McCain Attacks Obama on Perceived J-town Shift

Following Matt comments. I’ll say that i see Senator Mc Cain here criticizing and agreeing with his opponent in the same sentence.
Senator Obama has repeatedly said since 2000 that Jerusalem can not be divided and and is the capital of Israel but the final status of the city will be decided in the negotiations by the Israeli government. How is that different from Senator Mc Cain comments? This is a tempest in a pot.

McSame has changed his positions so much.
From warrentless-wiretapping to being in Iraq for 100 years.
Furthermore, McSame didn’t even know what his position opposing the Everglades.

The status of Jerusalem is an important issue.
But what about torture in the USA?
McCain supports it.
What about Washington spying on Americans?
McCain supports it.
What about ending our own war in Iraq?
McCain opposes it.
So don’t be distracted by the old man’s talking points.
Be sure to not vote for his lack of ethics and moral responsability.
BTW -
isn’t McCain himself the biggest flip flopper of all? But don’t blame him for THAT. He simply can’t REMEMBER his earlier stands.

Mr. Obama’s flip-flops seem to be centered on Israel and the Middle East. His black liberation church has an obvious position on the issue. Accompanied with his pro-Islam and anti-American associations, I am seriously concerned about what the “change” he has yet to describe might be.

Cathy wrong,
McCain has always been for the everglades restoration.
The dems loaded the bill up with 20 billion in wasteful projects that had nothing to do with the everglades.
The dems were playing political games.
They take a popular issue like the everglades and load it up with wasteful spending.
McCain showed great courage to vote against it because he knew the dems would use it against him.
McCain has always put his country before himself.
We are in massive debt because of congress loading up bills with waste.
Obama is fine with that while McCain is against that.
Obama is fine with massive debt in our economy by congress playing political games and loading up popular bills with massive pork spending.
McCain was for the everglades as a stand alone measure.
The dems have no shame.

The bottom line is that 100,000,000 homes are in forclosure, oil just went to $139.00 per, gas is over $4.00 a gallon, unemployment had its biggest jump in 20 years, and we have a war that still no one can define what a “win” is. Mr McCain, voted with this current disaster of a President 95% of the time over the past year. This “my friends” means an Obama and Hagel blow out vs Mr Maggo and Elmer Fudd (Lieberman) in November.

Everything Obama says is Political Rhetoric.
Just words
wrapped in a pretty speech.
Just like with NAFTA
Telling the Canadians he does not mean it. All along lying to the American people and trying to sell it to them.
It depends on which of his staff in on to go over the script with him for what he is to say. so it varies.
Please do not take him seriously, for he doesn’t even know what he says. Until he gets it clarified by his staff.

Stacey, have you ever heard “Christian name”, like “John is a Christian name”?
Your quibbling has only exposed your own lack of intelligence.
LOL

The boneheaded mistakes continue, as the boneheaded candidate shifts position daily, hourly, routinely.
He cheated away a nomination and he is cheating the greater public.

McCain is a stumbler. He should never be a President. He only dares to adress folks that he can call ‘my friends’, people who’ll pardon him for his lack of knowledge, his lack of talent and his lack of swift and bright intelligence. He’d NEVER dare to come face to face with a dangerous scoundrel and nuthead like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, even if it would be in the great interest of Israel to directly face the Iran regime. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be the stronger orator, the better debater. Oratory gifts are of GREAT importance when it comes to power and the use of it. Diplomacy is all about that. Oratory gifts can prevent a war; see Kennedy handling the Cuba crisis. And about that “Ich bin ein Berliner” speech. Words that hit the USSR harder than a cruise missile. So no, McCain should never become our President. He had no TALENT for it. He’s a stumbler.

When Obama has
Wright –> Vice President
Farrakhan –> Secretary of State
in his cabinet
what else you can expect.
May be we should ask left wing CNN/MSNBC to conduct Obama VS 5th Grader show

mccain’s position on jerusalem has been consistent. what is it some of you posters (the so-called educated obama supporters) do not understand, he believes it should not be divided period.
obama on the other hand said to the israeli lobby that jerusalem should be undivided when pandering for their support, but yet, on cnn obama says it is up to israel and the palestenians
to decide (BIG DIFFERENCE). so what is it obama? the guy is so arrogant i really think that he believes that because he has fooled his supporters he can fool the rest of us as well.

John Kerry was not a flip flopper. But BOY is OBAMA. NOBAMA. He has the most divisive nad hypocritical campaign ever. I have never seen such nonsense and VERY VERY VERY few “journalists” have reported on his hypocrisy. like taking money from lobbyists and oil executives when he says he doesn’t!!!

In reviewing the “best of Obama” my favorite still is him saying that he stood up to the nuclear industry in Illinois. Turns out it couldn’t be farther from the truth.

I’m not following what the supposed “reversal” is supposed to be, nor finding any inherent contradiction here.
1)  Obama doesn’t think Jerusalem can (or should) be divided.
2)  But, it’s not our call to make; in the end the Israeli and the Palestinians will have to make their own call on that.
Where’s the problem?  What’s the contradiction?

Obama the shape-shifter

The US can no longer play the role of honest broker between Israelis and Palestinians. Our venal politics are despicable.

“I can’t react to every comment that Senator Obama makes, because it probably will change as it did on sitting down and talking unconditionally with (Iranian president Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad and other dictators,”
HAAA!!!! BEEEEAUTIFUL Sen McCain!
Obamakerry… ” I said Jerusalem should not be divided, before I said it should be”
OYE VEY!…

Why does McCain always attack. Jake can Obama attack sometimes
You always got McCain as the attacker and Obama as the attackee.
McCain is always on the offensive and Obama on the defensive.
No fair.
What is it. You don’t want Obama to be perceived as beating up on an old geezer. Well he asked for it.

Omentum
What does that have to do with Obama’s latest flip-flop?

Enough already with the Amadenijad garbage. No one not even my 5 year old son would think that Obama is going to go all willy nilly and set at table with Amadenijad ….. he said he would use tough diplomacy he never changed his position …. he had to be more precise and elementary because he knew he was dealing with folks with pea brains like yourselves.
At least Obama know that Aqueda is not going into Iran to train and coming back to Iraq. McGRampie said that three times before his tool Lieberman corrected him.

Strong diplomacy is better than 4000+ casualties and tens of thousand of injured (not counting the million iraqis and the innocent collateral casualties)
ANY DAY

Of course Obama won’t win all the swing states but he still has a chance with some of them. Va is slowly turning democratic. I think he will take it in the GE.

Obama was right to begin peace talks in the beginning of his term instead of at the end like the great decider did.

hi sonia
how was your day…. no no don’t cry … I know you are still hurting.

This was the result of Keating FIVE.
more than 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings. This total came to about $285 million,
CAN ANY OF OBAMA’S RELATIONS EQUATE TO THAT.
What a sick nut you got running for president. Robbed the elderly. Every can’t ditch their disabled wife and marry a filthy rich trollop like he did.

good nite all
and to all a good night

Mary, Obama did not divide our country. The Hillary supporters seem to have done that. Even though I voted for Obama in the primary, I would gladly vote for either one in the GE. Stop being scared of change.

The Hillary Clinton supporters I know say they will vote McCain. But if asked/confronted by Obamatized supporters they will say him for sake of argument. So far Obama has failed to give Substantial Qualifications besides he’s 1/2 Kenyan Black as a qualifier. American doesn’t need a Trainer-In- Chief. We went thru that the last 8 years. Look where we are at!

We don’t need anymore cowboy approaches in the middle east, which is clearly the case with moving the embassy to Jerusalem.

MIguy i understand the sensitivity of this issue very well. however the topic is the fact that obama changes his tune on this serious issue depending on whom he is addressing. thus is appears that he is willing to compromise anything to get the american jewish vote-anything? think about it. at least mccain is putting his cards on the table. but obama who knows? that does bother me.

Obama is an enemy to Israel, just ask his pro Palestinian friends. The ones he’s kept in the closet until he gets elected. Unfortuantely for Obama, there are pictures. And video.

@sonia: Okay, by your logic here are the possibilities:
1. McCain is right on his stance.
2. McCain is wrong on his stance.
3. We don’t know Obama’s stance.
So McCain is “putting his cards on the table.” Okay, clearly he is pandering for the Jewish vote but that notwithstanding, what if he is wrong? The options then become:
1. McCain is wrong
2. 50% chance (or any chance except 100%) Obama is wrong
Any statistician or gambler will choose #2 every time. The converse, if McCain is right is:
1. McCain is right
2. 50% chance Obama is right
Then you choose #1 every time. So, this is a long-winded way of saying that it matters whether McCain is right or wrong on the issue (even in the absence of knowing Obama’s position). I don’t think McCain is right on this one – what do you think? Should we move our embassy to Jerusalem?

By the way, Sonia (or anyone else for that matter), I’m not asking you to vote for anyone. No politician is always right (or wrong). It looks silly when we always support (or denigrate) a candidate; when we don’t acknowledge that our preferred candidate is wrong (or the opposing candidate is right) then our opinion should be suspect.

i will never agree with every single position that a candidate may promote however mr mccain has gained my respect on some issues. take immigration where he has consistently advocated for a moderate and humane agenda knowing full well that it would cost him the support of the ‘foaming at the mouth racists’ he risked alienating a large number of republicans and he did. i admire the fact that he did not parade his son returning from iraq as he was announcing his intent to enter this election. i voted for hillary but as a hispanic i will absolutely have no problem supporting mccain. obama on the other hand totally disregarded us hispanics in his ‘race in america’ agenda he portrayed this nation as black and white forgetting the largest minority group in america. we won’t forget. but we will, remember in november. and no please do not throe us a bone (richardson the carpetbagger traitor) that would be an even bigger insult.

anon the exact words of my mothers ancestors the jicarilla apaches when your ancestors arrived.
my father’s ancestors were mexican/spanish here before new mexico was even a territory of the u.s.
my mother was jicarilla apache here forever. we are as old as the earth.

hi WCM.. we don’t need another 4 years of bush or mc’can’t policy. this country needs hillary, and they need her now. i have been to denver in recent days, and she is all they talk about….she is the pillar of strength that the dem party has to hold on to.
damn havent the DNC screwed us over enough????? damn the bad luck….time for a change….hillary for solutions…..

1. Obama was for talking to dictators unconditionally before he was against talking to them unconditionally.
2. Obama was for hardworking PA voters before he was against bitter PA voters.
3. Obama was against disowning Rev. Wright before he was for disowning Rev. Wright.
4. Obama was for not hearing evil sermons of Rev. Wright before he was for hearing Wright sermons.
5. Obama is for Hamas before he was against Hamas.
6. Obama is for terrorists like Ayers before he was against them.
7. Obama is for “against Americe” before he was for America.
Poltician Obama is a nimble one.

i think jackie has things clearly in perspective…sounds like she has her head in the game and on the ball……

Interesting that McCain is trying to lock up the Florida vote now. I think the interesting thing though is that if the GOP sees Florida as crucial then they are cooked pretty much now. Even in the knife edge elections of 2000 and 2004 the GOP won Florida (I am just talking here about electoral college votes and the actuality of the maths of that not the votes!) I don’t in the end see how McCain gets more voters to vote for him than Bush did in those elecetions and I do think Obama will get new voters to vote Democrat. I still expect a 54-46 win for the Democrats, translating to something like 370-170 eectoral college win in the end.

Of course HRC was the best candidate because she is a moderate Democrat, but they have ruled her out, what ever way you want to call it, it doesn’t matter.
Now focusing on BO versus Mc Cain, I read an article in the Daily Telegraph “Look at what happened to Jimmy Carter”, and I came to the conclusion that a BO presidency means pushing the leftist agenda of the Democratic Party.
That has to be given more thought and scrutiny. The leftist which are the generations of Boomers, are the ones who are still caught in the nostalgia of an idealistic world. Many Boomers have evolved in life and their views are more pragmatic. Many of them are now moderate.
The leftist have not evolved at all.
They are stuck in ideology. Their vision of the world is simplicist and they put all their energy into pushing their agenda, look at what they have done in the primary election (pushing out a moderate candidate whom they have always blamed for being a centrist).
Geopolitics have always been a specialized field so many voters don’t realize to what extent the implication of foreign affair policy relates to domestic economy.
I trusted Hillary Clinton on this matter because of her centrist approach, but BO and the leftist legacy from now on of the Democratic Party may be an overturn of American foreign policy which may not be such a good idea; knowing that a good knowledge of history (which I acknowledge as a failure liable for american failure in some circumstances, for instance not knowing that Iran is chiite and Sadam Hussein was Sunite) with a tremendous amount of wisdom can only help America keep its impact in the world map with a sense of balance.
Which makes me skeptical of foreign policy stemming from pure ideology, left or right wing. I hope that Mc Cain is a truly moderate politician, in which case he is a good alternative to the left wing Democrat candidate.

Let us not forget. We should teach a lesson to MSNBC’s Keith and Chris and every other rogue MSM analyst.
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YES! That is the best reason to chose a President – to “get even” with journalists who don’t know, and will never know you exist. Real smart thinking.

I agree. You can spot a REAL Hillary supporter anywhere but on this site there are many disguised republicans acting as Hillary supporters.

It’s a great idea to let children and grandchildren persuade an adult to choose Obama–because he is cool.
This country is in big trouble.
Maybe I’ll try Canada.

McCain wants to bring up Obama’s supposed flip-flops?
McCain? Really?
The guy who said his conscience prevented him from voting for Bush’s tax breaks, but now says they should be permanent?
The guy who WAS a women’s choice advocate, but is now against all abortions?
The guy who supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. Then, he abandoned his own legislation?
A guy who was was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol?
Same guy who took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands?
The guy who accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign, but now asked them for support?
The guy who was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it?
The guy who said about the Iraq war “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily”?
Mr Maverick turned Mr Tool wants to talk about flip-flopping?
I really don’t think McSame should go there.

Posted by: jo | Jun 6, 2008 8:07:09 PM
If you did not see the difference between McCain statement and BO’s, we won’t help you. It’s time to get you education and we surely do not want to take up the responsibility of educating a BO viper.

Quotes from John McCain from a news article on March 18th, 2008:
“I support Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,” [...] “I know that the people of Israel and the Palestinian people want to see a peaceful settlement as both sides suffered enormously.”
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Quotes from John McCain, June 6th, 2008:
“Jerusalem is undivided. Jerusalem is the capital. And we should move our embassy to Jerusalem before anything else happens. The subject of Jerusalem itself will be addressed in negotiations by the Israeli government and people.”
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So, how exactly is McCain’s position any different from Obama’s?
Didn’t McCain say that that he supports Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but that “the subject of Jerusalem itself will be addressed in negotiations by the Israeli government and people,” and that he looks forward to a peaceful settlement for “both sides.”
How is that any different from what Obama has said? Why is McCain criticizing Obama for saying the same thing he has said?

I think Jerusalem should be undivided as a holy city.
As a political matter it has to be divided because of the number of people who claim it.
John McCain’s opportunistic commentary is dead on: Obama should have known better.