Clinton Says No Nominee on Tuesday — Makes Direct Appeal to Superdelegates

Paige- Amen Sister!

No one will win the nominee by just pledge delegates BUT
SDs will put Obama over the top

I find it funny she keeps talking about count all 50 states, but her popular vote total doesn’t count all states or voters.
She doesn’t count the caucus states where people went out of their way to vote for her and Obama.
She is ahead only by her screwed up math. If you run it through a real calculator she is behind… period.

Thomas:
No nominee EVER wins the nomination with have a Super Delegate count on their side.
The only difference here is that they split the delegates pretty evenly and it wil take 20 Super Delagates for him to win.
These 20 could have endorsed months ago and it would of been pledged delegates putting him over on tues/wed.

Dean and the news media have stacked the deck. The news media just skims over every contest where Hillary has won by a landslide or they spin it to say Obama is gaining. I guess the media is afraid to let the news get out that once again she has won with a 36 point advantage. You can bet that if their darling Obama had won it would be “Hillary trounced” and it would have been the lead story infront of a movie studio fire. I find it amazing the power these network news editors think they have when the real, and complete news is at our fingertips.

I am:
The rule that says that Obama (and Edwards) was more faithful to the process than Hillabeans, who first said the votes didn’t count, then said they did.
The rule that says that some voters voted for Hillabeans because she was on the ballot and they didn’t want to vote for “uncommitted.”
The rule that says if there had been a revote, Obama would have won the primary.
The rule that says the Obama reps could have pushed for 50-50 split and gotten 9 more delegates (4.5 votes), but did not IN THE INTEREST OF PARTY UNITY, something which was lacking from the Clinton camp yesterday!
The rule that says the vote didn’t count, so Hillabeans should be thankful for ANYTHING she gets out of Michigan, and still doesn’t stand a chance of getting the nomination.
Those rules.
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

She has gone over the deep end. She just won in a ‘territory’ that cannot even vote in the general election. The only way she is ahead in the popular vote is if you count the states she wants to count and leave the caucus states out…count every vote my lily white @$$. She has changed the rules so many times I’m surprised she even remembers what they are.
It’s time for the Clinton’s to GO.

With the far left and black vote sewn up, it’s on to the GE for Obama and defeat for the Democrats…again.

Don’t brush it off. That “territory” had 55 votes, far more than many of our states. Evidently the DNC by their rules thought it important.

let us now focus on what is next.. obama/ webb,
or obama/ sebelius.
either one will be a perfect tickect for a landslide victory in november.. watch out republican.. this is the change we beleive in.
obama 08

Super delegates should not overturn the will of the people!!!! Pelosi has said this herself! It’s up to te SD’s

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!!
Now that our party no longer represents our interests and beliefs as far as the presidential candidate goes, it’s time for us to vote our conscience and support McCain in November. It is not an easy decision but we must do it. However, still vote for all other Democratic candidates so that a new Democratic congressional majority can work with moderate McCain. Let the Obama worshippers yell amongst themselves — we have more important things to do.
MCAIN IN 2008
HILLARY IN 2012!!!!!!

Obama and gang are use to hand outs what should we expect him to win fair and square there are alot of strange things about this election just like the Irqa war sold to us even if we don’t want it hope the republicans can figure out how to beat him or are they in on it ? They could have done a revote, and Fl. by thier rules should have been seated with full vote this whole thing is fixed I have never seen anything like this in my thirty five years of voting dem. something is not right .He didn’t need her four delegates why take them ?

“Obama and his pastors have set race relations back 50 years.”
I contend that Messrs. Wright, Ayers, Farrakhan, Pfelger and their spokesman-frontman Obama has set race relations back 12-squared years. Abe Lincoln would have turned in his grave. A majority of Whites, Asians and Hispanics have been compelled to appreciate the glaring Atlantic between them and the Africans-African Americans.
“Hillary or McCain 08!!”
Clinton > McCain >>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
BECAUSE
God > Country >>>>>>>>>>>> ANY Political Party

Such an enlightening moment in our history. LOL Hillary the Unhinged has FINALLY ran into a wall that SHE can’t forced her way through. Too bad she dosen’t get to decide who the nominee is. Someone needs to point that out to her or better yet let her wait until Tuesday and find out for herself that the powers that be? are tired of the Clinton’s stinking bottoms.

Brad
Come on — even the dems admit Obama is a left-winger.

S-I’m sorry we don’t drink out of the same Kool-Aid bowl!
NO OBAMA!!!

YES, I love those numbers on the opening page… Sotero gets trounced once again!
All the way to the Convention!
Hillary 08… Obama 24

Someone give em four delegates please and count every vote so the whining will stop. No wait… just give them a “Time out!”. This reminds me of the game where you pick the hand with the pebble in it and when you do, NOW it’s best two out of three.

NEITHER ONE OF THEM HAS THE DELEGATES!!!! IT NOW GOES TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!!! THE S-DELEGATES HAVE TO DECIDE THIS ELECTION, WILL THEY OVERTURN THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

CD
The supers will nominate Obama. There’s too much pressure from congressional insiders like Pelosi for it to be otherwise. Fact it — individuals mean nothing in this party.

any prediction for montana and south dacota..
i expect obama to win both handly, and rap up the fourth quarter with a two three jump shots securing the nomination for good.
any prediction folks..

Actually, in any European country, Obama would be considered center-right. As a communist, he might only fit in with the Chinese where they’ve shed any of the pretense towards Marxism and are as into Capitalism as much as someone like say, Mack.
He’s clearly neither communist nor even socialist. He’s a centrist by American standards — far to the right of Kucinich or Nader and is pretty much right where Hillary has been in her time in the Senate. He’s to the left of Bush and Cheney though. I’ll give you that.

Send a strong messsage to the far left of our democratic party, the DNC has been hijacked by the far left hollywood liberals with their big money
DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN.

4 Delegates taken away from Hillary, woe is me. This is the poisoned pawn (looks like attractive argument but the cost turns out to be to high), this is her test. Does she accept the will of all voters or does she make a petty argument to challenge the nomination. Bow out gracefully or persue the scorched earth policy, the choice is hers. She has embittered her supporters in vain. “The times they are
a changing, if you can’t lend a hand get out of the way”. I predict the Superdelegates support Obama enmass this week.
Wether Obama supporters would vote Hillary has been a mute point for awhile. This is why his supporters have not been asked this question. She has created any division in the party.
Countries like Iran, Russia and Cuba hold elections with only one name on ballot. Michigan got a good deal accept it.

You may consider him a centrist, although that doesn’t mean he is. Most people consider him and his supporters to be to the far-left of the Democratic Party. Good luck trying to spin him as a centrist though.

Obama’s no centrist, he’s a left wing nut!!! That’s why he’s loved by all the other left wing nuts!!!

He is a far left Whacko..However, I don’t mind if you leave out far-left..Whacko is just fine too.
I think it is time for all the smart people to go to the John McCain website and sign up as a supporter. I have just done that and I think a mass sign up will prove to the DNC we mean what we say when we say we will NOT vote for Obama.
Ignore the scare tactics used by the Obamabots. A true war hero, as McCain is, will not let his country down.
Vote McCain! Vote for a proven true American!
Hillary or McCain 08!!

Jon Stewart already joked about it weeks ago:
Hillary will still be running for President at the day of Obama’s inauguration.
She has become a disgrace to all ambitious women, for she turned The Ambitious Woman into a caricature of a hysterical b*tch who is obsessed by power.
May she retire soon, or join a Freak Show.

“Hillary in ’12.” ?? Are you kidding yourself? She is pursuing a scorched earth strategy, manipulating (defining how to count the vote, trying to twist everyone’s arms and lying (bullets in Bosnia, anyone? How can she get her own life wrong?) left and right, increasingly populist. In January, I would have voted for her — now, I would not even believe the time of the day out her mouth. The 2008 elections were the democrats to lose. And lose they will, sadly for this country.

I know you are idealistic. But you’ve been lied to. Obama is no uniter and hope and change are just empty rhetoric. You need to see through the hype. He’s just a woefully inexperienced candidate with dubious friends and a racist mentor. He is the wrong person at the wrong time.

It’s time for all of the Hillary supporters to start making sure that the senators on down that are coming up on off years get voted since we are the ones who get out and vote in between Preident’s Election. We need to have a web site called who’s next to be voted out.It will be easy to put them out

I find it odd that Hillary supporters seem to forget that almost exactly the same number of people supported Obama as supported her.
This is a split decision. The party is not making the decision. The party is breaking a virtual tie. This is not a usurpation of the “will of the people.”
This is exactly what the super delegates were put in place to do.
This whole thing has become very juvenile. It’s like a fight over whether Britney Spears or Pink is the better pop star.
I think a lot of people need to grow up and real fast or this country is doomed. It is embarrassing at how uneducated and uninformed the electorate seems to be.

Obama will lose th GE! He’s already losing it and it hasn’t even started yet!

As a Canadian, I envy you Americans for your politics. What a fascinating race and what incredible candidates! I am not sure who I would vote for if I could vote, but you must admit that Ms. Clinton has shown incredible tenacity and energy. In a coin toss between two very competitive, equally capable, candidates, I think Hillary Clinton’s efforts in the last week might tip the scales in her favour. I would want a President whom I could count on never to give up, no matter what.

DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN!!
Now that our party no longer represents our interests and beliefs as far as the presidential candidate goes, it’s time for us to vote our conscience and support McCain in November. It is not an easy decision but we must do it. However, still vote for all other Democratic candidates so that a new Democratic congressional majority can work with moderate McCain. Let the Obama worshippers yell amongst themselves — we have more important things to do.
MCAIN IN 2008
HILLARY IN 2012!!!!!!

Obama has been losing his own primaries in unheard of landslides.

If Hillary won the popular vote,then how come Obama has more delegates, even before this weekend when we were not counting Michigan and Florida? And why did Michigan and Florida ignore the rules? Let’s just change the rules in the middle of the game when we don’t think we like the probable outcome, shall we?
I think this tells us more about the kind of president Hillary would really be. Thankfully, we don’t have to find out.
Go Obama

BREAKING NEWS!
If 80% of Hillary voters had had some basic education, they would never have voted for this populist and fraudulent queen of hysteria and obsession with power.

Obama ran a superior campaign, he has shown stability, and calm in difficult situations.
Unlike Hillary he has maintained his message, and focus.
He has virtually stopped running against Hillary since IN and NC.
The supers understand what he has done, and out of courtesy to Hillary, have delayed their endorsements, they will not delay any longer.
Obama08

Obama will use Hillary and her supporters to win the presidency for him.

It is over for the Queen she will never be able to run again. She has damaged herself and this Party and we WILL NEVER FORGET IT…SHE NEEDS TO REALIZE IT IS NOT CALLED THE CLINTONS PARTY.
IT IS CALLED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR ALL!!!RULES APPLY TO ALL EVEN HILLARY.
THE RULES COMMITTEE VOTED AND SOME OF HER DELEGATES VOTED FOR THE RESOULUTIONS SHE NEEDS TO GET OVER HERSELF AND MOVE ON!!
IF SHE INSIST ON TAKING TO THE CONVENTION SHE WILL END UP LOOSING HE SEAT IN THE SENATE, THE NEXT TIME AROUND.. AND MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE NEXT ELECTABLE WOMEN TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
BARACK WILL WIN IN NOV. AND BECOME THE NEXT PRESIDENT

We have to get on past this people. It is more important than black or white, man or women. We can take advantage of this historic advantage or let it go.

Hillary has lost, she lost the popular vote, she lost the pledged delegate vote, she lost the superdelegate vote, she lost the caucus vote, so what is her problem? I simply cannot stand to hear her voice anymore, for any reason.

All the delegates can decide till the last minute who they want to vote for, so the delegate count doesn’t matter and this point.
The problem is Obama can’t win in November. I can see the GOP ads with Pfleger’s and Wright’s anti-white and antisemitic video-clips with subtitles “Obama gave $200,000 earmark to his church”. “He gave a million of taxpayers money to Michelle’s hospital and she got a $200,000 raise”.
We are not talking about this stuff because we are politically correct, but the GOP is not. McCain didn’t have any earmarks.

Republicans are shaking in their shoes .
They ll no that Barack will win the General Election in Nov. So keep trolling it will not work..Barack will be the next President and John will go back to his Senate seat until he has to run again,,then he will lose his seat to a Dem.Then we will have the Majority in both Houses.

The delegates super or not have the right to change their mind even at the convention.
Hillary won the popular vote and if the pledged delegates go as their voters did she would win the delegate count too.
DNC leaders – remember this, if you show HIGH HANDED-NESS, we will answer you in November.
We will make sure, Obama never wins in November!!

I feel sad for the Clinton supporters who are taking their loss gracefully. We’ve all experienced having our candidate lose, and it hurts.
The Clinton supporters who are making up wild stuff about 1) Clinton “actually” having won, 2) Obama being a terrible person, and 3) McCain being their preferred candidate… well, there may be no helping them. They’ve completely lost touch with reality, and they don’t realize how much they’re shaming themselves, their candidate, and the party.

Paige
I don’t think so. True democrats will remain loyal to their principles and not pimp them to a puppet.

So now Hillary people are complaining about Obama getting 4 more delegates in Michigan that were Hillary’s, when they were pressing hard for Obama getting no delegates at all. And unless four is somehow the magic number that will put Hillary over the top, I believe this is rather pointless argument. Yeah, it’s a sham, but so was the whole Michigan primary.
What Hillary wanted was to give zero votes to Obama in Michigan, saying the votes were for “Uncommitted.” Like I believe that in the entire state of Michigan that ZERO people would vote for Obama. Please, would the person who has the great misfortune of being named “Uncommitted” come forward and claim your votes. And I suspect, that since the name Uncommitted has been forever tainted by the Michigan primary, that the name Uncommitted has about the same chance of making the Top 10 Boys and Girls names list as Hillary being President.

A portion of the Hillary supporters really come off as sore losers(Hopefully only a small portion). Question: Is your behavior indicitave of how you taught your kids involved in sports how to be gracious in defeat? Why is it that if you don’t get your way, you stomp and whine and cry NO FAIR? At least I can say that as a true Democrat, I would vote for anyone other than a Republican under the current circumstances. Especially one who plans on continuing the current policy debacles of the Bush administration.

Take off the rose colored glasses and blinders. Obama’s pastors have finished him off. He is limping into a landslide defeat in the GE. No amount of hoping is going to change that.

Hillary has disenfranchised me, a caucus voter, and she attempted without success to disenfranchise Obama supporters in Michigan and Florida. She has trashed and villified a very fine candidate, and then cried victim when called on it. I DO NOT want a victim in the white house. Obama has done nothing to her. I only had to see her crazed supporters at the DNC to know who is really drinking the Kool-Aid.

What Hillary did in this election show character, what Obama did was expose character.
She’s winning.

AGS345~ Hillary won nothing. It’s laughable that the Clinton camp attacks when it suits them, cries wolf when it’s necessary, promotes asinine memes to further their cause and claims it’s not over til they say so… and then their supporters come along like the Church of the Latter Day Dittoheads TM and say that they won the popular vote. As if that matters. As if it’s true. As if it’s over according to their own candidate.
Try to have a little shame to make up for the complete lack of it by your candidate, could you?

-Don’t trust her to behave truthfully and honestly with the American public( the take on the Florida and Michigan votes and the popular vote, the sniper story, the past white house scandals)
-Unlikely to run an efficient administration and get the job done alleged experience or not (poor management of her campaign)
-She is fiscally irresponsible (amassing a $20 million campaign debt, with collection agencies after her)
-Her husband’s past is a political embarrassment with his uncontrolled womanizing, sexual harrassment suits, monica lewinsky. Presume he is likely to be caught again.
- The selfish agenda and massive ego.
In the interest of things that matter, thumbs down for this candidate.

Re: Obama is left-wing-
The Democrats have moved so far to the right in the last 20 years, that anyone as ‘middle of the road’ as Obama will seem to be ‘left-wing’. It’s high time we pulled the ‘middle of the road’ back to where it belongs, which is far further left than it is now.
Left wing wackos? Look where the right wing has got us over the past two decades, especially the Bush years. Time to end that myth and reconsider that easy meme that liberal = bad. That’s just cheap talk. Look around and you will see what bad is and who caused it

Republicans are running scared!!!!
They know Barack will win!! and then new Dem’s will win the seats that they now hold. Run scared bush and McCain your days in office are numbered. The Dem’s will take back over and change things for all!!!! for the better!!!!!!
I can not wait to cast my vote in the General Election for Barack Obama in Nov. then that night when he wins have one hell a party to Celebrate the new President.

One more thing, those of you who are looking for Hillary to run for the presidency in 2012, you will be running someone who does not hold an office because the people of New York State are fed up with her. She has done absolutely nothing for them except name a few public buildings. Obama is polling very well in New York State and will win the state. He will also win California.

Hillary and her supporters are playing off of one another’s political sickness; as a result, both are keeping the Democratic Party in a divide. Both are selfish and are enablers just as if they were druggies. Pelosi, Dean and Reid will hold the intervention on Wednesday.
Let’s get President Chaney and Vice-President Carl Rove out of Office once and for all!

Mickey–
Great post. I think this is what will happen. The few fanatics on these blogs are not an accurate representation of your average American.
I think the general is going to be a slaughter. The republicans are going to be defeated en masse.
At that point, the dems better get it in gear and do something or it will be short lived.

Reason, if you really remember the Clinton years, they were great economically we stopped deficit spending everybody who was willing to work could and oil was $20.
I don’t know which part of it you didn’t like.

HILLARY DOES NOT HAVE MORE POPULAR VOTE!
How many times do we have to say it.
She’s EXCLUDING caucus states and counting ALL of the votes in MI and the ones for her in FL.
I really can not believe that people STILL support this woman. Heck I’m surprised even the racist voters still support her. No, wait they are voting for McCain.

The left wing of the party is satisfied with their candidate. Those of us who aren’t, will look to other candidates outside of the party. Blind loyalty to any party is stupidity. Please see Reagan Democrats for reference.

Paige, Yes Hillary lies, and will steal or cheat to achieve her objectives.

Hate to break it to you but if HIllary keeps this up she will be pretty much dead in polotics

Mrs. Clinton will drop out when the Superdelegates announce their support for Obama by the end of next week. At that point, she will have no choice unless she wants to end her political career. Pelosi and Reid will crucify her if she attempts to start a intraparty war after knowing that Obama has the Superdelegate commitments he needs to win. No matter what Mrs. Clinton does, she can’t steal the nomination from Obama. If she appears intent on taking down Obama out of spite, the Democratic Party and the MSM will all come donw on her like a ton of bricks. She will be publically eviscerated, and her political career will be over.

Yes, she wins the popular vote IF you don’t count the caucuses AND if you exclude all those people in Michigan who put ‘uncommitted’ because – per the agreement Obama as well as Hillary signed – Obama took his name off the ballot.
But why try to reason? Hillary’s going to carry this to the convention with her ever shrinking base of cultists.
They’re the new Church of Hillarytology. L Ron Hilliard.
Screw em. I’m not playing nice with fanatics.

HILLARY SUPPORTERS – ARE YOU LISTENING …
… To the hateful way Obama and his supporters are treating you? Will you remember the insults in November?

Maybe no one has noticed but both candidates have such a close popular vote that it is a virtual tie, yet the Obama people say we’ve won because we are CLOSEST to the number of delegates needed. Obama is already planning to take office, he is offering a public servant position to Hillary because she is a woman and you know WOMAN can never be as good as a man. The fact is that OBAMA can not close the deal without the support of a few bought superdelegates—which means he will LOSE this election.

As a democrat, I am outraged that the Democratic Party becomes an Obama Party.
These people have been treating Hillary so badly. They even demand her to campaign for Obama in the general election in the name of party unity after he is SELECTED by SDs.
I have seen Chicago mafia style politics is coming to Washington.

Barry lied
You will not see her in 2012 or 2016 she has destroyed any chance she had, she blew it BIG. and she knows it she is only staying in in hopes that the supers will say to Barack take her as your VP. If he does that it will be a major mistake on his part. He will lose with her on his ticket. He can not put her on with him it will be his undoing!!
Barack will win !!!
He will be the President on 08

I have seen Chicago mafia style politics is coming to Washington.
If you would take off those rose colored glasses you would see Hillary is the God Father!

DemsRselfDestructing
Have you ever noticed how easy it is to spot a Republican mole masquerading as a ‘Democrat’ supporter?
First, they make absurd claims, guising their claims promoting a Republican as if it came from someone who cares about America.
Second, they SHOUT, as if speaking louder would make their distortions more true.
Third, they are talking.

There is one reason Hillary is pulling out all the stops to get this nomination—
Whoever the democratic nominee is will win in November. She knows it. Everyone knows it. Even if she has to cheat to do it, she knows she will still win. She knows Obama will win. Any democrat would win this year PERIOD.
It is her last best chance to be president.
She won’t be back in 2012 because Obama will be running in 2012 for his second term. By 2016 you just never know what could have happened, I mean RFK was assassinated in June.

Yes Hillary, you won the popular vote and ZERO people voted for Obama in Michigan. I think that just about sums up the will of the people. Oh, and thanks for insulting my intelligence.

Obama supporters are afraid. They see a republican around every corner. It’s not the republicans that you need to watch out for, it’s the millions of Democrats that will not vote for Obama in the GE.
Posted by: Mack | Jun 1, 2008 9:06:13 PM
It is your actual phrasing. Straight off of Rush, Hannity, and Coulter. If you want to make their point, don’t use their EXACT phrasing.

Obama will be the nominee for keeping a clean, positive campaignm and for having CLASS. He could have used her tactics and used what the Republicans were waiting to do to her had she been nominated.
He could have used the Peter Paul campaign funds scandal;
the some of the controversial presidential pardons of:
Almon Glenn Braswell, pardoned of his mail fraud and perjury convictions, even while a federal investigation was underway regarding additional money laundering and tax evasion charges. Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton’s brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public. Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars; and
Marc Rich, a fugitive, pardoned of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. He was required to pay a $100 million dollar fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton’s senate campaign. Emails uncovered during the course of the investigation revealed that her final donation was provided a year before Scooter Libby requested that she approach Clinton for a pardon. According to Paul Volcker’s independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels of oil….
the list of scandals go on and on.
And yet Classy Obama took the high road.
And that is why he will be President.

May I add in my 2 cents? Nothing u say or do will EVER please the CLintons. They ARE, as by now many would believe, the RIGHTFUL OWNERS of the Presidency. Forget all those Bush/Clinton/Bush….mumbo-jumbo. The WH is THEIRS. But let me warn you all NOTHING will be done if she were to rule, as nothing was done when she had her nose in every WH affair/issue. I think it is that rush of adrenalin and greed for power that is altering their conscience of truth and reality. Being half white and half minority, I think that it is time to alter the course of superiority. At this moment in time, the world needs healing, images need to be restored, awareness of OTHERS’ EXISTENCES should be promoted – this can only be achieved if we get off our high horse and mingle with the OTHERS who populate this planet. Sadly, the same is not being promoted at home, so we bear the right to that chip on our shoulder as the USA. Not something our ancestors had in mind, not something the founding fathers had in mind. But who cares? Greed and power are all that matter, so what if it attained at a dear cost.
Very sad indeed.

Four quick points:
1) Neither Senator Obama nor Senator Clinton is the devil incarnate. As I tell my students, the moment one breaks out an ad hominem attack, the validity of all of the other points a person makes does not simply fade away; it disappears like the image on a just-shaken Etch-o-Sketch.
Just think about this…What is the worst thing that can be said about you or some of the people with whom you have associated? [I have an acquaintance who once told me that she has an uncle who could -- dare we say? -- rub someone out for her. Does that make her or me guilty?]
2) Senator Clinton has received more votes than Senator Obama. However, she does not lead in the popular vote because there is no en total popular vote for the Democratic primaries.
In a decathlon, you may have the best running times; however, if you have not performed well in the field events, then you do not win.
The decision is in the hands of superdelegates now.
3) The Rules and Bylaws Committee did not take delegates away from Senator Clinton. They determined that, unlike the Florida vote, the Michigan vote was not valid. Therefore, no delegates had been granted. The charge was therefore given to the Michigan Democratic Party to come up with an equitable solution to distribute all of the delegate, all of whom were at that point uncommitted.
Most of the time, neither or none of the aggrieved parties will be completely satisfied with a compromise.
4) I am listening to “London Calling”, the great Clash album. Strummer sings the line, “Let fury have the hour. Anger can be power. Don’t you know that you can use it.”
You can use anger, fury, to your advantage. However, it has its time; it has its targets. When fury is directly toward people simply because they disagree with you, then no matter how many words are typed here or on other sites, no one will listen.

Sorry Rita, but I refuse to listen to any of them. They are way far right of my views.

If BO is the presumptive nominee and has been so since NC, why is he losing KY,WV and now PR by blowout margins? Why are the Democratic votes voting for HRC in large numbers? Shouldn’t he be sewing it all up like McCain did for weeks? Why was the KY and WV white blue collar Reagan Democrat voters even more harsh in their rejection of BO comapred to OH? While PR does not vote in Nov, it indicates that HRC will carry lationo votes while BO will lose them to JM. Why on earth is the Democratic party chosing the best winning moment since Nixon to nominate BO who simply cannot win over key sections of the voters who are going to determine our next President?

This year the democrats could run Donald Duck and win the General.
The republicans are rotten dog meat in 2008.
This is why we see all these republican trolls on here. They are scared and rightly so.
Their reign of terror is about to end.

Relax people, there will be a democrat controlled house and senate!
Meaning that if I can’t vote Hillary in November and McCain wins, am I worried? NO!
Here’s the only thing that really worries me. Obama with that much power. The unknown of Barack Obama and his pledge to Muslims with the control of the congress is scary.
Hillary ’08

Hillary Clinton will NOT win in 2012. Many, many voters will not vote for her after this campaign especially after she and her supporters do everything in their power to derail Barack Obama and the Democratic party.
So Hillary Cinton supporters who are too vindictive for unity, vote for McCain and expect another 8 YEARS (YES 8) of Republican rule. McCain will take your vote and laugh all the way to the supreme court along with the far right. Enjoy your new family: Cheney, Bush, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, FOX News……..
You will give McCain/Republicans your vote, but believe me, they will NOT give Hillary Clinton their vote.

“More people across the country have voted for our campaign. More people have voted for us than for any candidate in the history of presidential politics…”
Ok Hillary, that’s fine. You can say this if you count votes from the Michigan “primary” in which Obama’s name was not on the ballot. You’re free to make this claim. However, if you make this claim you must also agree that more people have voted AGAINST you than for any candidate in the history of presidential politics, given that 238,168 Michigan voters wanted “uncommitted” instead of you.

Freethinking Democrat
You should give serious consideration to voting out some of the super delegates who went against their state’s primary results. Maybe that way, we can have an honest election some day.

Dino
Roe vs wade will be overturned as well

Dino
Better than Obama judges!

Dino-A bunch of Neocons disguising themselves as Democrats.

To all of you Obama supporters. the black vote is only 12% of the population….how many whites and republicans does it take to screw up an election…many from the DNC and 1 Obama!!!

Any “Democrat” voting for McCain is really a pathetic Rove joke pretending to be a Democrat.

I have never seen such a poor loser as Senator Clinton. It is sad really. I keep hoping she would get the message, that maybe someone would tell her she has lost.
I mean that meeting yesterday is the kind of thing a Clinton in their prime could have won easily. But she does not have the support in the party anymore. Her husband does not have the support.
She has lost the election, not through manipulation by the media, party leaders, or dark forces. She lost it through gross mismanagement. Her advisors did not know the rules. Her campaign burned through money on posh suites and lavish meals. She took things for granted. She started believing it was hers for the taking.
And now she does not want to let go. Everyone knows it is hard to lose but really, get a grip.

Here are some names and words the Obamots don’t want to be reminded of:
Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Bittergate, sweety, “typical white people”, Godd^mn Amerikkka”, etc.
It’s not Hillary’s supporters you have to worry about..it’s the Republicans and Fox News who have vowed to eat your IDOL alive!

Why doesn’t Hillary get the fact she can not win against Obama? Are people filling her mind with ideas, or is she just completely delusional?

For you all Clinton hardcore supporters….please go and sign up and vote for McCain come November. Then if McCain wins watch as he takes away womens rights and other freedom bestowed upon you. Watch as he sends more of your sons and daughters into Iraq and watch has his policies will mimick more of a fascist totalitarian regime.
Yes go ahead and do so. Your country is depending on it.
The reasonable and wise masses known as the majority of America will vote for Obama. Obama will run circles around the brainless McCain and his Republican assholes who have ruined our country.
So stop threatening us that you’ll vote for McCain. I know most of you won’t.

Obama supporters are the ones sitting next to their trailers dring from a brown bag waiting for the mailman to bring the welfare checks and food stamp!

Yes, it is important to get the facts straight about what happened yesterday. The DNC was not authorized to give either candidate what they asked for. They were only authorized to validate a state’s proposal as meeting the DNC standards.
So what they had to do was vote up or down on the state proposals. Which is what they did. The states started out with zero votes for both candidates.
Michigan tendered a proposal for an alternate way to determine fair representation for the states voters. The committee voted to approve it as valid, after looking at the data the state party used to come up with their figures.
No one took votes away from anyone. Clinton got four more votes in an invalid contest than she got in a valid DNC sanction of the state Party proposal of what they thought was a more accurate representation of the will of Michigan state voters.
This was between the DNC and the states. The candidates got to weigh in, but they actually had no specific role to play and the DNC could not have sanctioned one of their plans; that would have been outside the rules and would have led to the very thing some are now charging, that the committee actually decided about delegates. No, the states did, which is their role.
The rest is spin.

Don’t forget about the trolls. I’m sure there are some Republican geeks trying to stirr the roast in this forum.

Well I for one do not think this party is right for all of us who out grew the perfect world share the wealth thing because most of Obama supporters are the same ones who say share the wealth but never do at least that has been all I have seen in my life time and people who have wealth they are not looking to share it they are looking to make more .When they put thier feet on the floor in the morning that is the first thing they have on thier minds.We brag about are country how come you never see the wealthy trying to move here we get the poor and we are becoming like a third world country with a media and goverment that are corrupt.IMO

Hey murray- Typical white trash change artist, huh? The majority of the welfare, too lazy and too stupid to work, want $45 an hour to push a broom idiots are white…hence, white trash. Too stupid to work, but perfect to vote for Clinton.

I suggest before you vote McCain you check his voting record. He has voted 100 percent with Bush. Good luck with that if you think McCain will change things.

so let’s see…
he doesn’t leave his church and he’s this raging anti-white bigot in disguise…he leaves the church and he’s just another politician????
If you’re Obama, there are no right decisions to make according to a Hillary supporter.

typical white voter
He really didn’t mean to say 57 states.. He meant to say 47 states. Not sure if you know this but there are only 50 states. That means it would impossible to have 57 states. Use you fingers.

There are over 1000 abortions done every day in this country..that is a lot more than the deaths in Iraq…Murder is murder..abortions are done way after the third month of pregnancy…that is murder!! Consider that…Roe v Wade law is abominable!!!

Clinton voted for “Wa(R) … Obama opposed it. This is an example of JUDGEMENT over so called EXPERIENCE.
In the ’07 State of the Union address, when Bush said, “The su(R)ge is woking”, all (R)z + Hilla(R)y stood up an applauded. So much for Hilla(R)y’s, “if I knew then what I know now”, argument about supporting the “W”a(R).
That’s why I DO NOT support Hilla(R)y. You can make that about gender and victimization if you want, but it just isn’t factual.
Snerd

Looks like the trolls from the ObamaPost, I mean the Huffintonpost have highjacked this site. Oh well, last I heard lots of them were paid. go figure!

I agree with Stacey,
Obama/Webb looks like a winning ticket in the GE.

Wouldn’t you people feel much more comfortable over at huffpo or dailykos? Most of you don’t appear ready to face the reality that not everyone worships your idol.

Omentum:
Wow! You have 50 fingers? You must be almost as confused as McCain on the ‘pre-surge levels’!!

One other thing that the Clintonistas will never mention- the majority of the “successes” legislative wise of his tenure were republican sponsored bills… not to let the facts get in the way of their fanaticism…

Are you all that afraid of a non-white president.
All of you are pathetic excuses for human beings.
I once supported the Clintons. But there is such a lack of integrity, ethics, and class that she in no way needs to be running this country.
She has changed her stance on what should be counted multiple times, told multiple lies, brought up race, appealed to the “ugly” American that votes by color. Then out of the blue it’s sexism. Even with a Woman senate majority leader, a female Sec of State, she claims sexism?
Me thinks the Peter Paul case is going to be a real eye-opener, if she is trying this hard to win, the Clinton’s may be in fear of something.
And you people that will not support Obama when he is the nominee. You will only be part of the problem, not the solution.
So go F— yourselves before you f— this country with 4 more years of this republican BS.
I’ve had it with the lot of you racist, infantile imbecils.

McCain provided much comedy this week with his getting caught in a lie (I can look you in the eye and tell you we have drawn down to pre-surge levels…), and with all parties, Repub and Dem, admitting this was wrong, he goes on camera yesterday to say he was absolutely right. Senility? Stubbornness? Alcoholism? Whatever it is, it’s going to be a pleasure watching Senator Obama tear him apart in the debates – both on domestic and foreign policy. Has anybody actually seen McCain NOT ready from a teleprompter? He is incapable of remembering the most simplest of speeches. This will mirror the first debates between Nixon and Kennedy – I would hate to be a Republican this year.

She has been misleading the people of this country all of her life. She is white and can do it, damit!

I think the clowns thats saying they will VOTE for Mccain are really Bush supporters.
No one in their right mind would want what took placefor the pass 8 years ,
LOST JOBS
RECESSION, lead to home foreclosures etc..
LOST LIVES for what by our brave men and women in the service .
WASTE TRILLIONS on a uncessary WAR and ruin our Economy.
ANYONE CLAIMS TO BE A DEMOCRAT WHO WANTS A REPEAT OF 4 MORE YEARS OF THAT AND YOU WILL GET IT,
JOHN MCBUSH IS NOT SHY ABOUT IT.. HE DOVE RIGHT IN BED WITH GEORGE BUSH AND SAID THE POLICIES STAYS AND WILL CONTINUE .
ASK YOURSELF THIS WHY DID YOU GET INVOLVE WITH THIS YEAR GENERAL ELECTION! CLAIMING THE COUNTRY IS IN A MESS AND WE NEED CHANGE.
IS YOUR CANDIDATE MORE IMPORTANT THAN POLICIES AND IDEALS AND THE DIRECTION OF THIS COUNTRY.
CAN AMERICA BE THIS STUPID??/, I KNOW THEY VOTED BUSH TWICE.
MAYBE I JUST ANSWER MY OWN QUESTION.
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Ickes just said today that an uncommitted vote in Michigan was not a vote for Obama. Give me a break! Everyone knew a vote for uncommitted was a vote for Obama.
It’s unfair for the Clinton campaign to claim a popular vote victory while giving Obama zero votes from one of the contests.
Two reasons SDs won’t endorse Clinton: (1) she’s had a hard time raising money in the primaries which does not bode well for the general, (2) her campaign has fought dirty, i.e. kitchen sink strategy, scorched-earth strategy, using “nuclear option” to gain delegates, fear tactics (3 a.m. ad, Osama image used in an ad).

Just remember what happened to the Filly…

Sooner or later this will end… and ALOT of people will have to… GET A LIFE!!!

Omentum:
You was a Marine? Which war was that? Or were you one of those ‘tweeners’ who never left the US?
The war in Iraq is a civil war, precisely to create a ‘constitution of Iraq’. Or weren’t you listening when Bush said we were over there to force a democracy on the MidEast, whether they like it or not?
Coerced democracy is not democracy.

She’s white, and she can do it, damit!

She’s white, and she can do it, damit!

Omentum:
You was a Marine? Which war was that? Or were you one of those ‘tweeners’ who never left the US?
The war in Iraq is a civil war, precisely to create a ‘constitution of Iraq’. Or weren’t you listening when Bush said we were over there to force a democracy on the MidEast, whether they like it or not?
Coerced democracy is not democracy.

Murray – if you are so well educated then you would know there is very little difference between Obama’s and Clinton’s polcies so you’re hosed with your SUV and 62 degree AC – Sorry, but your argument does not hold much water.

Bob F,
Of course I’m bitter, you id!ot! I’m white and live in a small town. Hey, I least that’s what Obama said!
(*_*) (*_*) (*_*) (*_*) (*_*)

She’s white, and she can do it, damit!

They’re trying to bury his humiliating defeat today and his continuing pastor problems by hurling insults.

Cindy, Hillary’s campaign did not do any dirty tricks in this campaign! the dirty tricks are being done by Obama’s campaign behind the scenes and Obama pleads innocent. The only thing that Hillary has done is stayed in the race and that is the thing that is p!ssing off all you Obama babies!!
Earl…I would not vote for Nader if he was the only one on the ticket…I would stay home!!

She’s white, and she can do it, damit!

They don’t add anything of value, so I’d rather do something else with my time.

Rita:
It was not my intent to insult you. Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, and the rest of the Republican spin ‘talking heads’ just say things that are so – well lets say I don’t agree with them.
Personally, my favorite idiot to make fun of is that Bill O’Reilly on FoxNoise. A couple of weeks ago, he got into an argument with HIMSELF on the air, and lost.
I applaud you for having the intestinal fortitude to listen to this hogwash. I cannot.

TODAY’S RASMUSSEN
McCain 47% Hillary 44%
McCain 46% Obama 45%
Hillary is not running as well as Obama against McCain in the national polls.
All the electability crap is nonsense.
Both candidates are statistically tied with McCain right now.
Polls mean jack this far from the GE. Electoral guessing maps are also meaningless. No one knows how people will vote six months from now. The ‘experts’ have no idea what will occur during a six month campaign.

McCain will privatize Social Security and wants to make medicare private. He doesn’t support the new GI Bill for vets. Hey – all the Hillary people-if you vote for McCain as you threaten, then you were never a Democrat anyway. McCain will reinstate the draft to fight his wars, your sons will go to war, you will not collect Social Security, tax breaks will be madel permanent for the rich and you will die broke and your kids will work at mCdONALDS. oh and your kids will have baby after baby or coat hangar abortions. go ahead, I dare you. vote for McCain. I for one won’t and I also don’t want a prez that lies about bullets in Bosnia. By the way, what church does Hillary attend. When you find out you will be creeped out. Scary.

“They’re trying to bury his humiliating defeat today and his continuing pastor problems by hurling insults.”
BEST AND “MOST TELLING” POST OF THE NIGHT!

I am New Yorker, who has voted for Mrs. Clinton on 3 occasions, and I definitely will never ever so do again.
To all of you here who state your support for her and vow that you will never vote for Obama. How would you like it if she does as you want her to end up with the nomonation. Do you honestly think that she can win if the Obama supporters do not vote for her?
I started this as a Clinton supporter. I voted for her in the NY primary, but I have had it with her. She is in the position she is now in not because of any underhnad condust by Obama, but because she underestimated him and his team. She ran a very poor campaign early in the game.
It saddens me to see the number of people here who are slaves of the Clintons and behave as though Mrs Clinton is the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Worse of all I am appalled by the conduct of the Clinton supporters here, the racism, and general low life comments are truly scary. I do hope that these are Republican supporters trying to muddy the waters, but I am sure that many of them are really Clinton supporters. I saw a videao of an elderly New Yorker who in the most blatant way exhibited the worse kind of racism I have seen in my 58 years. I am ashamed to admit that these people who I thought that as Clinton supporters as I was shared my position. The truth it seems is that Mrs. Clinton is now fast becoming in the eyes of her supporters(many posting) a female David Duke. HOW SAD.

Thank Obama and his supporters to make democrats UNITED against him.

Obama lost KY, WV, and PR because those people are historically anti-black and really dumb. And these aren’t opinons, they are facts, last in education and first in Klansmen.
PR is different, being hispanic, I know most oldschool hispanics hate blacks.
And PR is basically a thrid world country outside of San Juan.
If you think other wise, I can guess three places where you might live.

Two days to go and then the Superdelegate flood begins. Can’t we all pretend this whole nomination process never happened? Let’s each one of us wake up on Wednesday with fresh eyes and judge Obama and McCain on their own merits, characters, and platforms instead of through the skewed lens of Clinton talking points. When I read the quotes taken from the protest on Saturday I dubbed it the “HRC Talking Points on Parade”; all their greatest hits were accounted for. Attention my fellow US citizens: Please let’s not forget it’s silly season and no politician is infallible; do not be afraid to use your own judgment as well as Google and Snopes to base your opinions on Truth, not Truthiness (thanks, Steven C, for that oh so apt word).

She does not care about unity. She does not care about her party. She does not care about the country. All she cares about is what she feels is rightfully hers – the presidency. She is a selfsih woman.

There is nothing ABC news can do to stop Sen. Clinton from becoming President. About three years ago a well known televangelist, Perry Stone Jr., told his congregation that God spoke to him and said Sen. Clinton will be the next President. This information can be obtained from one of his published works on CD entitled “Strange Patterns of Recent American Presidents.” On track 7 of this CD, he tells us that Sen. Clinton will once again be in the White House. So give it up ABC News. And Barack, your days are numbered.

This woman is nuts. She doesn’t lead in the popular vote, unless you ignore all those Obama supporters. I am outraged. I used to have some respect for her. Now I’m pretty sure she’s pathological.

Let’s see, the entire Clinton family holed up in Puerto Rico for two weeks, begging for cash to pay for it after the fact. And Puerto Rico can’t even vote in the general election. Some strategy there.
All the while, she promised to make Puerto Rico the 51st state. This promise comes up every primary season. It was she that used it, not Obama.

brianerickson65–
Some crazy lying preacher has a “vision” that Hillary would be president. Why didn’t you say so sooner, Oh MY GOD — we must then immediately make her the nominee.
Televangilists are lying con men. Clearly you don’t utilize all of your brain cells.

but even more insane is to TAKE AWAY delegates from someone who earned them on the ballot……..and give them to the guy who WASNT on the ballot.
The dems will NEVER live that one down.
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Whats more INSANE, that they allow delegates to be seated after HIllary cry foul when she GOT BEHIND in the delegate COUNT, they more or less change the rules in the middle of the game ,
Thats like the REF in a basketball game putting the RIM down to 5 feet from the 10 feet just for the Clintons.
Imagine if the ROLES were reverse and barck pull this stunt ,Oh yes Barack have too much class he would have bow out a long time ago.
This election will be remember as the CLINTONS being the biggest LOSERS and cry babies of all time.
they started off with 146 plus million and predict victory by FEB … and got buried in a campaign ground game by barack for the AGES.
if he plans to run the country like his campaign America is in very good hands.
you cant say the same for the BILLARYS.

Murray190–
You are a life long republican. You are fooling no one.
Any real Hillary supporter who votes for McCain will be gagging while they do it. Not telling us all what a great guy he is.

Thank Obama and his supporters to make democrats UNITED against him.
Posted by: jp | Jun 1, 2008 10:28:58 PM
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I agree 100%

Get Real…Sorry..the Puerto Ricans do NOT want to become a state…that is why they do not get to vote in the GE..the DNC said the only way they would be able to vote is to become a state and they said NO WAY, JOSE! Look it up!! Get educated!~

and DAVID from Texas
what did those numbers ay about the majority of states? you know the ones that Obama won…
and do those numbers putinto converstaion that barack holds those numbers while being the focus of attacks from the Clinton campaign and surrogates AND McCain
who say nothing about Hillary…imagine if she was the nominee…
this all has been a joke.
the numbers show (the primary turn outs alone…besides Puerto Rico) show massive sway to the dems…and in most states mostly to Barack.
Hillary had a low ceiling and lost in her strongest demographic the democratic party outside of that her numbers plummet. She has done this all without one scandal from her past ever being raised…and she has lists of those…whether you like to acknowledge them or not…can you imagine if she had been the nominee…how they had been just waiting hoping she got the nod to release the dogs…
one good thing she did… she immunized obama…unfortunately for her Obama didn’t immunize her back

Yes that’s it my Operation Chaos people! Pretend you’re Clinton Democrats and tell people to either vote for Clinton or McCain!! No one will suspect we’re just telling people to vote for McCain since we know Clinton won’t win.
For good measure, let’s also claim the democrats are horrible for not GIVING Clinton the Nomination! They don’t need to know that even if she got full MI/FL and obama got no MI, she’d still lose so shhh… just attack Democrats and maybe grandpa John won’t get blown away this fall!

Since the Clintons are cheaters/crybabies and got their way with the delegates getting seated
Who speaks NOW for the million of voters who didn’t come out and vote beacuse they were told it wouldn’t count and to stay home. And for the others who vote in the Republican party and for other candidate for fun.
Afterall everyone was told and understood it wouldn’t COUNT.
Those VOTERS should be outrage at this decision to sit these DELEGATES.

Obama is the only decent and intelligent candidate? You haven’t been following along too closely.

New Yorker:
Well Spoken.
I’m sure there are many McCain supporters on this blog trying to stir up discontent, and it appears you have detected this too. The longer and deeper the divide amongst Democrats can be perpetuated, the more likely we will have another Bush administration when McCain wins.
I too saw an emotional woman protesting at the DNC meeting on Saturday, and like you, her comments saddened me. Not so much because of her claim that she would be voting for McCain, but because she is not listening to the issues. From her outburst, I suspect she would be saying the same thing if Clinton was the leading nominee, except she’d be saying something like “I’d never vote for Clinton, I’m voting for McCain”. Same curse, second verse.
Hopefully, over the next couple of weeks, people will stop shouting and start listening. What does McCain offer to your future? To your children’s future? To America’s future? Is this what we want?
The presidential election is only part of the task at hand. We need to vote Democrat on all contests, National, State and Local.

You Obama supporters would like to believe the we Hillary supporters are really republicans…is that your way of denying the truth..that we Hillary supporters prefer McCain over Obama! You had better believe it!! Any day, any time!! I am waiting for a website so that I can list my name as a democrat crossing over…country comes before DNC and phoney Obama!!

Anyone who is/was excited about the prospect of a Hillary presidency, who
says they’re going to vote for McCain,
is not thinking clearly.
Obama’s policy stances are almost identical to Hillary’s. McCain would
continue the war in Iraq for many years, would do almost nothing about the foreclosure crisis, would keep Bush’s tax cuts for the richest billionaires, would do almost nothing about the health care crisis.
PLEASE USE YOUR HEADS. It stings when your favorite candidate loses. I was
a strong Biden supporter myself, and I was very disappointed at his dismal showing. But I’m a Democrat. I want Democratic solutions to our problems.
Different priorities from the terrible republican debacle of the last 8 years.
If you vote for McCain just to spite those Obamaniacs, you will be sticking a knife into America’s back. McCain is NOT moderate on most issues. He has vowed to overturn Roe v Wade. He will start a war in Iran. He will let everyone fend for themselves on everything from healthcare to education to mortgages, etc etc.
Let’s all kiss, make up, and stop this disastrous Republican rule.
PLEASE! I’m going to happily vote for Obama, just like I would have happily voted for Hillary.

murray190 – I think you are right, you are more in line with the republicans.
If you don’t want change – they are the people who most closely match your thinking.

To those Clinton supporters that are now planning to vote for McCain:
Really? Vote for a man who has supported GWB lockstep for the last eight years over someone who has virtually the same voting record as Clinton? Vote for a man who has pledged to keep our troops and our fortunes tied up in Iraq “as long as it takes”? Vote for a man who will likely choose at least one Supreme Court justice, and who has promised to choose someone just like GWB did? Really??

He got blown out again today. Doesn’t appear that he’s doing much uniting these days, not that he ever did anyway.

he wins. she loses, and with it goes her dignity… good riddence

Can’t argue with an Obama supporter…they are too ignorant…either looking for a handout, an abortion or just because he is black…sorry bunch of losers that can only blame Hillary for everything! Hillary won the states that counted..and Obama will not win those in November..so….It is Hillary or McCain..and McCain is 150% better than Obama!! Obama and the DNC are losers too.

OK, time for one of the more politically mature Obama supporters to address the Clinton supporters on here.
First off, ignore most of the obnoxious postings by many of my fellow Obama supporters who are just taunting and saying some pretty ridiculous things in a childish fashion. I have seen many like these in the Obama volunteer situations I have been in and just realize many of them are young and are engaging in the political process for the first time, so they’re, let’s just say, overly excited. They do not represent the overwhelming majority of Obama supporters who are pretty much just like you. Many of us are like you and have voted in more than a couple of campaigns . And I was just as troubled by what Rev. Wright said as many of you were. I offer no excuses for Obama there.
Ignore many of their postings which can’t be taken seriously. Calling Clinton “finished” or “toast” is just silly. Obama will win one of the closest primaries in political history. Tens of millions Democrats voted and a these two guys are separated by a few hundred thousand votes. There are over 4000 delegates and they are separated by a little more than 100. There is no question Hillary has been doing better than Obama since March, whereas he was doing better before. It’s really pretty even and this talk of Hillary being finished like she lost by a landslide is fanciful. Ignore it.
The majority of us Obama supporters think the world of Hillary and although we too occasionally got caught up in the competition in the end we are able to realize she is a valuable ally in the Democrat party, as is Bill. They are not ogres or criminals or fascists or whatever the lates insult is. Bill Clinton is still one of my favorite Democratic leaders and has done much for the party.
So trust me — we welcome you into a united Democratic campaign in November. You will be welcomed by us and for those few Obama supporters who haunt blogs and write before they think, just ignore them like we in the Obama campaign have been doing for a while.
We need you to win in November — you are 50% of the primary campaign voters and the loss of even 10% of you would be harmful. I understand the ridiculous taunts on here are counter-productive because I, like many of you, understand the world of politics.
Come join us and help us because we need you and your ideas and your maturity.
Thanks.

everyone needs to realize the effect ross perot had on the 92 clinton victory
18.9 percent of the pop vote…
then how they slowlyy lost soooo much for the dems…including having a hand in why we lost the 2000 election…remember “values back to the white house”
and the dems are stronger this year.
Clinton didn’t win because he was a centrist…he ran on a similar platform to Dukakis until the scandals…
this is all stupid.
Obama is the guy and Obama will be President…and maybe the world will start fighting for America again.

Hillary lost. Too bad. It’s called Democracy. Time to move on and defeat McWarmonger in Nov.

His earned delegate lead is insurmountable, even if MI & FL are added.
Puerto Rico win means a maximum gain not more than 134 thousand.
The fact is earlier to the PR primary; Barak Obama’s lead was 5 million ahead in terms of popular vote.
Including the caucuses his popular vote is in fact more than 6 million which definitely matters, if push comes to shove or the situation becomes so bad and, it goes to Denver.
Now if you subtract her 134, 000 from Obama’s lead of 5 million, Obama is still the winner in terms of the popular vote.
Remember Earned delegates are not beatable, regardless.
By the way, according to the polls, he is likely to win in MT an SD by a significant margin.
He is also likely to cut into the gain or totally cancel out the gain through his win in MT and SD, Hillary Clinton earned in PR.
Check out TPM, talking points.
I think Mrs. Clinton knows in her heart that the game is over and Obama is a winner.
It is common sense. You don’t have to be a brain surgeon to understand that you become a winner in the democratic primary if you have more delegates.
She knows who has more delegate.
Also, she knows so far she is behind in the popular votes.
She knows all the candidates who ran lost and left, ran lost and left under certain rules.
She knows that the candidate, who is not going to win, who are currently running, are also supposed to run, lose and leave under the same rules.
It is common sense.
She appears to be behaving like little kids who do not accept if they lose and start fighting.
She may be not be accepting out of technical or financial necessities and reason.
That is understandable.
She also has to keep the stakeholder in control.
Her husband and herself have been recipients of very large amounts from the special interest groups in the last few years since his presidency till the present.
I have no doubt she knows it very well, that it is over and, it is just matter of few days, she will find out.
Everybody knows it, in fact.

Hillary lost. Too bad. It’s called Democracy. Time to move on and defeat McWarmonger in Nov.

I guess it’s just has to be enough to win a narrow victory in the primaries and concede defeat in the GE. Because that is what is going to happen with Obama as the nominee.

Mack–
Well you have five months of that lovely fantasy of yours.
Then get ready for 8 years of President Barack Obama my friend.

A vote for McCain/Bush/Cheney should Obama become nominee is murder by Proxy of thousands of military men and women.
Those who voted for Bush/Cheney, their blood is on your hands:
NAME NOT RELEASED YET Cotner, Christian Gasper, Frank J. Evans, Blake W. Dene, Jason F. Norris, Kyle Phillip Haunert, Branden P. Daggett, John K. Cota, Victor M. Ellis, Jessica A. Ford, Joseph A. Jaenichen, Mary J. Ward, Aaron J. Gonzalez, Alex D. Hicks, Corey L. Casanova, Casey L. Guzman, Miguel A. Kimple, James F. Martinez, Glen E. Nichols, Jeffrey F. Caldwell, Chad A. Pearson, Andrew. R. Tucker, Ronald J. Ezell, Lawrence D. Craig, Clay A. Bolander, Bryan E. McCormick, David P. Marion, Adam L. Mathes, Marcus C. Stone, Mark A. Dix, William T. Whitehead, Shaun J. Ramirez, Guadalupe Cervantes Bishop, John T. Cunningham, Timothy W. Blystone, Ronald C. Harrison, Ronald R. Haerter, Jordan C. Yale, Jonathan T. Campos, Adrian M. Vandergrift, Matthew R. Christofferson, Steven J. Kohlhaas, Adam J. Morton, Cherie L. Brosh, Benjamin K. Eakes, Lance O. Brown, Jason L. Huerta-Cruz, Arturo Richard III, Joseph A. Nelson, Richard J. Opicka, Dean D. Allmon, William E. German, Merlin Capra, Anthony L. Hughes, Jeremiah C. Ault, Jesse A. Tousha, Shaun P. Fairbanks, Jacob J. Hartley, Jeffery L. Rosenberg, Mark E. Smith, Timothy M. Lilly, Michael T. Kazarick, Jason C. Vaughn, Richard A. McNeal, Jeremiah E. Pickett, Emanuel Penley, Shane D. Scott, Stephen K. Wolfer, Stuart A. Burgos-Cruz, Ulises Morris, Matthew T. Griffin, Travis L. Dhanoolal, Dayne D. Gilmore, Terrell W. Jordan, Jevon K. Hall, William G. Bennett, Durrell L. Miller, Patrick J. Jankowski, Charles A. Molina, Joshua A. Candelo, Steven I. Rundell, Gregory B. Gamboa, Joseph D. Delgado, George Hake, Christopher M. Hernandez, Jose A. Rubio Habsieger, Andrew J. Ray, II, Thomas C. Williams, David B. Stelmat, David S. Smith, Tyler J. Maupin, Keith M. Unruh, Gregory D. Elledge, Michael D. Simpson, Christopher C. Brown, Lerando J. O’Brien, William D. Bradley, Juantrea T. Jackson, Dustin C. Samten, Tenzin L. West, Laurent J. Anderson, Phillip R. Burkett, Donald A. Mallard, Torre R. Suzch, Shawn M. Cimarrusti, Ernesto G. Julian, David D. McDavid, Robert T. McIntosh, Scott A. Paniagua-Morales, Jose A. Frost, Christopher S. Mowl, Kevin S. Perez, Orlando A. Phillips, Micheal E. Morgan, Keisha M. Weaver, Drew W. Raudenbush, Nathan R. Mackey, Bryant W. Alvarez, Conrad Bitton, Albert Matlock, Jr., Micheal B. Runyan, Luke S. Groepper, Chad D. Washington, Javares J. Spates, Corey E. Sweet, Jack T. Manibog, Michael T. Martin, Timothy P. Whisenhunt, Jerald A. Willett, Gary D. Souffront, Luis A. Skelton, Bradley J. Van Orman, Timothy R. Osmolski, John C. Baez, Miguel A. Alicearivera, Rafael West, Christopher J. Hardy, Nathan H. Koch, Michael E. Barrett, Chad A. Straughter, Matthew F. Schultz, David E. Norman, Michael A. Craig, James E. Jeffries, Gary W. Marshall, Evan A. Meyer, Brandon A. Young, Joshua A. R. Miller, Mikeal W. Rogers, Alan G. Wilson, Robert J. Crookston, Duncan Charles Birkman, Tracy Renee Sturdivant, Michael R. Whiting, Justin R. Gluff, James M. Burress, Richard B. Schoolcraft III, Jon M. Kimme, Danny L. Sharrett II, David H.
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Meza, Gilberto A.
and many, many more!
Maybe you will have the unfortunate fate a draft and having one of your friends, sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, and other loved ones joining these brave people put to death by proxy of Bush/Cheney.

Typical WHite Voters sai: “According to Barry, John McCain would the a 4th term of the Bush’ administration. I wasn’t aware Bush spanked the democrats 3 times.”
Too bad for you. This country indeed had 3 Bush administrations (all bad).

She can cheat and lie all she wants. She’s white and can do it, damit!

Barack has been in cruise control since he put his delegate count lead out of REACH for the Clintons.
Thats why in Puerto Rico he just threw a few ads on TV and send his Wife, NO need to WASTE MONEY and TIME , He needs his money for November he has bigger fish to fry,
his CAMPAIGN TEAMS has long been DISPATCH into the BIG states where he will battle in November.
this has benn long over to the point its HIM and McCain that battles everyday
you never hear Hillary name mention , there is no need.

Even though I’m a republican, I would have voted for Hilary. I won’t vote for Obama. I guess it’s McCain for me (if Hilary isn’t on the ticket at least).

Hillary’s popular vote claims are demonstrably bogus. And the race goes to the winner of the delegate count. Obama will win SD and MT on Tuesday, and most likely within a couple of days, superdelegates will put him over the top. Then Hillary will come up with some new hogwash criteria to stay in the race. But it’s over!

can some one explain why Hilary can’t run as an independent ?

BigMitch-
Hillary Clinton could not even unit her own party to win these primaries. This would seem to indicate she could not win in a general when the people who really dislike her come out to play.
She has run unopposed for months now, nothing negative about her anywhere. Of course her polling numbers are good. She is the only one not having mud thrown at her.

Any “democrat” who votes for McCain over Obama deserves what they ask for. Four more years of war in Iraq. Four more yeas of no national healthcare plan and a policy that would put all of the costs of healthcare on to individuals like you. No more employer provided healthcare under John McCain. Four more years of no energy policy. For more years of the same or more likely worse. If that is what you want vote for McCain. Go ahead and take our nation down with you because your candidate lost in a fair process. Obama might not be your first choice but he shares your values a lot more than John McCain or the Republicans.

Barack Obama will unite the party with the help of many people including Hillary. We will be ready and we will win come November.
Personal differences mean nothing in the face of the horrible direction we’ve been going and will continue to head into under John McCain.

All you trolls who keep saying Democrats will lose because they are too liberal don’t seem to be paying attention to what Americans are saying: Obama or Clinton over McCain. It’s in the polls. Yelp away about “liberal” this and “liberal” all that you like but most Americans are voicing their desire for Democrats to control Congress and the White House. That’s not wishful thinking; it’s a fact that’s easily accessible to anybody who can read a newspaper.

The trouble is with Hillary’s popular vote argument is that she leaves out those of us from 14 caucus states, because she doesn’t feel that caucuses should count. (That’s FOURTEEN states who have contributed according to their accepted formats to the primary process, but who ARE NOT included in the popular vote tally.) But the Clinton campaign does include a significant popular vote total from Puerto Rico, which is NOT counted in a general election.
I realize that this election is so close that a large number of voters will feel great disappoint if their candidate is not the nominee. But to ignore the delegate count, in favor of a popular vote claim, which is nearly impossible to verify, is courting legitimate outrage from disenfranchised caucus voters. We have an imperfect system that probably needs changing by 2012.
Super delegates are within their rights to use whatever standards they prefer, but if they choose to stick with the traditional (more clear cut) delegate math, rather than to tread into an very questionable measurement of the popular vote, they should not be condemned by the Clinton camp, as if they have over turned the will of the people. It may be difficult to impossible to determine the actual will of the people in this election cycle, and the super delegates are within their rights, however they vote, to bring this process to a close (as soon as possible, whatever that outcome might be) so that we as a party have a chance to come together and take on the Republicans.
And, what a travesty it would be for a Party that has had it’s two strongest nominees be a woman and a black man, to dare claim that gender or race prejudices resulted in an unhappy outcome for either side. There are people in this world who are prejudiced, but prejudice should not be blamed for the outcome of this election. The reason one candidate or the other will lose, is because both were outstanding and only one could win.

I don’t have to denounce or reject a goddarn thing. I’m white and I can do what I want, damit!

Hillary can’t run as an Independent because she already needs to qualify in states and is still on the Democratic ballot. She has lost 4 or 5 states as they have closed and you have to have signatures to qualify. She also doesn’t have the money. by running as an Independent she would split the vote with Obama and they would both lose to McCain. McCain is already having a problem with Bob Barr running.

Amen – Independant! I’m a wife of a union worker with 2 teens getting ready for college. We are definitely feeling the pinch with the economy and we support the troops. Our family packs and ships care packages to the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The reason I’m for Obama and so interested in this election. He said from the first minute of his campaign the very same things we were saying in our rural midwest living room. He understood and connected with us immediately. He has organized a gigantic grassroots network of people like you and me – democrat, republican and independent. The big thing in this election is that whatever our party, we are all Americans and we all want more for each other and for our country.
All of us working together will bring change – it always has.
Hillary has no foreign policy experience other than diplomatic travels. She’s been in elected office for fewer years than Obama. And also, in the 8 years of the Clinton administration she was unable to coordinate with others for consensus on a nat’l healthcare plan. How would 4 more years help? We are voting for a president, not a dictator.

I’m white, I’m white – hahahahaha! Don’t you wish you were too? HaHaHaHaHaHa!

IMAGE MATTERS,
“… If you Hillary supporters inflict terrorism on this country by helping elect McCain ….”
Are you saying whatever because you think you can post anonymously?

White Women for McCain. Give me a break!

No
Bush is a terrorist period! McCain is third Bush term, you do the math.
I say this in public all the time. I do NOT support Bush or his policies, never have.
This is still America and I am allowed to state my opinion of the foul creature who is our president.

Did you notice that he was blown out again today. The left wing and black vote are not enough for him to win in the GE. Do you need to hear it again…Not Enough. He’s already severed ties with the typical white Americans, so he’d better start learning Espanol very quickly.

The only vote that counts in America is the vote of hard working White Americans. I’m Hillary Clinton, I’m white and I approve this rule change, damit!
HaHaHaHaHaHa!

They’d better prepare a suicide hotline for all the Obama supporters, because they are going to need it the day after election. I hope we don’t have a Jonestown type of event on our hands. I lived through Gore and Kerry. So stay strong and the hurt will heal over time.

I will win this election, not make good on any promises, ruin the country, and you will still love me, just like you voted George Bush into office for a second term. We are white, damit!
HaHaHaHaHaHa!

Sam, what DNC road blocks are you talking about. And please don’t tell me it is Mi and Fl when Hillary approved that their votes wouldn’t count. So please explain what you mean by road blocks.

To me Hillary can’t be trusted at all as she signed the paperwork with her name on it for Michigan and Florida not to be counted and when she is in trouble she wants those two state to be counted to save her ass, how could people trust you to lead this country ????????
think about it.

How can Hillary supporters be so willing to rally with MactheSame? Answer = they were with him all along, as is Hillary who praised McSame more than she did anybody else. Her supporters have never been democrats anyway. So, good riddance. New alliances are forming and will win. See ya!

Hillary knows she can’t win the Democratic Presidential nomination so she wants to take the party down with her. She wants the Democrats to lose the general election so she can run again in the next election rather than wait 8 more years. It’s all or nothing for Hillary.

I wonder if Hillary will still beloved in Puerto Rico when she stiffs them for thousands of dollars?

Change your nose, change your hair, change your friends, change anything your heart desires, but you will never be white like me!
HaHaHaHaHaHaHa!
I rule the wooooorrrrrrlllllldddddd!

Thank you Paige…you summed it up correctly.

The Hillarious Math – COUNT EVERY VOTE INCLUDING: Democrats Abroad, Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa & Virgin Islands- and pretend every voter in Michigan wants her bad… MAYBE NOT EVERY VOTE… LEAVE OUT:
Alaska,Colorado,Hawaii,Idaho,Iowa,Kansas
Maine, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada
North Dakota ,Texas(Caucus only) Washington & Wyoming… pretend not a single voter in MI. likes Obama.
It’s just soooo Clinton to soil the rugs and steal the furniture,leaving a foul odor as they’re being run out of town. BTW – Bill’s back & ready for a fresh Republican vetting… see the new Vanity Fair

I can make all the mistakes I want, but Obama cannot make one mistake. I’m white and he’s not, damit!
When will you suckas get it?

You can continue to write long and detailed blogs. But there is only one point in this campaign, actually in all of America…
I’m white and he’s not, damit!

CLINTON’S victories are too little too late. It’s as if you lose a nine inning ball game and the other team is in the locker room, getting changed or gone home to sleep and you turn on the scoreboard and hit some home runs in the 10th inning. Obama is already turned his campaign to the General Election and Hillary is running up some margins in contests that truly don’t matter. Her victory in a territory that does not vote in the general election is like, “whatever, so you jumped in the back of a pick up truck, drank some cerveza and travel around the Puerto Rican countryside like a revolutionary.” Here is the problem bee-otch, the game is on the mainland and you got toasted here despite having all the money, the power and the party apparatus behind you. You were NOT READY ON DAY 1 OF THE CAMPAIGN so how can you be READY ON DAY 1 AS PRESIDENT? You were against the WAR after you authorized it. YOU ARE FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE after your approach sabotaged it for a generation. PLEASE HILLARY GO AWAY ALREADY.

All I will say, is she agreed the votes in FLA and MICH wouldn’t count, and now they do. Anyone that would lie to me and themselves about agreements they made wouldn’t think twice about lying about other matters.Shame on the DNC for counting any votes for those states.

Hillary should do one more SNL bit!
This one will have her being dragged
off the stage and grabbing onto desks,
chairs and drapes in an effort to prevent her removal!
Sounds a lot like her refusal to
concede the nomination to Obama and leave the political stage graciously!

You know, I think it’s rather hilarious that a bunch of people will willfully and gladly cast their vote to someone who is utterly incapable of convincing the American people that he understands the current state of the world.
Someone who, despite being known for his efforts to create a consensus between Democrats and Republicans, readily adopts the neo-conservative party line once he needs their support.
Does that sound like someone who you would like to have running this country? He can’t even USE THE INTERNET OR CHECK EMAIL! How is he supposed to have his finger on the pulse of the people, IF he can’t even post a comment on this website!
It just goes to show that most Americans are in fact, just as sadly blind to rationale and reason.
Vote with your emotions.
Let critical thought and reasoning hide behind your blind rage.

Let’s face it, Hilary’s supporters desire for someone with a vagina to be in the white house is stronger than their sense of reason and fair play.
How else do you explain wanting the keep the votes in Michigan?

For all you imbeciles who can’t see the forest for the trees. For those of you who want to TRULY disenfranchise voters in caucus states, and so-called red states. For those of you who discredit HOPE and embrace DYNASTY. For those of you who say you’ll betray your party, who call Obama a “looser” (sic) and a variety of racist bullshit, I ask you to do one thing for me.
Look in the mirror. Say the things you think about Obama. Make the faces you make as you type your hateful, racist, antidemocratic, anti-Democratic venom and answer me this one question:
Do you look bitter?
Yeah, he was – in the end – right about that too.

Hey AG
I’ll give you 365 reasons. http://www.365hillary.com
Change is coming. America, you should be smiling. :)

Hussein Obama will never be president of the USA. He is not electable.

Hillary didn’t earn her delegates, she cheated. She gave her word (which is worthless,) and pledged not to campaign in those states. SHe didn’t give a rats “A-sockey-sockey” for those states until she realized she was losing, then she stirred up this mess.
THE MI and FL DNCs created this mess, by dishonoring their pledge to hold their primaries after March 1, then they wanted to holler about losing seats.
Obama and Edwards did the honorable thing. They complied with the DNC and did not campaign in those states. Why should Obama be penalized for obeying the rules?
Clinton believes she is above the law. They have gotten away with murder for years. Now is the time for the nation, and the voters to send the Clintons back to New York, or Arkansas, or Penssylvania, or whatever state they are claiming as their home this week!

OK, time for one of the more politically mature Obama supporters to address the Clinton supporters on here.
First off, ignore most of the obnoxious postings by many of my fellow Obama supporters who are just taunting and saying some pretty ridiculous things in a childish fashion. I have seen many like these in the Obama volunteer situations I have been in and just realize many of them are young and are engaging in the political process for the first time, so they’re, let’s just say, overly excited. They do not represent the overwhelming majority of Obama supporters who are pretty much just like you. Many of us are like you and have voted in more than a couple of campaigns . And I was just as troubled by what Rev. Wright said as many of you were. I offer no excuses for Obama there.
Ignore many of their postings which can’t be taken seriously. Calling Clinton “finished” or “toast” is just silly. Obama will win one of the closest primaries in political history. Tens of millions Democrats voted and a these two guys are separated by a few hundred thousand votes. There are over 4000 delegates and they are separated by a little more than 100. There is no question Hillary has been doing better than Obama since March, whereas he was doing better before. It’s really pretty even and this talk of Hillary being finished like she lost by a landslide is fanciful. Ignore it.
The majority of us Obama supporters think the world of Hillary and although we too occasionally got caught up in the competition in the end we are able to realize she is a valuable ally in the Democrat party, as is Bill. They are not ogres or criminals or fascists or whatever the lates insult is. Bill Clinton is still one of my favorite Democratic leaders and has done much for the party.
So trust me — we welcome you into a united Democratic campaign in November. You will be welcomed by us and for those few Obama supporters who haunt blogs and write before they think, just ignore them like we in the Obama campaign have been doing for a while.
We need you to win in November — you are 50% of the primary campaign voters and the loss of even 10% of you would be harmful. I understand the ridiculous taunts on here are counter-productive because I, like many of you, understand the world of politics.
Come join us and help us because we need you and your ideas and your maturity.
Thanks

Hey Jack,
No matter how much you pump and rub on gels and creams it will always be small.
Jack has penis envy!
LOL

This is very simple. She signed a pledge to not campaign or be placed on the Michigan ballot and broke her promise, yet demands she be awarded all the delegates. When this happened in 1992, she pushed to have entire states disenfranchised because they moved their primaries, yet now she claims to be their champion? And those pesky caucuses? Don’t count, she says. Perhaps more importantly, if you all do take that swan dive into the McCain pool out of some childish wish for revenge, he will appoint a reactionary judge to the Supreme Court and you can see all of your precious, hard – fought civil rights fly away for good. You will only have yourselves to blame. As a delegate to the California convention last year, I saw him up close; he is clearly the best candidate I have ever seen in my life and he will win hands down in November, no matter what you pathetic trolls say.

Let’s see;
McCain nearly 100% voting record against womans right to choose and will put judges on the court that will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Stay the course in Iraq and maybe even bomb Iran for good measure.
No, repeat No desire or plan to change health care, about as far from universal health care as one can get.
Make permanent the Bush tax cuts.
I could go on
People have turned this whole thing into a sporting event not an incredibly important elections with ramifications long into the future. Hillary supporters I am sorry your candidate lost, so did mine (a long while ago, though). It is time to accept this and move on. The idea that you would vote for McCain when he is opposite on nearly every issue that Senator Clinton stands for, while her issues are the same issue of concern to Senator Obama shows a level of vindictiveness which is reprehensible. Winning has become so important that we have forgotten why it is we want to win in the first place

Her concept/story/idea only includes primaries, it does not include the caucases.
So Hillary, so much for including everyone. You are clearly not including everyone, so stop stretching the story.

10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 It’s over chubs Hillray has finally stealthley seeked her chicken sht operation to melt out.
Go away!

I can understand the Clinton supporters being disappointed that their candidate isn’t going to win but under no circumstances would I consider voting for McCain in the general election. Not only would it be a continuation of the Bush administration but it would set our country back decades with what would happen with the Supreme Court alone. Go Democrats!

The longer Hillary stays in the more bitter this fight is going to become. Hillary supporters just have to realize that Hillary’s chances are less than 1% or lower and cannot be overcome. It is time to let go and get behind Obama. If this hostility continues you will guarantee that McCain wins the election. If you allow that to happen you are not true democrats.

“So I’m in it for the long run; it’s not a very long run, it will be over by February fifth”
Hillary Clinton-

If we can show Hillary her math is faulty and a Harvard professor confirms her math is faulty she will drop the popular vote in a heartbeat, and start talking about electability and electoral college.
so much for concern about the people.
Puerto Rico no longer counts toward her electability or electoral college argument.
And that is exactly why Clinton has lost to Obama.
She will say and do anything to win, he will admit his mistakes and stand for what is right.

Hillary is trying everything she can to win. Her drive is admirable. But she cannot win. Ignoring some caucuses and including Michigan, where Obama’s name wasn’t even on the ballot, does not a real popular lead make, in a real democracy. This is not Cuba where Castro is the only name on the ballot…
What we have to concentrate on now is how to move forward. Clinton and Obama agree on the majority of political issues and troubles facing the country. I urge us to unite behind the party to ensure we win this election. For those who say, “Don’t vote,” or “vote McCain,” out of spite or frustration, I say we cannot afford four more years of a downward spiral.
Some seem to like McCain’s “straight talk” personality. But you are not just voting for a personality. You are voting on issues of life or death in Iraq, and on the economy, and more. Please consider this, and support the Democratic candidate, who in all likelihood will be Barak Obama.
Whichever candidate wins the November election will have so many challenges to handle, they will need our support. The Dems are not a miracle cure for all ills, but at least they will try to move the country in a forward direction, and not flush it down the toilet, the way the Republicans have been doing, and the way McCain would continue to do. For the sake of your children, for the sake of our future, please vote for the Democratic candidate.
Join together now. Please. It is too important to throw away an election on in-fighting.

Wake up Montana and SD….don’t vote for this Obama, after all we know about his lack of judgement. How could anyone in their right mind not think the GOP will not ream BHO in Nov.?
These state will be Republican in the general, I believe, and if I was a Republican who could vote BHO Tuesday, I would, so McCain can trounce him. But if you are in any way a legit Dem, you gotta put your faith behind Hillary.
His 11 win streak was all BEFORE we knew his foul associations/belief in Black Liberation Theology. Christian, no, Muslim – maybe, Atheist – could be. Why couldn’t he just attend a regular Baptist church preaching brotherly love? Trinity/Rev. Wright will be his undoing, followed by lack of experience….exit polls will show millions of Hillary supporters backed McCain in Nov.

If Clinton is counting MI and FL toward her popular vote count, then Obama should have received the memo that the rules changed.
Second, if she wants to count those states, then Obama should count the people who came out to caucus.
It is time to unite for Nov. and start discussing the REAL issues with McCain…health care, the war in Iraq, the economy and tax code fairness.

Amy…you can’t sit it out. You must vote, as a no vote allows Obama an inch closer to the WH.

It becomes very clear ,after invectives of ‘commie’, or leftist wacko’ are hurled that many of these posters are not Democrats. Therefore their sentiments can be ignored ,’cause they’re voting McCain, anyway. For those TRUE Clintonistas, let me assure you that HRC will NEVER be President. If by some unimaginably Machiavellian turn she ‘wins’ the nomination, her blatant pandering, hypocritical scorning of the very rules that she agreed to, and her cynical narcissism ensures that she will be the easiest candidate for the GOPers in November. Too then, since she CLEARLY wants to damage the Dems – so that she is the ‘last man’ standing for 2012 – the entire apparatus of this party will shun her , as the egomaniacal head case that she is. BTW : I’ll vote for her, too! See,.. that’s what intelligent people do .They vote their interests( think 2,or3 SCOTUS appments), and the issues. They leave their bruised egos aside. Peace, y’all!

Watching these primaries and the current in-fighting, I understand how the Republicans won in 2000 and 2004 and how the extreme Right has hijakced this country for nearly a decade. My fellow AMERICANS, remember United We Stand…not just as democracts, but as Americans. None of the candidates if perfect! BUT vote for who you think is the best of the avaiable choices. I support Hillary because of her positions, not because she is a woman, not because of the happy Clinton years. BUT she lost the nomination battle even though she had many advantages going in. Obama has earned the nomination. And because his similarities with Hillary are greater than his differences, I will vote for him. I hope he surrounds himself with great advisors and listens to them, and to the american people!

Swinging from the far right to the far left isn’t the answer. Most Americans are closer to the center. It’s what worked for Clinton, stupid.

PUERTO RICO NOTHING DIFFERENT WITH ILLEGAL alien , NP PAY TAX FEDERAL TAX but got 100 % WELFARE ,Bill let that happen.
In January 1998, right after The Washington Post revealed President Bill Clinton’s relationship with Monica, I spoke with him about his predicament. Shell-shocked and stunned at the calls for his impeachment, he knew he was facing the fight of his life. At first, he was vintage Bill Clinton: maudlin, sad and full of self-pity. But as we talked, he gradually changed his tone. Admitting that he was not innocent, but recognizing his diminishing support, he then told me defiantly: “Well, we’ll just have to win.”
Several years later, I was surprised to read in Sidney Blumenthal’s memoirs that then-first lady Hillary Clinton had used the exact same words on the exact same day in a conversation with the White House aide. “We’ll just have to win.”
That’s how the Clintons think — no matter what, they have to win. Winning is everything, and how you do it is not determined by any inner sense of values or ethics, but by a resolve to do whatever needs to be done, no more and certainly no less. So, on that day in January 1998 — because they had to win — their campaign to discredit a 23-year-old intern began in the White House. Private investigators dug up her old boyfriends. White House operatives spread the word that it was the president who was the victim. The young woman was an unbalanced stalker.
As impeachment unfolded, the extramarital affairs of key members of the Republican leadership in the House were suddenly outed.
Hillary Clinton began the disinformation campaign. Appearing on “The Today Show,” she righteously claimed that there was nothing to support Lewinsky’s claims and insisted that Bill was just “ministering” to a “troubled young woman.” Then came the blue dress and the Clintons finally — and reluctantly — changed gears.
But they never changed philosophies. Winning is still everything. No matter who gets destroyed, offended or hurt in the process.
We’ve seen it throughout Hillary’s campaign: the race-baiting by Bill Clinton in South Carolina and by Hillary in Kentucky. His comparison of Obama to Jesse Jackson and her talk about “hard-working whites” was not accidental. The Clintons don’t make verbal mistakes.
Everything they say is deliberate. And then Bill Clinton actually had the nerve to say that it was the Obama campaign and not him — that they had played the race card. Once again, he’s the victim.
Now Bill and Hillary are desperate to keep Hillary in the race. Despite mathematical impossibility, the Clintons are biding their time. Out of money and out of delegates, they are waiting for some unknown force to suddenly emerge and change the race. That’s why Hillary made the reference to Bobby Kennedy.
Because the Clintons know, better than most people, that time has often been a friend.
Anything can happen. Remember how, in 2001, they left the White House as pariahs amid the uproar about the last-minute pardons involving brothers of both of them, the hundreds of thousands of dollars in gifts of china, silver and furniture that they arranged to get from donors, and the theft of White House furniture. They were in disgrace. Hillary’s first press conference was a defense of her brothers’ payments for pardons. Both Clintons were lambasted by The New York Times, The Washington Post and every other media outlet. And, in Bill’s last hours in office, he pleaded guilty to crime and was disbarred.
But seven years later, Hillary has come amazingly close to becoming the Democratic Party nominee. And until he destroyed his reputation by his bizarre and belligerent behavior in Hillary’s campaign, Bill Clinton was the most popular guy in the world.
Time allowed Bill and Hillary to remake themselves — he as a save-the-world philanthropist and she as a hard-working senator who got along with everyone.
Just like time had turned the special counsel’s draft indictment of Hillary into scrap paper, particularly after Jim McDougal, the chief witness, died in prison.
And time erased the memory of the Clintons’ pardon of the FALN terrorist group to help Hillary with the Puerto Rican community.
But now time is finally running out for the Clintons. They’ve stayed at the party too long, and it isn’t a pretty sight. But they won’t leave gracefully. No way. They still believe that there’s a chance to win. And they’ll do anything to make that happen.
Because they just have to win.

These people who say they will vote McCain if HRC loses the nomination are like little children, (Debra), who will take the ball and leave the playground. How ridiculous! “Oh, I can’t have HRC, so I’ll vote for the war mongering Republican”? That’s really brilliant thinking! NOT!

Mack, we’re all entitled to our opinions and whomever we choose to vote for, so be it; however, would appreciate your refraining from calling anyone stupid. NOT necessary. I’m highly educated via formal education, but also on life. Open your mind that people have different opinions. I’m merely a true democrat, but concerned about her electability because of these major litigation issues that the GOP will eat her alive in during the general election. Talking major litigation on issues that have occurred since she left the WH.

The choosing of a Democrat nominee can’t possibly be expected to be “democratic” in the Clintons’ lawyers’ infantile sense–if it was, it wouldn’t be just Senators who could participate! Heck, let’s just give children the vote, too. We ALWAYS get to choose only between “undemocratically” pre-selected candidates, for crying out loud. Otherwise everybody would vote for whoever–the American they personally admire the most, you know? “My Barber for President!” or whatever.

Henry…the adjective “scarey” is one that millions of Americans attach to Obama.
McCain and Hillary are friendly and respectful and that is why they are uniting Americans…..NEVER OBAMA NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE!

Reason…I am a Republican who voted/supported/contributed to HRC. I still feel she is the best candidate. I am an American first, party loyalist second. Millions of us out there for this election. Some of us just really want to trust the guys we give the keys over to on Pennsylvaina Ave. A deserving true American with judgement enough to never belong to a Black Liberation Theology church for 20 years.

Yes, Hillary wins the popular vote if you give Obama no votes in Michigan and don’t include ANYBODY who voted in a caucus..
Just change the rules until she wins. It’s only fair!

Getting tired, should have said “And what do you call blind loyalty to a party that nominates a candidate that does not represent your views. Insanity?

If it was safe in Bosnia, why were the soldiers in combat gear?
Posted by: Mack | Jun 2, 2008 1:48:07 AM
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If it was dangerous, why did she take the time to receive a poem from a nine-year-old girl on the tarmac, then leisurely greet soldiers on her way to her transportation. Why did she admit that she “mispoke?”

Good point, Ravenman!

Here’s a thought:
The Democrats do not award delegates based on the principle of one-man-one vote in the popular vote.  Them’s not the Dem’s rules; never BEEN the rules.  Democratic delegates ranged (just for one “fer instance”) anywhere from eight to three in different legislative districts in Texas (the districts having been drawn to have roughly equal populations).  In another “fer instance” the delegates available in Pennsylvania districts ranged anywhere from nine to three (I think it a range was nine to three, maybe the biggest was only eight).  These are for legislative districts of roughly equal populations mind you.
Maybe Democrats don’t like those rules now that they know about them, but those have been the rules for 20 years.  Those were the rules under which Bill Clinton won two nominations.
Those are the rules under which Hillary Clinton sought the Democrats’ nomination.  If she wanted to run under different rules, she should have run for the Republican nomination.
This is not to say that I find Hillary math acceptable–I do not.
Rather, this is to make the point that the Democrats have NEVER awarded delegates based on overall popular vote; never done that before anyway.

“In addition, her claim to the popular vote lead is an outright LIE intended to deceive HONEST, HARDWORKING VOTERS! ”
………and based on HRC’s history, you expected her to be truthful?
Gobama!

I have NO PROBLEM with Obama! He is a man of integrity and a God-send!
He’s the best candidate to take over the presidency from the convict and hoodlum who claims it now and keep it from the prevaricators who would wrest it from him on a pack of lies, HRC and John McBush!

Can you understand that people have problems with Obama and it doesn’t have anything to do with Hillary losing? Obama created his own problems, yet he points the finger at everyone else. He didn’t even have the courage to present his “resignation” letter to his beloved congregation. Explaining to them why he feels that he needs to leave the church now after supporting them and their agenda for 20 years.
Posted by: Mack | Jun 2, 2008 1:55:39 AM
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Any racist wanting to find a rationalization to justify not voting against Obama will find one, no matter how specious.
The Clinton’s Negative Campaign
Bill: “Well you know Jesse Jackson won SC in 86, it’s not a big deal.
Bill: on Obama‘s campaign. : It’s a “fairy tale, give me a break.”
Bill: “Wouldn’t it be nice to have TWO LOYAL AMERICANS running for president?”
Hillary: “You don’t get to choose your family, but you choose your pastor. (Countless times on TV) She chose Bill.
Hillary: Tons of “BITTER” comments.
Hillary: Elitism: “It is clear that the uneducated, hard working Americans – WHITE AMERICANS – vote for me overwhelmingly. They are my core base.”
On whether Obama is a Muslim: “Not as far as I know.”

What do you call the hate that was flying around TUCC? That’s not racism? His mentor is a racist and he supported and condoned his racist rantings for 20 years.
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“hate flying around? As I said, a racist will find any justification for not voting for Obama, no matter how specious.

Soldiers in US bases wear full combat gear?
Posted by: Mack | Jun 2, 2008 2:12:54 AM
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In areas designated “combat zones” yes. But that designation does not mean the area is always dangerous. You never did explain why she casually strode across the tarmac and took the time to have a poem read to her by a nine-year-old girl accompanied only by her nine-year-old daughter, a guitar player and a comedian. No sax player. And don’t you remember she even admitted she “misspoke.” read lied.

See, jB, she’s already making a mockery of her own party for her own ends.

I’ll feel better when Obama takes the oath of office. No, I don’t believe that anyone who doesn’t support Obama is a rascist anymore than I believe that anyone who doesn’t support HRC is a sexist.

SP–really quite beautiful. But how can the perceived weakened trust be restored without insulting America’s intelligence? Extraordinary diplomacy will be needed, and inspired PR; fortunately the Senator from Illinois has both.

One thing we’ve learned since 2001: You can’t trust anything readers say in their comments on the “internets.” So many of you claiming that you’ll vote for McCain over Obama are offering arguments that are so blatantly absurd, so badly spelled, in such twisted, incomprehensible syntax, and often with such palpable undercurrents of racism, that it’s obvious — to me at least — that you’re not Democrats.
That you continue to believe your remarks could influence anyone only tells me how idea-poor and desperate the GOP has become. Time to look into your souls and repent for the hundreds of thousands of displaced in Iraq, the tens of thousands of wounded, and thousands of dead.
In the meantime, America will be turning the page on you. Goodbye and good luck when you meet your Maker!

Yes Hillary, count every vote, except of course when you are trying to claim that you are leading, then of course only count the votes you want to.

Some serious questions to all of the Hillary supporters. Do you actually love the Clintons more than your own country? Would you actually vote for our country to have four/eight more years of the same policies as we’ve had in the George W Bush era, just because your candidate didn’t win the nomination? Are you actually saying that you’d spite your own kids and grandkids future because you love Hillary more than them?
NOW, a comment for the Hillary supporters. When this nation was founded, it was one man, one vote. A conservative vote doesn’t count any more than a liberal vote. Instead of complaining about how liberals stole the nomination from Clinton, perhaps you should ask yourself what you need to do to gain those votes in the next election. Do you think Hillary would win WITHOUT those voters in November? Can the Democratic party afford to see more and more liberal voters switching over to Ralph Nader in every presidential election?

How can Obama be a loser if he’s winning? Hillary ran a bad campaign. I’m not saying she is a bad person, just she got bad advice. She lost fair and square. It’s like sports, everything else is just arguing about the calls…

People keep calling Obama a far left whacko…
What policy places him farther to the left than Mrs. Clinton? His lightly more conservative and prcessual approacgh to health care? His almost fiscally conservative tax cut proposals?
There almost identical foreign policy, where the only difference is that his stance on talking to the eladers of enemy states is supported by many leading Republican thinkers?
How is he more liberal than Hillary Clinton?

lollarossa,
Obama wants to raise income and capital gain taxes. His spending proposals are huge. His healthcare plan mandates children insurance but lives mothers without. He voted for the Patriot act, war funding, Bush/Chenney energy bill, etc.
Conservative is small government, low taxes, non-ingerention of government in citizens lives except for providing the security for them.
Obama campaigned for Joe Liberman. Is he really for ending the war?

Dentuso says: This is a horribly dishonest argument, and with each passing day it paints everyone as fools.
Well Hillary does brag about her base being UNEDUCATED!

Never was there a more convincing argument made than exists in these comments for denying both of these candidates the nomination and turning to a unifier at the convention.
I’m convinced neither of these candidates has any chance of winning in November and I seem to be the only person on here that remembers the past eight years and the justice that must be meted out to the Republican Party and the screaming need for repairing their damage.

First, let me say that I am quite thankful not to be a part of the Democrat Party, given what I have witnessed in the last few days. The fact that Senator Clinton and her supporters have been allowed to behave in the manner that they have regarding Florida and Michigan, in my opinion, reveal a real weakness of leadership. Do we teach our children that rules are made to be broken and challenged because they interfere with what they want. I think not. And the notion that untruths which are coined as “spin” are OK is simply a sign of poor character. It is my hope that Senator Obama will maintain the integrity and honesty that he appears to possess. Only time will tell…

For all of the Clinton supporters carping about the four delegates in the Michigan solution, how about going by what your candidate has said and urge those delegates to change their mind? If you think your case is so strong, flip the delegates but I think you’ll find that not too many people are willing to jump aboard a sinking ship…or is that the real problem here?

An American in Canada for David –
It is easy for an American living in Canada spreading division. Most I know who left America could not stand Bush or Bush’s third term. Don’t be sad, be glad Hillary lost because you ain’t seen nothing yet. We the grass roots are going to clean Washington by the million fold. However, stop that racist rant tone. Don’t be a sore loser!

I am so sick of these spoiled “Democrats” saying that if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination they will vote for McCain. You are NO DEMOCRAT! If you are really that shallow, then McCain deserves your vote. I worked for Bill Clinton’s campaign and I was very disappointed in the kind of campaign they ran. At times I felt like I would never support her if she were the nominee. But to resort to voting for McCain, who represents the very same Bush ideology, that is worse than petty. Take a good look at McCain, he doesn’t even know day to day what is going on. He has serious anger management problems. Sounds like your choice of him over Obama speaks volumes about you. So if you cant be an adult, then the Republicans deserve you!

The last thing this country needs is another eight years of an egotistical, delusional, politician like we have now.
Note to Hillary: Please just shut-up and go away. You didn’t win…get over it!

Okay, this is it folks. The primary is ending. Like it or not, Clinton lost– she lost in delegates, states, and by popular vote. Time to choose– are you a democrat or republican. Hillary? You first.

Clinton won California, New York, and Florida. Do you think Obama can win without those states? I think not.

Wow! This is incredibly sad. We have a process in the Democratic party to nominate our candidate and Obama has followed every rule and come out on top. Maybe he wasn’t your first choice, but you don’t always get your first choice in a democracy. (Clintonites whine about 4 votes when she’s down by hundreds? Come on! She could have had delegates out of MI and FL.)
Grow up and act like an adult. Do you think McCain was the first choice of most Republicans? Heck no. But they will fall in line and vote for them because they are disciplined. Obama will be a superb President. When that happens, will you still be whining?

Ken Wells…I agree, the DLC will stop at nothing and I’m afraid that there is going to be turmoil at the convention. The DLC will actually, in my opinion, be against Obama and there is nothing the DNC or the SuperDelegates can do about it. I don’t see Hillary running as an Independent, but I also don’t see the Democratic party uniting either. This nomination or victory for Obama will be short-lived. The Dems have played right into the hands of the GOP this year, and they are licking their chops to destroy Obama, which they will. You can’t blame Hillary or Obama, but it rests in the DNC, namely, Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy. This year is a sad year for the Democrats. We only thought the race was bad between Obama and Clinton, now the war begins and I’m afraid the GOP will win this war!

The Barack Obama campaign and its sympathizers have begun to articulate much more clearly what they mean by their vague slogan of “change” – nothing less than usurping the historic Democratic Party, dating back to the age of Andrew Jackson, by rejecting its historic electoral core: white workers and rural dwellers in the Middle Atlantic and border states.
Without a majority of those voters, the Democrats have, since the party’s inception in the 1820s, been incapable of winning the presidency. The Obama advocates declare, though, that we have entered an entirely new political era. It is not only possible but also desirable, they say, for Democrats to win by turning away from those whom “progressive” pundits and bloggers disdain variously as “Nascar man,” “uneducated,” “low information” whites, “rubes, fools, and hate-mongers” who live in the nation’s “shitholes.”
Having attempted, with the aid of a complicit news media, to brand Hillary Clinton as a racist — by flinging charges that, as the historian Michael Lind has shown, belong “in black helicopter/grassy knoll territory,” Obama’s supporters now fiercely claim that Clinton’s white working class following is also essentially racist. Favoring the buzzword language of the academic left, tinged by persistent, discredited New Left and black nationalist theories about working-class “white skin privilege,” a vote against Obama has become, according to his fervent followers, “a vote for whiteness.”

I am a life long democrat. And I am one of the 17+ million Clinton supporters that will NOT vote for Obama. But I won’t sit home either–after the way the deck has been stacked against Hillary. My vote will go to McCain as a act of protest against the Democratic party. The media continues to say that Obama has work to do to bring the party together. He can never bring the party together. In fact, the DNC further divided the party on Saturday by taking 4 earned delegates from Clinton and reallocating them to Obama. This was nothing more than a punch in the eye and Obama’s supported this effort. These are votes cast by thousands of individuals for Hillary Clinton and then reallocated to Obama. I don’t care what candidate you support–this is nothing short of election fraud and stacking the deck. I urge Hillary and team to run as an independant in protest of what “our” the “democratic” party has become. If she is unwilling to abandon the party, I urge all Clinton supporters to vote McCain in ’08.

Julia, I would be unhappy if my candidate had lost. That’s understandable. But to vote against all your principles borders on (to put it nicely), “cutting off your nose to spite your face.”
Will you abandon those principles? If so, what does that say?

Hey easyenough,
I don’t agree with David but you are flat our wrong. The black vote has been important to the party since the 60s but while important–it can not stand alone. Since FDR, no democratic president has ever been elected without winning the appalachia area, which enables a democratic win in Ohio and West Virginia. Obama’s campaign is famous for calling out that he is doing just as well with white working class voters as Kerry and Gore. The problem is that both Kerry and Gore lost the election. This is why Hillary is such a stronger candidate than Obama. The only democratic president since FDR to win two terms was Clinon and he won these two states. Obama may be the nominee but once again our process has delivered a one term candiate at best and it is questionable if he can win at all. McCain leads Obama in both Ohio and West Virginia by a large margin. (Clinton currently leads McCain in both).

@ david from texas
Hillary would be toast in the GE for the same reasons you list as to why Obama would be toast.
We can unite and win this thing. That is unless you’re truly a republican posing as a democrat to keep the pot bubbling.

@ Julia
A thoughtful response, Julia. I don’t totally disagree. But I maintain that we cannot, must not live under four more years of republican administration.
As hard as it might appear to be now, we must end this bitter debate, unite behind the candidate, and defeat McLame in November.

does it bother any one else that $100 Mill Hill is still asking for donations from people who cant afford it so that she can pay off her own debt?
there’s just something repugnant about a millionaire a hundred times over begging for money. Seriously.

David:
I don’t know how old you are. I’m older than the dirt under God’s rug. So I’ve seen worse fights than this.
As you clearly lay out, it will be HARD to unite. However; IF people are willing to move beyond the pettiness (not always a good bet), than the hispanics, blacks, new young voters, and currently bitter Hillary women, would be a large enough coalition to put Obama on top.

Easyenough,
I do understand that people want to bring the party together but this was not the way to do it. The DNC had the opportunity to make this right on Saturday without taking anything away from Obama. The reality is that there are more than just hurt feeling among the democratic women I know. I am truly offended by the way Hillary has been treated this entire year. I understand that other may support a different candidate but tell me honestly….if Barrack’s first name were Bernice but with everything else exactly the same (same style, resume, experience etc.) do you honestly believe that Hillary would not be our nominee right now. I am not sure that this divide can be healed this year.

Many people, particularly the sort of who would post a comment here, believes passionately in their respective candidate. Both have their flaws. That being said, Sen Obama will be the nominee of the democratic party. The alternative to Sen. Obama is 4 more years of Bush Lite in the form of a McCain presidency. If you feel that this is a price worth paying in order to allow the possibility of a reprise performance by Sen. Clinton, then I can not argue with that view. There are few policy issues dividing the two candidates. The primary one is of race v gender, which is an emotive but not a rational basis upon which to base a decision.
Sen. Clinton has in the Democratic primary campaign avoided a detailed recitation of prior Clinton scandals (too numerous to enumerate here). This would not be the case in a general election. Sen. Obama has been less fortunate in this respect. This may invalidate her argument that she is the superior general election candidate, and in any event the point is moot as she will not be the nominee.
Therefore, there is only one question – If you are a Clinton supporter, can you sufficiently detatch yourself from the emotional commitment to Sen. Clinton to vote your core beliefs. If not, vote McCain and accept the consequences.

@ david….
that’s just sad…and I don’t agree that everyone of the 17 million will side with you…
@ julia
you strike me as being very thoughtful and intelligent in your comments (no condecention implied there)… I share with you another woman’s comments from another blog:
“I fail to see what Hillary expects to gain from her increasingly bizarre statements about popular vote and about switching by superdelegates. In my mind, she has made herself less desirable as a candidate as she her whining about race, about sex, about just about anything she can………..it all doesnt change the fact she blew what was the race that was suppposed to be hers by her own stupidity and ego. Time for the Democratic party to move on from the Clintons, who in any case are only in it for themselves, and to Obama and others who want to bring politics into the 21 century by facing up to today’s issues not yesterdays.
The women who support Hillary who think they can take their marbles and go home just dont know how to play the game in a co-educational world. They lose in the end, but luckily they cant take the rest of us down with them. I speak as a 50 yr old woman who is tired of the display of immaturity of women who should have learned better in the last 30 years.”

@ easyenough….you are entitled to your opinion and me to mine, I respect that. Maybe not all 17+ million will go against Obama, but the majority will and he will lose the election. Most Obama supporters, I believe, just assumed that when he becomes the nominee, that Clinton supporters will just fall in line behind them……this will not happen and you can see that the division is becoming more and more clear. If Obama wins the nomination Tuesday, Wednesday morning will began a new chapter in the Democratic party…that chapter will be called “Divide We Fall”. I know, I will not vote for Obama in the GE….but, will vote for McCain. I also champion Clinton supporters and other Democrats to do the same.

@ david
I would ask why, but I’m sure you have your reasons and I respect that.
@most of you who post here….
have a great day. this is a good, mostly respectful blog. it gives one hope for the future

The DP’s Primary Elections and Caucuses for their presidential candidate are carried out at the state and territorial level (Democrats Abroad counts as a state), with a proportional number of delegates going to each candidate. A majority of those delegates plus the superdelegates choose the candidate.
HRC can try to persuade them that the results of the Primary Elections signify something or other but the fact of the matter is, the flow is not going nor is it likely to go her way. Fair or not, these are the determining factors and the Clintons knows it – that’s why they’re already laying off staff; and that’s why HC for President staff members are hoping to join the Obama Campaign.
Those that want more of the same, can support John McCain. And those looking for a more substantial and nutritious political meal will support the DP’s winning candidate, as Hillary herself soon will do.

For a Progressive of any stripe to vote for anyone in the Neocon camp is a betrayal of all they have claimed they stand for.
You see, this election is not about any one personallity but about war, torture, international relations, the Constitution with it’s Bill of Rights, health care and a fair shake for everyone in this conservative damaged economy.

To Linda F….you are entitled to your opinion…however, the DNC has made the party divisive, along with the so-called “stuperdelegates”. Dems have been hurt deeply by this whole process, which has been a farce from day one. I’m not advocating change, but facing reality….many, many Dems will be voting GOP or Independent this year and not for Obama. He will not win in the GE….you know it, I know it, and so does the party itself. Even Donna Bazille, a stauch Obama superdelegate has stated it is likely Obama will win in the GE because of party division, and she is African American. The writing is on the wall.

I find it interesting that HRC wants the delegates from all fifty states, but she is going to cherry pick the states to make her case for the popular vote. The Republicans were spot on when they called her divisive. I hope that she will prove the Republicans wrong and make her speech Tuesday night. HRC: Please use your power for good, not evil!!

Sure, I can understand the Democrats for McCain.
After all, what’s a few more litmus-tested pro-life Supreme Court justices in return for a candidate who’s “ready”…
…(to learn the difference between Shi-ite and Sunni).

I mean what are we going to do – elect an inexperienced guy from Illinois at a time of national crisis? That would be just crazy, and unprecedented (except for the last time we did it).
No, of course we aren’t. We’re going to elect John McCain, who has intimate knowledge of foreign affairs through his shopping junkets in artificially secure Baghdad markets.

It’s about McCain now not Hillary!!!
Bush-hugging McCain has made fear, nation-building occupation and still more war as the center of his run for the presidency.
Remember…
The Republicans were in charge;
when warnings about terrorism were ignored before 9/11,
when Afghanistan and the battle against the Taliban and Al Qaeda was abandoned,
when a war of choice against a country that was not an imminent threat was begun,
when a war in Iraq was begun based on lies,
when this ill-advised war was begun without a cultural understanding of the people,
when far too few troops were used for that illegal action in Iraq,
when lawlessness and looting were tolerated,
when the Iraq army was disbanded,
when troop armor and gear were kept sup-par for the mission,
when a forced vote was held too early before Sunni concerns were addressed,
when torture was allowed to become administration policy,
when illegal detentions became administration policy,
when spying on Americans became administration policy,
when support for war profiteers became administration policy,
when habeas corpus became something not available to all,
when posse comitatus became abandoned,
when spying on American citizens became an okay thing to do,
when a culture of corruption was allowed to flourish at home,
when congressional oversight was abandoned,
when doing the same failed thing over and over without success became the plan,
when our war dead became something to hide in shame,
when the injured military and their families were treated without proper care or respect,
when terrorism was allowed to grow world wide while claiming success,
when fear became a weapon of propaganda against the American people,
when failure became always someone else’s fault,and when lies and propaganda became an acceptable substitute for truth when dealing with the public,
when obsene debt, weak dollar, $100+ a barrel of oil, inflation and recession have appeared.
For these reasons and many more Iraq has become the volatile mess it now is.
For these reasons and many more impeachment is well deserved for the Bush/Cheney cabal.
For these reasons and many more McCain does not deserve the presidency.

GetReal;
You should change your screen name
to Get A Clue!
The U.S. economy was great under
Ronald Reagan. He had to clean up the
economic and foreign policy mess
that incompetent and worst president in
U.S. History Jimmy Carter left him!

Disparaged
you will also be humiliated in Denver Hillary is still th best candidate and either way … Obamas political career will be put to bed by november! you can take that any way you like!

Troll alert!

Obamanites, I encourage all of you to stop the back and forth with the Hillary supporters. Those who spew hate never intended to vote for Obama anyway. Facts are the facts, we ran a great primary campaign and outplayed the incumbent. Now its time to focus on Mcsame (McCain). Spend your energy putting out the facts on this guy and bring new members into the fold. We have a good base but need a good portion of the 120 million voters come November to win. Focus on how we can create a strong general campaign and let the GOP Bots and staunch Hillary supporters do their thing. We cannot afford to lose focus.

I support a 3-way voting opportunity… the Democrats put up their 2 best and Republicans will put up their winner. I love it!

Oh yeah the inexperienced Obama who would meet with the president of Iran with no pre-conditions, now Iran’s president claims that the countdown to wipe off Israel out of the map has begun. Yeah and some of us are stupid enough to put such a man in the White House. Dream on Obama, maybe u could be president in your make believe world, not the real world.

Does any of you Hillary supports even have an idea of what McCain in office will do to this country? In 8 years the Bush Admin has done to this country and you want to spite Obama and vote for McCain. Can you and this country afford to keep these lousy policies up for another 4 years. Hope you all can afford it and I would seriously think about this if you have kids turning legal age,when this waco Republican tries to insert the draft again, are you ready to sacrifice your kids and loved ones.We need change and it wasn’t with McCain and Hillary ruined her own chances by lying from the start. She should now show some class and back out and stand behind Obama for the good of this country…

Julia..
You baffle me..The DNC didn’t steal any votes from Hillary. It was an illegal election and she shouldn’t of been on the ballot anyway.The state od MI came up with their own proposal after considering all factors and it actually gave Hillary a 10 point lead which Obama graciously let her have.
As far as you “protest” goes just goes to show how you and your kind are nothing but spiteful and vindictive. You are as delusional as your candidate if you think ALL Hillary supporters are going to vote Republican.
You say the Democratic party is just “yours”…huh?????? You are NO Democrat if you vote for McCain! Your conduct is pathetic and irrational.
Anyway..it is YOUR candidate that attempted election fraud by signing off MI and FL and then keeping her name on the ballot in MI.

Democracy prevailed this past Saturday and now it’s time to unite behind the nominee. Gas at $4/gal and rising does not appeal to me. Nor does it sit well with me that young men and women have been forced to give the ultimate sacrafice in the name of W. Let’s move beyond the partisanship and embrace the goal of getting this administration out of Washington.
When the light is cast upon McC it casts a shadow of George Bush.

Brilliant Di! You’ve said it all!
I hope Sen Clinton does not concede and fights on…but if she doesn’t win, I think we should honor her by uniting.
Good luck Sen.Clinton.