Minnesota Feminist Leader Will Not Vote for Obama, Doesn’t Care If McCain Wins

Well, I have 3 teen-agers (all of them girls), so it’s not unimportant to me. It is a question I will have to weigh carefully in the months to come. It (by this I mean the Supreme Court in general, NOT just Roe v. Wade) is possibly the only reason why I could bring myself to vote for Obama. I think there will be a Democratic Congress, and I also think McCain will work with people; he tends to be more of a centrist.
I read something last week which pointed out that should mcCain win, and R v. Wade is overturned, it will go back to the states. The reality is that because of all the various laws, etc., abortion is not exactly available on every street corner anyway. There’s a clinic that opened about 10, 15 miles from me last summer in suburban Chicago — there are still protests. Every month, if not every week. It’s somewhat crazy.
I do know that I am so angry at this election and the process that if you ask me today (which you are), I know that I could not bring myself to vote for that inexperienced, ruthless, empty suit of a candidate and his entitled, smug, arrogant wife. Can’t do it.

Oh Jesus, Please save us from the fury of this menopausic woman !!!!!
Let’s look at the facts:
RASMUSSEN:
Obama 53, McCain 38
STAR TRIBUNE:
Obama 51, McCain 38
Oh lord this threat is so terrible. Obama is one vote away from losing Minnesota.
Take Citracal, good for bones!!

I will tell you why we feminists could let McCain win. We are working hard to elect huge Dem majorities in Congress (20 plus seats in the House and 5-7 Senate seats), and there is no way McCain could get an Alito through our Judiciary Committee. I am not even sure he would try-he wants to expand his Rebublican Party base. By not voting for Obama, we Hillary supporters can effectively show just how “unimportant” we were to the Democratic Party if McCain wins. Obama and his supporters are exactly like Rove and W in 2000. They all hate the Clintons and have forgotten just how good they were for our country.

“Revenge” votes that are obviously against the acknowledged interests of the country are the equivalent of treason in my mind. This woman is hoping that America fails just so Hillary can be President. Despite his hatred for the US’s current policies, at least Rev. Wright wanted the country to succeed and was trying to effect improvements in morality and compassion for the rest of the world. I can’t say the same for this woman.
I support the feminist movement to improve equality in this nation, but hoping the country fails just so a woman has a chance to be elected is just sickening extremism.

right, Julie!
YourTeflon man is guilt-free in every way of every thing!
His paid political posters with their disgustingly slimey off-topic rants have nothing whatso ever to do with the strong re-action of Hillary’s followers to the possibility of his getting elected.
Aside from that, what comes out of BO’s mouth is B S!
Hillary would be our best candidate!
She can’t help it if she’s white.
If not Hillary, then McCain!
Country before party

“”Revenge” votes that are obviously against the acknowledged interests of the country are the equivalent of treason in my mind”.
Still another reason to vote for HILLARY!!!

According to Real Clear Politics, even after adding the Puerto Rico votes and the vote from Florida, Obama still leads the popular vote by more than 24,000. If you add Michigan and allocate him the uncommitted vote plus the estimates from the caucus states he leads by 44,000. Only if you add the Michigan vote and give him nothing from the state does she find a metric that gives her a lead.
(from The New Republic)

I am ashamed, as a middle-aged woman who’s been around for the ‘women’s lib’ movement and the fight for the ERA of comments like Ms. Horbal’s. It is immature – I am ‘taking my toys home an won’t play with you anymore’ since I didn’t get my way. So what if it would be four more years of harm to the poor and middle classes, not to mention women and minorities. Shame on her and those who follow her lead. I guarantee you that if they follow-up with that plan and Clinton runs in 2012, there will be people openly campaigning against her just on the basis of actions like that! Either you really care about the issues, or you don’t and Ms. Horbal obviously doesn’t.

Throwing Roe vs. Wade in our faces will not change the overall fact that between McCain and Obama, McCain will be far less dangerous.
We know McCain, I respect McCain, and with a huge dem majority in both houses it is highly likely that the nominee, should there be one, will be challenged and an agreement found.
Bush won his election against Kerry and one of the most important issues was the Supreme Court. It didn’t change the outcome though did it?
I will never vote Obama, not as silly retaliation as these supporters would like to portray it, but because I find him truly scary, his associations very concerning, his bloggers offensive, and his candidacy ridiculous based upon experience level and accomplishment.
Spin it how you like, but McCain is the FAR better choice between the two.
America first.

My unborn child died somewhere around 14 wks into the pregnancy. Technically it is called a fetal death. The fetus was not passing on its own and was potentially risking complications for my wife. We elected to have it removed. Our hospital did not want to do the surgery because they don’t have much practice with removing fetuses so far along. They referred us to the local abortion clinic. The protestors assumed we were there for an abortion. My wife, morning the lost potential of our child and concerned about her own welfare, had to walk through protestors calling us murderers. We sat in the waiting room with many women from many different demographics and circumstances while listening to the protestors outside chant, “Killers! Murderers! Killers! Murderers!” Occasionally, they switched and told us how much compassion they had for us, how they forgave us and how they loved us. Then they would chant “Killers! Murderers” Killers! Murderers!” again. Vote McCain if you wish. I invite anyone voting McCain and claiming it to be a feminist vote to come and have a picnic with me. Let’s have lunch together on the grass at the clinic some Saturday, any Saturday! We can watch a wide range of women walking through the protestors. “Killers! Murderers! We love you!”

“I don’t care,” Horbal said. “Let McCain clean it up for four years, and then we can have Hillary run again.”
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I agree and I too will vote McCain.
He is a moderate and will not ever make a second term.
The dem congress will keep things in check.

Here is the bottom line: Hillary supporters were behind the most qualified candidate. Then their candidate became overshadowed by a press in love with Obama, and who said things like ‘take her out behind a barn and deal with her that way’, or have ‘her go in the room with a SuperDelegate, and only he comes out’ or ‘she’d never have been elected if her husband hadn’t cheated on her’.
Those kinds of comments can get a woman mad. But then when she stayed in, and pulled off PA, OH, TX, WV, KY, etc…to be told this was ‘irrelevant’.
OK then we started getting really mad. On the blog sites, Obama supporters have told us we are racists, irrelevant, useless old uneducated women.
Like many out there, this PhD’d female got more than a little upset.
I still want the most qualified candidate. The Democratic party won’t let me have her because they’re determined to give the nomination to Obama. They’ve told us there’s a new coalition, made up of latte liberals (I am one), blacks, and kids, and they don’t need us. Fair enough – message received and understood. I won’t be supporting you.
I still want the most qualified candidate. That leaves me with…McCain. He’s not 100% pro-life, and I agree he’d never get the judge he wanted through the Congress. So in my mind, the Dems left me with no choice.
Country over party.

I have one of million people will not vote for Obama.

I am very unhappy and believe Hillary was treated shabbily. I do think that that sexism is more in play this year vis a vis Hillary than racism in play vis a vis Obama.
I am not sure what I will do in Nov. But the press related to Obama’s two spirtual advisors, Wright and Pfleger, worry me and making me pause.

PEOPLE VOTE WHO THEY LIKE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE….NOT POLICIES, NOT WAR, NOT ECONOMY…NO ONE CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE, WE CAN LOOK AT A CANDIDATES PAST. PROMISES BROKEN BY EVERY POLITICIAN….AGAIN, PEOPLE VOTE FOR WHO THEY LIKE AND WHO DESERVES THE HIGHEST OFFICE AWARDED IN THIS COUNTRY.
IF NOT HILLARY……GO McCAIN!!!

Jake,
I am a 24 year old woman and I don’t know if I can necessarily vote for McCain, but I also don’t think I can vote for Obama. I will most likely stay home. The bottom line is, we do not feel that Hillary was given a fair chance at this election. It wasn’t just the sexist views of many people in the press, but also the urgency to get her out of the race. She was supposed to be out of this in January. And at the risk of sounding Clintonian, I believe Obama played the race card on Bill Clinton. Do we not remember the pre-SC memo that was sent out to reporters? The one racializing everything? I also think it is disgusting the way the Obama campaign used the RFK reference in a disgusting, DISGUSTING light. It leads me to believe he has absolutely no ethical judgement. You’d think if there were serious attempts on his life, Obama and his campaign wouldn’t use this as political leverage.
In essence, we feel this election was essentially robbed from us. The media blasts Clinton with every single Obama memo that comes there way, but it is rarely seen vice versa.
The Obama campaign and media can go ahead and threaten us all they want, but even if Roe v Wade is overturned, there are laws that have been passed at the state level so that abortions can remain legal.

There are many important issues and grant you that abortion is one of them but MORE important is who is at the helm of our great nation. OBAMA has not only shown poor judgment with his friends, associates and church but he is a sexist too. Look at the popular vote it is a virtual tie folks, and yet OBAMA says I have won and offers Hillary a public servant position maybe in his Administration. He will only win when he gets the needed delegates, not when he says so. This is America not the Middle East and I thought we always voted here. When the DNC gave 4 delegates to OBAMA who was not even on the ballot in Michigan they decided for 600,000 people that is what they wanted —that is so un-American that it leaves a huge sour taste in my mouth. Hillary won Texas but because of an on-going dispute Obama got more delegates–come on that was just downright unfair. If everything about OBAMA can come out before Super Tuesday none of this would have been controversial because Hillary would have been the Democratic candidate. Go vote, because your vote counts, is just “hot” air when 27 people can disregard some votes and award other delegates that were not even on the ballot. Undecided means that the candidate I want is either not on the ballot (which could mean dozens of people), or that I am undecided right now, or I want someone else in the Democratic Party….these 27 people decided for an entire State—I do not think that is even lega. OBAMA removed his name from the Michigan ballot but decided to leave his name on the Florida ballot—inconsistent again with what he says. His campaign says they were just following the DNC rules -then remove your name from both ballots or leave your name on both ballots…he did not do this as his strategy to win and now he get delegates for not even being on a ballot. This entire race has been unfair, misleading and is dividing America. I just hope the superdelegates will get their act together and realize before it is too late that there is a drum beat coming from where to energize into believing that OBAMA will change everything when the man doesn’t even know how many states we have in the Union.

Grace…absolutely…COUNTRY OVER PARTY!

McCain is a vote for war with Iran.
anyone thinking otherwise is not listening.
yeah …he’s not more dangerous.
how do we fight a war on terror…
withallies and intelligence form those allies.
you remember those…allies…strong allies that we use to have a multitude of fight to the death share everything with us allies.
we don’t get those by voting for a candidate whom our allies view as GWIII who is actively taking an aggressive stance and leaving our allies to hold the bag in the rest of the war on terror because all of our troops are either in Iraq…or injured.

All the people who say that Hillary can run again in 2012 don’t know their Democratic party history.
Democrats don’t give the loser another chance at the nomination.
Republicans will support someone who didn’t win the nomination the first timearound. You watch, Mitt Romney will be the next Republican nominee in years to come.
Not so with Democrats. You lose once, you’re done. That’s why Hillary is fighting so hard. She knows that this is her one and only shot at the presidency.

Rachel
Hillary was the victim of a corrupt party. The ultra-liberals had the deck stacked from the beginning. What’s worse is all the hate spewed BY DEMOCRATS against Hillary.
How can any woman vote for Obama?

So the only relevant qualification for president is that the candidate be a woman? SAD By the way, back in the day there were a lot of men fighting for equal rights for women. We were JUST TOOLS I guess.

I must say that I am still surprised by the temper tantrum being thrown by the Clinton supporters. Is it that hard to accept that Senator Clinton may be where she is today because of poor planning. You have to admit, she didn’t see past Super Tuesday! I understand that some in the media have been more pro-Obama than pro-Clinton. But that was probably because he was the underdog in this fight and, as we all know, people love an underdog. If your candidate was as prepared as you guys would have liked her to be to fight this all the way through, we wouldn’t be having this discussion at all.

beth
the vitriol is coming both ways…but our candidate holds the key to the countries safety, changing the bush policies and getting the world back on OUR side as Americans.
a vote is not just a popularity contest…it is the action by which you say how the soldiers are used, who should bare the brunt of tax burden…or the brunt of wealthy in this case getting tax breaks, the children who are going uncovered by healthinsurance, women’s rights being protected, oil companies telling us how our energy policies should go, right wing election promises having to be filled…
and a long shadow from a potential massive change in the supreme court.
not to mention the “market” being left like Bush to take care of the economy and the housing crisis…

Well, as a middle-aged menopausal woman who considers herself a liberal feminist that raised 3 loyal democratic daughters, I am appalled and saddened by this.
This gives proof to the theory that woman are too emotional to govern. This lady proves that theory to be correct.
We have to be about the party. The party and its platform are what democrats should support because if it is good for the party, it will be good for us.
This emotional, passionate stuff is simpy proving that men, who can step back from the issue and think clearly, are more mentally and emotionally stable to govern. It seems to me that it sets back the woman’s movement in this country about 40 years.
The Supreme Court judge selection issue is one that I preached during Senator Kerry’s run. And look what we got…Allito and Roberts. We are very close to having a court that will not only overthrow Roe V Wade but many other programs that affect women, poor of both sexes, and disabled. We have already seen the IN voting law be upheld that helps hinder poor and disabled people from voting.
This is a very shortsighted and plain stupid stance to take. And to hear the agrument that some make that McCain is centrist is just ridiculous. He is trying to appear that way for the indies and he does have a few party line breaks, but he is republican right down to his shoes. He is nearly 72 years old. He will have to choose a neo-conservative to up his cred with the fundies….something happens to McCain and then we get stuck with a REAL BY GOSH republican…Lord save us from more of that!
No, I would vote for a Chinese war-lord before I would vote for a republican.

I don’t have a problem with Clinton supporters voting for John McCain.
I do have a problem with being threatened by a bunch of sore losers.
Senator Obama has gone out of his way to campaign on the issues and left the Clintons lifetime of scandal virtually untouched throughout this campaign. Whenever he has made mistakes, he has admitted them and apologized.
The olive branch has been extended REPEATEDLY to Senator Clinton and her supporters – and they have continued to stomp on it.
I guess the simple truth is that despite all the bluster and sloganeering – the Clinton campaign could not stand the heat, was not ready on “day one”, and didn’t have the “strength and experience” to lead. Better know that now than in the White House.

Now, the fear adds to the hate tatics of the Obama bunch. Don’t fall for it!

Party…schmarty….PEOPLE VOTE FOR WHO THEY LIKE PLAIN AND SIMPLE…NO ONE CAN PRIDICT THE FUTURE AND POLITICAL PROMISES/POLICIES ALMOST NEVER MAKE IT…AMERICAN FIRST…..PARTY SECOND.

Party…schmarty….PEOPLE VOTE FOR WHO THEY LIKE PLAIN AND SIMPLE…NO ONE CAN PRIDICT THE FUTURE AND POLITICAL PROMISES/POLICIES ALMOST NEVER MAKE IT…AMERICAN FIRST…..PARTY SECOND.

bernadette | Jun 2, 2008 1:35:28 PM:
There are people openly campaigning against Hillary now! It makes her stronger!
If Obama wins, our economy will continue in the downward direction it’s currently going! He has no plan, no
experience whatsoever in “fixing” it!
His state, under his watch, is faced with the highest sales tax in the nation!
The current budget for Illinois is so enormous it makes those of California and New York look like piggy banks.
… and none of BO’s earmarks seem to be headed to (and for) the STATE!
He is audacious alright…but so was Hitler. I will not mention “Obama’s Audacious Laundry List of Lies”!
He is attracted to many questionable associates, he appears to have conflicted loyalties, and he is very much like George Bush.
I believe that others… even M E N !
might agree that Obama is not the best choice for president.
Hillary outshines him by far!
I also believe that when necessary:
Country over party!

I beg to differ with you, but Hillary WAS prepared for this campaign.
She had a great staff, a great platform (which Obama has all but “Xeroxed”), and great supporters.
What she was NOT prepared for, was the MSM’s swooning, rock star adoration of Obama (which has led to the DNC’s fear of going against him in any way), and the rampant sexism that was demonstrated throughout the last six months.
She was PREPARED for a FAIR campaign. Not the one she ultimately received.

STAYING AT HOME OR VOTING A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA.
VOTE MCCAIN.
HE MAY NOT BE PERFECT BUT AS A MODERATE AND AN EXPERIENCED LEADER HE CAN BE TRUSTED.
HE HAS TREATED HILLARY WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT AND DIGNITY UNLIKE OBAMA AND HIS MEDIA EMPIRE.

Debra
said “people vote for who they like”
really?
so you wanted Hillary and say she was more electable…
she has the lowest likability numbers of almost ANY candidate that ran.
Whe this started half the country didn’t like her…now she has lost half of that base.

Jake, I don’t think young women understand that if not for the women who came before, they would not have the advantages they have now. As far as the abortion issues is concerned we will never go back, most republicans believe in choice. I wonder when the trashing of the elderly will start..

To-day I read an article that was quickly removed from realclear politics site. It’s by Sebastian Mallaby “The audacity of growth”. It’s all about the projection of a BO presidency in terms of economy.
We all know that BO doesn’t have a clue about economy. That article made me aware that the plans are already made and specialists are ready to do the job for BO, hoping and doing everything to make him the nominee and hoping to make Hillary supporters fall in line with the rest.
At every turn of a new era, like this one with global economy, we switch from industrial capitalism to financial capitalism. In that period of shifting Bill Clinton helped make the switch from production economy to service economy.
Now BO is propelled as a new brandt. He is the man of the so-called new era. But this so-called new era is another machine run by male financiers.
The deals made behind the public scene of this primary election to propel BO have corrupted the significance of democracy : Hillary campaign has been aborted by the dictatorial male power of finances which will run the politics.
The Roman Empire became decadent because of corruptions and political manipulations .
America deserves better with a more uplifting effort and consciousness to take the new turn of the century. There is space for creativity in this new era.
If they want to have their say, the feminists have to appeal to strong action, could be aborting the ugly manipulative plan of the so-called Democratic project.
This is my point of view.

HP Boston wrote
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… Obama is a bigger threat to Roe V Wade, he is not honest with …
McCain is really pro choice ..
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Nobody believes your propaganda and lie. Just look at voting history of Obama and McCain. Obama was and is pro-choice on 100%, while McCain was against ALWAYS.

Kate:
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WHATS A FEAR AD ABOUT STATING THE TRUTH!
MY BODY MY CHOICE !
WHEN YOU GROW A WOMB THEN YOU CAN HAVE A SAY !
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[that sounds so 1970s] At the risk of sounding indelicate, when a man’s penis or sperm moves in, we are involved usually legally (half of it belongs to somebody else).

famalevoter…Have no fear, no one will accuse you of being too smart or elite again if you vote for Obama. Anybody that votes for that criminal has to be ignorant!!! he is racist as well. Perhaps you haven’t read the articles necessary to make an informed decision. That’s ignorant or lazy.

If women support the democratic nominee (obama), they can count on the democrats continuing to treat them like sh!t for the next generation.
In other words:
want my support? you damn well better listen to me too

Rachel,
You, like Hillary Clinton, are in denial. The reason Hillary didn’t win is because of short-sidedness by her and her campaign. They thought this was all going to be over (for them) by Feb. 5. They didn’t prepare for the long haul like the Obama campaign did. That my female friend is arrogance!
Early on, the media practically gave her the nomination!!!!!! Remember all those months ago when she was the frontrunner and had all the name recognition and positive media coverage?
I do, because way back then I, too, was a Hillary supporter. Then South Carolina happened, and I had to take a long, hard look at the Clinton campaign.
These remarks by this woman (Horbal) that I have never heard of are terrible.
They make women look irrational.

It has nothing to do with bitter.
It has to do that Obama is everything this country is against.
After the Canadian incident. Obama should of never received another vote from any adult with their sanity.
It was like a 10 year old playing with trade pacts.
His closest personal friends in life, whom he choose to be friends with, knowing who they were, what they stood for and what they believed in consciously continued the close friends for over 20 years. All whom probably have their own case file in the FBI, CIA and every where else.
Terrorist, Criminals, Political fixers, Anti-American, Anti-Government, Muslim supporters.
Making Obama the biggest Security threat this country has known.
A man with no honor. He through his church under the bus. So he would not have to take a direct approach with something he says he beleives in, To tell them racism is not right, hateful racist attacks against US Senators is not right. Far easier to remove himself then address it.
But he did get Imus fired, he did chastised Ferreira publicly and emphatically addressing it when they were white people.
A man who said, “My religion is part of everything I do.”
Black liberation theology is the religion he has embraced and loved for over 20 years. Just because he left the church building does not mean, he lost the faith.
People want to put him in office, because he gives nice speeches.
He rattles off ideas, refuses to give details of them. refuses to talk in detail about them. He eludes, evades and changes the subject when asked.
Maybe it is time to avoid the mesmerizing, mind manipulative motivation speeches for a while. To clear you mind and get a sane perspective on things.
You owe it to yourself and your country.

Maybe we care more about our Country and don’t think Obama with his Anti American racist friends should be anywhere near the white house. Maybe the females that are supporting Obama who doesn’t seem to fight for anything I care about like REAL UNC should of thought about that. Maybe the Obama camp should of thought about this when they were painting the Clintons as racist and Donna B was telling people the new Dem party doesn’t need the White people and latinos. The President needs Congress to get SOTUS, so maybe the Dems will get some backbone and fight him if they don’t like McCain’s choice. But looking at Nancy impeachemnt is off the table and all the other slugs there, I doubt it. Oh Well not my concern. Maybe

Carolyn,
I might suggest that you don’t start flinging that word “criminal” around while referring to any presidential candidates until you review the Clinton’s track record of criminal investigations. Pot…meet kettle!

First, not every democrat is pro-choice. The blue dog democrats — the ones who won the two recent special elections — run on a pro-life, pro-gun forum. Second, even amongst democrats who are pro-choice many only support abortions when it for the health of the mother or because of a birth defect. Third, fewer democrats believe that abortions should be just another form of birth control — available for any and all reasons. Finally, most democrats do not agree with Obama’s position — that if a child survives a late term abortion it should be put in a box and let die because the living breathing infant is still a fetus and not a child. His opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act spells it out in detail.
As for the protests on abortion clinics, I agree they can be disgusting and inhumane. I have been twice — once with a battered woman whose husband was going to kill her and her other children if she didn’t have an abortion and once with a woman whose child was going to be born with severe birth defects. I count those days as two of the hardest days on my life.
I know that many women do not support abortion and will vote for McCain. I also know that McCain isn’t nearly as pro-life as he is acting for the general election. I think most of the women who think abortion should be available to protect the health of the mother will support him. He will only lose support on the abortion issue where people believe it is an acceptable birth control method or should be available without any limitations.

for those not-so-bright threatening a supreme court judge and the end of freedom of choice…
all the senate needs to do is vote no to confirmation
the dems are in the majority.

So, just as I thought, this election, at least from Hillary’s side, is all about sexism! Whatever happened to electing the best person for the job? Now it’s about electing anyone as long as it is a woman! Such shallow thinking!
This election is about who can best run the country from every aspect; not about whether they wear pants or a pants suit! Clinton brings on the sexism on herself because her entire campaign is based upon womans rights and is sexist to the very core! When it comes to the skills needed for reshaping our economy or the war in Iraq or gas prices or housing or abortion or whatever, it’s not the gender – it is the person! If you are willing to only draw from one gender pool, then the chances of fixing our Nations problems is reduced by 50%.

SAD, how these people are so willing to sale out their party and county. These are the kind of people who would be in danger of friendly fire if in combat. I would not depend on their help for anything. They wouldn’t be there when the going got tuff! Let them go off half cocked. We are better off without them.

If the Republicans were going to overturn Roe v. Wade, it would have already happened during Bush’s administration. Morover, it’s the Repubs most effective wedge issue. If they overturn Roe v. Wade, then where would they be? The Obamacrats are just using the issue to BAIT us into voting for Obama. That’s a Republican fear-mongering tactic and it will not work.
At this moment, feminist women in this country have a new opportunity to revitalize conversations about sexism, misogyny in our culture. And we are going to use our voting power to expose the CORRUPTION of the party that has claimed our support for decades. F*** the Democratic Party. The issue right now is whether we can save our democracy.

It’s hopeless to try to be logical with a person who is being completely emotional…

Still another reason I could not vote
for Obama:
“Finally, most democrats do not agree with Obama’s position — that if a child survives a late term abortion it should be put in a box and let die because the living breathing infant is still a fetus and not a child. ”
That is EVIL!
Country before party!

Jane
back deals for the financing of Obama’s campaign? Male corporate types is that what you are saying.
Obama got the most money out of any of them from small donors…
Hillary was backed by the big corporates more than Obama for years now leading up to this. Similar to GW Bush who got backed because of his last name.
and he was governor just like she is a senator but her backing came from big money corporate America more than obama’s…
this was not some secret male overthrow thing as your post refers.
that is just silly.

I could live with McCain/Clinton before Obama/Clinton

Vote country over spite.

It is really, really simple Jack: “No self respecting woman should work or wish for the success of a party that ignores her self.” Susan B. Anthony — 1874. It was true then and it is true now. I will proudly NOT vote for Obama. And using the USSC as a “threat” is patronizing, at best, so I suggest you drop it.

Carolyn, why don’t we try looking for a police blotter, or perhaps a court ruling, rather than some Drudge-esque blogger? Especially one who claims to have had sex with him.
Seriously, give me a break.
I could probably find five million of the same on Hillary, if I even bothered with that kind of crap.

This is the real anti women’s movement right here in black and white!
I will never vote for a man again, ever!
Women we are the majority, lets not vote for any man! The BS from them is disgusting as most men tend to be.
I think it is time to show our strength and the power being a majority grants us! Never work for a man’s campaign again either, do not volunteer or give them one red cent. CAN YOU HEAR US NOW!
WE WILL NOT VOTE OBAMA!

LOL! Listen to all the Obama supporters on here! NOW you’re whining because the women are leaving the party? I have NEVER witnessed such misogynistic behavior toward a woman in all of my 52 years. The sexism in this Primary from Tweety, Keith Olbermann, Mike Barnicle and their ILK was on the air day in and day out since this campaign started. NOW you want women to stay in the party? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Not ONE DC elitist came out in support of Hillary against those attacks. NOT ONE.
The blogs have been hateful, mean and vile toward Hillary and her supporters. Have you read Daily Kos lately? How about AmericaBlog? NOW you want us to stay in the party? WHY? Did you finally realize we are a HUGE voting block? Did you finally realize you cannot win with JUST the AA and so-called creative class voters?
Well guess what? TOO FREAKIN’ BAD! You reap what you sow and you, MY FRIENDS, have sowed some mighty deep hatred toward YOU and your Messiah. You cut off your nose to spite your face and you deserve to lose the female vote and WILL/HAVE which means your MESSIAH is toast in November. Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
And NO, I do NOT care about Roe v. Wade or the SCOTUS. YOU deal with it. You wanted to win at all costs. Well, the cost is HUGE, MY FRIENDS.
LIVE WITH IT! YOU own it!

Y’all shoulda thought about that before slandering and demonizing Hillary. When I was young, I stuck together with my fellow sisters. Today’s young women are spoiled and don’t know how much we older ones fought just so they could be free. As far as I’m concerned, the young women who support Obama should go to Canada for their abortions.

I am a democrat but I am one of those people you will see voting McCain and not Obama. It is not that I am an angry Hillary supporter but Obama is too liberal and I am afraid of what will happen to my safety as an American should he be elected. I don’t want marijuana legalized and the like. Hillary is appealing to me for those reasons.

I do not trust Obama. He is duplicitous and would be dangerous as president. This supersedes other issues such as Roe v. Wade.

People generally labor under the false impression that overturning Roe v. Wade would suddenly make abortion illegal. Not so. It would simply put it back to each state to decide.

IT IS NOT ABOUT A FEMINIST MOVEMENT IT IS ABOUT ELECTING THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. WHAT A IGNORANT THING TO SAY. THIS GOES TO SHOW THAT BARACK OBAMA’S HAS NOT SLANDERED HILLARY CLINTON AND DEMONIZED HER BUT HILLARY CLINTON HAS TRIED TO MAKE IT SO HER SUPPORTERS WILL NOT SUPPORT OBAMA. WHAT A SHAME. IT WAS A FAIR CONTEST AND THE CLINTON’S LOST. DON’T BE A POOR SPORT.

HILLARY 2012!!!
VOTE McCain!

by: Nicole | Jun 2, 2008 2:29:27 PM
—————————–Thank you! Nicole your post was well stated. Please bring your intelligence and youth back to the beleaguered Hillary supporters as often as possible.

So it is okay for the troops to stay in Iraq because your candidate lost?
Whatever.

Bwaaaaaah! I’m going to take my ball
and go home…….

Marie,
You do not speak for me. I am a woman who supported Hillary until South Carolina.
But, unlike you, I would support whoever the Democratic nominee is because I know how important this election is.

I just love how people criticize Obama as “smug,” “arrogant,” blah blah… Have they forgotten Bill Clinton’s swagger? Or Hillary’s slam on every stay-at-home-mom?
Call Obama “inexperienced,” fine. “Empty suit,” whatev. But look closely and he carries the same swagger as Bill Clinton did back in the day. They’re smart, they’re gifted oraters, and they know it. Big deal, it’s what I admired about Clinton back in the day. And spare me the “But Bill was a gov.” Sorry, Bill was getting his D*** sucked by a 20 year-old, but according to feminists, that was okay. It was her fault.
But when you spew the venom to say Obama’s arrogant, and b/c of it he won’t get your vote, well, I think the real word you’re grasping for (and maybe you don’t know it) is “uppity.”

Vickie | Jun 2, 2008 2:26:34 PM
WOW I think I love you!
Great post and well said. Let them eat CROW!

And another thing – I’m a little tired of the talk about Obama “winning over” this and that group.
Senator Obama has been the exact same candidate from “day one”. So you either like his message or you don’t. What exactly is he supposed to do to woo each group?
Look and the issues and vote – just like we all do each and every election. Senator Obama is not gonna morph into a woman or a hard working white American – so deal with what is real please. He is a candidiate for ALL Americans against Washington games and corruption.
The slicing and dicing of the electorate only serves to keep us distracted from the big issues we all have in common. Enough fear based politics – it is NOT productive.

Obama’s smugness and arrogance are not the issues . . his sheer and obvious imcompetence and poor judgmebt most certainly are. America’s plight and challenges are much too important to put Obama in charge; he would (poosiibly) be a good choice for the U.S. Civil Right Commission; But NEVER POTUS.

I will go with McCain at the risk of having abortion rights curtailed (I don’t think it will be). Obama could turn out to be so left wing or affirmative action driven that we will have a whole slew of other socioeconomic worries to wring our hands with.

This is Obama on Hillary Clinton:
“She is tireless. She is smart. She is capable. And so obviously she’d be on anybody’s shortlist to be a potential vice-presidential candidate.”
If some of these “pro-Hillary” people hate the man who has praised her, time after time, perhaps the reason is that they actually are anti-women.

The Democratic party is obviously hell-bent on ‘going off a cliff’ to ensure that Obama is the nominee; well, the DNC and the party faithful who remain will have no one but themselves to blame after the debacle on Saturday (i.e., the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michgan votes). How DARE they give UNCOMMITTED votes to Obama? How DARE they steal four of Hillary’s earned delegates? How dare they?

BOzo is more “Bush” than McCain is!
If you want someone different, vote for HIllary!
but:
Country before party!

Hey “Ardent:”
These are also some choice words Mr. Obama has had for Hillary:
“You’re likeable enough, Hillary;”
“She has her claws out today….”
“Annie Oakley”
To say nothing of the choice words his good buddy, Father Pfleger, had to say about her.

trettine hits on a great point which can’t be said often enough. A victory for Obama in November clinches the rise of the far-left wing of the party – and the demise of the traditional centrist democrats. This is a battle for the soul of the democratic party. If you think it doesn’t matter, look how the far-right has had a stranglehold on republican policies since the 80s. Centrist dems must make their voices heard now – or sit on the sidelines without a voice for the foreseeable future.

JP- It may just be a contest to you but to me it is the future of our country and extremely important. I am in my early 30′s- I have not been “wooed” by the Obama bandwagon but rather terrified by it. He is not a trustworthy candidate and I feel as if he is nothing more than a puppet for democrats who have made secret deals to get what they want behind closed doors. You act like he is this great savior- please. I think you need to go sit through a church service sometime. He’s the closest thing to the Antichrist we have ever known and although I am a Christian, I don’t go to church often but even I can see this. I will vote with my conscience and know that I have done all I can do to have my voice heard. I have no doubt my fellow dem’s that are supporters not just of Hillary but of America will follow suit and vote McCain. It will be the Obama supporters that thank us when you realize he is not who you think he is.

I have no intention of writing in Clinton’s name, That would only give a greater chance for Obama to win should he be the nominee. I’m voting for the other principled, experienced candidate – John McCain.
Please Obama supporters, save me all your drivel about the Supreme Court and Iraq. Abortion is the 3rd rail of American politics – no one will touch it. Iraq? It’s one thing to say you’re for immediate withdrawal, I don’t believe we’ll leave immediately no matter who gets elected.
If not Clinton, Vote McCain!!!!

biggun
secret deals? behind closed doors
what?

Myshiba,
I am not blind to Obama’s shortcomings. I feel the positives outweigh the negatives, and I feel that he has one the nomination by winning more delegates. Now your term – do you really agree with everything Hillary Clinton had done and said in this campaign?

Mary, MI
Obama is bad for America and Americans. Please do your homework (it shouldn’t take you very long because it is so clearly obvious). Hillary or McCain for American and Americans. No other choice will do.

Lot’s of vitriol and scant response to your question.
A very vocal and small minority angrily parroting the same talking points over and overas they do at the pro-Hillary site
The 100,000 posts were written by 310 users. That is NOT a typo. Three hundred and ten users wrote all 100,000 posts. The most prolific user posted 7170 times. The top 20 users have posted 45% off all posts and 24 users have posted half of all posts. 171 users are “regulars”, where regulars are defined as having posted 20+ times, the regulars have posted more than 99% of all posts.
The top poster on dailykos with 813 posts would be no higher than 63rd on the list at hillaryis44.
We shouldn’t try to read too much into these numbers but we cannot ignore the fact that the discussion on hillaryis44 is dominated by a very small number of users. If the views discussed on hillaryis44 were widespread then I would expect that the discussion would not be dominated by such a small group of users.

Please explain how soon Obama will pull out the troops, since his foreign policy advisor contradicted his timetable? He’s not going to pull out the troops. He’ll keep them there while blaming Bush for 4 years. He fed you a line of baloney and you ate it.

Myshiba,
I am not blind to Obama’s shortcomings. I feel the positives outweigh the negatives, and I feel that he has one the nomination by winning more delegates. Now your term – do you really agree with everything Hillary Clinton had done and said in this campaign?
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Jun 2, 2008 2:53:14 PM
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Hillary is not perfect but she is the most qualified for the job; competence is an important factor to me and Obama has not shown me one reason I should vote for him; what has he accomplished? He hasn’t even been able to show that he can unify people. Most importnatly he is obviously very naive and has very poor judgment. He doesn’t appear to have any principles or a moral compass (why did he associate himself with people with such questionable morals and judgment for so many years). He is truly a very frightening person. His actions and decisions do not bode well for America’s future.

Myshiba. race has everything to do with it, your emotions won’t allow you to understand, Obama and Hillary are almost exact on issues, with the exception of universal healthcare. You Hillary followers are allowing your emotions to over-rule your logic, deep seeded fear is overtaking your ability to rationalize the results of your actions.
you would prefer to have the right wing republican instead of the democrat who won the primary and is more closely aligned with the candidate you supported.

Mack,
You’re kidding right? Is that how you are gonna sleep at night during McCain’s first term – telling yourself that Obama wouldn’t have pulled out the troops? Are you that used to politicians lying to you?

We’re just NOT buying into the Democratic Party’s “Obama or Nobody” campaign.
Posted by: SandyB | Jun 2, 2008 2:57:33 PM
________________________________________Well buy this
ANYONE BUT OBAMA! ANYONE!!____

Ok ladies,
Can I say enough already !?!
There is NOTHING greater than ensuring that Roe vs Wade is NOT overturned!
I don’t care about Obama nor Clinton nor McCain, for what it is worth. But I do care that if a woman is gang-raped (knock on wood) there shouldn’t be any barrier, and I mean ABSOLUTELY NO legal question whatsoever if she does not want to keep the child, none from the State none the Federal government.
If you argue that you do not care, I say please preach by example! Show us that you do mind being raped and forced to keep the child. Or why not let your daughter volunteer? Incest is part of the deal too. So options for showing your dedication do abound.
And unless you can walk the talk, please do not bring upon us a suffering no woman wants to live. I do not know what it was like in the days before Roe vs Wade, but I figure I can have a pretty good idea by looking at countries where women rights are marginalized. If that is what you want to live, you could travel there, you know? You do not need to bring it upon us.
Thank you and May God Bless you!

Look at me; I may be noseless, but I won’t vote for Obama either. It has nothing to do with bitterness, racism, or drinking the Kool-Aid. I have voted for a democrat for the last 25 years, but will stay home this November.

While Roe v. Wade is important, let’s not forget that a McCain presidency would put a firm 6-3 conservative majority on the Supreme Court, impacting an array of issues.
This isn’t cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I didn’t say it, his foreign policy advisor said it. 4 years of McCain does not equal 100 years in Iraq.

I forgot to add this little quote from Chuck Todd, MSNBO network…
He was asked what the Obama people were going to do about the women leaving the party and refusing to vote for the Messiah and Chuck Todd said, “They say it will all be OK because they PLAN TO PLAY THE ROE V. WADE CARD.”
HIS words, not mine. Heads up women. They needed to get rid of Hillary any way they could and they would worry about the repercussions later.
BIG MISTAKE! HUGE MISTAKE! Obviously, they don’t know women very well.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Vickie,
Chuck Todd is speaking for himself, not the Obama campaign. Why is Obama responsible for everything that is said by everybody on earth, but Hillary Clinton is not evern responsible for the things that come out of her own mouth?

People keep talking about keeping McCain out of the WH, in order to prevent him from appointing conservative judges. The Congress will be Democratic. There is no way McCain will be able to appoint conservative judges.
What is more imporant is to prevent the White House, Congress, and the judiciary from being taken over by the radical left wing of the Democratic party. We do not need the likes of Wright, Farrakhan, Pfleger, or Michelle Obama in the White House. An extreme left wing agenda will be just as damaging to this country as Bush’s extreme right wing agenda.
The best solution is a McCain-Clinton ticket. The next best is a divided government, with a Democratic Congress keeping McCain in check.

Posted by: J P | Jun 2, 2008 2:41:58 PM wrote,
“OBAMA HAS CORRUPT FRIENDS. WOW LOOK UP THE
HISTORY OF THE CLINTONS AND MCCAIN”
YEAH, RIGHT … THOSE TRAITOR CORRUPT FRIENDS OF THE CLINTONS ARE ALREADY FLOCKING OBAMA’S SIDE BECAUSE OBAMA IS CORRUPT HIMSELF…. SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!

Mary, Hillary is tough and she could take it, I am tough and I can take it, but I don’t want my daughter to have to be tough and take it!

LA in Indiana writes:
“Senator Obama would not be ahead in the delegate count were it not for the millions that voted for him.”
And they WOULDN’T have voted for him if either Obama OR his shills in the media had told anything like the truth about the candidates.

I’ve never understood the intense feelings of loyalty and hatred that the Clintons inspired — until this year. I thought that I was one of the few people who was somewhat indifferent to them, but Hillary’s campaign has illuminated for me why they’re so intensely disliked and must never return to the White House. Fanatics like Horbal are best kept away from the controls of government. Let sanity reign…

Obama didn’t win via corruption…he won by looking at all the states not just the big ones. His staff had people on the ground in all those states, granted the Obama campaign has not pushed as hard lately because he has the nomination wrapped up, but they played a full game and not just from halftime on. He has won via the only metric that gets the nomination….delegates. Unless the Superdelegates change their mind Obama will be the nominee fair and square by the rules agreed to by the DNC and all running.

if it was the other way around, i bet you that many hardcore obama supporters wont vote for hillary.

NJ woman.
I’m so glad I have a son. I don’t have to worry about a daughter being raped and carrying an unplanned pregnancy, but 20-something Obama supporters DO have to worry about it. They have brought this on themselves. I do not care what happens to them. I use to care, but they have proven to me that they do not appreciate anything the woman’s movement GAVE THEM. It’s all taken for granted. I’ve spent the last 35 years fighting for Roe v. Wade. I’m am so over fighting for it. It means NOTHING to me now. If THEY don’t care about our battles, why should I?
They will just have to learn the hard way like we older women had to learn. Perhaps then they will see the importance of supporting a woman who has spent her entire life fighting for women’s issues. They made their choice in supporting BO. Now they can live with President McCain because BO cannot win without women.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE WOMEN FOR HILLARY. THEY CAN SEE, AS I CAN SEE, THAT OBAMA IS TOO INEXPERIENCED TO BECOME THE PRESIDENT. MORESO, HIS CHARACTER BACKGROUND AND ASSOCIATIONS ARE DUBIOUS AND DANGEROUS.

I am a female Clinton supporter. I believe issues around sexism and racism have been evident in this race coming from the media (in particular the sexism in this case), both campaigns and the supporters of both camps. I clearly am disappointed Clinton will not be our nominee but I believe her loss has little to do with sexism but rather a poorly ran campaign that did not find it’s stride until it was already too late. I am not one of those angry, middle-aged women who are protesting that her loss was due to sexism. I looked closely at both Obama and Clinton before I jumped into her camp. My concerns about Obama had to do with lack of experience, lack of clarity about what his vision is or who he even is, a non-impressive record that
does not give me anything to hang my hat onto in regards to his ability to make all these changes he promises and specific issues such as his not showing up to vote for Kyle-Lieberman, his “present” votes, the rewrite of a bill favoring Exelon and I could go on and on. His message of his representing a “new politics” and his not being a candidate beholden to special interests is dependent upon the voters not doing their homework and as such I find it to be insulting of the intelligence of the voters (even though it has clearly worked for him). His message of “new politics” in my mind is one big fraud. He’s a rank and file Democrat who is old politics and has been engaging in old politics in this race, the only difference is his camp did a better job then the Clinton campaign. The Wright issue was not the issue for me that it has been for some but it just reinforced concerns I had about his Obama’s) character ,not in regards to what Wright said, but rather how Obama has handled the Wright and Pfleger issues. His handling of the Pfleger issue in comparison to McCain’s response about Pfleger’s attacks on Clinton and the “old politics” the Obama camp engaged in around the RFK statement solidified my decision about whom to vote for this Fall but it was not the primary reasons. I am not voting on the basis of gender or race. Given the state of foreign affairs and the economy I will not vote on the basis of symbolism nor redemption. My choice to go with Clinton was well-thought out, I did my homework on both candidates, I believe they both are corporate candidates who represent and engage in old politics and while one is not an apologist for such the other is misleading people into thinking he is something different . Clearly the Democrats are more representative of my views and Bush Jr will not be leaving the White House soon enough in my book. Having said that I have still opted to cast my vote for McCain this Fall.

I must confess that I am a registered Independent but have voted virtually 100% Democratic up until this year; this year I will probably vote McCain (if Hillary is not the nominee) and for all down-ticket Democrats (UNLESS they are Obama supporters . . . if they are, they will NOT get my vote). Can I state things any more clearly than that?

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE WOMEN FOR HILLARY. THEY CAN SEE, AS I CAN SEE, THAT OBAMA IS TOO INEXPERIENCED TO BECOME THE PRESIDENT. MORESO, HIS CHARACTER BACKGROUND AND ASSOCIATIONS ARE DUBIOUS AND DANGEROUS.
Posted by: neil1785 | Jun 2, 2008 3:23:02 PM
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neill785: You are a truth-teller!

It’s a tough situation for all Clinton supporters but I for one will not be blackmailed by the judges issue.
I’ve decided that I value my country over a woman’s right to choose, and since I think Obama will be bad for this country I will not vote for him.
Clinton is the strongest candidate on this issue and since most of the 21-year-olds in this country are foolish enough to be voting Obama, they’ll have to figure out for themselves what to do if and when their rights get taken away.
Posted by: Vnd | Jun 2, 2008 3:25:17 PM
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I disagree . . .it is not a tough decision at all. Obama will NEVER but EVER get my vote (that will be VERY EASY)!!

To those of you who say there is no difference in Hillary and Obama- absolutely there is. Obama does not fit the Democrat mold to me but rather that of a Socialist. People want to talk about Bill Clinton- go ahead- talk- but at least 80% of you were better off financially during his presidency than you have probably ever been. The college kids like him because he wants to legalize marijuana- I think he smoked too much of it in his younger years and it killed some brain cells. His wife is the most bitter person I have heard speak and she has her own issues that will plauge his campaign. There is a law suit against him right now for having some sort of campaign goon threaten a man he has had previous sexual encounters with to keep his mouth shut. This is just too much- add everything together and it all makes sense. He is not fit for the presidency.

need to focus on Bill Clinton, Hillary’s major gender problem
Posted by: janet | Jun 2, 2008 3:31:24 PM
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A thousand “Vanity Fair” aricles will not make Obama competent or qualified to be President; also, Bill Clinton is NOT running for office . . . .Hillary is? I hope you are not still living in the dark ages thinking that women can’t think for themselves and are OWNED by the their husbanda. Hillary or McCain, America can’t afford to choosee anyone else.

Country before party! Americans Unite!

Feminists – some feminists – have turned this campaign into a referendum about their candidate. In other words, it’s not about the election of a president but about electing a woman! To Obama’s credit his campaign has never been about “it’s time to elect a black man.” Could you imagine what the word would have been if his campaign had sanctioned something like “Our time now!”
They also say that Hillary is the candidate with experience. Obama has none. What experience did President Kennedy have? Not much. Just as slender a Senate record as Obama, but a father who had tons of money. The Bush administration had tons of experience, the Cheyneys and the Rumsfelds and all their neocon colleagues. You could’nt ask for fuller and lengthier resumes, all loaded with experience. And where have they left us? Experience alone is not enough. We need judgement, a willingness to tell the truth – indeed an ability to recognize the truth before you tell it, and the record of the highly experienced Bush administration in this regard is thoroughly and commpletely abysmal! Don’t talk to be about experience please.

Nobodys fool:
NO he was NOT speaking for himself. He was telling the panel what the Obama campaign told him, which was:
The women will come back to the party because they “PLAN TO PLAY THE ROE V. WADE CARD.”
THAT came directly from Obamarhoid’s campaign. STOP LYING AND TWISTING FACTS LIKE OBAMA SUPPORTERS ALWAYS DO. I know it’s a rotten thing to say and do, but it’s nothing new for obama.

Vickie,
You’re kidding me, right? I really do feel the Clintons have the market on lies pretty much cornered, don’t you? Chuck Todd’s interpretation of what he claims someone in the Obama campaign told him is not the same thing as “the truth”.
And for the record, I really and truly don’t care who you vote for or why. . . my concious will be clear – I’ll leave you with yours.
I’m not nearly as invested in my candidate as you have apparently become in yours.

Janet wrote:
Per Vavity Fair article, Me thinks all of our do or die Feminist need to focus on Bill Clinton, Hillary’s major gender problem
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Feminists focus on Bill Clinton? Ha! Never! They’ve always looked the other way, especially when it came to his abuse of power over women.

Obama is not REALLY planning to bring the troops home.
This is another one of Obama’s POLITICAL PLOY to convince the general public to get their votes.
Obama has not problem lying.
His whole life is one lie after another.
All you have to do is read his book.
One CONTRADICTION after another— just like his campaign.
He will be redirecting them to Afganistan…..and back to Iraq…..
Why can’t you all see this?

@Vickie | Jun 2, 2008 3:21:30 PM
I am sorry that you feel that way. I am 20something and I guess, that is why this issue is particularly sensible to me. From your answer, I can feel your resolve and I do not think there is anything I can say that will change how you feel. I do not have that power. God does.
You did mention that you have a son. Does he have a daughter? She would be your grand-daughter, right? I am sure you’d love her and you’d care for her, you’d want what is best for her, just like any grand-parent in the world.
Also you mentioned the supporters of senator Obama who are in their 20s; what about the supporters of Senator Clinton who are in their 20s? Overturning Roe vs Wade would affect them as well.
In any case, I wish the best for you and again I am sorry you feel young people have not been grateful to you. Many a times, we are not indeed. Have a blessed day!

All McCain has to say is “I will not change Roe Vs Wade” and you will see millions of women go to McCain, making him president.
I promise you that can happen.

Here’s a cold hard reality for Hillary ‘supporters’ like Koryne Horbal:
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Any chance Hillary Clinton has to EVER become president goes down the tubes if Barack Obama loses in November.
If Obama loses, Hillary will get the blame and any future presidential aspirations will be gone. You’ll definitely see Hillary campaigning hard for Obama when the time comes.

Nichole:
You have no clue what you’re talking about (Obviously, you’re an Obama supporter, right?) and you REALLY, REALLY need to look into anger management courses.
Too bad your Messiah is going to lose in November and lose BIG. Be sure to sign up for that anger management course BEFORE November because you’re going to need it. I promise.

I can support McCain because he has the actual record of working bipartisan,
of standing up to special interests and to standing up to his own party. Obama has nothing in his record to tell me he’s the real deal. People keep saying McCain has changed since 2000-2001. He sold out for his own political aspirations to the GOP and in particular the far right. I agree he sold out. Do I think the real McCain is the one attempting to appeal to the far right or the McCain of 2001? I think McCain is still the McCain of 2001. I believe he is a moderate and he is independent. I’m sure some of the far left supporters of Obama aren’t too happy with Obama quitting his church and see that for what it is, selling out for his own political aspirations.
As far as Roe vs. Wade, for any woman concerned about that, a reminder that any Supreme Court nominee needs the approval of the majority of the Senate.
I feel pretty comfortable that the DFL will do well this election overall and the make-up of the Senate is as important as who is President when it comes to Supreme Court nominees. I would also point out that the Judge who wrote the majority opinion of Roe vs. Wade was Harry Blackmun, a Republican Judge from my home state of MN who was appointed by Richard Nixon. The far right is just as concerned (if not more so) about the choices McCain would make in regards to the Supreme Court as the Dems are. Which to me is a good sign.
The far right of the GOP does not like McCain because he is too moderate so I would be surprised at his selection of an ultra-conservative Judge. McCain doesn’t run on social issues, he’s a foreign policy candidate. Social issues are not his primary passion or concern.
I also feel comfortable with the possiblity that McCain will be a one term President due to age. I don’t have an issue with his age at present but is he really going to want to campaign again as he’s nearing 80. If he isn’t looking at potentially running again then there is no need to pander to the degree that either Obama or Clinton would need to.

Nobodys fool
Reconciliation – NEVER! Obama and his supporters are so divisive, I will never vote for the little Pelosi puppet!

Here is a tip to all the HRC supporters who think they have been dissed in the blogosphere by Obama supporters….
THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE!!!
Just because someone says they are one thing, does not mean they are. Don’t you all watch Dateline?? LOL!
IF someone in real life was rude to you because you are a HRC supporter, then you have a point. Take it up with THAT person.
But don’t take it out on Obama.
Not one Obama supporter I know has anything bad to say about Clintons supporters.
We are two sides of the same coin.

@lois lane | Jun 2, 2008 3:55:27 PM
Actually, in 2000 Senator McCain supported exceptions to the GOP’s platform on abortion for cases of rape, incest or when the life of the mother is at risk.
Now, it seems, he supports no more exceptions. So even those extreme cases would be considered as illegal.
Life is precious and I am not saying that there should be drive-thru clinics (cynical). But “do not do unto others what you would not want be done to you” remains the golden rule.

Nobody’s Fool If you reread my blog you’ll see I made reference to both campaigns playing on the issue of gender and race. I am offended by both.
I have in blogs defended Obama, in particular around the Wright issue, when appropriate and I have indicated disappointment in the Clinton campaign when appropriate. The bottom line though when it comes right down to it is that there is nothing in Obama’s record and experience that leads me to believe he is the best candidate right now. Because issues such as Wright and Ayers are not the primary ones for me if Obama were to lose and go back to Senate and use his Senate experience to acquire the knowledge,perspective and expertise on issues such as foreign policy- rather then just using his first term in the Senate to spend the first couple years exploring a Presidential bid and the last years to actually run for President- then I could see myself supporting him whole heartedly. I don’t see the Obama camp is being the sleaziest operation in town, rather they are just one more sleazy operation which includes Clinton and McCain.

You’ve got to be a damn fool to vote for McCain if you’re a Democrat. That’s the most childish thing I’ve ever heard. Are your bitter revenge and the delight of running around saying “I told you so” like a spoiled brat worth war with Iran? $10/gallon gas? The end of Roe V. Wade? Privatization of Social Security? No health care reform? Budget deficits for the next 100 years?
I mean, seriously, people. You need to grow up. This election actually means something to some people besides the popularity contest you seem to believe it is. I’d happily have supported Hillary had she been able to pull it off. But she didn’t, so now I’m going to support the Democrat. There is too much at stake for childish partisanship. I can’t believe people old enough to vote would do something so mindlessly stupid so blatantly against their own self interests just for spite. Shame on the whole lot of you.

Vickie,
I would list Senator Obama’s accomplishments, but I get the impression that you are already familiar with them.
How is getting the most votes and delegates in free and fair caucuses and primaries “stealing” an election?
Senator Obama has not painted the Clintons as racists – their own obsession with segregating voters into race and class groups has led the media to question their motives.
Senator Obama has been very upfront about all of his associations, and done extensive interviews about them, has returned questionable campaign funs, has rejected and denounced. What more can he do?
Senator Obama’s grandmother has not been thrown under a bus, and is in fact alive and well and very pround of her grandson.
President Obama will be working for and with ALL Americans as President of the United States. Hopefully his first term accomplishments will go along way towards calming your fears and restoring your confidence in democracy.
Obama ’08/’12
(I must sign off now, a pleasure chatting with you all today!)

I live in an over 50 community in Florida and most people are not happy with the choice of Mccain and Obama. Mccain not conservative enough vs. Obama has to many radical people around him. I have to think Mccain will win Fl. big time.

It’s not just women jumping ship to the GOP, it’s also blue collar voters. So I think the Dems would be really remiss to just focus and assume that keeping women voters on board is the only issue.
Rather they are just the most vocal. Those blue collar voters will just go quietly and cast their votes for McCain.

dl
When the press examines the lists of donors of BO campaign we can talk about this.
I have waited months to put up the puzzle pieces together , by reading articles, and observing what has been going on.
I know for sure that financiers bet on a BO presidency.
This campaign shows that the DNC and the anti-Clinton militants with the help of the media work together to push Hillary out.And not least using the republican anti-Clinton machine.
Everyone has own part of the cake, as supposed to be when a connection is formed.
But they use the most despicable way to do it : the bloggers, BO supporters with their automatic language of hate and accusation. That helps to prevent to get to the real issue, since people are busy pondering about whether to believe them or not.
In the meantime BO was never examined for his real character, what he stands for, as is usually done to a candidate for a presidential job.
The media largely contributed to the whole thing.
The DNC kept pressing Hillary, week in week out, to step out, by announcing even more delegates and endorsements for BO everytime Hillary wins.
But not everyone bought into this plan.
So BO is supported by a big machine that wants to crush Hillary.
After some time people start to see through. This is what the DNC and the BO campaign want to avoid.
And sure enough people react.
And if people support Hillary it’s because they can identify more with her courage, her tenacity, her determination. She is human and she looks real.
Women don’t support her just because she is a woman, but because she stands for what women experience in their lives, double standards, unfairness, but in this era, certain things have to come out of the closet and have to change.
Don’t expect anything different, with the way the Party has manipulated the process and with its ugliness, the response can only be alienating from alienated voters.
The enemy of your enemy is less than your enemy. Is it the way it works?

bonnie,
I think the women’s vote outweighs the AA vote. Add to that the white working class voter. Obama doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning.

As a young feminist, I think the very idea that you would vote for McCain because Hillary didn’t make it is decidedly anti-feminist. Not only does he pose a direct threat to Roe (and comprehensive reproductive healthcare in general, including contraceptives), but he has also opposed fair pay.
Women fought for the right to vote, we continue to fight for respect. Voting for McCain, who I assume most Democratic feminist disagree with on the issues, is counterproductive, immature, and lacks all serious consideration for progressive legislative priorities to advance ‘womens’ issues. And frankly, it’s a ridiculous way to use your vote and it offends me. And then to hear so-called feminist leaders encourage women to behave this way, against their own interests, makes me question their seriousness about the advancement of women’s equality. Feminism is about the larger picture, the issues that advance our interests, not just about a single person. Look at the bigger picture here! We should be using our vote to make progressive women’s issues a priority, not to be petty because our candidate didn’t win. To hear women threatening to campaign against Obama, or vote for McCain, is incredibly disheartening. McCain could set progressive women’s causes back 50 years or more.
Let’s celebrate what Hillary did for women in politics, and let’s honor her by voting for the candidate that stands closest to her progressive views. That candidate is Obama, not McCain.

“If anyone listened to 60-minutes interview of Justice Scalia last month, you would realize that overturning Roe does not mena that abortion is prohibited by federal law or the federal constitution. It would simply mena that the federal constitution does not speak to the issue at all. Instead, the choice would be limited or regulated or absolutely unencumbered by the state.”
So now Hillary supporters have become so contorted that they’re now arguing that overturning Roe v. Wade is NOT THAT BIG A DEAL?!?! Are you kidding me?
Grow up! You sound like a bunch of rotten kids, but then again, maybe not. I don’t think children would do anything so foolish as to vote against their own interests just for spite! You guys are in a category all your own. Unbelievable.
And if you think getting McCain elected in November is going to pave the way for Hillary win the nomination in 2012, think again. She – and you – will be blamed for another 4 years of war, another 4 years of deficits, no comprehensive health care, tax cuts for big business, $5/gallon gas…you name it. It’ll be on your heads. Now won’t you be proud of yourselves for selling out everything you (supposedly) believe in just for spite?

They just said she does not agree with the count.and will not get out tomorrow night

Looking at Obama supporters, I think it’s safe to say most don’t like women meddling around in politics. They’d rather have an amateur who shouts hope but forgets to put meat in the bun. As for the women supporters of Obama — well, we can only guess.

@countallthevotes | Jun 2, 2008 5:18:50 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong, your argument is that “given” the possibility of the senate being controlled by democrats, we should not fear about Roe vs Wade being overturned because the senate, supposedly, will block pro-life appointees.
What I don’t understand about that scenario is this: how do you know that Roe vs Wade will not be overtuned while the back-and-forth takes place between the “then-President” and the Democrat-controlled senate?
Keep in mind that the most senior justice on the Court is currently Justice John Paul Stevens who is considered to be on the liberal side.
Also you say:
“5) Who thinks that any state could actually outlaw a woman’s right to choose??”
If you can’t think of any state outlawing women rights, how are you able to think, let alone facilitate, the Supreme Court doing just the same?

NJ Woman,
Roe has been around a long time. It has not been overturned. There have been many opportunites. I honestly don’t see it happening. There are far too many checks and balances in our tri-partite form of government.
I only mention the states since some are hell bent on concluding that McCain can unilaterally appoint the next SC justice.
Are you folks so young that you do not recall the lengthy Bork Hearings in 1987?? Bork was a highly regarded legal scholar with impeccable credentials and he got trounced. This is 2008!!!

JSF posted:
“I’ve had enough with their disrespect, lack of understanding of herstory, and ageist, sexist screaming.”
I am so with you on this!!!

Just Curious said,
Feminist NY Voter
McCain is the better democrat. Obama is an empty suit.
McCain is a Republican not a Democrat. Your knowledge of politics is crap. Now who’s the empty suit?

@countallthevotes | Jun 2, 2008 6:04:13 PM
Yes, Roe has been around for some time and we do want it to be around for some more. But let’s not kid ourselves, because Roe could definitely be gone one day, if we so decide, of course.
Justice Sandra O’Connor was a swing vote on the Court and she was replaced by a right-leaning justice, Samuel Alito, in 2006. Any additional swing or left-leaning justice who leaves the court endangers Roe vs Wade.
Given that the most senior justice has a left-leaning vote (he is the one most likely to leave the Court), I don’t know if it would really matter whether he is replaced or not. His mere absence will already dangerously tilt the Supreme Court against Roe vs Wade.

This site is also organizing to take down obama. Women and men are mad as —- and are NOT going to take it anymore!
Sign the petition to tell Hillary to take it to the floor of the DNC Convention where she CAN prevail!
We simply cannot allow the Democratic party to stand for sexism, racism, classism and voter disenfranchisement in 2008.
The DNC “Rules” Committee actions were outrageous and unacceptable last Sat. A 1/2 vote? A 1/2 person? Calls to mind the ole Jim Crow laws where blacks were considered 3/4 a person. THIS IS WORSE. The Dem party should be ashamed and MUST be taught a lesson.
It’s Hillary or McCain. Country first, party second. The Dems would be foolish to nominate an unqualified, unacceptable, unelectable candidate in Obama. He’s not been fully vetted yet and is too risky for the Dems to nominate.
The delegates can vote for whomever they wish at the DNC convention in August. They are not really “pledged”. Their job is to elect the most electable candidate for the general election in November. That candidate is and shall remain Hillary Rodham Clinton.

This is good news a little too soon. Obama will be the weaker candidate, but I would have liked to see a floor-fight in CO in August. Oh well. All’s well that ends well. The Dems were kind enough to nominate their weakest candidate (Gravel and Kucinich excluded).

jgaw said,
you are right mccain, is a better dem
than obama-because we really don’t know what kind of american obama is.
his political record is so short.
all we really have to judge him on are is the church he went to. and there is nothing pro america about that place.
Oh Lord, how many times should I say this to you guys? McCain is a Republican not a Dem, OK?

whatever bill clinton was doing with his personal life, OUR economy was better off when a clinton was in office.
and it would have been good again with sen. clinton.
what obama and his team have successfully done is got people,especially black people to NOT pay attention and vote THEIR interest and got them to vote for OBAMA and HIS interest.
the clinton’ have a good solid civil rights record. obama does not.
who was there with tom joyner when there was money needed for the HBCU?
a clinton
who was there with tom joyner and bill gates when money was needed to make aids meds for affordable for poor blacks
a clinton.
who finally gave the highest medal of horor for a black soldier in ww2, after every other president has passed him over- a clinton.
and where has obama been for the black community?

we guys,
know what kind of rep. mccain is,
the real question now is the same question we all had in the beginning.
Who is Barack obama? and what kind of
Hope and Change will he bring?
obama will not win.
the far-right wing are mad at mccain
they will not vote for mccain-probally stay at home.
the pushed out of the dem party sen. clinton supporters will merge with the mod wing of the rep party.
and beat obama and his far left dems.
this country is a moderate country, and we always suffer when the to extremes of either party wins.
mccain winning by a_______landslide!

The Democratic party is mistaken if they think the old, tired lure of Roe v Wade and U.S. Supreme Court will “bring women back into the fold”. It will not work this year, not this time.
The Democratic party has failed women in 2008. Women for decades have been the majority voting block of the party, the life of the party, and women overwhelmingly want Hillary. The Democratic party has remained silent while for a year and half Hillary has been villified relentlessly in all media and by Obama, his campaign and his nasty supporters. NOT ONCE has the Democratic party or party officeholders who are not Hillary supporters denouned the vile attacks. NOT ONCE. All the while they practically trip over themselves to get to a microphone to express their outrage at any little perceived attacked on their chosen one, Barack Obama.
Well, we will NOT forgive and forget. We will NOT stand for the Democratic party failure to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism and voter disenfranchisement practiced by Obama and the media. The Democratic party is complicit is disenfranchising voters. A 1/2 vote? A 1/2 person? Are you serious? THIS is NOT acceptable DNC, NOT acceptable. The Democratic party MUST pay for their sins. It’s Hillary or McCain in November.
NOW! Thank you!

Does the ‘T’ stand for Tramatized.
What is the world coming to..
A black man as President..
Isn’t this the real Question..???
T stands for Thick. It’s an English word for empty head

For the record, Barack Obama has NOT supported women’s issues. Obama has many, many, many opportunities while in the legislature in Illinois to vote on women’s issues and each time he failed to vote, instead casting his unsual, sit it out, fail to take a stand approach, of voting PRESENT. Well, voting Present is not good enough. Not by a long shot.
So long, sweetie.

Oretega M
Bet you still don’t get it. Somebody help the little fellow out.

S said,
Oretega M
Bet you still don’t get it. Somebody help the little fellow out.
That wasn’t what your mum said last night

American10
Obama is a racketeering, elitist, arrogant bag of hot air. With his nose in the air so often, it’s a wonder birds haven’t called it home.
Country first, party second!

countallthevotes -
I agree, you can vote for whoever you want. And for the record, I am supporting Hillary. Also for the record, I understand that Hillary’s campaign is about more than just her own Presidential ambitions. It’s about the larger issues that she’s spent her life fighting for (healthcare) and about advancing her progressive legislative agenda. Because of my belief in her platform, I couldn’t possibly use my vote in a way that flies in the face of her own agenda (and the party that she herself supports) by voting out of spite for McCain. If you can, I applaud you. Just like you don’t HAVE to vote for Obama, I don’t HAVE to vote for McCain just to prove a point.
Fact – Hillary and Obama support pay equity, McCain hasn’t.
Fact – My sister is a day care teacher, and makes less than the average window washer.
I believe that valuing the traditional ‘womens’ work of a day care teacher should be as valued as the traditional ‘mans’ work of cleaning windows in our society. I will stand with Hillary (and Obama) on pay equity, not McCain, because my sister’s respect and aspirations, and valuing the work of day care workers who are preparing our children to learn and succeed when they enter school, is more important to me than Hillary’s political ambitions. And I think Hillary would agree with me on this.
As an aside, if you don’t think any state would eliminate a woman’s right to choose without Roe, I’ve got one word for you – Kansas.

Can’t Wait to Vote (again) in OH
First, the hate. Now, the reconciliation efforts. Hypocrisy?
Country first, party second!

unexperienced Obama huh..
did ya’ll know Bill Clinton was younger then Obama and had never held an office outside of being Governor of a tiny low ranked in every category state?
He did OK, I think Obama will too.
He’s not Hillary, I know, but there positions are almost identicle on every issue so seriuosly folks, you’d vote for John, I voted with Bush 95% of the time, McCain?
hmmmm, spite is so unbecoming when it will lead to more war and less of everything for the middle class.

tinat
they are not almost similar, sen. clinton was the orginator. obama only copies.
he is not ready to be president and he will not win.
if you were interested in the issues
you should have voted for sen. clinton.
obama supporters always bring that up.
they are almost identical-for me it is just the way to say we KNOW she would be the better president. but lets give obama a try. and that is alright. because he will not win. and he should not win with voters having that kind of reasoning to vote for a president.

julie
It’s always somebody else’s fault. Isn’t it. It’s the Obama way.
Country first, party second!

The democratic party is too broke to fix. Time to move on.
Country first, party second!

I am a woman – I support Roe vs Wade with all my heart. Yet I also support our troops. All political actions cannot be rooted in just one idea. I supported Hillary Clinton, but will vote McCain.
How many men in uniform am I willing to let die while Obama learns on the job? How many despots in the world will think it is open season on America? Please the man cannot speak without a teleprompter.
No experience – no job.

What makes Obama so much less prepared for the presidency than Hillary. The notion that he only ran because a woman was running is nonsense, ever heard of John Edwards, Joe Biden etc. The fact is he ran a solid campaign within the agreed upon rules and has nearly wrapped up the nomination fair and square. If some women are determined to feel like this is sexism so be it, but it taints the argument and only makes people less likely to listen to complaints about sexism when true cases occur.

fool me once writes:
” … If some women are determined to feel like this is sexism so be it, but it taints the argument and only makes people less likely to listen to complaints about sexism when true cases occur.”
Mentioning sexism “makes PEOPLE less likely to listen”? By “people”, you mean “men”, presumably?
Women “feel like” this is sexism? HAhaha.

Belle Starr
No I don’t mean men exclusively because unlike you not every woman thinks this nomination has been determined by the sex of the candidates.

I just stopped by to leave some CHEESE to go with all this WHINE! :)
lol
Seriously . . . ya’ll need to lighten up . . . you ‘re gonna stroke out or something!
President Obama is going to do just fine, and he is going to be a champion of women’s rights and affordable health care, and it is going to be ALRIGHT!
So please take a deep breath and have a cube of pepperjack, take your dog for a walk or pet your cat, and try to get some PERSPECTIVE on the situation!
If you wanna vote for John McCain – that’s just fine too – it’s not worth stroking out about! Let’s just agree to disagree – we’re all Americans after all!
Of course – I’m still backing Senator Obama, but I DON’T WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT IT because it’s nothing to argue about! However, I would ask that people refrain from spreading lies about Senator Obama – like he never voted to support women’s right – because of course that is not true.
But if you have an HONEST disagreement about something (I know honesty is tough for many of you), the that’s JUST GREAT! We’ll count the votes in November, we’ll have a winner and a loser, and life will go on just like always.
So let’s take it down a thousand, ‘kay?
Thank you.

Dear Democrats against Obama:
About that “don’t trust Obama” thing? That’s kind of funny – because I don’t trust Hillary Clinton or John McCain either? They change positions alot, ya know? It’s almost like they will say anything to get elected – kind of creepy, no?

“did ya’ll know Bill Clinton was younger then Obama and had never held an office outside of being Governor of a tiny low ranked in every category state?
He did OK, I think Obama will too.”
Are you kidding? Being governor in a state as large as Arkansas is not the same as being a JUNIOR SENATOR who just has to talk pretty on the Senate floor.
Tiny low ranked in every category state? This is everything that’s wrong with the Dems nowadays. Extreme left wackos are in control and I’m not sure how much better this is than the extreme right guys.
I’m voting for the most moderate person in every election and with Hillary out, that guy is McCain.

“Oh Jesus, Please save us from the fury of this menopausic woman !!!!!
Let’s look at the facts:
RASMUSSEN:
Obama 53, McCain 38
STAR TRIBUNE:
Obama 51, McCain 38″
We all knows that polls never change overnight. NOT. So this means exactly zero.

Sorry OMG, but you are wrong. I voted for Obama and Obama will win my state because we are dems. Would I vote for him again, absolutely.

For me, it really has nothing to do with Hillary (altho much about how she was treated gets my anger up) But it has to do with who I trust the most to be President. I KNOW McCain loves America. I do not believe Obama or his wife do. I also do not trust him based on the choices he has made for the past 20 years, from his church to his 20 year relationship with Ayers, Rezko ect. So IF my choices are between McCain and Obama it is not even close, I will vote for a Republican for the first time in my life. I STILL hope the party wakes up and Hillary is our Nom, but I’m at peace with McCain. I was going to change parties, but decided to wait until after November so I will be recorded as a Dem voting for McCain, my husband will also.
IMO it was really stupid of the RBC and Obama camp to steal 4 delegates from Hillary and give them to Obama. THAT was the worst thing they could have done if they ever wanted us to forgive and vote for Obama.

glenna
the clintons have done more for civil rights than obama

Comet:
What exactly would Senator Obama have to do to prove to you that he loves America? What has he done that suggests he does not love America?
What will John McCain’s love of America do to improve our situation here at home or abroad? Specifics please.
Does George Bush love America? Did he get his way in the media and Congress by challenging others love of America? How’s that working for us now?
The “love America” thing is just not gonna cut it this year . . . if you love America – and yet all of the policies you support are the same ones that have gotten us in this big hole in the first place – what is the vitue in that?
I can’t pay my mortgage or fill up my gas tank with this mythical “love of America” that I hear so much about. Is there a way we can quantify this love – or is this just a catch all phrase to tar and feather those we don’t agree with?

oh belle starr,
thank you, i cannot type fast, but you once again are CORRECT. I wish people would do a little research, before they type things and expect people to run with them as facts.
i checked out mckinney, don’t know.

I think we all care about our country but our STYLES are different.
I just believe in loving my country by spending the billions currently used to keep an unjust war going for needs at home – infrastructure, schools, health care, veteran’s benefits.
I also believe in discontinuing the tax breaks for corporate and giving them, instead, to the middle class to offset the rising food and gas prices.
And I love it enough to shift the focus away from oil companies and their cronies toward making jobs in the alternative fuel and green industries.
These are things that John McCain doesn’t stand for or have at least at the forefront of his plans for our country.
He believes in continuing tax cuts for the wealthy, spending BILLIONS every month on a war we shouldn’t even be in and rattling his sword at Iran.
Yes, he’s a war hero and he loves his country. He just doesn’t love it in the same way that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and I do. Listen to Hillary. She would back me up here, if she could.
I think she was treated badly by the press but not by the Obama campaign. They were in a competition and, by most accounts, one of the least contentious in history, given its length and historic nature.
I am a 54-year-old woman who would LOVE to see a female president. It just isn’t going to be this time. Don’t ruin her legacy by creating a situation where she turns into the spoiler that gave the election to the Republicans. That would be doing a great disservice to her and all she stands for.

hillarynowobama,
who were you before this new handle?
sen. clinton is the better candidate,
obama even with the help of the msm,
cannot change that fact.
the msm had to stack the deck against her because they know she is the stronger and he could never have beat her outright.
he has not won fair and square
and he will not win in nov.
I think the msm only wanted to help beat sen. clinton-
a story about the clinton’ good, bad, or not much at all is the msm bread and butter.
obama will not win
the footage f mccain in black and white
coming off that plane after release from pow camp beside obama and rev. wright is part of what will sink obama in nov.
plus there will be backlash from the black people for him leaving that church.

ibarfly,
i am aa, and i want a black president man or woman-have you considered cynthis mckinney?
but obama is not the one.
i would rather jesse jackson jr.
harold ford jr
there are several black politician who we all know coming up, who are and will be better than obama.
also obama is not as smart as sen. clinton. and the first black president should be able to show he/she is smarter than any one running. remember Harold washington?
after he debated-there was no doubt he was the ONE. not Jane b.
obama did not grow up with the black experience,
he has used the black people for his political advancement that’s all.
the clinton’ have done a lot more for civil rights and trying to level the playing field for all people but especially black people.
so i want a black president and i want one who will win on their own merit and fair and square, where their is no doubt he/she is the best.
obama is not the one.

hillary for obama,
are you telling me mccain being in the pow camp was all a lie?
and mccain was singled out to get softer treatment in the camp?

And one more question – Why is everyone so upset that Obama received 4 extra delegates but those same people were advocating that he get ZERO. How is that being fair and counting every vote?

glenna,
you are correct, obama is not as stong as sen. clinton on the issues,
i want a black president also,
if obama had been running after bill.
he would have won, everything was good, economy etc.
he would have just cap. on it
if sen. clinton had been at the top of the ticket it would have been good for obama and the dems.
he would have learned so much from her.
she is a very smart lady.
she even could have and would have been the very person to help michelle grow into her role.
it is to bad we all could not have come together in jan. and the rev. wright stuff had been out there.
because if it had the dem. party would be solidly winning and would win in nov.
instead of putting the weaker candidate up there and limping across the finish line. the msm has helped do this. and i also think howard dean has to go.
but i do not see how the dem. party thinks they can win in nov. with obama.
and i hope the obama’ continue to NOT want sen. clinton to campaign for them.
because i don’t want her be blamed for anything else to do with obama.

Oh, come on, the Clintons have at LEAST as many shady people in their shadows. Shall I list them? Some of them are Middle Eastern COUNTRIES for heaven’s sake! I prefer to look at the body of a person’s work, their character and what they consistently stand for. That’s why I could cast my vote for either Clinton OR Obama.

Questioner,
Why did Hillary Clinton say the Michigan and Florida votes wouldn’t count for anything?

jgaw,
I don’t want a black president or a woman president. I want a competent president. You can say what you want about Senator Obama, but he has proven to be VERY competent. VERY debt-free and competent.

Nobodys fool writes:
“You can say what you want about Senator Obama, but he has proven to be VERY competent. VERY debt-free and competent.”
Yeah, if “competent” = mansions from mobsters.

JPT -
I never comment on news sites because I usually find the loose ends of each spectrum spitting vitriol and not accomplishing much else. But, because I enjoy Political Punch, I thought I would take this time to call you out on the Horbal quote. The full preceding quote specifically referred to the issue at hand last Saturday: full seating for FL and MI, not a blatant dismissal of Obama. While the McCain quote is still biting, I think this changes the column’s context a bit.
“…Horbal said she and other feminists are promising not to vote for Barack Obama and write in Hillary Rodham Clinton’s name in November if the disputed Florida and Michigan delegations are not fully seated at the Democratic National Convention and Obama becomes the presidential nominee.”

jgaw,
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however, in the likely event that Senator Clinton is not on the ballot, Senator Obama is MORE than competent enough to take over for George W. Bush.

hillary for obama,
why do you obama supporters always come down to that?
i was a dem from the first time i voted.
but i have been for what is fair and right all my life, and this primary has not been fair and right.
i want a black person, but not the way the far left of the dem party has gone about it.

djl writes:
“I, with my one vote, will do nothing to reward the Democratic Party for not standing up for women … not this time. The Party leadership has shown women what they really believe in.”
Brava!

jgaw,
Senator Obama being black is not the reason that he is on his way to being the Democratic Nominee for President of the United States. A clear and consistent message, coupled with a better campaign organization is the reason. If anything, being biracial has been more of a negative than a positive.

nobody’s fool,
that is not saying much,
and you being an obama supporter should think twice before you use that example
to make your case.
all but 26 percent of the american people think
george bush is a moron

jgaw,
Why is it that many of the people who are so adamant about Hillary Clinton’s right to say and do anything she wants are so hypercritical of Michelle Obama? Is she less of a woman than Hillary Clinton? Why is she required to be perfect, while Hillary Clinton is only require to be female?

jgaw,
George Bush is a moron, and yet you want to keep all his policies in place for four more years. What gives? What’s the difference between John McCain and George Bush?

I don’t know… I’ve been around for m-a-n-y elections. There always seem to be lies and shady connections and exagerations when it comes to politicians, and Obama and Clinton are no different.
They both just seemed to be a “cut above” the rest in my book and I was so excited that we could elect one of them – an an African American or woman, to boot – as POTUS. I loved the whole dang SLATE of the dems – Biden, Richardson, Edwards, yes, even Kucinich!
My son is voting in his first election and it is sooooo like my first in ’72. I am so afraid that we are divided enough to lose it, again. So much is at stake. We have to act now to end the war and get a jump on climate change.
We’re the ONLY large, western country to not have universal health care. BUSH would not sign on to eliminate CLUSTER bombs from our arsenals for God’s sake.

??,
Hillary has shown her true colors with her constant appeals to hard working WHITE Americans, her patient wait for Senator Obama’s assasination, and her scary ability to look the American people right in the eye and lie.
P.S. Michelle Obama said REALLY proud – but no matter what she said, I don’t think that she should lose her status as an American based on the deliberate misinterpretation of her comments. The fact that this has become such a talking point really illustrates how very little Senator Obama’s opponents have to offer the American people.

jgaw,
Senator Clinton did not have a clear and consistent message – she had messages: Strength and experience, 35 years experience, ready on day one, solutions not speeches, the boys are picking on me, I can take the heat, McCain and I are qualified, I am being disrespected, we are all gonna work together, shame on you Barack Obama, Obama is an elitist, I can outdrink Obama, white people and latinos like me better, and the list goes on and on.
The only consistent message from the Clinton campaign was that she REALLY REALLY wants to be President. Sadly, that is not very inspiring and doesn’t improve my life a whole lot.

I agree with Horbal. Let the Obama girls worry about their own uteruses. This threat about the SC is getting old. Roe v Wade will slowly be diluted and carved to pieces little by little with Thomas, Scalia,Roberts and Alito.
McCain for 4 years; run another Democrat. Maybe in 2012 we can get it right.
I support Hillary but no matter what she says, if she quits, I will not vote for Obama.

For those of you who have been around as long as I have, Bush’s presidency I believe, is the worst in modern history – worse than NIXON’S!!! McCain is following in the man’s footsteps on most issues.
It’s mind boggling that we may end up with another president who espouses a saber-rattling approach to Middle Eastern problems for the sake of OIL! He said as much – that he hopes no future generations of young men will have to go to war for oil!!!
If we had the billions being siphoned off from our taxes for the war and the millions we have lost in the crises brought on by unsupervised greed in the mortgage and banking industries, think of what could have been done, what we could STILL do as a united party!

Posted by: Hillary for Obama | Jun 3, 2008 12:26:43 AM
they can talk till they are blue in the face, and hillary can beg her supporters to vote bho. many, many of us will not. headlines will not change any of that.

once again nobody’ fool,
sen. clinton always talked about the issues, how she would solve them and how she would pay for them
she told how she would pay for universal healthcare for ALL
she told how she would make college more affordable and how she would pay for it.
sen. ran circles around obama when it can to the issues,
and the msm helped obama and co. divert the american people away from their best interest to HIS best interest.

jgaw,
Senator Clinton does not have to campaign for Senator Obama is she does not want to. That is her choice and she has every right to make it. Nobody is trying to make Hillary Clinton, or any of her suporters do anything. Do whatever you think is best. That’s the American way.
I’m going to continue to campaign for Senator Obama because I believe in his candidacy, I believe he has earned the nomination, he has campaigned positively, and I refuse to let anyone rain on his parade. It is TRULY a happy day!
Obama ’08/’12

nbf
of course you have a right to do as you please. i was just responding to a comment you made further down about sen. clinton will campaign for obama.
and in light of what michelle said
obama said tonight sen.clinton will camp for him
i wanted your response as to why should the obama’ want sen. clinton

Lisa…please do not lump us all into the sore loser category that only wanted a woman and is now having a tantrum.
My initial choice was Edwards. When he dropped out right before my GA primary, I studied both candidates and determined that I felt Clinton was more experienced, had evidence of being able to work across party lines, was surrounded by people I respect like Wesley Clark and Madeleine Albright, and better represented what I wanted for our country’s new direction. Genitalia had NOTHING to do with my choice. For that matter, skin color had NOTHING to do with my choice either.
Then, as HRC started to trail, I paid real close attention to the preachers starting to come out of the woodwork, the “sweetie” comment, and his speeches. Figured, this man, though not my 1st choice, nor my 2nd choice, might end up being my Party’s candidate. He is a great orator when on his teleprompter. Heck, he inspired me with his words in 2004. Yet, without it, he is not so impressive. I still do not feel comfortable with what he will and can actually accomplish.
Clinton is smarter, more experienced, and has a circle of supporters I respect and trust. She has spoken more to the issues, with detailed plans, that I think have real potential to happen. He has given me little to seek comfort in, and much, most recently, to be fearful of.
Perhaps, as they say, it is better to sleep with the devil you know. McCain is a moderate Republican, disliked by the extreme right of his party. He has a resume deep in reaching across party lines and going against his own Party. He is a decorated hero and loves this country. And, he will be even older in 2012, so we Democrats will have a great shot against him as an incumbent. I don’t feel like he is going to screw up this country any worse than it is now and will begin digging us out of some of the problems. Will he give us health care? Probably not. Will he attempt to realign the Supreme Court and overturn Roe v Wade? Maybe. But, with a decent Democratic Congress, it won’t fly.
With Obama, I can’t bring myself to roll the dice, simply because he is my Party’s choice. So much of him is unknown, unproven, and he chooses to surround himself with a circle of friends I have not been impressed with. The hatred in his now-ex church breaks my heart. I can’t imagine sitting there for 20 years. I can’t imagine bringing my young, impressionable children into that environment. If he does not raise his own family in a community of love, forgiveness, and unity then how can I expect him to do any better with our nation?
I was enraged when Gore lost. I cried for my nation when Kerry lost. This election year I am simply discouraged, disheartened, and feel like my choices are between bad and worse.

the fifteen mil. is obama’s number, not sen. clinton.
and sen. clinton said she would make it affordable for you, because everyon who has a job of any kind SHOULD pay. with obama
if you are an adult, you can opt. to have coverage or not. but if YOU get sick and need to go the the er. obama is going to say you have got to pay and then his plan will get your wages.
everyone should pay something.
and spelling words wrong-well that is just wrong
we can talk if you stay above board.

Somebody on this blog has stated that a feminist is defined by being pro-choice. This is very reducing. A female is defined by her sex. A woman defines herself as a full human being.
Maybe young women have to learn about responsiblity of her own body and mind and she can have a better hold of her existence and understand women problematic.
Pro-choice is a convenient matter. I like Hillary approach. It’s better if you don’t have to appeal to abortion. But if for some reason that cannot be overcome otherwise, it’s better that it’s done in a legal manner so there is no medical risk.
I like better defining womanship rather than feminism. This word has more of a socio-political connotation.
The idea of advancement of women roles in society is that women can fulfill high achievement as much as men in different levels : science, litterature, art, politics etc…
But this can only happen if women free themselves from bias and prejudice in society.
Only human beings can reach towards such goal.
In the animal world there is no gender issue, there is just preservation of species as a matter of survival.
It’s demeaning to talk only about the sex as a gender issue. This primary election is a typical example of sexism. Because the other issues which are far more relevant were thrown out : policy, economy stance, geopolitics etc…
They did everything they could to discredit Hillary so the public rather vote for BO while they don’t see the reality : he does not debate as well as she does which shows he does not know well the issues.
But responsibility should be taken by those who have made this mess. They shouldn’t count on the women to support their hate of women.

Going to bed . . . but here’s a thought for you:
If you had a child you had never met or
a family you hadn’t seen in over a year because you were serving your third tour of duty in Iraq, would you vote for John McCain? How are we going to pay for another 4 years in Iraq, borrow more money from China? Is that really strenghthening our country – or is it burying our heads in the sand and hoping that things will get better? I think you know the answer. I do.

please spare us your shade tree wisdom
if you were concerned about the war and all the other issues, you would be voting for sen. clinton.
she knows the issues and how to solve them
obama only copies,
sen. clinton with solutions
obama has a speech.
he will not win in nov.

hillary has lost, and that is all that was important to the dem. party.
but the country has lost because mccain or obama will be able to put this country back on the right track.
so just batten down the hatch,
it will be a ruff four years for some.

sometimes you have to make a statement with your vote and that is what those of us are doing by voting for mccain. our statement says to the DNC leadership and obama = “NO YOU CAN’T” NOT THIS TIME.
You cannot count on the 60% of women that make up the DEM party – we will go elsewhere.
you cannot threaten us with roe v wade. if it has not been overturned under the most conservative admin in my lifetime with a full republican congress, it surely will not be overturned with a less-conservative republican (mccain) and a democratic majority – this does not scare me AT ALL.
it’s about character and qualifications of which obama has NEITHER.
he is a racist and he is not fit to be commander in chief.
i will vote for mccain this time – the 1st time EVER i will have voted republican and I am leaving the democratic party the day that hillary concedes (IF she ever does which I hope she doesn’t).

I am a Hillary supporter and like millions of us (17+), I do care that McCain wins, if she isn’t the nom. I don’t want her even on the ticket as VP. Can’t let Obama’s racist/antiAmerican/ultra liberal ideology near the WH….that goes for angry Michelle.

NobodysFool Well, you must not have children because if you did under Obama’s health plan you would be mandated to have insurance for your children and with that would be the possiblity of garnisment of your wages if you weren’t paying those premiums. If you don’t have kids and opt for no insurance and end up at the ER room then you could end up with fines/penalties for not being insured and be required to carry insurance from there on in under Obama’s plan.

Obama will be our nominee but don’t rule out the possibility that if something were to occur, like perhaps that tape of Michelle going on about “whitey” which people keep alluding to, that Clinton could still end up our nominee. My understanding is that she intends to suspend her campaign which means she gets to keep her delegates until the convention and could jump back in if something were to occur that would impact the nomination of Obama.

Alpaig,
Where can I get the speech of Michelle about whitey?
What actually she said on the tape?
Thanks

I love how I’m watching FOX now and one of the analysts is saying they (DNC) are more afraid of hurting the African American arm of the party than the feminists they saw on Sat in Washington.
I’ve known this since Feb….they would always pick race over gender….worried about riots and scenes with blacks/college kids, women will “get over it”….yeah, that’s right….a quiet riot in the voting booth when we pull the lever for McCain!

I place my right to have my vote counted as higher than anyone’s right to have an abortion.
The Democratic party did everything it could to throw the nomination to Obama. This includes (but is not limited to) taking actions that were supposed to suppress voter turnout, such as prematurely declaring a winner, and going on and on about “why won’t she quit” (as if she should drop out the day they decide she doesn’t have permission anymore or something!)
This also includes playing games with votes, and making numerous statements about how they don’t have to listen to us because we’ll get behind the candidate in NOV (But if Obama doesn’t get the nod, HIS supporters will not only leave the party – which he all but commanded them to do, didn’t he? – but they’ll also be rioting in the streets. And of course THAT is perfectly understandable!)
If this vote had been fair, Obama would be out. I will not vote for any Democrat who did not oppose this. The issue of free and fair elections is far more important than any other, because without fair elections, you have no power over any other issue.
Anyway given how the Dems attacked Hillary, what makes any sane person think they’ll stand up for women’s rights? Aside from the Clintons, has any Democrat stood up for anything in the last thirty years?
Let the young girls do their share of the fighting for a change. Older women are sick of these young girls enjoying the benefits of feminism but having no respect for those who fought the fight.

I say we don’t vote for any of them. We get 4 or 8 yrs of republicans and we get tired of them, then we get 4 or 8 yrs of the dems and get tired of them also. Seems like neither side listens to the will of the people and they could could care less what we think or feel!

I am a black woman who will not vote for obama.
I care about America first to elect an inexperienced person for President is suicide for the nation.
McCain in 08, Hillary in 2012.

proud floridian
you’re wrong
there are most likely going to be 3 justice appointees in the next 4-8 years.
McCain has said over and over he wants conservative justices…and if he wins he has proven that most people don’t really care about issues like Roe vs. Wade…so why in the world would any congessman or senator stick their neck out to defy that?

and all the screamers who say you will vote for McCain…you might but history has proven (over and over…Bill Clinton had similar “defection” numbers during his primary and he had a lot more wrong with him at the time than Obama)
and if you went to any generally mixed dem event in the past month you would see there are a few crazies…that wallow in spite…like weird 5th graders…but most already are saying (and this is still in the heat of this) that even though they said they wouldn’t vote for Obama…there is no way they will vote for all the bad things Mccain is promising.
well…because it would be stupid to go from what Hillary is promising and saying this has to happen on the issues to mcCain …who is saying literally the opposite.

The Democratic Congress has a worse approval rating than George Bush. What have they done to help all of the major issues facing America?
The DNC, controlled by billionaires, chose a weak, inexperienced candidate they could manipulate—they knew Hillary wouldn’t bow to them.
I will cross parties to vote for McCain because I trust his experience and love of this country. Obama’s inexperience and poor judgement could put the USA in a much worse situation.
Hillary08/2012 or McCain08

nobody’ fool,
since you seem to be new to the dem process, and you need someone to explain to you what has happened.
there is not enough time or space to explain to you.
try to be objective and go and investigate for yourself (really-do this)
and you will be able to see how it was not stolen from sen. clinton. sen. clinton’ life is set.
it was stolen from the dem. voters.
because the left wing of the dem. party could not take a chance.
go investigate for yourself-the truth is there if you really care to know

Nafta has hurt our job market in America and Obama/McCain are the best canidates….

America for All,
Are you from Operation Chaos?
MI had a chance to be an early state and they were turned down. The DNC added NV and SC. MI competed with these states and several others.
But MI decided to jump ahead anyway and thus lost their delegates. The DNC threats didn’t just emerge after MI’s primary. MI had been warned well before.
At the time the rule was made, Clinton supporters voted 12-0 in favor of it. Only a lone Obama supporter dissented. So why don’t you explain that FACT?
Remeber at that time Sen. Clinton was considered the like nominee.
Fast forward to Sat and I see Harold Ickes, who voted to strip the delegates from MI and FL, cry foul.
Do you think it was for altruisic purposes or “fair reflection”? No his candidate now had to have those delegates and needed to others to be left up for grabs in order for her to have any shot.
Technically, MI should have no delegates.
Don’t tell me about Obama removing his name from the ballot. That’s not the issue.
There is no way that you can argue that a Soviet style election is in anyway fair.

This is a big mystery to me as well.
It just seems like sour grapes taken to extreme.
There’s no guarantee that Sen. Clinton will be the nominee in 2012. So unless they have a crystal ball, they’re taking one heck of a risk.
As disappointed as I am in the way Clinton ran her campaign against Obama, I’d still vote for her if she were the nominee, because it’s just too important this time.
To me, it’s just mass cult mass suicide for them to vote in a way that could negatively impact them for the remainder of their lives.

If you thought nothing got done in the past few years… a McCain/Clinton ticket would be far worse.
Both are opposed to each other on social issues… so that’s not going to help.
Both are on opposite sides in regards to economic issues… no bi-partisanship there.
Both have different ideas for health care… so we’ll get no help.
That’s got to be one of the worse political wet dreams I’ve seen in a long while.
The Democrats would probably bounce Hillary out of the party thus sealing her political legacy into a big basket of failure.

At 71 Ms. Horbal well remembers the atrocities of illegally performed abortions in back street clinics. I gather the DFL Feminist Caucus in Minnesota is on the fray and obscure, at least compared to NARAL and NOW. I don’t think one woman’s anger over reason would work to McCain’s advantage and override the prevailing hope for change shared by men and women alike.

There’s no guarantee that Sen. Clinton will be the nominee in 2012. So unless they have a crystal ball, they’re taking one heck of a risk.
As disappointed as I am in the way Clinton ran her campaign against Obama, I’d still vote for her if she were the nominee, because it’s just too important this time.
Posted by: Ken,
“”To me, it’s just mass cult mass suicide for them to vote in a way that could negatively impact them for the remainder of their lives……”
Hey Ken I agree 1million percent! If she didn’t make it last time, there is no way in hell she will make it this time. She will ceratinly not make it due to the fact that people like her are standing in his way! If they think people won’t be out for revenge, they’d better think again. Hell, come 2012, I will be leading a petition drive against her a#$. I am sick of these stupid women claiming she was cheated and that’s why she loss. She loss because she had a flawed strategy. These losers better get it into their heads, it is her fault and hers alone. Hillary was treated badly. If anything, she manipulated the process and ignorant voters VERY WELL! And all this will do is handicapped future candidates!…
Signed,
This female is not for Hillary.

This campaigh has been riddled with sexism and ageism. The media partook in these despicable traits…little respect was shown toward Hillary by Obama, his surrogates, his supporters, and his media tweetie pundits. She has been insulted with sexist terms, just like McCain has been insulted because of age. This is no more acceptable than insulting some one because of their ethnicity or race.
There are many ways to express your outrage, one is to boycott…that is what this is: a boycott of Obama.
As for your question whether if she were 21 rather than 71 would she feel the same, because of roevwade: 21 year olds have little concept of what the 71 year olds had to endure and the struggle it took to obtain the rights they have today. Give the 21 year old 15 more years in the job market, and she will become aware that she is still a second class citizen in the United States. in the year 2008.
But the problem has really been the DNC. In the last election Democrats barred Nader from getting on ballots, this election, they set the tone for the despicable destruction of our most viable candidate. Howard Dean MUST GO. As a liberal, I protest by voting Republican….and let the chips fall where they may.

one more idiot with idiotic intention.
I gate all those feminist coalitions: Woamn does not need a company to express herself.
United in these stupid units these women are losing female natural attractive features: softness, carering, dependable, but are becoming angry witches without any sign of brain work.
HATE IT.
Typical white woman, 55, Florida.
And I am fine with DNC decision.

I guess now you can focus on if you still want to support hilary as VP or as she endorses Obama in the next 48 hours.

Whats wrong with Americans these days.
Whats type of Coffee is yaw drinking

Original means “first” or “earliest.” The first thing the Europeans did when they got here was wipe out the Native Americans.
So yes, that was America’s original sin.

Most women who are willing to sit this election out, or even vote for the Republican feel that perhaps we need to lose Roe vrs Wade, so that younger women finally wake up.
I hope Hillary does not agree to a VP position even though she would be such an asset to the country. He is so much like GWB it’s amazing. She would mitigate some of that, but I truly believe that with Obama as the nominee, even if the party was united, they can not win. ‘GD America’ etc doomed him. Only naifs don’t know it.
Can you imagine the Republicans trashing a former Republican president and first lady the way the Obama campaign has trashed the Clintons? No. Of course not. And that’s one reason the Dems have just lost the election. That is if Senator Clinton doesn’t fight it at Denver or run as an independent.

How utterly vain, arrogant, and selfish. I liked a number of the Dems that ran. I had several first choices that washed out over time. In light of the issues facing us, I would vote for Bozo the Clown if he was the Dem ticket, in hopes of ejecting the other bozo, and the bozo wannabe.
Echos of the 2000 vote Naderites. This country (and we, it’s citzens) cannot afford a single day longer of GOP “so called” values…
Most Dems recognize the large number of folks who were scared, or lied to in order to vote against their own best interests. Recall the Daily Mirror headline of “how could 59 million people be so STUPID?”.
This is NOT JUST about Abortion… It is about budget, energy, healthcare, immigration rights, civil rights, Iraq, Iran, our place on the planet, and the planet itself. Please show me one place where McSame agrees with any of the Dems on these issues, (beyond the lip service McSame gave to immigration and global warning, only to back away from both when push came to vote).
It would be shameful to be loose this because it had to be YOUR candidate, or the highway. So much for intelligent debate, or learning from one’s mistakes.

I just don’t understand why some Hillary Clinton supporters are so ANGRY at Obama. Honestly, it looks like they’re just mad because they lost.
I started out and continued in the campaign as an Edwards supporter. After he dropped out, I waited a while to see how Clinton and Obama would campaign against each other.
I’m now a strong fan of Obama. I don’t see where the so-called “attacks” are that he supposedly made against Clinton; instead, I think he tried to stay on the high road as much as possible, and it was HER that was sending the not-too-subtle message that she was “ready” to be President, and that Obama wasn’t.
All the sideshow stuff is just distraction. It saddens me to see Clinton fans pointing at the Wright controversy- that’s as useless as the Vanity Fair article about Bill running around boinking any young thing he can. (Didn’t we all just assume he was doing that anyway? Why is it “news”?)
What really matters is this: Compared with John McCain, both Obama and Clinton are more or less the same candidate. They both have almost the same positions on the real issues.
There are minor differences between them if you compare them to each other, but against McCain, they’re basically the same candidate.
So to say that you’re not going to vote for Obama because he’s “radical left” (a charge which, you will recall, has been thrown Hillary’s way many, many times) is just plain silly.
And to say you’re going to vote for McCain because of “country over party”, well, I agree that the nation should come first- and the nation will be getting four more years of Republican incompetence if we elect McCain.
To Hillary’s supporters, I say, come home. I’m sorry for the negative things that were said about your candidate. I’m sorry you’re pissed that she lost. But the reality is that she did, and if you care more about her positions and what she believes in than you care about individual personalities; if you care more about the nation than a party; if you care more about getting things heading in the right direction than you care about the glory or credit, then there’s only one choice for you to make.
Vote Obama in 08.
Which is, after all, the point of Jake’s post. It boils down to a simple question: Do you care about abortion rights? If so, you dang well better vote for and enthusiastically support Obama, because the whack jobs running the Republican Party would NOT allow John McCain to appoint a pro-choice justice to the Supreme Court.
And Jake’s also right on: It’s blatant hypocrisy for someone to say “well, let abortion go” if they’re not of child-bearing age. They were fiercely pro-choice when it mattered to THEM personally, but now they’re not?
One commenter here actually says that “to get the young women fired up”, abortion should be outlawed. What? That’s so against the cause I can’t believe I read it!
Wake up!
Obama in 08.

The “lose abortion rights scare”. President McCain cannot put a pro-life Justice on the Supreme Court without the complicity of the Democratic Congress. Nor can he continue the funding for the Iraq war (and continue the US presence in Iraq) without the Democratic Congress voting for the funding, as they did over and over and over (like both Obama and Hillary did) in 2007. So, if we end up with 4 more years of the GOP, don’t blame it on the Hillary supporters who will not vote for Obama. Place the blame where it belongs. The blame is on the DNC for SELECTING a nominee who numerous polls have shown is not anywhere as “electable” as Clinton. So, Obama got the majority of Black voters in his camp (90 – 94%). News Flash! The majority of voters in this country are not Black.

Nice to see feminists throw their weight behind a man who voted against equal pay and federal funding for breast cancer prevention.
Ha!!! Gotcha ladies!!!

I would votr for ZHilary but not Obama or McCain. Obama is a flip flopper and is moving towards the centre, one may as well vote for the real republicans instead of Republican Lite which Obama is now.
He is very disappointing, all talk but no details. What is as sickening is the media treatment of him like he is Jesus or something.
You say you won’t vote for obama, don’t like him you are accused of being a racist or having sour grapes.
As a registered Independent I would vote for Hilary but now Nader gets my vote.