By Alexa Ainsworth

Jun 26, 2008 7:35am

Obama Camp Disavows Last Year’s ‘Inartful’ Statement on D.C. Gun Law

ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Alexa Ainsworth Report: With the Supreme Court poised to rule on Washington, D.C.’s, gun ban, the Obama campaign is disavowing what it calls an "inartful" statement to the Chicago Tribune last year in which an unnamed aide characterized Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., as believing that the DC ban was constitutional.

"That statement was obviously an inartful attempt to explain the Senator’s consistent position," Obama spokesman Bill Burton tells ABC News.

The statement which Burton describes as an inaccurate representation of the senator’s views was made to the Chicago Tribune on Nov. 20, 2007.

In a story entitled, "Court to Hear Gun Case," the Chicago Tribune’s James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins wrote ". . . the campaign of Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said that he ‘…believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives. Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional.’"

http://www.topix.com/content/trb/2007/11/court-to-hear-gun-case

The Chicago Tribune clip from Nov. 20, 2007, is an inaccurate representation of Obama’s views, according to Burton, because the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee has refrained from developing a position on whether the D.C. gun law runs afoul of the Second Amendment.

When Obama has been asked on multiple occasions to weigh in on the D.C. gun case he has regularly maintained that the Second Amendment provides an individual right while at the same time saying that right is not absolute and that the Constitution does not prevent local governments from enacting what Obama calls "common sense laws."

Although he has been willing to describe his general views on this topic, Obama has sidestepped the question of whether the ban in the nation’s capital runs afoul of the Second Amendment.

Asked by ABC News’ Charlie Gibson if he considers the D.C. law to be consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms at ABC’s April 16, 2008, debate in Philadelphia, Obama said, "Well, Charlie, I confess I obviously haven’t listened to the briefs and looked at all the evidence."

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., by contrast, has been forthcoming when it comes to the D.C. gun law. 
He signed an amicus brief in the District of Columbia v. Heller case, signaling not only his belief in the Second Amendment but also his view that the DC gun ban is incompatible with it.

The D.C. ban prohibits residents from keeping handguns inside their homes and requires that lawfully registered guns, such as shotguns, be locked and unloaded when kept at home.

User Comments

SOODD: Same old Obama, different day!

Posted by: Soetoro No! | June 26, 2008, 7:43 am 7:43 am

If Hillary Clinton were smart, she’d distance herself from Obama. If she keeps following him around the campagin trail and is part of his campaign that consist of lies and inaccuracies, then she is no better than him.

Posted by: maggie | June 26, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am

Flippety-flop! Flippety-flop! Must be hard, trying to be all things to all people all of the time. LOL.

Posted by: Charlie35 | June 26, 2008, 8:01 am 8:01 am

Just more BS from the left in their attempts at social engineering to make the USA just like any other 3rd world country. Where the ruling elite live up on high with the rest of us are down here begging for their scraps.

Posted by: Doc | June 26, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am

what is needed here is for obama to read the constitution of the united states.

Posted by: sonia trevino | June 26, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am

Don’t blame me: I voted for Hillary! (and I WON’T be voting for BHO!) You asked for him, democrats – you keep him.

Posted by: Skulldugger7 | June 26, 2008, 8:18 am 8:18 am

What is all of this ‘Lies & Inaccuracies’, that is what the Clinton’s do best…And as for the ‘dont blame me, I voted for Hillary’ Are you kidding me!
Why would ANYONE EVER vote for a socialist, of any type! Come on people WAKE UP AMERICA, The Left is hellbent on the destruction of the republic as we know it!!!

Posted by: Damon A | June 26, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am

Obama’s flip-flop pattern is the only consistency this man has. After he takes the position before one set of voters (that they want to hear), he later side steps that position by saying that he was misunderstood, his statements are being taken out of context, or that the attack is simply divisive.

Posted by: bob | June 26, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am

Here it is Thursday and I was beginning to worry that Obama would miss his weekly “disavowal” of some aide, associate, or staffer. This latest disavowal can just be tossed on the heap with his promise to Canada that his opposition to NAFTA is just ‘CAMPAIGN TALK”, his CHE GUEVARA flag in his Houston HQ, REV. WRIGHT, PASTOR PFLEGER, REZKO, AYRES, ETC. AD NAUSEAM. How can this idiot be leading in the polls? Is America brain dead or are there just that many people lining up for handouts?

Posted by: marc christophe | June 26, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am

Obama Husain is sure a change. A change every day that is. This guy has no solid oppinion until someone pays him to have one. Did anyone check how much money the gun lobby slipped in as ‘individual contributions’?

Posted by: Joe Common | June 26, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am

Just like Kerry – a flippin’ & a floppin’!

Posted by: rockthebleachers | June 26, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am

I remember the all the mistakes of the Carter presidency and don’t want to go back to them.

Posted by: kaymar | June 26, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am

Obama’s and your opinion on what the constitution says or means is great fun to debate but of little consequence. The constitution means what the supreme court says it means. Any politician taking a strong position on what the court will rule is setting themselves up to be wrong. The court doesn’t behave like folks like, but as they interpret the document. Get over it.

Posted by: Roger | June 26, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am

The only Constitutional right Obama cares less about than the 2nd amendment, the right to bear arms, is the 4th.
That’s what we saw this week as Obama failed utterly and abysmally to lead our Congress and defend our Constitution against the latest FISA evisceration of our 4th amendment rights.

Posted by: mr. natural | June 26, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am

I sure hope all these previous posts were from one guy.
Personally I’d vastly prefer if guns were banned, especially in cities. Shooting rats isn’t particularly safe so one presumes the guns are meant for people.
Lose them all except for law enforcement and more innocent people will live. That’s the whole idea, right?

Posted by: Pete Dixon | June 26, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am

District of Columbia v. Heller: Ruling today

Im not sure if Ill be around this morning when the USSC issues its ruling on the controversial landmark D.C. v. Heller gun case, so just in case Im not, feel free to use this post to comment on it when it comes in.
SCOTUSb…

Posted by: Sister Toldjah | June 26, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am

What the heck does “inartful” mean?:
adj. performed without art or skill, lack of art or skill; artless; unskillful or not wise in achieving an end; not inventive or creative; unimaginative; not adroit
I’m just a bitter, God fearing (not G. Damning!) gun lovin’ flyover hick.
Hype! for the future.

Posted by: JERRY MACE | June 26, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am

“Just more BS from the left in their attempts at social engineering to make the USA just like any other 3rd world country. Where the ruling elite live up on high with the rest of us are down here begging for their scraps.”
Are you kidding? After the Republicans and Bush spent the last 8 years making the gap between the rich and poor bigger than any point in this country’s history, can you honesty say that with a straight face?

Posted by: Jeremy | June 26, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

“inartful”? First Obama changes the Seal, now he changes the language.
Was Donald Young killed with an illegal gun?

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

Preventing law abiding citizens the right to protect their lives and property from death and theft by banning handguns is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Since the ban the murder rate in DC has remained fairly steady with that of the country where no such bans were enacted. It is a very simple and basic fact that criminals can get their hands on guns from neighboring states, so what good does the ban do if criminals still have guns? People need a history lesson on why the 2nd amendment was written in the first place, yes to protect the individual from others, but more so to protect the individual and the state from a over powerful Federal Government. It’s time to wake up America as to why they want to take your gun rights away, there was a reason we received liberties in the Constitution, we need to step back and see that the US is starting to become what the founders were escaping from England- where the rulers create the laws for the exploitation of others.

Posted by: brendan | June 26, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

What is wrong with changing one’s opinion over a period of time? If your opinion on anything, anything at all has not changed in the last 5,10,20 years, either you are an ordained Saint wise beyond your years (in which case you would not be spending time here), or you are a stubborn idiot incapable of objective introspection and completely incapable of facing up to your flaws (like the current administration), let alone admitting to them.
If you get wiser as you get older, it must admittedly come from a change in you, your understanding and a change in your views!
Labeling other’s actions with choice words only calls attention to your immaturity and biased motives and trust me; it does not convince anybody.

Posted by: Vinny | June 26, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am

sonia trevino: I believe everyone should read the Constitution, paying special attention to the various Articles and Amendments which the current administration has abused and discarded like so much White Cloud.

Posted by: Champ | June 26, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

Obama: Change you can believe in. Change after change after change.

Posted by: Soetoro No! | June 26, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

Obama is just a Liar….liar liar your Pastel Versace Pants on fire…..
Thought it was worth repeating….

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | June 26, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am

obama is more than a flip-flopper. He is a manipulative liar attemping to cover all sides of an issue without actually taking a position or casting a real vote. He tries to portray himself as being on the right side of an issue depending on his audience. He is hollow to the core.There is an evil arrogance to him that surpasses anything we’ve seen before.

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

Too many to list here… and since you can’t spell… I doubt that you could read it either. Glad I’m voting with a clear conscience… at least my vote will cancel out yours.

Posted by: Champ | June 26, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am

So what’s new in this discussion? Every politician “flip flops!” You can find at least one issue for every one of them where they’ve changed positions. I’d even venture to say most of the people responding here have, at some time in their lives, changed their minds about something! It’s called “learning!” The more information you gather, the more likely you can make a more informed decision. Sometimes what you learn causes you to rethink previous positions. Anyway, I don’t care what anyone says, the world is flat!

Posted by: Lucy | June 26, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

Criminals dont bother to purchase arms from a store, they buy them on the street. Yet everyone in favor of this “ban” wants to continue or increase limitations of law abiding citizens whom are willing to register the firearms they purchase for legal use and protection. I am telling you now and you can quote me on this: We will not limit the sale of firearms to criminals from criminals no matter how many laws we pass, all we can do is level the playing field for those whom wish to protect their families in their own homes from the criminals by allowing them to own a firearm for personal protection.

Posted by: Garrick | June 26, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Vinny does have a point. However, I do not wish to be labled immature for pointing out Obama’s changing his opinion every 5,10, or 20…..minutes!

Posted by: gumby | June 26, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Charlie35: “Just more BS from the left in their attempts at social engineering to make the USA just like any other 3rd world country. Where the ruling elite live up on high with the rest of us are down here begging for their scraps.”
OMG! do you really think “the left” has a lock on this? Can you say “neo-con?”

Posted by: Lucy | June 26, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

Lucy
One of the fundamental differences between the two parties is their emphasis on individual vs. collective rights. GOP supporters tend to put more stock in individuals. The libs want, by definition, to have decisions made by an elite few.
You see, there is a difference.

Posted by: A | June 26, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Ah, yes… S.N. That must be it. I’m so busy trying to recognize the original document — with all of Cheney’s footprints and Rove’s Post-It notes blocking my view. But then, that doesn’t seem so important to extremists like you who enjoy avoiding the facts and clouding the truth. ‘Bout time you got back to your Dobsoniac Council Meeting, isn’t it?

Posted by: Champ | June 26, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

YIP
Primaries over, time to look more like Bush.
Too bad the first African American with a real shot at the white house has little back bone and less conviction.

Posted by: hhkeller | June 26, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

I can not understand how or why so many American People can’t see what is really going on (Scare Tactics and lies). We have been mislead by the Republican Party for so long and lied to about everything that has happen in our country since 2001 concerning our safety that either some of you can not see the change for the better coming through the leadership of Barrack Obama or you are stuck in the old ways of thinking (Hate based on the color of someones skin instead of the content of their character),if that is the case the you deserve to pay $4 or $5 dollars a gallon for gas to a man and his business partners (Bush and Co.)and to lose everything you have worked to obtain in life. If what Obama is doing is flip flopping and lying to you ask your self this question. What did Bush do to you for his own personal gain or his families? and you swallowed it hook line and sinker!!! and you took it with no lube or a kiss; either way you want to look at it. Now McCain wants to finish what Bush started. WAKE UP PEOPLE.

Posted by: William | June 26, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

carpenter.nyc: Wow! Still stuck in thrd grade, huh? No wonder the cool kids beat you up on the playground every day.

Posted by: Champ | June 26, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

Obama will bring the gas price to 200 Dollars to a barrel.
Obama’s big cash donors are the bulk of the Speculators on Wall Street….( Goldman Sachs etc etc…)
Obama is just a Liar….liar liar your ELITIST Wall Street Pastel Versace Pants on fire…..

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | June 26, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

A, Yes there are differences in the parties. However, not all Democrats are Liberals and not all Republicans are Conservatives. Yes, many Liberals subscribe to the same Aristotelian views as the Straussian neo-cons (elite few ruling the blissfully ignorant masses.) However, don’t make the mistake of thinking that all Democrats are Liberals or that all Republicans are Conservatives. Read what the parties platforms are and you will see that, as you point out, there is big a difference in the approach each takes. However, the ideologies of Liberals and neo-Conservatives are not unique to the parties!

Posted by: Lucy | June 26, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional. In 2007.
Now his camp saids……DRUM ROLL PLEASE……
Obama Camp Disavows Last Year’s ‘Inartful’ Statement on D.C. Gun Law
Even an uncool kid like me can see a LIAR.
Obama is just a Liar….liar liar your Elitist Wall Street COOL Versace Pants on fire…..
“Obama has sidestepped the question of whether the ban in the nation’s capital runs afoul of the Second Amendment.”
SideStepped?…move to the side? Which Side? … up down to the left to the right— It’s THE HUSTLE…..!

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | June 26, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

If only flip-flopping could be harnessed as a form of energy.

Posted by: MarkW | June 26, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am

I think it’s great that all of act as thougt you take a side on most things in life and stick to it.
Some of us tend to look at things differently when we are privledged enough to get all the facts.
Most of us just like to take what little facts we have and form an opinion that we will blindly defend, due to our own stubbornness.
Don’t you think that someone in the press daily would think hard about giving conflicting views unless they may have truely changed thier minds? Don’t they have advisors that keep track of all these statements and stances?
I don’t know… I don’t have all the facts either.. So I think for now I’ll keep my mouth shut.
But….
For those of you that voted for Hillary, but are not ready to back McCain.. Help me.. Help to understand who is the real Flip Flop here…
You favorite team player didn’t get the MVP, so you decide to route for the Opponents? Help me..

Posted by: Tony M. | June 26, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

john,
Statistics show that having a gun is the best way to protect your life. Even in a city. Unless you want the criminals to run free?

Posted by: MarkW | June 26, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

Obama had since November to artfully restate his consistent position. Oh that’s right, during the PA debate meltdown he tried to claim he didn’t know anything about the case.

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

The gap between rich and poor shrank during the Bush years.
That’s not what makes a third world country poor anyway.

Posted by: MarkW | June 26, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Obama was silent on DC gun ban question in Pennsylvania debate.
Obama wouldn’t answer the DC gun ban case when asked by George Stephanapolis in the debate before Pennsylvania.
This was 5 months after the court took the case. This debate was in mid april when the court took the case in november. Obama said he hadn’t seen the specifics in the case. This was 5 months after the court took the case.
Amazing that he dodged the question in the april 16 debate when Pennsylvania has the most NRA owners in the country.

Posted by: James | June 26, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Obama is still for no guns in parks. Obama is for suing gun manufacturers. Obama is for repealing the assault weapons ban.
You can’t trust the liberal Obama. He not only is far left you can’t trust him.

Posted by: David | June 26, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

Obama judges will overturn this ruling.
Obama will be able to stack the court with liberal justices.
Obama will pick Scalia’s replacement.
Obama justices on the left will rule for rapists, eminent domiain and against the second amendment.

Posted by: David | June 26, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

Champ,
You think it’s cool to beat up people you disagree with??
No wonder you became a liberal when you got older.
(I was going to say grew up, but I realized you never did.)

Posted by: MarkW | June 26, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am

MarkW: “The gap between rich and poor shrank during the Bush years.”
Where is that documented?

Posted by: Lucy | June 26, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

I am outraged that the ELITE INTELLECTUAL Barack Obama refuses to “develop a position” without looking at all the evidence! When the 3AM phone call comes, he won’t have any time to look at all the evidence before the TERRORISTS try to kidnap his children! He has to make a decision by 3:30AM at the very LATEST.

Posted by: Enrique | June 26, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am

Weell, The Court has ruled. McCain was right. Obama was wrong. the law is unconstitutional. At least accorind to the US Constitution, perhaps not in the Great Seal of Obama’s constitution.

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am

“Common sense laws” are a bit like George Bush’s “gut feelings”. What’s common sense to one is folly to others. Why should criminals be expected to obey the law? Why should a citizen depend on others for the protection of himself and his family? Why would our founding fathers expect the Constitution to be ratified if the people could not insure that the new government was not as oppressive as the king?

Posted by: Steven Seltzer | June 26, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

I am a lifelong Democrat, but unfortunately I will not be voting for the presumptive nominee this year. I was excited about our opportunities, but BO is just so disappointing in so many ways. He is such an old-school, run of the mill politician.

Posted by: Phil | June 26, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Phil, Does that mean you will not vote? Will you vote for someone other than the Democrat?
All the candidates were disappointing. Not sure if it’s the individuals though. The process forces the conformity despite any desire to be a “maverick.”

Posted by: Lucy | June 26, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interviews: on Gun Control
Barack Obama: Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008
ABC, please do some follow up work. Obama has been consistent in supporting a total ban.

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

You can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands!
Guns don’t kill people people kill people.
Let’s outlaw cars, fast food and doctors. They kill more people than guns.

Posted by: Steve Sexton | June 26, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Change change change and more change.

Posted by: RWC | June 26, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

I am guessing that roughly 75% of the people who have posted here are paid McCain lackeys. The virulence is overwhelming. Anyone who says something like, “Obama just needs to reed the Constitution” is a f**king moron. If it was simple as that, we wouldn’t need such an elaborate judicial machine in this country. The 2nd Amendment is ambiguous, and that’s why this is not a clear cut case. Also, what is wrong with reading all the briefs and weighing all the evidence? Isn’t that the type of judicious leadership that we want? Leading by reason through informed decisions is preferable to leading by fiat through divine revelation. Also, Obama is not the only elitist politician, so that is nonsense. I imagine most of you trolls don’t eat as well as Mr. McCain. This message board makes me sad actually. I hope you all are getting paid well for your posts.
Also, I own lots of guns and will be moving to DC soon, so I totally agree with the Court’s opinion because I would like to be able to protect myself from murderers and thugs.
And whoever said that the gap between rich and poor shrank during the Bush administration is completely wrong – which I think was everyone’s “common sense” reaction when they read that piece of garbage. See http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/29/business/income.4.php .

Posted by: Interested Parties | June 26, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am

Obama supporters have dame bramage.

Posted by: Soetoro No! | June 26, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am

Great! An issue to bring “bitter” voters out in November to prevent Obama from having the their right to “cling” to guns overturned.

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Obamas usual garbled meaning rhetoric…It’s I didn’t say that or I haven’t read up on it yet…Bottom line he goes like the wind..Back and forth to pls what ever circumstances are at the moment. That is not what we need in a President….Does anyone know yet if he has been proven to be an Maerican Citizen yet….??Several other blogs indicate that is in question. Where is the media on all this??I think they are scared of Obama……..

Posted by: kaye c. | June 26, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

I am guessing that roughly 75% of the people who have posted here are paid McCain lackeys.
Yeah, thats it. When in doubt blame a wild conspiracy about ‘Rovian Internet Bunkers™’ issuing directives to their “paid” operatives.
LOL, you people make my day, every day.

Posted by: Gary | June 26, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

It all depends on what the meaning of “is” is?

Posted by: toby hill | June 26, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am

–have you ever noticed that conservatives can only argue by insulting people?
Posted by: use your brain | Jun 26, 2008 11:18:52 AM–
Just a quick scan of the comments to check about this accusation will find this:
–”Obama is just trying to walk a nuanced line so all you crazy gun-toters don’t flip out.”
Posted by: NeoConAlert | Jun 26, 2008 10:35:16 AM–
LOL, try again.

Posted by: Hank C. | June 26, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

“Wow, the neocon trolls are out in full force today.”
Odd, I was thinking the same thing about pantywaist liberal trolls.

Posted by: Wymyn Unyt! | June 26, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

Now we can look to Chicago’s ban. Is Obama going to claim he doesn’t know anything about that too?

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

Maybe the Obama camp should change their “Hopey-Changey” mantra to this line: “…because the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee has refrained from developing a position…” Seems to better capture the essence.

Posted by: pdxpunk | June 26, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

“While total reported income in the United States increased almost 9 percent in 2005, the most recent year for which such data is available, average incomes for those in the bottom 90 percent dipped slightly compared with the year before, dropping $172, or 0.6 percent.
The gains went largely to the top 1 percent, whose incomes rose to an average of more than $1.1 million each, an increase of more than $139,000, or about 14 percent.
The new data also shows that the top 300,000 Americans collectively enjoyed almost as much income as the bottom 150 million Americans. Per person, the top group received 440 times as much as the average person in the bottom half earned, nearly doubling the gap from 1980.”
Wow! Chew on that a while!
The vast majority (90%) actually saw a decline (0.6%) in income in 2005!
Think about that top 1 percent whose income increased an average of more than $1.1 million! I’m actually in the top 2% of household incomes in the USA and my family income did not increase anywhere close to $1.1 million in 2005. There is an enormous gap between 1% and 2% let alone between rich and poor!
What’s really scary is there are people out there like MarkW who believe the gap is actually shrinking! Makes me wonder what other Kool-Aid we can have them drink!

Posted by: Lucy | June 26, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Obama’s position on guns is actually pretty easy to understand and as far as I can see there has only been some clarification on it as it relates to the DC case. I think his position is pretty fair. I do not see why anyone in this country would need anything like an M-60 or any other such weapon. However if you are an enthusiast there should be no reason why you could not keep such a weapon locked up in a local gun club. As far as I can see Obama believes there is no reason why you can not own a hand gun or even a shot gun. He just would like to see people be responsible with them and keep them from children by locking them up. I used to keep a trigger guard and cable lock on my shot gun while I had kids in the house. Now I keep it in a cabinet, unloaded, with the ammo right next to it. It does not take me but a few seconds to shove a couple of shells home and pump one into the chamber like most people who have the proper knowledge of how to use their guns. With handguns I suggest getting one with a clip but even the ones that need to be loaded differently still should not take anyone very long to do it. As far as the argument goes about time, if the criminal is that close you are not going to make it anyway. You should practice loading your gun and have a plan that will buy you enough time to get the thing loaded or at the very least increase your chances at being able to defend yourself. It would help to have an alarm if you are in an area where crime is high. So I think Obama’s position on the 2nd Amendment and guns is a pretty fair one. This looks to me like a bunch of Republicans doing the same old tired stuff.

Posted by: Jake | June 26, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Obama spent eight years on the board of the Joyce Foundation, which paid him more than $70,000 before he became a national political figure, he sat on the board of a Chicago-based foundation that doled out at least nine grants totaling nearly $2.7 million to groups that advocated the opposite positions.
The foundation funded legal scholarship advancing the theory that the Second Amendment does not protect individual gun owners’ rights, as well as two groups that advocated handgun bans. And it paid to support a book called “Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.”
Get that JOYCE FOUNDATION and OBAMA.

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

Learn the truth about the obama/ayers connection
google:
Barack Obama Chicago Annenberg Challenge
globallabor.blogspot.com has the scoop as does the blog just a minute

Posted by: bruce | June 26, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

Don’t worry. President Obama won’t take away your guns.
Just take a deep breath.

Posted by: Kenny T. | June 26, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

The Politico interview cited above shows that Obama is simply lying now. Any gun lover who wishes to believe Obama’s current lie supporting the ban needs to talk to the primary voters who believed Obama the first time and who believe him on his opposition to FISA.
All that has changed is that Obama discovered he had a problem with Reagan Democrats and they like guns.

Posted by: Jane | June 26, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Jane,
google “Joyce Foundation”. Obama was on the Board and they spent millions to overturn the Second Amendment.

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am

He will try to take your guns and money, he’s a communist, no flip, he’s just a flop.

Posted by: JOEJOE | June 26, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

–Don’t worry. President Obama won’t take away your guns.–
Of course Obama couldn’t take away guns; there are 200 million of them in the hands of 60 million owners. But he could make it impossible to use them, carry them, or have access to new ones.
Eh, its all academic anyway. Senator Obama will be joining Kerry in the “Almost Club”.

Posted by: Gary | June 26, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

“I do not see why anyone in this country would need anything like an M-60 or any other such weapon.”
Huh, that is exactly the argument that gun-banners use when talking about any firearm, “Why do you need that”?

Posted by: Ruff, Ohio | June 26, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

“The official Obama website scrubber must be busy today.”
Today? Obambo had to hire extra I.T. staff just to keep up with all his circular opining.

Posted by: The Man | June 26, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

geevil:
Nice Republican talking point!
The truth is that the Joyce Foundation, among other things, supports programs that reduce gun violence. The issue is not related to gun control. In fact, it gives a lot of gun violence money to meedical organizations like the University of Pennsylvania and the Harvard University School of Public Health. Ooooooooo…I’m scared.
This myth is designed to scare people and it has nothing to do with the truth.
Try again.

Posted by: Kenny T. | June 26, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Let’s elect Obama, but tell him he can’t bring his aides. They’re terrible!

Posted by: Seal | June 26, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Flip-flop? Communist?
A lot of posters here are delusional. You’re swimming against the tide here. The Republicans have lost any moral compass they might have had and they’re just hoping they can distract the public. You’re all falling for it. Read any polls regarding the public’s attitude toward the country and you’ll realize that people who are struggling to stay above water are not going to fall for this nonsense.

Posted by: Kenny T. | June 26, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

The recent Gallup poll had the candidates tied at 45%, not that it matters; watching polls now is for dolts. Moral compass accusations? From the libs? Comedy gold!
On topic: Just got news that the NRA is going to file suit against the Chicago gun law.
Hehehehe, put Obama over the barrel and then beat the snot out of him with his flip-flopping. Let’s see how he handles this one.

Posted by: Danith Karter | June 26, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Obama is so full of it. But here’s the topper. In a speech given to MCAIN=Bush III and his friends/felons, referring to the rest of us:
“Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin’, Banjo-Strokin’ Chicken-Chokin’ Cousin’-Pokin’ Inbred Hillbilly Racist Morons.”

Posted by: xsssx | June 26, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

They call him Flipper.

Posted by: tww | June 26, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

The Heller Decision

One of the most anticipated Supreme Court decisions of the year is in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller. This decision involves the critical question of whether or not the Second Amendment confers an individual right to keep…

Posted by: Rhymes With Right | June 26, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Obama was in favor of the gun ban before he was against it.
What a clown!

Posted by: Aaron Burr | June 26, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

Danith Karter:
Stick with the poll you like. Bloomberg/LA Times and Newsweek give Obama a double-digit lead. However, I suggested watching polls about the country’s attitudes, not about the presidential race. Oops!
When McCain changed his mind about tax breaks, torture and off-shore drilling, I guess he wasn’t flip-flopping. Oops!
My point about being delusional was that the idea that someone is going to take away your guns is fear mongering. I guess you’re afraid, too. Republicans run on this issue every election and then do nothing to further the protection of the Second Amendment. Laws continue to get passed all over the country. Some are upheld in court; some are not.
My other point was that this issue is going nowhere because people have real concerns to deal with in this election. Trying to trump up the gun issue is just your way of distracting the electorate. People care about the economy and Iraq — not great McCain issues.
Sorry, but your Obama flip-flop statements are not going to get McCain elected.

Posted by: Kenny T. | June 26, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

so mccain has poor morals and judgment and obama has really bad judgment and is the biggest hypocrite to come along in a great while……seems like the only option left is to Write-In Senator Clinton, which is ironic since she would make the best President that our children, our troops and our country need right now

Posted by: chris | June 26, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

I am waiting for Obama to come out today and say something like, “This is not the Constitution I thought I studied.”

Posted by: Aaron Burr | June 26, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

5-4 is not fear mongering. It is one liberal judge away from facism.

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

Ever notice when Obama is about to lie – he begins the sentence with “I confess”.
Just somebody tell me a policy decision that he stands for – what is his platform – except “believe in me – have faith in me”.
He has no record – no writings, except about himself, no legislation record – no new ideas…. what does he stand for??? What does he STAND for – really?
America has taken on a victim mentality – bind faith is what BO wants. He tells his followers – go out and tell your story – don’t talk policy.
Here is my story – I have no political exprience, I’d like all that money, I can associate with crooks, radicals, or anyone else that needs appeasing – CAN I BE POTUS – hell yes according to his
and the Dem’s criteria.

Posted by: jr | June 26, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

I am going to love to see Roland Martin and Donna Bazille on CNN have to “eat crow” when McCain wins in November. These two are the absolute worst analyst in America! They both are extremely racist, both lie out their behinds, and are so far up Obama’s a$$ that its not funny! I laughed the other night when both of them were singing nothing but praise for Hillary Clinton when in the primaries she was “trash” to them. They flip-flop just like their messaih Obama does. I just can’t wait to see their ugly facial expressions when they have to announce that John McCain won the election!

Posted by: david from texas | June 26, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

The murder rate in DC will go back up, and it will once again become a very dangerous city. Even scarier is that this legislation was passed by justices appointed by a president who is not the rightfully elected leader of this country. Our government is so corrupt!

Posted by: Carol | June 26, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Present!

Posted by: Mack | June 26, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interviews: on Gun Control
Barack Obama: Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008
ABC, please do some follow up work. Obama has been consistent in supporting a total ban.
Posted by: geevill | Jun 26, 2008 10:55:28 AM
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Geevill, read the quote buddy. I guess it all depends on what the definition of illegal is? He wants all illegal handguns off the street and he used the DC ban as an example. The only problem is the DC ban made all guns illegal. He is trying to confuse the issue but turning to words like illegal and not referring to the banning of all guns by DC. He lets you then infer what you want and he will come back later and pick which side made the right inference. He worded so there are two answers and depending on the case result he will give the answer that agrees. Had the court upheld it he would have said he was for the ban and keeping illegal guns off the street. Since it was overturned he merely states he was against the ban because of the burden on lawful gun owners but is for getting illegal guns off the street. Two Tongue O knows which way to go, let the wind blow and he will too.

Posted by: Kabookey | June 26, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

Quite frankly, I’d accept this over any of the dozen upon dozen of McCain’s change of positions (thank you McCain=BushIII for the rundown-it’s lengthy to be certain!). Perhaps it’s due to his POW days or just being outlandishly senile that he just doesn’t REMEMBER what his position was last week. Evidently, it’s okay for McCain to flip and flop and pander and lie and have no character whatsoever. He gets a free pass on EVERYTHING, but not Senator Obama. And JR, obviously you haven’t read Barack’s book, “Audacity of Hope” to understand his take on positions, policy making, and politics. It’s not just about him. Read it before you comment about it.

Posted by: Martin | June 26, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

yes another two-sided argument. But Obama took the side the ban was constitutional. He did not join in the other 55 Senators. and Obama’s years on the Joyce foundation board will not let him weasel out of this.

Posted by: geevill | June 26, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

“Something Wicked this way comes and it hails fro Chicago.”

Posted by: Blair Pittsburgh Pa | June 26, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

The murder rate in DC will go back up, and it will once again become a very dangerous city. Even scarier is that this legislation was passed by justices appointed by a president who is not the rightfully elected leader of this country. Our government is so corrupt!
Posted by: Carol | Jun 26, 2008 1:02:55 P
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Carol, you need to check some facts there before you post because DC has some of the highest murder rates in the country and I bet if you take into account their population is only about 500k with a murder rate of about 200 a year that most likely makes them the murder capitol of the country based on population. You really need to know what you are saying before you speak Carol.

Posted by: Kabookey | June 26, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

Is there a link on the front page of Drudge, Malkin, Limbaugh etc. for all these smart-aleck conservative “comments?” They’re all eerily similar in content, intent, and anger. And so evenly paced too…hmmmm.

Posted by: Martin | June 26, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

Quite frankly, I’d accept this over any of the dozen upon dozen of McCain’s change of positions (thank you McCain=BushIII for the rundown-it’s lengthy to be certain!). Perhaps it’s due to his POW days or just being outlandishly senile that he just doesn’t REMEMBER what his position was last week. Evidently, it’s okay for McCain to flip and flop and pander and lie and have no character whatsoever. He gets a free pass on EVERYTHING, but not Senator Obama. And JR, obviously you haven’t read Barack’s book, “Audacity of Hope” to understand his take on positions, policy making, and politics. It’s not just about him. Read it before you comment about it.
Posted by: Martin | Jun 26, 2008 1:32:08 PM
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I see Rolland Martin has made his way from CNN to spew here. This thread is about the DC Gun Ban now I know the Oboters can’t defend his own inartful position on the issue so they run off and say ooooo look the other guy flips. Nice try ladies but that doesn’t help good ole Saint O on this issue. We are going to need a book for all those positions he took then changed. He is on both sides of every issue. He really should be running against himself and America can vote for Gun Ban O or No Gun Ban O.

Posted by: Kabookey | June 26, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Obama is inartful, all right. Can you just imagine how he’d handle negotiations with other countries? Makes my skin crawl. The man is totally inept.

Posted by: tanarg | June 26, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Certainly McCain and Obama differ on Gun control. As Americans we must accept that there are differing opinions, and that gun control laws must adapt to the safety requirements of cities and states. The SCOTUS decision is not necessarily right or wrong, but it does set a precedent for future decision.
LOOK! if the majority of the people were truly in favor in maintaining civil liberties despite safety concerns these same people would also be in favor of the previous SCOTUS decision of giving Gitmo detainees the right to challenge their sentences in court. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT THE CASE!!

Posted by: Adrian | June 26, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

to understand how well gun bans work one must simply look at recent history.
Just look at what the gun bans have done to the crime rates in england and Australia then you will see what kind of a positive impact we would see in the USA with more gun restrictions.
Please look at hard data before making up your mind on this issue

Posted by: Stevec | June 26, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

This is not the gun law I knew – Again?! You must be kidding me. This guy cant make up his mind about anything. What a fake! Hillary is forced to support Obama – she has no choice even if she knows and have said it many times. Obama does not have what it takes to be president (I don’t even think he should be in Senate – and by the way the only reason he is senate is because he sank all his opponents a la Chicago style). So a vote for McCain is a vote aginst Obama – I’ll survive till 2012 maybe Hillary will run again.

Posted by: ex-democrat | June 26, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

“The Chicago Tribune clip from Nov. 20, 2007, is an inaccurate representation of Obama’s views, according to Burton, because the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee has refrained from developing a position on whether the D.C. gun law runs afoul of the Second Amendment.”
“He has refrained from developing a position” Wow, so he won’t take a stance on an issue because he doesn’t want ot be wrong. If he can not develop a stance and have the guts to back it up and stick to it then he should be no where near the White House.
He doesnt create a position because he wansts to see how people react to the supreme courts decision then back which ever position would A) get him more votes, or B) the opposite of what McCain says just so he could argue with him. I want to say Obama is an idiot but he is actually a very calculating man who does everything for a reason and its not in the best interest of the poeple. He is a danger to our country, and no thats not an over statement.

Posted by: Peter | June 26, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

I get it now… Obama has all of these surrogates. They speak and Obama can disavow them when inconvenient in the future. Wow, what a way to run anything.
Only yesterday was he waffling on the decision – a “constitutional lawyer” who had no opinion on a constitutional question. But now that the decision’s in he can throw his spox under the bus and say his subordinate was incorrect… why did Obama not correct it last year if this was not what he meant?

Posted by: smartprimate | June 26, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

What exactly is a “lawfully registered shotgun?”

Posted by: J. Phred Muggs | June 26, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

Ken321: “The current administration has done more to trample my civil liberties than I can imagine.”
Please explain. I don’t notice any particular change in the past 8 years.
Thank you.

Posted by: Terry Ott | June 26, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Obama is trying to find a balance so the gun people don’t attack him. If you find this flip flop terribly offensive, then go ahead and be terribly offended.
Obama’s got bigger fish to fry, and 2nd amendment stuff is like number 27 on polls of what’s important to voters.
All presidential candidates do this. McCain did it on taxes, immigration, and a whole host of other issues. It would be nice if they could take bold positions on everything. But they can’t because they have to appeal to too many different groups to win.
I would be more worried if a candidate were compromising on core issues. As far as I can tell the only one doing that is McCain.

Posted by: Russ S. | June 26, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

The Supreme Court is right.
Finally, the voices of the legitimate D.C. moose hunters and semi-automatic hobbiests have been heard.
Who cares about young black kids or other murder victims anyway?

Posted by: Russ S. | June 26, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

Why are the Republicans jumping all over this instance when they have literally crapped all over the constitution the past 8 years with a war that was not declared by congress, outing of CIA operatives, lies about war intelligent, illegal camps for detainees, etc. Do you really want to go there about protecting the consitution? What happened to state rates? Don’t they have the ability to form their own law within the state/union. Nebraska’s problems aren’t the same as DC’s. Another Republican tactic. Oversimplifying a diffcult issue. This is why your candidate is getting smoked.

Posted by: Patrick | June 26, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Looks like the Republofairy trolls are all earning every inch of their pay here today!

Posted by: Yuranazol | June 26, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

I am so embarassed to be an American when I see ALL of the statistics showing this as a very gun violent nation. But the NRA and Republicans like to mask the issue with THEIR TAKIN’ OUR GUNS AWAY – YEEEEEEHAAAAAA How many statistics does it take to make you realize that a gun in your home hillbilly does NOT make you safer? LOL For God sakes America EDUCATE.

Posted by: Jason | June 26, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

In 2004, 2002 And 1998, Obama Received “F” Ratings From The National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund. The NRA has given Obama 3 “F’s.”
http://www.gop.com/news/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=2c548675-03cc-45a0-a72f-be875b1cd0f0

Posted by: Will Smith | June 26, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Don’t blame the Repub posters for jumping all over this. It has to be difficult supporting 4 more years of the worst administration this country has ever known. It’s gotta be tough too to see Virginina, Iowa, CO, and more going Blue. It’s a trend that is unstoppable.

Posted by: Patrick | June 26, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

j phred muggs, If you do not feel the suspension on Habeus Corpus or the due process of law to be ok then I feel for you. Luckily, you have not been determined to be an enemy combatant. Even though there is no defintion anywhere in the Patriot Act. The extremes justification this admin has for executive powers is far too long. There is no system of checks and balances.
I am still trying to find any mention of an internet bill requiring a database from merchants.
What exactly is an arrogant elitist? How is education and class something to be looked down upon? Vote for John McBush, he is just like you and me. Even though he is chartered on his wife’s private jet. Doesn’t everybody have one of those?

Posted by: kenb321 | June 26, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

What we should do is repeal the fruitcake 2nd amendment and be done with this.
It was for another time anyway, a time of state militias. Countries without such silly ‘rights’ have hunters and gun hobbiests too. They just don’t have gun murders.
Let me guess – you gun lovers out there just got your panties in a wad. But face it, ladies. This is an issue only for presidential campaigns, and in the real world we are getting more and more restrictions on guns. This is happening because sane people run local governments and find them necessary and beneficial.
Regarding Obama, regardless of all other issues, simply getting an ‘F’ from the NRA is enough to make me vote for him.

Posted by: Russ S. | June 26, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

I just want to say how glad I am that so many political groups could be here to pretend to be real people voicing their opinions. It’s really a testament to the power and democratizing effects of new media.

Posted by: Ann Acshuall Personn | June 26, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

I find it fascinating that we are continually told that Obama is one of the great communicators of our time, yet every statement ever made has to be re-explained, or corrected, or interpreted, or revisited.
Or, when the tides turn, old comments are revisited.
He’s a phony, folks.

Posted by: Not a McCain fan, either | June 26, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

Senator Obama does not just flip-flop – he flop-flops. He does seem to have a lot of “spokespeople” who don’t know what he thinks – probably because HE doesn’t know what he thinks. Does he even think?

Posted by: Catttt | June 26, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

Most of the people posting on this site are so partisan or anti-Obama that they can not smell the BS being pushed by themselves and the media. I am an independent and I don’t like either candidate that much. But I wish all you guys would wake up and smell what you are shoveling and what you are eating up.
Obama may very well be a flip-flopper, though this would be the weakest example to demonstrate such a claim because Obama never said anything in regards to the DC gun ban. All the media has is a year old quote form an unnamed source who was apparently affiliated with the campaign. I dare say that this is not the same as if Obama would have said it directly. Also, since Obama repeatedly side-stepped the issue and did not comment on it publicly I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt when he says he never made a public statement on the ban.
I feel like this explosion of flip-flop comments is just a bunch of partisan people who are blinded to the facts by their hatred of the man.
I am not saying you have to vote Obama, and the man has flip-flopped, most notably on public financing, but lets not go into huge tirades about how the man has flip-flopped and is nothing but a lair if you are supporting John McCain. Both men are politicians and both men have and will flip-flop on policy. However, from an objective view point, I feel that Obama’s flip-flops are overblown while McCain is let off the hook on a lot of important issues
I have followed politics for a while and I voted for John McCain in 2000. But that McCain was radically different from the 2008 version and I will not vote McCain in 2008. McCain has flip-flopped on the Bush Tax Cuts, Torture, Off-Shore Drilling, Immigration, and Public Financing to name a few and though some of these changes in position can be justified there are others that can not.
While I do agree with John Maynard Keynes quote about how he changes his positions when the facts change, this does not apply to all of McCain’s flip-flops. Most notably the fact that McCain now supports the Bush Tax cuts which he voted against twice. In 2000, McCain voted against the cuts and said it was because they were immoral since they gave the vast majority of the benefits to the rich. In 2002, he again voted against the tax cuts and said it was irresponsible for a president to lower taxes in a time of war. The facts have not changed when it comes to the Bush Tax cuts, but John McCain’s position has because he now wants to make those same tax cuts permanent. McCain changed his position due to political necessity- he could not have won the nomination without backing the tax cuts- and that clearly is the worse type of flip-flop on a very important issue.
I don’t care if you vote for Obama, but you should at least know the facts before you start to criticize a man and call him a complete fraud. Obama may be an elitist liar, as many on this blog claim, but if that is true of Obama then what is to be said of John McCain?
America needs to rise above the partisan bickering and examine the facts and CURRENT policy positions of all the candidates and then evaluate them openly and fairly. And the same is true for this blog.

Posted by: mike | June 26, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

Most of the people posting on this site are so partisan or anti-Obama that they can not smell the BS being pushed by themselves and the media. I am an independent and I don’t like either candidate that much. But I wish all you guys would wake up and smell what you are shoveling and what you are eating up.
Obama may very well be a flip-flopper, though this would be the weakest example to demonstrate such a claim because Obama never said anything in regards to the DC gun ban. All the media has is a year old quote form an unnamed source who was apparently affiliated with the campaign. I dare say that this is not the same as if Obama would have said it directly. Also, since Obama repeatedly side-stepped the issue and did not comment on it publicly I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt when he says he never made a public statement on the ban.
I feel like this explosion of flip-flop comments is just a bunch of partisan people who are blinded to the facts by their hatred of the man.
I am not saying you have to vote Obama, and the man has flip-flopped, most notably on public financing, but lets not go into huge tirades about how the man has flip-flopped and is nothing but a lair if you are supporting John McCain. Both men are politicians and both men have and will flip-flop on policy. However, from an objective view point, I feel that Obama’s flip-flops are overblown while McCain is let off the hook on a lot of important issues
I have followed politics for a while and I voted for John McCain in 2000. But that McCain was radically different from the 2008 version and I will not vote McCain in 2008. McCain has flip-flopped on the Bush Tax Cuts, Torture, Off-Shore Drilling, Immigration, and Public Financing to name a few and though some of these changes in position can be justified there are others that can not.
While I do agree with John Maynard Keynes quote about how he changes his positions when the facts change, this does not apply to all of McCain’s flip-flops. Most notably the fact that McCain now supports the Bush Tax cuts which he voted against twice. In 2000, McCain voted against the cuts and said it was because they were immoral since they gave the vast majority of the benefits to the rich. In 2002, he again voted against the tax cuts and said it was irresponsible for a president to lower taxes in a time of war. The facts have not changed when it comes to the Bush Tax cuts, but John McCain’s position has because he now wants to make those same tax cuts permanent. McCain changed his position due to political necessity- he could not have won the nomination without backing the tax cuts- and that clearly is the worse type of flip-flop on a very important issue.
I don’t care if you vote for Obama, but you should at least know the facts before you start to criticize a man and call him a complete fraud. Obama may be an elitist liar, as many on this blog claim, but if that is true of Obama then what is to be said of John McCain?
America needs to rise above the partisan bickering and examine the facts and CURRENT policy positions of all the candidates and then evaluate them openly and fairly. And the same is true for this blog.

Posted by: mike | June 26, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

I live in North Carolina and every month or so we have some poor kid killed or maimed for life by a parent’s gun. Oh well, it keeps the little idiots from drowning in the above ground pool or being alone in the trailer when a tornado hits…

Posted by: Bill in NC | June 26, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Terry Ott: “Ken321: “The current administration has done more to trample my civil liberties than I can imagine.”
Please explain. I don’t notice any particular change in the past 8 years.
Thank you.”
Terry Ott, Where have you been for 8 years? Have you tried to get on a flight? Or cross a border? Have you tried to get into an office building without being scanned or searched? Have your phone conversations been intercepted? Have you or someone you know (or know of) been detained without due process? Are your email and text messages retained by your employer? Have you not changed the way you think about what you can or cannot say in a public forum? (Something only Joe McCarthy was able to accomplish in modern times!)
Oh, not to mention the many thousands who have been sent to fight and die in an undeclared war.
If you think these few example of erosion of our liberties are insignificant, than Ben Franklin was speaking directly to you!
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” – Benjamin Franklin

Posted by: Lucy | June 26, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

Thank you Mike.

Posted by: Lucy | June 26, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Obama has changed so much that now, he acually is “CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!” Let’s hear it one more time! Really, is there any issue where he doesn’t have conflicting and changing positions?

Posted by: georgia | June 26, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

Who is this low brow guy Bill Burton, telling ABC that Obama made an “inartful statement”? First of all there is no such word, but that would definitely not worry anyone in Obama camp. What the heck, after all , there is no such person as Obama – just a caricature of what the Democrats ( and he himself) believe an Obama should be in order to win. His persona, beliefs and character are all secondary to winning. There is however a word “artful” which in my dictionary is defined as ” tricky or crafty or artificial”. so I guess we can conclude that although Obama is usually artful ( tricky, artificial and crafty ), this time unfortunately, he was not tricky or crafty. So Mr. Burton: A little learning is a dangerous thing, drink deep or taste not the Pierean spring.:

Posted by: tanya | June 26, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

There is nothing wrong with changing your mind. Everybody is allowed to, provided that it is to correct where you might have erred. Read Emerson again: “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.” It takes courage to change your mind when needed, when you think its right and better for the greater good. As for Bush, there are many of us who wished he changed his mind. He lied about the weapons of mass destruction. And in the process, cost the lives of thousands of people all over the world! I’m voting for Obama, he’s got more common sense and is balanced and fair. Bush never cared for the grassroots people and McCain doesn’t seem to. Obama does. Support Obama, go WhyObama08.org!

Posted by: G Green | June 26, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

To Bill in NC. I see you’ve drank from the Obama cup of kool-aid.
Our liberties have not been infringed upon since 9/11. We can still say or do whatever we please. Security at an airport is common sense. Especially when there are those that would seek every opportunity to kill an American whenever they could get a chance.

Posted by: Fake Barack | June 26, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

I am a lefty liberal and I don’t trust him. I wish you folks would stop defaming liberals.

Posted by: Linda C | June 26, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

The Supreme Court Gets It Right On The Right To Keep And Bear Arms (RKBA)

Big Surprise: The Supreme Court Of The United States Of Americas Ruling Says D.C. Gun Ban Unconstitutional
Our 2nd Amendment Civil Liberty Right To Keep And Bear Arms is now unquestionable due to the SCOTUS long-awaited, way overdue, VERY…

Posted by: THE GUN TOTING LIBERAL™ | June 26, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

@Champ – There’s ONE amendment that Bush has violated in a new way that past administrations haven’t, and that’s the 4th. Supposedly there’s also the 6th regarding Guantanamo, but since that was decided by Kennedy and the 4 assholes who voted against Heller, including that senile son of a bitch Stevens, I’m going to disregard that decision.

Posted by: Ravenshrike | June 26, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm

G Green: ”
To Bill in NC. I see you’ve drank from the Obama cup of kool-aid.
Our liberties have not been infringed upon since 9/11. We can still say or do whatever we please. Security at an airport is common sense. Especially when there are those that would seek every opportunity to kill an American whenever they could get a chance.”
Try again! Actually, I have no desire to see a President Obama. Nor do I have any interest in a President McCain! I will vote for somebody, but I don’t know if it will be a Republican or a Democrat.
Almost every charge leveled here can be equally applied to both parties’ candidates. Of course! They’re both politicians.
However, I think you’re being dangerously naive if you think our liberties are not under attack. (From both the left and the right.) Yes, you can certainly “say or do whatever we please” but rest assured, if you use the right combination of words or move the right amount of funds, someone will notice. Just ask Eliot Spitzer.
Security at an airport is hardly common sense. It’s been proven over and over how easy it is to defeat the security measures in place. You wouldn’t want real airport security! You would definitely feel your rights are being infringed upon!
It doesn’t bother you that habeus corpus can be suspended by executive fiat despite the requirement of Article One, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution which states “The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it?”
If it’s OK to do it once, then it’s OK to do it whenever it’s expedient. That is a serious erosion of our liberty. Lincoln anguished over and regretted his decision to do it – and he had good reason to do it!

Posted by: Lucy | June 26, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm

Obama throws another principle under the bus.
Republicans sometimes violate their campaign promises. Democrats always do. The entire purpose of the Democrat party has been to fool people into electing them, then to not do what they have been elected to do. Carter, Clinton all ran as centralists, but governed as leftists. When Democrats say what they believe, they loose badly (Mondale, Dukakis). When they lie, they may win a plurality (Clinton 43 percent, Carter 44 percent) if there is a third party candidate.

Posted by: Don Meaker | June 26, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

Wow- You McCain supporters have some nerve.
In the last year McCain has done a complete 180 on-
Drilling
Choice
Torture
Tax cuts
Privatization of Social Security
Domestic Spying
Gitmo
He has kept his position on the very popular-
The War in Iraq (even though he does not know the difference between Sunni and Shia).
Opposition to Veterans benefits (The Webb GI Bill, on of 30 Seantors who opposes education for combat veterans).
You all picked this guy to represent the Republican brand. Have a good time with it. There is not a single major issue he has not flip flopped on, other than the war in Iraq. We all know how popular that trillion Dollar adventure has been!

Posted by: PTC | June 26, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm

“I have disowned the D.C. handgun law. It isn’t the same D.C. handgun law I once knew”

Posted by: OxyCon | June 26, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

BOTTOM LINE:
Tyranny can come from both parties.
Guns Rights Protect us from a Government that will take our liberties.
TAXES is THEFT of my liberty, and my life. The higher the taxes the more I am a SLAVE to the STATE.

Posted by: ME | June 27, 2008, 2:45 am 2:45 am

I don’t see why he would need to disavow this comment. As I understand it, 4 out of 9 supreme court judges thought that the law was constitutional – and they’re presumably pretty knowledgeable in the constitution – so why on earth should it be a bad thing if Obama thought so too?

Posted by: Andrew | June 27, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am

Remember This When A Liberal Tells You The Press Tilts To The Right

One of the funniest things I hear and see as a blogger is when some lefty tries to tell me that t
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Posted by: Liberty Pundit | June 27, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

For a national news station, your coverage is profoundly unbalanced in favour of the gun lobby and republican position. Along with Fox News, the depressingly biased stance being taken by the media with so powerful a media as television is in my view a significant threat to your democracy. God forbid that you should allow Rupert Murdoch and his type to dictate the course of political thought and debate. Leave bias to the printed press where it is much more expected by its core readership.
As for your contributor who thinks that gun control is something that belongs to the 3rd world, what planet is he on? The right to bear arms is an anachronism and is given to too many who lack the restraint necessary. in 1812, it made sense, but in 2008? How many studies do you need to come out demonstrating that handguns are more often than not used by a member of the household against another member of the household either accidentally or on purpose? How many more high school or workplace massacres will it take before you change things?
What benefits does America really get from free access to lethal weapons? Is the country made safer when a couple of 15 minute famers can arm themselves to Delta-force levels from their local gun-store because they’ve had a bit of bad press? This way lies madness guys. Not that I expect much sympathy from your contributors for this viewpoint.

Posted by: Mark B | June 27, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

Doesn’t know the constitutuion or does not care!!! Too young and inexperienced to be a leader of our great country. People don’t seem to care who hhe is or what he really stands for!! How scary is that?
Sally

Posted by: sally shaw | June 27, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

I love the sound of right-wing panic. President Obama has come. So get over it and hold on to your guns tight as you can. This issue “don’t stop no show.”
It will continue to be debated, so there we are. The gun lobby is a powerful lobby but the American people want something a little different after 8 years of Republican Ineptitude.

Posted by: Peter Archanjo | June 28, 2008, 5:52 am 5:52 am

Come on people. Get real! Regardless of political affiliation, if you see they’re lips moving, they’re lying!

Posted by: Phil | June 29, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

So first Obama says that he agrees with the gun ban, then when some people don’t like him for it he says he was misunderstood? Do we really want someone like this as president, someone who compromises their own beleifs because they get bad press?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 30, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am

I wasn’t that thrilled about McCain so I’ve done what ever I can to read up on as much info as I can on Obama. I had never heard of him. I go to Obamas smear site when something is unanswered (born in Hawaii not Africa). However, it has actually made more problems for him in an area where he tries to explain the truth of some comments about a fellow white employee who is ‘arrogant. and white…’in one of his books. That was actuallhy a turn off for me.
Now there is this gun ban reversal he has commented on,and his comments don’t read right with other things I’ve read as far as his beliefs on that either, or connect with his own cities gun ban that they have there that is almost as strict as DC’s. He commented on the new ruling saying that some areas need this ban, but his own city has so many killings and women I have seen who are crying on on TV about their children shot by gangs and such this year (I have lived here 2 years), and I worry that his judgment on that ban being a good thing might come out in policy if he becomes president. I will be curious to see how the media covers the fact that everything out there says he was clearly for this ban and found it constitutional, and now he puts a new spin on it that seems to cater to the right.
I still have lots of unanswered questions and see a lot of moving to the right on Obamas part (BIG MOVES). I’ve even heard this same thing in the news about the same time I am noticing it as well.
Some in the news are fed up with the Wright subject, but they aren’t the ones trying to figure out who they will vote for from the way it sounds… but a lot of us never heard Obama asked some crucial questions on this and that has left us unable to find an appeal for Obama. Questions like: Do you believe in Black Liberation Theology that Wright repeatedly quoted as the basis for his sermons while you were there that 20 years. Did you and/or Michelle tell your daughters that these sermons did not hold some things in it that you believed in, and if you had to go to all that trouble, wouldn’t it have been easier to have your children in a church that better fit your beliefs and avoided having them subjected to such hate speech.
I have been upset by some in the media. Their coverage has been soooo pro Obama that we they seem to have skipped over some important areas that those undecided have not ever gotten answers to.
I have been more turned off by Obama because of several areas the media isn’t pressing him for real answers on (causes mistrust on both Obama and the media). I also get suspicious of some in the media when they only show states Obama is ahead in when I hear on another station that Gallop has them tied 45 to 45 on. That would be okay if they showed McCain’s numbers at that time but they’re only showing one side and that makes me very worried about the cable news media (especially the LARGE ones).
My other letter was taken off this site yesterday. I tried to reword all the same concerns a bit nicer, and we will see if ABC will leave it on and take the criticism if it fits them and take a hit on some areas on Obama to some degree, as I frustratingly try and figure out who I will vote for, because I plan to take the best out of two candidates that are way more liberal that I am.

Posted by: Teresa | June 30, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am

i heard that obama has not produced a american birth certificate is this true? it was something clinton brought up durning the debate. itwas never answered. how can he be president if he’s not an american? thank you .kathy schilling of florida

Posted by: kathy schilling | October 29, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

i heard that obama has not produced a american birth certificate is this true? it was something clinton brought up durning the debate. itwas never answered. how can he be president if he’s not an american? thank you .kathy schilling of florida

Posted by: kathy schilling | October 29, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

I find the talk about Obama Camp Disavows Last Year’s ‘Inartful’ Statement on D.C. Gun Law – ABC News all a bit meaningless. Governments and central banks round the planet have done everything they can to preserve failed banking institutions, and loans that was imprudent from the start. We will not have a proper self sustaining recovery without an end to deficit spending and lots of financial institutions going bust. I find discussion about personal finance and loans a bit meaningless. I also think the home prices have to fall a lot even now. I mean why would you want to own a home in the US or France? Isn’t it much more cost effective to rent? Regards, Delois Tshudy

Posted by: Delois Tshudy | November 12, 2011, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

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