Clinton Won South Dakota?

Not that it makes any difference at this point, but a little perspective here:
- Clinton did beat Obama 2 to 1 in Puerto Rico, but fewer than 375,000 people voted.
- Look at the actual votes in SD and MT. She won in SD by about 10,500 votes ouf fewer than 100,000 cast. He won in MT by about 25,000 votes out of only 175,000 cast.
Yes, he ran out the clock, and he probably should have tried to keep her margins down in WV and KY. But overall, his campaign stands out as a model of strategy, management and discipline.

Offical number DNC:
Popular Vote
Obama 17,389,253
Clinton 17,364,667
Thats without caucus states !
with
Obama 17,745,430
Hillary 17,616,750
Offical number DNC:
Popular Vote
Obama 17,389,253
Clinton 17,364,667
Thats without caucus states !
with
Obama 17,745,430
Hillary 17,616,750
Obama won the most states:
Obama won 34-20
He will be the POTUS
He won fair and sqaure !
Barack obama 18,067,978
Hillary Clinton 18,013,981
BBC unbiased to any side !
The only thing that matters:
Barack Obama 2136.5
Hillary Clinton 1915.5

The bottom line is she LOST and I could not be happier.As she praised herself aginand again last night she lied she DID NOT win the popular vote someone should have helped her pat her back she almost broke her arm doing it.If she thinks she is getting vee p- think again, give her something in Iran and hope she is attack by sniper fire.Even the speakers lalst night could not believe her speech they were satunned .She has come to a breaking point that her name is mud.

vote for mccain lol
just because your person lost
your just as juvenile as she is… what happened last night is that she was left standing there
obama holds all the cards… she can claim she does but this is the thing
if she wants to be VP, not conceding and not being gracious, and not congratulating him on getting the number of delegates was a grave mistake on her part…
one in a long line of mistakes
it doesnt matter waht she does, even if you count michigan and florida in full, he goes over the 2210 number as well
ITS OVER
and what a speech he gave
contrast that with mccains… i wonder how you could even vote for that freak

He racked up delagates in caucuses were his people strong-armed normal people with force.
A lot of his caucus people were bused in from different states with the express purpose of overwhelming the political workers at each caucuses.
So what we have here ladies and gentlemen is a losing combination for democrat president.
Because I dont know of any states in the GE that run caucuses for president.

I will not vote for Sen.Obama without
Sen. Clinton on the ticket. McCain will win the election without Clinton.

Dear fellow democrats who voted for Hillay, stay calm. don’t get intimidated. don’t buy the b.s about “party unity”. What party? what unity?
If Hillary is not the nominee, contribute your time and money and your precious voe to ensure McCain is our next president.
Country is more important than party and it is your patriotic duty to defeat Obama.

Let’s not forget that the difference is only 10 thousand votes in South Dakota.
Montana was the bigger win the night.
And the nomination was the major and superior one.

Newly Independent, I totally agree. I have been a democrat and support democratic issues. I have been horrified how the new democrats are behaving. There is so much treachery and unfairness that it feels better to have 4 more years of GWB to Obama. Not Cheney or Cheney’s relative Obama. Therefore, I sincerely believe that McCain is a much better candidate to support. He is moderate and works hard for what is fair and respects people. I could never support an empty suit like Obama and writing in Hillary means that I am throwing my vote away in support of Obama. Therefore my vote is definately for McCain. I am proud of what Hillary has acheived and will support all her endeavers. This november, my support goes to McCain because the democrats do not deserve it.

I was so happy that Hillary did not concede and there was so much pressure for her to do so. I admire her strength and fortitude and am hoping that she will stay on through to the convention. Obama does not have the magic number with pledged delegates and therefore he has not won the nomination. The media can repeat this over and over but these are nothin but spins.

Clinton and Obama are not alike in their policies. This is another empty spin to sell Obama. Obama tries to copy Clinton when it suits him. Clinton is actually a lot closer to the way the moderate McCain has voted in the past. Both McCain and Clinton are known to reach across the aisle and make compromises. Obama is the most liberal candidate of all. Please do not sell lies to get votes.

Obama was “given” votes. NOBODY in Michigan voted for him.

Ellie, you obviously are not a regular reader of this blog. I am a staunch conservative Republican who is supporting Sen. McCain (although he wasn’t my first choice — that was Dr. Condoleezza Rice). My point was that with everything that Sen. Obama has going for him, this is going to be a really challenging, but interesting, general election.

Yes, she did. What happened to the VASTLY SUPERIOR, STRONGER candidate? Between the two states, he made a net gain of ONE PLEDGED DELEGATE. Please note that there are now 825 SUPERDELEGATES to vote in Denver, up from 795, thanks to the Florida Michigan debacle, and rest assured that that issue will be revisited in Denver.

jmc663:
Bask all you want. BO isn’t the nominee. Facts are funny things, aren’t they?

Clinton’s win in South Dakota just shows how much campaigning matters. Obama did the what he needed to and spent the last several weeks focused on the general election. Meanwhile, Clinton campaigned vigorously, and mostly uncontested, in states like South Dakota and Puerto Rico. She earned her wins and the respect for them, but it doesn’t speak to anything other then her ability to campaign. Had she shown that kind of ability at the beginning of the race, instead of the last third of it, she likely would have been the nominee. However, Obama ran a much better campaign over the long haul. That’s why Obama is the nominee, and why he’s the stronger candidate against John McCain.

Hillary would never win in the GE. Her negatives are way to high.

“If you say that 2118 is the number required and say that BO got 2156, he has more than required.” He has reached this number but counting the SD’s and not just pledged delegates. That is why this idea that he is the nominee is so laughable. Counting the votes of people who have a reputation of switching sides. The SD votes do not count until the nomination.

I have to go out for a while, but in the mean time, perhaps the more intelligent people here would like to peruse the following analysis, for which I alone am responsible:
Total vote = 33,808,579 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total vote = 34,046,747 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Clinton = 17,090,391 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Obama = 16,956,356 (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Diff. = +134,035 (Clinton) (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Pct. = +0.4 (Clinton) (with Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Clinton = 17,090,391 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Obama = 16,718,188 (without Mich. “UNCOMMITTED”)
Total Diff. = +372,203 (Clinton)
Total Pct. = +1.1009% (Clinton)
The above number are the actual vote totals from the NY Times web site, and compiled on my spreadsheet. The are up-to-date through 12:00 PM, June 4, 2008. Any errors are my own, and it would be appreciated if they would be pointed out, with support.
Further:
Total Clinton Electoral Votes = 311
Total Obama Electoral Votes = 227
Total Electoral Votes needed to win the General Election = 270
Total Obama PLEDGED DELEGATES = 1764 (includes Projected)
Total Clinton PLEDGED DELEGATES = 1640 (includes Projected)
Diff. Between candidates = 124
“Magic Number” for Nomination = 2118
Obama needs for Nomination = 354
Clinton needs for Nomination = 478
Total number of SUPERDELEGATES = 825 {vote at Convention ONLY)
Senator Obama, contrary to popular opinion has not won anything at this point, other than 1,764 PLEDGED DELEGATES, and since 2,118 are now needed for the Nomination, he is NOT the nominee in any shape or form. SUPERDELEGATES, and even PLEDGED DELEGATES, can change their minds at any time, and even the PLEDGED DELEGATES are not REQUIRED to vote for the specific candidate to whom they are pledged.
P.S.- I apologize in advance if the formatting doesn’t hold.

Interesting that HRC supporter Yavo is uncapable of comprehending the rules that are in place that determines the Democratic nominee. Obviously, the Clinton campaign did not understand the simplistic formula of acquiring more delegates than their opponent. Unfortunately, Al Gore learned this lesson in the General Election in 2004.

Cindy…I contributed to McCain yesterday and will be working for him 5 days a week come September. IF NOT HILLARY WORK YOUR A– OFF TO ELECT SEN. McCAIN INTO THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN OUR COUNTRY!!! HILLARY 2012, McCAIN 2008

Over 17 million votes – so no matter if you include/exclude FL or MI, she ends either slightly ahead or slightly behind Obama. And she outlasted every one of her critics.
She has EARNED the VP slot – Obama limped and barely made it across the finish line. He cannot win without her supporters. And we will abandon him in droves if she is not on the ticket in November.
Not a threat – a promise!

Repost:
When you consider many of the factors, on the surface this would appear to be a cakewalk to the White House for Sen. Obama. First consider where the country is right now. We are in the middle of a very unpopular war in Iraq. The War on Terror is not taken seriously by the average American. Most Americans perceive our economy is in the dumpster (although it really is just a bump in the road — the unemployment rate is still at 5.0%, a good number historically). The housing market crisis! The sub-prime mortgage fiasco! Etc.
And then we have the candidates! On the one hand we have Sen. Obama who is extremely charismatic. Just an incredible speaker! Young! Attractive! Full of energy! Rock-star quality! His message is Hope and Change; bring the troops home within six months from this “unneccessary” war in Iraq; and let’s talk with the enemy; tax the wealthy and implement universal health care for everyone; and the federal government is the answer to everyone’s problems.
And on the other hand we have Sen. McCain who is a very boring speaker (he had a difficult time reading last night’s speech off the tele-prompter). He is NOT young! He may have some pep, but he is not “full of energy.” His message is staying in Iraq until we defeat the enemy; letting the free market settle the housing market crisis; leaving our health care system in the hands of the people and their private health care insurers; a smaller federal government; and having the people take more responsibility for their own lives.
Yet, according to Real Clear Politics Sen. Obama is currently leading Sen. McCain by 2.2%
It is going to be an interesting general election!