Hillary Clinton Tonight
Not only did Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, not concede tonight, she didn’t even congratulate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, for having secured the Democratic presidential nomination. Which he did at 9 pm ET, when five delegates from South Dakota pushed him over the top, giving him the 2,118 delegates the Democratic Party says is the magic number.
She said she wanted to "recognize" Obama and his supporters for all they have accomplished. She said Obama inspired Americans to care about politics, and empowered people to get involved — but nothing about his rather historic accomplishment.*
She said she didn’t want her supporters to be ignored or disrespected.
She continued to push her highly debatable "popular vote" claim and declare that she’s the strongest candidate.
The crowd chanted "Denver! Denver! Denver!"
"The question is where do we go from here?" she said. "This has been a long campaign and I will be making no decisions tonight."
I’ve never seen anything like this.
She invited supporters to go to her website and share their thoughts about what she should do next.
What would be your guidance?
- jpt
* I tweaked some of the language here.
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You go, grrlfren’!
Don’t give up! Obama’s going to implode and you’ll be there to pick up the pieces.
Posted by: mesquito | June 3, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
Keep on keepin’ on, Hillary, you tenacious trooper, you!!!!!
Obama NEEDS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Manyhats63 | June 3, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Mesquito says: “….Obama is going to implode and you’ll be there to pick up the pieces…”
What will happen is that she will not have a party left after this year. She should run as an Independent, I am sure all her supporters can pay her 20 million dollar debt (that she wants Obama to pay-go figure) plus finance her independent campaign. On the other hand, she personally has all the money in the world… Yeah…you go, grrlfren’!
ps- Clinton doesn’t want her suppoters disrespected….respect is a 2-way street. She didn’t even congratulate him. Classless!
Posted by: elen | June 3, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Hillary’s speech was cheap and petty ignoring of the facts !
Obama however, You see him speak now thats how you unite the party !
Obama 08 12
Posted by: Kate | June 3, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
CNN commentators are in a total stitch because Hillary didn’t concede tonight. Those guys hate it when she doesn’t do what they think she should do. She will just not play nice.
Interesting. Could be a Denver decision. If Obama can’t say V.P Clinton he can kiss a lot of the 18 million votes good by.
Looks like he is kissing up to Hillary already. Gotta do more for her and for the 18 million his campaign walked over and pushed aside to get the nomination. Let’s see how he leads now…
Posted by: AmazonTraveler | June 3, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Once the infamous ‘whitey tape’ comes out she will be there to save the party from Obama and pick up the nomination. I encourage her to keep going.
Posted by: Andrea | June 3, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
elen,
we sen. clinton supporters gotta do what we gotta do-for the country that is.
country first
party second.
sen. clinton for the country.
obama for obama and the msm
Posted by: jgaw | June 3, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Hillary
I am so excited that you have Won South Dakota
I’m a Mother 42yrs of Nine Children, 6 boys and 3 girls and I am so looking forward in you winning this election
You have given a good fight and you have prevailed. Keep going for us
We are here for you as you are here for us :~)
Posted by: Michelle | June 3, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
If she wanted that VP slot…
…
She just lost it
Posted by: Anthony | June 3, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
Wes Clark floats Obama-Sebelius
Wes Clark stopped out in Texas yesterday to drop by a fundraiser Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius headlined for Michael Skelly, a Democrat running for congress in Texas.
Clark introduced Sebelius and, according to a regular correspondent and reliable source who was there, said:
“The London odds-makers say that Kathleen Sebelius is the odds-on favorite to be the next vice
president. I can tell you, she’d make a great vice presidential choice.”
He then introduced her as “The next vice president of the United States….”
Sebelius is typically considered for the slot only if Obama is the nominee.
A sign of the times from a Clinton loyalist.
Posted by: Kate | June 3, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Hello. Superdelegates don’t cast their votes till the Convention so how do their promises count as if they were pledged delegates at this point. I don’t get it. Ted Kennedy went to the Convention in 1980 not even accepting the pledged delegates. Superdelegates have flopped around like fish on the skillet so how can they “put someone over the top”? Please explain this logic.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | June 3, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
I told her anything but Obama’s VP.
Posted by: tww | June 3, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
I just love that Lady!!! She has my support in what ever decision she makes. I would get even more envolved if she decided to run as an Independent! I thought Kieth O’s head was going to explode after her speech! LOL!
Posted by: Jim | June 3, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
She’s sending people to her website in the hopes that they’ll help to pay down her massive debt from a poorly-run, poorly-funded campaign.
Posted by: dakota65 | June 3, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
JIM
I WISH IT WOULD ,
NOW THAT IS SOMETHING I WILL TURN ON MSNBC TO WATCH.
Posted by: jgaw | June 3, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
DAKOTA65
AND WE WILL PAY.
Posted by: jgaw | June 3, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
I told Hillary to grow up this isnt about her !
She lost fair and sqaure we unite and move forward if she believes in what she ran on! McCain is everything she stands against !
Posted by: Kate | June 3, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
My guidance?
There are a lot of psychiatrists in NY. Hillary BADLY needs to see a load of them.
Plus, she apparently has no class what-so-ever.
What a difference with our next President of the United States!
Posted by: maria | June 3, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Can you believe what she done tonight she lost it………She was so rude was not even funny,blew her own horn to the point she was sicken.Obama was nice to her as he has been through the whole campaign this woman needs some meds.Honest to God I am still in disbelief
Posted by: white woman ind. voter | June 3, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
If Obama doesn’t give Hillary the VP spot, then I hope she runs as an independent in the fall. She would get my vote and a lot of others that I know.
Posted by: joseph | June 3, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
TO HILLARY:
———–
For your best interests DO NOT accept
the VP position….
18 million of us voted for you….
Please do not put us down…..
PLEASE DO NOT JOIN THE TICKET.
You deserve to be president NOT a second spot.
Posted by: Nicholas | June 3, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Hillary Clinton doesn’t have the Dem leadership. She doesn’t have the fawning media. All she has is the votes of the people!! You can see her gaining strength from the will of the people. McCain is on the right flank, tired, old, promising more of the Bush disasters. Obama is on the left flank promising an untested, weak, lefty internship presidency. Clinton cuts right down the middle with smarts, experience and savvy with her feet planted firmly on the middle ground.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | June 3, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Hillary is about as classless as anyone I’ve ever seen. She doesn’t deserve to be pres or vice pres!! If she acts like this now,just imagine if she was president, she wouldn’t respect anyone!
Posted by: Teryy | June 3, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
jgaw…I am going to help pay that debt as well. God I hope Obama’s teleprompter goes out during his speech then his head will explode!
Posted by: Jim | June 3, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
I love it Hillary, aggravate MSNBC/CNN. Anything but Obama’s VP.
Posted by: Ken | June 3, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Denver!
Posted by: denver | June 3, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
18 million ? Listen to her speach again she said almost 18 million
Offical number DNC:
Popular Vote
Obama 17,389,253
Clinton 17,364,667
Thats without caucus states !
with
Obama 17,745,430
Hillary 17,616,750
Posted by: Kate | June 3, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
HRC will be POTUS. End of story. Just wait and see.
Obama has not been vetted thoroughly thanks to MSM.And Michelle will never be First Lady…take it to the bank.
When this week finishes the Super Delegates will be tripping over their tongues to switch to Hillary.
Posted by: LL Barra | June 3, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
what is our guidance to her
DENVER! DENVER! DENVER!
and jake we know you have never seen anything like it, how old are you?
1968-2008
thank you sen. clinton for lighting the fire again.
this made for tv electioning,soft shoe,
country first
dem party never again
Posted by: jgaw | June 3, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
I’m a Republican and all the Republican show’s I listen to, I won’t say there name, Fox, all wanted Obama to win. They trashed Hillary especially Brian and the Judge, I won’t say what station, Fox radio. I lot of Republicans like myself hate Bush and Cheney for stabbing us in the back like the rest of America. And alot of us can’t stand Juan McBush, aka McCain.But the party know’s that Obama will bring out the Republican base. I know alot of Republicans that would have voted for Hillary including myself.
Posted by: tomjoad1776 | June 3, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
TO HILLARY
———–
BILL became a president with 3-way
race.You can do the same thing.
DECLARE INDEPENDENCE AND RUN AS
AN INDEPENDENT with a VP of your
choice.
You have a good change to win.
Posted by: Nicholas | June 3, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Even as a diehard Democrat, I have to say I believe she could win as an Independent. Neither of these other two guys is even in her league.The party elite and the media can protest all they want but in the end the voters will decide who will be our president during these difficult times. The general election is a straight up vote. I like her chances in a 3-way race.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | June 3, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Run as an independent hillary. All my family and friends and colleagues will vote for you and so will over 18 million people. Obama can’t win in Nov.
If she doesn’t run as independent, hello president mccain!
Posted by: MASP | June 3, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
say – Lord thy will be done – and sing “It is well with my soul”. Please give it up Hillary. Give it up, Give it up, Give it up before you are tempted to sin.
Posted by: Prayerpartner | June 3, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
There’s really nothing one can say. She’s without grace or conscience, and quite willing to do whatever it takes to promote her own interests, no matter how delusional those interests may be at this point in time. She continues to feed the frenzy of her own supporters, and does so to the detriment of the party’s nominee. And yet, after all of that, she seems equally determined to elbow her way onto the ticket. And why?
Because she firmly believes she deserves whatever it is she wants, no matter how venal her previous behavior may have been.
I don’t have any advice for Hillary. But I’ve got a little for Obama. She’s a cancer on the party. And the only thing to do with cancer is cut it out. The sooner the better.
Posted by: Harley | June 3, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
I told her I wouldn’t vote for Obama unless she was on the ticket, but that I respected whatever decision she made. Her speech was extremely dignified. I agree with the other poster – she gets hell for not being perceived as ‘nice’. However, she clearly advocated in her speech for universal health care and other issues larger than her campaign.
In some ways, I hope she turns Obama down (if he has the good sense to offer her the VP slot). She can do better.
Posted by: Mera | June 3, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Hillary won’t take this to the convention. She will put the party and the Clinton legacy first.
Posted by: erin | June 3, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
You’re right. Clinton followers have to do what they have to do. Six months ago no one thought any one but Sen. Clinton had a chance at the nomination and it would all be over by Super Tuesday. It wasn’t. Today is a night of celebration for those of us who support Sen. Obama…He is not perfect, he admits it (she doesn’t) but he has always congratulated her unfailingly on her victories, even when she was leading the nomination. You don’t like him…so be it. You don’t like his gift of oration? Many great leaders had it. You think he will implode? Her campaign has already done so. You will vote for McCain…so be it. Tonight is his night. The first Black American nominee. As a 64 year old Hispanic woman, I applaud him. Many great things can be credited to Sen. Clinton, but the one thing that she will be remembered by is how she split up the Democratic Party. That will be the Clinton legacy. It is my hope and prayer that we can survive the divisiveness she spawned. If we cannot…Iraq will continue for decades.
Posted by: elen | June 3, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
18 million ? Listen to her speach again she said almost 18 million
Offical number DNC:
Popular Vote
Obama 17,389,253
Clinton 17,364,667
Thats without caucus states !
with
Obama 17,745,430
Hillary 17,616,750
Obama won the most states:
Obama won 34-20
He will be the POTUS
He won fair and sqaure !
Posted by: Kate | June 3, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
“TO BE A GOOD DEMOCRAT OR TO BE A GOOD AMERICAN”
To Continue the war in Iraq or to end it ?
For PRo Choice or Against it ?
To have healthcare or only for the Rich ?
To have an energy plan or to have a oil crisis?
To help Americas own their homes or to tell them they have never been better off ?
Posted by: Kate | June 3, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Kuddo’s to you Hillary!!!! For all you’ve had to endure throughout this campaign, you’ve stood your ground. With the bias in the media alone, you were robbed and so were we and we know it. If it should happen that you would be on the ticket with Obama, as much as I want you there, I don’t want him, I feel he is a danger to this country and I would have to vote for McCain. I can’t vote for party alone.
Posted by: jg | June 3, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Yes, I agree, I’m sure Hillary would win in a three way race as an independent. She would get the Republican vote’s that hate Bush/McCain, and she would get the Dem. white vote.
Posted by: tomjoad1776 | June 3, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
I love the fact that she is aggravation the crapola out of MSNBC/CNN.
Posted by: Ken | June 3, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Go all the way to Denver Hillary! We haven’t given up. This whole race has been tweaked by the media with them reporting EVERY negative thing about Hillary but only very briefly reporting negative about Obama. Frankly I’ll toss my support behind Hillary as an independent even. I believe SHE is the best next President and the other two aren’t worth my vote.
I applaud her for not giving up tonight. Those of us who support her deserve her full thought out answer on this.
GO TO DENVER Hillary!
Posted by: Rosemary | June 3, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
if hillary runs independent, mccain wins
Posted by: Steve | June 3, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Obama didn’t secure anything tonight!
Long time to the convention in August!
I hear Rezko will be found guilty this week?
Wonder what he knows about Obama?
tweet-tweet
:D
Posted by: USVet | June 3, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
Re: “Sebelius is a REAL winner.”
She’s unqualified. So is Webb. He should pick Hillary, Biden or Richardson.
Posted by: Julie | June 3, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
Why she needs to concede tonight because of these bully superdelegates try to push her out tonight? He will lose in Nov. because he cannot get the working class blue collars vote for him.
Posted by: stephanie | June 3, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
Just for the record, a question for the Hillary supporters in here. You understand that Obama won the primary contest tonight, yes? And while we’re on the subject, how would be reacting had their roles been reversed? Would you applaud Senator Obama for refusing to concede even tho’ he had lost the race?
Actually, don’t bother answering the second question. We already know the answer.
Posted by: Harley | June 3, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
I am a woman, and as much as I love Hillary and respect her, and despite the fact that I voted for her. I will vote for Obama. I’m a feminist, but that doesn’t mean that I am a racist. I will not vote for McCain and let him continue George Bush’s policies. Too many people have died. Too many people have lost their jobs and their homes.
I have to say goodbye to Hillary Clinton tonight and vote for Obama in November, and who knows…we may have a woman as Vice President soon regardless!!!!
Posted by: TimeToGiveItUp | June 3, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Hillary will be the Democratic Nominee.
Obama is unelectable. Just a matter of time (and there is a lot of time between now and when the votes are cast in August at the convention) befor the Superdelegates wake up and see that Obama is uneletable.
No repeat of 1968!!
Posted by: USVet | June 3, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
Do we need more proof that Bill and Hillary “Screw’ em” Clinton only care about themselves being in power, while claiming to care about blue “Screw’ em” collar voters?
They are both a most horrible example of everything that is wrong about Washington.
And I’m sorry to say it, but the folks who still support her after this shamelessly narcissist performance apparently don’t give a damn about getting the GOP out of the White House.
Well, Obama will even win the battle WITHOUT them. Just compare McCain’s speech to Obama’s tonight… haha… the old sweaty man has NO chance waht-so-ever.
And Hillary has completely destroyed her reputation in the LARGE part of the world, that is EVERY part of the world outside the silly, hysterical and self-indulgent realm of Hillaryland.
Posted by: freda | June 3, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Hillary Clinton is right, morally and legally.
I’m a person who likes to deal with facts. So let’s review some.
FACT: Superdelegates don’t have votes until the convention. Until then, they have preferences.
FACT: The Clinton campaign reserved its right to appeal the RBC’s Michigan decision to the Credentials Committee. A favorable outcome of that appeal will change the number of delegates needed for the nomination. Until that appeal is heard, no one should be declaring victory based on the magic number of 2118.
FACT: Barack Obama stole (and I mean that literally) 59 delegates in Michigan: 4 from Hillary Clinton and 55 from Uncommitted, a legally recognized presidential status. In a tactical error, Obama took his name off the ballot, and now a handful of political hacks at the DNC have set aside fundamental principles of election and constitutional law to effectively reverse his voluntary action.
FACT: These same RBC hacks lecture us disenfranchised Democrats about playing by the rules, but only when the rules favor His Highness Barack. (Case in point: the rules give my candidate Hillary Clinton the absolute right and authority to stay in the race and to take her case to the convention floor no matter how many superdelegates “declare.”)
FACT: Caucuses are unfair. If Michigan delegates can be re-allocated using hokey-pokey methods, certainly it would be reasonable to use the results of actual primary elections in states which had caucuses to “correct” the delegate tallies so that they are a fairer reflection of the peoples’ will.
FACT: Hillary Clinton has won more popular votes than Barack Obama. And, yes, that includes Michigan. You can’t have it both ways — if Obama wants delegates from Michigan, then the popular vote counts.
FACT: Hillary Clinton is the stronger candidate — by miles — against John McCain. She has assembled a demographic coalition that has a 100% chance of winning the Presidency for the Democratic Party. She can win crucial states in the general election like Florida and West Virginia that Obama doesn’t have a prayer of winning.
FACT: Hillary Clinton still out-polls both Barack Obama and John McCain in Electoral Vote surveys even in a climate of overt misogyny and sexism, even though the media has stopped treating her like a contender, and even in the face of criticism by officials in her own party for continuing to participate in the election.
FACT: Barack Obama’s momentum has been sliding downhill since February, even though he has enjoyed the most lopsided media coverage of any presidential candidate in history, and even though he has spent more money, up to 4 times the amount, on advertising than Hillary Clinton. There is no indication that Obama’s trajectory will recover anytime soon, especially not given the treasure chest of ammunition he and his wife have produced for the GOP and 527’s.
FACT: Barack Obama — the candidate who promised to transcend race — threw the race card around in this campaign without shame and with no apparent regard for the long-term consequences to the reputations of two loyal public servants, the Clintons, or the long-term impact on society.
FACT: Barack Obama, if not directly, suggested that white voters who chose Hillary Clinton over him by 30 and 40-point margins in some states did so because of racism, when HE is the one hanging out with, praying, and doing god-only-knows-what-else with his band of racist friends and preachers.
FACT: A huge portion (some polls say up to 50%) of Hillary Clinton supporters would not vote for Barack Obama in the general election, regardless of whether Clinton endorses him or campaigns for him.
FACT: Hillary Clinton will not only be a superior general-election candidate for the Democrats, she will be the best President our country could elect during these perilous and serious times.
On behalf of millions of Hillary Clinton supporters, I want to be sure that she knows where we stand.
FIGHT ON, Hillary. For the people.
Posted by: Linda | June 3, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Hillary has just finished a very trying campaign ans she deserves a day or two to decide what to do.
She deseerves to be asked to be V.P. since she won 17 million votes in contested elections, and what she does is up to her.
The taking of delegates she won in Michigan away from her was a classless act by the party, particularly since Obama had it won and could be magnanimous. In the continuing challenge to the “great uniter” to unite the party, he hasn’t perfomred andcan’t keep his supporters on a leash.
I don’t think he will wear well during the fall campaign, and all of Hillary’s upporteres will not come home. Unfortunately, if he loses, she will probably be blamed rather than the party elite the determined early to pick the wrong person.
Posted by: PCT | June 3, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Hillary hasn’t left the Democratic Party. The Dem Party left her. The leadership insists on yet another presidential loss. Obama loses the big states, the key swing states and the Dem core groups. He’s an African-American Kerry.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | June 3, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
This is what I sent to Senator Clinton…
Option 1: Stay in this till the convention; win the nomination
I am with you and will continue to be. I want you to stay in this through till the convention. I at least want you to take the MI votes to a credentials committee, even if it is simply to make a point to the DNC that they are quickly losing the values of the party. I still believe you will be the nominee and that there are many skeletons in Obama’s closet that will be coming out shortly. The super delegates can change their minds; I think that they simply need a real visible reason that makes Obama responsible for his own demise.
Option 2: Run Independent
I believe you and Bill could very easily start a third party, a centrist party. If there was ever a time to do it, it would be now. And if there were ever a person to do it, it would be you. The people are desperate for a third party, one that is based on a central position instead of that of the far right (GW) or far left (Obama).
NO to being Obama’s VP-
I think you believe, as I do, that another inexperienced president is worse than another republican president. I don’t think Obama will put you on the ticket with him- thankfully. I would not want you to be his VP – I would rather see you be Mccain’s VP. Obama does not have the experience needed to pull this country out of mess GW got us into. If you help him by being on his ticket, I believe it could injure your reputation. I don’t think I could vote for it, in good conscious. His connections are too shady and his naive approach to foreign policy is scary. I have always vote democrat, but if he is the nominee, I will leave the party, as I don’t feel it is representing the values of the base. Obama and his supporters are very scary to me – they use the race card, character assassinations, voter fraud and intimidation. It reminds me so much of GW’s campaign. I cannot vote for him for any reason, just like I could not support GW.
FINALLY- I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPURTUNITY TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK YOU SHOULD DO, BUT I WILL TRUST IN YOUR APPROACH, AS I BELIEVE YOU WILL DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS COUNTRY. YOU ARE BRAVE, STRONG, SMART AND CARING- ALL THE QUALITIES I WANT IN A PRESIDENT. I THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE AND ALL YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DO TO ENSURE ALL AMERICANS ARE ABLE TO LIVE UP TO THEIR GOD GIVEN POTENTIAL.
Posted by: Andrea | June 3, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Sorry. BO didn’t clinched anything tonight and that’s why she didn’t congratulate him.
As you know, Super Delegates mean NOTHING until August. Why doesn’t the MSM tell the people the TRUTH about the nominating process?
Hillary’s going to Denver, so the MSM has until August to trash her. That should make you all ecstatic! We know how much you all adore Bill and Hill.
Posted by: Vickie | June 3, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
I’d applaud Obama for not giving up at this point as well. Superdelegates are fickle and can change their vote. A lot can happen between now and August. She should stay in!
Posted by: Rosemary | June 3, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!
has won the nomination its all over hillary! Lets rebuild the party little lady!
Posted by: bhrandon | June 3, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Wonderful points Linda!! All reasons we support Hillary!
Posted by: Rosemary | June 3, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
“We will hire teachers and give them the pay they deserve”
“We will force oil companies to spend their record profits”
Barack Hussein Obama – St. Paul, MN
What a COMMUNIST!
Since WHEN in the history of the USA is the Federal Government in charge of hiring teachers and paying their salaries???
Since when in the history of the USA does the Federal Government TAKE profits from PRIVATE companies and spend as they see fit???
Obama is a true communist!
I knew he had more to his “change” than what he led his mindless sheep to believe.
Posted by: Guardian | June 3, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
LINDA!
That is a FANTASTIC, fact loaded post! I’m sure you made a few Obama supporter’s heads explode with all those FACTS. They REALLY hate facts.
Thanks for posting that!
Posted by: Vickie | June 3, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
NEW SLOGAN/ BUMPER STICKER:
I believe that another inexperienced president (Obama) is worse than another Republican president (Mccain).
Posted by: Andrea | June 3, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
Wowzer. Linda just did to facts what Hillary is trying to do to the Democratic party. Which makes sense, I guess.
Posted by: Harley | June 3, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush’s 3rd term. Anyone who votes for him for whatever reason has blood on their hands.
Posted by: Anthony | June 3, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
Go Obama!
Posted by: Mikey | June 3, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
The word “change” was mentioned 468 times in his little speech.
Uhh….Um…..Change!…uh…..um…..uh……Change!….uh…..um…..uh…um…..
What a chimp!
Posted by: JJ | June 3, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
the super delegates do not vote until the convention correct? did i miss something? why is she suppose to congratulate him? so these would be endorsements that according to the rules they can change their mind until the convention.
Posted by: sonia trevino | June 3, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
hahaha Obama is the only candidate to break the 18 milion vote mark in any of the senarios for popular vote! lol
OBAMA the 18 MILLION VOTE MAN!
OBAMA 08 12
Posted by: Kate | June 3, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
CNN really sucks. This station has fallen far below Foxnews on trash talk. From Jeff to David Gogen, to Carl Bernstein, to Jack, Rolland Martin, Gloria Buger and so on. These people are nuseating to watch. I hope viewers boycott them in drove to teach them a lesson in objective journalism. CNN treatment of Hillary is like violently abusing your wife and demanding she apologize to you and not scream.
Posted by: Edd Banks | June 3, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Hillary gave the better speech tonight. She is the better candidate and she would be the better president. Regardless of what happens, I will not vote Obama–in 2008 or ever!
Keep it up Hillary!!!! We’ve got your back.
P.S. All you Obama supporters who claim to be worried about Hillary’s debt are really worried about your candidate”s viability (or lack thereof). Despite out-spending her 3 or 4 to one, he has lost more contests and most of the votes since the beginning of March, when the public started to get to know him. He lost SD by 12 points AFTER it was reported this morning that she would concede tonight! Pathetic.
Obamabots: follow Obama’s proclaimed “moral compass.” It leads to Reverand Pfleger. But when you relinquish your 401(k)s, please flush the proceeds down the toilet. It’s a better destination than Obama has in mind for them.
NObama!
Posted by: Nancy | June 3, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Hillary gave the better speech tonight. She is the better candidate and she would be the better president. Regardless of what happens, I will not vote Obama–in 2008 or ever!
Keep it up Hillary!!!! We’ve got your back.
P.S. All you Obama supporters who claim to be worried about Hillary’s debt are really worried about your candidate”s viability (or lack thereof). Despite out-spending her 3 or 4 to one, he has lost more contests and most of the votes since the beginning of March, when the public started to get to know him. He lost SD by 12 points AFTER it was reported this morning that she would concede tonight! Pathetic.
Obamabots: follow Obama’s proclaimed “moral compass.” It leads to Reverand Pfleger. But when you relinquish your 401(k)s, please flush the proceeds down the toilet. It’s a better destination than Obama has in mind for them.
NObama!
Posted by: Nancy | June 3, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Senator Clinton is amazing in her ability to hold her head up high while demonstrating absolutely NO CLASS. None.
Posted by: Nashville_fan | June 3, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
That was a great speech that she gave tonight. She looked proud and defiant.
Posted by: Mack | June 3, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Yava Lem wrote:
I have already sent Hillary my suggestions for her to consider, and I encourage other supporters to do the same. Think Nominee, or Independent. If neither, then McCain.
————————-
I hope you’re sending tips on how to make up her $31 million campaign debt!
Posted by: Pembleton | June 3, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
TOMJOAD…
you totally beat me to it. im a conservative(noticei didnt say republican), and i couldnt agree more. with all of the mistakes(cowardly) made by republicans as of late, this should be a no contest election. im not saying by any means is the countries problems all the republicans fault, but seriously. it would have been sooo easy, with proper planning, do get the “mindless” american population to vote democrat again!!! instead, they nominate an inexperienced, black senator??!! seriously?! and im not playing the race card, believe me. im stating the facts. america IS ready for change. but cmon. do you think the average american is going to go THAT far left??!!1 not a chance in hell. but, i do have to congratulate the guy for fooling all the dems and lefties.(like its hard to blow smoke up a liberals ass.. lol)
Posted by: tim | June 3, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
Obama and his paid “spiritual advisors” are the ones without any class. After the disgusting things they said about her(I’m sure Obama and Michelle got a chuckle out of it), she’s supposed to congratulate the empty-suit? She should spit in his face.
Posted by: Mack | June 3, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
HA HA HA!
The faces of those pundits! The dismay of the Obamalemmings!
Too funny!
That’s my girl!
NOOOOO-bamah
Posted by: heff | June 3, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Where’s Jake getting his news? Per actual transcript of her speech – note 2nd and 3rd paragraphs CONGRATULATING OBAMA. ( As usual, lies spread faster than the truth. )
…
Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you all so much. Thank you, and thanks so much to South Dakota. You had the last word in this primary season, and it was worth the wait.
I want to start tonight by congratulating Senator Obama and his supporters on the extraordinary race that they have run.
Senator Obama has inspired so many Americans to care about politics and empowered so many more to get involved. And our party and our democracy is stronger and more vibrant as a result. So we are grateful.
And it has been an honor to contest these primaries with him, just as it is an honor to call him my friend. And, tonight, I would like all of us to take a moment to recognize him and his supporters for all they have accomplished.
Posted by: Steph | June 3, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Harley:
BO is not the nominee. That’s a fact. Hillary leads in the popular vote and in a GE match up SHE is the ONLY Democratic candidate that beats McCain…McCain CRUSHES BO….THOSE are facts. BO cannot and will not win in November. I live in the reality based world. You need to join me. It’s much better up here!
Posted by: Vickie | June 3, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Why does she care about a VP nomination to nowhere? He can’t win, and she knows it.
Posted by: Mack | June 3, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
Bill is just praying she gets the veep
gig. She’ll be tied to desk and protocol
duties. This frees him up to jump a
Burkle jet anytime, to pursue…….
his “dreams”. It’s good to be the king.
Posted by: hombre | June 3, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Linda – just because you list several issues and call them FACTS does not make them so:
ONLY FACT THAT IS IMPORTANT: Everybody knows that for both parties rules that none of the delegates for either party – pledged, elected, super – do not have a vote until the convention. However, everybody knows how delegates are awarded by state for each party. Whenever a candidate reaches the majority established by the party, that candidate is the de-facto nominee. period. It has ALWAYS been that way and still is. Obama and McCain have both reached those milestones and are both the nominees of their party. FACT
Posted by: Indycvs | June 3, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
barack obama cannot win the presidency without Hillary and her supporters and he knows that.I would advise her to not accept the VP slot. Take it to Denver, Hillary! You’re the best!
Posted by: brigitte | June 3, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
I love how, although Ted Kennedy took his nomination fight all the way to the convention and tried to steal all Jimmy Carter’s delegates right there at the convention, nobody said he was “pathetic” or “rude” or anything else. But Hillary does it and, oh, it’s such a terrible thing.
More sexism from the media and the ObamaWhiners. Which is why your candidate will lose in November — we’re not voting for him.
If Hillary is smart, she’ll run as an independent and whip both Obama and McCain’s butts. And she has the support to do it, too.
Posted by: Brian W. | June 3, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
I think Hillary didn’t concede tonight because, when she spoke, Obama had not officially crossed the majic mark….he was just PROJECTED to do so soon. Conceding before any kind of official tally would have been a slight to her staff, volunteers, and supporters….certainly THEY wouldn’t want her to give up until it was official that she had lost. And she refused to “make any decisions” tonight because she was still in negotiations with the Obama camp, and hasn’t received the kind of guarantees from them (help with paying off campaign debt, a possible place in Obama’s administration) that she’s looking for. Everybody lighten up…this political stuff is a game of deal-making with protocols that must be followed in a certain way. It’ll all shake out soon.
Posted by: Jimmy | June 3, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
What is wrong with u people?! This is not about obama or Hillary nor about me or u! Its about WE the people ..no matter the nominee. Please people for heavens sake! for our children and grandchildren lets fight the Mc cant war together! Lets get our country BACK and stop being negative..lets go it on!
Posted by: Sandy | June 3, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
I agree that what Hillary said tonight was not that shocking. She said she would not concede tonight and she did not. Everybody seems to be up in arms that she did not concede tonight. I thought her speech was great, I thought Obama’s was awesome, and I thought John McCAin’s was weak. Let’s give the Clinton’s time to wind it down, and start talking to Obama so that they can unite the party. Take it easy, we still have almost three months to the convention.
Posted by: Indycvs | June 4, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am
CNN is another network with a problem. Their web site called Montana for Obama 2 minutes after the polls closed, with not one stinking vote posted anywhere on their site, including on the county tables, because I checked. No figures at all appeared until 10:15 PM, yet they declared for Obama. This stinks.
But they sure waited to call South Dakota for Clinton.
No bias there, right?
Posted by: Yavo Lem | June 4, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
lisa i never suggested that hillary go independent.
Posted by: sonia trevino | June 4, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
sonia, I apologize. I posted to you by mistake.
Posted by: lisa | June 4, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
Rock on Hillary! You owe Obama NOTHING. Obama owes YOU an apology. Obama owes Bill Clinton an apology. Obama owes all Americans an apology for being a fraud. The Dems would be really, really foolish to nominate an unqualified and unelectable Obama.
Take it to the floor of the DNC convention Hillary where you can still prevail. The delegates are not really “pledged” to anyone and can vote however they wish. Their job is to nominate the most electable candidate and that candidate is and shall remain Hillary Rodham Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s Hillary or McCain. Country first, party second. Patriotism matters.
Stick it to the Democratic National Committee, they deserve it after failing to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism and voter disenfranchisement practiced by Obama and the entire MEDIA! In fact, the Democratic party is complicit in disenfranchising voters. 1/2 vote? 1/2 person? It calls to mind the old Jim Crow laws when blacks were considered 3/4 a person. THIS is even worse!! We can’t condone such disrespect to democracy!
Visit womenforfairpolitics.com and sign the petition to encourage Hillary to take it to the floor of the DNC convention and appeal the travesty of the DNC Rules and Bylaws committee last Sat.
Thank you!
Posted by: J | June 4, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
Fagobama – Obama is not my savior, I am doing fine all by myself, but he is by far the best candidate we have for the presidency in 2008. The funny thing is, Obama has done so well because Hillary and Bill totally under-estimated how tough he is. I hope McCain does the same, but either way McSame is toast. BTW, I have read Obama’s books, I am from Illinois, I know all about Obama, his policies, accomplishments, etc. so you can save all your proselytizing to someone who is actually ignorant.
Posted by: Indycvs | June 4, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am
Vickie:
Are you sure you were responding to my post, and not someone else?
I am in no way suggesting that Hillary give in to anyone.
There is no forgiving the way she has been treated, and whatever she DOESN’T do in the interst of party unity, is fine with me.
Posted by: SandyB | June 4, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
Thanks, Vickie. What I didn’t know being from downstate Illinois was the extent of Pfleger’s connection to Farrakhan. The Catholic church is in an uproar here. Is the MSM going to ignore this?
Posted by: RL in Illinois | June 4, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
Indycvs; hate to be a killjoy but the only reason obama was even known to the public was oprah. duh???? doesn’t anyone see or listen. The subpar of the earth is deciding this election. But what would I know, they took my MI vote for Hillary and gave it to BO.
Posted by: goose | June 4, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Tim,
Yes I agree. Of course Juan McBush is lying through his false teeth when he talk’s about illegal immigration. And he will have a Dem congress to work with.
Posted by: tomjoad1776 | June 4, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Indycvs-If you are truely from Illinois you would know Obama has no policies or accomplishments.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | June 4, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Someone tell me which part of her speech is so classless? The part where she congratulates and recognizes Obama and his accomplishments? Or is it the part where she addresses her supporters and thanks them? Or perhaps the part where she says she’s committed to making sure the Dems win the WH in Nov? Or is it the part where she talks about working to get out Iraq, improve the economy, create universal health care, (re)establish America’s global position? Or the part where she again thanks the voters, her staff and supporters, her family et al?
Posted by: Kaffeen | June 4, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Indycvs:
Where have you been the last year? There will be no “uniting” the party. 50+ % (women did = faithful, RELIABLE Democratic votes) of its voters are leaving it! What, do you really think women are not serious about voting for McCain? Women are tired of being treated like Cr%P and I, for one, am not taking it anymore.
“Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”
It’s best you men heed that quote. Women are FINISHED with the Democratic Party.
And may I suggest to knock off the “unity” cr%p? It’s bull and we are not “uniting” with a bunch of hateful, misogynistic, vile Obama supporters.
Posted by: Vickie | June 4, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
you know, i guess i dont really understand why so many people are saying “obama mistreated hillary”, or vice versa?! how did he really mistreat her in the campaign?! i mean, your going to take THE CLINTONS side of the fact of being moral?! seriously people?! the clintons have publically and privately trashed HUNDEREDS if not THOUSANDS of people!!! did all of you hillary supporters just start following politics now?! this campaign was just two politicians doing ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING they thought they could do to get elected. the sooner you democrats realize this, the sooner you MIGHT have a chance at winning in november. NONE of these, or any canidate for that matter, are perfect. you have to quit “standing by your man” so much. look at the big picture. ALL POLITICIANS ARE LIARS AND SCUMBAGS. well, most of them anyways.
Posted by: tim | June 4, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
Debra–
I have always said, the majority of people are a little left or right of center, but its the extremists that get all bent out of shape. Of course this loooonnngg primary has allowed the respective camps to get too emotionally invested in our candidates. It will be interesting see how this pans out.
I will say, my circle of friends come from all camps: Obama’s, Hillary’s, McCain’s and a few Paul’s as well and we all get along smashingly.
So Debra, I raise a toast to you, just because you are engaged enough to make a comment on a political blog! :)
Posted by: Ed S | June 4, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
goose, McCain is not a shoe in. And go to Obama’s website to learn what he stands for. It is the same as Hillary’s because they are both dems and have the same policies. McCain won’t win this. I am sick of the republican policies, aren’t you.
Posted by: lisa | June 4, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
lisa: can’t stant republicans but it shows in exit polls that obama Will Not win against mccain. Especially when every Clinton site I’ve been on for 3 months say that if she doesn’t cinch nomination they will vote for McCain.
Posted by: goose | June 4, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
TOMJOAD…
yeah, we can pretty much guarantee NOTHING at all will be done about our borders anytime soon. unless we “unfortunately” get attacked again. how soon americans forget.
Posted by: tim | June 4, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
goose, the only way Hillary was in this race was because her last name was Clinton. And you can’t dispute that fact.
Posted by: lisa | June 4, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
I just went to Hillary’s website and sent my comments that she do what her gut tells her to do….but my gut says I could never support Obama, even if she were VP.
Posted by: Debra | June 4, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
goose things change and polls change. We have 5 months to go, so let’s see what happens.
Posted by: lisa | June 4, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
Lisa: exactly: she had the experience and backing.
Posted by: goose | June 4, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
Fagobama – Obama has proved he’s tough in this campaign to standing up to all the political attacks and fighting back. I mean, Obama pulled some shrewd political moves during this campaign, including stealing the thunder from Clinton whenever she could. The guy lived and worked on the South side of Chicago for several years. He spent several years in Indonesia (dirt poor) when he was young. His father at the time taught him how to survive on the streets. Believe me, this guy is a fighter. BTW, where are you from in Illinois – I am from a small rural farm town North of Danville? Everybody I know is voting or voted for Obama. They are mostly Republicans, though, which I am not. I was just pointing out that I was from Illinois because I know Obama is more then just a great speech, as his critics like to think.
Posted by: Indycvs | June 4, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
look at it from a common sense aspect people. why WOULD clinton supporters vote for obama?! take the partisan b.s out of the picture. she has more in common with mccains ideas than obamas? therfore, it should be common sense to vote for her instead of him.
Posted by: tim | June 4, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
I like the “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” and there are millions of Hillary supporters that feel scorned.
I also like “tell me who you are with and I’ll tell ya who you are”…Michelle, Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Farrakhan, Pfleger” and so it goes. Anymore skeletons going to come out of Obama’s closet and do the Reps. already have the rumored tape with “whitey” comments?
Posted by: Debra | June 4, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am
cvs…
being a “good man” and a die hard leftist are two totally different things. all you have to do is look at what he has voted for in the past. the people he is associated with over the years. THAT tells you who he really is. bottom line.
Posted by: tim | June 4, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
RL in Illinois:
Yes. The Republican have the tape and one news network has it. They refuse to air it until BO is the candidate. It’s their October surprise to destroy BO.
EXCEPT, Bob Beckel, BO shill on Fox, said this morning that he has been convinced by people he knows well that the tape is real, does exist and is VERY BAD and the tape is coming out tomorrow. I’ll believe it when I see it. IF a Democrat got lucky and got their hands on it, then we’ll see it. Beckel also said that if the tape comes out, Hillary will be the nominee…that’s how bad it is. Of course our MSM is covering it up.
I’m in Illinois too. Hi! ~~~~~waving~~~~~
Posted by: Vickie | June 4, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
Indycvs. til he was raised by his white mother in Hawaii and went to his elitist schools. poor baby.
Tim: Agreed, well said
Posted by: goose | June 4, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
The Democratic Party is staying up at night devising ways to lose the general election. I’ve never seen anything like this. Obama cannot and will not win. Hillary was the front runner a year ago, and continues to hold the position of the “electable” candidate –regardless of the Super Delegates. Just look at the primaries and votes. The Dems have once again shot themselves in their collective feet.
Posted by: BorderBB | June 4, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
DENVER WILL NOT HAPPEN. AS OF THIS AFTERNOON, HER MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS WERE EMBRACING THE REALITY OF OBAMA AS NOMINEE.
MY ADVICE TO CLINTON? LICK YOUR WOUNDS AND MOVE ON.
DON’T THINK YOURSELF MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU REALLY ARE – YOU’LL BE IN FOR A RUDE SHOCK WHEN THE TRAIN LEAVES WITHOUT YOU AND GETS TO ITS DESTINATION ANYWAY.
Posted by: Amelia | June 4, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
Indy: thank you I will. Knowledge is power and I REALLY want to reason to vote democratic as I have done all my life.
Posted by: goose | June 4, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Michele Obama and Hillary will never ever get along,and so no matter if shes trying for V.P. or what she wont get picked. Michele Obama wont stand for it. Its just that simple.The rift will widen and Mccain will easily defeat Obama to keep the country on course. The Obama mantra of four more years of the same thing wont be enough to stop the Mccain arguement that Obama has no experience and is a far left liberal out of touch with the country.
Posted by: Steve | June 4, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
Jackie – I am an Obama supporter and agree with your last post (except for the MI comment). Come on, let’s not rush things here. GE is still 5 months away. Let things work themselves out. All Democrats chill.
What Obama supporters should be concentrating on is to what an historic night this was for the United States. I did not think we would actually nominate an African-American for president in my lifetime. Obama and Hillary are both great and historic candidates.
Posted by: Indycvs | June 4, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
nah…. i like all you democrats fighting better. more drama. keep it up dems!!!!!!
Posted by: tim | June 4, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
Hillary WE NEED YOU!
today was one of the sad days i’ve ever seen. Media pushed the super delegates to ‘declare’ for obama. Not to VOTE. Not consider the VOTE of 18 Million Americans. Not to consider the strong coalition you put together. Not to consider the powerful electorate map that you have crafted. But to ‘declare’.
The pundits knew that this is a democratic process designed to end at the Convntion.
They knew that obama did not have sufficient pledged delegate to win. They knew that you weer going to deliver yet another big victory tonight.
Now, we ask you to deliver on your promise. If you truly believe that every vote counts. If you truly believe that every vote should be counted. If you are as true to those beliefs as you made us believe then, you MUST stand and fight this to the end that has been designed by the democratic process.
It is not over until everyone gets an opportunity to VOTE. it’s not over until you have an opportunity to make your case in front of the entire Convention!
We stand with you all the way – we got your back!
Posted by: Average Joe | June 4, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
When I hear Hillary, I think of the cult leader Jim Jones and his blinded followers who drank the laced drink. God help us. Why is she allowed to spread her venom?
Posted by: Jocelyn | June 4, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
Jocelyn,
You have it backwards dear.
Posted by: om | June 4, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
ahhhh you people sound ridiculous!!!! this is great!!!
Posted by: tim | June 4, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Hillary, suspend your campaign, and stand by and watch the wheels fall off of the “yes we can” express.
Posted by: Mack | June 4, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Wes Clark floats Obama-Sebelius
Wes Clark stopped out in Texas yesterday to drop by a fundraiser Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius headlined for Michael Skelly, a Democrat running for congress in Texas.
Clark introduced Sebelius and, according to a regular correspondent and reliable source who was there, said:
“The London odds-makers say that Kathleen Sebelius is the odds-on favorite to be the next vice
president. I can tell you, she’d make a great vice presidential choice.”
He then introduced her as “The next vice president of the United States….”
Sebelius is typically considered for the slot only if Obama is the nominee.
A sign of the times from a Clinton loyalist.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Wes_Clark_floats_ObamaSebelius.html
Who is Sebelius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius
Posted by: Kate | June 4, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Guess what? This isn’t an election, it’s a way for the parties to choose a candidate. You can’t complain about disenfranchisement, because you never had the right to vote for who you want for your party.
The parties could select candidates with coin flips, just an example, but they get to choose any way that they see fit. I think it’s time for the two party system to be over, but in the meantime I’m voting democrat. No one isn’t saying that you can’t write in Hillary on November, but you need to understand that the reason she ran is to get democratic goals accomplished, not to be the “first woman president.” Running for that reason alone would be selfish.
In all of her counts, she doesn’t count caucuses, so they are obviously flawed, because each delegate at my caucus and most across my stat were worth about 15 people (15 people to 1 delegate ratio). It’s over, she can’t win, but she could be a party pooper and split the ticket and run as an independent, but if McCain get’s to keep sending young men & women to the slaughterhouse that is Iraq during his presidency because someone can’t follow party rules, she’ll never have a future in politics. It’s not about the person, it’s about what we as the party demand that they accomplish. They represent us, not the other way around. They are ours, we don’t belong to them.
Posted by: Paul | June 4, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
Steve @ 12:50…you got it dead on. President McCain sounds so All American doesn’t it? GOD BLESS AMERICA, not Kenya, not Indonesia, not Afghanistan, not any other place Obama is tied to.
Posted by: Debra | June 4, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Might as well pick a symbolic VP, because neither one of them will every see the inside of the White House.
Posted by: Mack | June 4, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
Just for the record:
Obama, like McCain is the “presumed’ nominee.
Neither party will have a “confirmed nominee” until after the first ballot of the respective conventions.
Many of the numbers being used are simply hypotheticals. Some states like Texas, for instance, have not even officially determined their delegate allotments, and will not do so until the coming Saturday.
Much could and may transpire over the next couple of months to alter expectations.
Still a long way from a done deal, especially for Obama!
Posted by: Mike | June 4, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Indycvs-If I have to tell you that, You weren’t paying attention. There are many reasons. I have followed this election for what 15/16 months now. He still hasn’t convince me and my family at all.
Posted by: Fagobama | June 4, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Anyone remember the SNL skit from last month with Amy Pohler in the role of Hillary saying: “I am a sore loser”?
Tonight speeches certainly reminded me of this with Obama being extremely gracious, and Hillary refusing to play by the rules and not accepting her defeat.
In the end she looked rather small.
Posted by: Lance D. | June 4, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
Hillary WE NEED YOU!
today was one of the sad days i’ve ever seen. Media pushed the super delegates to ‘declare’ for obama. Not to VOTE. Not consider the VOTE of 18 Million Americans. Not to consider the strong coalition you put together. Not to consider the powerful electorate map that you have crafted. But to ‘declare’.
The pundits knew that this is a democratic process designed to end at the Convntion.
They knew that obama did not have sufficient pledged delegate to win. They knew that you weer going to deliver yet another big victory tonight.
Now, we ask you to deliver on your promise. If you truly believe that every vote counts. If you truly believe that every vote should be counted. If you are as true to those beliefs as you made us believe then, you MUST stand and fight this to the end that has been designed by the democratic process.
It is not over until everyone gets an opportunity to VOTE. it’s not over until you have an opportunity to make your case in front of the entire Convention!
We stand with you all the way – we got your back!
Posted by: Average Joe | June 4, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am
“What does Hillary want?’
That was a great speech. She was happy, the crowd loved her there. Great ending of the primary season, especially for her supporters.
Dems don’t want her, their loss. VP of Obama? NO.
Posted by: magda | June 4, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
What are the options of Hillary running as an independant candidate? She might be able to pull an upset win as an independant. I think she should seriously consider it. It almost looked like whole democratic establishment is ga-ga over Obama and forgot a very important fact that women got the right to vote and part in political process later than African-American men. Clinton or not, she is a woman and it might be very long time before a stong female candidate emerges on the political landscape.
Posted by: Kris Bandaru | June 4, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
What are the options of Hillary running as an independant candidate? She might be able to pull an upset win as an independant. I think she should seriously consider it. It almost looked like whole democratic establishment is ga-ga over Obama and forgot a very important fact that women got the right to vote and part in political process later than African-American men. Clinton or not, she is a woman and it might be very long time before a stong female candidate emerges on the political landscape.
Posted by: Kris Bandaru | June 4, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Hillary Clinton is POLITICAL EVIL. She does not even have the character or decency to acknowledge the history making nomination of an African-American. Incredible!
The woman does not have the character to be anywhere near the highest levels of government. Obama has made a mistake in kissing her behind for several weeks now. He shouldn’t be surprised at what he got in return.
I am highly offended at her for this power-stunt. I cannot support an Obama/Clinton ticket.
Posted by: Patriot0259 | June 4, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
Hillary the race is over , it is time for the democratic party to come together . Hillary you ran a good race but now it is time for all democrats to come together to defeat McCain and his Bush polices . If your own the ticket or not you can help Obama make a change for the better for our economy and our nation .
Posted by: justright | June 4, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am
i feel satisfied that hillary didn’t concede tonight. being nice is being weak. obama is being nice is being weak. like carter was being nice but he was weak.
Posted by: hannah | June 4, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am
18,000,000 that’s 6 zeros! If Obama does not choose her for VP, more than half of us will stay home or vote for McCain. That’s a fact, Jack! Without Hillary on the ticket he doesn’t stand a snowballs chance.
Posted by: Becky | June 4, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
Becky your sort of arrogance and misplaced self-assurance are the reason Hillary lost the nomination.
Fortunately, Obama doesn’t assume anything. He plots and outwits regardless…
Posted by: Ida | June 4, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
It has been good theatre, but they wanted to hand him the nomination much earlier, and she wanted to play the game, but the real game is the Party’s. The Party is the boss.
It’s like that.
Hillary, you did well. But that’s politics. It’s all about power. And your power of determination is not enough. The machine runs the world.
Your strategy was battleground and his is delegates grasp. He is the man of the Party. The party gives him all the delegates needed.
It’s nice to dream a little bit, believing in human courage.
I am disappointed by the superdelegates who supported you. Why do they remain silent?
I always believe that time reveals lots of things. If you had stepped out much earlier like they wanted you to do, there would not be anything to say, but here they can’t deny that you have drawn a lot of supporters.
Now till November time will work. And other things will speak for themselves.
Posted by: jane | June 4, 2008, 2:51 am 2:51 am
Is it possible that Hillary is planning to run as a 3rd candidate, with the idea tha she can beat both candidates?
Posted by: Mark Treitel | June 4, 2008, 2:57 am 2:57 am
Mark, how on earth would that happen?
Is she going to fund that effort with soil?
The lady is in debt!
Posted by: Paul | June 4, 2008, 3:05 am 3:05 am
If Obama would have miss spoken on an event like having to dodge sniper fire ; the media would have ran him clean out of the race . Hillary said it and little was mention about it but Obama would have said that it would have been a blatant lie . Obama ex-pastor said what he said and the media ran it for weeks on end . Hillary got the better media coverage especially by Foxs News .
Posted by: justright | June 4, 2008, 3:08 am 3:08 am
Justright – you are forgetting all the help she got from Limbaugh’s get the vote out for Clinton campaigns.
Only McCain has survived with no media scrutiny. THAT MCCAIN MEDIA HONEYMOON IS OVER.
Posted by: Grace | June 4, 2008, 3:20 am 3:20 am
re: Hillary as 3rd independent candidate, although Hillary is in debt, as JPT has pointed out she did not concede, nor congratulate Obama. Although I am an ardent Obama supporter, she still did win an election tonight. Granted she may not have the cash, but if she went this far and has rewritten the rules after the fact, it’s not impossible for her pull this. In general, Obama’s speech really was awe inspiring. Hopefully, others will finally listen.
Posted by: Mark Treitel | June 4, 2008, 3:20 am 3:20 am
re: Limbaugh, I heard Limbaugh Monday morning, and Limbaugh was riling up Clinton supporters. It’s very clear what he was doing and quite effectively. However, even McCain is moving away from a Bush presidency, so how close is he going to court Limbaugh voters? Is the era of conservative talk radio over?
Posted by: Mark Treitel | June 4, 2008, 3:23 am 3:23 am
Offical number DNC:
Popular Vote
Obama 17,389,253
Clinton 17,364,667
Thats without caucus states !
with
Obama 17,745,430
Hillary 17,616,750
Obama won the most states:
Obama won 34-20
He will be the POTUS
He won fair and sqaure !
Some more numbers:
Obama 2136.5
Hillary 1915.5
Delegates
Posted by: Kate | June 4, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am
I know many of these posts are “in your face” but I think Obama supporters should now take the high road in their comments versus Hillary and McCain.
What makes Obama inspiring is his positive message and excellent oratory skills.
Perhaps the divisive politics should end, not that people shouldn’t be able to freely express their opinions here, but the name calling definitely is not healing any rifts.
Posted by: Mark Treitel | June 4, 2008, 3:34 am 3:34 am
Mark T on healing rifts: I hear you.
A week in politics changes much.
Good night.
Posted by: Ben | June 4, 2008, 3:42 am 3:42 am
The promising Dem race has turned into one bloody hell of a terrible nightmare.
Posted by: Maria | June 4, 2008, 3:55 am 3:55 am
All you Obama followers will get a rude awakening when the republicans start on your guy. They have a dump truck of dirt that the RNC has been collecting. Hillary is staying in because she is savy enough to know it’s coming.
Posted by: Bec | June 4, 2008, 5:43 am 5:43 am
If Obama wants to win, it’s Hillary as VP. Otherwise, he looses about 1/2 the Hillary supporters. If she is on the ticket, I hold my nose and vote for him, if not, it’s McCain, the lessor of two evils.
Posted by: Rita | June 4, 2008, 5:59 am 5:59 am
IF HILLARY IS ON THE TICKET, I’LL VOTE FOR OBAMA, OTHERWISE IT’S MCCAIN. AS I ALWAYS SAY, “DEMOCRATS WITH A BRAIN WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN!”
Posted by: Eric | June 4, 2008, 6:37 am 6:37 am
Obama is not OFFICIALLY THE NOMINEE UNTIL Denver. Alot can happen between now and august. Like a verdict in the Rezko trial. Who knows maybe rezko will sing a different tune after he is convicted.
Posted by: Really | June 4, 2008, 6:55 am 6:55 am
“What would be your guidance?”
HRC should stand back and watch the train wreck, then run against President McCain in 4 years.
In any event, this is one Hillary Clinton supporter who will NOT be voting for Barack Obama in November (and I will be voting).
Judging from the comments here and on Politico, I am not alone.
Posted by: Stephen Gianelli | June 4, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am
If Obama fails Hillary will have no future in the party !
Posted by: Kate | June 4, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am
The thing is, the SDs were needed for “either” of them to win and those aren’t binding. Despite the media’s declarations, this race is razor close and Obama could screw up between now and August (or god forbid the now infamous “tape” of Michelle could surface). If Hillary’s not there, then what does the DNC do?
The DNC should make a deal with HIllary now. The fact that she isn’t conceding, shows they haven’t, and that is their fault.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | June 4, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am
If I were HRC, I would never give endorsement to OB. I would only demand for VP that OB would never offer. So, I divide the DM Party and let Mc win. Thus, my chance to come back in 2012 is maximized (at least to my understanding).
Selfish? YES. IT IS. But, this is the country is designed for. We are supposed to be SELFISH. Is OB selfish? Clearly, it is. Otherwise, he would offer VP to me immediately.
Posted by: LookingFun | June 4, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am
“What would be your guidance?”
Continue the fight!
Posted by: Ken | June 4, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
The woman who has purported herself to be the experienced candidate, the woman who could handle the middle of the night crisis call, now cannot make up her mind about what to do next? Is this leadership? I think not – and it shows why she did not win and would not be an asset as VP.
Posted by: Susanne | June 4, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Comments to this comment:
If Obama fails Hillary will have no future in the party !
Good to see someone has this sense: HRC could cause the failure of OB. But, I have to say, if OB fails in Nov, he would loss all his political asset just like Kerry. However, on the contrary, HRC would benefit greatly from OB’s failure. So, if OB is strong in politics, offer HRC VB immediately.
Posted by: LookingFun | June 4, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Al Gore and Hillary should run as third party. A real Independent party in this country is desperately needed. It would be a great movement.
This would be real change I could believe in away from the two-party dictatorship.
Posted by: Grace | June 4, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
I am with Whoppi — Hillary said me, me, me, I, I, I — unfortunately it’s typical Hillary no respect for herself so how can others have it. She had the chance to U-N-I-T-E the party and she chose a Bush move, stubborn!
I feel as the Change Candidate, Obama should not go for the Drama and pick a VP he can trust.
I am white, 64 and the mother of two girls and two granddaughters and Obama has been my nominee from the start –
Also, I am a bit curious as to where all of Hillary’s votes are coming from and if they will disappear come the general election.
Posted by: paulet | June 4, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm