Generation J
Christian Broadcasting Network’s David Brody broke the story of Sen. Barack Obama’s new program, the "Joshua Generation Project," to woo younger Catholics and Evangelicals.
"The Joshua Generation project will be the Obama campaign’s outreach to young people of faith," an Obama source told Brody. "There’s unprecedented energy and excitement for Obama among young evangelicals and Catholics. The Joshua Generation project will tap into that excitement and provide young people of faith opportunities to stand up for their values and move the campaign forward."
But Roll Call reports today that the Home School Legal Defense Association might sue Obama for trademark infringement, since its "Generation Joshua" group has been established since 2003.
“This is an improper invasion of our trademark and we’ve retained legal counsel to notify the Obama campaign to stop this,” HSLDA’s co-founder, chairman, and general counsel, Michael Farris, told Roll Call. Farris also wrote a 2005 book called, “The Joshua Generation: Restoring the Heritage of Christian Leadership.”
Obama cited Joshua in his speech commemorating the Bloody Sunday March, in Selma, Ala., in March 2007, saying, "I thank the Moses generation; but we’ve got to remember, now, that Joshua still had a job to do. As great as Moses was, despite all that he did, leading a people out of bondage, he didn’t cross over the river to see the Promised Land. God told him your job is done. You’ll see it. You’ll be at the mountain top and you can see what I’ve promised. What I’ve promised to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. You will see that I’ve fulfilled that promise but you won’t go there. We’re going to leave it to the Joshua generation to make sure it happens."
It’s kind of surprising that Farris is talking about a lawsuit on this, since a quick Google search indicates that the idea is hardly original. There are more than a few ministries out there that include the words "Joshua" and "Generation."
There’s one in India, another in Texas, one in Los Angeles, and one in Maryland.
There’s a CD with that title, a dance company, another book by a different author, and Pastor John Hagee uses the term to describe younger worshippers at his Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, and on and on.
Is Farris going to sue all these people and organizations?
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Posted by: HP Boston | June 9, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Obama the serial plagarizer
Posted by: geevill | June 9, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
I am so excited about Barak’s move toward younger (i.e., non-Baby Boomer) generations. I could see myself as a member of the “Joshua Generation” as we are in a different era from my parents which calls for a different expression of faith. We cannot be as polarized as the Boomers are and we have to think past static either/or politics toward a more both/and dialogue.
Posted by: Sam Brannon | June 9, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
I’m disappointed that Obama is courting the evangelicals, especially with his constitutional law background. Historically and recently, religion and the state have never mixed well.
Posted by: katrina | June 9, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
This is creepy. Is he really doing this? Egads! And Rev. Wright will help out with the sermons, I presume? Oh, goody!
Posted by: treehugger08 | June 9, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
I am not concerned about copy write enfringement…that’s for others to worry about.
I am concerned about Obama’s speech on the Joshua generation where he basically tells Black civil rights leaders to get out of the way and let him roll…and the continued perversion and mixing of church and state that the Obama campaign has gotten from the Bush campaign. Has Obama relplaced Pfleger yet as head of this effort? Do Americans even know that the white racist priest Pfleger and the Black racist minister Wright were the architects of this program? Has the media even let them in on the fact that these 2 were major parts of the Obama campaign?
Posted by: Jackie | June 9, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
TJ…I hope you aren’t Gay or Catholic because McCain has got it in for you.
Posted by: telltruth | June 9, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Well, we know Barky was a late convert to “Christianity”, but you gotta wonder whether he’s even READ the Book of Joshua — which of course is in the OLD Testament — which has to do with the conquest of the mideast, and the divvying up of the land.
With projects like this, the former Democrats kind of DESERVE the drubbing they’re gonna get.
Posted by: Belle Starr | June 9, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Call it what you want “The Joshua Generation,” or “Obama Youth!” These kind of terms mixed with politics just hit a nerve. It would have been one thing if Huckabee had started this, at least we know he is really a religious man. But somehow this just doesn’t quite match what we know about Sen. Obama and those he has hung out with. This is getting scarier and scarier. Anything for a vote I guess.
Posted by: dwc | June 9, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Jackie, Jackie, Jackie….
Is everyone a racist to you?
You said you’re white, middle aged, and college educated….I’m having a little difficulty with that based on the type questions you keep putting forth…
Why does it sound like you’re trying to stir up something that is probably not even there? So here are my own set of questions…
Is there something now wrong with people of faith? Are they not permitted involvement in politics?
What is wrong with telling the old baby boomers to get out of the way?
And why do you think your questions are somehow new? Do you think Obama and all his campaign staff are stupid? Didn’t think of these things, the right questions to ask? Perversion?
And look at TJ’s post….fearmongering at its finest.
So this is how you all plan to beat Obama in the fall, huh…with fear.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | June 9, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Never, Never thought I would agree with someone named treehugger, but
this is really creepy
Posted by: smith | June 9, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
OLYMPIA — A former Army Muslim chaplain at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, who was cleared of spy accusations is now a Democratic National Convention delegate pledged to Sen. Barack Obama.
Posted by: geevil | June 9, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
@sam:
If you’ve chosen a label to describe yourself, you already are polarized and you described it:
“We cannot be as polarized as the Boomers are…”
That is how it begins, Sam: names and labels. You took the bait and now you’re on the line and fishing for others.
Compliments on signing your own name though. The URL is blocked, however.
Posted by: len | June 9, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
lol ok, I’m out…this is definitely republican fearmongering day.
Oh, and just so you can see how the world sees us and what THEY hope for, from this racist, fearmongering country…lol go mccain.
Here’s a post from Andrew Sullivan….
A poll in late May of five major countries — Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Russia — showed Sen. Obama getting 52% support, compared with 15% for Sen. McCain. In France, 65% favor Sen. Obama, compared with 8% for Sen. McCain, according to the poll for the United Kingdom’s Daily Telegraph newspaper. Another poll published online Saturday in Belgium’s Le Soir newspaper showed Belgians prefer Sen. Obama over Sen. McCain 74% to 12%.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | June 9, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
You hear that? Change is in the air, folks. Obama’s gonna forge an entirely new politics in this country. As a graduate of Wheaton College, I proudly support this guy as the TRUE choice for evangelicals.
Posted by: swoosh | June 9, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
geevil writes:
Barack Obama: More Like King Herod Than Joshua
Everyone should read this article. “I have no doubt”, writes Glen Ford, “that a vast majority of Black people will go with the Obama flow. They don’t want to hear about the substance of his corporate politics; they would rather wish upon a star, and imagine that King Herod is really Joshua. It ain’t necessarily so. In fact, it’s a lie.”
And a remedial read of the Book of Joshua wouldn’t be a bad idea, either.
The Democrats don’t HAVE to nominate this fake, you know (just as the Republicans don’t have to nominate McCain*). The Democrats can still go with John Edwards.
* Don’t miss “The Wife John McCain Left Behind”, by Sharon Churcher, Daily Mail:
Posted by: Belle Starr | June 9, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
The comments from geevil, HP Boston and belle starr and the rest of the people still trashing obama on here…are either just plain crazy, sad republicans that can’t face that they are on an overwhelmingly sinking ship…
or they just don’t know another human beign outside of the blogs they type on.
No matter what spin the republicans and the old boys club of washington politics puts on this (because they are all panicked they are going to lose the cushy little set-up they have going in washington)
the real numbers have shown for a long time what is almost inevitable… time to throw the bums and their standards out.
In screaming at this new generation and the movement to save the damage that has been done by these fat lazy rats… and about “mcCain winning”
You all are like the little rat that keeps running up to the lion and kicking him saying you are going to take him down……that the lion is a weakling and the lion just flicks yuo away with a flick of the finger.
There is a new America coming…the evolution of a great country.
and I for one am REALLY proud again that I am part of the forefathers great experiment.
and it probably wouldn’t be so sweet if it wasn’t for all of you being part of the country…this country succeeds even with people like you.
Posted by: dl | June 9, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
What does it say about Obama that he has to keep targeting our youth in order to have a chance of winning?
Posted by: HoosierSue | June 9, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
dl writes:
“. . . the real numbers have shown for a long time what is almost inevitable… time to throw the bums and their standards out.”
Some made-up Hawaiian handled by David Axelrod, John Kerry, and Tom Daschle — who’s never won a contested election or pulled off ANY legislative accomplishment — is going to do that?
I sure doubt it, no matter how fetching his birthday suit. And ad hominem attacks on other posters do nothing to enhance your position.
Posted by: Belle Starr | June 9, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Louis Farrakhan has referred to Obama as “our Joshua” who will take back the “promised land” from the Israelis. More undercover anti-semitism coming from the Obama campaign. Why do think the TUCC magazine is called “Trumpet”? Because Joshua blows the trumpet to tear down the walls. Does Obama really believe he is “Joshua”? This is getting scary.
Posted by: calli | June 9, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Louis Farrakhan and Reverend Wright have referred to Obama as “our Joshua”, the great leader who will redraw the map of the middle east minus the State of Israel. More anti-semitism from the Obama campaign. The name of the TUCC magazine is “Trumpet”, in honor of Joshua blowing the trumpet and tearing down the walls of Jericho for the chosen ones. Does Obama really think he is Joshua or the chosen one? This is getting scary.
Posted by: calli | June 9, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
creepy doesnt even begin to describe this
i do not want this religion in my politics
Posted by: al | June 9, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Obama is a blank slate and voters hungry for change will be drawn to him because he has no real policies or beliefs. Jews think he’s pro-Israel. Evangelicals and Catholics think he is a deep person of faith.
Ultimately he is a politician with no background or any accomplishments of note to define him.
Read over his speeches… soaring rhetoric, high hope, messianic images… but no substance. You feel good about yourself afterwards but don’t know why… that’s scary!
Posted by: smartprimate | June 9, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
I’ve often wondered how Christians can be Republicans. Seems to me like Jesus would have been a Democrat. Standing up for the unpopular, feeding the poor, throwing the moneychangers out of the temple, putting the needs of others above his own… these just don’t jive with the Republican base for me. They seem to ostracize anyone who dares to be different, want the poor to help themselves, claim that Jesus wants them to have riches and lie just to bring others down.
Posted by: louielouie | June 9, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
To Hillary Supporters:
The time is here, the media and Democratic Party Bosses have picked the candidate they want. It is now time for the people to pick to the candidate they want. You can show your support and the people’s choice by:
- E-mail the super delegates asking them to support Hillary at the Democratic Convention
http://www.lobbydelegates.com/
- We must organize a protest for the Denver Convention; in numbers we are strong.
- Send e-mails to Howard Dean telling we support Hillary and we will NOT support
Obama. That McCain will get our votes and we are disgusted with the Democratic
Party. Howard Dean’s e-mail: howarddean@dnc.org
- Protest Obama’s campaigns.
Hillary Suspended her campaign which means she keeps her pledged delegates. Given enough opposition by the people perhaps we the people still can choice our candidate by acting on the above. It is important that we unite and show our strength as the people’s voice.
Consider Hillary Support sites such as:
http://blog.pumapac.org/
http://www.hcsfjm.com/index.html
Posted by: Bill | June 9, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Bill (Clinton?), did you not listen to Hillary’s speech? Vote for McCain if you must (though if you supported Hillary’s poicies, it is a foolish stance), but shouldn’t you follow her gracious lead and advice? How do you think she will feel about you protesting at Obama appearances. She is out of the race. It is over. You are fighting for nothing. You are protesting on behalf of someone who does not want you to.
Posted by: louielouie | June 9, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Read over his speeches… soaring rhetoric, high hope, messianic images… but no substance.
I’m with poster “al” on this one. And not only should religion NOT be mixed up with politics, according to the Constitution, but the Democrats have no business running a “post-partisan” fake as a candidate for Messiah, just because they’re too chickenbleep to buck the corporate money machine.
I voted in two primaries for Jesse Jackson, and may vote for some local Democrats in the future — but I won’t be voting for THIS person.
And maybe NObody will: it’s a long time till the end of August. And when the shoes finish dropping on Michelle Obama’s “get whitey” speech (at an event with MRS. Farrakhan), the death of Donald Young, etc., Obama may NOT become the Democratic Party nominee.
Posted by: Belle Starr | June 9, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
“I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”
Obama has a serious mental illness with this Messiah complex. These are the rantings of a lunatic cult leader.
Posted by: geevill | June 9, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
geevil quotes Obama:
“I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”
geevil, if Barky really SAID that, he really MIGHT be a lunatic — kind of a taller, richer Father Divine (who also had a lot of white, as well as black, followers).
If he’s “absolutely certain” of such things as sea levels and planet “healing”, why do you suppose he — ONLY he, among all the candidates — “repeatedly refused to provide any responses to citizens on the issues” at Project Vote Smart?
Posted by: Belle Starr | June 9, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Michael Farris is a pretty hard core GOP operative, I believe. Wasn’t he the Republican candidate for Lt.-Gov in Virginia a few years ago – seen as a candidate of the hard right of the Virginia rep. party. So I suspect the answer to Jack’s question is – of course he will sue.
Posted by: Dave | June 9, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
So many Obama supporters complain that their candidate is being trashed. No one but Obama has trashed him. He has done it all on his own. Bloggers just tell the truth sometimes. Truths that Obama supporters do not want to hear or read.
And yes, he did sat in a church for 20 years that believed hate mongering and racism was good. Sometime truth hurts.
Posted by: Mary | June 9, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
LA in Indiana
Is there something now wrong with people of faith? Are they not permitted involvement in politics
People of faith are 100% entitled to be involved in politics. I just don’t care for the recent trend in Bush’s administration to make religion or certain faiths a political action committee. and because it was successful for Bush Obama is continuing the trend.
The only reason we don’t have gay marriage and other civil rights in this country is because it has been lobbied against by churches.
What is wrong with telling the old baby boomers to get out of the way?
I believe that telling people that are a certain age to leave the democratic process is in direct odds with the intent of that process. And Obama’s treatment of Black civil rights activist shows a true lack of graditude for their contributions…..especially since he has used them shamelessly (even taking credit for their legislation in Chicago) to get where he is. Please note that his much touted “anti-war speech was only heard by a few people….Jessie Jackson was the speaker that day….you will find it (with applause inserted) on Obama’s webpage where he has rewritten and punched it up.
And why do you think your questions are somehow new? Do you think Obama and all his campaign staff are stupid? Didn’t think of these things, the right questions to ask? Perversion?
These are not new questions….Obama just got such a free ride from the press he may be surprised that people are still asking!
The racism I see in Wright, Farrakan, and Pfleger is well documented by their public writings and public statements over the years.
I do not believe Obama is a racist….I do believe he has a high tolerance for hate talk and racism…..unless it is Imus doing the talking.
The fact remains and I can restate it ,,,,he sat in his church for 20 years and listened without standing up to it. Most people would not have stayed after the first time they heard it.I believe we have a responsibility to stand up to this stuff whether it be directed to Blacks or Whites…Obama does not. I know by his actions or lack of action in this regard.
Posted by: Jackie | June 9, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
dl
You may be witnessing people embracing McCain as their new candidate….
I was a Hillary supporter, but I am feeling like my party has left me….My research into Obama continues…along with my looking into McCains policies…forgive me if I don’t take Obama’s word for what they are…
I haven’t drank the koolaid and I’m not sure I ever will.
Posted by: Jackie | June 9, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Why is it called “reaching out” when a Dem goes all religious, and “pandering” when a Republican does the same thing?
The press has a clear double standard.
Posted by: Jerry | June 9, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Katrina … Barack Obama doesn’t care for evangelicals … just like he doesn’t care about African Americans — just ask those people without heat in the Rezko owned slums in Obama’s district … Obama just wants their VOTES … he’s shameless. All of the things he said in San Francisco about clinging to guns, bibles, and being anti-immigration? Forgetaboutit. Overblown. Takenoutofcontext.
Posted by: beebop | June 9, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
McCain has the audacity to characterize his position as “substance?” What a deceiver. What “substance?” First he voted against tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans, and now he is for making them permanent. First he was against torture, and now he votes for bills sanctioning torture. First he was against wire tapping the phones of Americans as prohibited by FISA laws, and now he is voting for giving the telecoms who broke FISA laws immunity. McCain’s “substance” is following Bush in all his criminal activity. Heaven help us if this McCain thug deceives his way into the White House. Hopefully Americans have wised up enough after Bush to give Obama a landslide victory.
Posted by: Asies | June 9, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
More ABCNEWS garbage – look at this photo! Is this supposed to make BO look like a saint??? Good grief.
As a matter of fact, BO was part of a United Church of Christ church, which isn’t even Christian. In case you didn’t know, they don’t even believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God. They don’t even believe the New Testament is factual!! They repeatedly taught this on Public Radio, when interviewed for a Christmas message. You want the tape? Just ask…I still have it.
And now the goofballs at ABCNEWS are going to cram BO down your throat. It’s sickening.
Posted by: slakin | June 9, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Is that a halo around Obama’s head? The media really is helping to create a Messiah mentality.
Posted by: Robin | June 9, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Oh my God. This is really rich! Obama sits the the congregation of Rev. Wright for 20 years and pretends he didn’t know what the guy was all about. Now, a known candidate who supports ABORTION, is courting the religious of our society. Last time I checked, Catholics don’t believe in abortion, nor to evangelicals. This takes the take.
Posted by: Lisa Again | June 9, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Sorry about the typos in my last post, but I just had to get back on board and say: Obama is not different than all the other opportunists out there. Any young Catholic or Evangelist that falls for his silver-tongue-no-substance line is too emotionally mature to cast a vote, but hey, you’re 18 and the world is yours, right? Wonder how your priests and pastors will be voting? Shouldn’t you check with them first?
Exercise the ability to form an independent thought.
Posted by: Lisa Again | June 9, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Obama is so confident of fooling the younger generation – or does he already know they are the easiest of the block that can be fooled?
Do not know – but we shall see.
You have to give this guy for this one. This ultra modern confidence tells the tale of USA of 21st century.
Posted by: Namrep | June 9, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Was Joshua a converted Christian from Muslim?
Posted by: Mike | June 9, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Well McCain sure has done his share of religious pandering too. But yeah it sucks, I thought he was the thinking man’s candidate.. well you do what you gotta do- Hillary taught him well.
Posted by: LAsux | June 9, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
Can’t say I like the haloed effect in the picture, which is placed in a very visible website position. But the photograph manipulation of saintliness for a political figure isn’t new. Back in ’03, there were some photos of George W. that played up the halo effect. Rumor had it at the time that Rove was behind it.
It just must be a slow news afternoon to feature this story again and up front, of all places!
Posted by: katrina | June 9, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
This is a war between a War Hero and a Religious Deserter.
Posted by: Mike | June 9, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Obama can only win the youth because the older voters know better.
Posted by: Rick from Pa | June 9, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Yeah, vote McCain! We don’t need no ivy league elitists running this fine country. We need to stand proud as a country and not go in for that Euro-sissie stuff like universal health care.
Posted by: Hank | June 9, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
Isn’t it GREAT to see an average American really make it big. Obama was raised by his single-mother with the help of his grandparents. He worked Hard, got a good education, and turned down large sums of money to go to work for the average American. What a great story. He raised his large sums of money for his campaign, not thru big corporate donors like many others, but thru average Americans giving $10 or $20 at a time. I suspect he is going to go down in history as one of the great presidents of all time. Obama will be Great in 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | June 9, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Hank, Rick from Pa and Mike…All of your comments are absolutely great and so right!!!
Posted by: carolyn | June 9, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Mike asked if Joshua was Christian converted from a muslim-The answer is no. But you can become a Chistian with no religous back ground or any other background. You can even be a racist and become a Christian. Jesus says whosoever will let him come-even you Mike.
Posted by: lowes4321 | June 9, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
SM writes:
“McCain is the lesser evil…”
Or at least the shorter . . .
Posted by: Belle Starr | June 9, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
God help us if Obama becomes president
Posted by: Irishrose | June 9, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Who will Obama tax if he continues to support the murder of our coming generations?
He will adopt whatever message makes him more popular. Well this frustrated small towner is going to find my comfort in my religion. I will not leave my faith just because it is unpopular. Wright was wrong – but to leave your church of 20 years shows a lack of commitment, except to your own goals.
Posted by: Andy | June 9, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
lowes43211 writes:
“Mike asked if Joshua was Christian converted from a muslim-The answer is no. But you can become a Chistian with no religous back ground or any other background.”
Er, excuse me: Joshua was a JEW. There were NO “Christians” in the time of Joshua. (And the Jews are a little fussier about letting people in. You could look it up … )
Posted by: Belle Starr | June 9, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
Go McCain. The youth of the country have allot to learn. They have no idea what is going to happen with this guy in the drivers seat. No way…no how would I ever ever vote for this guy. ABC you guys need to get the facts and tell the public about the real Obama and stop making him out like he is the best thing that has happen to this country. He has never fought to protect this country. He does not understand what is happen to the middle class right now and does not care. All I hear him talk about is everyone else. Nothing about his plans for the people of this country. Change by this guy will be the worst thing to happen. I will take as many people as I can over to McCain. DNC lost my vote.
Posted by: Barb | June 9, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
For those that say they will go to the convention as cause a disturbance -I hope they have the police vans ready for all of you to go to jail. You are the reason the youth are not looking at you as an example -they have more sense than you so called older generation. Scorned /bitter/and angry. Good example.
Posted by: lowes4321 | June 9, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
I actually don’t care if the candidate is good talker or whatever.
I only need he will keep all his promises when he becomes the president.
If you want a good speaker you can choose any good preacher.
Posted by: catleya | June 9, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
I know our savior the messiah has come to free us all from the American life style and “change” our government by adding more government and more taxes, and more control. Isn’t his hallo just a bit heavy by now. Hasn’t anyone ever seen the movie “Elmer Gantry” where Burt Lancaster played the roll of the enthusiastic gospel minister on fire to convert people through “positive” thinking—he was a con artist! I give you Barack Obama!
Posted by: Anne | June 9, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
The Republican operatives are in this room posting as Hillary supporters and it’s kind of pathetic, juvenile and desperate. The GOP has a candidate that is running from one of the strongest conservatives-[George Bush] since Ronald Reagan. McCain is [not a true conservative] by any stretch of the imagination. He can’t have his cake and eat it too. George Bush carried the party line brilliantly and McCain fumbles to distance himself from all things conservative. Seems as though his campaign is trying to distance their candidate from the religious movement that carried the party so strongly for the past 8 years. Is John McCain a true conservative? The GOP talking heads only talk about his status as an elder statesman in the party, war hero status and his maverick status in the party. Does that make John McCain a true conservative? He courts the religious leaders, i.e. John Hagee and then distances himself from him. Is John McCain a true conservative? He wants the help of George Bush branding for monetary purposes, but will not be seen with him in public for fear of being associated with Bush’s [perceived] failed policies. Is John McCain a true conservative? So you conservative operatives in this room trying to divide the Democrats by positing here, nice try. Your posts and rants give you away.
Posted by: dee | June 9, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Let me get this straight. Obama is for abortion, gay marriage, dumps his church for political reasons AND HE WANTS THE EVANGELICAL VOTE?
Not even the Devil could pull off a con job like this!
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 9, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
Is John McCain really a true conservative? I don’t think so! he is running from all things conservative trying to be a maveick among true conservatism policies. If elected, he will stack the court with justices that will overturn [Roe vs. Wade] and we all know that. He will also continue for many years fighting the wrong war in Iraq, running up the deficit and costing more American lives. We Independents and Democrats will not allow that to happen to this country for another 4 years. NO WAY! Not on our watch…
Posted by: leo | June 9, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
Any idiot voting for McCain I hope at least have the decency to go straight down to the Army recruiter tomorrow and sign up. Put your money where you’re big mouths are. I’m tired of everyone else having to bail you chicken hawks out. Do something for your country for a change instead of take, take, take!
Posted by: CMSgt Gary Preston | June 9, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
—Catholics—-this is a joke right—–that picture of him— he looks like he is praying to the Blessed Virgin Mary—really he needs to get a life—-
Posted by: Jesse James | June 9, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Danny writes:
“The picture is inappropriate.”
Jesse James writes:
“this is a joke right—–that picture of him— he looks like he is praying to the Blessed Virgin Mary—”
Uh, the only picture visible HERE is of Mr. Tapper, in an entirely-appropriate blue shirt and grey jacket. He does not appear — both eyes are open, for example — to be praying. (I do have an ad blocker. Is the picture in the right column? If so, the ad-blocker thinks it’s an ad … If it IS an ad, it’d be interesting, maybe, to know just WHOSE ad it is.)
Posted by: Belle Starr | June 9, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
I would say wrong. God has been holding this country together inspite of bad decisions. Now as we abandon him, committing ourselves to doing wrong, lets see how long he holds the country together….
Posted by: Gregg | June 9, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
My last post did not appear. Try again since we still have Free Speech. This nearly 68 year old white LOL speaks for herself so kindly exclude me from any generalizations.
Obama was elected three times to the Illinois State Legislature so he certainly does have elected experience before winning a seat in the US Senate.
Joshua was a Jew or Hebrew as known then. I know Black choirs sing a hymn about the Walls of Jerico.
Hillary needs about $30 million to pay off her debts and the DNC needs about #120 million for the Convention. Therefore, ethically and morally speaking, Hillary supporters must pay for their demands. No using anybody else’s money like Obama campaign funds for a free ride. The total you need is about $150 million by August. Then you need to think about GE monies. For those of you who are going to support McCain, please be sure to make a final contribution to Hillary to show your appreciation for her efforts.
I was very much around for the Vietnam War and when McCain came back to the States from imprisonment in Vietnam. His first wife who had been in a major car accident and still in physical therapy was very angry and bitter for a long time at pretty much being dumped. And, I refuse to support a man who called his 2nd wife the names he did in public.
I have watched his waffling when it suits him over the past 30 years, but 95% of the time he has supported Bush in this last Presidency. These days just about every spoken word is picked up and filed on audio, digital or whatever, so very easy to piece together McCain’s shifts on the very same issues within a fairly short time period.
Of course, as situations change, as in Iran, a politician needs to adjust to them. Anybody notice that there is a new overwhelmingly elected Speaker of Parliament in Iran who is the major opposition to the current President who must run again in August 2009? The real power, the Ayatollah and the Supreme Council must have approved. There may be power shifts going on that need watching without any interference from us.
I really do read more than the headlines and on many sites to stay informed instead of parroting phrases coined by others.
Yes, in my late teens I spent much of three years in the mid-East due to my English father being sent there – briefly in Egypt, Iran, Iraq and primarily in West Pakistan as it was then know. East Pakistan is now Bangladesh. We were not in the Halls of Power or with VIP’s. Instead we met and mingled with regular people. Yes, things have changed since then but not necessarily for the better! And the basic premises of the different sects and geo-politcal boundaries have intensified. McCain does not have a clue about that part of the world. A visit to the Green Zone surrounded by security did not give him any real on-the-ground knowledge.
Posted by: KiwiTricia | June 9, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
I would like to know where McCain goes to Church, his Church’s background, and why he “dissed” Hagee and Parsley soo quick…
Posted by: Levi | June 9, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
I am a Catholic and Obama is very, very offensive to me. Also, I would appreciate it if he would voluntarily stay away from our young adults. He is pro-abortion and pro-gay. Neither of these messages are rooted in our Christian beliefs. If he was Catholic, he would not be able to receive communion and should be excommunicated from the church. Nobama. Enough said.
Posted by: roger king | June 9, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
Posted by pt: “He raised his large sums of money for his campaign, not thru big corporate donors like many others, but thru average Americans giving $10 or $20 at a time.”
The only factual aspect of your statement is that it further proves millions of people in this country prefer to believe in myths than to face reality.
Senator Obama was soliciting contributions from billionaire fundraisers, corporate bundlers at least a year before he launched his campaign. As of mid April, at least 50% of his campaign contributions were from corporate America. The information is readily available. See the Washington Post report of 4/13, “Obama’s Billionaire Fundraisers”.
If you have any interest in voting responsibly, I suggest you do some research rather than believing every lie that flows so eloquently from Senator Obama’s mouth.
Posted by: LC | June 9, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
Good luck with that “Joshua Generation Project,” BO. Why don’t start explaining why you hung out in a racist church for 20 years?
Posted by: Vote4Hill | June 9, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
I think the older generations are the fools. 4 trillion dollars in debt Bush for 8 years.
Posted by: CaPIcorn2 | June 9, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
“I can no more disown [Wright] than I can my white grandmother.”
==BO, in March 2008
Posted by: Vote4Hill | June 9, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Typical White Person writes:
“Let’s be clear about what Obama did, once in 2003 and twice before that. He effectively voted for infanticide.”
NOT to worry: it’s just that ambivalent-about-women (except Oprah, Caroline Kennedy, Senator McCaskill, etc.) thing.
Posted by: Belle Starr | June 9, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Actually it is the youth who will lead us into oblivion if we are not careful. I am not necessarily supportive of all that Bush has done, but realize this: without the correct moral foundation, this country can not have success. And believe me, we have seen NOTHING yet compared to how bad it can get.
Posted by: Gregg | June 9, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
Oregon University Hosts Talk by Notorious Holocaust Denier, Amid Protest. I’m surprise Oregonites would have a problem with this guy. They should invite Obama, the healer, to host the event. Jewish and Nobama.
Posted by: roger king | June 9, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
I’m still waiting for Sentor Obama to reach out to Sentor Hillary’s 18 million supporters nothing as of yet I heard for him to win them all???
Posted by: Mike | June 9, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
The thought of having to put up with another six months of this type of liberal propaganda sickens me! This article is not journalism; it’s a poor attempt to con the public into thinking that Obama already has it in the bag!
Round two has only just begun and I’m sick and tired of it already! Thanks, but no thanks–I’ll pass on the Kool-Aid. Can we vote already?
Posted by: Tired Independent | June 9, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
I wonder if Obama supporters like the Mayan Indians at all??? He has not won the latino vote not even reached out to them or the women Hillary had won.
Posted by: Mike | June 9, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
Barrack Hussein Obama had better enjoy his freedom now. When Rezko rolls, both him and Blago will be wearing prison stripes! Maybe Hillary will get a second shot?
Posted by: roger king | June 9, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
I am Catholic too. I like the Obama talk, just not the walk.
As another blogger wrote, he is more like King Herod than Joshua. Kill the babies.
And let Sodom & Gomorrah rise again. Their only sin was their inhospitality!
Let freedom from God reign! That’s Obama’s true refrain
for all the bitter people
who cling to their guns and religion instead of fighting for men’s rights to other men’s asses!
Well, when are we gonna say it like it is.
Petite Rein, age 23 and Catholic
Posted by: Petite Rein | June 9, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Not sure how someone can run for President and not explain how there going to fix things or speak of the real issues besides slamming each other on the media. Biggest joke if you ask me.
They throw stones at each other on the media,
If I created my stone I would turn Lou Dobbs into a toad or a frog
Posted by: Mike | June 9, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Here’s the thing for all of you telling anyone over a certain age to get out of the way, because the young are stepping up and taking charge. Yes its about time. But here’s the thing you don’t have a history of coming through in the end, you don’t show up to vote in Nov that is your record. Now of course you will say this time its different and you will show up in Nov. I hope truly that you do. Obama is counting on it and the more hate and natsy coments that you through out at anyone is who is not in the “right age” group and drive them away, the more he will need you.
Posted by: Bridget | June 9, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
How can Obama be so stupid as to try to win the Catholic vote when he is presumably for abortion?
Posted by: annie | June 9, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Obama better go get Harry Pottors advise
and step up and teach his supports Unity for Clintons suppports
Posted by: Mike | June 9, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Utter nonsense. The Senator can wrap his liberal, anti-marriage, anti-defense of life propoganda in any biblical figure he chooses. He is about as anti-Catholic as they come when you compare his voting record and his public stand on social issues to Catholic teaching. It is utterly foolish to think he will get the Catholic vote in November. Once his record is exposed, Catholics will clearly see that Senator McCain is the better choice.
Posted by: Burt in Texas | June 9, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
Obama not only supports abortion, but he has the support of all the for-profit abortion industry organizations that support abortion on demand at any time for any reason, paid for at taxpayer expense. His position is just too extreme.
Posted by: Sandy | June 9, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
Annie:
More Catholics vote for Democrats, even with the ‘abortion’ issue.
Posted by: J-M, TX | June 9, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
I am a women an ex-hillary supporter and like she said we women can not turn around we must go forward. I am also catholic. I will never vote for McCain he does not value women rights and is pro WAR. All women better be very wise and not vote for McCain we will not go back to the hanger days. I am 69 yrs old and I will continue to support the democratic party. I will support Borack Obama he will be our next president. I urge all women of my generation not to support McCain. We must not go back to the same do nothing policys of George W Bush. I also wanted to say that many catholics are supporting Barack. Dont let the republicans fool you this time around.
Posted by: Barbra C. Leonard | June 9, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
My family is catholic and we will support Barack Obama. The end to this stupid war and economic issues are just to darn important to just give my vote to McCain based on my religion..Now that will be stupid.
Posted by: Mark | June 9, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
The world is watching America! Do let this unstable man, John McCain, become the president of this country. Just think, not only did we end up destroying the world, but we then have to meet with God to explain why. Let’s be smart an vote Obama 2008!
Posted by: Julien | June 9, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
There is more to being a Christian than going to curch on sundays and trying to control the free will of others, A christian is supposed to help the poor, the elderly, the children, they are supposed to care about those who are needy.
Posted by: WWJD | June 10, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
“A lot of people are starving now with the Democrat party holding to houses.
Posted by: Willie | Jun 9, 2008 11:23:50 PM”
The economy won’t be any better under Bozo! He has no proven magic to change the winds of poverty into the wins of an upward economy.
His plan for universal health care falls shy of universality by 15,000,000 people!
He has misled his followers into believing that, under his stewardship, their votes will be rewarded by special consideration when it comes to jobs, welfare, and additional affirmative action.
And how can you vote for a man who favors late term partial abortion?
He is a politician with a mesmerizing voice… who would do better as a preacher than as a president.
He is sound signifying nothing because although he has charisma he lacks the kind of character we need in a trustworthy, effective leader!
B O is very similar to the other Bozo currently in office.
We’ve made a mistake the last two times;
Don’t let it happen again.
Don’t let the broken DNC force feed
a questionable nominee to you!
Clinton before Obama,
Mccain before Obama.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!
Posted by: eyes wide open | June 10, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
Obama will have rev. wright in the white house…
Clinton or McCain in ’08
Posted by: John W. in FL | June 10, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
if anyone believes that obama does not have specific policies and issues (yes, he’s also a brilliant speaker and thinker… so crucify him for that if you wish, but it’s actually a GOOD thing to have an articulate person in the white house believe it or not!)… so if you don’t think obama has specific and real policies, you need to go to his website and look them up!…
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am
I am still for justice and democracy and fair play.
They gang banged the best candidate to install an Obama.
So I must say, no thank-you…. what message would it send if after all the hate and demonizing, and insults hurled,…. I now reward the evildoers with my vote?
No to DEMS. No to DNC. No to Obama.
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
Obama knows about religion, maybe you should visit Trinity church. I’ve been there once, I’ll never go back. This is no church, it’s hatred.
Posted by: Atisha | June 10, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
now someone has taken my name and posted views that republican fear mongers would post against obama… LOL
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again… the republicans are TERRIFIED of obama because he will cream mcain… they post here as pseudo-clinton-supporters-turned-mccain-lovers, but they really are republican spammers… people need to ask their real life clinton supporting friends if they will vote for mccain… i know MANY and NONE of them will vote for mccain… this is a republican effort to try to steal clinton lovers who may be wishy washy, but it will fail, just like the republican party has failed due to lies, hypocrisy and bad policey… please notice the mccain supporters here NEVER talk about REAL policy issues they have with obama, NEVER… they just feed on fear which is the republicans methodology that has worked but that too is failing for them
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
obama is a flopper?… can you tell me a few of his policy flops?… i mean specifics?… i really want to know!… if you are so correct and knowledgable, you should have this info (or did you get if from rush limbaugh?)
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
silence… again proves my point
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
FLIP: Obama Campaign spokesman David Axelrod claimed that Obama never disputed that the surge would make a difference in Iraq:
Axelrod: “[Obama] never disputed the fact that if you throw a surge of American soldiers in an area, that you can make a difference…” (MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” 5/30/08)
FLOP: Obama Said “I Don’t Think The President’s Strategy Is Going To Work.” Obama: “But right now what we have is, I think by all accounts, a disaster unfolding in Iraq. We all have a responsibility, Democrats and Republicans, Congress and the White House, to make sure that we can come up with the best strategy. I don’t think the president’s strategy is going to work. We went through two weeks of hearings on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; experts from across the spectrum — military and civilian, conservative and liberal — expressed great skepticism about it.” (MSNBC’s “Reaction To The State Of The Union Address,” 1/23/07)
* Obama also said the surge would actually worsen sectarian violence in Iraq: “I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse.” (MSNBC’s “Response To The President’s Speech On Iraq,” 1/10/07)
FLIP: Obama said he would provide funding for the troops in Iraq:
“‘I Think That Nobody Wants To Play Chicken With Our Troops On The Ground,’ Said Obama.” (Mike Glover, “Obama Says Congress Will Fund Iraq War After Expected Bush Veto,” The Associated Press, 4/1/07)
* Obama: “[W]hat you don’t want to do is to play chicken to — with the president, and create a situation in which, potentially, you don’t have body armor; you don’t have reinforced Humvees; you don’t have night-vision goggles.” (CNN’s “The Situation Room,” 3/28/07)
In January 2007, Obama said that congress needed to make sure that troops in Iraq had “All the resources necessary to come home safely and to execute the missions that have been laid out for them.” Obama: “I know nobody in Congress, Republican or Democrat, who is going to in any way strand troops who are presently in Iraq. We’ve got to make sure that they have all the resources necessary to come home safely and to execute the missions that have been laid out for them.” (MSNBC’s “Reaction To The President’s Speech On Iraq,” 1/10/07)
FLOP: Obama pandered to George Soros (MoveOn.Org) by voting AGAINST critical funding ($94.4 Billion) for the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan:
(H.R. 2206, CQ Vote #181: Passed 80-14: R 42-3; D 37-10; I 1-1, 5/24/07, Obama Voted Nay)
“MoveOn.org, a leading antiwar group, rallied its 3.2 million members in an e-mail alert…that declared that ‘every single Democrat must oppose this bill.’ The group warned that it would consider backing primary challengers to Democrats who vote yes. Other organizations issued similar angry threats.” (Shailagh Murray, “Antiwar Groups Press Democrats To Vote Against Iraq Bill,” The Washington Post, 5/24/07)
FLIP: Obama says he has the judgment to handle the situation in Iraq:
Obama: “I don’t talk about my opposition to the war to say ‘I told you so.’ I wish the war had gone differently. But the reason I talk about it is because I truly believe that the judgment, and the conviction, and the accountability that each of us showed on the most important foreign policy decision of our lives is the best indicator you have of how each of us will make those decisions going forward. How we made that decision, and how we talk about it, is critical to understanding what we would do as President.” (Sen. Bara ck Obama, Remarks On Iraq, Des Moines, IA, 10/12/07)
FLOP: Obama has NOT been to Iraq since 2006:
“Obama … met with U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad and Iraqi President Jalal Talabani on Saturday [January 6, 2006]. He said before his two-day trip to Iraq that he wanted to ask U.S. commanders what a realistic time frame was for bringing troops home.” (Jason Straziuso, “Obama Says Minorities Mus t Be More Involved In Iraq’s Government,” The Associated Press, 1/7/06)
FLIP: Obama said that the President must be “Mindful of the situation on the ground and what the commanders say”:
Smith: “If you are to be elected president and your commanders on the ground there and your Secretary of Defense said, ‘Hold back; you can’t be pulling these people out; we’re going to create a civil war and a bloodbath,’ what would you do?” Obama: “My job as commander in chief is to keep the American people safe. But I firmly believe that we have to send a signal to the Iraqis that it is time to withdraw. We will not have a permanent base there. We will not have a permanent occupation there.” Smith: “Even if -” Obama: “Within those constraints -” Smith: “Even if it meant the beginning of civil war?” Obama: “No, no, no. Within those constraints, I think there is going to be some flexibility. And obviously I would consult with commanders. We have to be mindful of the situation on the ground and what the commanders say.” (CBS’ “The Early Show,” 2/4/08)
* Obama: “I will listen to General Petraeus given the experience that he has accumulated over the last several years. It would be stupid of me to ignore what he has to say.” (Fox’s “Fox News Sunday,” 4/27/08) {emphasis mine}
FLOP: Obama communications director Robert Gibbs admitted that Obama would ignore commanders and facts on the ground during potential Iraq trip:
MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski: “And, Robert, is your candidate – I mean, just this whole Iraq thing is now being revitalized a bit because of the book. But is your candidate going to go to Iraq? Is that in the plans?” Gibbs: “Well, as he said yesterday Mika, it’s under discussion about going overseas and going to Iraq sometime between now and the campaign. You know, I don’t think we’ll be taking that trip with John McCain because as Senator Obama said yesterday, the work that the men and women in our military are doing over there is just far too important for them to be props in some sort of political stunt or photo-op. You know, what they’re doing over there is separated from their families, giving for their country. It’s truly, truly amazing, and I think we would want to go over there and talk to them and see what sort of difficulties they’re facing and see how it is that we can begin to carefully remove them and carefully bring them back to their families and bring them back to the United States.” (MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” 5/29/08)
Posted by: See | June 10, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am
god forbid a political leader is articulate… the only thing the republicans can say about that is that hes a sweet talker void of policy… welll read his policys, they are in black and white for anyone to read on his website and elsewhere… (of course, mainstream media just want the juicy gossipy crap and dont report ths bare bone issues)… but the debates will bring all that up… and OH! i can’t WAIT for the debates of mccain and obama!!!.. he is going to destroy mccain in the debates
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
Are Catholics pro abortion? I think not. Obama is thoe so he will not get their vote.
Posted by: Stephen | June 10, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am
i could take each one of those supposed flip flops apart… lets take the first one… obama only admitted that a surge would have SHORT TERM effects, but not true long lasting effects, which may actually backfire… of course the ‘surge’ is still in effect and the civil war there rages on with american lives still being lost… now, that is just the first one… but if anyone is actually reading, this info was lifted from a website used by right wing obama haters, and is certainly not the views of supposed CLINTON supporters… are these CLINTON supporters supporting the WAR??? i think clinton and obama are VERY CLOSE on their iraq war policy, MUCH closer than they are to MCCAIN who is a right wing hawk
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am
i’m catholic and will vote for obama, my mother is catholic and vehemently against abortion, but would NEVER vote for mccain and would have voted for clinton and now will vote for obama… you people who think the only issue is abortion are mistaken, catholics, even those against abortion, will vote for obama because they are sick of the right wing failure
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
notice how i am debating with people who sound like obvious REPUBLICANS?… these pseudo-clinton supporters dont sound much like clinton democrats to me
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
i’ll take on the second supposed flip-flop you list before i head to bed… the one dealing with funding the troops… the bill that was originally passed fully supported the troops and demanded a policy forcing bush to do the will of the people, and with draw from iraq… BUSH (and mccain agreed) VETOED the bill to support the troops financially because it included measures to bring the troops back… so a watered down version was drummed up which eliminated ANY mention of ending the war and gave bush ANOTHER blank check into continuing his misguided and illegal war… so yes, moveon.org DID push to stop this watered down war spending bill… not to hurt the troops but to get them home and force bush to think about what his goals are to end the war… this is not a flip flop, this is trying to stop Bush’s war… something TRUE clinton supporters should support as well… but again, here you have republican (ie. mccain and bush) arguements… these people are NOT CLINTON SUPPORTERS!… SHE SUPPORTS OBAMA!
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
wow the third flip flop is cake… (i should be in bed)… it is not a flip flop to say that withdrawing troops means you will not do what you can to stop the country from increased civil war (hey, even with all 140,000 troops, there is STILL CIVIL WAR there)… anyway, this supposed flip flop trys to trick people into saying that either we continue down George Bush’s road of war without end, or completely abandon the iraqi people with no support… most people do not know (due to the mainstream medias being in bed with bush) that MOST citizens in iraq on ALL sides of the civil war want the US MILITARY OCCUPATION OUT!.. this is the will of the citizens of iraq!… so much for our bring so-called democracy to iraq… but finally, this argument is NOT an argument a CLINTON LOVER would use against obama, Hilary Clinton also supports a withdraw!.. you clinton-turned-mccain lovers are FAKES if you ask me!
Posted by: earthisnotflat | June 10, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am
You never hear about exactly WHAT happened to the
people in the city of Jericho after Joshua brought
those walls down. the commandment, given by
Jehovah (he calls himself GOD) was that everything
living thing in Jericho was to be slain. All the men, women, children, babies, old people, pregnant
women and all the animals. “Leave no living thing”
was the exact commandment.
Joshua was a terrorist.
Posted by: Josie Ortez | June 10, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am
I haven’t seen much that is original with Obama. The worst part is, he has no practical experience out there in the big world where the big battles take place, and that’s why he borrows ideas.
In the beginning of the primaries all he talked about was hope. He kept saying he didn’t know what he was going to do about this or that, just that he knew something had to change and that it was going to be hard to do. When he was asked tough questions he either couldn’t answer or didn’t want to answer he would just beligerently walk away. As the campaign wore on he seemed to begin to see that we needed specific answers. Now he’s evolved to altering his views almost daily because [I think]he’s getting a crash course on US policies and what the American people want to hear from his advisors.
I won’t vote for Obama because I think he’s a con artist. Yeah, all politicians need to know how to play the game, but the more I listen and read, the more I see he’s playing it like a shyster lawyer…he discards those he cannot use and is not true to anyone but himself.
Posted by: kevlyn | June 10, 2008, 3:13 am 3:13 am
Chris…
Interesting how you try to drag religion into my comments that were solely based in fact, logic and science… Who is it really that has been sold a bill of goods?
Posted by: Man | June 10, 2008, 4:04 am 4:04 am
I think people should have to take a civics test to be allowed to vote. At least then we would know that the people picking the leaders of this country actually have a clue about the issues facing our nation and aren’t casting a vote based on such minutia as “he’s black” or “she’s a woman”.
Posted by: Man | June 10, 2008, 4:19 am 4:19 am
Just as media built up Obama on hype and spin they will break him with facts…DIRTY Polotics of OBAMA the man some Americans want to be the next president. It’s about time the media focused on the reality, not the fantasy.
Posted by: mary | June 10, 2008, 6:08 am 6:08 am
You may NOT call yourself a Catholic (in good standing)if you vote for Obama. It really is that simple. You also shouldn’t be receiving Communion as you will be committing a mortal sin if you vote for a person who is evil. and to earthisnotflat you are risking the eternal fires of hell if you do. You know that abortion is evil and yet you support the very man whose voting record proves where his values and morals lay. He even voted to kill the baby by partial birth abortion. Do your homework! There is NO compromising with God, when you stand in judgment before Him, I don’t think He is going to care about your “reasons” for voting for Obama or Clinton for that matter. Now you know, so you have no excuse! Please if you really are a catholic.. go before the Blessed Sacrament and sit before the Lord and pray about your vote.
Posted by: Mary | June 10, 2008, 7:31 am 7:31 am
B. Hussein Obama is our messiah, the king of kings and then read the Book of Joshua.
Everything from this guy is suspect. The latest he is okaying fingerprint ID for non-criminals.
This guy could make me paranoid.
The media is for him which makes he against him.
Posted by: Minnesota Fats | June 10, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am
You have to ask yourself, who would Jesus vote for?
The man who came from obscurity, defied all odds…walked away from fortune to help those less fortunate. He is Inspirational, articulate, intelligent.
Or the 3rd generation Navy officer with an anger management problem.
Posted by: JL | June 10, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
Obama is a baby killer. That’s all that needs to be said.
Posted by: Linda | June 10, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
It is interesting that we can recruit Catholic youth for votes but ignore God’s right to life of the the unborn.
Posted by: Tim | June 10, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
Senator Obama is not only for abortion, but also infanticide. I hope we are ALL against that. Any person like the Senator who would not be in favor of giving babies who survive abortion medical assistance is in danger of losing his immortal soul. We should all be praying that God guides both the candidates to choose life and not death for our children. Women deserve better than abortion!
Posted by: Judith52 | June 10, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Obama Explains National Anthem Stance
Is this guy crazy or what!
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:48:04 -0400, “LTG
Bill Ginn” USAF ret forwarded:
Hot on the heels of his explanation for why
he no longer wears a flag pin,
presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama
was forced to explain why he doesn’t
follow protocol when the National Anthem is
played.
According to the United States Code, Title
36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171, During
rendition of the national anthem when the
flag is displayed, all present except
those in uniform are expected to stand at
attention facing the flag with the
right hand over the heart.
“As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t
want to be perceived as taking sides,”
Obama said. “There are a lot of people in
the world to whom the American flag is
a symbol of oppression. And the anthem
itself conveys a war-like message. You
know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It
should be swapped for something less
parochial and less bellicose. I like the
song ‘I’d Like to Teach the World to
sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might
salute it.”
WHAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!! Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this could possibly be our next president. I, for once, am
speechless. .
Posted by: Marlynn | June 10, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
As a young Catholic, I find it incredibly offensive that Obama wants my vote. Kiss my toosh you baby-murdering socialist! You’re in for a big shock when you start talking to us young Catholics who know and love their faith. We are well aware of your support of the culture of death, not to mention that IT IS A MORTAL SIN TO KNOWINGLY VOTE FOR A PRO-ABORTION CANDIDATE!
Posted by: Amy | June 10, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
As far as I can see the 1/3 of the Democratic Party who is in charge of the Presidential Campaingn is awakenening with big strides the famous and effective Silent Majority.In response to the slur room we should have The Prayer Room.May God bless America for ever more.
Posted by: Martha | June 10, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Some here claim they’re Catholic and yet don’t have any qualms about voting for a pro-abortion candidate. They would like to give the false impression that they can separate the Catholic from the voter within themselves. What a big lie!They’re only deceiving themselves.
Vote for Obama, yeah right. One big fat CHANCE we can’t give in (to) …and not CHANGE we can believe in.
Posted by: Joe Mari | June 10, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
The irony here is over the top – In 1999 Farris named his Purcellville VA vanity college Patrick Henry College. Patrick Henry Community College in Martinsville VA tried to block him – unsuccessfully – in the legislature from “using a name ‘identical or confusingly similar’ to one already used by the community college system.” Farris claimed it was “fundamentally unfair” to ask him to change the name. (So Far, It’s a Tie in Battle to Claim Popular Name for Planned Purcellville College, Washington Post, 2/7/99).
Posted by: MaryBelle | June 10, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
…I don’t even know how to respond to this article, except to say, that anyone who calls themselves CATHOLIC and votes for this advocate of the murder of the INNOCENCE is living a LIE and should study the Catholic teachings in depth; go to confession, and beg Our Lord for absolution, since voting for Obama is voting for the demise of the United States of America, and more importantly, the condemnation of your very soul!
Posted by: jane jacobs | June 10, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
This country is not about a flag pin; it’s not about a flag; it is more about a citizen’s right to burn that flag in protest if they disagree with what this country is doing. Anyone who thinks wearing a flag pin makes them patriotic is sick. It’s like a baby that cries, not because it hurts, but because it wants others to think it hurts. This country is about the right of a person to get up and put forth an opinion that others might totally disagree with, and you have the right to protest it . That is what America is about; that is what we should celebrate. It’s called freedom of expression as provided for in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution: The right to express ourselves any way we wish. Our military risk their lives so that all Americans can enjoy the rights provided for in our Constitution, whether their manner of doing so is popular or not.
FUNNY THING IS: I NEVER SAW HILLARY WEAR A FLAG PIN; AND I NEVER SAW HER CRITICIZED FOR IT.
Posted by: rhbate | June 10, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
IF YOU LIKE THIS ECONOMY,
IF YOULIKE THIS NEVER-ENDING WAR,
IF LIKE PAYING HIGH GAS PRICES,
IF LIKE THE TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH,
IF YOU CAN’T WAIT TO INVADE IRAN,
IF YOU LIKE HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT,
IF YOU LOOK FORWARD TO THE END OF ROE V. WADE.
IF YOU LIKE THE UNFAIR TRADE POLICIES THAT SEND JOBS AND TECHNOLOGY OVERSEAS,
IF YOU LIKE A GOVERNMENT THAT PRACTICES TORTURE,
IF YOU LIKE A GOVERNMENT THAT SPIES ON ITS OWN CITIZEN,
IF YOU LIKE THE FACT THAT THE US IS ONE OF THE MOST REVILED NATIONS ON THE PLANET, THEN YOU’LL JUST LOVE McCAIN.
Posted by: rhbate | June 10, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
I’m not comfortable with any of the candidates. Who are the write-ins?
Posted by: ACloserWalk | June 10, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Every candidate has their good and bad points. The Obama campaign talks about the economy, healthcare, the environment which are noble causes of concern. But how exactly will they accomplish this? The Republicans should espouse themselves a little more to these issues, but what one overlooks is the moral health of this country if Obama wins. He is the most pro abortion candidate we ever had, he is for gay marraiges and other immoral issues. I dont preach intolerance for gays as we should not judge anyone but allowing marraige for them is a travesty of God’s laws. I think if Obama becomes president we will spiral further down the moral scale.
Posted by: John | June 10, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
Also what is this talk of racist America? It seems the minorities have more rights here than anyone. This country is so racist when half the country is supporting Obama? I am not saying racism doesn’t exist but some people make it seem as if it is the main face of America. Everyone is so sensitive these days about race and ethnicity but why is it that Hispanic people have literally taken over the term and designation Latin when it came from Romans in Italy, Julius Ceaser and Pompeii and nobody says anything about that? Latin is the legacy of Italians and no one else.
Posted by: John | June 10, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
if you are catholic you cannot vote for obama and remain in good standing with the church. without the right to life the economy, gas prices, the war, sending jobs overseas, etc. doesn’t matter. if you don’t get out of the womb alive then it is all moot. they can call it whatever they want but that doesn’t change the fact that abortion is murder.
Posted by: cake parade | June 11, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
I am a pro-life Catholic who is not thrilled with McCain but feel that voting for Obama in essence is giving up the fight for the defenseless. Obama has said repeatedly that his first act would be to pass the Freedom of Choice Act which would basically put an end to all our efforts to stop abortion these past 35 years. Money and security are more important than a human life!!!Shame on those who would
give up the fight for this man who promises “change”. What change? Haven’t we heard this mantra from candidates before him in one form or another.
Several have mentioned that religion shouldn’t be part of their politics but evidently Obama and McCain don’t agree since they are reaching out to the evangelicals for their votes. Watch how quickly they will abandon them when and if they get elected.
I will hold my nose and vote for MCCain and hope he can continue to keep this country safe (7 years) and maybe work with the Democrats to start drilling in our own country. We are sitting on our own freedom….but let’s save that tree.
Posted by: Phyllis | June 11, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
“The man who came from obscurity, defied all odds…walked away from fortune to help those less fortunate. He is Inspirational, articulate, intelligent.
Or the 3rd generation Navy officer with an anger management problem.”
didn’t St. Peter have anger managment problems?
Posted by: Elm | June 11, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
McCain has been tested over and over by Castro, Russia, China, Hugo Chavez, N. Korea, etc. Obama has not ever been tested. Even George W. Bush attacked McCain like he attacked John Kerry and Al Gore. Obama is good with words with little or nothing to show me or anyone else.He is a good spesker. Our country needs more than a good speaker. It needs a tested leader with character and experience. McCain is old and in good health. Death does not discriminate. Even new born babies die. More aborted babies have been killed than all the wars the country has been in. With Obama at the CONTROLS AS PRESIDENT they will die quicker; because he believes in abortion and killings. Even Palin has more experience than Obama. Hillery R. Clinton did. To criticize Palin or Hillery is ok. To criticize Obama is Discrimination, hate, bigotry,etc. I get the picture of how some think. But I don’t agree with it. They need to get real. They have a brain. They need to use it.
Posted by: Luis Contreras | October 25, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm