Mark Penn Says Hillary Clinton’s Problem Was Money — Even Though She Raised More Than $225 Million

Its amazing how most supporters who say they’ll back Mccain as a protest against Obama fail to mention why.
Could it be that the idea of a black man becoming the president of the US scares you? lol
Think.
Given your current situation, $4 gas, food prices, and job losses, you’d vote for a 71 yr old, damn near senile man, with recurrent melanoma who can’t tell Sunnis apart from Shiats and has himself admitted to not knowing about the economy?
I swear to God, you’re all bunch of sad excuses for vote holders.
Old white men have ruled this nation since its founding fathers. Change.
OBAMA 08/12

Can’t Mark Penn just take the remaining money and shut up his big mouth???

I’m supporting McCain to send a message to the DNC so that we don’t ever get in a mess like this again. Shame on them for letting an inexperienced person get the nomination.

“Inexperienced” is the new “Black.” It’s as simple as that. Racism, disguised.
As for Mark Penn, his hugely inflated salary is a big part of the money woes the Clinton campaign experienced, along with the salaries of his cohorts. The campaign spent money like the primary season would be over on Super Tuesday, and never recovered. Just part of the overall poor management of those overpriced hucksters. Can only blame Hillary in that she picked those guys and listened to them.
Well, Obama came along with a new strategy, and a much better focus on the long haul, with a relatively consistent message and little infighting — another huge contrast to the Clinton campaign! And now he’s the nominee!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

I am in total agreement with Todd and Wilson that misogyny was the tool to stop Hillary Clinton. But I agree with Knowledgeforreal below, that the dictatorial hand of Howard Dean was behind the strategy, that he is a radical product of the 60′s intent on taking this country toward the far left.
We don’t need social destabilization akin to what happened in the 60′s. While much was gained, much was lost as a consequence of what happened in that period. Citizens need to be engaged again in the process of democracy to make change happen, not rabble rising unrest.
Clintons for McCain.

Hillary was a better candidate than her campaign. Her disadvantage was 24/7 media villification. Her disadvantage was the DNC was complicit in disenfanchising HER voters in Michigan and Florida and elsewhere. Her disadvantage was the stupidity of the DNC giving meaningless caucus wins equal weight to critical, must win primary states that Hillary won BIG. Obama won NONE.
Obama is a lesser candidate than his campaign. His advantage was 24/7 glowing media coverage. His advantage was having DNC Chair Howard Dean on his team. His advantage was having access to an obscene amount of money. Follow the money trail and you find the answers you seek.
Hillary Clinton is clearly the better candidate. She proved she can win the big, must win states for the Dems in a general election. Hillary’s detailed grasp of domestic and international issues is unmatched.
The Democrats are foolish if they nominate an unqualified and unelectable Obama.
The Democratic party MUST be held accountable for their failure to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism and voter disenfranchisment continually interjected into this campaign debacle of 2008 by Barack Obama, his campaign, his nasty supporters and ALL MEDIA.
The Democratic party understands two things, money and votes. WE have the power to withhold BOTH. Do so. Put your country first and party second. Vote for McCain if the Dems fail to nominate Hillary Clinton at the DNC conventin in late August. The race is NOT officially over until the. Call the DNC, call the delegates and tell them you are not happy with their decisions.
If we don’t speak out now, WHEN?
**You must do the thing which you think you cannot do** Eleanor Roosevelt

I don’t think so.
The big roles on her lost are,
The DNC, SuperD’s,MSM

jackt51, please give it a rest with the new defintion of racism. Comments like yours make me and a lot of other people sick to their stomach of Barack Obama and his followers. Obama is part of a white hating racist church. Hillary Clinton and her husband have done nothing but help the black cause for over 20 years. You throw words like “racism” around like playing catch with your son in the backyard. The only candidate who “played the race card” was Obama and his supporters. But, because he is black, ANYONE WHO OPPOSED HIM OR HIS IDEAS IS A “RACIST”. You can give it a rest now, he is the nominee, you only make yourself look foolish with this ongoing campaign of yours.

I will vote for McCain not because I am upset that HC lost, but because he is a moderate Republican with a lot of experience who is not afraid to cross party lines to get something done. We need a moderate in the White House, not a right wing idiot like Bush, or a left wing fanatic like Obama. Hillary is a moderate Democrat, and would have fit the bill nicely. The last thing this country needs right now is another extremist as President, just look where it has gotten us since 2000. All of those of you who cry foul when people say they will vote McCain because Hillary lost have a lot of nerve questioning voters values and intelligence. There are many, many who are terrified of the idea of Obama becoming president because he is an EXTREME LIBERAL. There are a lot more “moderate Democrats” out there than there are liberals, trust me.

Penn also admitted to organization and a good opponent as being factors for he loss. He may or may not have been overpaid.
Clinton’s 225 million is a lot of money for a primary. Information as to how much Obama had is left out, so there’s no contrast.

“… Obama raised more than Clinton, no question. But Clinton’s problem was not “the money.” The money was there. How it was spent, and what it was spent on — including some high-priced consultants — well, that’s another issue.”
Considering the debt our nation is in at this time, this makes me all the more sure Obama has the type of KNOWLEDGE, know-how we need!

Money was a factor in many states with Obama consistently outspending HIllary double and even as much as five times. On the airwaves, that is significant.
Sexism was a huge problem with the MSM, the candiates, and the DNC.
The Rules Comm. was determined that Obama would be the nominee and damn the Rules!! No DNC rule allows the Committee to take delegates away from one candidate and deliver them to another. No DNC rule allows the Committee to deliver “uncommitted” delegates to any candidate. “Uncommitted” is a designated category according to the DNC Rules.
Obama was annointed, not elected.

Its so easy to blame media and DNC rules for her loss by clinton supporters. I do not blame the supporters themselves as the clintons themselves perpetuated lie this to mask their poorly run campaign.
Nobody complained about the media when in the whole of 2007 she was treated as the presumptive nominee, and everybody knew the rules of the game and signed off the rules before the primaries started.
Clintonites, please get a life!

“Sexism was a huge problem with the MSM”
Sexism does not drive one to vote against Clinton.
Another reason for Clinton’s lost. The Victim card.
There has been sexist comments said by the MSM and racist comments said by the MSM.
My belief is Clinton supporters are looking for anyone but Clinton to blame for her lost.
Obama’s the better candidate/campaigner.
The MSM does not have such a big effect has many of you claim. You give them too much power.
Both Obama and Clinton were victims of the MSM; Bosnia, Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson Bill comment, Pastor Pledger, NAFTA, Bitter-gate, Kennedy/Obama assasination etc.
Clinton lost b/c she underestimated Obama.

2012…That’s my plan.

justsaying
Perhaps if Bill Clinton had mentioned a candidate who was white and had lost, some people whould not have taken it that way! By using Jesse Jackson some felt he was essentially saying that “some other black guy won here and still lost”.
Does that answer your question?

Melissa…Throwing people under a bus is what Obama does best. I think he has Alzheimer’s or Dementia because he can never remember anything about them. He flip flops like with Wright and Rezko. Heck, he never even remembered meeting Auchi and yet Obama and Michelle both went to Rezko’s home and toasted Auchi. That came out at Rezko’s trial. Obama has been to Ayer’s home but says he barely knows him. This guy is too dangerous to trust with this country. Believe me! There are many, many reasons.

JRS
In the last 8 years McCain has voted along with George Bush 90% of the time. Exactly where has he crossed party lines? 10% out of 100 isn’t even HALF!
McSame, indeed! All of you who would vote for McCain should remember something. There are a lot of Republicans who are crossing over to vote for Obama so go ahead. I have the feeling they will off set the loss of some of you “so called democrats”

Yeah, Clinton’s campaign was so horrible that she got half the vote.

Time magazine commented that the problem early in Hillary’s campaign was that it was top-down rather than grassroots like the Obama campaign.

Tell that to the Clinton camp b/c earlier on in the primary season they agreed with Obama that whomever wons the pledge delegate should win the nomination. It’s when the Obama camp built an insurmountable lead in the pledge delegate they begain spinning every metric in the book.
Lets for the sake of arguement give Clinton the popular vote. We’ve learned in the 2000 election popular vote does not give one the presidency.
We had the magic number 2118 for reason.

Does anyone really care?
If you don’t give us something to blog about, and do not control the trolls who come on, somewhat, you will not have a blog for long.

carolyn
Why are you people still stuck on this church crap? If he was running for Pastor or Pope you might have an issue. The fact is that he’s running for President and that’s all that his supporters care about. By the way, while I do believe in God, I haven’t gone to church since I was a kid. I couldn’t care less about people who do. It’s your right but don’t expect the rest of us to get stuck in that quagmire!
Obama 08 – FOR PRESIDENT, NOT PASTOR!

JRS:
How can I stop referencing your racism when you are so blatant about it? You are so full of bull-pucky that it is truly annoying. Must watch faux news and get your talking points from Mark Penn!!! And he simply ran a better campaign than Hillary, thanks to Mark Penn and Company in large part. With an assist from Bubba!
There is nothing “racist” about Trinity UCC. It is a black church, which may be a bit foreign to you pasty guys, but not racist!
Sorry, but anyone who votes for McBush in November and claims to be a democrat or Clinton supporter, is just so full of crap that they should have themselves committed now and get it over with. Four more years of bush3 is not a good way to mourn your candidate’s loss.
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Obama supporters were not quick to call Bill comments racist. It was the media.
Wrong assumption, Obama is to blame for everything the media says/do

carolyn, how is McCain different from Bush when they have the exact same policies. He wants to continue the war and continue the Bush economic plan.

MONEY:
The article “where you were sleeping”, of May 27, 2008 indicated that Clinton had not money by Super Tuesday and Obama built his advantage in February with a net gain of 121 delegates while Clinton was raising money.
After February, Clinton got 53% of the votes winning 9 primaries versus Obama 47%, 4 primaries, 2 caucuses. However, Clinton got meaningless gain of delegates a per the DNC formula assigning delegates per previous turn out.
AFRICAN AMERICANS:
Based on the DNC formula, African American districts received up 3 times more delegates per voter. For instance, South Texas Hispanic districts received 8 delegates while Harris County, Texas, received 24 delegates with the same turn out.
Democratic primary was not like Mandela slogan: “One Person, One Vote”
MEDIA AND SEXISM:
No question. Obama has never done anything wrong as per the media.
ESTABLISHMENT:
Obama was the candidate of the establishment, but Clinton was wrongly described by the Media as such. For instance, Howard Dean gave to Obama all his Internet listing with young and anti-war voters when Dean was running his campaign in 2004.
RESULT:
Democrats has a wounded candidacy having problems among Hispanics, older voters, women, working class voters.

Angel
But he beat your candidate!

Many of the reasons expressed below are valid and probably did have an effect in Sen. Clinton not winning the election. To say that the caucuses were unfair may be true. But as I see it, the rules of the campaign — including the rules governing the caucuses — were there for each candidate to see, had they taken the time to read and understand the rules.
Sen. Clinton’s biggest mistake was probably expecting to have the nomination sewed up following the Feb 5th primaries. When that didn’t happen, she looked a lot like Big Brown yesterday — out of gas, nothing left. While it took her awhile she did eventually regroup. But that was not her first mistake. Her first mistake was to go along with the stripping of the FL and MI delegates. She should have fought for letting “all the votes count” from the very beginning. After having gone along with the sanctions, and then flip-flopping when it was to her benefit, that just proved that she was really only thinking of herself and not of the electorate when she finally decided to fight for the votes to count and the delegates to be seated.

carolyn, regardless of why the war was started, we are over there. And McCain will continue it just like Bush would. So how about the economy. Same economy with McCain.

The DNC needs to learn a lesson – big time. My vote for McCain will help ensure that this is accomplished. What where they thinking?

Kevinj…By the way reparations would cost trillions. Here’s the guy Obama copied on “Yes we can” slogan. This is the guy they regret electing due to lack of experience. He was a token I guess.

lisa I can’t vote for someone who will continue the Bush policies. That’s a simple fact. He’s experienced all right. He took Bush 101.

Think we should go to war with Iran and spend a few trillion there?
go ahead and vote for McCain.
Think the current admin’s economic policies are great?
go ahead and vote for McCain
Think uppity women have too many rights anyway?
go ahead and vote for McCain

John McCain – Another “experienced” Politician uses his Judgement on the War
“There’s not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along.” [MSNBC, 4/23/03]
“Because I know that as successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will be fairly easy,” [CNN, 9/24/02]
“We’re not going to get into house-to-house fighting in Baghdad.” [CNN, 9/29/02]
“But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” [MSNBC, 1/22/03]
“But I believe that the Iraqi people will greet us as liberators.” [NBC, 3/20/03]
“It’s clear that the end is very much in sight.” [ABC, 4/9/03]
“This is a mission accomplished.” [This Week, ABC, 12/14/03]
OLD DOES NOT MEAN WISE. McCain was in the BOTTOM 1% (795 of 800)of his class. He has made repeated miscalculations about the war. He has admitted that he doesn’t understand economics. So out of spite, you’ll vote for him anyway? That’s real smart thinking. Haven’t we had enough of moron GOP “yes men” running the country into the ground? Guess some folks don’t think so.
You go ahead, whine and take the “experienced” McBush. We’ll keep standing behind the smart guy and make him President.
Obama 08!

What a hoot!
Maybe she lost because you were an inept EXPENSIVE campaign manager! How many millions did she pay you? 10% of the money she raised?
Maybe her opponent ran a thrifty campaign on a shoestring and raised a boatload of money from small donors?
Hillary might be awful smart but obviously so is Obama – and he is a better manager for the country where we are now.
He’s the right person and the right time, and she isn’t. She’s the older generation and he is the next generation. He understands the internet and she didn’t.

There’s only one candidate who flew covert operations into hostile sniper filled territories.
Funny that heroics like that aren’t rewarded.

Angel
So losing is a way of life for you!
I’m glad you’re not voting for Obama!
The streak lives!
Obama 08

Racist would rather vote for McCain and see the country continue to go down the toilet than vote for Obama and see the country go forward. The world is watching America. Will we have respect or contempt for America from the world

I am a Black female who was 100% behind Hillary in the beginning. I began being swayed as I was…am smart enough to realize that most big changes happen when we the people are inspired and thus, demand change. I realized that Obama was the candidate to make that happen. If I had any doubt about my change, it was confirmed when even my young daughter was floored and dismayed that Hillary could & would LIE about sniper fire….I could not vote for a person without integrity.

If McCain isn’t Bush can you find one policy is which they differ?

Why do you people HATE Obama?
Posted by: Shar | Jun 8, 2008 10:36:19 I can answer that Shar. It’s because they’re jealous. Think about it. Obama is so totally together. He ran a fantastic campaign and it’s killing them. But if you’ll notice, all of the critisim is directed at people who he knows. It’s not the same personal critisims that we Obama supporters had about Hillary. She’s the one who’s seen as a liar and someone who refused at every turn to admit to any mistakes. I remember John Edwards apologizing for his vote on the war but not Hillary. She kept saying that she voted based on the information they were given. Well, no one was questiong that…they just wanted to hear her say that it was a mistake and she couldn’t even do that. After the Bitter comments, I recall Obama saying that he probably could have said it better and that it wasn’t the first and probably would not be the last time he said something that came out wrong. It made me like him even more after he said that. We’re all human and make mistakes…just not Hillary!

Thank you for your response Roxanne.
Obama is not perfect -but I never saw such sour grapes in my life. As much as now have no respect for the Clintons do-and-say-anything-to-win politics, I am not stupid enough to vote for McSame if Obama had lost. I would have not eaten all day and held my nose and voted for Hillary…for MY OWN best interests…pepople!!!

Let the finger pointing begin.

The process of selecting a nominee is exactly that: a selection, not an election. In the end, Senator Clinton is not the nominee because she was not selected by the required number of delegates.
So, then, how do you get the delegates? Well, by winning some in primaries and caucuses and also by convincing superdelegates that you are the best candidate. Mark Penn’s assertion of ‘not enough money’ is a pale attempt to veil his inadequacy in this campaign. Now, I’m not privy to the innards of the Clinton campaign, but I seriously doubt he was fighting hard for organizing for the caucuses – he probably that it was a waste of time and money. He was wrong; he should just admit that the strategy was flawed, that they served Senator Clinton poorly and move on.

I think it was Obama’s fault. He had a nearly flawless campaign.

No question that Obama has gained the nomination with his campaign tactics and by outspending more than 3:1 his opponents. The problem with Obama’s campaign is that his supporters dismiss his lies and tend to shoot the messenger by calling them racist. In May 2008 – Obama told voters that he has campaigned in 57 states, with “one left to go” He also said he is against NAFTA and then voted a few months ago to expand NAFTA. His campaign ads and materials, and his supporters have propagandized and misrepresented his opponents positions and facts. Obama has been ineffective in Illinois in getting anything done; and has been mislead into trusting folks like Rezko, Wright, Ayers – it’s unlikely that he will change.

In-fighting was key to the downfall. While Hillary’s team was eating each other alive. Barack was polishing off his caucus strategy.
I can’t believe why folks want to pin this on the media. I guarantee you if Barack’s team was at each other’s throat the media would reacted the same.

Robert can you rationally explain your reasons for punishing the DNC and voting for McCain.

Roxanne: Please take a look over your last couple posts and ask yourself if the candidate you support would agree with what you are saying. Although there are many thoughtful people on here, there are some just trying to antagonize the rest. Best is to ignore them and/or refute the claim simply by something your preferred candidate has said/done.

I think that hillary could have had 3x money she still would have not won. Her stategy was flawed from day one. She said herself that it would all be over by super tuesday. She was right. It was over for her.

In the Trinty Church which is a Black Liberation Theology Church, the Blacks are the CHOSEN PEOPLE. Senator Obama belonged to and believed in that church for 20 years and supported it with thousands and thousands of dollars. The only reason he resigned his membership was for political reasons. He does not want Americans to know the true teachings of his church or have media scrutiny. He did not formally reject the teachings of this church for himself or his family.

Robert – I agree the best approach given the DNC’s lack of qualified experienced nominee is to vote Republican. Although Hillary advised her supporters at least 15 times in her exit speech to support Obama, most of her supporters will decide based on who is best qualified. McCain is truly better qualified and a more moderate candidate. I think McCain’s age and experience are a plus. Reagan was older when he was elected and most of our founder Presidents were much older based on longevity at the time they were elected. There is a reason for why most corporate boardrooms and executive positions are filled with older experienced teams and leaders.

Jas
Yes, and look how well that’s turned out. The stock market plunged 400 points on Friday and unemployment jumped to 5.5 percent!
Yes, the Republicans are doing a bang up job. We’re deep in debt with China and thanks to Bill Clinton the trade agreement is such that their imports are wide open while our exports to their country are limited. If you’re going to vote for those clowns at least try to be more informed!

Robert I think you are so wrong. But vote McCain if you want to punish the party. But in reality you are only punishing this country. The republicans favor the rich. At least Obama wants to raise taxes on the rich. I guess you love this economy. I don’t, I’m hurting but McCain won’t care since he will continue the Bush policy. I asked this from someone else on here and didn’t get a reply. So tell me are you better off than you were 4 years ago. If so, good for you. But I am not and most of this country isn’t either.

Attentions McCain Supporters!
During his speech last Tuesday in New Orleans McCain chastised Bush for not getting down on the ground and seeing the damage first hand. What he didn’t tell you is that the reason Bush wasn’t there was because he was delivering a birthday cake to – that’s right JOHN MCCAIN. A few days later McCain went down to the Florida Everglades to give a speech on the environment. When he was asked by a reporter why he voted against a bill to clean up the Everglades she denied that he voted against it. One of his aids had to tell him that he had indeed voted against it. A couple of weeks ago, he stated that the troops in Iraq were down to pre-surge levels. When Obama stated that he was wrong he refused to admit it. When McCain was asked how many troops are currently in Iraq, he didn’t know that either. That’s when Obama said that anyone who is running for President of the United States shold know better.
DON’T TRY TO TELL US THAT THIS IDIOT IS MORE EXPERIENCED. HE’S JUST OLDER AND IT’S CLEARLY STARTING TO SHOW! I can’t wait for the debates. Obama is going to eat that old man’s lunch!

Obama’s pastor was his mentor and best friend for over 20 years. The religion was Black liberation theology.
Obama said his religion is in all he does.
Obama has incited racism, he has used it against people, and used it to get votes.
Ayers the terrorist, is obama’s friend for 20 years, early on he worked with him on the wood board, then later with Acorn, then ABC. It was more than a neighbor.
Obama has blamed everyone for everything.
Hillary and McCain for the war.
Bush for the war, and everything wrong in the country and the world.
He blamed the government for everything.
Just like rev wright.
Anything happened Obama blamed someone.
constantly through his whole campaign.
Only thing Obama never took responsibility for anything at all.
Obama’s assests are running for an office, voting present, and speeches.
Now his new slogan is to save the world. Is the presidency a stepping stone for his next campaign to rule the world.
He threw his grandmother under the bus, I am sure he would throw the country under a bus to accomplish ruling the world.
He is the biggest National Security threat this country has at the moment.
It is past time to wake up America.
This is your country and your lives at stake here. You best think long and hard before putting it into the wrong hands.
How many times did Obama lie to the American People?
I am sure there is a least five you can come up with with out thinking to hard about it. The list is long and growing every day.

Sally,
I ask, why do Clinton supporters blame Obama for the MSM coverages?

Sally
Are you aware that 70% of the women who hold office in this country have done so through nepotisim of some kind? Either through the death of their husbands or seats held by their fathers?
I’d say that if your married to or related to a man who holds public office, you’re a shoe in!

Vanessa, I saw the full Q&A venue you mention, and McCain had handled it pretty well, given it was asked by a female supporter of his, in a meeting a will all of his supporters. At this point, he was dearly trying not to p*ss off anyone. Yes, he could have chastised the woman for poorly wording her question and been more harsh with her. But Obama did worse. He did nothing to correct his supporters assumptions that he gave Hillary the half peace sign, and you overlooked Obama’s more outrageous behaviour. Check out the several youtubes on this, apparently he repeated his hand motions on several rally occassions to get a laugh at her expense.

I’m not a huge fan of affirmative action, but one thing Obama proposed is interesting: he has advocated affirmative action for the poor, regardless of race, and eliminating it for some of the rich (again, regardless of race). A non-racial affirmative action is an idea worth debating.

Marla the popular vote doesn’t get you nominated. It’s the delegate count that does. And why are you picking on Roxanne. What did she do. You really need to get over this. Hillary is not the nominee. Obama won this with our votes.

I think anyone who looks objectively at the facts can see that Clinton’s problem was not the money. One very big problem was Mark Penn’s strategy and message. There were other mistakes too. And there were many things Obama did very well. But Penn was outdone by David Axelrod. Anybody can see that.

Roxanne, are you asking why no root cause analysis was done about Hillary losing until now? There has already been much discussion on sexism and the plight of women. Remember Obama called Hillary a “whiner”. Hillary might have taken her candidacy to the DNC convention and worked all summer to get the supers into her corner, protested the caucus outcomes, which gave more delegates to Obama when the popular vote was for Hillary, and gotten Florida and Michigan seated like many suspected would eventually happen sooner rather than later or never -no thanks to Obama campaign.

Sally, Pew Charitable Trust – who is the only watchdog beholden to no one – found the opposite. Since February, when Clinton decided to go negative (I hope against her own judgement) media coverage has been overwhelmingly negative against Obama.
Back to the PP article. Mark Penn kept his day job as worldwide CEO of Burson Marsteller all though the Clinton campaign, which he ran into the ground. Why doesn’t he offer to retire her $10 million debt to him? He has plenty of money and all he did was cause her a world of hurt.

@Jas: Although it is generally held that the market drops in anticipation of a Democrat becoming President, this does not hold true for just receiving the nomination. Unless the market is thinking his election as President is a foregone conclusion – and that is by no means certain.
No, the problem is nobody is really sure how hard the recession will be. The numbers are looking like it will be bad, so corporate profits will be down. Usually bonds/commodities go up at times like this and that’s what we’re seeing.

“Old white men have ruled this nation since its founding fathers.”
So how did Warren Harding do?
He was black … our first genuine black president (aside from Clinton who was granted that title solely on the basis of love!)
Oops!
“Warren Harding is widely considered the worst President in American history. Financial impropriety was rampant …”
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!
But at least you’ve already HAD a black president.
Hillary Clinton was the better candidate but you done her in!
Unfortunately, in so doing, you also done the Dems in.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!!!

Voters need to read the five part article by Evelyn Pringle called “Curtain Time of Obama.” It has a total of about 60 pages written in the last few weeks giving detailed information about the Rezko and associates ties in the criminal case. Obama’s name is more than just mentioned. In fact another trial starts for Rezko in February. This article can be found on the net. I thought it was interesting with criminal minds working together. Now, I understand why Obama had people hanging around the courthouse. The FBI mole said that Rezko and Obama———.

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MIguy | Jun 9, 2008 1:20:49 AM:
Naah!
Harding was actually a Democrat who switched to the Republicans because the DNC was damaged even way back then!
(Just kidding ;-) )
But he IS considered to be the first Black President,

I supported Hillary Clinton for President. As an independent voter I find both the Democratic and Republican parties lacking. All this talk of unity for the Democrats takes away from voters making an intelligent choice based on the candidates themselves.
I see Obama as a mirror image of George Bush. Both have father issues that led to poor decisions/associations. Bush ran on being a uniter not a divider saying the problem was with the Washington insiders. Obama says the same thing. Bush was naive in invading Iraq and Obama is naive in his willingness to meet with the likes of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Bush attracted the far right of his party. Obama attracts the far left of his party. Just as the Bush presidency has been a disaster so would an Obama presidency at best.
Obama is passive-aggressive; he uses misdirection and is duplicitous on an Orwellian level. Obama would be dangerous as president. While there are many issues on which I disagree with McCain I will support him putting my own self interests aside for the greater good of the country.

What really turned me off with Hillary was her lack of a cohesive foreign policy. I mean she makes a corkscrew landing into Bosnia dodging sniper bullets all the while. Then she ducks into a hangar as she waits for transportation, still dodging sniper fire. Her biggest error is that the only backup she had was her then 12-year-old daughter, a comedian and a guitar player. Where in the world was the sax player?

Good nite!

even though i voted for hillary i am honest enough to admit that it was a democratic majority congress and democratic majority senate that has led this country into this mess. gwb did not cause this mess by himself. so please stop with the fear mongering about republicans.

Obama cannot and will not win without Hillary’s 18 million supporters. Well, that’s too bad. He should have thought about that this when his camp paid the media to keep bashing her head in even after she lost due to his racist and sexist tactics. Now he thinks he is going to use her to make him president? He’s going to be damned if he put her on his VP ticket and damned if he doesn’t because her supporters are joining to fix his ass. We are going to show him that 2008 was not his time to run. He should have stepped aside until
2012 or 20016. God does not like ugly. And Obama have some ugly ways about him and what the Dem.Delegation did is just as ugly to make him nominee when he did not earn it. We are going to stay home or vote for McCain or anybody else in November. And those who do decide to cave-in and vote for Obama we hope it will not be enough to get him over–unless the voting machines are rigged. So even if Hillary’s name is still on the ballot don’t pull her lever because that vote will be rolled
over to Obama. Hopefully, what
President Carter said about an Obama-Hillary ticket is right. It would be a disaster anyway.
case-in-point

“I intend to campaign hard through February. As you know, it’s the DELEGATES who determine our nominee. I believe I will have the majority of pledged delegate by the end of the races in February”
-Hillary Clinton Dec ’07
THAT ABOUT SUMS IT UP DOESN’T IT?

Mark…if you vote for McCain YOU will get what YOU deserve…and everyone else for being so stupid! I bet you voted for Bush his second term…

2012…we won’t have any country worth saving in 2012…if McCain is in office. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

Hillary lost for many reasons but the biggest two were…
wrong message (which the right president for the right time needs to get
and
Mark Penn’s screw up with California (as the strategy offcier of the campaign thinking it was winner take all was the biggest blunder in this whole campaign) and subsequent inability and lack of time to correct it.
If Hillary people want to blame anyone…blame the candidate being a bad manager herself and hiring bad managers…not her opponent …who in the entire American history of politics was incredibly gracious to her and chose a higher road (than even she did).
Politicians can become like overblown fat corporations which get overincumbered and rest on their laurels and own press…that is what Hillary and her campaign did.

Thats why I do not want to hear people mentioning “Experience”.
A person (leader) can have all experience to run even a small Office, but once that person has in the Team, people who do not qualify to give the support required. The outcome is always a catastrophy.
This is exactly what had happened in Hillary’s Support Team!

Hate to be a party pooper for Obama supporters, oh what am i saying!!
Hilary won the popular vote, which then the dems by their own words should of given her the nomination, since in 2000 they cried and said the popular vote should win. and that the electoral college was too confusing!! Well guess what the electoral college is not confusing, but the dems want to make it confusing!!
The reason Hilary did not win is because she is a female and Obama is a Black Male, in the Dem party the race card trumps the gendar card!!
So far Obama has called everyone that did not vote for him a racist – See comments in San Francisco in front of his elitest billionaire friends.
A vote for Obama is a vote for the destruction of the United States, his plans will take away our liberty, increase gas prices to a point no one could drive, except his billionaire friends!!
Food prices will soar so all you will have to eat is crumbs.
Oh thats right he said this is what we should be like like, see his speech- America should not be driving SUV,s or big cars, and we should eat more simplier because Europe looks at us for this!!
Obama the Stalinist Marxist who like a Queen of England tells the people to eat cake!! (oh thats right he wants them to starve, no cake)

spock, you too are a liar.
Senator Obama called NO ONE a racist.
Apparently, the only way for you guys to make yourselves feel better is to LIE.

The nice thing about a republic is we don’t need a reason to vote against Obama. We just do it.
In a race where the center has evaporated and neither the left nor right have offered substance, one needs no defense nor must offer any reason for the vote. Just vote.

Isn’t it funny….they call Obama ‘elitist’….
When this man ran for the Senate he had holes in his shoes and two suits….raising two girls and paying off their school loans….
For those not educated enough to understand….when you have school loan debt, that means no one gave you money, you had to do it on your own.
His money came from writing his two books….best sellers.
Yeah, I can see how that would make you an elitist.
The republicans are shaking in their boots.

@LA: It’s the audacity to hope that at some point in this campaign we’ll get a straight story from Obama that he doesn’t have to walk back from a week later.
Speeches aren’t enough. Hope is what you have when you don’t have a plan.

In Michigan, write-in votes are counted ONLY if that write-in candidate gives permission to the state to count them. If not, those votes are disqualified.

spock, I call you a liar when you lie. Most of what you state regarding Senator Obama is a distortion or a lie. All you have to do is read to find the truth, not some spin that someone else stated. It’s just THAT simple!
I’m still waiting for Obama’s ‘racist’ quotes from you spock. When did he call anyone a racist??

Jeff wrote:
I’m supporting McCain to send a message to the DNC….
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Hats off, and I’m sure the 4000 soldiers who will return home in body bags during the mccain administration will thank you, too.

Answer me this….what has Hillary done besides sleep next to Bill in the White House?? Exactly what “experience” does she really have….what foreign policy credetials does she have….besides Bosina of course, and voting for the war without reading the report?? She’s an opportunist, a liar and morally corrupt.

NoMcSAME, I am curious! When you called Spock a liar, were you referring to his comments about the Bush tax cuts? If so, Spock is actually right on the money.
The Liberal mantra has been that the Bush tax cuts were for the rich. Yet, President Bush’s 2001 tax cuts lowered the bottom two federal income tax rates: The 15% bracket became 10%, and the 28% bracket became 15%.
Another Liberal mantra is that the rich don’t pay their fair share! That is a total myth. The top 25% of the nation’s wage earners actually account for 86% of the total federal income tax revenue! The top 50% of the nation’s wage earners account for 97% of the total federal income tax revenue. In 2006 the median household income was $48,000. So that means those households — 50% of the nation’s households — that are making less than $48,000, cumulatively, are burdened with only having to account for just THREE PERCENT of the total federal income tax revenue. Now THAT IS THE TRUTH!

More than 55% of the democrats are women and still people claim that the sexism palyed a role in Hillary’s loss. I guess it is just an excuse to whine. She lost inspite of her name recognistion because she is not liklable and has no real qualities to become a president.

Face it. Hillary’s real disappointment is that she stayed with a man who cheated on her (even while she was home!) and continues to cheat…all so that she could one day be president. That is truly where that “grint” comes from…I’d be pissed too if I were her!

JUST HEARD ON CNN:
JENNIFER FLOWERS AND PAULA JONES ARE COLLABORATING ON A BOOK ABOUT BILL. WOULDN’T THAT BE EXTRA “BAGGAGE” IF HILLARY WAS VP?

Bill and his team (Penn) really fouled up Hillary’s campaign. They thought they could Bill’s junkyard dog style of politics against a fellow Democrat, and I am sure to their dismay it ended up being Obama who the public likes! Bill clearly didn’t recognize it’s not 1992. There were moments for HRC, such as the closing in the TX debate … if she were like that who knows? But that’s the thing, if you are not like “anything”, if you constantly shift around to try and maximize the opinion voters have of you based on polls (come on we see everything now it just looks schizo) and most of all you can’t control your campaign, no way should you be in charge of the country.

Rhbate, if you:
Like an unemployment rate of 7.0% or higher and the free market decimated;
Like pulling our troops out of Iraq in six months only to have the troops return to the Middle East within a two years;
Like paying $6-$8 per gallon of gasoline;
Like a massive tax hike for the wealthy, but also a huge tax hike for the lower to middle income earners when the current tax cuts are allowed to expire;
Can’t wait for Iran to be invaded by Iran forcing our troops back into the Middle East after having just pulled them out;
Like protectionism;
Like the federal government no longer trying to intercept communications by the terrorists, and allowing them to plan their next series of attacks on the US unimpeded;
Like the Judicial Branch making laws (when the U.S. Constitution clearly states only the Legislative Branch has that authority);
Want the world to love America no matter the cost, sacrifice and consequences;
Then you will love Sen. Obama as President of the United States.

Sorry, I meant Iraq invaded by Iran

Posted by: James Danley | Jun 9, 2008 5:05:40 PM
Our unemployment rate will soon be above 7% if things continue as they are now going.
I live in Los Angeles and I pay $4.69 for gas now and is on the way up. It’s kinda weird: As McCain said, we invaded Iraq for oil. Since then, oil has gone from $29.00 a barrel to $129.00 a barrel.
I have no idea what you mean by Iran invading Iran. Sounds idiotic to me.
Would love to live in a country that does not send it jobs and technical expertise overseas.
Would love a tax hike for those making more than $250,000. Most people pay a greater rate hike than these people.
Would love to travel the world without feeling compelled to hide my citizenship.
Would love to live in a country where we regain Habeas Corpus.
Would love to live in a country that does not spy on its own citizen.
Would love to live in a country whose government does not condone torture.
Would love to live a country where the Judiciary FOLLOWS the law, and does not elect president.
Would love to live in a country that respects the Constitution of the US, with particular respect to the Fourth Amendment restriction on illegal searches and seizures.

Posted by: rhbate | Jun 9, 2008 5:45:18 PM
rhbate, a “plan” is worthless if you can’t get it done because you operate with a sledgehammer…hummm?? think maybe that’s why she couldn’t get healthcare appoved when Billy was in office??
Hope is what you have when many are inspired to do something….using skill, intellect and diploymacy.

Do you want the President of the United States of America wanting to destroy White America? HOW is THAT going to unify the country?
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Nothing of what you right is attributable to Obama. I think this is what is known as guilt be association. You conclusion that Obama wants to destroy white America is pure demagoguery.

Hillary’s campaign is now over 32 million in debt. Many of the people she owes are caterers, small vendors, photographers, event promoters, etc. These are the small people, the “HARD WORKING AMERICANS-her core constituents”. I just wonder if she going to stiff them. She has a ton of money; if she wanted, she could pay it out of her own money and still have a fortune left over.