Clinton Open to Being Veep Candidate
ABC News’ Rick Klein and Kate Snow Report: In a conference call with members of the New York congressional delegation this afternoon, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she’d be willing to consider a spot on Sen. Barack Obama’s ticket, if it’s offered to her.
Clinton spent much of the afternoon calling major donors and supporters and from her home in Chappaqua, N.Y., in a last-ditch effort to gauge her support.
Speaking with her supporters from her home state’s congressional delegation, she said she is "open" to being Sen. Barack Obama’s vice presidential candidate, a source on the call told ABC News.
When Rep. Nydia Velazquez, D-N.Y., told Clinton that she feared Latino voters would only support Obama if she is on the ticket, several other members of the delegation said she should team up with Obama. Clinton responded that if he asked her to be on the ticket, she would be interested in considering that.
One member of Congress on the call told ABC News it was "the first time we’ve gotten the green light" on the question of the so-called Democratic "dream ticket."
The congressman added that Clinton is hearing similar calls from donors and key labor leaders.
"It’s a chorus of voices that she’s hearing: ‘We want you on the ticket,’ " he said.
One donor who got a call from Clinton earlier Tuesday told ABC News Clinton told him she is exhausted and still has not made a full decision about her presidential campaign.
She asked his opinion about what she should do and he got the impression that she wants to wait longer to see what happens.
The Senator said to this donor on the telephone, "There is so much pressure. There is so much pressure."
A Democrat familiar with the conversation with the New York delegation tells ABC that Clinton knocked down a report Tuesday by the Associated Press that said she would concede to Obama in her speech tonight.
Clinton delivered the firm message that she will not be suspending her campaign or dropping out tonight. She also asked for the delegation’s continued support as she makes up her mind.
She said she wants time to "catch her breath" and determine the best way forward, while acknowledging the math that clearly favors Obama.
Clinton’s argument was described to ABC News as having “earned the right” to reflect on how to proceed, and the tenor of the conversation was largely supportive, though recognizing Clinton’s extremely long odds.
A Clinton adviser who has been on some of her calls Tuesday said she has said nothing new regarding the possibility of running for vice president: "On the VP question, she says she is not saying anything different today than she has been saying, she will do whatever it takes to help ensure a Democratic victory in November."
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Posted by: T | June 3, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
the way i see it if hillary were a better canidate to beat mccain as she has said and shes won the popular vote as she has said then why are the super delegates all and have been endorsing obama seems to me if these things were true what hillary is arguing they would all be supporting her no maybe they just know things we dont can someone please explain if hillarys argument is right why is obama winning all them
Posted by: angie | June 3, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
angie
What, exactly, has Obama won during the last couple of months?
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Oh yes she can take a week to reflect, she has received over 17 million votes that gives her the time. Also Obama needs to let her know where he sees her in his plans. She has worked just as hard as he has, maybe harder its the presidence are applying for not just any job.
Posted by: Bridget | June 3, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
I’m a woman for Hillary who will definately vote for Obama
Thankfully Obama has been very respectful to Hillary. I follow closely & he has been very careful never to personally attack Hillary
yes we do need Clinton supporters like me to get behind Obama
LET’S GROW UP!!
Posted by: hill to obama | June 3, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Its time to unite together and work on beating McCain.
The power of Obama plus that of Hillary will knock out McCain without any notice!
Posted by: Peace | June 3, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
well s most of all the super delegates endorsements but can you answer my question im a little confused as to why they are and have been supporting him if hillarys argument is right please help me to understand i mean these supers are senators goveners all highly political people
Posted by: angie | June 3, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
AK @ OSU
Face it — they’re smarter than those who vote for the puppet Obama.
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Absolutely she needs time. She just withstood what most Amercians would buckle under. What a strong, formidable President she would be. Plus, who holds the power now, huh?
She has 18 million supporters THAT HE NEEDS TO WIN. He cannot do it without her, but I do not want her on the ticket as VP. I want him to go down on his frickin own.
WOMEN WILL REVOLT, AND THEY MAY NOT RIOT LIKE THE BLACK/COLLEGE VOTERS, BUT THERE WILL BE A QUIET RIOT IN THE VOTING BOOTH WHEN WE PULL THE LEVER FOR McCAIN!!!!
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
The true sign of a true leader. Not giving up!
I am so glad to hear that she is going to ‘catch her breath’, as she put it.
The neverending spam put forth from the Obama spam artists on here is getting worse and worse. Lies, propaganda and misinformation must be in their talking points memos sent to them.
Go Hillary!!
Hillary ’08
Posted by: Krissy K | June 3, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
MY BAD! Sorry Angie that was for “S” which stands for…
Posted by: AK @ OSU | June 3, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
The presidency is greater than party and Obama is unworthy of the highest office in the land. This Dem is for McCain.
Posted by: oldspice | June 3, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
As much as I detest Hillary Clinton, I wouldn’t mind if Obama offered her the VP spot.
My main concern was Obama not leading the ticket.
Now that it’s all but done, Obama would have a much better chance healing the riff sooner if she were VP… and she’s a great debater.
With that said I would rather another VP candidate
Posted by: Vanessa | June 3, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Peace:
First, the hate mongering.
Second, the conciliation attempts.
Third, the fear tactics.
Obama’s strategy in 3 easy steps.
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
to S
“What, exactly, has Obama won during the last couple of months?”
DUH….DA DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION
By the rules set up by the democratic party, which Bill & Hillary helped to initiate
Posted by: jAY | June 3, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
How can you print such garbage. This article makes it sound as if Hillary is undecided and desparate. Why would she ask anybody what she should do. I resent such reporting. She will acknowledge the winner when the number is reached. This is such disrespect coming from ABC. She should be respected on what she has done in this primary. There are so many down and out lies coming out of the news media it’s crazy. People should calm down and wait until this evening. It’s her right to concede when she wants. Obama won’t be the nominee until the convention anyway.
Posted by: Louise | June 3, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
It will be a cold day in hell before I cast my vote for Barack Obama.
Hillary I’m sorry. You truly are a legend.
Hope I see you in 2012!
McCain ’08! Never Obama!
Posted by: Mark | June 3, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
no one has answered my question yet im waiting dont you think if they all thought hillary was a better canidate she would be in obamas place right now
Posted by: angie | June 3, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Let me tell you I will NOT vote for Obama if she is She will loose it for him and if he should just happen to get killed she becomes President NOT ON YOUR LIFE….They best realize will be the same ole crap if she is there NO WAYYYYYYYYYYYY..Jose……..
Posted by: voter | June 3, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
***”S”
Right, a puppet who is pulled by the strings of the “democratic fundraising machine” the same machine that threatened Pelosi????? NO wait that IS someone else
Posted by: AK @ OSU | June 3, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
O.K. I’m an Obama woman and I’m super happy that my guy is the winner. Now, let the poor woman alone. This got to be difficult for her. I’ve have disliked the Clintons throughout this campaign; however, I respect other people’s difficult times, including Hillary.
Aha, you see that I can be gracious?
Posted by: carl29 | June 3, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
well come hillary supporters answer my question please help me to understand if she was the better canidate why did she not get most of the superdelegates endorsements like obama has gotten
Posted by: angie | June 3, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
Mark,
Unfortunately, it’s the opposite grasshoppa. McCain will never be Prez. IT WILL BE OBAMA.
Did you know that denial is the last known defense mechanisms in humans? Errr, unless you’re unhuman, sounds like you show clear symptoms sonny.
Well, the good thing is that reality is just around the corner. In other words, right now you’re walking around like the two chickens claiming to be original Foster Farms chickens when in reality, you’re just a dumb cluck.
See you at the inauguration.
And, McCain is going to need all the votes he can scrape up. Sacrifice yours in vain. (LAUGH)
Posted by: Nat Turner | June 3, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
Has this party ever been so split? Does anyone think it’s going to be all healed by Nov.? I hope McCain picks a fiscally strong, young All American to be his running mate….aw, hell, who am I kidding. I don’t care who he has as running mate…..wouldn’t vote Obama even with Hillary on the ticket.
She is the first candidate I’ve ever contributed to too.
Does anyone care about Jimmy Carter’s endorsement? Why are they yammering about that on FOX?
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
HILLARY SUPPORTS: DON’T FALL FOR THE SPIN.
This party is not your party anymore. Concede your principals and join Obama or vote your values somewhere else.
Those are your choices.
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
They BOTH need to breathe & show some humility.
Why would she use this moment to force herself onto the ticket?
They both need to get their supporters in order first. If it were the other way around Obama would be totally humiliated by the press.
Posted by: breathe | June 3, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
No way. No how. Do not offer her the VP slot, not after the way she & Bill have shown their true faces…trying to tear him down & us apart for their own gain. Enough of the Clinton’s games! The gall of her to even suggest it after the last few weeks (and Bill’s tirade yesterday) is mind boggling…they just don’t understand reality. As Kennedy said, we need someone with nobler aspirations.
Posted by: KC | June 3, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
I’m happy! we did it! It so exciting! Now we get to kick Mcsame’s butt!!!
Posted by: Joe | June 3, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Democratic women who vote for McCain because Hillary lost are losers just like she is. Obama played by the rules and won the nomination fair and square. It’s like losing a baseball game 4-3 and insisting you won because you got more hits than the other team. It’s not the hits, it’s the runs that count. It’s not the popular vote (which she really didn’t win anyway), it’s the delegates. You don’t get to play by different rules because you’re a woman. Get it?
Posted by: BigTGS | June 3, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
OBAMA ’08 ! Hillary supporters are NOT Republicans, right?
Posted by: Harry | June 3, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Be careful Hillary, he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Stay away from him. We will write you in if you do not go Independent. Or we will vote McCain.
Posted by: Mar | June 3, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
sherrie…good one!!!
Posted by: newvoter | June 3, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Is it “Pick Your Own Job” day?? =-)
3 reasons it’s a bad choice:
1. Obama needs more foreign policy/nat’l security on his ticket (Webb, Biden, Lugar =-), or someone like that would bring balance)
2. Who would be Obama’s food taster
3. Bill Clinton should not be allowed back in the White House.
Posted by: Lynne | June 3, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
I can see it clearly . . . . .it’s 3:am Hillary’s phone rings . . .hello? Hillary? is that you? it’s barack here. I want to offer you a position in my new administration. How would you like to be our new ambassador to Cuba? . . . . .
Posted by: DAVID NH | June 3, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
@Angie,
I’m not going to answer your question first but I would like to ask you a question also.
Why the undecided SuperDelegates are still uncommitted until now even the rumors are so hot that Obama is going to be the nominee?
Posted by: catleya | June 3, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
I WILL VOTE for Obama in the fall, but I WILL NOT VOTE for Obama in the fall if Hillary is his VP. Hillary as VP would put her a heart beat away from the presidency, and that would be frightening, given some of her recent (Bobby Kennedy assassination) comments, and given the fact that the nation, IMO, needs a break from Bill and Hillary and their incessant whining.
Posted by: thom | June 3, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
s…what is wrong with Michelle? She is very intelligent and gracious, plus she loves her family and this country…
Posted by: newthought | June 3, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
OBAMA’S HOPE
That the rest of the garbage in his past won’t be unearthed.
OBAMA’S PROMISE
I never heard Wright when he delivered such sermons.
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
By all means please Hillary catch your breath and make sure of the decision before you make one. I wish you could stay in – I really think he is going to crater with everything that is going to come out on him and I think Hillary knows that also. The International Press Corps is headed to Chicago to find out just who this man is. We do not know him because he is so new and will all that has already surfaced there is a big possibility there is more that will damage him big time in the general election – so I can certainly hear her concerns for the good of the party.
Posted by: Lynn | June 3, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Now we know what was really going on for the last few weeks. As was widely anticipated she is making a play for the VP slot. If they win she runs in 2016 when she’s 69. If they lose she runs in 2012. Either way it’s the best play for the Clintons. Doesn’t matter that she’s the worst choice for half a dozen reasons.
Posted by: Jacknyc | June 3, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Hillary is open to being veep?
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Posted by: zonafan | June 3, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
I am a hispanic woman and i have to say that I am supporting Barack Obama against McCain. I’m proud to do so as I know McCain offers no vision for the next 4-8 years.
I also hope that Obama is given the respect to find the best VP he can put on his ticket. If that happens to be HRC, then allright, but if he feels strongly about someone else, it’s his right and no one should condemn him for it.
Hillary ran a strong race, but I feel strongly that Hispanics will rally around Obama even if HRC is not on the ticket. We are begining to learn about this man and I have to say, there are a lot of Hispanics who see commonalities with Barack.
Posted by: ColleenM | June 3, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Bad Idea. This woman drew first blood. She needs to go away.
Posted by: Greg | June 3, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
This again shows what an outright liar she is. 2 weeks ago she clearly said under no reason would she want to be the vice-pres, it was all or nothing and now thinking we taxpayers are total dumb dumbs and forgot what came out of her mouth. I guess she also never licked the cigar.
Remember how both she and the drug pusher Ubama said there would be no dream team ?
Both liars and crooks.
Posted by: JR | June 3, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Hillary for Secy of State (perfect for her and Bill) or go back to the senate and wait for a Supreme Court position.
VP – Webb, Hagel or Bloomberg
Posted by: Nigel | June 3, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
This should be Senator Obama’s decision. This continues to look so bad on the democratic party. She needs to be a professional and move on.
Posted by: leslie | June 3, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
She said :” so much pressure,,so much pressure..”
I’m sure that what happened to the SD’s also.
You know who is the DNC boss .
Posted by: catleya | June 3, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
ANYONE that would cast a vote for continuing down the Bush path by voting for McCain was either never a Democrat in the first place, or they have no clue about reality for the last 8 years.
Posted by: dano | June 3, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Of course she’s open to being VP. That was pretty clear when she refused to drop out of a race that she couldn’t win.
Personally, I think it would be a huge mistake to pick Hillary for one very BIG reason. McCain has a lobbyist problem that Obama can use against McCain in the General election. But if he chooses Hillary, who has relied heavily on lobbyist money to fund her campaign, then he loses his advantage on an issue that the majority of the country supports him on. It would pretty much tie his hands about even bringing up the fact that he’s not accepted lobbyist money in the campaign. It would really be a very foolish choice.
Posted by: pmorlan | June 3, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Only voting for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket is blackmail and unDemocratic. He has worked every bit as hard as HRC to get this nomination and should be allowed to choose his own Veep without being held hostage. NO HILLARY ON THIS TICKET.
Posted by: sherbug | June 3, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
There’s no way Obama can offer Hillary the VP slot with her husband’s baggage. GOP will be all over Obama’s moral credentials with her as the VP. Sebelius is the right choice for VP!
Posted by: Ken | June 3, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
COUNTRY OVER PARTY….GO McCAIN IF NOT HILLARY!
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
catel…would you want the “hell” of Hillary coming down on you? That is why they are waiting to do thsi as a group so no one super is alone. They are cowards.
Posted by: newthought | June 3, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
She should decline. heis going to lose either way. If she is the VP candidate his minions will blame her, when in reality he has always been an unelectable candidate fromt he fringe left.
He is ridiculously unelectable. She should not have any part of it. Do you think women are going to be ok with her being given second spot, when she has won the pop vote and should have won the nomination if it weren’t rigged by fraudulent caucuses and giving him delegates he didn’t earn.
No way. CLinton ’12.
She’d do better as MC Cain’s VP!
Posted by: s.b. | June 3, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Hillary for Secy of State (perfect for her and Bill) or go back to the senate and wait for a Supreme Court position.
VP – Webb, Hagel or Bloomberg
Posted by: Nigel | June 3, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
dano
What is 2 plus 2?
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
debra…so what to hell is McCain going to do for our country?
Posted by: truthtell | June 3, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Hey Debra
“WOMEN WILL REVOLT, AND THEY MAY NOT RIOT LIKE THE BLACK/COLLEGE VOTERS, BUT THERE WILL BE A QUIET RIOT IN THE VOTING BOOTH WHEN WE PULL THE LEVER FOR McCAIN!!!!”
Have you seen where McCain is on Women’s issues?
Posted by: Linus Bern | June 3, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
as a strong obama supporter, i will like to see Hillary on the ticket. Folks i think this will be a wonderful ticket. And Obama can always appoint Bill to some cabinet position.
Posted by: ify | June 3, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
No way will I vote for Obama, even if Hillary is on the ticket. Let Michelle hold up the Empty Suit! It’s Hillary or McCain.
Rise, Hillary, Risee!’08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
(It’s not over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)
Posted by: LeeLee07 | June 3, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Hi Angie,
Both Obama and Hillary have run fantastic campaigns, but I think the Clinton campaign made a strategic error early on. Her campaign decided that it was not worthwhile to really contest the caucus states. Senator Obama was a huge winner of the caucuses. Second, the Clinton campaign made the mistake of over-estimating their appeal and strength. They were convinced that they would be the winners by the end of Super Tuesday. Things did not work out that way.
Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have widely divergent popular bases. They have both run terrific campaigns. After some 36,000,000 votes cast, they are barely separated by less than 300,000. That is a virtual tie statistically.
It is time to give up all the anger and posturing and start treating each other with respect. Just because someone’s opinion is different than yours is no reason to call them stupid or be disrespectful. That is for others more than you, Angie.
Posted by: Lowell Copeland | June 3, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
SD has no gut to fight for the truth but only follow the trend.. The shame on Dems’ SD and you just looked like trash!!!
Posted by: True Truth | June 3, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
No honor nor moral ,thats why she is let Bill play with dirty women as liong she is in power.to many scandal corruption coming up bring him with her.
If Bo let her mean he is not good just llike her ,she is a whore and her husban lunatic pervert
Posted by: Tn | June 3, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
I think Obama and Clinton would make an unbeatable team! Hillary? Please, go for it! Obama? Please, go for it!
Posted by: soose | June 3, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
For all the Democrats wanting to vote for McCain if Hillary doesn’t make it – please explain to me how John McCain’s stance on any major issue more closely aligns with the values of Hillary Clinton than do Barack Obama’s ideas.
Hillary and Barack have very similar voting records and platforms on all issues. Why is John McCain preferable?
Posted by: Shane | June 3, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Lowell Copeland
Yep — first the hate
Then the “we were only kidding. Now, join us because we are family”
Chortle chortle
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Hill to Obama,
You don’t need to remind us to grow up. We all grown up already, maybe you people need to grow up since some of you are only college students.
Hillary supporters are very loyal to her.
Posted by: catleya | June 3, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
NO NO NO NO NO
Posted by: Angela | June 3, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
It’s time to unite guys. I’ve seen this all along. And don’t be upset Obama Nation – He will pick Hillary as the VP. I’d bet my life savings on it. She has a very loyal following, their supporters are both avid, this country needs change in the worse way, no finer two people to make history TWICE and turn this country in the right direction. So both sides, suck it up, these people can work together.
Posted by: Patrick | June 3, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
truthtell
Nothing good to say about your little puppet so you slip easily into character assignation. Good show!
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
I would not vote for Obama if he was the only one running – I do not trust him — not for one New York minute. Clinton will get my vote as a write-in on my ballot.
Posted by: dixiecharms | June 3, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
It is a very very bad idea to be on Obama’s ticket. I will not vote any ticket with Obama on the top. Let Obama be defeated in the fall. Come back in 2012 and you will be the first woman president.
I am a Clinton supporter and I approve this message.
Posted by: george | June 3, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
I don’t think that I can support Obama with or without Clinton on the ticket. I said that I wouldn’t vote for him and that is not likely to change even with her on the ballot. The Obama supporters are too hateful. The Press has been too biased. The DNC has been just completely stupid. This election has been hijacked and I don’t think that Hillary should have to take a “2nd place ribbon”. She’s the better, more experienced candidate.
Posted by: Judy | June 3, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Hillary is finally accepting the inevitable by making her new VP aspirations known. Now she’s just looking ahead to 2012 or 2016 when the transition from VP to another Presidential run will be on her mind.
HRC is a snake in the grass and will stop at nothing to achieve her individual goals at any cost. The last thing she really cares about is this country… in her mind it’s all about Hillary.
Posted by: TampaJoey | June 3, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
I quess in the Democratic Party your vote does not count. My 15 yr old & 14 Yr old is trying to understand why super-delegates get to elect the presidential nominee and not the popular vote of the democratic party. Well this is not the first time my party has disappointed me but it will be the last. McCain for President!
Posted by: Amber | June 3, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
I wonder if its the best move for a Obama presidency to have Hillary in the White House. And I wonder if its the best thing for Hillary’s career. She would be 68ish when the next chance to run comes about, and anyway VP is not a good place to run for President from. In my view its not a good deal for either, but I wonder if Obama can avoid doing it?
Posted by: markymark | June 3, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
I love America and it’s strong Women…sorry, but the men, I’m not so fussed about.
I have followed the campaign on a daily basis and now, after extensive investigative research, I passionately and whole heartedly support Hillary Clinton! I’m not saying that in 35 years she hasn’t made mistakes along the way. But, regardless of the hype, they have not been major, which is why the press jump all over her “misspeaks” so much!
Now, I am not about to quote chapter and verse here, giving references for you to check, because quite honestly,
it may be too late.
When I watched CNN’s live broadcast on Saturday’s DNC (so called) public meeting, I was shocked and I actually cried at the travesty of justice! 30 DNC negate 600,000 votes and get away with it…It’s morally and legally wrong! It was not democratic, it was dictatorial!!! I watched the whole debate, just as I have followed the whole warped campaign.
I listened to Sen Bill Nelson and the passionate words of Sen Joiner and was encouraged, believing that the so called Rules Committee would get it right. I listened to Harold Ickes at the end of the debate, at a loss for words, because of the total injustice, the decisions have totally negated the rights of the voters. It has set an example and it’s a matter of principle! Shame on DNC! I hope Hillary challenges this and takes it to the Credentials Committee in August, because this has been a total stitch up throughout! If you missed the Rules Committee farce:http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/search?q=RezkoWatch+Electability+2008
Not only do they negate the choice of 600,000 voters but they give Obama the uncommitted votes, taking 4 delegates from Hillary to give to Obama! In the DNC constitution, it states that uncommitted means exactly that and remains so!!! Otherwise you may as well throw out the voting system with the bath water and just let the so called Rules Committee decide! As I’ve said before, the whole campaign is warped!
You think that a two term junior Senator is more qualified, more experienced than Hillary, who has tirelessly worked for the country over 35 years?! I don’t think so! I have looked into the company Obama keeps and whether you care to acknowledge it or not, the man is backed by Auchi, an Iraqi billionaire who gave Rezko, Obama’s campaign fund raiser, $3.5 million! Which is how Obama got his house! Yes you will be lead to believe that the corrupt money given by RezKo to Obama’s campaign was disposed of to charities…wrong! Obama kept $100,000…yes, I know, there’s no point in continuing down this train of thought, except to ask why, but nobody wants to know!
Oh and lets not mention that Obama is one of “Deans Dozen”, hand picked by Dean, who in my opinion, should be fired as DNC chairman! His personal prejudice regarding the Clintons affects his views in the campaign. But it is correct to say that Aiham Alsammarae, an ex Sadam minister, also financially backed Obama’s campaign…but hey, that obviously politics!
I agree with Nancy Pelosi, I think the campaign has been good for the democratic party, even though I think the process is screwed!
I think the voting system is a total waste of time and money and I believe it should be “one person one vote”! I think that a caucus can be easily rigged, the electoral collage and super delegates tend to negate the basic rights of the voters and if it were “count every vote” Hillary would be President! Because, so far, she has a minimum of 17 milion votes! More than any other Presidential candidate EVER!
I’ll conclude by saying McCain (who I call Mr McGoo)isn’t fit to run a sack race, never mind a country and, without upsetting the apple cart again by going into the reasons, I do not trust Obama and I don’t think he can beat McCain! The only candidate I would vote for is Hillary (but y’all knew that), not because she’s a woman, but because she is the only candidate for the job and I have hated to see the gendre bias being played and the way the press has sucked up to Obama etc etc…Yes, Hillary’s campaign wasn’t always managed well and, at important moments, she lost two of her key organisers…all this aside, she has fought a brilliant battle! She has said that she will go on until a nominee is elected, hoping that she will win and if not, she will work just as tirelessly as she has in the past for the nominee…I really do hope it will be Hillary!
My best wishes Hillary, because I believe the reason she’s had such bad press is because the Corp’Businessmen know that Hillary is for the working people, not the fat cats! They don’t want her! America, you have been hoodwinked into falling for the media lies and I hope that if Obama’s elected, there wont be more damage.
Am I passionate about this election?! “You bet your ass I am!”
Don’t be hoodwinked…
SUPPORT HILLARY NOW!!!
Posted by: Di | June 3, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
As an African American, I must say that I am very much against an Obama/Clinton ticket. Contrary to popular opinion African Americans did not vote for Barack just because he was another African American, but because many of us felt that we need new energy, new ideas, and new faces in DC! Many democratic voters voted for Barack because he was a purist on the war, he was telling us the truth about the gas tax holiday issue, and he wants to stop all the divisiveness in politics. Granted there are many other reasons, but Hillary was wrong on all these issues.
I am not interested in going backward and Clinton represents yesterday not today or tomorrow! In addition, I don’t believe that the ticket should have two senators. We need a governor or someone with extensive military background on the ticket with Obama – in fact, if Hillary had won the nomination, I would be saying the same thing about a Clinton/Obama ticket – they do not need to run together.
Posted by: Faith | June 3, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
“Hill to Obama”,
I think there are more like you than the blogs would seem to indicate. BTW, I have been for Obama since before he was a candidate, but I was never against Hillary. Whatever happens, I have faith that Obama will pick the best person to balance out the ticket. Conventional wisdom says don’t do two “firsts” on one ticket, though, so first woman and first African American together on the same ticket?? I don’t know. But then again, conventional wisdom has been anything but conventional this season.
Who knows? Anyway, I just wanted to write you to tell you that I appreciate it that you recognize that, for however awful some (many!) in the media were to Hillary, Obama was and is respectful to her, even long after her chances of winning were slim.
I really hope everyone can come together. We can’t afford 4 more years of a Bush-like Republican. 2000 John McCain is a different guy than 2008 McCain! As Barack Obama says, some of the wheels have fallen off of the Straight Talk Express since 2000!
Posted by: JK | June 3, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
OBAMA WILL NOT WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION! HE WILL NOT WIN MI and FL!
I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA EVEN IF CLINTON IS THE VP!!! Her supporters are NOT dumb! VPs don’t lead or run the country.
IF CLINTON RUNS AS INDEPENDENT FOR PRESIDENT, SHE WILL WITHOUT HESITATION GETS MY VOTE!
McCAIN IS MORE CAPABLE OF LEADING OUR COUNTRY THAN OBAMA!
For the first time in my adult life I will be voting a Republican for President.
McCAIN 08
McCAIN 08
McCAIN 08
Posted by: giz | June 3, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
I won’t vote for Obama ever! Period.. That’s it!
Posted by: True Truth | June 3, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
FORGET CLINTON AS THE VP!
Why would Obama want to weaken his Presidential position by A) picking his rival opponent as his running mate, and B) picking as his running mate the person (i.e. Clinton) who embarrassed him a month ago by suggesting the he, the delegate leader, should be the VP under HER (who was well behind Obama in delegate count). Obama would be a fool to pick his opponent Clinton as his running mate. He would be the laughing stock of politics. Not only that, but Obama can do much better than Clinton as his VP.
Posted by: Eric | June 3, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Well, if Obama thinks that he wants to take on 2 VPs then he should offer it to the Clintons because we all know that we will be getting 2 for the price of one.
I hope that he won’t offer it to Hillary though unless she unload Bill because he will be the loose cannon who will cause trouble for her.
I wished that she unload him years ago, but, we don’t all get what we wish for.
Posted by: Carol, MA | June 3, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Krissy K
“we know McCain is a moderate.”
At the risk of appearing dense, could you please tell me the issues on which you believe he has taken a moderate stance. (Don’t include ones in which he has contradicted with an extreme neo-con stance within a 12 month period please)
Posted by: Linus Bern | June 3, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Don’t do it Hillary!!! Run in 2012 after McCain beats Obama in 2008
Posted by: Danny | June 3, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
I think if Barack and Hillary can reconcile and work together as a team they will win in November and inspire our country with their leadership.
Posted by: Bill in NC | June 3, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Last thing the Democrats need for a fresh start is Hillary for VP. It would put a huge albatross on Obama.
Posted by: Margaret | June 3, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
This has now become a gender issue! So sad really. I thought women were strong and put there values first guess I’m proven wrong. so to women I say go vote Mcsame then go for 2012 but you better have a better women cause that one will Lose again and again because she is CRAZY! HAHAHAHA!!! (Hillary cackle)
Posted by: Joe | June 3, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
I hope she does not bend to the koolaid drinkers and accept the VP spot. She has shown herself to be a great leader – much more so than Obama. She kept going despite having the entire force of the right and left media against her almost from the outset.
Hillary in 2012!!!
Posted by: Roger | June 3, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
She can reflect for 10 days or ten years, it doesn’t matter if she ‘concedes’ or not. She’s OUT !!!! Plain and simple.
I wish i could say she fought a good fight. But she got nastee and divided the party. Her delegates think Barak needs them. He needs only some of them. not all of them. It would be of their best interest to fall in line as a party and lets resolve the issues of the land.
I would say Hillary would make a good VP, However, after the RFK remark and her motives duringthe Jeremiah Wright scandal, Im not sure of her loyalty and if she would sabotage his changes atthe presidency. She dowes believe that she is entitled to the nomination based on who she is… Oh well. I guess the Best Black Man Won !!!!!
Posted by: Marlon | June 3, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
The position has been filled.
Posted by: Sally | June 3, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
It all comes down to Hillary – if she doesn’t get the nomination – how she reacts. Many of her followers are waiting to see.. she is much more powerful than people know.
If she is not the veep… he will lose against mcsame.
She has certainly proven we are ready for a woman president and she “did good girl”.. !!! Beware committee… this is a big decision.
Posted by: a dem | June 3, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Hillary say NO. he is not an acceptable or qualified candidate. Go independent and be John McCain’s VP.
The Democrats have treated you and all women like garbage. Tell them to stick it where the sun don’t shine. if they want to nominate an unelectable candidate through election fraud, let them. Don’t save him. Dont do them any favours.
McCain/Clinton ’08
Posted by: s.b. | June 3, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
In order to win the General Election a candidate has to first become their parties nominee by winning more delegates than their rival. Any argument counter to that is purely academic.
Pull the lever for Geon McBush and you’ll pay $5/gal for gas and continue to sacrifice young lives in Iraq. Don’t say it and please don’t do it.
Posted by: Bh in Phoenix | June 3, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
If Hillary got the nomination would she need to have Obama on the ticket to get the black vote? Also, why haven’t all these undecided superdelagates made up their minds? What are they waiting for? Especially since everyone has been saying that Obama was going to get the nomination.
Posted by: WHY | June 3, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD — Barack, please DO NOT pick Clinton as your VP. Don’t weaken your position by caving in and picking your OPPONENT. Don’t pick the person that has completely and utterly destroyed you in comment after comment. You have SO MANY good choices for VP, and none of them have the last name of Clinton. Chuck Hagel, Jim Webb, the list goes on and on. Please Mr. Obama, choose wisely!
Posted by: Think | June 3, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Hillary for Secy of State (perfect for her and Bill) or go back to the senate and wait for a Supreme Court position.
VP – Webb, Hagel or Bloomberg
Posted by: Sure | June 3, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
future Madam President Hilary Clinton;
Please continue to strive forward in your quest to servie your country as President. You made it this fat…only a little further to go. I admire how much you worked to get this far. I believe you love our country very much. The lighter colors you’ve been wearing are very nice. You’ve got my vote
Posted by: anne | June 3, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
This attitude of “I won’t vote for Hillery or I won’t vote for Obama” makes me laugh!!! You could put them both behind a wall have have them write out their points of view and what they have to offer the county and I’ll bet you couldn’t tell who wrote which essay. Typical I’m going home and I’m taking my ball with me attitude. That is why the democrats will not win in November.
Posted by: shavetail | June 3, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
“Clinton Open to Being Veep Candidate”
Noooooooooooooooooo !!!
Posted by: Alan Rose | June 3, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Oh good God. What little chance Obama had in November is pretty much tubed if he takes her on the ticket. That is, if he doesn’t have an “accident” before November. Having Hillary as one heartbeat away from the Presidency would certainly make me want to have the de-fib paddles handy if I was him.
Posted by: EOBFEOBF | June 3, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Hillary would be mad to be VP on an Obama ticket. She’ll only get the blame when he loses.
Better she stay on the sidelines in case of a summer surprise.
I’m a die-hard Hillary supporter, but I will NEVER vote for Obama. I’d rather 4 more years of George Bush! With, or without Hillary on the ticket!
I know it’s crazy, but that’s the way I feel!
Obama will be a catastrophe!
Posted by: Mark | June 3, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
While she may have many detractors she was still voted for by almost half of the democrats who voted. That’s not small potatoes by any means. There are just as many people on her side who feel the same way about Obama. It’s time everyone started behaving as adults here. This is CRAZY.
Posted by: cali girl | June 3, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
It was just last week that Sen. Clinton was having a fantasy of someone doing the unspeakable to Obama.
She lost the race fair and square. There is not consolation prize. It’s done.
It’s time to move on and think about what’s best for the country rather than what the Clintons are “open” to.
It’s time for the Clinton era to END. They are a corrupt and dishonest couple.
I want to see a good old fashioned white male on the ticket. I’ve had about all the diversity I can stand from this primary. Call me sexist if you will, but only this woman could make a contest so messy…stirring up racism, and sexism, and the Florida recount, etc.
Sen. Clinton has truly earned her title for being the most divisive politician.
I’ve had enough of her.
Posted by: Tammy, Denton, Maryland | June 3, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Obama Supporter!!! Who do you think you are telling Hilliary supporters to leave the Democratic party!!! I earned my right to be part of this party, you are probley a johnnie come lately. Obama has a big problem with the race issue and people supporting him have not behaved any better than Bill Clinton so get off your high horse. The record is that young college students do not turn out for the general election and if Illinois is any indicator, in the primary the college turn was lower than previous years and that is his home state. He will need every Hilliary supporters vote. You need to stop this hate and get real!!!!
Posted by: Bridget | June 3, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Obama should be the court jester. It would be most suitable for him. He could still be inconsistent and nobody would care. He could still have his nose in the air and nobody would care. He could still live in a world of denial and nobody would care.
Perfect!
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
No Hillary! Time for new blood. Remember all the shady deals the Clintons did and all the barely leagal things, and then how she ran the campaign, fear, lies, stirring racial issues, hate Clinton…..time for new blood, time for change. This Republican is voting for Obama, but will not vote for Clinton.
Posted by: Jasmine | June 3, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Hillary don’t do it…….NO…..This dem for McCain. Let him lose on his own.
Posted by: Barb | June 3, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Adding her to his “Change we can believe in” ticket would destroy a large part of his voter base. She and Bill are OLD POLITICS and he has built his campaign on this truth. To suddenly embrace her and install her as his best buddy, VP, would be a huge mistake on his very well planned rise to the presidency. I have no intention of doing anything to support the Clintons, nor does anyone I know. She and Bill are a liability, unscrupulous, go beyond embellishing to outright LYING and can’t focus on issues because of a love of personal attacks and game playing. NO more Hillary!
Posted by: evan thoams | June 3, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
I do not understand people who voted for Hillary or Obama, but will vote for McCain if Obama and Hillary are on the ticket or if Obama wins.
Want was the main reason for your vote, was it for Hillary and Obama to fufil they dreams of becoming president? I voted for Obama because I do not want to pay &10.00 at the pump. if Hillary is on the ticket so be it, I will still vote for her, as long as they give me what I want am fine with any of them.
McCain has made it know that he’s not going to change anything so why should i vote for him.
OBAMA OR HILLARY ALL THE WAY to white house!!!! you guys better should get over the hate.
Posted by: Jay | June 3, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Way to go Krissy K….we do need to get it out there a no vote, or a write in or any other vote….is letting Obama inch closer to WH. It MUST be a vote for McCain if not Hillary.
I’m just sorry that I and millions like me, can’t stand him enough, that even if Hillary is offered VP, it won’t take the stink off him.
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
T says:
“Obama never!
Country first, party second!”
translation:
I am a Republican and I actually think this country is moving in the Right direction.
Posted by: ConfuciUS | June 3, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
All of this anger needs to stop now. Making comments like, “the queen is dead, we don’t need her racist white voters” is just plain frightening. Obama does need all of those voters, even more so now. A general election is very different than a primary between 2 people who basically agree on 99% of the issues. Moderates and Independents make up a huge percentage of the electorate now than ever before. This is not american idol, this is a real, adult election. McCain is a very strong candidate and Obama will have to work hard to win in November. Don’t take my word, ask any legitimate political analyst(not chris matthews or Keith Olberman)
Posted by: brad | June 3, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
I’d bet that, as usual, HRC’s words have been taken out of context. In their determination to run her out of the race and force a concession, they will read whatever they want to hear, into any statement she makes. I’ll only believe it if I see her saying it and can assess the full context. If I do not know anything else about her, I do know that that she does not speak out of both sides of her mouth. I do believe that she believes (as I do)that she will be the nominee so could not have said what the media is now claiming.
Posted by: adellani | June 3, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
I call for no more republican in the White house. At least for the next 8 years. Well done guys let go get McPain.
Posted by: goDem | June 3, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
I agree with all who say that Hillary should not sell out in order to help Obama. He has been nasty, his supporters are even nastier, and the DNC have hijacked this election.—Take a deep breath and chill for a while, Hillary. We know you’re exhausted, but don’t take 2nd place. YOUR BETTER THAN THAT. STAY IN THE RACE TO THE CONVENTION. I DON’T CARE IF IT SPLITS THE PARTY. YOU CAN ALWAYS RUN AGAIN IN 2012 AND WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN AT THE CONVENTION?
Posted by: STOP THE WAR | June 3, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
The whole point of an Obama candidacy is to renounce all that Mr. Clinton and her husband stand for. I have been for Obama all along, and if he were to be convinced to accept Mrs. Clinton as his VP, I would consider that a sell out and vote for McCain. Don’t sell out Mr. Obama you will lose all your credibility…………….
Posted by: Pat V | June 3, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Hillary, Go home. No more tricks! Enough is enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The one is most not happy with Hillary’s loss will be Bill. He has no opportunities to fool around.
Posted by: John Hood | June 3, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
It’s obvious from some of the comments that we have mathematics failures. Considering that Obama has the nomination delegate count, Clinton doesn’t really have the luxury of prolonging concession.
Posted by: TEKK | June 3, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
The problem is most thought Obama could not WIN! Now that this primary is almost history, some on this blog can not accept reality. It you are a true democrat, support the party nominee or be what you really are, a republican.
Posted by: comeonpeople | June 3, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Paying 5 bucks for gas does not appeal to me whatsoever. Hillary was my choice until March and something changed for me. But at no time would I ever consider voting for McC. We really do need to unite.
Time heals all wounds.
Posted by: Michelle J. | June 3, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Sorry, I am not a die hard democrat, I think Hilary was the better choice, but even if she is the VP, my vote goes to McCain. I can’t stand Obama. He is a sheep in wolf clothes
Posted by: Decided | June 3, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
I promised myself a long time ago that I would NEVER AGAIN vote for a Clinton. If Obama picks her as a running mate, the Obama ’08 sticker comes off my car and I’ll vote for Nader.
Posted by: Richard | June 3, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Di writes: “I love America and it’s strong Women…”
Martha Stewart
Rosie O’Donnell
Star Jones
Leona Helsmley
Hillary Clinton
I love America, too – let’s just leave it at that.
Posted by: Aaron | June 3, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
It all comes down to Hillary – if she doesn’t get the nomination – how she reacts. Many of her followers are waiting to see.. she is much more powerful than people know.
If she is not the veep… he will lose against mcsame.
She has certainly proven we are ready for a woman president and she “did good girl”.. !!! Beware committee… this is a big decision.
Posted by: a dem | June 3, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Judy took the words right out of my mouth!
” This election has been hijacked and I don’t think that Hillary should have to take a “2nd place ribbon”. She’s the better, more experienced candidate.”
As a lifelong Democrat, I might add that I decided not to vote at all rather then be responcible for voting for either McCain or Obama. And for those of you that actually think Obama or his campaign were not behind the attacks against Clinton, I have a snow farm for sale in Alaska! So much for the change candidate!
Posted by: Dave | June 3, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
A political marriage between Obama and Hillary is that of necessity. We have no idea how his other VP’s will affect voters. We know how Hillary has polled in every single state. However you want to count the popular vote–the result is the same. The country is split.
The Democrats are still trying to win the Big Show. They have to work as a team. Every good team has super-sized egos that at times outshine the team control (Bill is like T.O. from the Dallas Cowboys). As long as Bill is willing to back the QB, this should not be a problem.
Posted by: Mia | June 3, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
I find it inconceivable that any self respecting democrat would rather vote for John McCain over the democratic nominee who won the primary. Please get over yourselves, Hillary Clinton is an amazing woman who fought til the final bell but the bell has rung people! She is NOT the last hope to have a female president, she was the first woman to kick down the doors and show that it can be done. So it didn’t happen this election cycle, a lot of the blame can be placed squarely on the candidate for listening to her advisors and not planning for the fact that this was not a coronation but a DEMOCRATIC primary. The races is judged on delegates, not popular vote which can’t even be measured because caucuses, which Obama won handily, don’t count individual votes. I know it hurts but it will hurt a lot more when you are still sending your children into a war that shouldn’t have been initiated by our bullheaded current leader, paying over $5/gallon for gas, dealing with a flawed public education system that is not preparing our children for their competition all over the world.
Please consider the party, it’s goals and your future when you vote and don’t as DEB said, “…THERE WILL BE A QUIET RIOT IN THE VOTING BOOTH WHEN WE PULL THE LEVER FOR McCAIN!!!!” or Mark who says, “It will be a cold day in hell before I cast my vote for Barack Obama.” Why is this so personal, no one broke into your house or insulted you yet you sound like revenge is the only meal you’re interested in, sounds very Bush-like to me. Maybe you are Republicans posing as Democrats.
The decision you make this fall will affect you, your children and the generations to come after them. Grow up, become a responsible citizen and support the Democratic party.
Posted by: Andre | June 3, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
The people here screaming no Obama are nothing more than Limbaugh/Hannity quoting self righteous Republicans posing as Hillary supporters. Most don’t have any thoughts or arguments of their own, they just toss out the bashing comments they hear on the radio. Good by Hill-publicans, Obama is going to be the next President of the United States of America and will work hard to clean up the mess GWB and company has created.
Posted by: dan | June 3, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
I don’t think people realise the level of mistrust and dislike of Barack Obama.
Call me ignorant, but I just don’t trust the guy for a second. Look at some of the things he has said. Look at the company he keeps.
And look at his record…….if you can find it.
No way. McCain may be a republican, but he’s a centrist one and he will protect his country. I’m sorry, but that is how it is.
Superdelegates, this election will be won or lost on national security. You’ve just lost….
Posted by: Mark | June 3, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
two months ago I would have said there is no way in heck he should pick her for vp………….but it IS very close and I feel that her supporters deserve to have her on the ticket
(Except for the ignorant crazies who threaten to vote their ‘principles’ and vote mccain,…if he represents your principles than you are a republican. Its not a personality contests, aside from that mccain cheated and dumped his first wife when he found out she was disabled…hardly a feminist icon)
. Obama supporters lets not kid ourselves it hasn’t been a blow out and he is limping towards the finish. However, the clintons need to be vetted. Obama hasn’t attacked them personally so I wonder what is out there. I find it hard to believe that Bill left behind a lifetime of womanizing once he got out of the limelight.
Posted by: Sarah | June 3, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
That Senator Clinton is still in the race is not the surprise. That Senator Obama is about to become the Democratic nominee over her is the surprise. There are a few very good reasons for this. If you honestly reflect on the campaign, you will see these reasons and, then, you may be able to take a new look at this remarkable candidate and what his candidacy portends. At the beginning, I did not see it. Along the way, it came to me. I will be happy and filled with hope to cast my independent vote for him in November.
Posted by: Tomas | June 3, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
OBAMA/HILLARY 08 !!!!! my only problem is Bill Clinton, can someone just keep the man out of the country of the next six months?
Posted by: kak | June 3, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
After reading many many of Obama supporters comments on this blog, I’m kind of relief that they refuse to have Hillary on the ticket.
I wish she would not take it because what I saw Obama has been giving a signal to work with her in November.
Let see, even she accepts the offer, that won’t change my mind.
Posted by: catleya | June 3, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Dave,
Respectfully, would it be to much to ask for some evidence to back your claims?
Thank you greatly.
Namaste
Posted by: lama | June 3, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
I think Obama would be a fool to choose Hillary as a running mate.
Those of you who think that would be a wise move for Obama, let me ask you: who out there does Obama get to vote for him with Hillary as his running mate that wouldn’t vote for him without Hillary on the ticket? The staunch Hillary supporters? You think that the folks who are hard-core Clintonistas are going to be so pissed about Hillary’s not getting the nomination that they’re either going to sit it out or vote for McCain? Get real. These people would vote for Obama regardless of who his running mate is. And in any event, they’re an insignificant bloc of the electorate. Most solid Democratic voters are not strictly loyal to either Hillary or Obama.
And as far as Hillary being a running mate who could score Obama some key “swing” voters – voters who are undecided between him and McCain, I say nonsense. Of the true “swing” voters out there, I firmly believe that the qualms most of them will have voting for Obama is that he’s too liberal, that he represents the far-left end of the political spectrum. And obviously Hillary is not a candidate who’s going to bring a perspective of moderation to Obama’s ticket.
What Obama needs in a running mate is a centrist Democrat. A running mate who has a moderate-to-conservative record he can point to to allay voters’ concerns that he is too liberal.
Posted by: razorfan | June 3, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Picking Hillary as a running mate is completely off Obama’s message of ending the status quo in Washington. I hope he doesn’t cave.
Posted by: Richard | June 3, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
After ALL WHAT SHE SAID about him ,now she wants to be his VP……..this woman is a joke and is desperate for power. Thanks God, she lost
Posted by: Denis van Dam | June 3, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
If Hilary is willing to become a team player, why can’t the rest of you bitter people follow her lead?
She has weather the storm and faught an amazing fight but through it all she’s willing to put all the bad blood aside and unite with her party. although I’Ve supported Barack from day one, I have to say I admire her more today than I did at the beginning of this process. She is a tenatious competitor and she stands by what she believes.
Well done HRC!
Now that I’ve gotten all that out of the way…..GO OBAMA!!!!!
Posted by: TW | June 3, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Eric said, “Why would Obama want to weaken his Presidential position by A) picking his rival opponent as his running mate, and B) picking as his running mate the person (i.e. Clinton) who embarrassed him a month ago by suggesting the he, the delegate leader, should be the VP under HER (who was well behind Obama in delegate count). Obama would be a fool to pick his opponent Clinton as his running mate. He would be the laughing stock of politics.”
WELL SAID, ERIC
Posted by: Greg | June 3, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Nydia Velazquez thinks she speaks for all voting Latinos in America? Please. How insulting! This Latino has never even heard of her. Obama ’08
Posted by: Huh? | June 3, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
To the Hillary supporters who will vote McCain:
The families of the soldiers who won’t live thru his term of unending warfare hope you reconsider.
Posted by: Wolf | June 3, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Did the press bother to mention that on Saturday when the DNC was meeting that BHO resigned from his church so his name would be on all the TV channels while we were watching the DNC meeting? He was trying to steal that show.
Posted by: RossiMa | June 3, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
It’s time for us all to grow up. I support Obama, but if HC won the nomination I would support her in the general because she’s a Dem, not a Bush clone.
We need to stick together. This primary has been about race, gender, age, experience – everything but issues. That’s because HC and Obama are very close on the issues.
I’m ready to support Obama or HC. It’s foolish to throw your vote away on McCain.
Posted by: Bill | June 3, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Instead of allowing her ripple in the pond to subside, she throws another rock. Now, all of the women who are only voting for her because she is a woman have been given another reason not to vote for Barrack if she is not crowned VP. He has the right to choose whomever he feels fits his platform. I hope it isn’t the person who has tried every smear tactic possible to bring him down. For months she has been telling us that Barrack is not suited for the Presidency. Why all of a sudden would she want to align herself with him? To bad she can’t just throw her support behind him, be quiet, and let the cards fall where they may. She and Bill are the worst losers ever, and they continually find new ways to show it! I hope Barrack does not fall for this power play of hers.
Posted by: Greg | June 3, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Everyone please pray, with all your might, that Obama picks someone OTHER than Clinton as his VP. For the sake of the country, and the future.
Posted by: Lou | June 3, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Contrary to the opinion of some Obama supporters hrre, I don’t think there is anything wrong with Clinton being VP, if Obama asks her to. Clinton ran a spirited contest, as she should. You don’t run this race not to win, and you need to do whatever it takes to win it. Her supporters expect no less. She did that, and just happens to come up short. They are both very capable candidates, but of course there can only be one winner.
I think they would make a great team that will unify the Dems (except of course for those intransigent people who will never budge if their candidate lost, but then there will always be a few of those). Their policies are very similar, and that’s why they had to run on issues of perception such as “experience” or “change”. An Obama-Clinton candidacy would indeed be a dream ticket, very hard to beat. I hope Obama considers this when he chooses his running mate.
Posted by: incog-nito | June 3, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Amber,
About the popular vote…
1. He is ahead if you count the caucus states that have counts, but are “unofficial” because they actually count local delegates and don’t ratify actual vote totals. Go to http://www.realclearpolitics.com and look at the popular vote totals. If you add in Iowa and Maine (and a couple others can’t remember offhand), he is ahead, even including Michigan where he wasn’t even on the ballot.
2. This whole party nominating process has never been about strictly popular vote. The Democratic National Committee allocate delegates to the states on various factors, only one of which is how many Democrats voted in the previous primaries. They also do it by how the state votes in the general election.
Look at these numbers for this year’s turnout in Democratic primaries compared to total pledged delegates…
CT 345,000 votes 48 delegates
KY 669,000 votes 51 delegates
WV 331,000 votes 28 delegates
MI 600,000 votes 64 (was 128) delegates
Why is it like this?? CT is one of the most reliably Democratic “blue” states, and gets more delegates for it. KY and WV, not so much. MI probably would have had many more votes if all candidates were on the ballot, but still you can see how “representative” this is.
Also, another thing about the delegates is that the party will give out extra delegates to states that will wait to have their primaries later in the season, especially when so many other states are clamoring for going early.
It’s a crazy system, but it is what it is. It is a race for delegates. And even looking at the popular vote, if you were fair and included the four caucus states, Barack Obama is even leading in the popular vote.
Posted by: JK | June 3, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Reading through these posts is absolutely frightening. You’re of the same ilk who put Bush in the White House for not one, but TWO terms, because of ignorance and fear. And now that we actually have a chance to have a STATESMAN in the White House for the first time in my lifetime, you would petulantly throw your vote away on ‘Bush Part II’ because you refuse to face the fact that Hillary just doesn’t measure up to the task. She has bankrupted her campaign, she has aligned herself with disreputable individuals, she has lied and ran an ongoing negative campaign and despite it all – you still want her. Fellow women, it doesn’t matter if Hillary is a woman, she is simply not capable and not worthy of running this country! She needs to do what is best for the country (and not for herself for once) and step aside and you all need to wake up and see that a vote for John McCain is simply another ignorant vote for the continuation of the despicable administration we’ve endured for what’s going on 8 years now, and our children deserve better.
Posted by: pr | June 3, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
I am glad that the Obama supporters continue to trash Hillary Clinton. Each time that they day, another vote for him walks over to McCain. Call John McCain’s office and ask what kinds of national town halls he would be willing to do JUST FOR DEMOCRATS? McCain’s stance in 2000 was as centrist as any Democrat. He if knew how many votes he is going to get this November, McCain wouldn’t have to pander to far-right and evangelicals. It’s time to explore all possibilities.
Posted by: LonghornMama | June 3, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
i think if not vp he will give her a very important position,
love to see her get involved in health care reform or something similar…
Posted by: bhrandon | June 3, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
Faith, how can you say that African American’s didn’t vote for BO because he is black! That is ridiculous. He was getting 90% of the black vote! Not even dictators get that kind of %!
Posted by: Mark | June 3, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
there is no way I will vote for Obama! PLEASE Hillary don’t put yourself in this position! Obama is just too green to be our next president. I will have to vote McCain.
Posted by: jane | June 3, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
The VP spot being given to Clinton, will cost us the election in November.
We need balance in foreign policy and nat’l security – Webb, Lugar, Biden, etc.
Clinton should get a spot in the feds for health care.
Posted by: Lynne | June 3, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
I’m an independent who voted for Obama in the Wisconsin primary because I cannot bear the thought of Bill and Hillary Clinton back running the White House, not to mention the entire country. If Obama takes Hillary for his running mate, I’m sorry, but I have to vote McCain in November. Even if his wife is the vice-president, we KNOW Bill will be front and center, he’s not taking a back seat to anybody, even if his wife has the vice-presidential job and he has NO job. I’ve always said that if the general election would come down to Obama vs. McCain, that I would be satisfied either way. If it’s Obama/Clinton, sorry, I have to vote McCain.
Posted by: Jim | June 3, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
hillary is much to intelligent to be his vp,I say she SHOULD WALK OR GO INDEPENDANT and let the dnc,super delegates and all the remaining retards deal with the republican party and McAIN,DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS OVER WITHOUT HILLARY!!!SHE MAKES THEM ALL LOOK BRAINDEAD,PLASTIC FACE QUEEN PELOSI IS AFRAID HILLARY WILL OUT DO HER,AND SHE CAN, ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: SHIRLEY ROYBAL | June 3, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Goodness!!!! you people have being watch to much cable news with all this garbage about Hillary and Obama. These are the same cablenews who sold us the war in Iraq, I can not believe you guys trust them.
Posted by: tad | June 3, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
LOL Kevin Bradford!
Go Graf!
Posted by: Mark | June 3, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Half the country loves her, the other half positively HATES her. Not a good choice for a running mate.
Posted by: Richard | June 3, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
I am a Clinton supporter and I would never vote for Obama. Especially after all the insults that came from his people, and not to mention his reverend and wife who are not too crazy about being in America. Give me a break! He is too young and has too little experience to be president of the United States. He has already mis-spoken too many times and has made several errors in things he has said in which he had to backtrack. and I believe he will be very sympathetic to enemies of America who hate us like Iran. just I don’t feel secure with him as president and think Clinton would have been more experienced and a much better choice.
Posted by: Strong Eagle | June 3, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Shirley Roybal – if she’s that intelligent, why is she still trying to figure out if she won or not??
Posted by: Lynne | June 3, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
There’s nothing more UNdemocratic than the democratic party. The party no longer stands for anything meaningful.
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Someone please explain why Obama is getting such anger from some Hillary supporters? I understand that there is a perception that the media has elevated him, but that’s not Obama’s doing. If you remember, the media narrative at the beginning was that Hillary was the presumptive nominee. That narrative had to change when Obama won 10 contests in a row. Now, it’s just a matter of the math, and it has been for quite awhile. Some Hillary supporters get mad that the media says Obama is the likely nominee, but this is based on actual electoral calculations, not some conspiracy to keep there candidate down.
Hillary supporters who say “never Obama”, ask yourself, are you helping this country with that kind of reasoning? Putting our country in danger out of spite?
Posted by: kenviro | June 3, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Your post is dead on. “McCain IS a great Republican candidate…” It is time to make real change in Washington. It can be like “Let’s Make A Deal.” Here’s what we want and deserve from government. Which one of you two can make this happen? The first thing Obama needs to do to secure his best chance of winning is to make sure that all 18 million HRC voters come to him. If even a FRACTION breaks McCain, Obama’s done. And that’s a fact.
Posted by: LonghornMama | June 3, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
ok – Folks – either you believe in Universal HC and ending the war or you don’t. This isn’t a popularity contest and voting for McCain b/c Hillary couldn’t beat Obama just clearly shows that you don’t know why you were voting for Hillary in the first place. Their positions are parallel (and the anthesis of John McCain).
Posted by: Amy | June 3, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
To all Obama supporters don’t get negative first and think about assassination etc.
The DNC is not stupid.
They know without Hillary Obama can not win in the GE.
I think they’ve been pressing Hillary to become his VP.
Think wisely.
Posted by: catleya | June 3, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Strong Eagle – can you say “premptive war??” Does that make you feel “safe”?
Before you vote this fall, you might want to think about how safe you are with McCain.
Posted by: Lynne | June 3, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
One thing that’s for sure from this post…these two on the same ticket still equal defeat in November. Way too much malice…divided party. Each has the same amount of supporters (although, Obama’s numbers could be lower as many voted before Wright, Michelle, Trininty, Pfleger, Ayers…on and on). He is only 7 delegates away and the votes haven’t been counted in MT and SD. I thought he was 30 somthing away? Super D’s are jumping fast and furious before primary results….kinda lousy….they could have just waited until last vote was counted. They must want him to declare victory tonight. Everyone rushing this through….hope Hillary suspends, sits back and waits for the convention.
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
American needs to grow up and unite. All the bickering and back and forth between both Democats; it needs to stop. We need to unite as 1 and show everyone how things can be done…the right way.
Posted by: Shauna | June 3, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
It sounds good now, but the dream ticket could easily turn into the nightmare ticket.
Hillary migth be better served to do heavy campagining. If Obama wins in November, she will not be running for 8 years. Who knows what will occur then.
If he loses, she could run in 2012. If she is part of a losing ticket, then she would be considered damaged goods.
At this stage, she might be better to support the party and stay in the senate to run another to exercise power in other ways and perhaps have a job for life vs. VP for 8 years and then retirement.
Posted by: scott jeffries | June 3, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Biden and Lugar ect. what a joke they did not get even a single vote in MI.
Posted by: joker4usa | June 3, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
incog-nito – Hard to say whether they’d make a good team at this stage, but I definately think Senator Obama and Senator Clinton should discuss the options.
Posted by: jmengate | June 3, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Hillary for VP, no chance that would be a very costly blunder for Obama,
talk about plotting a ‘palace coup’ on day one
Posted by: EddyUdi | June 3, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
kenviro
It’s not spite – it’s realization that Obama is a fake who associates with and agrees with some real radical hate groups.
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Hillary CANNOT be VP! There is entirely too much footage of her slamming Barrack from the campaign. The RNC and McSenile will use swift boat the both of them and manipulate votes. That is what happens when you run an unsavory campaign. Say good night. Too bad. Next!
Posted by: Greg | June 3, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
No she should not be VP.
Far to much water under the bridge!
The President should have someone he can trust and rely and and Hillary Clinton dosen’t fit that bill.
She should bow out gracefully and let Obama pick his VP.
He has won this round against all odds and he Will defeat McCain this fall without a Clinton.
Do not doubt him this time!
America is ready for change!
Posted by: Judy | June 3, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
ok, I’m now voting for McCain!
Will not support Obama-Clinton ticket.
Posted by: Michelle | June 3, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Hey did anyone notice he just changed Hillary to VP. Change you can believe in.
Posted by: porterwayne757 | June 3, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Hillary says she’s ahead in the popular vote. From a mathematical standpoint, she would receive 300,000+ votes from Michigan and Obama would gain 0 votes. Second, he wasn’t on the ballot. Those who voted “non-committed” could have been voting for Obama, Edwards, or others. Also, delegates are proportional, so why is she behind 182 delegates if she’s “ahead by 300,000 votes?” Even with half of Michigan and Florida, she might lead or at least be only slightly behind Obama in delegates.
08AMA
Posted by: SquirrelmanJ | June 3, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
As a white, older woman, I am embarrassed by my ‘sisters” willingness to sell their political interests and principles down the road because they are in a histrionic snit. As a woman in a leadership position, I am annoyed that their irrational, illogical tantruming gives fuel to the (sexist) notion that women lack the rationality and emotional steadiness for leadership. Grow up, ladies. Hillary lost fair and square. It is not Obama’s fault that he won. He ran a better campaign than Hillary did. Plain and simple. He will make a far better president than McInsane, who will set women’s rights back 100 years with his Supreme Court appointments… Time to get off the pity pot and get back to work ensuring the election of the remaining candidate who is a champion for women’s rights.
Posted by: zorba | June 3, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
She won’t even concede the race to Obama yet, she is still threatening to take the fight to the convention, and now she is trying to pressure him into picking her. What a psychotic bit@@.
Run Obama Run. Get as far away from her as possible. Save the country and save yourself. Run far away from her.
Posted by: The Unshrub | June 3, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
“MY-WAY-OR-THE-HIGHWAY HILLARY??? We’ve had enough of that with Bush!! She’s ALL wrong for VP, she’s using the wrong tactics to get considered!! She is not smart! Her BEST bargaining chip is to concede. How ignorant can she be???
Posted by: Sallie | June 3, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
i am all for it obama doesnt need hillary to win in the fall but it will be even more of a margin he beats mccain with her as v.p. OBAMA/CLINTON 08
Posted by: tom | June 3, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Democratic women and men will not vote for Buckwheat.
Darla lost and we will vote for Spanky.
Losers!
Posted by: Set the record straight | June 3, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
HP Boston: I want to echo what you said:
It will be a cold day in hell before I cast my vote for Barack Obama.
Hillary I’m sorry. You truly are a legend.
Hope I see you in 2012!
McCain ’08! Never Obama!
Posted by: Tim | June 3, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
I’m sorry but running on a war agenda and not having a grasp of economic issues will never get my vote.
It means we’ll be in Iran within 6 months of MC taking office and extremely high gas prices. Not to mention a worse economy than we currently have.
Those brave young men and women in Iraq are the future if this great nation. Please consider them when you walk into that booth because GB hasn’t thought about them.
Posted by: Bh in Phoenix | June 3, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
I hope he rejects her like the PLAGUE!!
Posted by: TimmyII | June 3, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Even if Hillary is offered the VP spot, I will not vote for Far Left Obama.
Why? Because I rather see Hillary run again 2012 than to see Neo-Socialist Obama run for two terms.
“America first, party second.”
Posted by: USmarine0331 | June 3, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
“To say Obama needs Hillary’s followers is disingenous because in reality, most will support Obama as the Democratic nominee because they know to do the right thing for their Country and for themselves.”
Don’t be so sure!!!
This is a poor assumption given the fact that in my lifetime I have never seen such a disgusting Democratic Primary. People across America have been called racist, uneducated, and an assortment of other nasty names by Obama’s Supporters simply becuase they supported a very capable woman that the media has referred to as a vaginal candidate and a white bitch. IT WENT TO FAR TO FORGIVE! Obama was smart to register new voters, but stupid to allow them to insult lifelong core Democarts on blogs, in the media, and everywhere else! We might just be able to hold our nose and vote McCain if he pushes the right buttons!
Posted by: Dave | June 3, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Strong Eagle,
MCain is too old! By the second year he’ll start to forget what half of his Presidential duties are.
Posted by: TW | June 3, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
LOL the clintons are the slickest people on earth, with this huge announcement all over the mass media, there is no way in hell obama can turn her down for the VP slot if he does it will make obama look like a woman hating sexist snob.
Good one Hillary. Good one.
Posted by: Scott | June 3, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
I am indeed weeping now. I am downcasted and i am down in my spirit but God knows better. We lost Hillary what a disaster. I wont get over this for almost sis months to come
Posted by: America will be liberated | June 3, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
OBAMA NEEDS TO OPERATE FROM A POSITION OF STRENGTH AND END THIS CLINTON DRAMA, NOW! THE SECOND HE HITS THE DELEGATE THRESHOLD, HE SHOULD DECLARE HIS VP (SOMEONE *OTHER* THAN CLINTON), AND END THIS THREE MONTH CLINTON DISASTER TRAIN-WRECK.
Posted by: Eric | June 3, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Just wondering: If Obama wins, will blacks finally stop complaining that they are being held back by “The Man”? If “The Man” is black, things should get better, reduction in crime, lower birth rates, more parents taking an interest in their child’s education, right? Just wondering.
Posted by: Just Wondering | June 3, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Although I have was not old enough prior to 1990, as a child growing up in South Carolina, where the Republicans dominate, I had ALWAYS wondered why the REPUBLICANS always SEEMED to WIN…….
News FLASH: I was dumb enough to join the official party of emotional blackmaileers.
While the Hillary supporters sit on the sideline crying because of their attempt to make the Clintons our royal family, the REPUBLICANS will gladly accept their votes.
If you think conditions in the US cannot get worse, vote for McCain and the Republicans will GLADLY continue to erase what’s left of the New Deal.
With a damaged middle class in a post-Bush era, McCain (who admits to knowing very little about economics) will be the NEXT-BEST thing to Hoover.
To be cont…
(What about the courts???) There goes the country you be dedicated to…..(COUNTRY, not family or person).
Posted by: David (Miami) | June 3, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
I am an Obama supporter and have been since the beginning. I really respect the Clinton’s and how hard a campaign she has run. Her campaign has made mistakes, but so has Obama’s. I really think both candidates need to think hard what is best for the party, but I would not mind having Hillary on the ticket. I really think this so-called “Dream Ticket” would be unbeatable.
Posted by: Indycvs | June 3, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Hillary is in a State Of Denial, ducking sniper fire, say+promise anything full speed ahead to the White House. The Delegates+Superdelegates can see thru that, only some common persons cannot see it
Posted by: John Lee | June 3, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Way to go Dave at 4:26. These people just don’t get it. If any of his silly supporters (or Obama himself) think that they can play all nice and kiss and make up now that they need us, THEY ARE IN FOR A BIG SURPRISE. HOWARD DEAN, PELOSI, REID AND ALL ARE IN FOR THE SHOCK OF THEIR LIFE. They have underestimated us.
Posted by: Judy | June 3, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
We can do what is easy. We can go on living as we do. We can destroy the environment. We can delay the inevitable with tax holidays. We can bankrupt our country’s future. We can continue living in fear of foreign governments. We can let our children pay for the consequences of our inaction. We can vote for McCain.
Or we can come together for change.
Obama is our only hope, our last hope.
Posted by: James | June 3, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
I think it is a shame that people would be willing to continue to suffer with 4 more years of Bushville, just because they don’t want a black man to be the President of the United States! That is what it really boils down to. You are such a sore loser when you would rather put another clueless character in office than to give the man a chance. Obama and Hillary stand for the same basic things, yet you try to hide behind the thought that he is not qualified. Don’t worry, the truth will be revealed in the end of all things. Your true feelings and motives will be made available for all to see. It only goes to show that Bush isn’t the only “space case” on the planet. Anyone who would switch from the Democratic Party to vote for McCain, simply because the one left standing happens to be a black man, is much worse than Bush and McCain put together. If Obama were any other color, speaking the same exact things, having the same things happen, we wouldn’t be here today arguing over this very tired topic. The race would be over by now. In the end, we would all have you to blame for our country becoming the biggest laughing stock of the planet. You will be the blame for our families not having what they need, record numbers of foreclosures, gas prices at $5, $6, $7 or more a gallon(Oh, it is coming if McCain gets in), our sons and daughters either slaughtered by the enemy or committing suicide from the trauma and pressure of it all, and so on and so on. Go right ahead and be foolish. You will suffer right along with everybody else. As fate usually will have it, it will hit you the worst. You always reap what your sow.
Posted by: FTAV | June 3, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
At least this will make the wicked Pelosi quiet we will have Clinton to an office greater than hers.
Posted by: America will be liberated | June 3, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
I applaud Obama’s win, even as I have doubts about his thin resume. However, there is a reason, or several reasons, why he was able to come out of nowhere and win over The Clintons. If he’s as smart as he appears to be, I can’t imagine that he won’t search high and low for another strong VP candidate, one without so much baggage. It appears to me that Bill subconsciously sunk Hillary’s campaign in a wide variety of ways. He has enough pastors to ward off; he doesn’t need to have to fight Bubba’s “misstatements”, too. Besides, as a Republican, I would be thrilled to have Hillary on the ticket to get the apathetic Republicans storming out to vote for McCain.
Posted by: Liz | June 3, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
If Obama picks Clinton as his running mate this woman will vote for McCain, no second thoughts needed here. Clinton should have dropped out a long time ago, we do not need her as our Top Leader! I think there are other candidates that dropped out early in the race that would make a better VP than Clinton.
Posted by: kd | June 3, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Wolf | Jun 3, 2008 4:15:09 PM
“The families of the soldiers who won’t live thru his term of unending warfare hope you reconsider.”
Maybe you haven’t been brought up to speed on this, but the military mainly votes for the republican party. Especially the actual combat men of the military. So they are voting for McCain already.
It is just a fact, so don’t shoot the messenger.
Besides do you really think they will vote for a guy with Muslim ties that wants to sit down with terrorists??? Highly doubt it.
Posted by: GTA | June 3, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
No way Obama asks Hillary to be on the ticket. Barark Obama has too much integrity to allow a snake like Hillary anywhere near the White House.
OBAMA ’08
Posted by: TampaJoey | June 3, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Obama has much better options that to pick Clinton as his running mate. After running down Obama all these months and claiming to be the superior choice, can you really picture Clinton accepting the VP spot for anything other than a selfish shot at being “co-president”? Putting Clinton in as his VP pick will do nothing more than alienate more Obama supporters than it will draw in from Clinton supporters and paint a big bulls-eye on his back for Clinton to aim at during Obama’s entire administration.
Posted by: Publius | June 3, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
It would be the smartest thing. Let’s hope Obama is smart enough and man enough.
Otherwise, I’m not voting for him.
Posted by: Admit the Obvious | June 3, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Stop it. Obama should pick Chuck Hagel. Hagel is a Republican and is very well liked by moderate.independent voters. It would send a powerful message to the Republicans. Obama/Hagel 08′. It would be unstoppable.
Posted by: Tim | June 3, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
America we need to unite we can’t have McCain serve Bush’s 3rd term. We need to stand together regardless of what happens. I don’t really care too much for Hillary, however if she needs to be on the ticket for Americans to vote for change then so be it. We can’t afford four more years of high gas prices, high groceries, layoffs, horrible healthcare, and a lack of focus towards education.
Let’s Unite!!!
Obama ’08/’12
Posted by: Jessica | June 3, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
That would be like Luke Skywalker choosing Darth Vader as his co-pilot!
Posted by: christa | June 3, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
come on democrats lets get behind our party—-i am obama all the way and always have been but if hillary was the one getting the nomination i would vote for her but that is not the case so i am for hillary as v.p. she can help him and he can help her just think people her as v.p. will almost guarntee 16 years of a democrat in the whitehouse 8 years for obama 8 years for clinton
Posted by: tom | June 3, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
LOL the clintons are the slickest people on earth, with this huge announcement all over the mass media, there is no way in hell obama can turn her down for the VP slot if he does it will make obama look like a woman hating sexist snob.
Good one Hillary. Good one.
Posted by: Scott | June 3, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Because Hillary’s argument is WRONG. She doesn’t have the popular vote. She discounts all the caucus states that voted and includes Michigan where Obama wasn’t on the ballot. She fibs so much, she actually believes her lies. Like dodging Bosnia fire, and a right wing conspiracy behind her husband’s infidelity.
Posted by: Klikit | June 3, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Don’t forget that rules are guide lines to a common purpose. They are not the purpose.
Therefore, if rules need to be broken to achieve that common purpose, let them be.
Country first, citizens, then party!
Hillary has the most support from the citizens. She should be the next president!
Posted by: Freespeech | June 3, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Bonnie I am with you I will not vote for him if she is on this ticket,first something would happenand guess who would fill the seat?????Right ,second that would be her again for 8 more years this ocuntry can not stand this NEW we wanted CHANGE Obama not the Clintons.You will have lost a vote for an IND I hope they read these.
Posted by: white woman ind. voter | June 3, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
tom
You’re joking. Aren’t you?
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Well since the Clinton’s know all about vice so she would be ready on day one.
Posted by: Schlindamae | June 3, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
“So much pressure, so much pressure”.
“I’m exhausted”
What happened to the all the boring chants of “ready to lead on day one in the white house” and “you know, it’s tough to be president- at 3am she has to be ready to make some tough decisions.”
Yea, right.
Posted by: rick | June 3, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
There is no way he can defeat Mccain without Hillary on the ticket. If Hillary agrees to be his running mate I still wont vote for him.
Posted by: brigitte | June 3, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Obama has the popular vote. Count Iowa, Washington, Maine and Michigan votes for Obama!
Posted by: Kory | June 3, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Longhornmama,
I agree.
We all know McCain once against Bush policy and he is kind of half Democrat.
All he need is to reform some his policy and make it fit into Democrat.
I hope he can do that.
Posted by: catleya | June 3, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Just Wondering,
I’m black and never once had I said that the white man or woman has held me back.
I’m in of my control my destiny. Just as Obama who obviously worked very hard to achieve his accomplishments.
Can a black person be success on just hard work? I’m just wondering?
Posted by: TW | June 3, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
How does this woman stand up without falling down considering all the “spinning” she does. In the world of Clinton she’s winning the nomination based upon the popular vote. Nevermind not a single other political analysist comes up with the same numbers and conclusion but in Clinton’s world, she’s winning.
Clinton says we should not seat Florida and Michigan delegates because they broke the rules. Of course, that was before she decided she needed them. Suddenly her position is, “we have to count those votes.”
She has the audacity to offer Obama the vice presidency when he is winning this nomination then says she would never consider being the VP. Now she’s saying she’s open to the possibility.
This woman isn’t just slightly shifting her position on issues, she’s doing a 360. And some of you people think she’s the better candidate? Are you kidding me? Are you that insane and ill informed? Or are you all so busy doing those same things in your personal lives that what she’s doing is perfectly acceptable.
How can you trust anything this woman says? Considering the primary job of the VP is to sit around and wait for the President to die, who’d want that thing, that woman, watching their back? I say after the polls close this evening we ship her and her ridiculous husband to some third world country. Let’s send her daughter too.
Posted by: Rae | June 3, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Never Never
Ever Ever
Never Never
Voting for Hillary!
But, I don’t really have to worry about that since she’s NOT going to even be on the ticket anyway.
OBAMA ’08 the country has spoken!
Posted by: TampaJoey | June 3, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
I hope that Sen. Obama is not dumb enough to let her on the ticket. You can’t convince me that given all of the negativity Bill & Hill have spewed makes her even a viable choice. Besides does Obama even want to have Bill in the back ground second guessing him. If you put her on the ticket you’ve lost my vote.
Gene
Posted by: Gene | June 3, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
This story proves that this nomination process is about sexism. The Dem. Party has stream-lined their super liberal candidate in our faces. And now they need Hillary to help Obama win in Nov. she shouldn’t go for it. Maybe she should be his secretary.
Posted by: Tom NYC | June 3, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
The Clintons just solidified the GOPs to rally behind McCain by shamelessly offering herself as the Veep. I don’t know if this will really rally her sycophants to the ticket as much as it will backfire and positioned her well for 2012. This offer puts Barack in a quandry as refusing to offer the VP slot even as a courtesy will incite her sycophants with rage. On the other hand, the Clinton baggage might be too heavy for him to carry the campaign with dexterity. Aside from that, Barack can’t count on her loyalty as shown at every turn in this campaign how they tried to sink him by hook or by crook. When some scandal erupts in a Barack WH through no fault of him, you can count that Hill will demand to sacrifice the King so she can be crowned the Queen ! That’s the reality in having the Clintons. I definitely would like to vanish them to political oblivion and spare the country from their psycho narcissistic drama and redefining “is” and fairy tale of sniper fire ! If Barack wants to stick to the slogan of change, then the Clintons are not the right partners. Dump her and all her sycophants !
Posted by: wilson | June 3, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
s——–about what would that be that i am kidding?
Posted by: tom | June 3, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
This story proves that this nomination process is about sexism. The Dem. Party has stream-lined their super liberal candidate in our faces. And now they need Hillary to help Obama win in Nov. she shouldn’t go for it. Maybe she should be his secretary.
Posted by: Tom NYC | June 3, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Every time Obama supporters accuse someone of being a racist, which is to my mind the most vile thing a person could really be, votes walk from Obama to McCain. It’s not any individual’s fault that Obama used 15 months saying “Hope and change, hope and change, hope and change,” when he could have been distancing himself from that truly racist church and introducing himself to voters. Every time Michelle got near a reporter, she said something that was fairly incendiary, so they apparently decided not to let people get to know her either. Don’t blame this on the voters. This is the most crucial decision we make as a free democracy. And McCain is super well-known to Americans. Blame some of this on the Obamas themselves for their exotic choices in friends.
Posted by: LonghornMama | June 3, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
I will not be happy if Hillary Clinton in the choice for VP….and it sounds as if Obama may be forced to choose her…there’s been too much dirt slinging for them to actually run together.
Posted by: Sue D | June 3, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
This campaign is analogous to a hard-fought college football game. Both sides hit each other and hit each other hard. Sometimes, things even get a little dirty. Each side gives it their best until the final gun sounds. But when the game is over, you congratulate the winner, shake hands, and move on. It is over. It is now time for both Hillary and Barack to shake hands and move on to the General Election.
Posted by: Indycvs | June 3, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
By making herself available if Obama chooses, Clinton wants to make herself appear to be the scorned woman when he doesn’t offer the VP to her. That way, she can hurt Obama AND the party even further. Clinton ruined her chances for the #1 slot with a horribly botched campaign. Now she thinks her ‘entitlement’ should be extended to a share of the ticket. Her plan of a co-presidency won’t fly with Obama or the nation. (Remember, Ford offered to do that with Reagan, who wisely said no.) Hillary, you can pick out a new pantsuit for the prom… but the big dance isn’t in the cards for you.
Posted by: Great Caesar's Ghost | June 3, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Hey S…
“angie
What, exactly, has Obama won during the last couple of months?”
1. Oregon
2. North Carolina
3. Mississippi
4. The Democratic Nomination
Posted by: Karl | June 3, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Oh YES, I am SMART enough to vote for McCain regardless of Hillary’s becoming part of the “Dream Ticket”. The DNC has played ugly, cheating politics in this campaign and the leaders need to be dumped as quickly as they have dumped Clinton. To H with the DNC and obama.
Never would obama get my vote if he reincarnated JFK or RFK to run along side him. He is a charlatan and a criminal. And his background will be called forth when he runs against McCain and I don’t think any Dream Ticket will save him.
The DNC will implode in November and I say its about time.
Sorry Hillary, you gave it a grand fight, but the fact that the DNC now, NOW – needs you for obama to win is just pathetic. I hope you are woman enough to stand back and tell then where to head. You could win the presidency if you go Independent and raise a lot of money at the same time as an Independent. You should really consider this. You can bring this country back together and I really think that John McCain would help you in this. To H with obama and DNC – they will only raise taxes on the “typical white person” so obama can spend it on promises made when campaigning. Why is it that people do not see this?
Posted by: Lou | June 3, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
WHAT A BOLD FACED LIAR…
YESTERDAY SHE SAID SHE’D NEVER CONSIDER BEING VEEP.
Posted by: CHUCK | June 3, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
48.92 is what Obama has of the Dem vote so far…I missed Hillary’s number…but he sure as hell needs her 18 millions voters behind him. He’ll lose alot anyways for his UnAmerican aura….and even with Hillary, it’s McCain’s in Nov.
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Why not vote for Obama. He shares the same veiws on the majority of the policies in Washington. Are we as a country not going to vote for a man because of the color of skin. We promote democracy and fight for liberty through out the world, yet we are arguing over whether Obama is fit for the presidency. We as Americans can not pretend that slavery did not happen. In the last few decades we have put policies in place to combat such hatred. Some many have fought for freedom and liberty. Obama has shown his superb organization skills by running a fantastic campaign. I hope that we as a nation can get passour preducies and vote for the better candidate. I have one question what can John McCain do for America that Obama can not?
Posted by: SR | June 3, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Why are we having these conversations? Let’s get over it and get behind Obama. My Candidate didn’t win and I am big enough to support the Democratic Party regardless of the person representing. We must continue to hold ALL of our elected officials accountable…blacks, whites and others!
Women who consider voting for McSame to spite Obama, will be hurting us all. I don’t believe that women will do that. It is painful for us all right now, but we need to heal…right now!!!!
Posted by: BlackIce | June 3, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Sen Clinton is an asset to the Dem Party she will be helpfull in endeavor that is given to her, People should not presure her or Obama into choosing her as a running mate. Lte Hillary & Barack speak and make their own decisions on what is best for them. What’s important is that they are on the same team and working for the betterment of America together, America wins!
Dems 08
Posted by: jld1959 | June 3, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
OBAMA/CLINTON 08 ——get used to it people that si what it will be
Posted by: tom | June 3, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
I won’t vote for Obama if he selects her a s VP. Way too much baggage, especially Bill, that blowhard husband of hers, and a bevy of Mark Penn type of personal advisors that like to stir up trouble and use old-style political slurs like McCain. Why would Obama want all that inevitable heartache and trouble? He would be constantly having to apologize for them.
Posted by: Sean | June 3, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
I’m up for a Obama/Clinton ticket. Just to see Pelosi and CO. sweat, now that golden boy would have Hillary, and they wont be able to pull his strings.
Posted by: char19145 | June 3, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
I will vote for Obama only if Hillary is on the ticket. If he choses not to place her on the ticket then I will work with other’s that are disenfranchished DEMOCRAT’s and work hard to write her in, for Novemeber or develope a new party called the New Independant party that will seek to place her as the candiate. The Democratic Party is as corrupt as the republican Party now, they are not the party of the people anymore. But for themselves and who they want to control. Shame on them and their lack of integrity.
Posted by: Katie | June 3, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
HRC as VP is the nightmare ticket, not the dream ticket. WJC is the wild card that makes this unacceptable. She should have shed him before running for the Senate
Posted by: LPetersen | June 3, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
OBAMA deserves alot more respect than the Clinton Clan has been giving him. Even while the Clintons continually want to throw the kitcen sink and the ugly side of politics, OBAMA has done something amazing, he has BEATEN THE CLINTON MACHINE without degenerating into the politics of personal destruction that Bill, Hillary and her surrogates have thus far. MAKE NO MISTAKE, A CLINTON NEVER SAYS ANYTHING THAT IS NOT INTENDED TO HAVE A CERTAIN EFFECT. You may not get it and may interpret it as a faux pas or slip of the tongue. THEY DON’T DO IT. Everything is by design. So even when it became clear that she could not win, Bill goes off on the OBAMA friendly media, Hillary talks about RFK Assassination etc. YOU WANT TO BE VP? Show the man who beat you some respect! You do not hold a future President hostage to demands. You do not dictate from second place.
Posted by: Christopher London | June 3, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Hillary as Obama’s VP choice? NO WAY! Taking into consideration all the nasty things that Hillary and her supporters have said about Obama he shouldn’t reward her with the VP slot. That position should go to a person with integrity (which Hillary lacks) and someone with a strong military background (to counter John McCain’s military service). To me, the VP slot should go to Senator Jim Webb of Virginia.
Posted by: PhilBgood | June 3, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
I don’t really support Hillary’s political views, like bombing Iran with nuclear weapons and saying Obama is unelectable. But apparently she is well liked by many white women and rural white voters as well as Hispanics. Since many people like her so much and she won’t be able to influence Obama if he is running for President, she would be okay as a running mate. She might even learn from him a little more about being humble and not mudslinging. How would Obama get Bill Clinton to calm down? I think Hillary’s biggest problem is her desire to be a warmonger and her husband’s bad temper. She could have joined sides w/Obama a long time ago. I don’t think Obama has much of a choice but to accept her as VP with so many people voting for her in the last primaries. I personally think they would be unbeatable together, but it would depend on whether Hillary would try to backstab him to become President.
Posted by: Raphael, Lawrenceville | June 3, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
It would be a catastrophic error in judgement for Hillary Clinton to be on the ticket.
How can two walk together unless they agree? With Bill, Obama is toast. That man is a megalomaniac.
Posted by: Churchill | June 3, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Obama’s actions for the last 20 years shows that he shares the radical left-wing values of Jeremiah Wright, Michael Pfleger, and Louis Farrakahn.
Having Hillary to run as his VP doesn’t change this fact.
I rather see Obama go down in flames, and vote for Hillary again in 2012.
America doesn’t need someone who secretly agrees with Jeremiah Wright that the U.S. Government invented HIV to commit genocide against African-Americans.
“America first, party second!”
Posted by: USmarine0331 | June 3, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
No way Democrats will vote for obama.
Posted by: Libre | June 3, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Krissy K,
Setting aside the fact that you haven’t given any examples to show he is a moderate, but merely examples to show he has a reputation for being a moderate, you say that the policies on his website are quite rightwing, but thats just for show to fool the rubes because real people know he is a moderate?!?!
For every ‘moderate’ position he supposedly holds, I have seen him contradict by word or deed within a year. He was so principled about his unequivocal opposition against torture until he voted for it. He was so down on lobbyists and big Washinton ways, until he staffed his whole campaign with lobbyists. And there is nothing moderate about threatening to launch a preemptive war on Iran.
You see my point demonstrated conclusively by the following simple mathematical proof:
McCain = Bush
Posted by: Linus Bern | June 3, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
My husband is a Republican and he knows I support Hillary, but asked me a couple of days ago “wouldn’t you respect her more if she rejected an offer from him, KNOWING his anti-white, anti-jew, anti-American associations”? I said absolutely. She needs to reject him in a way it won’t be perceived as hurting the party….let him go down on his own…run in 4 years after McCain’s term.
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Not going to happen.
Mrs. Clinton burned every bridge in sight.
Then Mr. Clinton tore down the pilings.
“Change We Can Believe In” was never just a slogan.
It was — and is — a fierce belief in the future of this country. It starts with Mr. Obama and will be accompanied by a running mate who shares his vision and values.
My guess? Governor Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas.
Mr. Obama needs the Women Vote, but he doesn’t need Mrs. Clinton to get it.
Anybody who presumes to speak for the millions of women who voted for Mrs. Clinton by saying they will all vote for Mr. McCain or stay home has, at best, delusions of grandeur or, at worst, a tragically shallow misunderstanding of the intelligence of these voters.
Disappointed? Yes, they are.
Willing to throw more sons, grandsons, husbands, daughters, brothers, sisters, granddaughters, and wives onto Mr. McCain’s Irag/Iran funeral pyre?
I don’t think so.
Willing to watch their daughters and sisters bleed to death in some back alley after Roe v. Wade is overturned by a McCain Supreme Court filled with Thomases, Scalias, and Alitos?
I don’t think so.
I could be wrong.
But I don’t think so.
Posted by: LA | June 3, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
What a shame if Obama wins with Clinton on the ticket! So my vote goes to McCain no matter who is on Obama’s ticket. How could she have another shot in 4 years if Obama wins? Please everyone, NoBama ever!!!!
Posted by: tiger | June 3, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Hillary please don’t go on the ticket with BO. I will never vote Obama, it would be against my principals.
Posted by: mary | June 3, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Hilary Clinton will be disastrous for Obama’s vision of a new America and a new world order. He is what Clinton is not: positive attitude to life and even to his opponents. Clinton is uncapable of that. Kathleen Sabelius will a good running mate for Obama. If Clinton has had the idea of being a running-mate, she should not have tried to destroy Obama by voting for McCain. Politically, the Clintons are finished.
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Kally-Williams | June 3, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
People can choose NOT to support Hillary. People can also watch even a fraction of the vote go to McCain and ensure Obama’s loss. Talk about fearmongering, Roe v. Wade isn’t going anywhere. Republicans wanted to slash their wrists when McCain got the nom, because he is so moderate. Don’t let them scare you about a man you already know is an American hero.
Posted by: LonghornMama | June 3, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Senator Obama should not offer the VP slot to Hillary Clinton. She cannot be trusted. Let’s not forget “Bosnia” and her attempts to count the votes in Michigan wherein his name wasn’t even on the ballot.
Posted by: andy florida | June 3, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
If it was a dream ticket it would bring the party together, but I personally think Sen Clinton should go to the Credentials Committee in August, because the DNC have acted in a totally biased way…I say continue to support Hillary.
Posted by: Di | June 3, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Sounds like a lot of McCain supporters on this blog trying to stir up trouble…
Bottom line… Democrats will unite and McCain and the Republican party are toast.
The Republican trademark need a super rework after GW and Foxnews destroyed it. Maybe in 2016….
Posted by: Roy | June 3, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush…Clinton??
Not good for the country to keep the same 2 families in the Oval Office for so long. There WILL be a woman president. Personaly, Im glad that this will not be the woman.
Posted by: Charles | June 3, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Obama’s supporters need to get a clue. If he does not offer her the VP slot, he’s doomed come November. There is no way now he’s going to win the General Election if Hillary is not on the ticket. They are almost equal with the votes. There is no other viable candidate that Obama can choose that has the momemtum that Hillary has. PERIOD!
Posted by: Neal | June 3, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Don’t do it Obama!
Posted by: Vince Foster | June 3, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
No way Nancy will share power with another woman. She controls the convention and she controls the perks the congressional supers get.
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
I normally vote for third parties – and i’m not considering voting for Obama unless Clinton is on the ticket.
Posted by: Dk | June 3, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
The delegates are much like the electorial college both systems are out of date. The popular vote is the only thing that should matter. It is amazing how we all have our favorites. Personally I find that all politicians will kiss as many babies and say what ever they have to to get elected. When in reality they can only accomplish 10% of what they promise. Yet we are more likely to believe the one that has the best speech, simply poetic. Personally, I want a war horse. Someone that has been in the trenches. I am thinking John McCain especially since Hillary is out.
Posted by: storm4uar | June 3, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Hillary as VP, means she’ll be President by January 2009! Anybody that really thinks that certain types of people in the United States will let him become President are dead wrong! Basically, if she is on the ticket they will win the election and he will be assassinated before he can take the oath of office.
Posted by: richie_ryan | June 3, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
USmarine0331 – I heard that you “secretly agreed” with something bad one of your friends said a few years back. You should be shunned, I say, SHUNNED!
Posted by: jock59801 | June 3, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
United we win. Obama/Clinton ’08!!!
Posted by: Mike S | June 3, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Memo to Hillary: Men don’t like needy women, and you’re sounding needier and needier with each passing day. The only way Obama would ever consider you for veep is if you managed a quickie-divorce from Bill like, yesterday. He’s the real reason you lost.
Posted by: Frank | June 3, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
To ‘S’, I sincerely hope you aren’t serious. I am a woman and would never be so petty as to vote for McCain and subject our country to four more years of Bush policies just to protest the fact that Hillary didn’t get the Dem nomination. She herself has said that in the long run, she will do anything it takes for the dems to win the election this year…how are you supporting her by working against her?
Posted by: Hail2Skins91 | June 3, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Hillary hasn’t fogotten about Bobby K. Yeah I’ll be veep.
Posted by: Ivebeenaround | June 3, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
As a republican wanting a change from our current course, I was planning on voting for Obama. If HRC is on the ticket it will definitely be McCain. Don’t throw away the “Obama Republicans!”
Posted by: Tucker Maclain | June 3, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Linus Bern
Nobody wants war with Iran. I’m sure he doesn’t either. I don’t.
I don’t want to sound like a hypocrite but when Hillary said she would nuke Iran, so be it. There must be an excellent reason for her saying it.
So the answer you get from me is…So!?!
Everything else you state proves he is a moderate. Not some ultra right wing extemeist worse than limbaugh or something.
Posted by: GTA | June 3, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
I hope that all these people saying they were going to vote for hillary, but now mccain are either joking, or republican shills. You should be voting for a politician that represents your views, not just a personality contest. Obama and Hillary have very very similar policies, while mccain is just bush version 2.
Truly moronic to be so blinded that since your 1st choice didn’t win you would sabotage a country. Acting like a 8 year old throwing a temper tantrum in a store because you didn’t get exactly what you wanted! Support your beliefs any hillary supporter with a brain should also be an obama supporter.
OBAMA 08
Posted by: Astonished | June 3, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
It must be painful for the Clinton’s, who were the media darlings 16 years ago to deal with the fact that the media has crowned a new king, and it isn’t the Clinton’s. More important, will the American public see through the actions of a corrupt media who can make or break candidates. Because that is exactly what has happend this time around.
Posted by: Doug | June 3, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Hey s newsflash the earth is round and we are held down by gravity.
Posted by: porterwayne757 | June 3, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
S.. the “H” stand for “HA” you didn’t think I could do it
Posted by: truthtell | June 3, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
John
Why wouldn’t many democrats vote for McCain (a real man) as opposed to Obama (a real puppet)?
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
We want our society free from fear and lies, who respect civil liberties, freedom and justice, the very foundation of this nation. Not controlled by fear-and-war mongers, ignoring the constitutions and the principles our country is built upon. We need to bring back the greatness of this nation not only in the heart of its people but also in the eyes of all people all over the world. And Obama has heart and chance to do that. Let us vote for Obama.
Posted by: GoodCitizen | June 3, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
I kinda figured she would threatin to run as an Ind…and split up the vote..
Posted by: Puzzled | June 3, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Webbstir, it drives me nuts for people to say that Hillary didn’t win the popular vote. YES, SHE DID. Only this stupid group of 30 DNC people decided that they wouldn’t count towards delegates, but as a point of law and our constitution, when a vote has been certified as it was in both states, it counts as a vote. Now if you want to argue about delegates, yes, I concede. But not on votes. This committee violated the most important right we have as Americans. That is to COUNT EVERY VOTE. Article 12 also demands that the vote they gave Obama from Michigan is the invalid count. Uncommitted votes by law must stay uncommitted.
Posted by: LonghornMama | June 3, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
LOL at you idiotic Obama supporters. I call you idiots the “uninformed educated” better known as pseudo intellects. Doesn’t it bother you morons that Obama has yet to win a large state or swing state needed to win in the GE? Obama has no choice but to put Hillary on the ticket because she has more than 17 million supporters plus she’s ahead in the popular vote. HELLO
Posted by: MR | June 3, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
When it’s all said and done we are all equal,black or white men or women we all breath the same air and that’s “life” period.
Posted by: manithe | June 3, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Where’s the popcorn! This is like watching a train wreck but you can’t stop! The party of tolerance at each other’s throats like 2 cats in a bag!
Posted by: vanhalen20012000 | June 3, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
We don’t need Hillary supporters!
Go vote for McCain!
You are not needed!
Losers. Losers. Losers.
Posted by: Doug | June 3, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
GoodCitizen
I’d rather vote for a real man. Thank you!
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
I never realized how stupid and naive white middle class women are in this country.
OBAMA ’08
Posted by: TampaJoey | June 3, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
If Hillary decides to run as an Independent it would be political suicide for her and I don’t think she is willing to go that far. She still has a strong future in the party as a possible VP candidate during this campaign or many other high ranking positions after the Presidency is secured. If she continues under a different venue she will not win anything and will just be a spoiler for the Democrats. The Dems would be so ticked off that she would never win any office again, ever. Not a good position for someone that has worked hard all her life as a public servant. She needs to continue to work hard as a Democrat and help Obama move this country in a positive direction. Her positive attitude can help heal a lot of the harsh feelings Obama supporters may currently have and can do nothing but good things in her quest to become the first woman President.
Posted by: dan | June 3, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Hillary for VP
Bill for assistant VP
I like it!
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Whoever posted the “sucking cocks” blog and added my name is a complete COWARD. There’s that stupid ignorance AGAIN! I rest my case! If you got an issue with me, post your name. Be a woman or man about it. I’ll bet you’d just LOVE to have a Black man, wouldn’t you?
Posted by: DeeDee | June 3, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Obama is a fake. Anybody that votes for him is garbage. He hasn’t done ANYTHING but give speeches. He never talks about his policies EVER. Why would anybody vote for him??
Posted by: Ryan | June 3, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Now I would support that.
Hillary as an independent. That would send the message to the party that we reject your candidate and the direction you have taken my party.
Either way
Hillary ’08
Posted by: Krissy K | June 3, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
unfortunately hillary conducted a very negative, divisive campaign, which is just what our country DIDN’T need, especially considering that we’re actively fighting a war on two fronts, and cannot trust our “allies.” We need someone who can unit us as a nation, focus our energy as a nation, bring the American people together, stop the race baiting and race hating. As Obama comes from a mixed race background, remember, he’s both white and black, perhaps he is better suited to heal the rifts that have torn apart American society and guide us to being that great society envisioned by our forefathers. Yes indeed, God bless America, and God bless our next president, Mr. Barack Obama ! ! !
Posted by: canthidefromthetruth | June 3, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
TAMPAJOEY, you have no room calling people naive. Obama is as naive as they come.
McCain ’08
Posted by: Ryan | June 3, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
I don’t want anyone to confuse my comments as Republican on this blog. I have voted for Democrats for 30 years. But I called John McCain’s office and asked if he would be willing to have national town halls to meet ONLY WITH DEMOCRATS. I want to know if his views on the environment, economy and the war can be balanced more toward the center. If they can, McCain is the guy to vote for. He absolutely loves this country and has sacrificed a lot personally to serve the people. That has to matter also in the equation of what’s on the ballot.
Posted by: LonghornMama | June 3, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
This liberal Democrat refuses to vote for Obama unless Hillary is on the ticket. I won’t vote for McCain, but will just not vote. Obama is vague, has belong to a racist church, and I’ve seen him smirk when his rally’s boo Senator Clinton. Is this mature? Senator Clinton’s San Juan had people booing Obama, and she just kept talking and ignored them. SO, Obama, you lost me!!!
Posted by: Amy | June 3, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
First of all, how humiliating for Hillary to be VP. Secondly, she will never play second fiddle and all we need is WW3 in the White House. This is a very bad idea. Obama needs to keep the theme of change and pick someone new. This is one case of “we do not need to recycle”. Clintons are phonies……please lets get a new start.
Posted by: Dreyer | June 3, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Darla has lost.
Buckwheat has won.
Everyone will vote for Spanky.
Hillary Supporters are racist!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Little Rascals | June 3, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
what a damn shame…she should have the nomination. Obama has to at least offer it to her to appease some of her staunch supporters (like me) but I think she should NOT take it and then McCain will win and another great woman democrat can run in 2012 and Obama will be history. Obama is going down…
Posted by: babs | June 3, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Under normal circumstances, I would say yes to Hillary Clinton as VP. But with Bill and all the other baggage from past years, I fear it will just be drama, drama, drama. That’s just who they are.
Hillary Clinton in the cabinet would be great and very effective. Just not in a position that will cause the President to be so distracted that we don’t get things done. We have already had so many years of that with Bush.
Posted by: Independent04 | June 3, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
The way republicans have swamped the blogs claiming to be democrats and blaming, insulting and accusing Obama from not brushing his teeth to not having what it takes to be president surely gives me cause for hope.
This year in this cycle the year of Obama has begun. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me especially if its written by nitwits in lala-land.
Obama is going to win the Presidency!!! no amount of crying, screaming, whinning, sulking, selective amnesia and plain stupidity will stop Obama from the white house
Posted by: chad22 | June 3, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
This nation is built upon freedom and justice. We have laws in our justice system that respect civil liberties. Innocent until proven guilty, not vice versa. There should balance of power, no warrantless wiretaps, no warrantless spying, no labeling everyone that do no agree with us as enemy or non-patriotic. We need to bring our constitution and principles back. Let us vote for Obama.
Posted by: GoodCitizen | June 3, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Hillary Clinton as Independent. not with obama please, Democrats won’t vote for obama even with Hillary as VP.
Posted by: Libre | June 3, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Democrats are awaken to one irrefutable fact: Republicans have squandered this nation’s economic resources.
Posted by: JOE | June 3, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
It makes political sense for Obama to consider Hillary amongst all the other possibilities for VP but under no circumstances should he be compelled to take her on the ticket if the ticket will loose in November. As is becoming obvious the criticism of Bill and Hillary will keep the press busy and the press focus on Bill’s women on the trail, whether fair or unfair, true or untrue may seem newsworthy for some unethical journalists quite appropriately characterized by Bill as s–bags, the focus should be on issues that can change America for the better and to win the hearts of the world once again. My different perspective on Bill is that he has campaigned tirelessly for his wife and has supported her more than any political husband I have known and watched, I would rate him as the husband of the year 2008 and I would rate the journalist from Vanity fair as the worst journalist of 2008. Tabloid style nasty Journalists who think that selective negativity sells and scandals sell are not serving the readers who want the truth in reporting and fairness in journalism.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | June 3, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Everyone here calls each other names, accuses, gripes, moans…if you’re not for my candidate you’re a sexist if you don’t vote for the candidate with a uterus, you’re a racist if you don’t support Obama, and you’re just plain filth if you’re a conservative. How about some talk about issues? Will our taxes go up under Obama? McCain? What will happen to our medical care? What will happen to Social Security? What will happen to our relationship with other countries? You people seem more interested in attacking each other than in backing a nominee. Can anyone here tell me Hillary’s views on income tax, capital gains tax, welfare, health care, and what it will cost the taxpayers? How about Obama? How about McCain? It’s all emotion. No substance. Anyone can throw a temper tantrum, including my 2 year old grand daughter. Someone try to figure out how these people will affect the lives of the large middle class.
Posted by: NICKELFLIPPER | June 3, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
If I were Obama, I would never give her the VP. She will try anything to be the President. There are only a few circumstances in which a VP steps up to be president, and none is good for Obama. Remember what she said about Robert Kennedy?
Posted by: panabiker | June 3, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
GTA
Saying you oppose torture and then voting to support it doesn’t make you a moderate, it makes you a hypocrite.
Posted by: Linus Bern | June 3, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
LonghornMama – The why did ALL of the Clinton supporters vote to nullify the Michigan election in the first place? Apparently it wasn’t so sacred back THEN. What is different now?
Posted by: jock59801 | June 3, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Sen. Obama doesn’t need her in his shadow.
Posted by: Dinero80 | June 3, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Don’t live in illusion. McCain will surtely be the next president.
Posted by: Samuel | June 3, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
MR – truth be told, given the tightness of other recent elections, 10% defection could easily swing the election. Maybe less!
Posted by: Aston | June 3, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Obama is Professor of U.S.Constitutional Law in University of Chicago and work for Illionis Senate office for years prior to U.S.Senate. We need a President who understand the importance to defend our constitutions, freedom, justice, civil rights, and knows how to implement these principles into policies in economy, education, homeland security, foreign policy, that benefit not only the American people but also people around the world. It’s time to change. Let us vote for Obama.
Posted by: GoodCitizen | June 3, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
VP is not good enough!
What does a VP actually do? Nothing.
If she accepts that position she won’t get a chance to run in ’12. Then by ’16 that is getting out there for her.
Her time is NOW!!
Hillary ’08
Posted by: Krissy K | June 3, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Since she can’t enter and win the democratic platform for Prez, why not join McCain? It’d be pefect for her. If he makes it through the first term she’ll have it in the bag for the second. If he doesn’t make it through the first term God help us all.
Posted by: larry | June 3, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
S and Judy, Thanks for the responses.
You both seem to have the same issues regarding Obama. I would suggest that you not be so quick to jump on any negative story just to promote your candidate or even worse to give credence to some irrational fear of a black man.
Fear is a tough thing to confront and the easiest way is to bury your head in the sand and reinforce everything you do hear with stereotypes and conspiracy theories (like he’s a black extremist).
The voting record comment is laughable. Obama and Hillary had almost identical voting records while they were in the senate and even during the campaign he regularly would head back to DC to vote while McCain couldn’t be bothered. One major difference in the voting record was the Bankruptcy bill (passed in 2005), he voted against it and she was not present due to Bill’s heart surgery. She had previously voted for this bill twice before so skeptics believed that her non vote was an attempt to avoid voting for a anti-consumer law with an election coming up.
Hopefully you’ll spend the next 5 months really trying to find out who Obama and McCain are, because if you do, the decision will be easy.
Either that or you’re trolls who are being paid to do this and this post is pointless.
Posted by: kenviro | June 3, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Dream team!
Posted by: Nettie | June 3, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Of course Obama needs Hillary supporters. And he will get most of them; as well as millions of new voters that only he can bring to the polls. McCain doesn’t have a chance against this guy.
Posted by: jock59801 | June 3, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
I am a women and an Obama supporter. I don’t want her as VP. We always hear about her supporters and what they want and don’t want. Also, I don’t want to pick up debt. If Hillary supporter couldn’t support her financially, why should we?
Plus, she voted for the war!
Posted by: Lorr | June 3, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
samuel—— have you looked what mccains hero bush has done to this country and that mccain will continue the same failed evil policies of bush… mccain has no chance of winning america will not be swiftboated this year.
Posted by: tom | June 3, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
It appears that all of the women who have supported Hillary and are determined to vote for John McCain in November are blinded by their anger. It appears that they are choosing to be victims. If they had any sense of logic – they would realize that John Mc Cain if elected will have the power to appoint to the the Supreme Court a justice that could overturn women’s
right to choose. Tragic that these women consider themselves feminists. Wake up !!
Posted by: lpb | June 3, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
If Hillary becomes Vice-President Obama
needs a food-taster.
The Dream Ticket is Obama’s worst nightmare.
Posted by: Bob | June 3, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
McCain will surely be next president!
Posted by: samuel.simth | June 3, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Let me explain something. Hillary was not ‘cheated’ out of anything a al Harriet’s rant. She was lucky to pick up any delegates out of Florida and Michigan. A political party is not a direct democracy. Political Party’s have rules and in this case everyone agreed to the rules ahead of time. The Party was wrong to count any votes from these states. It is basically unfair to tell candidates one thing ahead of time and then change the rules in the 11th hour because one Candidate is unhappy. Where is the sense of basic fairness here? This every vote counts thing is pure and utter balogna and was a ruse by the Clinton campaign to delay and buy some time. In the end the DNC did the best that they could but should actually have not awarded Hillary any delegates. Guess it is a moot point now.
Posted by: DavidE | June 3, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
With Hillary on the ticket, Obama can say bye bye Independents and Republicans!
Posted by: cheri | June 3, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Hillary is simply too desperate for my liking.
She’s after power like her life depends on it.
She should just keep quiet until Obama asks her. That’s the mature thing to do.
There are lots of others who are also interested in that post. She’s gone insane!!!
Posted by: Independent | June 3, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Obama’s crazy if he puts her on the ticket. People in the Clintons’ way tend to disappear.
Posted by: harry | June 3, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Go Hillary! Whatever YOUR decision, we are behind you! Clinton country!
Posted by: jeep395 | June 3, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Amy..a no vote allows Obama to inch his way closer to the WH….please vote McCain and Hillary will run again in 4 years…I am a Hillary supporter too.
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
I am a Republican voting for McCain come the fall, but I think this is really rude of the AP to publish their findings the day of Montana and South Dakota’s primaries. They should have waited until the voters in those states had their say and then announced a winner. I guess the ME FIRST mentality wins out again.
Posted by: JimS | June 3, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
While there is no doubt that Hillary Clinton would be the superior candidate for President there are apparently a lot who disagree with my thoughts. I believe the Democratic Party leaders are at fault for her potential loss to Obama by not allowing Michigan and Florida the full, 100% of votes and delegates. They have effectively manipulated the outcome of the nomination process and removed the voting priviledges of 50% of the voters in these two states. BUT be that as it may, I would never, ever vote for McCain to ‘spite’ Obama. Our country cannot tolerate another 4 years of the Bush tyranny. Now, if Obama doesn’t choose her for the VP spot he needs his head examined.
Posted by: Joyce | June 3, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
I don’t want this woman or her husband on any ticket.
Posted by: x32792 | June 3, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
joyce——-yes
Posted by: tom | June 3, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
I generally don’t believe in conspiracy theories, but I am beginning to think that these blogs are run by republicans. Think about it: they have NEVER nominated ANY minority and the few that pop up at the beginning of the race always seem to crumble under the “America will never vote for a woman, and America will vote for a woman before they vote for a black man, and thank GOD we have loads of old white men to choose from” line. FEAR-mongering is the term I read earlier, and I think it’s appropriate. We ALL so badly want change, yet we’re afraid to commit because we might be wrong. Get over yourselves. This is the most exciting election since the end of the 18th century. We have a chance to make a change, if one is to be had. If you don’t cut the red wire, we’re going to blow up anyway…lol.
Posted by: Mecquelch | June 3, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Is is amazing how all of us on this blog see the same events unfold and yet we all have a different interpertation. So I guess I might just as well be just
as foolish. There is no way Obama will win! Most of the states he has won are Red states that will never go Blue. For example, North Dakota, has a population of 650,000, even if you said half were to young to vote, only 18,000 turned out for
a caucus that was open to all Democrats or those who are planning to vote Democrat. The whole state government is Republican except for three legislators. Get serious. The whole Obama thing was a mistake. There is nothing new about his politics and he is far to inexperienced. Thank you Obama supporters for giving me another four years of getting nothing done!
Posted by: Dave | June 3, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Hillary is simply too desperate for my liking.
She’s after power like her life depends on it.
She should just keep quiet until Obama asks her. That’s the mature thing to do.
There are lots of others who are also interested in that post. She’s gone insane!!!
Posted by: Independent | June 3, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Wow, it is amazing to read all of these comments! I do think Hillary has a better chance at president but if not I believe her position as VP would only increase the chance for Obama. I would love to see a change in office but I think without Hillary I will only have McCain to choose.
Posted by: Nicole | June 3, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Let me explain something…Sen Clinton’s supporters in general are not going to vote for Dr. Evil. It ain’t gonna happen. Sure they are upset for the moment but when push comes to shove most of them will vote for the Democratic ticket and HC will be campaigning every day for the ticket in some capacity and she may even be on it. Don’t pay attention to Harriet’s rant that is just ignorant tripe snd, in any event, she got most of her facts wrong.
Posted by: DavidE | June 3, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
“Yes!
Men rule!
Now – on your knees, Chelsea!!!
Hahahahaha!!!”
This poster’s comment is indicative of WHY Obama will lose. In all my years of voting, I have never seen such a lack of gentility as these “supporters” of his portray. When you go trawling for children as votes, this is what you get. Just for McCain.
Posted by: LonghornMama | June 3, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
I’m not sure it would be the best move for either one of them, but they’ll have to make that decision themselves.
Why would Hillary want to be VP? She could be Majority Leader and actually be able to DO something. Her talents would be wasted as VP, and she hardly needs the name recognition!
Posted by: jock59801 | June 3, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
The world needs feminine energy to run the U.S. for a change. Hillary is anything but. Woman does not equal feminine energy. I think an Obama-Edwards ticket would at least set US on a better course. Truely great men never run for office- but these guys not bad in my book.
Posted by: Mike | June 3, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
I think it’s a good idea, But I dont know why Hillary supporters got to be sore losers.And then you blog about the people who support Obama, and often times talk about the black voters and that black people are racist because they are voting for Obama. The Black voters have always supported democrats, bad candidate of not. And the one time Black people vote for a black candidate, oh we are racist. As if we never voted for white candidate.I cant believe some of you democrats are that petty that you would rather vote for McCain than Obama.
Posted by: M.H. | June 3, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Here it is folks Hillary will try to tease the folks so she looks like a team player ….but she is waiting for the other shoe to drop. Mrs. Obama is on tape makeing a rant way beyond what ever any one has heard so far. IT will come out in the next few days and it will take the nations breath away. Hil feels that when this happens she will be there to receive the banner. It is a plan and it is going to work as it is her last shot. She wanted to knock him over but then get him on the ticket so she can carry the black vote. It is along shot but there it is …..Now if McCain had this tape he would hold it until the convention is over and sink the Obama wagon right then when it is too late. So as it is coming out now who do you think really has the tape?
Posted by: james cramer | June 3, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
ok i am a very staunch obama supporter and i think hillary has played a very very dirty campaign but obama does need her soutern racist and her black hateing voters to win so i say –OBAMA/CLINTON 08
Posted by: tom | June 3, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Are you Hillary supprters really ready to cast your lot with a man who called his own wife the C-word in public? If he has no respect for her, and she’s with him all the time, what will he think of you who he never has to lay eyes on? Are you really ready to watch the Supreme Court flip to the conservatives? Remember, McCain has already pledged to vote for conservative judges. Do you know why things are so expensive lately? Because of the weak dollar. The dollar is being weakened by inflation directly caused by the war. Those of you who were around in 1973, 74, 75 should recognize it. McCain has pledged to continue this war. Are you prepared to cut off your nose to spite your face? Vote for McCain, and you will be doing just that.
If Obama offends you that much, stay home in November. But don’t actively flush the USA down the toilet just because your girl couldn’t win.
Posted by: Dave friom NY | June 3, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
LonghornMama – Now you are trying to blame Obama for a few internet losers? Isn’t that taking this guilt-by-association thing a bit far?
Posted by: jock59801 | June 3, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Obama’s moral compass Pfleger was put on leave. Still, the fact that Obama acknowledged he was his moral compass explains why the puppet has the morals he has. Nothing is sacred to this man. Nothing!
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
If Hillary ran as an independent it would be ultimate political suicide for her unless she wants to go independent. No doubt she could be elected Senator from NY as an independent a la Joe Lieberman.
Posted by: David | June 3, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
From reading the posts here, it seems to me that the Obama supporters that have hated Hillary this whole time are now supporting her…why, because they know Obama cannot win the GE without her. It’s amazing watching the Obamabots suck up! LOL !
Posted by: david from texas | June 3, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Why are all the Obamabots pleading and begging Hillary supporters to not vote for McCain?
Obama cannot win!
I am not voting Obama!
25 Year Dem!
Posted by: American First! | June 3, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Lighten up people.
You debate like a bunch of neocons.
Posted by: Rbj | June 3, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
I will not vote for Obama no matter what. Vote Nader!
Posted by: Tina from Florida | June 3, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
It will be a powerful ticket if Clinton
decided to be Obama’s vice-presidential
candidate.It’s about time the primary
voting should be put on rest and the
democrats must be united under Obama-Clinton ticket to defeat the Republicans.I believe the Obama-Clinton
ticket will be a huge landlide,perhaps
the biggest mandate in US political
history.With Obama capturing the black
votes and the youths, while Clinton the
whites, women and ethnic groups, how can
Mccain possibly win?
Posted by: Jess Anasco | June 3, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Hillary wins the popular vote, but Obama get the election, and he’s above “old politics”? He stands on a democratic platform, but is over ‘old politics’? He obliterated his competition for his state senate seat in IL so that he was the only candidate on the ticket, but he transcends ‘old politics’? He quit his church of 20 years when it was hurting his campaign, but it wasn’t ‘old politics’, it was principle? In a debate, Hillary lavished him with praise and he dismissed her in reply as “alright”… and a female reporter as “honey” but because he is bi-racial he is not “old politics” chauvenist? WAKE UP. He is tacky slime that mis-directed hopes have stuck to, unfortunately reality does not.
Posted by: Aaron | June 3, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Trust me, unless she concedes and says she is done she is just using this as cheap campaign time until the convention where she and her crew will make a stink.
If asked to be VP she will stall and use this as a reason to make it more like her Presidency by trying to force his hand on issues and sharing power. Unless she concedes there is no deal here to be made. Look what being on a Clinton ticket did for Al Gore’s political aspirations.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | June 3, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
This is about the far left wrestling control of the Democratic Party. When they purged Lieberman in Connecticut, they also purged voters and lost hard. Sorry leftists, but if you take over my party, I’m defecting. Anyone but Obama.
Posted by: PK | June 3, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Anthony: Kerry, Richardson and Biden are looking for spots in Obama’s administration if he is elected president. But that hasn’t happpened yet. Now, if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, she should run as an independent to knock out Obama as president. After all her and McCain are good friends just on opposite sides. I wouldn’t blame her I would do the same. The DNC didn’t do her any favors so its payback time now. Who cares about the democrats winning.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | June 3, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Again, it’s a mistake to keep saying that Hillary voters are not walking. People get in a mind set and think nothing will EVER change. McCain has been getting calls like crazy in the past 48 hours, and he in fact was the first to call and praise her campaign — not Obama. Let’s have a REAL government of the people, for the people. Make a list of all that needs doing and say the first candidate to prove to me that the list will get done gets my vote. I’m that open. If you people think that people are SO IN LOVE with “party affiliations,” you’re deluded. I could care less about Nancy Pelosi and cannot wait for Cindy Sheehan to kick her behind.
Posted by: LonghornMama | June 3, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
no one has answered my question yet im waiting dont you think if they all thought hillary was a better canidate she would be in obamas place right now
Posted by: angie
===========================================
Maybe you haven’t noticed; she’s not in Obama’s place right now, because she’s way beyond it, in the numbers, in experience, in knowledge, in character and in class (meaning she’s got a lot more of it than Obama).
The “Super Delegates” are being manipulated by the DNC, or specifically and publicly by Dr. Gov. Dean, Sen. Reid, and Sen. Pelosi. This whole mess is shameful, and it sure makes me glad I am not a Democrat, so that, if Obama does become the Nominee and if Clinton has to stoop to the level of becoming his V.P.(which really is nonsense, or a ploy for time), then I, being an Independent, can vote Republican in good conscience.
Posted by: Yavo Lem | June 3, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
I can hear the general election debates now. “During the primary you said your running mate was not qualified.. Now you say your running mate is qualified. Were you lying then or are you lying now?” ….. It’s a dream team. A dream for McCain, a nightmare for the DNC.
Posted by: Royce | June 3, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
WOW, the Hillary supporters can’t seem to understand the FACT that Obama won the majority of the delegates. You Dems couldn’t understand it when Bush won even though ALGORE had garnered the popular vote. I guess you will do anything or say anything to support your liberal/commie positions; the rules don’t seem to apply to you.
Well…until now.
Who would have thought, the Democrats only way to lose the Presidential election this year was to nominate a black or a woman. BAHAHAHAHAH
Posted by: Paul | June 3, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
the only way I would vote for Obama is if he chooses Hillary as his VP running mate.
Posted by: Donna | June 3, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
The end is near. The lion is lying with the lamb.
However, I dont think its a good idea for Obama.
Posted by: Ken | June 3, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
PLEASE NOOOOOOOO! Spare us having to listen to more of Hillary! Democrats are NOT going to vote for McCain and many independants won’t vote for Hillary! Barack, don’t be bluffed into accepting this woman on the ticket after all she has done to hurt your chances.
Posted by: Sam in Fla | June 3, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
There is no way I will vote for Obama!!!!! I will vote for McCain. am a white woman 66 years old and I have learned a lot of wisdom in my life. I can see through Obama for so many reasons. He is not president material. He does not have a clue about the job of being president!! I don’t trust him and that is a VERY GOOD REASON NOT TO VOTE FOR HIM.
He does not know anything about how to deal with Iran for one thing and that scares me to death.
Maggie
Posted by: Maggie Goodson | June 3, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Hey Joyce..what did the Republican Party do to penalize Michigan and Florida for holding their primaries early??…oh ya…allowed them only half votes. But you could vote for the Green Party or the Loon Party or the Silly Party, I don’t think they pealized those two states (come to think of it they may not have had primaries in those states)…or even start your own party
Posted by: Rob | June 3, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
The way I see it, this election hinges on whether Hillary supporters are honest, moral people.
If they are liars like Hillary, then they will vote for Obama and Obama will win. If they are true to their word (which will be highly unlikely considering they supported a candidate who is by all accounts, the most prolific liar to ever run for President), then McCain will win.
We shall see!
Posted by: Barbie | June 3, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
What i will love on this ticket is that Pelosi will be kept quiet. Obama we are waiting for you to decide so that we know where to fall . I wont be voting for Obama on the ticket but for Cliton. so think now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and think well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: America will be liberated | June 3, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
I look forward to Obama and Clinton together from this point forward.Remember the debate when they embraced. They look good together!
Obama/Clinton 08
WINNING TICKET!!!!!
Posted by: TV | June 3, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
After the Bush fiasco there was no way I thought the Democrats could lose the white house. There I go thinking. Clinton, is unacceptable to me after her campaign. They will lose if her and Bill, yes they come together, are on the ticket.
Posted by: Blackbug99 | June 3, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
Dave, you’ve out and out lied about a couple of things here. If you want your candidate to win, supporters need to start winning well. That means acknowledging the great job the competitor did and what an asset she IS and will continue to BE. Otherwise, you are stoking the flames of people who honest to God won’t vote Obama.
Posted by: LonghornMama | June 3, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
I am stunned at how many people are vowing to vote for McCain as an alternative to Clinton…I can only assume that most of these people are women voting not on the issues, but the sex of the candidate. As far as politics go, Clinton and McCain aren’t even in the same neighborhood. Any voter supporting Clinton because of her views will surely vote Obama when he is officially given the dem nomination. The debates clearly showed that on many subjects their opinions and ideas are virtually the same.
Posted by: Hail2Skins91 | June 3, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Clinton has not “earned the right” to anything. If anything, it seems the American public has earned the right to a break from the Clinton’s daily anguish diary.
Posted by: J Robinson | June 3, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
S, Michelle as first lady…oh my God NO!
Posted by: lois | June 3, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
The democrats better get this done. Otherwise, they are toast. Rumor is, McCain is considering Alaska Governor Sarah Palin for his VP. If Hillary is not on our ticket, we are toast, ya’ll!
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | June 3, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
“What, exactly, has Obama won during the last couple of months?” was asked. Let’s educate the ignroant, shall we? It’s called the Democratic nomination for the President of the United States. And he won it by being the best and last candidate standing. No candidate has fought harder for a nomination in modern hsitory. He didn’t win it by gule and deceit, but by staying on message, telling the truth and managing one hell of a campaign. The GOP is going to have to throw everything they have at him and it still won’t be enough. Obama now has a five-point lead over McCain and that gap is only going to grow.
Posted by: No more lies | June 3, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
I don’t understand Hilary supporters voting for McCain if she’s not the nominee. If you support Clinton, hopefully it’s because of the where she stands on the major issues. Assuming that’s the case, voting for McCain (who is the polar opposite of Clinton on major issues), makes no sense. Its childish and thoughtless. If you can’t bring yourself to support someone named Obama, just stay home. Hopefully over the next 8 years, you will become more enlightened and cultured and understand how backwards the “if not Clinton, then McCain” way of thinking really is.
Posted by: Jross | June 3, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
After going back and reading the other comments, I wish I had not even added mine. I despair for America given the idiots who have posted their comments. Obviously it doesn’t matter who wins, we are doomed.
Posted by: Sam in Fla | June 3, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Obama will NEVER take Hillary as his VP!
She would kill him and become president!
Obama does NOt trust the Clintions!
Posted by: Lulu | June 3, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Buckwheat is not qualified to be President!
Posted by: Steve | June 3, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Interesting remark Mariann Pepitone…so about 2 minutes of some Reverend ranting means Obama sat in the pews all that time? Considering how often Hillary wore pants suits..I never once saw her wear a lapel flag pin. Oh ya that’s right she proved her loyalty to the country with that sniper fire she survived in Bosnia and the peace she single handedly established in Ireland.
P.S. I got that from reading….LMAO
Posted by: Rob | June 3, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
obama won the Democratic nomination by manipulating the rules and regulations and often playing unfairly……Hillary’s problem was with winning the states that would essentially give her the White House in the general election….its too bad obama has not thus far planned for the same thing…
Posted by: chris | June 3, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
By the way that embarrassing pleading above isn’t me.
Posted by: Linus Bern | June 3, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
I agree 100% Jross. It’s time to grow up and do what’s right for this country. We cannot survive four more years of Bush-like policies, of that I am sure.
Posted by: Hail2Skins91 | June 3, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
The witch is dead!
LOL
Obama 2008!
Posted by: Lulu | June 3, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
As much as I would love to see Senator Obama be our president. I will not vote for him if he chooses Hillary as his VP. It is just as important as my choice for president and I don’t trust giving more power to the Clintons. I think we could look forward to more of the mess we have been through during the nomination process for four years. I think it is a mistake to offer a VP slot to an opponent tha, however mistakingly, mentioned assassination several times. They are not offering the same energy AND I would not want her to be president if anything should happen to Senator Obama.
It would be an awful thing but I would be hoping for a third party candidate that I could support if Hillary were on the ticket.
Posted by: lb | June 3, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Please, PLEASE, do NOT let her on the ticket as VP. His whole campaign will come undone. Clintons are not famous for “sharing”.
Posted by: Rod | June 3, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
McCain stands for core values.
Posted by: Anders Scooper | June 3, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
The only ones who want Clinton on the ticket are the Clintons… not their supporters… They wanted her on the top of the ticket… They’ll graciously accept anyone who Obama wants… and they’ll vote Democratic for genuine fears what McCain could do to them… for women, remove “choice”. For Latins, ship them out of the country, detainment camps. For other minorities, no opportunites… less money for important social programs… So, let some time pass to cool down. Obama will announce in a month or so… and it may be a woman as VP but it won’t be Hillary. D.
Posted by: David G. | June 3, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Adding Hillary to the ticket would mollify her supporters, but seriously, can even ardent Clinton backers think that having any former president hanging around would be an acceptable scenario for a president, much less a president with as much baggage as William J. Clinton?
Mr. Obama should consult Ms. Clinton and select someone whom she strongly supports (and supported her).
But put her on the ticket? No self-respecting presidential candidate could or should be expected to do so.
Posted by: Steve | June 3, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Hey Hail2skins91 I’m surprised at how many Obama supporters’ disrespect Hillary and think he (Obama) can win without her supporters.
Posted by: MR | June 3, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Obama is the Marxist disaster in the making. Adding the Socialist Hillary to the disaster is unthinkable. If they would win it would be Hello Soviet Union… you got your wish. The USA defeated from within. Not to fear though, the American people will never allow the now unveiled Obama to become POTUS.
Posted by: Bill | June 3, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Yes Hillary supporters are dumb enough to vote for McCain. If she runs with Obama, there is no doubt I will vote for McCain. Surely she won’t betray her supporters. She has been treated like dirt and he doesn’t deserve her support. Doesn’t change my mind about him at all. I’ll say it again, if all of you who thinks he’s so great watch your taxes, social security, anything whites love go down the drain. He’s a white man’s puppet and will destroy our country. I’m convinced none of them care for anybody but themselves and making history.
McCain 08
Posted by: C Good | June 3, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Debra – “please vote McCain and Hillary will run again in 4 years” – You do realize that if the Democrats lose the election this year that neither Senator Obama nor Senator Clinton will ever be running for President again, right?
Posted by: jmengate | June 3, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
anders scooper—–yes he does like war forever tax cuts for people that can afford to pay the tax,no health care for all no minimum wage increase to get the working class out of poverty. yes those are some good core values did you know that it is said hell is at the core of the earth and that is what republican core values are straight from hell.
Posted by: tom | June 3, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Unfortunately democrats who want to vote for McCain because their candidate didn’t win show their true worth. If they want to so callously throw all of their principles out of the window to make a point then they are not principled individuals at all. I could understand if they at least said they would vote for Nader. He at least has some democratic type initiatives to implement. The disgruntled voicing of a desire to vote for McCain shows that these people do not care for their country considering its present stae and McCain’s voiciferous boasting of his intended Bush-like agenda. People who wish to vote with abandon do the candidates that they so vehemently supported a disservice by voting for the person who stands the furthest away from their candidate’s principles and policies. Shame on you if this is you!
Posted by: Alisa | June 3, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
I sympathize with Hillary but if the Dems want to win she has to drop out. Her looming and intense drive to overthrow Obama is like an albatros around his neck. She needs to let him go for the good of our country.
Posted by: Madeleine | June 3, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
There’s no way that Obama should put Hilary on the VP ticket. All he has to do is talk to Al Gore and remember how the Clintons treated him. It wasn’t pretty.
Posted by: Laura Brown | June 3, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
i believe that hillary should step aside tomorrow and acknowledge obama as the nominee. she should do it with grace and dignity. after that she and bill should take a good long vacation. she should not be a part of the obama ticket and under no circumstances should she endorse obama. let this man stand on his own merits or lack of them. he will be beaten by a landslide in the general. after all of the backstabbing, lack of loyality, and dishonesty by the dem. party towards the clintons, they owe the party nothing.
Posted by: jimt | June 3, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
The DNC should learn about core values.
Posted by: Anders Scooper | June 3, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
SOme of you anti-Bill Clinton people need to explain to me what was so bad about his presidency. Gas was held to 1.60 per gallon we had a national budget that was very good. We had jobs and income. That was bad? Under the repub’s all we have had are 936+ lies about Iraq, Halliburton and VP Cheney, a budget deficit that is much, much too large, a failing economy and a disastrous housing market & $4 a gallon gas…just to name a few things.
Posted by: Joyce | June 3, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Hillary getting the VP seat get Bill back into the White House. This has been the goal of the Hillary campaign all along. Why else would Bill be so upset by the ‘unfairness’ of the press coverage, et al?
Posted by: Mark Robinson | June 3, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Obama’s Vp is the only way for Clinton to be President. Obama is certainly inexperienced if he takes that chance.
Posted by: f2c | June 3, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
This woman just won’t go away, will she? Obama would need a food taster having her around! I never understood why the Clintons were so disliked until this campaign (I thought Bill was great while he was in office and so did my portfolio). The most disingenous woman alive!
Posted by: ac | June 3, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Dave:You said it right. Obama’s supporters were probably numerous college students that are on drugs and booze as he was in his college days. Their ignorance shows up by their campaign messages. Obama will win the nomination tonight by the way it looks because of Dean, Nancy and Reid. They all went behind the scenes to convince the superdelegates to vote for Obama because they didn’t want Hillary to get the nomination. Dean should be fired and Nancy should step down. She was bad news from the start.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | June 3, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
She said what? Oh, thats really interes…. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by: barf simpson | June 3, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
obama planned his campaign to win the Democratic nomination…..Hillary planned her campaign to win the White House….
Posted by: chris | June 3, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
When Obama first started his run for the presidency I was quite impressed with him. As events took placw over the months of the campaign I began to have my doubts about his suitability. Now that he is the standard bearer and I have heard all these things about him my doubts are more or less confirmed. There is no way I would want Hillary Rotten Clinton as president under any circumstances. The only sensible vote left is right for John McCain for president as his record is much cleaner. John is not George and he is his own man, not a copy of anyone else.
Posted by: Russ | June 3, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
I will be sitting this election out either way.I’ll never vote for Obama. I’ll be staying home. And I’m not a sore loser, I’m an independent thinker.I vote for the canidate that mirrors my own politics and beleifs. I don’t see that in either canidate. McCain has character, but I don’t agree with his politics.Obama, well I have several issues with him, the most important being I have no idea what he believes in and I don’t think he does either. His arrogance reminds me of Bush.And the pastor problem sent me over the edge. With a majority dem congress, I’ll suffer through 4 years of McCain. I look forward to 2012.
Posted by: Bea | June 3, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
She deserves it, beating Obama consistently for the two last months. He is wrong to deny her, because fundamentally there is nothing in the message Obama pushes different from Clinton: Party first! Let’s unit. She’ll play second fiddle, and he will be boss.
Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | June 3, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
not that it wasn’t impossible before, but the more obama’s “supporters” disrespect the Clintons, the more impossible it is for obama to win in November
Posted by: chris | June 3, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
My local news had a reporter from MSNBC on and he says that the people from the Obama campaign has said that Hillary will not likely be considered for the VP position. They said she stands against everything that Obama has based his campaign on and that is “Change” from the old way of politics.
The reporter then said that Bill Clinton said she earned the title of VP and it should be given to her. I like to know how he figured that!? The only way I see Hillary being on that ticket is that Barack is threatened to do so and I don’t see that happening.
Posted by: New news | June 3, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
My God, some of you are already blaming Hillary supporters for Obama’s loss in November and threatening she won’t be able to run again. Do you hear how stupid you sound. WHEN OBAMA LOSES IN NOVEMBER IT WILL BE HIS OWN DOING AND HORRIFIC JUDGEMENT IN FRIENDS/ASSOCIATES! AMERICANS DON’T DIG ANTI-AMERICANS!
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Linus Bern
You asked a while ago about what issues make McCain a moderate. Off the top of my head:
Climate Change
Health Care
Economy
Any of those is what the real conservatives (my extended family) are harping about.
Now what issues seperates him from bush? ALL of them. Educate yourself.
Posted by: Krissy K | June 3, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Obama has NO core values! NO patriotism at all!
Hillary is at least somebody we know!
I will have to vote for John McCain and I hope that Obama won’t pick Hillary as his VP!
Posted by: Julie | June 3, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
I’m confident Obama is not dumb enough to have Clinton as his VP. He would not live a year, and Hillary would be the first female president. The Clintons have had almost 300 enemies die under unusual circumstances since Bill was elected Governor of Arkansas. One person was even shot to death inside the whitehouse while Bill was pres. Doubters do a search on “Clinton Legacy”.
Posted by: Gary | June 3, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Barack Obama is not yet the nominee. He is the presumptive nominee until voted on at the convention in August. Nothing changes, today, tomorrow, this week. Hillary has 3 months to make her point, and by then the Obama honeymoon will be over. Let Barack and McCain duel for while. Hillary will be seen as a savior. And what if something does drop against Michelle Obama tomorrow?
Posted by: Colin | June 3, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Obama plus Hillary = All the Democrat votes.
Obama plus anyone else = Most of the Democrats, more than half the Independents, a good share of moderate Republicans.
Posted by: Richard | June 3, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
This isn’t really news! She lost the race several months ago now. She just wouldn’t admit it to herself.
Posted by: dgfiit | June 3, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
I hope Hillary accepts the VP spot If Obama asks her, just to see the Obama supporters that are losers on this blog jump ship. Be careful folks because if the Democrats unite, the Republicans will lose and they won’t be playing games with us any longer. Just think, no more Rush Linbaugh, Fox news, and all the anti-democratic rhetoric.
Posted by: Lois, California | June 3, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
for those that like to tout that 17 million votes…Obama also has over 17 million votes and he doesn’t have to do any soft math to do it.
Posted by: Louis | June 3, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Without Hillary at the top of the ticket and the opportunity for Hillary Democrats to elect the First Woman President of the United States of America, it will not matter if Hillary is the annointed one’s running mate. Rest assured, Hillary Democrats today were the Reagan Democrats of yesteryear.
Posted by: benvictor | June 3, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Just a neutral question to the general public:
Does the fact that Hillary has so boldly fought on through this race in order to achieve what she wants, ignoring the financial happening known as “debt”, severed many relations, and disregard to the Democratic party as a whole, mean anything about her potential as president?
Just throwing that out there, though I could be totally wrong. I guess I’m still shell-shocked from the last 8 years.
Posted by: Spencer | June 3, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
“obama planned his campaign to win the Democratic nomination…..Hillary planned her campaign to win the White House….”
If that is true then she missed out on planning an important step, which is getting the nomination.
Posted by: Linus Bern | June 3, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Mariann,
Hillary is certainly within her right to run as an independent, but she won’t win the presidency simply because she fragments the democratic party and splits the voting base. This essentially guarantees McCain winning the White House. All you need do is look back a few years to see an example of this (2000 Election: Nader ran as an independent and took about 7% of the democratic votes away from Al Gore).
Regards,
Bondtrails
Posted by: Bondtrails | June 3, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
The only things being decided today are South Dakota and Montana. The vote doesn’t happen until the convention. Barack has been steadily going down in the polls against McCain. What happened to his 15 point lead in South Dakota? No one is the nominee until voted on in August. That is not pathetic, those are the rules. (Until the RBC changes them.) The Clintons will have 3 months to sabotage Obama. If I were Obama that would intimidate me too. And calling this Hillary supporter pathetic won’t make me vote for Obama. ;)
Posted by: Colin | June 3, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Obama/Clinton ticket is good for many reasons:
1/ It symbolizes unity – between old-new politics, race, sexism, different ideologies – to meet new challenges (that is one of the key ingredients to Obama political platform).
2/ One should not expect old politics will go away once Obama is in place. Obama definitely needs a smart and strong woman with lots of presidential experience like Hillary to reach his political goals. it wont be easy.
Obama phenomena is a party platform full of people sharing the same ideal for a new America, it is not a single person’s idea. Therefore, HRC will have to get along to succeed.
Posted by: Pete | June 3, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
McCain can mail in his victory speech and not bother debating…Obama cannot debate.
A defeat of epic proportions to come.
Hillary as Veep will not help this creep.
Posted by: merlin | June 3, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
NO Not another Clinton we need hard change in the white house. I will vote for Mcain and not Obama if she is on the ticket.
Posted by: Ricky Silvers | June 3, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
sign of a true leader, the not giving up — come on. She is only in this race up to this point because she believes she deserves it because she is a Clinton. Moreover, Hilary has this witch personality, almost like a meanie, where she has to be in it or nothing. She has caused so much harm to the Democratic ticket thus far by her steadfast and narcissistic attitude.
Also, Obama needs another person as his running mate; not Hilary please.
Many great men and woman abound that could do a far better job as a vice-president. Heck, he can even get an independent or even a very moderate, almost liberal republican to run with him, such as Chuck Hagel, but not Hilary. Obama would be setting himself up for an assisination or something of that caliber so that Hilary could waltz on in to the presidency. I would fear for my life if Hilary is vice-president. Moreover, she wouuld be doing many projects on her own as though she was the president, making sure that Bill was also involved. Hilary: no way!
Posted by: lavampire | June 3, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Congratulations to Senator Obama on winning his race, and to Hillary for her tenacity and energy!!
NOW WE MUST CRUSH THE REPUBLICANS.
Posted by: FilmMD | June 3, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
I would feel a lot better about voting for Obama if Hillary were on the ticket as VP.
IMO, it will also give Obama a better chance to beat McCain.
Actually, as long as Bushie Jr. is out of office, things can’t help but be better.
F Bushie Jr.
Posted by: Agnostic Free Thinker | June 3, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
I am don’t understand why Mrs Clinton won’t just drop out of the race. I was going to vote for Obama BUT if Hillary is going to be on the ticket with Obama i and many others will vote for John McCain.
Thank you
Ricky
Posted by: Ricky Silvers | June 3, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
Spite the fact that i´m not an american, i was hoping that Obama clinch the nomnation as he did.
But I think that is now mandatory that Hillary gets the offer of the VP, she shows a tremendous performance in the last months and Obama needs her much more than two months ago
Posted by: rod | June 3, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
I understand that a lot of Hillary supporters are pissed after listening to us rub his inevitable victory in their mathematically-challenged faces for three months—but, really, what has he ever done or said to get your ire up? He’s gone out of his way to be tremendously respectful and complimentary of her at every turn. And of course his underlings criticize her. That’s politics. Do we hate Hillary for questioning his character and pandering for the last three months? No, the vast majority of us say we’d vote for her when polled. I suppose it’s the intellectual crowd verses the mouth-breathers. Oh well. You folks belong in the republican party if you’re dumb enough to think McCain is the Women’s Rights candidate.
Posted by: oregon gold | June 3, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Given Obama’s spiritual mentor and his moral compass, what kind of Christian could this guy possible be?
Posted by: Just Curious | June 3, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
You need to read a couple of books on cause and effect. I think you logic is warped.
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
I believe just as Barack has ran an outstanding campaign will carefully & strategically consider who would be the best running mate for his message of “Change”.
I highly doubt Hillary will be asked to be his VP at this point. If this was back in February then maybe I could see it.
Posted by: spring | June 3, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
I Agree – Well, I agree, and also what made a big difference for me was that when she got behind she used the same kind of twisted logic that I saw in Bush. Saying that MI and FL would not count prior to New Hampshire and then saying that they need to count later. I got the impression that I was being used (I’m in MI). She didn’t care about me, she cared about her campaign. Not admitting mistakes, just like Bush-think. Saying very deceptive things like “more people have voted for me than any other candidate” which at first is a half-truth under condition, and then using that half truth as an entire argument. Isn’t that how we got sucked down the War on Terror & Iraq War hole?
I just never saw that deception to any extent in Obama.
Posted by: Sanity Man | June 3, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Debra,
You seem like a democrat with strong issues and objections to the current administration. So, do you understand what it means to vote for McCain? (hint: think about the colloquialism “Cutting your nose off to spite your face”).
Regards,
Bondtrails
Posted by: Bondtrails | June 3, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
I’m an Obama supporter but I think Hillary is exchausted — anyone would be at this point — and should be given some time to make her choice. She’s earned it! I’m glad that Obama is being very respectful of Hillary. It’s been a tough fight and everyone is tired. Gte some sleep and then decide.
But in November, due to issues like Iraq, Roe v Wade, health care, I’m sure all conscientious Democrats will come back to the fold. I’m sure Hillary will be working hard in November, one way or another. The issues are too important this time.
Posted by: Jim D. | June 3, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
If Hillary is VP, how does Obama control Bill? It would be difficult for him to only stay in the background. I don’t have anything against Bill or Hillary but Obama has to wonder if Bill can behave himself.
So the question is, if you were Obama how would you control Bill (please serious answers only).
Posted by: Sanity Man | June 3, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Obama. Congratulations!!! White House is certain. Continue to dazzle your opponents with great and kind words.
Posted by: Joel A | June 3, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
I was a Clinton supporter. Tomorrow I will be an Independent.
Posted by: carol | June 3, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
How can any democrat rationally vote for John McCain in Nov. Stay home, possibly, but vote for someone that supports the exact opposite of what your party believes in?! This is why we have an electoral college people.
Posted by: Louis | June 3, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Louis
Why wouldn’t/shouldn’t they vote for McCain? Please, respond in facts and not emotion.
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
It is really too bad that of the best two candidates that our party can offer us… neither one is qualified (experience-wise) to hold the office.
Sad days are these. Mickey Mouse could beat any Republican in 2008, and I’m not sure Obama can.
Posted by: LongtimeDem | June 3, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
S is better off voting for McCain, who truly represents his sentiment.
Hillary should not be VP, the crying pandering liar she is. Can’t even run a campaign, but wants to run a country?
Nah.
Seeya, clintons.
Posted by: Hans Meiser | June 3, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
I am a Republican who voted for Hillary, so it’s easy to support McCain. I think Hillary was the best candidate and more competitive against McCain and wouldn’t mine whoever won with that match-up. OBAMA makes me want to move to Denmark. He is a lousy American candidate and I have done my homework…so don’t try to convince me any different, or throw your little scare tactic on me. I am a Rep. who has always voted whoever in the General (usually a Republican…like to be with the winning party…did vote Bill).
When Obama gives his circus speech in St. Paul tonight, I’ll be cleaning out my sock drawer…I can’t listen to his Baptist preacher style or arrogant teleprompter speeches. He is so distasteful to me…when his face is on the TV, I turn to another channel.
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Obama is a fraud. He’s been choreographed like a Hollywood romance but real people can see it’s all science fiction.
Obama — full of hope and fury, signifying nothing!
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Why would Obama want to weaken his Presidential position by A) picking his rival opponent as his running mate, and B) picking as his running mate the person (i.e. Clinton) who embarrassed him a month ago by suggesting the he, the delegate leader, should be the VP under HER (who was well behind Obama in delegate count). Obama would be a fool to pick his opponent Clinton as his running mate. He would be the laughing stock of politics. Not only that, but Obama can do much better than Clinton as his VP.
Posted by: Eric | June 3, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
“I’d rather have a 3rd Bush term than a 2nd Jimmy Carter term!!! — Posted by: Vote4Hill | Jun 3, 2008 7:21:40 PM”
Funny, I didn’t know JC was on the ballot.
BTW, Obama & Hillary have pretty much the same positions on everything. So your pro-Hillary, anti-Obama bloviating is nonsense. Just so you know.
But hey, if you want more war, debt, corruption & delusion — knock yourself out. You and the other 28% who support GWB.
Posted by: Scott in PacNW | June 3, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
One of the things I’ve noticed in the margins and thought significant: The Clintons’ campaign has been promoting the idea that Hillary can deliver “the Hispanic vote”.
1) I don’t think that’s true. I think Hillary was their favorite on account of their history with Bill, but Obama is acceptable to most.
2) McCain is going to be more popular with Hispanics than any other Republican would have been, don’t matter what Hillary does.
They’ll vote for Obama or McCain pretty much as the spirit moves them, pretty much independent of whether Hillary is in Obama’s #2 slot.
I just don’t think she’s got the weight to swing the Hispanic vote as the spirit moves her.
And…. I find it significant that the Clintons are trotting out such fallacies in an attempt to bolster her shot at the veep spot.
She wants it!
Posted by: Lee C. ― U.S.A. | June 3, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
How do you shrill democrats look in the mirror and fight for this:
“Whatever stage of development they might be in their nuclear weapons program in the next 10 years during which they may foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”
It’s not the talk we need right now and that was enough to make up my mind. Go pander to the lowest common denominator with a different party please.
Posted by: joe | June 3, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Hillary Supporters who would vote for McCain are saying that this one woman is more important than all of the women whose reproductive rights will be lost under a McCain presidency, and they are saying that this one woman is more important than the thousands of troops that would be trapped in Iraq under a McCain presidency. What has she done for you that you would be willing to sacrifice our sons and daughters for her? Has she done anything for you as women that is more important than millions of women and thousands of men. What?
Posted by: Di | June 3, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Amazes me that there are actually people who, while previously supporting Hillary Clinton, will now go ahead and vote for McCain to spite Obama. What a ridiculous notion. While there are many differences between Clinton and Obama, the differences between Clinton and McCain are so much greater.
I could maybe understanding not voting at all, or writing in Clinton, but voting for McCain? You’d literally be voting for a completely different candidate on so many issues, ranging from health care, to the war, to the economy, to education, and so on. What that proves to me is that you were never voting on the issues, but rather participating in what you view as some personal spitting match between two people.
You’re not just voting for John McCain… you’re voting for the cabinet members, the federal judges and Supreme Court Justices and so on that he will bring to further delve this country into the depths.
You would think the last 8 years would teach people really what was important — not some personal differences — but rather the actual position of our country on global issues. But it’s evident by the foolish statements people are making that democracy is just a game for people. That’s unfortunate.
Posted by: Jack | June 3, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Obama is the nominee and has the right to chose the vice-president. I hope he won’t chose Hillary.
A good portion of Hillary voters will vote Democrat anyway and the rest might not vote for Obama even if Hillary is on the ticket.
Posted by: Sue | June 3, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
Jack
The choice: Vote for a man or vote for a puppet. Now, is that really such a touch choice?
Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
She won’t concede, she is determine to ruin the democratic ticket by making it seem that Obama needs her as VP in order to win the hispanic vote. I am hispanic. She has not my vote got. She is after the hispanics that do not get informed that is the hispanic vote she got. She cannot bare to see herself not in the white house.
Posted by: bambino | June 3, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
How about dem. Governor Kathleen Sebelius for VP? If you absolutely must have a woman on the ticket.
Posted by: Sue | June 3, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
It’s funny to see Obama haters dress up their hate.
They’ve called him a thug, a puppet, a phony, a liar, arrogant, elitist, un-American, etc.
In psychology, they have a word for this: projection!
Posted by: Scott in PacNW | June 3, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
Direction of the country: 76% say WRONG TRACK (Pew, 5/23)
GWB approval rating: 28% (Gallup, 6/1)
McCain-Obama matchup: Obama 49%, McCain 44% (Gallup, 6/1)
Since January, McCain can’t top 48% & Obama hasn’t dropped below 47%
Source: http://www.pollingreport.com/index.html
Posted by: Scott in PacNW | June 3, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
Joe…thanks for the laugh about the photo op of Obama and watermelon growers. KFC endorses him too.
Posted by: Debra | June 3, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
“Vote a man or a vote a puppet” sounds nice, I guess. But politics and democracy is beyond sound bytes. Barack Obama is a puppet to whom, exactly? He has taken wildly criticized views and created strengths from them. Consider, for instance, his policy of meeting with the leaders of all countries.
Now, the easy way out is to simply talk tough and lead us down the same paths we’ve taken… no end in sight to Iraq, no Osama bin Laden, emboldened enemies, stronger adversary nations (China, Russia, Iran), etc. But he instead took an option that requires people to think a little. Even his own advisors, especially at the inception of his campaign, advised him to shy away from the stance… but he insisted it was the right stance to have.
How is that puppetry?
Or for instance, what of his stance on the gas tax holiday. Obama could have taken the easy stance and simply agreed with Clinton and McCain. It sounds sorta good, after all. But instead, Obama went along with the more economical sound, but sound byte-unfriendly stance.
Puppetry again?
John McCain was torn apart by George W. Bush’s first campaign for the presidency. While Obama make sure to note McCain’s heroism during Vietnam, Karl Rove and George W. sought to question McCain’s sanity and generally carried one of the dirtier campaigns in recent history. George W. ran on lobbyist and corporate finances and has taken the authorized use of torture, and then furthered his disrespect of Vietnam vets by “Swift Boating” Senator Kerry.
Back then, McCain was against all of this. McCain was against torture, was for finance reform, and deplored these tactics. John McCain now? Since the RNC convention in 2004, he is the biggest support of George W. Votes along Dubya-line 95% of the time. Doesn’t criticize the use of torture, and has had problems with lobbyists and his campaign.
Which sounds like a puppet?
Posted by: Jack | June 3, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Hilary should be on the ticket but make sure she does windows because the White House needs to be clean for her master.
Posted by: Gerald | June 3, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
I usually vote for a Republican. Not this time. Obama has my vote and no Hillary should not be VP.
Posted by: Renell | June 3, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
I am a liberal Democrat. I am not a socialist, nor will I ever vote for one. My vote will be cast for John McCAin, because even though he labels himself a Republican, his principles and positions are that of a liberal Democrat. I will vote issues, not a cult of personality. Barack Obama is a marketing image put forth by those with a socialist agenda. He will not get my vote.
Posted by: Kwango | June 3, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
God the majority of you are raving idiots, learn the policies for goodness sakes… if you voted for either because of their race/gender you are the reason why this country is so messed up now.
Also what about the female voters that has to deal with RACE also, don’t pull that stupid gender or race card like its gonna work when there is people that has to deal with both did you ever think about that? Because it seems like a lot of people do not
Posted by: Your friendly neighbor | June 3, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
This is all very concerning. A Dem president and congress could enact some very draconian labor laws which would over time bring us closer to a European economic system. As a result, my investment firm has liquidated most assets and is looking abroad (Brazil) for opportunities.
Posted by: SA | June 3, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Never will I vote for Obama! I’m voting for national security, and Obama scares the hell out of me with the things he has already said.McCain will get my vote
Posted by: Tracy | June 3, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Socialist Sycophants one and all. Take Obama or Hillary, move south and declare your own country. Run it into the ground with your big gov ideas. Who will pay the taxes for all of the giveaway programs you all are addicted to? Keep at it people. Atlas was right when he shrugged.
Posted by: ConservoWhacko | June 3, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
Congratulations Senator Obama, but please don’t pick Bill and Hillary as running mates. We need real change in Washington, and we don’t need Bushs or Clintons.
Posted by: James | June 3, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
How has Hillary worked harder? She started with a huge lead, and he made up the gap and won WITHOUT MONEY FROM LOBBYISTS, PACS, AND SPECIAL INTERESTS. He was supported by THE PEOPLE, and will represent them in Washington!
Hillary ran a good race, but she’s done now, and her supporters need to consider where they want this country to go. If they really care about the causes Hillary does–ending the war, universal health care, etc.–they’ll vote for Obama. Voting for McCain or not voting at all will only cause America to be hurt even more than it already is.
I’m an Obama supporter through and through, and I worked on his campaign, but had he lost, I would have put aside my emotions and worked for Hillary, because even though I think Obama would be a better president, policy-wise they’re too similar for me to put my emotions about the candidates before what’s best for America.
I ask all Clinton supporters to think carefully about what they want for America and which candidate will deliver before casting their votes.
Posted by: Caitlin | June 3, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
I usually try to refrain from devolving to name calling, but any Hillary supporter who votes for McCain is an idiot and any woman who does is a traitor pure and simple. He has repeatedly stated that he will appoint justices to rob us of our person, our rights, our dignity. He is an American hero, but he will be the death of choice.
Posted by: Meghan | June 3, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Despite what the lobbyist stuffed McCain campaign says, there is no question this country would be far worse off with John McCain in the WH.
He will lie about Obama, as he has, and dissemble, as is his want. Mr. “Straight-talk” will never say how he’ll get this “victory” in Iraq that only he can see. He hasn’t been forthright about his intentions vis a vis Iran. A hint: love the draft-age people in your life like it’s their last day because with a president John McCain, it would be. Women can forget about being sovereign beings with a President McCain as he has already stated his intention to appoint supreme court justices in the Roberts/Scalia mold. The economy? Oh it can get much much worse. John McCain would make proving that look horribly and regrettably easy.
Barack Obama has shown a strong-willed tenacity, resilience and the ability to beat the best. And his judgment has proven correct on a number of important foreign policy ideas. Much more promising than anything McCain has daned to reveal about his “vision.”
Barack Obama has a beautiful vision for our country and the proven ability to bring people together and inspire them to action. He would change our country’s image for the better forever over-night.
The Obama Doctrine of muscular diplomacy, backed by the full majesty and resources available to the potus, with even our worst enemies, is the future. The Bush years have been an unmitigated disaster for this country and especially for our military and their families. The limits to preemption are clearly real and have proven inadequate to the long-term protection of the United States. In fact, it’s unconvincing to say anything less than, “preemption has made us less secure.”
I, along with millions of other red-blooded Americans, totally believe Barack Hussein Obama will make a great president. Watch him GROW!
Obama O8
Posted by: Michael | June 3, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Why even vote? The way it is set up, we can vote all we want,won’t matter. We are supposed to be able to vote as a country, as a country, popular vote should decide the win, however, it is not like that, doesn’t matter who has the popular vote, all the different sections and numbers screw with it all. If voting was done on a country count and popular count, we wouldn’t have these “DELEGATES AND SUPER DELEGATES” to go AGAINST what the american people voted for as a WHOLE! IT IS DONE AS IT IS TO DUPE IS, DOESN’T MATTER WHO WE WANT, ULTIMATELY, IT COMES DOWN TO WHO THE “DELEGATES” WANT IN THERE!! Time too leave this crap hole!!
Posted by: Christina | June 3, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
“Vote a man or a vote a puppet”
Who, exactly, are Obama’s puppetmasters? P.A.C.s, lobbyists, and special interests, like every other politician? Oh wait…he didn’t accept money from any of them!
These comments show an overwhelming amount of hate towards Obama, while Obama supporters are, for the most part, respectful toward Clinton.
Keep proving them wrong through respectful words and actions, Obama supporters!
–An “Obamabot” who has thought through the issues, considered the state of America, and made her decision!
Posted by: Caitlin | June 3, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Robert, what you think, (or write without thinking as is more often the case), is irrelevant. Despite your professed ESP, you know nothing of me, or what I believe. You obviously wouldn’t know a liberal Democratic position if someone drew it for you with your crayons. Since your understanding of history evidently began with your birth, you have a lot of learning to do. McCain is a moderate, not a socialist. The Republican or Democratic label is irrelevant. If Hillary is not our candidate, the McCain option is not as great a shift in principle, as that of voting for Obama.
Posted by: Kwango | June 3, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
… the funny thing is Jimmy Carter endorsed him, you know, the guy who goes to other countries to make sure their voting processes are fair?? The irony…
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)
Posted by: LeeLee07 | June 3, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Ding Dong the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead…or is she. Now the B I T C H wants the VP spot and her debt paid. Pay for it with your China & Dubai money B I T C H !!! The VP spot ? Obama can’t be that stupid, or can he ???
Posted by: Felix | June 3, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Operation CHAOS!!!!
Posted by: Greek | June 3, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Robert…
I never said I was going to vote for McCain, however it is fun to watch you get launched with an ASSumption. This Country is two countries. It has been since ‘Nam’. Don’t worry you haven’t seen anything yet. I agree with your statement about corporate transnationals. We need American Patriotism and Please… give war a chance.
Posted by: ConservoWhacko | June 3, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
angie,
Have you ever been exposed to punctuation and grammar, or are they no longer part of the politically correct curriculum.
Posted by: ronski | June 3, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
if Obama picks Hillary Clinton as a running mate, he loses the election
if McCain picks Mitt Romney, he loses
I hope one of these guys picks Colin Powell or Stormin Norman as a running mate…then he wins
Posted by: jj | June 3, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Obama is a scary guy. I would never vote for him. He is racist as seen by the people he is friends with and has spent years listening to and sexist as seen by the way he talks to women (Sweetie) and talks about Hillary.
Posted by: Erica | June 3, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Felix, after reading your comments it is no surprise that you are an Obama supporter, trash mouth, no class, you belong with Obama. The people of the United States have spoken and Hillary wins the popular vote hands down,they want her, not Obama, it’s a fact. Go Hillary,we will support you again in 4 years where you will have to clean up the problems made by Obama or McCain.
Posted by: jerry | June 3, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
The “witch” is back and she is going to take it the convention!
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)
Posted by: LeeLee07 | June 3, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
I’m glad Obama secured the nomination this evening. Until this year, I was a HUGE Bill Clinton supporter, but the Clinton true colors showed during the primary and I am SICK OF POLITICS AS USUAL.
I’m up for something different and I hope for an Obama/Kaine, Webb, Hagel, or Bloomberg ticket!
Posted by: Matt | June 3, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
Obama will never win the presidency. Hillary had a chance at it, but now she’s out. When most white Southern Democrats vote in November, it won’t be for Obama. This will become the most bitter presidential campaign in our history. I’m keeping my head down for the next six months.
Posted by: Patrick C. | June 3, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Hilary is a disgrace and all her supporters complaining that they will not vote for Obama. Well you were never real Democrats, you are in effect voting for 4 more years of Bush.
She lost the popular vote, she lost more states, he has raised more money than her. It is time for a change.
Posted by: Daniela | June 3, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Hillary & Obama are polarizing characters — not good for each other. Hillary as VP would be a damaging and transparent move demonstrating a lack of courage and vision by Obama. His message appeals to the naive or youth — it’s like listening to someone talk about what a beautiful mansion they want to build, the landscaping, the furniture . . . but when it comes time to look at the architectural drawings, the financial plan, the experience building, etc., there’s nothing! Just another dreamer who has a nice voice — should have been an actor!
McCain is not my favorite, however he is highly qualified in that he has an extensive and consistent voting record; he understands the dynamics of the Congress and what it takes to work with the opposition constructively and respectfully; he has sacraficed greatly for his country — over 5 years as a POW with a broken back and broken shoulders, enduring horrendous torture — then coming home to continue being a strong and productive citizen; and most importantly he is not a lawyer!
I have faith that most folks will think of country before party pride, and ask themselves, “Who can actually get something accomplished in a bi-partisan spirit.”
Posted by: Yoda | June 3, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
NO to triangulators! YES to real progressives who care for real people!
Posted by: Unreadable | June 3, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
I love the Republican supporters trying to lure the Clinton supporters into voting for McCain or for sitting out the General Election. I can see a pro-choice woman voting for a candidate who favors limits on reproductive choices. I can see then allowing such a candidate to win in November.
Please Republicans: there is enough time to trick upset Clinton supporters to vote against their interests. I guess that this is going to be a long five months.
Posted by: chris in chicago | June 3, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Wow. So, woman who support Clinton are willing to throw away their right to chose (Roe vs. Wade) what they want to do with their own bodies because the person they voted for lost? Talk about being a poor sport and shooting yourself in the uterus.
I am guessing you tell your children to act the same way?
Posted by: jason | June 3, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Hey “jerry,” what makes you so sure that “Felix” or his comments are actually real or as presented? Or that he’s an Obama supporter since he never stated that.
I think YOU are “Felix.”
Posted by: Carolyn | June 3, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Robert — Transnational corporations . . . I’ve never heard that term before joining the conversation . . . which corporations are you against? The ones that built your car? The one that designed your mobile? How about the one that made a computer or software available to you at a fair price? Oil companies . . . if you hate them so much, quit driving or doing anything that consumes energy. Anybody you know take any medicine . . . tell them to stop, so you can blend them up some herbal remedy.
Transnational . . . WTF, you are a simple fool . . . corporations are the entity that provide for progress, encourage trade, create a lattice work for people to be productive together and even be dependant upon oneanother. Free enterprise is fundamental to the betterment of mankind.
Also, don’t worry about McCain being tortured . . . he has had plenty of time to reconcile his path . . . your fears are unfounded.
PS – you are not a fool, just kind of pissed me off on the corporate hate thing.
Posted by: Yoda | June 3, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Robert,
I stand corrected. Proportional representation… Hmmm… How about good old fashioned anarchism (not anarchy)… social order without government. People of the World unite! Throw the bums out with the bathwater.
Posted by: ConservoWhacko | June 3, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
She had the VP job in her hands tonight, and threw it away.
That speech ended any possible chance she had.
Once again, Hillary proves that she is just to difficult to work with.
By end of summer, we will be united and she will be forgotten
Posted by: robert b | June 3, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
I really have to agree with OnTheGloryRoad (post above). It’s not a new argument, but such an important one, and one that s/he put forward quite well. I’ll paraphrase below, and add a bit, to smooth out the rough edges.
OnTheGloryRoad: “Two qualified, well spoken, articulate, educated, Christian and very tired Democrats went before the nation and took all kinds of crap…”
Me: We should respect both individuals for their efforts and for their persons. The hate expressed by Obama supports for Clintan, and Clinton supporters for Obama…it just isn’t useful. Nor is it warranted: both are good people. If we met them on the street, we’d think them intelligent, determined, and impressive individuals. Let’s give them BOTH the respect they deserve.
OnTheGloryRoad: “To heck with the nation, too heck with the men and women in Iraq, too heck with the men and women in Afghanistan, to heck with the national fiscal disaster, to heck with education, to heck with health insurance, too heck with the richer becoming fifthy rich at the price of this nation, too heck with next Supreme Court justice who will overturn Roe v Wade, to heck with the next generation(s) [that will need to] contend with the mess this Administration passes on – too heck with it all.”
Me: I understand that people feel strongly about the democratic nomination. I really do – and I think that the strength of people’s opinions is a fantastic thing: that this many new people have gotten back into politics suggests that this country may be about to turn things around.
But we still have to keep things in perspective. There are more important things than whether your nominee wins or loses. And I’m not belittling anyone’s desires…I’m simply saying that there *are more important things*.
This country needs help. This country NEEDS to stop spending money on this war. Think, just for a moment, about what the money that has gone to this war could have been spent on. Think of what could have been done to our education system. To our health care system. To our roads. To our transportation systems. To our ability to provide college students with loans. To our ability to fund new scientific research and development. To our ability to subsidize our own oil drilling. It’s almost incalcuable what this country has lost because of this war.
This is more important than Obama. This is more important than Hillary. This is more important than the first black, or the first woman, in the white house.
And it’s not just a bit more important. It’s so much more important as to make anyone that tries to argue otherwise a complete blathering idiot.
Don’t be an idiot. If you support the general principles of Hillary/Obama (and I can combine them because they are nearly the same principles!) then please, please, please, please, please, put your own current disappointment aside and vote for the candidate that is going to be best for this country.
Which is not McCain.
I know right now Clinton supporters are angry and disappointed. And some of them think that they are going to “teaching those Obama supporters a lesson” by switching to McCain. But you won’t be teaching them a lesson. You’ll be shooting yourself in the foot. You’ll be sentencing this country to four more years of fiscal irresponsibility.
You’ll be being an idiot.
Posted by: Matt | June 3, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
tampajoey…you kiss your momma with that mouth?Obama is unelectable. Calling the Clinton’s racist…huh? Calling Father Pflueger….come in….Hillary dosen’t need Obama. Her only concern is the democratic party. Why else would she offer her supporters to his campaign after the way she’s been treated? And the dnc has robbed her of delegates..and our vote.Though it’s doubtful all will follow if he does pick her. See ya in 2012
Posted by: Bill | June 3, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
Jason, So you think the only reason woman vote democrate is because they want the right to get an abortion? Good Lord…Sexism at it’s best…Believe it or not we do vote on other important issues and some of us don’t support roe v. wade anyhow…neanderthaw…
Posted by: anna | June 3, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Obama will be inagurated next Jan 2009, fools.
It’s over with and Clinton should not be on the ticket.
Obama does not need her at all.
Posted by: Dude | June 3, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
When she claims having the most popular votes, there ought to be an asterisk to count all of those votes cast because of Operation Chaos. Limbaugh must be laughing his head off!
Posted by: SES | June 3, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
Living up to expectations Hillary
Clinton showed a Total Lack of Class
in not even Congratulating Senator
Obama on his winning the nomination!
He would be crazy to pick this
Sore Loser as his running mate!
Hillary Clinton had a chance to heal the
wounds of the primary battle and show dignity and class tonight!
She displayed neither!
Posted by: reaganfan | June 3, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
ENOUGH OF HILARY. Talk about racism, when in history has a presidential candidate been forced to put the looser the ticket?
I voted for Obama because I did not want HIlary Clinton in the White House and still don’t. Good night Bill and Hilary. Game Over!
Posted by: ann jordan | June 3, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
Only one reason the Democratic Party is against Hillary: She voted for the war in Iraq..
The Democrats plan to win the White House by accusing McCain of supporting the war which has killed over 4,000 American Troops..
If the Democratic Party were to nominate Hillary, who supported the war early on, their candidate would have to share the blame..
Obama never supported the war.. That isn’t to say that he doesn’t support the terrorists!
Posted by: Gene | June 3, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
UHHH….Obama is the presumptive nominee.He hasn’t won yet. No one is forcing Obama to do anything. He would have a better chance with her on the ticket. Obama supporters will never abandon him no matter who he chooses. Don’t you trust his judgement?
Posted by: Bea | June 3, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
Matt, To use fiscal responsibility and Obama in the same sentence is naive. This man is a socialist who wants to redistribute the wealth in this country from those who produce, to those who don’t.
Pouring money into the schools has been going on at a record pace for the last thirty years, and all there is to show for it is more poorly educated children. I taught 30 years ago and can attest to the fact pouring money into the schools does NOTHING for the quality of education, but only produces union-mentality mediocrity in teachers. The professionals of yesterday are the feather-bedding (look it up) hacks of today. And federal student loans has done nothing but give the college administrations an unstoppable stream of income with no incentives to manage costs.
But hey, if you make less than $30,000 a year, you’ll be a beneficiary of all this governmentally subsidized nonsense, with the possible exception of dying, due to the rationed and poor quality healthcare you’ll be getting.
Posted by: Romulus | June 4, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
Bea, it’s not Obama’s judgment we question, it’s Hillary AND Bill’s. Having those TWO back in the WH would be unsettling and distracting to say the least. Hillary gave Obama a legitimate out by raising the spectre of an assassination 3 times. Talk about bad political sense, not to mention misreading the cycle badly and running a divisive and ineffective campaign.
And after her distinctly combative and snottily ungracious non-concession speech tonite, she has completely disqualified herself. That’s a good thing.
Besides, the last thing any new president needs is Bill Clinton accompaning Hillary, vp, everywhere she goes and sucking the air out of any message or image the president would be trying to cultivate. Bill Clinton is STILL unable to control his baser impulses apparently. His presence would be simply untenable. And let’s face it, without the co-dependence, Hillary would be a far bigger wreck than she already is. Those two really need each other in some very unhealthy ways. But noone else does.
Posted by: Michael | June 4, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
i’m so shocked and appalled by these ridiculously hateful anti-obama posts just because hillary didn’t get voted in. barack obama and hillary clinton had many similar views. if you’re going to vote for mccain just because you didn’t get your way, you’re pathetic. do you really think john mccain, who actually used the term “gooks” and constantly goes on tirades, is more ethical or a better person for foreign relations than barack obama?! get out of here!
i’ve maybe read one or two actual reasons that people wouldn’t vote for barack obama and they were both bullcrap. i’m afraid that if people were to actually state why they’re voting republican it would have to do with some propaganda b.s. like his middle name is hussein or he doesn’t say the pledge of allegiance.
do yourself a favor, dems. look information up, make sure you have actual facts, and you’ll see the answer is quite simple. barack obama is a much better choice than hillary clinton and worlds better than john “hot head” mccain.
period.
Posted by: marc | June 4, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am
don’t be fooled, she feels this is her only shot, she does not want the veep she wants the presidency she is buying trying to see if the obama-ites go for the bait remember she is the britney spears of politics
Posted by: jim from az | June 4, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
Why do people keep saying HRC had the election stole from her? She DID NOT have the popular vote lead. That would only occur if you fully counted Florida (where Obama did not campaign) and Michigan (where he wasn’t even ON THE BALLOT) and then discounted every caucus he won, for instance Iowa.
I mean, how much of a stretch is needed to do that?
Posted by: Jack | June 4, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am
I don’t understand what is in your head that makes you all hate President Bush so much. He has stood firm against the radical muslims who would attack us. We have not been attacked since 9/11 in any serious way. He has stood firm on Iraq and stability is finally being achieved. WMD’s were in Iraq – about 300 chemical weapons. Ironic how the liberal press refuses to print this. And yes, Iraq was developing drone planes that could be used for chemical or biological attack against the US — the Iraqi’s claimed that it was to be used on attacks against Israel. The Russian special forces came into Iraq and cleaned out ??? just before we came into Iraq. The US has photographs of these trucks, which went into Syria.
And if Bush had NOT gone into Iraq when we did, we may be facing a nuclear Iraq. They had enough yellow-cake urianium to make about 30 nukes. So we would be forced to go into Iraq at some future date anyway and would be faced with the same problem we face today. Iraq was not a threat? You got to be kidding. Saddam had an intense hatred of the US. He tried to kill Bush I. He supplied the forces to kill our troups in Somalia – records in Iraq indicate this. Saddam had his men meet with al qaida and he was impressed with their attack. He even harbored al qaida in Iraq and provided training for terrorists — that is what FrontLine said. Interesting how Frontline has become a political monster against the War in Iraq the last 6 years or so.
Hillary helped position Chinese spies in our government at the height of her White Water scandal – they provided the hush money for Hubbel to keep him quiet.
Obama is a racist at heart – though he positions himself as a unifier. He views America as the problem of the world and fails to see the good we have done. He is going to negotiate with terrorists and have a straight flush pulled against him, when he finds out Iran or another radical Muslim state has nukes ready to detonate in our key cities. He will probably pull out his muslim hat and try to negotiate with them.
You Dems are a real case!
Posted by: Eric | June 4, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
They should have nominated ZELL MILLER!
McCain isn’t the most conservative on everything, but he is a common sense guy on defense and the war strategy and he is a sensible guy with good smarts and skills. I guess he’s the go to guy.
Go McCain 2008.
Posted by: David Powell | June 4, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am
If it’s any indication Hillary will not be on the ballot because she is too much of a distraction for Obama. I think you will see Hillary as secretary of state or some healthcare department. Obama will choose a hawk for VP but it wont be clinton. I like to think it will be Richardson.
Posted by: David Vida | June 4, 2008, 7:28 am 7:28 am
The Clintons are not owed anything from us. We definitely do not owe them any respect. They totally disrespected the American people with their behavior while in the White House. They need to go back to Arkansas and leave us all alone. Maybe Obama will give Hillary an ambassadore job a very remote country…just go away already!
Posted by: kk | June 4, 2008, 7:40 am 7:40 am
I don’t think she’ll take the VP job because they will then have to disclose the contributors to their library and that they do not want to do.
Posted by: kk | June 4, 2008, 7:43 am 7:43 am
I think the anti-Clinton people here can’t see the bigger picture. Despite that she lost the race to Obama, she does have a very large number of people who had voted for her. More than 1600 delegates is nothing to sneeze at and she did gave Obama a hard race regardless. Anyone with a brain can see that having her in the VP slot would get most (if not all) of her supporters behind the pair against McCain. I know that Obama might not like her, but he has to be fool not to see the bigger picture the primary race has drawn.
Posted by: GWP | June 4, 2008, 8:10 am 8:10 am
She needs time to catch her breath? Is that what she would say when “the phone rings at 3am”. The country spoke loud and clear last night but Hillary refused to take the call.
Posted by: Kevin | June 4, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
This has been rigged from the beginning. Just like Bush’s win in 2000. Explain to me how Obama won more Texas delegates than Clinton when she won the most votes. Easy, this “Caucus” garbage allows it. He has not won the most votes and does not deserve to be the nominee, simple. This delegate junk should be abandoned. He is the weaker candidate and most people with any sense know that. The republican white men all voted for Obama because they knew they could not beat Clinton. That tainted the vote. This is a Rove plan. Now in the election of the president those guys are going to switch back to McCain. Gosh the DNC is stupid. They gave her deligates to him too. Wake up people this is crooked!
Posted by: Brian Nolen | June 4, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
I don’t believe that stuff about “catching her breath”….she’s furious at the way things have turned out, and she’s going to play the waiting game and let the suspense build up. That way, the attention is all on her and what she’s going to do.
Obama better not put her on the ticket. He’ll end up with TWO Vice Presidents, both bent on his destruction.
Posted by: MizLiz | June 4, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm