to be trusted…But you on the other hand…..This next one is one of my personal favorites he truly should be nominated for an award……….
Your father was airlifted into America by way of the Kennedy’s in 1959. Story brought a tear to my eye of how your parents were able to meet through the kindness of the Kennedy’s…….Unfortunately your father came here in 1960 the air lift had already occurred……So that says…. It never happened!
Posted by: kerry | June 6, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Hillary has a lot of class – but it’s all low. The nerve of her having herself introduced by her campaign manager as the “next president of the United States.” She has been trying to hog the limelight ever since her inglorious win. She deprived Obama of his chance to enjoy his moment. “WHAT DOES HILLARY WANT?” Well I don’t know what Hillary wants, but I, for one, would like to see her ugly face disappear from my TV screen forever.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Thanks for the Republican perspective, kerry. Meanwhile, we Dems will be voting for Obama, no matter who supported in the primary. Good luck!
Posted by: KateIsGreat | June 6, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
rhbate:
1962ottumwa, I think you asked what Spin Doctor, started the Muslim “rumoors” It was Obama himself. He wants to get the Muslim Votes and Black Muslims and other American Muslims like his “allegiance” however wink/wink it may appear to you. Do some checking on the internet and see, they are promoting Obama and registered Democrat, so think about it… those are voters and Obama wants all the votes he can get, while appearing not to be campaigning to Muslims… Yes he is.
Posted by: kerry | June 6, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
OBAMA’S CHANGING STORY ON REZKO: Chicago Sun-Times, March 16, 2008: For the first time, Sen. Barack Obama put a figure Friday to the amount of campaign contributions that indicted political fund-raiser Tony Rezko raised for the senator’s campaigns, and the number — about $250,000 — was far more than he previously acknowledged. Obama’s estimate exceeded his campaign staff’s previous estimates of Rezko’s fund-raising during Obama’s 12 years in politics. In November 2006, Obama’s staff estimated Rezko raised $50,000 to $60,000 over the senator’s career. In the last year, Obama’s campaign fund has given charities more than $157,600 in donations it linked to Rezko, his family, friends and business associates.
Posted by: kerry | June 6, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Southern view – not all Jews are Israelis. I’m Jewish and I support Obama and do NOT support the current government of Israel. Deal with it.
Posted by: Anne C. | June 6, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Uhh 08demo it’s seems Obama and ABC are saying
Anything and everything to discredit Hillary Clinton even when she’s getting ready to concede. You people are despicable. If anyone who has divided the Democratic Party is Obama by calling icons like the Clintons, Ed Rendell, Joe Bidden and Geraldine Ferraro racist. Who’s next? Told ya-so? That was a story from a disgruntled idiot who lost his primary. The told ya-so ought be how ABC is so bias against Clinton.
Posted by: MR | June 6, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Ruthie — Hillary didn’t “lose the black vote because her campaign was racially divisive.” She lost it because, with a few exceptions, all black people voted for the black man. We all know it…
Posted by: Cardsgal | Jun 6, 2008 2:53:50 PM
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And we all know that the black people voted over 90% for Bill in 92 and 96. We also know that black people have been voting for white men since they were given the vote in 1870. So, surprise, they vote for a black man for once.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Uhh 08demo it’s seems Obama and ABC are saying
Anything and everything to discredit Hillary Clinton even when she’s getting ready to concede. You people are despicable. If anyone who has divided the Democratic Party is Obama by calling icons like the Clintons, Ed Rendell, Joe Bidden and Geraldine Ferraro racist. Who’s next? Told ya-so? That was a story from a disgruntled idiot who lost his primary. The told ya-so ought be how ABC is so bias against Clinton.
Posted by: MR | June 6, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
The media loves to pick on Hillary but it has barely brought to light Obama’s many lies, exaggerations and embellishments. Here are just some of his many lies: 1) His parents met at the Selma march (in fact, he was born 4 years before Selma). 2) He was fluent in Indonesian as a child. 3) He was involved in a campaign against asbestos in public housing. 4) At age 9 he had a “racial awakening” when he read an article in “Life” (later he said in “Ebony”) which he described (no such article in either magazine). 5) He has exaggerated his role in immigration reform, housing policy and community organizing 6) He claims credit for passing nuclear leak legislation that never got out of committee. 7) He said the Kennedys funded his father’s migration from Kenya to America (a lie) (See L.A. Times article, 3-30) 8) He said lobbyists won’t work in his White House and later contradicted himself 9) He originally said he didn’t have knowledge of Rezko’s wrongdoing and not much of a relationship with him and that Rezko didn’t raise much money for him (later he revised all this) 10) He said he didn’t get contribution from oil companies (he did) 11) Obama contradicted himself about his knowledge of Rev. Wright’s troubling views. 12) In Obama’s books he has exaggerated, embellished (or invented) stories of his life… for example, this account (by one of his own supporters!) on one of his past jobs: … And there are more!
Posted by: kerry | June 6, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
rhbate:
1962ottumwa, I think you asked what Spin Doctor, started the Muslim “rumoors” It was Obama himself.
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And the proof for this is?
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
10 trillion in debt and who will ever believe republicans again
Posted by: george | June 6, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Father Was A Goat Herder – LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
Posted by: kerry | June 6, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
What’s happed at the Democratic Presidential Primary race was a true tragedy for Sen. Hillary Clinton and for our country. Democratic super-delegates have abandoned their role as party leaders, for the purpose they were exactly created for. They were paralyzed. Not being able to vote against Sen. Barack Obama, afraid it would be considered “racist” Democratic Party leaders and super-delegates have chosen Sen. Obama as their party’s nominee. But this is unfortunate because Sen. Obama can’t win against John McCain. It would be helpful to read “Vote by Numbers” 6-6-08 in the New York Times. It says, “If the general election were held today, Barack Obama would lose to John McCain, while Mr. McCain would lose to Mrs. Clinton.” I don’t think this situation is going to change. Democratic Super-delegates and the Media have helped to elect John McCain as our next president. We can look forward to a George Bush’s third term in November 08.
Posted by: charleychaplin | June 6, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
It is pathetic and rather revealing as to the state of mind of the American People; you gave Bush a second term, killing thousands of your young men and women and destroying your economy. You can’t see beyond race and your petty prejudices and rather that helping Obama to be elected, will ensure Bush of his third term putting the final nail in America’s coffin.
Posted by: Kenrick | June 6, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Why is ABC trying to float this story even though they know its nothing but innuendo and hasn’t been confirmed by anyone other than a disgruntled congressman? What about the way Obama’s strategy of race baiting towards the Clintons claiming anything she says is racist. WOW I’ve never seen anything like this,
Posted by: MR | June 6, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
I wonder would MLK agree with Mr. Obama Not!!, Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican
Posted by: GoUSA247 | June 6, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Thats no suprise. The Democrats are very racist and use the race card and every other group they can create as victims to vote for their eiltist party while their heart really is far removed from helping them
Posted by: asasd | June 6, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
RHBATE said :::> You’ve got that wrong; Iran should “obliterate” Israel. The sooner the better!
This is the type of scum that voted for Obama . Obama is going to lose in the biggest landslide in history
Posted by: dan man | June 6, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
The DNC has made the biggest mistake of it’s history nominating an extremist like barack.
Posted by: Libre | June 6, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Sounds like a disgruntled office seeker hiding behind ‘unnamed high ranking’ sources to make up some B S that he knows would only be too eagerly accepted by all the haters out there all to happy to accept lies like this.
Posted by: Sean | June 6, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Sounds like a disgruntled office seeker hiding behind ‘unnamed high ranking’ sources to make up some B S that he knows would only be too eagerly accepted by all the haters out there all to happy to accept lies like this.
Posted by: Sean | June 6, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
The whole group of obama’s friends and associattes are racists and black activists, so its absurd to blame somebody else of playing the race card. Obama divided the Democrat party, and will divide the country even more.
Posted by: Libre | June 6, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
This is the type of scum that voted for Obama . Obama is going to lose in the biggest landslide in history
Posted by: dan man | Jun 6, 2008 3:23:22 PM
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And you are the type of idiot who voted for Bush and/of Hillary that brought us the attack on Iraq with the loss of over 4000 American lives and over 800,000 Iraqi lives. You can either vote according to your racist views or vote for American interests.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Yeh..if Hillary runs as an independent
she has very good change to win in november.
Hillary/Hagel ’08
Posted by: Nicholas | Jun 6, 2008 11:42:35 AM
Hillary CANNOT run as an independent. The rules (Rule II.A.) specifically state that a party candidate (dem or rep) who loses their primary is INELIGIBLE to run as an independent.
Posted by: Kathleen | June 6, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Hillary is a big, fat egomaniac. Everything is about Hillary. And the gall to have her campaign manager introduce her as,”the next president of the United States,” just after she lost. She then asks,”What does Hillary want?” She doesn’t understand, the world is not about her. Well I, for one, want her to just disappear.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
I don’t think there really is any doubt in anyone’s mind that Hillary used race to her advantage. She was being blown out by a newcomer and did not make gains until the underhanded divide the country politics hit the airwaves and news blogs. That’s when she immediately started gaining wins especially in the south. The only reason she came as close as she did was because of her very calculated campaign tactics. I don’t think this article is to anyone’s surprise.
Posted by: dan | June 6, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
CLINTON IS A DISGRACE.
PERIOD.
Posted by: CAROLYN | June 6, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
I truly hope that Hillary shows she has the right stuff but coming out strong and slugging on the stump for Obama so that the Dems can take the White House. But something inside me finds it hard to believe that she will allow him the glory that she feels is rightfully hers. We will have to wait and see. From what I read here, many of her supporters are so angry they do not care what will happen to our country under McCain. Hillary can turn that around in a New York minute if she engages in an inspirational speech about the future of our country and embraces Obama. But what does Hillary want?
Posted by: Madeleine | June 6, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Oh C’mon people! Are very really going to believe this crap? If it doesn’t matter what people in Obama’s camp were intending ( Jeremiah Wright) Then it doesn’t matter what some rumor this guy is trying to start. This is for camera time, and exposure during a historic race. Let’s not forget that every person under the sun has made accusations about everyone in this campaign. It’s like high school all over again. Let’s look at the facts! On April 22, the election was in PA. She won the Catholic vote. The jewish vote didn’t play a factor.
Posted by: Ohplease! | June 6, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
If you look at the percentage of jewish population in each state, since the Pennsylvania primary, you will see that they are miniscule compared to the votes cast in favor of the candidates. This proves how the opportunist congressman, Rob Andrews, is looking for a job in the Obama administration, by trashing the Clintons with lies. This is another one of those lies, deliberately planned and dished out probably by the Obama campaign to pull another punch on the Clintons, so that she falls in line and pimps around for votes from her supporters to make him the president. Kerry’s posts surely have some merits in them. The democratic party has been ambushed and the elected opportunist party leaders have embraced the scam.
Posted by: Rick | June 6, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
The Dirty little Hillary is now coming clear to All America! Do we want this racist anywhere near the White House. What is wrong with you people who support her. She is all about her own power and clinging to that immoral husbnd of hers for the power. We can do better America or we will perish for we cannot endure much more lying immoral garbage out of Washington!
Posted by: rockychance | June 6, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Also, what about Obama’s campaign printing out fliers in Ohio that distorted Hillarys positions.
Posted by: jimbo | Jun 6, 2008 3:51:18 PM
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This is just another “unsubstantiated” story as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
HILLARY AS A VP FOR OBAMA IS THE SAME AS BRUTUS AS BEST BUD FOR CAESAR.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Hillary is a big, fat egomaniac. Everything is about Hillary. And the gall to have her campaign manager introduce her as,”the next president of the United States,” just after she lost. She then asks,”What does Hillary want?” She doesn’t understand, the world is not about her. Well I, for one, want her to just disappear.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
McCain has no chance whatsoever! He is tied in to the idiot who has taken our country into the toilet with his foreign policy and his immigration policy, not to mention his favoritism to the rich. Nationalize the oil companies and soak the rich-let not them hide a dime of equity!
Posted by: rockychance | June 6, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT – - – IN THE YEAR 2084
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
fomr the trinity website where he was a member for 20 years….
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian… Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain “true to our native land,” the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
that’s enough to put off jews, whites, hispanics, eskimos, asians, native americans and even some blacks….
Posted by: XTRA1XTRA2 | June 6, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
To my fellow Obama supporters, you have to realize that the HRC supporters are hurting and they are lashing out at anyone and anything in order to make sense of their candidates loss to a relatively unknow first term senator.
Nobody predicted that when Obama announce his intentions to run as President that he would defeat the Clinton name and machine.
Notice that most of the posts are filled with their personal feelings and have very little factual information to back their claims of sexism, of unfair treatment directly attributed to Obama.
Posted by: Big Ace | June 6, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
When it was Texas it was the Latino Vs Blacks, when it was Ohio they would not vote for a black man for President, with West Va-KY it was hard working white workers -not hard working (Americans-Blacks Latinos,Jews,etc).So why is it so hard to believe? There was lies of sexism,racism what ever the media would grab onto, because no one had the guts to tell the Clintons they need to stop. She constantly tried to change the rules to suit her. She couldn’t stand the heat in the kitchen. And nothing worked. She did everything she could to feed her ego. She had a faulty plan. God also had a plan. She does not have 18 million supporters anymore, her behavior killed that. She will not stop . Ignore the racist and hateful comments from ignorant people.That is their WEAKNESS. They are using these to conquer and divide. But we have already showed them. Look at MR. OBAMA. Stay strong and positive. God bless Obama and his family. OBAMA 08
Posted by: Jocelyn | June 6, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
“IT WAS HARD – WORKING AMERICAN -WHITE AMERICANS, WHO ARE MY CORE BASE OF SUPPORT”
Saying this, she dissed Native Americans, Asian-Americans, African-Americans, Eskimos and a host of others.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
….since the Clinton camp “has engaged in some very divisive tactics and rhetoric it should not have.”
And this surprises anyone..how????
Posted by: Lucky | June 6, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Yavo: Thank you. Here I will repeat your words:
To: David HUSSEIN Alexander, and others among the benighted, this is where it stood, but for the DNC:
Total vote = 33,808,579 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total vote = 34,046,747 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Clinton = 17,090,391 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Obama = 16,956,356 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Diff. = +134,035 (Clinton) (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Pct. = +0.4 (Clinton) (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Clinton = 17,090,391 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Obama = 16,718,188 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Diff. = +372,203 (Clinton)
Total Pct. = +1.1009% (Clinton)
The above numbers are the actual vote totals from the NY Times web site, and compiled on my spreadsheet. The are up-to-date through 12:00 PM, June 4, 2008. Any errors are my own, and it would be appreciated if they would be pointed out, with support.
Further:
From my side-by-side Electoral Vote analysis of performance-based results:
Total Clinton Electoral Votes = 311
Total Obama Electoral Votes = 227
Total Electoral Votes needed to win the General Election = 270
Where it stands:
Total Obama PLEDGED DELEGATES = 1764 (includes Projected)
Total Clinton PLEDGED DELEGATES = 1640 (includes Projected)
Diff. Between candidates = 124
“Magic Number” for Nomination = 2118
Obama needs for Nomination = 354
Clinton needs for Nomination = 478
Total number of SUPERDELEGATES = 825 {vote at Convention ONLY)
Senator Obama, contrary to popular opinion has not won anything at this point, other than 1,764 PLEDGED DELEGATES, and since 2,118 are now needed for the Nomination, he is NOT the nominee in any shape or form. SUPERDELEGATES, and even PLEDGED DELEGATES, can change their minds at any time, and even the PLEDGED DELEGATES are not REQUIRED to vote for the specific candidate to whom they are pledged.
Posted by: Pt | June 6, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
The Zionists tried to completely destroy Lebanon, and almost succeeded. If it were not for Hizbollah they would have succeeded. Why is that the American taxpayer continues to support these warmongers who, in violation of UN treaty, common decency and the terms on which they received these, from the US, used cluster bombs on schools, masjids, apartment buildings etc.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Never little o! It’s not even him it’s his crazy suporters that scare the heck out of me. Be an individual not a robot. Do something to make yourself bettter. Gov’t won’t fix your sorry life only you can do that. Get a life. No vote here. Those booths are for fools.
Posted by: mc | June 6, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
It’s been obvious for sometime that someone or ones were driving a wedge between Jews and blacks, Hispanics and blacks and any race they could dream of.
Posted by: notsurprised | June 6, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Its is about time for someone with honor to take the reigns at the White House. I think Obama should take Colin Powell as his running mate. These seem to be the only two people in memorable history besides Jimmy Carter that actually have had scruples/morals in American politics.
Whatever he does he should steer well clear from Hilary Clinton and Condoleeza Rice.
Posted by: Brammy | June 6, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
I am NOT a republican…well, let me correct that….I just switched by affiliation…because I among thousands of others believe that McCain IS the best bet for this country after Clinton! I would never vote for man who wants to take down all of our military defenses, cut the military and talk to countries that hate our guts! These items make me realize that Obama is not a credible candidate but is a VERY DANGEROUS ANTI-AMERICAN!! ANYONE WHO THINKS THERE WILL BE PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS NUTS!! THESE PEOPLE LIVE BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAT “NORMAL” GOD FEARING PEOPLE!! ANY GROUP THAT WOULD STRAP BOMBS TO THEMSELVES TO KILL OTHER PEOPLE AND TRULY BELEIVE THAT THEY WILL SEE ALLAH AND GET HOW MANY VIRGINS? ARE NOT GOING TO BELEIVE ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT HATE FOR ANY CHRISTIAN!!!THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND ANYONE WHO VOTES FOR OBAMA IS AS DEFECTIVE AS THESE PEOPLE!! INCLUDING OBAMA!!!!
Posted by: micha | June 6, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
O please. There is so much Clinton bashing around. And enough Obama slams too. The conservative press can hardly throw enough mud!
Posted by: Mike Guilford | June 6, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
How stupid can we as voters be?
the man himself writes a book where he exposes his racist leanings and people still argue that he is a faultless man with no racist leanings.
PLEASE at least prepare yourself BEFORE the election amd READ Obama’s book “Dreams From My Father.”
Eye opener-and sure disgusted me.
If a man of any other race would have peend that book he would have been dumped on his…ear-by his party.
Posted by: paynts | June 6, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Obama 08!
We need a democrat a real democrat in the White House this year
Obama 08!
Someone new and fresh and able to ignite hope and passion back to the presidency
Obama 08!
The republicans and George Bush have driven our country into the ditch. We need a party that is concerned about ordinary people, because if the bush tax breaks were so helpful why is this economy struggling now? I respect McCain but too much of his foreign policy will keep us at odds with the world and he basically has nothing to help health care and the economy.
Obama 08!
Obama may have flaws, but what human doesn’t.Give him 4 to eight years and if he doesn’t make a better difference than hire another republican, but at least give the man a chance.
Obama 08!
Did I also mention that his election as president would be historic and it would show more of the growth of this country. 50 years ago Obama would have been forced to sit at the back of the bus! He would have had to sit in colored only places and drink from colored only water fountains!
Obama 08!
Martin Luther King had a dream.
Obama 08!
America is the land of the free and the home of the brave
Obama 08!
Every American counts
Obama 08!
Dare to Dream!
Obama 08!
Posted by: TV | June 6, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Look who is talking!
He is trying to forget about his own loss.
Dems were right to not chose that guy as their rep.
Andrews is a loser.
Posted by: antoine1118 | June 6, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
For the following:
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How stupid can we as voters be?
the man himself writes a book where he exposes his racist leanings and people still argue that he is a faultless man with no racist leanings.
PLEASE at least prepare yourself BEFORE the election amd READ Obama’s book “Dreams From My Father.”
Eye opener-and sure disgusted me.
If a man of any other race would have peend that book he would have been dumped on his…ear-by his party.
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I don’t believ e that one person in America has not been exposed to racism whether as the perpetrator or the victim. The key is rising above it.
Yes I read his book and it seems to me that this man is trying to rise above it and heal woounds that cause discussions like these on this board and many others on the internet to be so prevelant.
Bt of course again Huckabees assination jokes and Hard Working white people, even as adults, is acceptable speech for our leaders right?
Posted by: Brammy | June 6, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
The war will never be “done” no matter who gets in the WH….if you believe that I have a used yardstick for $80.00!! Our main concern at this time, is the economy!! People cannot pay $150/wk for gas! The Congress is the problem! They have done nothing to help the average “Joe” and now the Congress wants to tax us up the “ying-yang”! And what programs are their priority? Take from middle income so that they can give to the poor…then the middle income will become poor…if Congress was so concerned about this country then Nancy Pelosi alone, would be building her car door parts in buildings in the US and not France and China…is anyone aware that Pelosi and her husband sell their car door parts for EVERY CAR MADE!! AND NOT IN THE USA!!So much for the horsesh!t that comes out of Congress!! I am voting republican for the first time in my adult life and so are millions of us, so that there will be an equal balance in the Congress!! No one party should control the Congress and the WH. That’s where there will be some controls! My advice is to beware Obama’s words..he changes them to suit the situation!! He is a story teller!
Posted by: micha | June 6, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Again: Hillary math…What Ann coulter forgot to mention was that OPbama’s name was not even on the Michigan ballot and the margin was on 300k votes less than 25%. Have you really bought in to the fact that NO ONE in Mich would have voted for OBama had they not violated DNC rules? YIKES!!! More people decided not to vote for anyone than to vote for Hillary due to that little oversight.
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Ann Coulter really nailed it, Obambi is selected not elected. Hill won the most votes and they took it away from her. It’s Al Gore/2000 all over again, except the Democrats did it to themselves.
Also reminds me of Mugabe stealing the election in Zimbabwe.
Anyway, Michelle Obama’s Whitey rant tape would have done the job if Wright and Pfleiger hadn’t in ensuring a Mac landslide in November!
Posted by: Brammy | June 6, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Israel will fall. Nations have come and gone quicker than 60 yrs, so its not out of the question that Israel could be (and will be) demolished
Posted by: Citizen in Florida | Jun 6, 2008 4:30:15 PM
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The so-called state of Israel is a fiction created by the Western nation because they did not want those people in their own countries, so they gave the Jews land they did not own. Ever since, the Zionists have been trying to steal all the Arab land they can. I am against the use of nuclear weapons but why is it OK for the Zionists to have them and not the Arabs. If you want to see how treacherous these people really are, google: USS Liberty.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
This article is a non-issue. He didn’t provide any details.
I do think, however, that it was very “unclassy” of the Clinton camp to distribute the pic of Obama trying on Somolian clothes-like a tourist-to make him look like some kind of underground Islamic terrorist.
Posted by: Justme | June 6, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
“IT WAS HARD – WORKING AMERICAN -WHITE AMERICANS, WHO ARE MY CORE BASE OF SUPPORT”
Saying this, she dissed Native Americans, Asian-Americans, African-Americans, Eskimos and a host of others.
Posted by: rhbate | June 6, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
If you want to see how treacherous these people really are, google: USS Liberty.
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I dont need to google anything. I know that the USS Liberty was bombed purposely by the dirty Israeli’s. Its a known fact. Israel is not an friend of the US, they have killed the US citizens, they have spied on the US (multiple times), the diddle with US politics (AIPAC), and of course the USS Liberty -
Really, this ish makes me angry and sick.
Posted by: Citizen in Florida | June 6, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
I’m not a high ranking anything in either campaign and I can look at the historical relationship and see what there was going to be a divide between the Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, Asians – every culture has their own initial reaction to someone who is not from their culture.
I don’t think that it takes any high-level mastermind to remember the old war saying – the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Soften the language, put it in context of a political campaign and there ya have it.
Posted by: Brent | June 6, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Bt of course again Huckabees assination jokes and Hard Working white people, even as adults, is acceptable speech for our leaders right?
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Sorry I have no idea what you meant by “Hard Working white people, even as adults, is acceptable speech for our leaders right?” means.
I know I got a totally different view than YOU did after reading his book..he is not moving away from racism but he embraces it. I honestly believe he is a racist..in the very basic meaning of the word.
Sorry-no way I will cast my vote for him.
Hello McCain!..not my choice before,but now anyone BUT Barack looks pretty good.
Posted by: paynts | June 6, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
LOL!! That was in reference to Hucakbees comment that someone stumbling over furniture in the background as he gave a speech was Barack Obama basically dodging an assasination attempt. RHBATE has posted hillary Hard-Working white people comment in the thread several times which offended a host of voters.
Personally I would have been offended if I were in WV when she said that educated, elite and blacks would vote for Obama but she could count on them to vote for her which is where the HArd working white people speeh was made…. inciting racism.
Glad you’re voting for whoever.
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Sorry I have no idea what you meant by “Hard Working white people, even as adults, is acceptable speech for our leaders right?” means.
I know I got a totally different view than YOU did after reading his book..he is not moving away from racism but he embraces it. I honestly believe he is a racist..in the very basic meaning of the word.
Sorry-no way I will cast my vote for him.
Hello McCain!..not my choice before,but now anyone BUT Barack looks pretty good.
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Posted by: Brammy | June 6, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
People you should all be alarmed at the subterfuge and secrecy surrounding the meeting between Clinton and Obama. These people are not yet in power and already they are holding “secret” meetings! Isn’t this government “For the people and by the people” With these goings on I don’t think so..
Posted by: Valerie Tarantolo | June 6, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Hey y’all
I tried to tell you guys that Barack and Hillary met privately one-on-one last night to discuss how they would move to respect and unite their supporters and move on against John Mccain in Nov but for some reason the author of this blog blocked my post. I hope this one gets through.
Posted by: AnotherLaura | June 6, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Okay, so now tht I know I can get teh blog through: Sen Diane Feinstein indicated that Hillary and Barack’s one-on-one meeting seemed to have been civil and productive and that she even heard shared laughter from them. If these two candidates can “bury the hatchet” and put aside the slights and grievances of this campaign in order tofurther their common goals, I suggest their supporters be “suck it up”, calm down and follow their candidate’s lead to put aside slights and grievances (real and perceived) and support this campaign so our voices can still be heard and respected.
Posted by: AnotherLaura | June 6, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
I see the media is at it again – stirring up hate – the Obama -nuts will attack Hill & Bill and the Hillabots will fight back and not vote for Obama – a guess what? the media’s real darling – McCain will become president.
Posted by: Anti-Media | June 6, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Yavo, Pt: Your popular vote totals are wrong. (1) No one knows the vote in FL and MI if they had not broke the rules intentionally. These two were early in the primary. The candidates did not campaign in them. That gives a huge advantage to an incumbent (or in this case, someone that is very well known). Up to that point, every state the two candidates campaigned in, Obama increased his numbers and Clinton decreased her numbers. So no one knows what the true total would have been. (2)The numbers you are using actually come from AP. In four of the caucus states, the AP reported the number of delegates selected by the people and not the actual vote. It was footnoted on the NT Times site. For example, it shows in Iowa that Obama received 940 votes, Edwards 744, and Clinton 737, and 80 spread among other candidates. This would imply that Clinton lost by 203 votes (using your numbers). But these are the number of delegates selected by the votes of the people. I am from Iowa. The precinct I attended had about 750 people attending. Obama had about 425 real votes, Clinton had about 210 votes, and Edwards about 115 votes. Since our precinct had 7 delegates to select for the county convention, 4 went to Obama, 2 went to Clinton, and 1 went to Edwards. However, if you look at the actual votes in our precinct, Clinton lost by about 215 votes (one neighborhood precinct). Now spread that across the entire state and you see Obama is not getting credit for the large number of real votes over Clinton. There are three other states reported in the AP numbers the same way. If you want to see the best estimate at the popular vote, go to RealClearPolitics.com that factors all this in several ways to see the impact.
Posted by: MikeMo1947 | June 6, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Brammy. Pt: It does not matter who had the most popular vote. The popular vote has NEVER determined the party candidate for president and NEVER has it determine who wins the general election in November. The founders of our nation set up a method of determining the winner of the presidential election that is not based on the popular vote. The winner is the person with the most votes from the Electoral College in the general election. Both republican and democrat parties use a similar method by determining the winner by delegate votes. Obama is ahead of Clinton on delegates selected “by the people.” Clinton’s only chance to win was to convince most of the super delegates to vote for her. However, most went with the candidate that the people had selected delegates for. Quit talking about a factious way of selecting our president. If you don’t like the method, then start a Constitution Amendment to change it.
Posted by: MikeMo1947 | June 6, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Since Obama is talking with her ,how does Hillary have the whole world in her hands as one person states and can “make or break “Obama’s campaign .If that was the case she would have been the nominee. She couldn’t win because her team was not smart enough. Now where does this magical power for Hillary come from now-I say Obama needs to stay away from her. Let her supporters make their own decisions because she IS OUT!!- Hillary supporters must DECIDE how they want their families to live in the next 4 years. Do they want their jobs or not. And are you fine with the price of gas and food. Because Hillary is a millionaire and she does not care how you live because she will be doing fine. How can Hillary supporters be so blind as to let their families go in the toilet to make a millionaire feel powerful.
Posted by: lowes4321 | June 6, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
As far as Hillary Clinton goes I believe what the bible says: to paraphrase-I will always choose a humble apprentice than a skilled rebel. Hillary cannot be trusted on any level. And it will always be “what’s in it for me “and you must always watch your back.
Posted by: lowes4321 | June 6, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Just because you don’t like the message, don’t blame the messenger!!Oh, like the American people already didn’t know the Clintons are scandalous people.
Posted by: FrigidWeather | June 6, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
the Clinton’s are scandalous people and American knows it!!!
Posted by: FrigidWeather | June 6, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Another rat comes out of hiding. Another worm slithers out from under the rocks. Another opportunist comes out seeking a job from Obama. Another greed monger starts his campaign to write a tell all book.
Stomp out the rats, worms, opportunists and greed mongers. Stomp out this creep and CNN creeps too for tabloid journalism.
Posted by: Wild | June 6, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
It is possible Rep. Andrews of NJ did not feel safe to speak up till Hillary is clearly defeated.
This is similar to those uncommitted superdelegates that did not endorse Obama till after the last primary. The power of the Clinton dynasty is so huge that some politicians did not want to have their political career killed short.
This drives home a question.
Should we extend the presidential term limit of two terms to include the immediate family members of the president?
Had we had this Constitutional Amendment, no family will have such an overpowering influence ever again. Then freedom of speech will shine again.
Electing any Clinton or Bush for a high office will stall American democracy.
Vote Democracy! Let’s remember why so many of us had died for it.
Posted by: JC | June 6, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
Christians & Muslims don’t need to fight. All western countries including the United States of America protect Israel for this reason. Time for the truth!
The Truth
What do all of us! Of every nationality, race & culture have in common? We all are human; experience the same feelings & surroundings. The basic external fundamentals in life are three elements known as the third dimension. Fuel, Oxygen & Heat! All plant, animal & human life is made of this element. Also known as Fire. But all life forms internally are also 90% water! ( Spirit ). Spirit also contains three elements. Which are the sensations of Mind, Heart & Soul. (These are the six elements which are used to form the Star of David in the Jewish religion.)
Water can only occur on Earth as the further away you go from the sun it freezes & the closer you go it evaporates! The human spirit of mind & heart is true spirit while the human external has the same characteristics as fire which is the learning process for each individual. All living creatures will naturally experience negative aspects in life but the heart, mind & soul can overcome these hurdles like mankind has to Earth. This evolution is natural for mankind’s spirit like a child attending school.
Before trade & money, people worked hard as a group or pack to obtain basic food needs to live life. Why is this case? Because each individual pack of humans loved & supported each other when hunting for prey, an emotional interjoining pack that would die for each other in order to survive. The male would hunt food for the pack or tribe due to his superior physical stature while the female would comfort the family spiritually and attend to her children’s needs. This was the age of Man.
The age of man is currently operating under the strongest symbol of life which is pyramidal. Man continue to operate under a triangular or pyramidal operational system but on much broader world terms where World banks, Presidents & Prime ministers of Governments, Kings & Queens, Tribal elders & Chiefs control the general public where the bottom supports the top & the top support the bottom in direction. This is the age of man. The Armed services, Law enforcement & even all political & sporting teams all have a leader under this system. Now, we as humans are becoming increasing individual in our ethics and needs. This is what private business or enterprise brings to all people of all cultures. With the computer age we are approaching the age of women.
The information is set in stone at Egypt in the Pyramids! (Triangular shape with four sides representing North, East, South & West). This is why America & other nations protect Israel; their flag has the Star of David as this was the birthplace of such beliefs. The Jewish belief is that the Star of David represents mankind. A six pointed star with a triangle (pyramid) pointing upwards, (representing the age of man No 6, six derived from Fuel, Oxygen, Heat, Mind, Heart & Soul. 50% good & 50% bad, like the Ying & the Yang in Chinese culture) & a triangle pointed downwards (representing the age of women, No 9). The numbers of 6 & 9 means man mirrors women. Like our D.N.A or Genes. The triangle of the women upside down also represents her womb & rebirthing of energy! We are right at the cusp of these to energy’s meeting. The age of women is technology, ability to obtain the knowledge of D.N.A, cloning & electrical systems as well as having the ability to defeat the environment & reach space through the hard work and labour of all man over time. Men are currently beating this domain on earth of Fire by spiritually thinking of each other & a higher God, no matter what the race or religion.
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Why do I mention the Jews! Well, numbers and language are information to the stars! Money & education produces production for all. Have people noticed that all first world countries language are predominately English, which is the most advanced alphabetic language. This has changed with the introduction of money to all other nations. We are all similar in our operations at this point. There are numerous secret organisations and legitimate ones which are not public knowledge which is a form of control like International banks, 322, Illuminati group elite 13 and certain lodges!
The distrubutation of the money should be fair for all people of all countries no matter what line of work they choose to take. I admit, the Management of any Bank, Country or business should receive more money, but just evenly distributed for the people in there area. For example, If a person was a employed as a cleaner or labourer, (And didn’t own the business!), they would be unable to financially support a wife and child while attempting to educate themselves for an improved working position and emotionally support his wife. He is working just like all of us! All citizens of their particular country should have shares invested in the country’s wealth in order to obtain assets for the working individual.
There are two main Laws when dealing with the logistics of Law, trade and money! Law of Land (which is each individual countries Law) & Law of the Sea. (Trade & shipping or boating routes). All world Banks operate under Law of the Sea! This enables them to ascertain own laws over land countries. Certain family’s which privately operated the BANKS of the river or sea of their country for trade became rich during thousands of years & had the fundamentals in place to commence banking organisations for the people of several countries. This enabled the Banks to form a physical domination of man using Law of the Sea, and in time demanded they achieve what was system was in front of them. This was the knowledge of numbers.
Today, Banks control the stability of the global economy to obtain control over each individual & eventually every country to achieve a one world economy which is based on money & money only. Every separate individual countries culture will change forever if this trend continues. All countries should keep their culture & religion as all countries are different. We can still treat individual countries like family. We as people will lose all respect for each other in order to obtain personal greed if all nations are combined for financial wealth without assisting the individuals on the bottom of the triangle. World Business (Private or Government) is established on exactly the same principle of pyramid or triangular operation.
All religions were formed 2000 years ago speaking of this Truth! Sun-worship is where humans obtained knowledge (Calender rotation of Sun around earth, Time). Firstly the Mayan calendar and then the Jewish calendar. Egyptians then to Rome. Reverse Live & you receive evil. The Christian bible even states that this is Satan’s domain in Eden where the serpent dwells with Knowledge! (Earth). This is our external energy of fire.
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Our internal energy of water or spirit requires discipline from our external surroundings in order learn efficiently. With the entrance of computers to our world, unfortunately, people will lose the ability to communicate face to face. We all must maintain our physical contact with each other in communication in order to save world society as we know it.
Christians also believe in the cup of Christ which is water as spirit or positive energy. The Sun is just a birth star for all people on Earth. We all have the same external characteristics as the Sun which is negative & destructive like fire but have the internal characteristics of Water which is positive energy & creative! Just like a battery as we all know! The Sun is the Son of God which is a young star compared to the others. (The others star consolations being God in energy). Earth is a birth star, like hot lava turns to cold rock the human spirit develops from body & soul when born to pure spirit at death.
This is why the Roman’s used the cross to kill there criminals!! Too represent the positive water energy of the internal soul, while the external energy of fire is destructive, which is our external surroundings our internal spirit of water lives for life, love & communication of others. Why do we find it so hard to admit that the physical factors of life which are negative make a direct impact on our individual emotional state of minds?
The age of Man adapts to common sense or grounded earthly knowledge while the age of women adapts to starry energy or spiritual thinking. Womankind made the pyramids for mankind to reset! With use of laser cut equipment & technology. Mankind & Womankind are God! It’s a natural evolution from one to the other! Man & Women are software while the Earth (Female) & Sun (Male) is our hardware. We are all zero point energy in learning! We all must physically experience bad circumstances mixed with our interpretation of good times spiritually to others, to appreciate & know the good within all of us to help others. Both Male & Female all need a physical & spiritual partner in life for support and direction in life emotionally. Being a parent & producing children is the direction of Mankind, All parents know this is there greatest gift. Unfortunately, money has distorted people’s values when dealing with family or friends.
We all must think of the different circumstances that each and everyone of us are in at any given time. It is in our nature to become competitive when speaking or doing something we believe in and receiving a negative comment for something we refuse to believe in. We must think positive. Man can’t be judgemental or jealous of any ones predicament, as this is a curse in itself.
Human kind has excelled to the point were all living things on earth are relying on us to change. We are currently doing an exceptional job in recycling man made materials like plastic & metals. The world wide population has realised that the greenhouse effect is true, with all the artificial chemicals & pollution currently in the atmosphere, due to our consumption of oil & fuel. Now is the time to slow down in what we are experiencing and take a step back. There are a number of alternative fuels which might not be as volatile as fuel, like electricity, but this could also run a vehicle equivalent distances.
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The current culture in the western countries is that it is alright to become a gay or lesbian! This is not natural. This is an individual branch of thinking and idealist in every way. A man & man or women & women can love each other emotionally without physically touching the same sex for pleasures. This is a physical form of love which is currently being confused with spiritual ethics! (No Common Sense). A male’s direction in life is to have a family, protect the family, and provide love & wealth for the family. Obviously, a Females direction is similar, Women are stronger in there spiritual direction of the family, and are, closer to their offspring which is why they give birth! (But physically lack certain qualities of man.) With the entrance of same sex relationships to our society, it will confuse the younger generation of their direction in life. Same sex couples can practice what they want, but not force this belief onto children or society. This is why they should not be able to adopt or become artificial parents via artificial insemination. Don’t get me wrong! They might love each other but children deserve the right to have a male & female figure in their life emotionally for the correct direction in life. In order to have same sex relationships, it needs to be accepted by every society world wide or their will be constant division. Love is what the child requires, same sex or Male Female, but again same sex relationships are not natural to a human being. Did we get to where we are today by same sex relationships. In the birth of children! I think that all people do have their own belief systems, and they deserve that. No matter what positive religion they believe in, but man is not God. We might think we are by what we have achieved but we have achieved this by believing in a higher presence other than ourselves. We must all respect & appreciate each other, no matter what skin colour or physical appearance. Sex can be used just to dominate. It’s a tool of power over the other. This is why animals when young jump on another of the same sex as it doesn’t know the consequences until the dominated one will fight back as it is not natural.
The human eye receives 75% of physical sensation! Heat, Fuel & oxygen are represented by ¾ of our three main elements of physical interaction. (Like our other 25% is a representation of our spiritual sensors. When we move on after life the sensations swap. 75% are spiritual with the other 25% what we experienced in life after learning. Our love & joy of all things multiply. If all nations & races conducted similar beliefs, respecting the spiritual beliefs of individuals, religions & country’s, all world conflict would not occur. This system would be a cubed or square! With an operational system with a number of personnel on a board of Governments, (instead of an individual leader) the organisation of any government would be harder for one person to manipulate. Including & especially the banking sectors. All men & women would operate under a 100% ability to understand others & equal in their standing of all citizens. The bottom would continue to support the top but on equal standards. A representation of four direct sensors. All man & women equal in life & learning.
We require Law in this world for the sole purpose of what would happen if this was not available. The external circumstances of life which are negative would overtake what each & every civilisation ever created. Law works for the benefit of every individual world wide.
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I’m Australian! This is the first country in the world to adopt the Multicultural practice for business. This has caused defragmentation of our countries society. We have always been multicultural since the first fleet arrived in 1788. This was originally aboriginal land. We as a country did an excellent job recently in apologising to them for the land we took. I have noticed, other nationalities claiming that they can practice and say whatever they like as it is what they practice in their home country. This is understandable. Every country deserves there own identity & culture. Australia’s culture is every countries culture supported by money. Australians are traditional convicts from England. With the convicts being of all different nationalities. With the computer age, the time zone in Australia is the first to see a new day; this encourages major business to financially operate from these shores. This is why we are multicultural. We do appreciate other nationalities in this country; they have made an outstanding contribution to this country. It will take time for us to realise that we are all one people. We must respect each other at all times.
All people of all cultures should not indulge in any drug which is naturally grown or man made which deliberately alters someone’s state of mind. This takes away what respect they can offer other people while under the influence of the substance. Man made drugs for medication of a medical condition is alright, just as long as it is on a temporary basis or required to support the life of the individual.
We all need love and respect for each other! All cultures & religions. But the direction we are taking, (using money via International private business and not returning the wealth to the people of individual countries equally & fairly) we will all feel the extreme heat when the truth surfaces. Unfortunately, respect is not occurring in modern society due to the different views people hold. All people on earth will become selfish & individual in order to obtain money if this trend continues!
We are all Jewish now, but not when we pass! Man God will never reach the heights of God.
A skilful solider is not violent! An able fighter does not rage! A mighty conqueror does not give battle! A great commander is a humble man.
Posted by: Matthew | June 6, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
This article is a perfect example of how to divide the Democratic Party even further and in the process, help McCain in his quest for the presidency. I have felt all along that the media were trying to foment discard among the Democrats making it easier for McCain. It is time for Dem’s to put down their swords. Obama has won the nomination…forget the rancor which will only bring defeat!
Posted by: Two-cats | June 6, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Wild, I agree with you. Let’s stomp out the rats in the tabloid media by telling them that we are on to them!
Posted by: Two-cats | June 6, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
It amazes me how some people can post over the 2,000 words. As a Jewish person, I can SAY WITH CERTAINTY I trust Obama with all my heart and soul. I believe he is a Godsend to our people.
Posted by: ChayaFradle | June 7, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Wait. Is this the same old stuff we have heard the whole time? Why must people bring up the possible negatives involved in the rumors and instead bring up the positives? Why see the glass as half empty? It’s much more FULL than empty, to me.
Posted by: ChayaFradle | June 7, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
Those Jews who spew hate and lies about Obam’t a on the internet cannot be of God because they disobey God’s commandments!! If you have policy agreements with Obama, state them and don’t vote for him. BUT, stop the lies. He is a Christian and not a Muslim. He does not hate Israel; he wants peace–a peace that will require sacrifice from BOTH Jews and Palestinians. Stop the lies. Only the truth will set you free!
Posted by: Su Jay | June 7, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
His story doesn’t make sense. If the Clinton campaign was upset with him for praising Obama, why would they reveal to him some super-secret strategy for pitting blacks against Jews?
Sounds to me like he’s bitter about losing his campaign, doesn’t think the Clintons campaigned hard enough for him, and is trying to get revenge.
Posted by: Brian W. | June 7, 2008, 3:11 am 3:11 am
I’m pretty sure that Andrews is just angling for a job on MSNBC
Posted by: Jackie | June 7, 2008, 3:47 am 3:47 am
Mississippi is obama country!!! the isreal lobbie backed hrc all the way.she would continue bush policy in the middle east. the hi-jack AIPAC that was suppose to be hrc victory speach. the isreal lobbie wants america to continue the welfare state called isreal . let them have fla we will pick-upn states out west. 67% of american people feel this way about the welfare state (isreal). we defeated the clinton’s and we will defeat the isreal lobbie. lieberman fights harder for isreal than his own state, they are with isreal before they are with america . they are anti-usa
Posted by: mississippi | June 7, 2008, 4:21 am 4:21 am
Brammy; you are 110% correct on your post, but that leach will never be removed from our country.
Posted by: james | June 7, 2008, 6:17 am 6:17 am
This is a big fat lie, and why does this story have so many legs? Why doesn’t he say who this person in the Clinton campaign is if he is to be believed? He’s a sore loser. The Obama campaign effectively used the racist victimization against Bill Clinton, who is NOT a racist…but it worked. Axelrod used Karl Rove’s playbook and John McCain had better get ready for the smears from Obama.
Posted by: Jenna | June 7, 2008, 7:22 am 7:22 am
Obama is the one that has set America back 100 years with all HIS Race Issues. His Pastor – Anti-American, Radical, Racist – and yet another pastor at his “church” – obama is NOT qualified – he is too RADICAL and his background is far too questionable. He will NEVER be elected President of the USA – and will NOT win without the MILLIONS of Hillary supporters.
Posted by: Molly | June 7, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
We are supporters of next president of United state of America Barrack Obama.
Please someone speak with Mr. Obama regarding Michelle dress code, as a future first lady, she should not presented in the podium dressed like she did on the day Mr. Obama clinched the nomination.keep the prestige as an Attorney
Thanks,
Lee + Ben
Posted by: Lee + Ben | June 7, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
It looks to me that Obama’s supporters are working so hard to discredit Hillary for every divisiveness in this country. This show that Obama is not the uniter nor can he unite this country. He can’t even unite his supporters to look beyond racist issues. Obama will promisse anything just to get elected. NO OBAMA
Posted by: tigerjcs | June 7, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
I dont trust any of them…they are ALL politicians, and lawyers..so that says it all!
Posted by: Angus | June 7, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Should Obama lose in the fall, it will be declared as a loss because of Racism..just as the entire campaign has been whenever someone does not vote for him…..
Posted by: angus | June 7, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
The first paragraph of this story should tell you something. If Feinstein supports a joint ticket you can say hello to President McCain or good bye to the Second Amendment.
Posted by: Royce | June 7, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Regardless of the controversy, DNC operatives, supportive of Mr. Obama, manage to find a way to blame Senator Clinton. By their rules, if 90% of the black voters support the Illinois Senator, that does not constitute racism. But, if one white voter supported Senator Clinton, that constituted racism. Given the fact that all the race bashing has been done by Obama’s spiritual advisers, although the Illinois Senator was either sleeping or on a smoke break during these flame-throwing sermons, it is no wonder that the Obama Camps points fingers in every direction but themselves.
Posted by: mycliffypoo | June 8, 2008, 3:52 am 3:52 am
And this is a surprise?
Posted by: LongT | June 8, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am