Jun 16, 2008 10:18pm

McCain Camp Pounces on Obama Comments From ABC News Interview

The campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., tonight pounced on comments Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., made in an interview today with ABC News.

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This was the exchange in question.

TAPPER: Speaking of the Supreme Court, you applauded the decision that the Supreme Court made last week. The Bush administration says, no matter what people think about other programs, other policies they’ve initiated, there has not been a terrorist attack within the U.S. since 9/11. And they say the reason that is, is because of the domestic programs, many of which you opposed, the NSA surveillance program, Guantanamo Bay, and other programs. How do you know that they’re wrong? It’s not possible that they’re right?

OBAMA: Well, keep in mind I haven’t opposed, for example, the national security surveillance program, the NSA program. What I’ve said that we can do it within the constraints of our civil liberties and our Constitution.

TAPPER: They disagree, though.

OBAMA: Well, but the fact that they disagree does not mean that they’re right on this. What it means is, is that they have been willing to skirt basic protections that are in our Constitution, that our founders put in place.

And it is my firm belief that we can track terrorists, we can crack down on threats against the United States, but we can do so within the constraints of our Constitution. And there has been no evidence on their part that we can’t.

And, you know, let’s take the example of Guantanamo. What we know is that, in previous terrorist attacks — for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center, we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.

And the fact that the administration has not tried to do that has created a situation where not only have we never actually put many of these folks on trial, but we have destroyed our credibility when it comes to rule of law all around the world, and given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, "Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims."

So that, I think, is an example of something that was unnecessary. We could have done the exact same thing, but done it in a way that was consistent with our laws.

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McCain campaign Foreign Policy Advisor Randy Scheunemann said in response: "Barack Obama’s belief that we should treat terrorists as nothing more than common criminals demonstrates a stunning and alarming misunderstanding of the threat we face from radical Islamic extremism. Obama holds up the prosecution of the terrorists who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993 as a model for his administration, when in fact this failed approach of treating terrorism simply as a matter of law enforcement rather than a clear and present danger to the United States contributed to the tragedy of September 11th. This is change that will take us back to the failed policies of the past and every American should find this mindset troubling."

- jpt

User Comments

How quick McCain is to just throw the Constitution in the dumpster. He can make all the emotional appeals he wants, but it means nothing so long as it runs directly against our forever-lasting Constitution that has held this country together like glue. Once you start taking away one provision, all the others become meaningless and will fall just as quickly…

Posted by: Jane | June 16, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

imo John McCain needs a new Foreign Policy Advisor. I agree with Obama.

Posted by: Tom J | June 16, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

McCain is sooooo confused.

Posted by: Omentum | June 16, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Barack seems confused by the facts. I wonder who is advising him on this? They need to be fired!

Posted by: Jeff | June 16, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

I should have known it was trouble when Bush replaced all the toilet paper in the White House with rough, yellow crinkly-paper replicas of the Constitution. Not only explains his policies and actions, but his disposition as well.

Posted by: 1percenter | June 16, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

“He who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.” -Benjamin Franklin

Posted by: Benji | June 16, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

McCain is a senile american extremist.

Posted by: Omentum | June 16, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

I find McCain’s mind set Troubling. Takes us back to the failed policicies of the past? What of the present?

Posted by: Thinking | June 16, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

I support Obama and can’t wait to get attacked again. It’s cool.

Posted by: Steven | June 16, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

Pouncing on your opponent for supporting the rule of law is a very interesting tactic for McCain to be taking. Will there be a McCain press release scolding Obama for saying that bunny rabbits should not be kicked around the lawn?
McCain and the anti-constitutional wing of the GOP are making themselves increasingly irrelevant.

Posted by: Mike S | June 16, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

McCain is certainly a great veteran of this country and I respect him for that, but he has the intelligence of a pea — and I mean no offense to the pea. I don’t think anyone can disagree with me that soldiers are not the most educated people in our country, at least in the complex subjects that a President faces. McCain is no exception to that rule.

Posted by: Benji | June 16, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

wait a second: so the leftists and obama backers are talking about respect for the constitution?! wow, if that isnt ironic…

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

Well um, ah, if I, um, ah, oh well, ok, look, what I meant to say, ah, um, dah. Looks like another typical response from Obama.

Posted by: Thinking | June 16, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm

tim: if they turn left hard enough eventually they turn right.

Posted by: 1percenter | June 16, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm

obama brought up a perfect example to himself. To treat the terrorists as we did in 1993 and 8 years later, terrorists tried again and were extremely successful. 3000 Americans died!!!! Do you think this guy, who sympathize with terrorists and never give credits to any programs that have prevented another attack since september 11, is going to protect you??? You may have to pay higher taxes and your finance is not as great as before but you’re still alive to feed your family. What’s more important than to protect this nation, especially when it’s in time of war. I see obama selling out this country more than protecting it.

Posted by: aaron | June 16, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

re: jane’s comment; ‘How quick McCain is to just throw the Constitution in the dumpster’.
jane it seems mccain is not the only one tossing the constitution in the dumpster. remember 1 person 1 vote also in the constitution (no where does it say 1/2 vote at our convenience.) remember state rights also in the constitution. and also in the dumpster.

Posted by: sonia trevino | June 16, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

What makes McCain a maverick, is that he can take most of his positions on the issues, and throw them under the bus for brand new ones.

Posted by: AkaDad | June 16, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

sonia: thanks – i’m here mostly for fun and games – i know you can take a joke.

Posted by: 1percenter | June 16, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

The influences over Mr Obama over the past 20 some years on his life. People shared views and ideas with, advised him, Helped him. Were people against the United States.
Obama’s attitude plays more into terrorists hands than against them.

Posted by: seah | June 16, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

sonia trevino……..What ELECTION did half he votes get thrown away. Other than the 2000 election when the republicans stole that one. The democrats had a PRIMARY to select a candidate to compete for the election. You do know the difference, don’t you? The Constitution has nothing to do with a political party picking it’s candidate.

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

Again Obama talking out of both sides of his mouth with his followers cheering him on.

Posted by: jane | June 16, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

Does anyone else see the irony of McCain taking about failed policies. Get a grip, McBush. I think your losing your bearings again.

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm

A friend tells me that Tiger Woods is getting ready to endorse Barack Obama – that’ll certainly get the attention of the country club Republican set. McCain’s boat is springing leaks on all sides …

Posted by: Bunyan | June 16, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm

“My friends, my opponent in young and naive and doesn’t understand that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. On the other hand, I am old and crusty and know for certain that I don’t know what I’m talking about. So you should vote for me because you know where I stand.”

Posted by: 1percenter | June 16, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm

ahhh yes, another GOP stole the presidency line.. never gets old. and exactly what do you call the fraud that YOUR OWN PARTY just recently performed on you then?! turned their backs on how many millions of voters to pick your canidate? just curios. do some research on democrats and voter fraud through the years. you have no idea.

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

1percenter no offense taken. i have grown rather fond of your insults. battered hillary supporter syndrome i think they call it lol. nothing can hurt me now, after this primary season.

Posted by: sonia trevino | June 16, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

tim tim tim
I see your point, but you must know although we have been attacked since 9/11, we had the intelligence that could have prevented 9/11 but we ignored it. The fact that we had people in flight school not want to know how to land planes should have been enough but we had so so so much more intel. The key to us havent been attacked since is called vigilance and actually using the intelligence. While we pat Bush on the back for no terrorist attack, how about smacking him in the head for being asleep at the wheel when we had America’s most horrific terrorist attack in history.

Posted by: Omentum | June 16, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

tim….does being a prisoner of war 40 years ago the only quality needed to be president?

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

Anybody know why tiger woods is going to endorse someone that probably nows nothing about Obama other than that he is black.

Posted by: Bunyan | June 16, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

Obama is going to lose in the biggest landslide in the history of the country. WORD UP

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm

McCain doesn’t have a chance.

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

JR
word up???????? You time capsule back to the 80′s awaits.

Posted by: Omentum | June 16, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

McCain does not stand a chance of losing

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

I support McCain.
Obama has No experience or qualifications to be the President of the United States of America.
plain & simple

Posted by: FREEDOM IS NOT FREE | June 16, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

@sonia: i think the media is sad she is out because it made for such great blogfests. the insults hurled here are weak in comparison, no?

Posted by: 1percenter | June 16, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

I DONT THINK OBAMA WILL HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MCBUSH FLIPFLOP by november he will have a problem remembering his name—want to confuse the hell out of him–keep saying that is not what he said yesterday.

Posted by: rodney | June 16, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

No matter what the polls say. McCain will win with about a 20 point lead. Juat like the polls where swayed for largely Obama but he barely won and that was in the Democratic party.

Posted by: Omentum | June 16, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

omentum…
are you serious on this one?! bush was president for how long before september 11th?! not even a year?! do you realize how many times the clinton adminitration was warned about osama bin laden in general?! have you ever done any research at all on this? you are absolutely right that we were asleep at the wheel. but it wasnt during this administration. you do remember all the terrorist attacks on our embassies and interests in the 90′s right? and you do remember what clinton did about these attacks and threats right? NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. i cant even believe you said what you said. believe me, im NOT ahuge george bush fan. but cmon. were you not alive in the 90′s??? thats when all of the terrorism became really prevalent, and a serious threat. and we did nothing.

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

tim
16 years one idiot after the other—at this point i would vote for satan

Posted by: rodney | June 16, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

Hey more Rezko trouble. The media and Obama is going to put a spin on that it was Clintons fault and they are racist. Wait a minute they now have to spin it that McCain caused it somehow

Posted by: rodney | June 16, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

If McCain has it locked down, why is he behind in the polls? Granted, not by much, but he’s had weeks of free ride while the democrats fought over their choice.

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

Obama is in real TROUBLE. He hardly got any after nomination bump, and new gallop poll have it back to a dead heat.
JUST WAIT UNTIL ALL THE CLINTON SUPPORTERS ABANDON SHIP, WHEN OBAMA SNUBS HER AS V.P.
Only the democrats could lose in such an overwhelming atmosphere.

Posted by: Tom from FL | June 16, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

1percenter-yep i was thinking the same. i bet you guys miss us eh! this new dialog worries me ALLOT! enough said, you get my drift?

Posted by: sonia trevino | June 16, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

rodney…
well, bit of a stretch there on that one.. lol but i do see your point.

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

tim
so what you are saying that when Obama or McCain win they can point back and say that Bush is the responsible for things that happen under their watch. So tell me how long does this waiver exist.
9 months – a year – two years. HOW LONG???

Posted by: Omentum | June 16, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

No I don’t sonia. What’s your drift? It isn’t that old crap about since Hillary didn’t get it, I’m gonna hold my breath until she does, is it?

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

You can bash McCain and Obama forever, it does not change the fact that one of these men will be our President elect in November and will be sworn in in January, they are both worthy to run and legaly able, so make as much of an educated vote as you can and pray whoever gets in does right by this country and its citizens.

Posted by: Get Real | June 16, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

wow. The Obamaniacs are something. I am 52, and will appreciate when you young workers are paying 60% taxes to support all of these new entitlements. Right now there are 5 working Americans supporting every retired person on Medicare and Social Security. In ten years there will be 3 working Americans for us retired folks(40% increase). Throw in free health care, tax cuts, increase in salaries for teachers and the military, and who knows, OBama may leave enough for you to have a two room apartment and two meals of rice and beans. There has to be a few of you young Obamaniacs that were business majors and studied basic Economics. I will think of you youngsters from my boat in Florida. And oh yeah, us oldsters will greatly outnumber you so don’t think of taking away these entitlements once they are in place. Thanks so much for my easy living future> Antonio

Posted by: Anthony | June 16, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

Obama just associating with Razko and Rev Wright for over 20 years is plain wrong. Yes bad associations is wrong when one of them is your hero and you write a book about him

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Barack Obama is a racist, plain & simple. He has all sorts of radicals coming out of the woodwork.
I will NEVER support Obama even if Hillary is his V.P. candidate.
If elected, he will set race relations back 50 years.

Posted by: John | June 16, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

To whom much is given much is required…..
Let the tax cuts crash and burn.
OBAMA 08

Posted by: Omentum | June 16, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

getreal
as middle class i wont hold my breath waiting for anything good for us—the poor get more welfare and the rich get richer –and we pay the bill for all

Posted by: rodney | June 16, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

Keep trying McCain. You’re toast.

Posted by: dem in chicago | June 16, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

omentum..
well, first off they ALWAYS do that. lol i mean, cmon they are politicians for god’s sakes. but you made the comment that bush could have prevented 9/11. that he was “asleep at the wheel”. i was simply making the point that the previous administration knew the threat waaaaaayy before they were at flying schools here… lol. you can blame bush for alot of things, but on preventing 9/11 you really cant. people seem to forget that we had terrorist attacks before 9/11. not until it was on our soil, did it become a “necessary fight”. which is sad. but all throughout the 90′s we were warned. do the research.

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

Hillary supporters,
John McCain respects Hillary and her years of service to the nation.
We welcome your support in November if the media helps steal the nomination from Hillary!
If Obama loses the general election, Hillary’s 2012 campaign starts Nov. 5th.
Maybe we will see McCain vs Hillary in 2012 if McCain wins the general election.
McCain in 08′/Hillary in 12′

Posted by: McCain in 08'/Hillary in 12' | June 16, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm

stupid statements deserve stupid replies jr.

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm

no i meant when hillary supporters were debating the dialog was very different. it was more issue driven perhaps is what i should have said. maybe i am wrong. but now it appears more hostile. no i have no fantasy about hill’s return. and i am ok with that. i guess you could say i am on the ‘fence’ watching and listening.

Posted by: sonia trevino | June 16, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm

and again, not only were we warned during the 90′s, we were attacked. numerous times. cant make that clear enough.

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

Tiger’s endorsing him because he’s NOT black – get it?
They’re both Post-black. Post-Racist.
Get it now?

Posted by: Bunyan | June 16, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

habius corpus means nothing i guess mr mccain lol

Posted by: bhrandon | June 16, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

Anthony……if any of what you say is true, you won’t be on easy street in 10 years, you’ll still be working. Fortunately I’m already retired, thank you.
But really, the president doesn’t set taxes, so to get what your suggesting, democrats would need a 2/3 majority in congress.

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

It has been Senator Obama and his supporters that has turned the constitution aside. Remember, one voter, one vote and and all votes count. He is just trying to stir up controversy when it is not necessary.
I rather be safe than sorry.

Posted by: Mary | June 16, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

Jeff
obama is 100% right on this one, we have the ability to do the job of tracking terrorists without destroying our constitution
bush has used the american people and the constitution as a floor mat

Posted by: bhrandon | June 16, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

Mary, if you want to blame someone for the Florida/Michigan primary fiasco, blame Howard Dean. He made the rules.

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

Obama cares more about the HABUS CORPUS giving citizens rights of non us citizens who are terrorist who blow up people and fly jet airplanes into buildings loaded with innocent people.
But Obama could care less about the rights of US citizen’s of FL and MI voter rights. All Obama had to do was agree to have their full votes counted. But Obama could care less

Posted by: bhrandon | June 16, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm

I wish they would bring back the draft so some of the knuckleheads on this post could learn a little about what it takes to have and respect freedom.

Posted by: row | June 16, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm

Does McCain know where he woke up today???? Doubt it.
Vote for McCain for more of the SAME.
War, Diaster, War, Poor Economy, No to Slow response to diasters, Govt. corruption. The list just goes on and on.
The Republicans and created the biggest mess in American History, time for them to go.

Posted by: candi delight | June 16, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm

ok, so this is a good time to make an obvious talking point. and this really breaks down ALOT of the problems we have today: BIG GOVERNMENT ONLY CREATES MORE PROBLEMS. now im not saying this in favor of either one of these jokers we have ended up with to vote for. i m saying this to help remind people on the big picture. big government ALWAYS creates more problems. we need to remember this when we go to vote for our president and congeressmen.

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

row, they had a draft when I went into the military, but that wasn’t where I learned to respect freedom. I learned that lesson when the republicans started killing our freedoms in the name of protecting us. Every time I saw then alter a law or ignore our laws, I saw freedom dying and I still do.

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

Mary: Why don’t you give the constitution another read and tell me what it says about how primaries should be run and get back to me on it.

Posted by: Ryan | June 16, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

candi delight…
always remember.. as bad as it is, it can always be worse. i agree, the republicans have lost their backbone as of late and really made some mistakes. but all you have to do is look at what the democrats say they want to do. its alot scarier than what is happening right now. and,the dems have had control of congress for two years now and have done absolutely nothing. no answers, no results. keep that in mind. if we hold the republicans accountable, and make them remember who they are working for, they stilla have, by in large, alot better ideas moving forward.

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

tim
Point taken… I realize politician will do what they do. What I am trying to point out is that the terrorist who stuck on 911 COULD HAVE been stopped with the intelligence when currently had. Adding uninhibited phone taps is overkill and opens up pandora’s box to give the government the access to invade other areas of american’s privacy. Obama is not ruling out certain usage of phone taps. I think that is the smart way to go. McCain felt the same way until he flipflopped.

Posted by: Omentum | June 16, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

These blogs are too boring. Adios

Posted by: candi delight | June 16, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

tim, the democrats have had a 1 vote majority for less than two years. Without a 2/3′s veto proof majority, nothing can be passed without republican help and that’s why nothing has happened. The republicans have stopped any and all progress.

Posted by: JR | June 16, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Concerning Rezko. In the city where i live a black man convicted of the pay to play politics that Obama played with Rezko started crying they white man set him up. WOW the white liberals flocked to his aid and the blacks circled their wagons and voted this creep in again that caused many jobs to be lost.

Posted by: race 101 | June 16, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm

omentum…
i am glad we agree on this.. lol believe me, i want smaller government. i dont believe we have to abuse our personal freedoms in order to protect the nation. sort of… lol heres my point: every administration in recent history breaks the rules. and for every one thing we hear about, theres probably 20 that we never hear about. thats where we have to read between the lines a bit. because as much as i hate to say it, im sure the breaking of the rules has helped keep us safe and on top of the world. thats why i believe there is a very fine line when it comes to national security.

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

Just because Tiger Woods isn’t black doesn’t mean that endorsing Obama’s gonna make him not black. Btw, is Tiger Woods even an American citizen? Where was he born?

Posted by: Bunyan | June 16, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm

1percenter…
thats exactly it. and either the dems dont see this happening or they just enjoy dirty politics. THE DEMS IN CONGRESS HAVENT BEEN TRYING TO GIVE REAL ANSWERS OR SOLUTIONS!!! they have been playing politics with totally unreasonable, unbelievable “solutions” that they KNOW repubs (and actually alot of dems) wont actually vote for. then they can play the “republicans have been holding up progress” card when it comes time to vote. putting our country on hold while they play election time games. so go ahead, people “vote for change”. thats who you’re voting for.

Posted by: tim | June 16, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

If any body needs an endorsement to tell them how to vote. Then the Chickens will come home to roost.

Posted by: rooster | June 17, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am

Tiger Woods isn’t black and Obama is? That’s the whole reason Tiger’s endorsing him. Do I have to spell it out for you?. Tiger has BIG cred with the country club caucasian demographic.

Posted by: Bunyan | June 17, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am

Tiger’s NOT black. He’s part indian and part something else. Why would he care about politics.

Posted by: Bunyan | June 17, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am

Woods is about 10 percent black. According to old laws in America that would disqualify Tiger from the Affirmative Action programs of being black. So his is not black

Posted by: wood | June 17, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

The dems have been very productive since Jan 2007, the only question is productive for who? They have driven the price of gas from $2.10 to $4.10+ all over the country. They have killed a booming housing market. They have killed the finance market. They have raised the unemployment rate and they are working on killing the stock market. They have actually been good to a few people, those dems in congress who refinanced their multi-million dollar homes without paying points and got lower interest rates than the average. At least the democrats who refinanced at more than favorable rates didn’t rely on the Chicago mob for their home, extra lot and financing. Only one did that, I think.

Posted by: Scrapiron | June 17, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am

What is going on with everyone here? People are bringing up associations and the RBC ruling. What does this have to do with the fundamental rule of obeying the Constitution? McCain can spin this all he wants but it’s not correct. Secondly, Clinton Supporters, get over the RBC ruling. Clinton was on the wrong side of the issue. Maybe if she fought for states ‘ rights before they were stripped she might have had more credibility. As she said it herself. “This election they’re having up there will not count for anything.”

Posted by: Chris | June 17, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am

I like Tiger Woods but I think it looks silly having a golfer endorse a candidate.

Posted by: tia | June 17, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am

It’s obvious that some individuals were asleep at the wheel with 9-11 in respect to warnings not being heeded and the slow military response to the crisis. Scheunemann, in his eagerness to discredit Obama, is basically saying that there is nothing to learn from this tragedy beyond blaming it on the 1993 trials and convictions, an accusation which any reasonable person can discern as being untrue at best.

Posted by: kat | June 17, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am

Terrorists should be tried in accordance with the rules of the third Geneva Convention in 1949… NOT in accordance with our Constitution.
They are entitled to fair treatment and humane treatment,and ” shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, including prohibition of outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.
The passing of sentences must also be pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.
These are the laws under which detainees should be adjudicated…. not under the laws of our Constitution even though many of the rules are similar.
This is what Mccain has said and what Obama is against.
Sometimes I think our congressmen,like those in the play “Oklahoma”, are too busy pretending to PROTECT the Constitution.. to READ it!

Posted by: questioner | June 17, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am

BTW, if I’m not mistaken, I think Bill Clinton’s recommendations for strengthening anti-terrorist measures and training were ignored. And I seriously doubt the trial of the ’93 perpetrators has anything to do with Scheumann’s allegations of a law enforcement model applied to terrorism.

Posted by: kat | June 17, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am

Questioner- McCain wants habeus corpus suspended for the detainees, something which flies in the face of the Geneva Conventions.

Posted by: kat | June 17, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am

There is no way that non us citizens accused of acts against the united states as a whole should have any rights under the consitution.
They should only get rights under the geneva convention.

Posted by: snell | June 17, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am

Why care about Tiger Wood’s endorsement?
I like him very much and I admire him for his attitude but doesn’t mean I will follow him to vote his candidate.
BTW, I think his mother is Thai and his father is black (?).

Posted by: catleya | June 17, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am

McCain was -good enough – for Kerry in 2004, well he is good enough for a vote AGAINST THE Obambi and crew in 2008!!
PUMA Democrat
“The enthusiasm of Democrats for Mr. McCain, an Arizona Republican, is so high that even some who have been mentioned as possible Kerry running mates — including Senator Bill Nelson of Florida and Bob Kerrey, the former Nebraska senator — are spinning scenarios about a ”unity government,” effectively giving Mr. Kerry a green light to reach across the political aisle and extend an offer.
”Senator McCain would not have to leave his party,” Mr. Kerrey said. ”He could remain a Republican, would be given some authority over selection of cabinet people. The only thing he would have to do is say, ‘I’m not going to appoint any judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade,’ ” the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, which Mr. McCain has said he opposes.
Chris Lehane, a Democratic strategist who once worked for Mr. Kerry, said such a ticket ”would be the political equivalent of the Yankees signing A-Rod,” referring to Alex Rodriguez, the team’s star third baseman.
Mr. Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee, ”continues to be interested in” Mr. McCain, a fellow Vietnam veteran whom Kerry aides describe as the candidate’s best friend in the Senate, as a running mate, said one longtime Democratic official who works for the Kerry campaign.

Posted by: Just Words | June 17, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am

The inexperienced, condescending, flip flopping, president wannabe. We can’t allow such a thing, we can’t have another wannabe learn the job or the responsibilities that comes with running the country while in the White House. We dealt with Bush get hands on experience and look at how it ended for the country. Vote with your brain not with your passion, leave that for the bedroom where it belongs.

Posted by: persio | June 17, 2008, 3:06 am 3:06 am

The Huffington Post has a great piece on the gaps and lies and blunders in McCain’s military record. Wish the MSM would give it the attention Clinton got for her Big Tuzla Lie.
McCain crashed five planes as a pilot.
FIVE.
The man is a disaster.
Somebody call a retirement home!

Posted by: McWorse | June 17, 2008, 3:18 am 3:18 am

Make this a main issue in the GE!
Guantanamo is an international scandal. It has enormously damaged America’s reputation in the world as a country of law and justice.
Ans yes, it is AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION.
That’s why Ron Paul hates Bush and McCain so much.
THEY are the anti-Americans, the non-patriots. McCain has NO RESPECT for the greatest of all things American: our Constitution.
REAL AMERICANS DON’T VOTE MCCAIN
It’s pretty symbolic that his Democratic opponent has been lecturing on the Constitution for many years to American univerity students… McCain experienced? He could learn a LOT from Obama about core American values, laws, justice and ethics.

Posted by: hank | June 17, 2008, 3:27 am 3:27 am

If Osama Bin Laden was captured by US, would he be kept in Guantanamo Bay or put on trial for the world to see?
I’d assume that latter. And if he was put on trial, I don’t think anyone would say he is common criminal.

The issue comes to do this, re: rights for prisoners, even foreign combatants. Let’s assume that everyone in the Gitmo is a terrorist. Our values will be vindicated if we can prove to the world the insidiousness of the terrorist threat. Additionally, we need to ensure that a future administration doesn’t lower the bar and imprison foreign nationals that are not terrorists. Basically, there needs to be some procedure, that’s what the Supreme Court was stating. That no one is above the law.

Posted by: Mark Treitel | June 17, 2008, 3:28 am 3:28 am

Also make this an ISSUE.
Terrorist flying a fully loaded passenger jet airplane at over 300 mph into the twin towers murdering innocnet people should also be an issue and why Obama wants to treat these Illegal terrorists as Legal citizens.

Posted by: hank | June 17, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am

All those people saying McCain is throwing the Constitution away are simply nuts. The Constitution of the USA is only for the citizens of the USA. Other countries have their own Constitutions as well. The US Constitution does not apply to other countries’ citizens. It is getting really ridiculous that now it protects the rights of the terrorists who want to kill us.

Posted by: george | June 17, 2008, 3:34 am 3:34 am

Hank,
I don’t think anyone is arguing that these terrorists are deserving anything than the full extent of the law. Think about Israel and the Eichman trial. Israel put Adolph Eichman on trial for the entire world to see what crimes he did. Granted the analogy is not 100% because Nazism was already over and there is a large terrorist threat today. But look at the trial of Saddam Hussein and how important it is for our societies, all world societies to put incarnate evil on evil on trial for their evils. There was a 60 Minutes piece a few months ago about a Turkish citizen who was not a terrorist and who was placed in Guantanamo Bay for over a year (I think two) before he was released. Trials also cause closure for the victims. Thank you for your points.

Posted by: Mark Treitel | June 17, 2008, 3:38 am 3:38 am

Re: “The US Constitution does not apply to other countries’ citizens.”
It does when they are in our country or under our control.

Posted by: Karen | June 17, 2008, 3:46 am 3:46 am

So does wrapping bombs around people and telling them they will get 12 virgins when they blow up buses loaded with people.

Posted by: Karen | June 17, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am

How would you like it if your riding a train one day all of a sudden you see a flash of light then a second later a thunder so loud your ears burst. Then everything exploding around you. Covered in blood and body parts of kids. ALL BECAUSE OBAMA wanted to treat these Illegals like honest legal hard working Americans.

Posted by: Karen | June 17, 2008, 3:53 am 3:53 am

Too bad Bush Junior ignored all those specific intelligence briefs about Al Queda attacking the US with airplanes…because he was too busy taking that month-long vacation at his fake rancho during the summer of 2001. Guess that little 9/11 thing kind of ruins his “no terrorist attacks” record.

Posted by: wilderrr | June 17, 2008, 4:14 am 4:14 am

McCain IS confused…

Posted by: Nancy | June 17, 2008, 4:42 am 4:42 am

I hope McCain keeps our troops in Iraq a THOUSAND YEARS and bomb bomb bombs Iran and sends 500,000 troops there for a thousand years. We’d see gas prices drop at least a dollar. GO MCCAIN 08!!!

Posted by: republicans4ever | June 17, 2008, 4:50 am 4:50 am

Beldar on Yoo on Boumediene; and related thoughts on Obama’s preference to rely on criminal prosecutions to fight international terrorists

I respectfully concur, without reservation, with Prof. John Yoo’s observations on Boumediene. ******* Sen. Barack Obama, meanwhile, has put himself squarely back into a 1993-style, early-Clinton Administration mode of considering our conflict with radi…

Posted by: BeldarBlog | June 17, 2008, 5:01 am 5:01 am

McCain’s team is really reaching here. Their “response” has no bearing on what was said.
If having Guantanamo hold people without any sort of checks on whether they are guilty is such a vital part of the “War on Terror”, why does McCain want to close it down as soon as he’s in office?
Of course it’s vital to fight terrorist networks, but Rumsfeld’s approach was totally counterproductive. I guarantee you it has created more terrorists than it stopped.
Guantanamo is under American sovereignty and should follow American law. But really the whole process of finding and interrogating terrorists needs to be reviewed. They’ve swept up so many people and given them such bad treatment that now they are scared to release them because (1) they’ll tell their stories (2) some have gone insane (3) goat herders who were picked up “for having an AK 47 on the Afghan border” (which is like having a blackberry in Washington) maybe now hate the US enough to join the Taliban. One or two of them at least.
The pottery barn rule: We broke them, now we own them. Except we’re talking about people in jail cells.

Posted by: Rocky | June 17, 2008, 5:21 am 5:21 am

I see them, the code-language words on McCain destined to label the man old. Just like they did with Clinton. I wonder how many of them are paid Obama-campaigners hired to fight the smear?
Obama refuses to debate because the Obama lobbyist are trying to buy the election down right.

Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | June 17, 2008, 5:45 am 5:45 am

We love you Senator Obama!
McCain is a 3rd Bush Term period!
Obama 2008/2012 Go Bama!!!

Posted by: Bishop9109 | June 17, 2008, 5:53 am 5:53 am

Progressive Candidate John McCain comes through for America with his 3R economic plan.
In the aura of Theodore Roosevelt, McCain’s plan just makes sense.
1. RETHINK: America must rethink the global views on what America is capable of in our current state of technology, engineering and the demands that face the world.
“RETHINK” in terms of re-action means to set forth this plan.
Most Americans know where the USA falls short in the ways of manufacturing and valuable jobs.
It’s time to meet the change of global demands with Made in USA quality and a new American workforce. Oddly enough, the framework is ready and waiting for this plan and active participation. The Progressive attitude of John McCain to get things done will resurrect America.
2. REFORM: America must rise to these demands and compete aggressively in a global economy. We must demand higher quality products and less restricted trade routes for Made in USA components.
”RE-FORM” is simple to comprehend as through John McCain’s Progressive attitudes, the USA will reform our manufacturing and hit it full steam ahead!
Made in USA has always meant highest quality products at moderate prices. The difference today is, we save loose change with Imported Chinese junk products, but few high paying jobs exist to do anything except buy the cheaper foreign-made products.
3. REINVENT: America and Americans must reinvent themselves to reach and maintain these standards and by sheer American ingenuity, control the world’s marketplace in the competitive manner, as we have always been proud to rule. Can you hear Theodore Roosevelt shouting this?
”RE-INVENT” is the exciting part of McCain’s 3R plan.
Americans in need of a future and without the desire, funding or free time to spend 2 to 8 years in college can go back to a re-invented manufacturing education. McCain’s formula allows these new students, young and old, to be paid a moderate paycheck while learning their new skills and leadership roles in hands on classrooms! Without costing taxpayers or the US government additional funds, we can literally change the face of America and the world.
NUTS AND BOLTS of the matter are simple.
Mealer Companies and other Green Engineering firms that actually have the answers to viable fossil free transportation and climate control for home and office that saves billions per year, realize why low cost energy has been avoided. Billions in savings means millions of taxes lost! The government makes major operating expenses from energy taxes.
Everything from Electricity to home heating and gasoline/diesel.
No taxes, no government… Here’s the 3R solution!
McCain’s 3R Plan takes hold and the USA goes a bit greener.
Learning the skills required in order to become the American driving force behind new USA manufacturing boom, many Americans will also gain the skills to become the CEOs and leaders of their own USA Mfg arenas. Leading a group of people who love their new lifestyle is not difficult and Americans have been proving American ingenuity and leadership since Theodore Roosevelt’s Progressive Republican era.
Initial estimates of 1 in 5 students will go on to begin his or her own company and drive even more Americans into a viable lifestyle with real jobs, real benefits and a retirement to look forward to. Many students will combine forces and create successful joint ventures.
America has the means to follow through with John McCain’s 3R plan, ready and in place across the USA. The buildings we need sit vacant for the most part. America has millions of people screaming for new and improved jobs.
Senator McCain has provided the new guard for Social Security, the promise of retirement and the dreams that can be realized by Americans who would otherwise be lost or at the mercy of a dying workforce. This is the new workforce for American’s future.
By assuming leases on abandoned stores and factories across America with MC-3R schools and mini-manufacturing training centers, the USA made products can be sold and support the stores. Building owners write off the loss in taxes over a few years!
Although the thousands of new businesses manufacturing USA Made products is exciting enough, the real excitement comes from the massive amount of additional jobs that will be created to provide the new housing, new buildings, new parks, shopping, grocery stores, schools, government outlets and so much more.
The Key PROBLEM with the housing slump and the huge crude oil buy-out is not from greedy developers or greedy oil companies, but from the desire to locate and invest in the era’s best investments. Housing was #1 until the investment funds were pulled and crude oil took its place as a commodity. McCain will get us out of the mess that threatens the world’s economy.
These three R’s will be accomplished by the McCain express and through wealthy American entrepreneurs who were once able to invest in America’s manufacturing capabilities but have since fallen into investments that have caused catastrophic world economy failure.
McCain’s Progressive nature embodies Theodore Roosevelt more than any other US presidential candidate in history since.
We need John McCain to lead our nation.

Posted by: John Lewis Mealer | June 17, 2008, 6:24 am 6:24 am

everyone changes their mind about something, and it should be that way. the world is not stagnant. one of bush’s biggest faults was his inability to re-assess and change his position when the situation called for it.

Posted by: tr | June 17, 2008, 6:58 am 6:58 am

What was Obama doing in Pakistan a few years back. Did he visit the madrasas to collect money for his campaign ?

Posted by: vs | June 17, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am

Watching and listening to John McCain is a Near-death Experience.
The USA could use some LIFE.
And some INTELLECT.
And some CIVILITY.
And some POWER.
Barack OBAMA please!

Posted by: maria magdalena | June 17, 2008, 7:35 am 7:35 am

I wish the written version of these interviews were a verbatim transcript of the live interview.
The written version always make Obama look more articulate than he really is.
Every live interview or questioning of Obama has him inserting at least 5-10 “uh…uh..uh..uh” stumblings (as he tries to remembered the scripted reply) in each answer.
I just watched an 11-minute question and answer with Obama and he had 144 “uhs” when tried to converse.
Now I know why he does not want to get into a Town Hall type debate with McCain.
Vote “Uh-bama”?

Posted by: Sally Frank | June 17, 2008, 7:35 am 7:35 am

Can anyone please list the top three accomplishments in Obama’s life – other than “nosing out” Hillary Clinton in the primary – that demonstrate he’s qualified to be president of the U.S.? There MUST BE something there…

Posted by: petee | June 17, 2008, 7:35 am 7:35 am

peetee,
if you know what they are please tell us. I cannot think of anything.
i want to-all that seems to come to mind is he gives good prepared speeches.
three,humm, i can’t think of any.
well someone might say his no war non vote.
but, when he did get a chance to vote,
he sided with funding, so.
three?
no, cannot think of three.
if you know please tell us.

Posted by: js | June 17, 2008, 7:45 am 7:45 am

obama, he plays both sides of the coin.
the man couldn’t make a decision if YOUR life depended on it.

Posted by: trettione | June 17, 2008, 7:45 am 7:45 am

everyone changes their mind about something, and it should be that way. the world is not stagnant. one of bush’s biggest faults was his inability to re-assess and change his position when the situation called for it.
*****************************
Not sure which side of the political spectum you’re on, but your comment is one of the few here that actually makes sense.
The inability to admit errors and correct them, is one of the biggest flaws with our political system.
None of our leaders can predict the future. They have to work with limited, and often scewed information. That always being the case, mistakes will certainly be made.
Bush was so concerned with appearing “resolved” in his decision making, he would not admit his judgement was wrong on several issues.
To continue on a wrong course out of some notion of “resolve” or “conviction” when it is obviously bad for the nation is nothing more than childish stubbornness or sheer stupidity.
To change fundimental ideology, however, is not the same thing as changing policy. Changing positions on issues such as abortion or human rights is not a retrospetive critique. It is a complete change in a socio-political stance. These types of changes are almost always politically motivated and do warrant the term “flip-flop”.

Posted by: Agreed - I think? | June 17, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am

McCain is a war criminal.
Let’s send the dumbo to Guantanamo without the right the remain silent, without an attorney in sight, without a court’s decision, a give some of the waterboarding treatments he voted for.
McCain is dirt.
We got to reinvent America if senile sickos like McCain can run for office.

Posted by: mos | June 17, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am

peetee,
i think you have really stumped us today with the obama three question.
very good.
but yes he did beat sen. clinton.
and i suppose that is all the qualificaton you need to be potus.
with sen. clinton now off the scene.
what are the three, or even one accomplishment that obama has done that would qualify him to be president.

Posted by: js | June 17, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am

America the free the …just. NOT
Americans lovers of peace………..NOT
Where do you think your sons and daughters will turn to when they can’t afford College the military?
Who’s really paying for this war…?
3000 Americans died!!!! Don’t forget the Vet’s who have fallen in IRAQ.
So we attack IRAQ the wrong country. The rest of the world is wondering will they be next. While the Guy who is
Responsible is still at Large… I like Obama because he’s not a Hot Head like McCain. Who’s making money off this war not the American people? The companies that sell weapons, fuel, and contractors, just follow the money and you can decide if always starting new wars with the wrong country is smart. I’m against baby killers just like the next American. But we have to be smart too. In theses simple words. Do not under estimate your enemies and don’t make the rest of the world think you are the enemy. Ryan post
At 11:40:06 pm hit on the head….think America we are being used to make money not freedom. All terriorist are not Muslim

Posted by: veteran4life | June 17, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am

How do you all think that McCain will be Bush’s third term? Have you all been asleep at the wheel for the last 8 yrs?
Argue on policy or leadership… but you can’t. You just try to say “Bush” and “McCain”in the same sentence enough times.
Wonderful debate on the issues. It’s stupid that we confuse this for political discourse in this country.

Posted by: Brad | June 17, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am

I just watched an 11-minute question and answer with Obama and he had 144 “uhs” when tried to converse.
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What’s really sad is that you actually spend your time counting these types of things – things which have no relevance.
You’re more concerned about how something is phrased instead of what is being said. Guess that’s your right, but it’s mine to call that stupid.
Was his tie not 100% straight either? Oh No!

Posted by: Who Cares About Policy? | June 17, 2008, 7:58 am 7:58 am

peetee,
have you noticed there is still no answer to your question.
Good question, peetee!

Posted by: js | June 17, 2008, 8:01 am 8:01 am

Terrorist flying a fully loaded passenger jet airplane at over 300 mph into the twin towers murdering innocent people should also be an issue and why Obama wants to treat these Illegal terrorists as Legal citizens.
But Obama refused to count the votes of United States Citizens in FL and MI. How eloquent

Posted by: hank | June 17, 2008, 8:07 am 8:07 am

Every vote for John McCain is a vote against America, for it is a vote against the American Constitution, our nation’s fundament.

Posted by: fred | June 17, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am

But giving Illegal TERRORISTS rights of American citizens is against our American Constitution but is alright because Obama wants it that way

Posted by: fred | June 17, 2008, 8:12 am 8:12 am

But McCain is still a better choice than Obama any day of the week..

Posted by: Juno | June 17, 2008, 8:20 am 8:20 am

Re: “The US Constitution does not apply to other countries’ citizens.”
It does when they are in our country or under our control.
false.

Posted by: meoky | June 17, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am

McCain’s childhood was a joke.
McCain’s service in the US Army was a failure.
McCain’s marriage was a scandal.
McCain’s political career was a gimmick.
And now his last days are utterly annoying.

Posted by: Arthur Schopenhauer | June 17, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am

The issue is not about “protecting terrorists”. NO ONE is suggeting that. Everyone, and yes Obama, believes the terrorists are bastards and should be stopped.
The issue is whether we should be able to hold INNOCENT people for unstated lengths of time simply because of possible suspicion – with no legal recourse at all.
I realize most GOP supporters don’t care about anyone else, but some of us do. It’s HUMAN rights, not just American rights we’re talking about.
Our constitution serves multiple puposes, but one is to protect basic HUMAN rights. I could care less if they are citizens or not, there is a standard of decency that should be applied to everyone. And until we have proof of guilt, that standard should be met.
The Republicans feel that TORTURE and detaining ANYONE who MIGHT be connected to terorism is justified.
We should throw your ass in jail, away from your family, for 3, 4, 5 or more years for something you had nothing to do with.
I’m sure you’d be ok with that since someone, somewhere said you MIGHT be involved with terorism. Right?

Posted by: Your Oversimplification is Lame | June 17, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am

Re: “The US Constitution does not apply to other countries’ citizens.”
It does when they are in our country or under our control.
——-
false.
*******************************
Actually, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the Supreme Court just say that is True?
That the non-citizens too have rights?

Posted by: False? | June 17, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am

We recently learned that McCain doesn’t know anything about the use of computers and the Internet.
It amazes me that that confession hasn’t become a serious topic; to me it proves that he is truly out of touch with life in the 21st century.
He doesn’t even know that “computers” and “the Internet” DETERMINE a large part of life, society and polics in these times.
Having McCain for President would be a very cynical joke in these trying times.
Btw: modern terrorists would LOVE to fight an administration whose President knows NOTHING about computers and the Internet. For they know ALL about it… They’d be more clever than the POTUS!

Posted by: gregory | June 17, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am

*******************************
Actually, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the Supreme Court just say that is True?
That the non-citizens too have rights?
****************************************no – unfortunately you are correct, that is exactly what they have done.

Posted by: meoky | June 17, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am

The TERRORIST captured and detained fall under this rule. The rules are meant to keep Terrorists from committing further acts of terrorism until the threat ends.
So what i am saying these TERRORIST are welcome to move into my home town and design bombs that you can wrap around peoples waist and start TERRORIST training camps in my back yard.

Posted by: False? | June 17, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am

McCain’s response shows how either slick or dumb they are and how they are banking on the same idea as the Bush when it comes to the American people’s ability to make decisions based through smarts rather than impulsive fear.
Dumb countries or countries that fall prey to politicians and administrations that use fear to get support for their reactive and aggressive stances …who react without level thought…are the countries that ultimately over and over …fail.
what McCain’s campaign shows with this reaction is they have learned nothing from the mistakes of the past 8 years. They have not learned that America lead because it was not an indescriminate reactionary… it lead by always holding up what was “right” first…
Liberty and that all people are created equal… is all powerful and what made us who we are.
It is sad that we are being tested by another politician who wants to use that for their own gain again…and has lost sight of what will inevitably destroy us …if we are not fighting for those values …then we are only fighting for our own liberties…that is not the same as fighting for “liberty and justice for all”…and he as a past American prisoner of war should be ashamed of that mistake he is presently making.
Not again John…not again.

Posted by: dl | June 17, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am

The world would be a much better place with out computers allowing TERRORIST access to the rest of the worlds KNOWLEDGE to design bombs and organize mass terror strikes against America.

Posted by: gregory | June 17, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am

Is anyone noting that Obama is standing with the Muslims? He wants to give every detainee (POW) a trial in the U.S. Courts. You can all kiss your tax breaks, free college, health care, etc. etc. etc. goodbye. Those trials are going to cost more than all of Obama’s promised social programs combined.

Posted by: HoosierSue | June 17, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am

To all those who rage against giving “rights” to terrorists:
it’s not about their rights that we care, it’s about America as a country of a transparent law and justice that we care, about our nation’s ethical standards, about the moral examples we set to the world, about the power and universal appeal of our Constitution and the Human Rights Act etc etc. Don’t forget that; it’s patriotism in the name of our Constitution that makes us despise Gunatanamo Bay and the torture of prisoners, it is our American Christo-Judean conscience and morality that speaks when we call for JUSTICE being done.

Posted by: gregory | June 17, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am

Be aware that someone is using dl as a name that is not dl.

Posted by: dl | June 17, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am

Lets give the TERROIST welfare and a section 8 housing until their fair and honest trial starts.

Posted by: gregory | June 17, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am

The real “dl” actually knows what seems to feel good for those who are afraid in the short term but is not courageous for our kids and grandkids.
If we lose the ability to hold fast to the right for people to have a fair trial…that ALL people are created equal…that kiberty and JUSTICE for ALL is our driving mantras…
then our children’s America and or our grandchildren’s America …loses.
because then we are no longer the America our fathers. mothers, ancestors and founders fought for.
again
McCain’s response shows how either slick or dumb they are and how they are banking on the same idea as the Bush when it comes to the American people’s ability to make decisions based through smarts rather than impulsive fear.
Dumb countries or countries that fall prey to politicians and administrations that use fear to get support for their reactive and aggressive stances …who react without level thought…are the countries that ultimately over and over …fail.
what McCain’s campaign shows with this reaction is they have learned nothing from the mistakes of the past 8 years. They have not learned that America lead because it was not an indescriminate reactionary… it lead by always holding up what was “right” first…
Liberty and that all people are created equal… is all powerful and what made us who we are.
It is sad that we are being tested by another politician who wants to use that for their own gain again…and has lost sight of what will inevitably destroy us …if we are not fighting for those values …then we are only fighting for our own liberties…that is not the same as fighting for “liberty and justice for all”…and he as a past American prisoner of war should be ashamed of that mistake he is presently making.
Not again John…not again.

Posted by: dl | June 17, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am

I usually resort to lies and pulling out the race card. NO one has been able to beat the RACE CARD yet.
Posted by: jmc663 | Jun 17, 2008 9:12:32 AM
********
Unless you use to mentally impaired card, which McCain has a whole deck of, LOL!

Posted by: Fired UP!! | June 17, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am

“Liberty and that all people are created equal… is all powerful and what made us who we are.”
Nice sound bite. Vacuous though. And so wrong.
Liberty is the right obtained by having the strength and wisdom to defend us from our enemies. A judge that put’s our enemies on our streets to attack us is neither strong nor wise. Those that celebrate such decisions shall soon have no liberties by which to claim the rights of equality.
The left will sacrifice all to claim a principle. The right protect all so that principles may be claimed.

Posted by: len | June 17, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am

Hooser…Obama is NOT standing with the terrorists, he is saying that we need to stand by the Geneva convention. We need to treat prisoners we are holding, with descensy no matter what they did, that is our law. I personllay think McCain LOVES to torture these guys( he totally believes in waterboarding and other torture). Maybe he wants to return what he got. Remember, we need to be careful, because this country HAS taken Muslim into prison who are actually innocent. They were arrested ONLY because they were Muslim. Wer cannot kill and torture people. That makes us just as bad as the terrorists.

Posted by: militarymom | June 17, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am

Don’t worry Democrats. McCain will serve you proudly as commander in chief. Not like Obama who will only serve the interest of foreign countries by first creating an environment of forcing more companies out of the country with his ELOQUENT tax program

Posted by: scar head | June 17, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am

Len
courage comes from doing the right thing…
we have the ability to hold these people…kill them torutre them…
and yes…they will never attack us…
they will never move next door to you and I
they will never breathe another word of anti-American sentiment…
but the ten more that are suddenly open to the words they said because we are not the country we said we were…
and the ten countries whose leaders and their people’s who fought for such a great country…suddenly don’t think we are as great as we werre… so they are not pressured to fight with us and those values…(because we know longer stand for those values)
is a very very bad direction for our safety…our existence…our economy our children’s adult lives…
We have seen this already. The past 8 years has shown what happens to the size and validity of al quaeda, the taliban, the new terrorist groups growing in southeast asia exponentially now and Ahmadenijad’s reach and invitations… by the policies we have implemented.
They get stronger.
so you worry about them moving next door to you…all the while…their mothership feeds on that…
The terrorists bank on the fear you speak of.

Posted by: dl | June 17, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am

“courage comes from doing the right thing…”
No, courage comes from knowing what the right thing is and doing it when all about you tell you it is the wrong thing.
Pretty speeches without actions are the common resort of those who embezzle our interests to serve their own.

Posted by: len | June 17, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

Len like I said…
courage comes from doing the right thing…whether someone tells you it is the wrong thing or not…
throwing out liberty and the values that our forefathers built this country on for the sake of temporary safety…is not the right thing…nor courageous.

Posted by: dl | June 17, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

The general electorate

The Atlantics Marc Ambinder has examined some recent polls and has determined some common themes among them. The first one may surprise you:
There is a remarkable consistency across all these polls, one that helps us draw certain boundaries aro…

Posted by: Sister Toldjah | June 17, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Prisoners have been taken in all wars. The Geneva Convention details the rights and treatment that these prisoners of war should be afforded. However, the Geneva Convention ALSO provides a very specific definition of a “prisoner of war.” These Islamic terrorists do NOT fall within that definition of a “prisoner of war” therefore they are not CALLED “prisoners of war.” However, they are in fact individuals who have been taken prisoners DURING A WAR. They are NOT criminal defendants. They are wartime prisoners.
When a common combatant is taken prisoner during war, there is NO expectation of a trial. They are usually held until the war is over, at which time they are released and allowed to return home to their families. Trials are traditionally held for only the masterminds and leaders when these individuals have committed crimes beyond just fighting on the battlefield. Once the war is over, these individuals who remain detained pending their trial are then recognized as “defendants” and are THEN afforded defendant’s rights.
From the moment that the detention of these Islamic extremists began, it was known that only the “worst of the worst” would be held for trial. All of the others were, and are, just wartime prisoners. Now then over 400 of the original detainees have already been released for many different reasons. Some were determined to have been mis-identified; some were determined to have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time; and some were released because the authorities determined they no longer posed a serious threat (many of these were transferred to the authorities within their home country).
As for the U. S. Supreme Court’s ruling, it now gives the same rights that are afforded to criminal defendants to these wartime prisoners. Rights above that afforded to “prisoners of war” according to the Geneva Convention. THAT is a terrible precedent. Next we may have to give the Miranda warnings to future detainees — in their own language.

Posted by: James Danley | June 17, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

petee:
Obama’s top three accomplishments that determine that he’s qualified to be president…
Well, he hasn’t crossed the Delaware and defeated the British. It’s an interesting thought experiment to apply to all presidents before they were elected, not just Obama.
Probably it’d be:
- Winning his US senate seat in a landslide.
- Being right on Iraq and making speeches about it when it was politically unpopular.
- Coming from a broken home to where he is now.
Feel free to post your list for your favorite president, whether Bill Clinton or George W. Bush.
John McCain would be:
- Winning re-election three times
- Refusing early release from being a POW
- (Not sure)
But frankly, I wouldn’t support him if he’d won 14 major golf titles, because as the NYT said today, he’s very similar to Bush on policy.

Posted by: Rocky | June 17, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

“throwing out liberty and the values that our forefathers built this country on for the sake of temporary safety…is not the right thing…nor courageous.”
Telling people that a rattlesnake has the right to live under your front door step protected by the same rights as your children is simply stupid. The rattlesnakes will proliferate but your children will have to protect themselves.
Our forefathers killed the rattlesnakes. More snakes were born but they killed those too.

Posted by: len | June 17, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

Winning his US senate seat in a landslide.
ACCOMPLISHMENT? THROWING PRIMARY OPPONENTS OFF THE BALLOT, UNSEALING DIVORCE RECORDS, FACING A NUT JOB CARPETBAGGER.
STRIKE 1
- Being right on Iraq and making speeches about it when it was politically unpopular.
WRONG ABOUT THE SURGE. VOTES PRESENT. NEVER VOTED AGAINST THE WAR. SOFT ON TERRORISM. WANTS TO APPEASE IRAN AND OTHER PRO-TERRORIST NATIONS
BIG WHIFF STRIKE 2
- Coming from a broken home to where he is now.
COMES FROM WELL-TO-DO FAMILY, JOINED A RACIST BLACK MILITANT CHURCH TO GET WHERE HE IS NOW. HAD EMIL JONES STRONG ARM PEOPLE OUT OF THE WAY. THREW ALICE PALMER UNDER THE BUS. USED SUPERDELEGATES, HAD A SYCHOPHANT MEDIA, PLACE THE RACE CARD, AND DISENFRANCHISED VOTERS TO GET THE UNOFFICIALL NOMINATION
SWINGS AND MISSES. STRIKE THREE
OBAMA HAS NOT DONE DIDDILY SQUAT.

Posted by: GEEVILL | June 17, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

McCain looking to the tired old GOP playbook of the past:
Generally speaking, Rove’s advice is action-oriented and useful,” said another senior consultant to the McCain camp. “It’s always well received.” This McCain adviser noted that Rove talks periodically to Black and a few other top campaign aides on several key matters. “It can be policy ideas, messaging ideas, fundraising prospects, or people who need calls from someone in the campaign.” Rove is “part of the information network that the campaign has,” this adviser said, adding that Rove talks fairly regularly to such key people as Wayne Berman, a major fundraiser for McCain; Nicolle Wallace, a communications adviser; and Steve Schmidt, a senior aide.
McCain the same as Bush – even uses the same people and tactics as Bush.

Posted by: GEEVIL | June 17, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

Obama has the reputation for being soft on crime in Chicago–the gang violence there is rampant.
I don’t trust him to protect our country.

Posted by: cindy in nc | June 17, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

GEEVIL
Thanks for all the caps.
1. You are talking about the Illinois Senate campaign. I was talking about the US Senate campaign, which he won with 70% of the vote.
2. No he didn’t vote against the war, not being in the US Senate at that time. However, he spoke out about it forcefully at a time when few else were, including Democrats. He’s been vindicated by events. Appeasement — please, read a bit about it.
3. Try some anti-psychotic medication.

Posted by: Rocky | June 17, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

Obama is so out of touch with reality (and Constitutional law) it’s staggering!

Posted by: Cory | June 17, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

Sometimes the most stupid comments have the most truth in them.

Posted by: joe | June 17, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

One of the major news networks (starts with a “C” and ends with an “N”) did a detailed comparison of Obama and McCain tax plans last week. Unless you make over $160,000 a year…your tax burden will be going UP under McCain and DOWN with Obama. That makes McCain just like Bush Junior…an enemy of America’s hard-working middle-class and a puppet of the wealthiest. Bottom line: If McSame’s elected (and you’re not rich) get ready for FOUR MORE YEARS OF PAIN and SUFFERING.

Posted by: wilderrr | June 17, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Terrorists are criminals (not common… no one ever said that they were common). Terrorism is a tactic. You can’t declare “War” against a tactic.

Posted by: ThunderMonkey | June 17, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

McBush…because you don’t really value your freedom.

Posted by: kravitz | June 17, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

Terrorism is a tactic. You can’t declare “War” against a tactic.
Posted by: ThunderMonkey | Jun 17, 2008 2:19:48 PM
a Tactic? Are you kidding me? Tactics are operational functions to execute, carry-out a strategy or plan. It is the mechanical motion to achieve an overall goal. Terrorism is many things, but it is NOT a tactic. What it is, is a battle against an ideology, with which you cannot negotiate. An extreme radical is not going to suddenly stop and say, “oh Mr. Obama you’re right, and we’ve been wrong all these years, my apologies, we go now”
I’m not excited about McCain either, but he is right in that Obama is incredibly naive in International Politics, and Interantional Law. The most persistent problem in which, is achieving common definitions and an agreed upon punishment for crimes, corruption, terrorism. What is corruption in the U.S., is part of the culture and ways of business in countries like Indonesia. Just ask companies like P&G, who had to play by their rules in business, but get smacked by U.S. law.
Obama is clueless in the international realm, and that is what scares me

Posted by: Tactical Error | June 17, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Terrorism is a tactic. You can’t declare “War” against a tactic.
Posted by: ThunderMonkey | Jun 17, 2008 2:19:48 PM
a Tactic? Are you kidding me? Tactics are operational functions to execute, carry-out a strategy or plan. It is the mechanical motion to achieve an overall goal. Terrorism is many things, but it is NOT a tactic. What it is, is a battle against an ideology, with which you cannot negotiate. An extreme radical is not going to suddenly stop and say, “oh Mr. Obama you’re right, and we’ve been wrong all these years, my apologies, we go now”
I’m not excited about McCain either, but he is right in that Obama is incredibly naive in International Politics, and Interantional Law. The most persistent problem in which, is achieving common definitions and an agreed upon punishment for crimes, corruption, terrorism. What is corruption in the U.S., is part of the culture and ways of business in countries like Indonesia. Just ask companies like P&G, who had to play by their rules in business, but get smacked by U.S. law.
Obama is clueless in the international realm, and that is what scares me

Posted by: jpnc | June 17, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Terrorism;
Princeton defines terrorism as:
terrorism
noun
the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
The point here is who are the ones that are prone to FEAR. Is it the American people, that is fearful of attack after 911, when our President allowed Bin laden family to leave the country??
Is it the American people, that is fearful because Bush SOLD THE WAR IN IRAQ, under false pretense.
Is Americans fearful because the FBI, THE CIA, THE NSA and others under the BUSH Admin. allowed this to happen under his watch, with the blame being put on Iraq.
THE ONE WE SHOULD BE FEARFUL OF IS McCAIN AND THE OLD BUSH CLAN.. YES WE CAN

Posted by: American10 | June 17, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

This comment the war should be fought by lawyers is just plain stupid, they going to duel with pens. Shows Obama is just plain ignorant when it comes to the war. I can’t believe even the Dems by that one….If they do it just show what a joke they are…… On top of that comment he wants open borders what’s wrong with this man?? Oh that’s right 57 states

Posted by: Reddesires | June 17, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

NEWSFLASH:
PUMA Democrats to Take Back their Party.
Pelosi, Dean, Reid, Kerry, Brazile, MSNBC, Richardson and Obama will be the first to be held ACCOUNTABLE.

Posted by: JustWords | June 17, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

Your kidding me. What on earth is wrong with staying within the confines of our precious Constitution while fighting terrorists? Are you all so cowardly that you wish to toss away that which makes us special to begin with, that which millions of men have died over our history to preserve? My God I do not believe what I am seeing. The problem is not the terrorists, it is our own terror.

Posted by: Jammer | June 17, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

Yea, if only Obama would’ve been president during WWII, then surely Hitler would have sit down with him and worked it all out and never would have invaded Poland or France! NOTTTTTT! Yeah right! Has anybody noticed that the emperor doesn’t have any clothes on yet?!

Posted by: Wayne | June 17, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm

Seems like a lot of people were reading this one…and when people really read and analyze the words Obama says instead of watching them performed….they “get it”
Obama has taken bits and peices of all the recent campaigns and studied them. Then he took whatever worked and used it.
Unfortunately for public policy he seems inclined to take old ideas that didn’t work and policies and positions that do not appeal to centrists, but rather pander to his base (elites, younger voters and most of all the ones that believe that Obama is the second coming).
I appreciate your attempts to introduce us to Obama. I prefer it to the outspoken advocacy and the rampant glorification that the media has by and large inflicted on the average voter throughout the primary.

Posted by: Jackie | June 18, 2008, 3:16 am 3:16 am

This is a joke right? No? THen Obama and all his groupies are the joke.

Posted by: DD | June 18, 2008, 6:59 am 6:59 am

The whole point IS THAT PRES. BUSH IS FOLLOWING THE CONSTITUTION TO THE LETTER.ENEMY COMBATATANTS HAVE NO CIVIL RIGHTS AT A TIME OF WAR AND THEY ARE HELD WITH NO “CHARGES” TILL THE END OF HOSTILITIES JUST LIKE DURING WWII.READ OUR HISTORY AND READ THE DECLARTION OF INDEPENDENCE AND THE CONSTITUTION, YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING!

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