Obama Camp Explains Bin Laden’s Rights…Again

Umm…who is Craig, and who is Smith. I think a quick journalism course would teach these so called “journalists” to introduce the subjects that they are writing about and not call them Smith and Craig out of the blue !!! But of course this is Sunlen Miller !!

So what would Mccain do? Ignore the supreme court? Call him and ask him! You guys are some lazy reporters can’t you put in this story what Mccain would do as well so we can make an informed decision. I’ll just assume that mccain will tell the judges to go to you know were ignore our checks and balances and do whatever he wants. All while he’s lighting the constitution on fire!

Hillary is on a mounth long vacation but she’ll be with Obama on the 26th I think.

I don’t understand why people are so upset about this. Murderers have rights drug dealers have rights. Do you guys really hate our constitution and america that much. I think you really need to be called traitors!

Call me old fashioned, but I kind of like our Constitution. I guess Obama does too.
I would certainly prefer that Bin Laden was rotting in jail than running free as he has been for the last 7 years.
In truth, I think this is rubbish. I may not be a McCain fan, but I suspect that he will respect the Constitution (including Habeas Corpus) far more than the current administration.

Even ex-Bush administration flacks have rights too.
Safavian had his conviction for Abramoff related charges overturned yesterday on technicalities. No word on the re-trial, yet.
But there is simply no reason why UBL can’t have some sort of trial before he is executed.

Its the Constitution of the United States, not the world. Last I checked bin laden is not a US citizen and therefor not a granted rights under it.

So now Americans are terrorists? is that what your saying Joe. Because we want to find and execute this man. This man who would gladly execute your and my children without trial and without remorse? You think we would be terrorist for protecting ourselves? I never flew a plane into his house, I don’t want to kill his children. But I’m the bad guy?

why don’t we rename our country into
United States of Islam

Dennis- you got it exactly right!!! OBL is NOT a US Citizen, and therefore, he has NO rights. He is in a war with us & should be treated as an enemy soldier- shot on sight. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court got it wrong, yet again.

Osama Bin Laden and Taliban will have the rights to appeal in court under Barack Hussein Obama’s rules. Yes, all of us have to move into caves somewhere in Pakistan after that!

We are supporting our morals by killing Bin Laden, thats what we do as a society, kill mass murders. Are you calling our Military mass murders? And on your second point I tend to agree, kill them all if they are terrorists that deserve to be killed.

Joe,
Even Hillary appears a thousand time with Obama or goes campaign for him; I still write her name in and vote NO to Obama!

Good denis we agree on something I don’t want to pay for gitmo anymore so ethier give them a trial and sentance them, let them go, or kill them! Simple as that!

Oh ok Joe thats right I forgot, Bush sucks. Your one of those. Bush is sending enemies of Big Oil to gitmo, and everyone knows it but doesn’t do anything because their in on it too. Koo koo, koo koo.

So as I asked Joe do you think our military are mass murders? you said they just have cooler weapons than the terrorist

What is Mccains plan on gitmo? Anybody? does he have one? I’m really sick of my tax dollars going to a concentration camp.

john this isnt a criminal trial… i dont think there would be high profile attorneys waiting to take on terrorists as a client…
they would be able to ask why tehy are being held prisoner, and in the case of bin laden, that would be… well youve claimed to be the mastermind of this attack, soooo were holding you
why do we need denny crane for that?
you need to get off your soap box and stop thrashing our constitution there johnny boy

marie tx
bush=saudi=mccain=halliburton
they are all connected!!!
they are rich power hungry war thirsty humans all tyring to extort iraq for political and legacy gain

Right now I believe that Bush is useing our military to spread christian terrorisum to muslims. And in return we can expect more attacks as well. What do you call it when someone blows up a house in the middle of the night? Trust me its a big sh** sandwich. I think Bush wants to antagonize muslims in order for them to attack Israel then they will burn down the Mosque on the hill and build a Jewish temple. Then the Christians get there rapture! And the evangelical christan crazys have won!

hey dennis at least obama wants to do something about bin laden unlike mccain and bush who decided to START a war in iraq….
apparently so bush could have a legacy
some legacy

LOL!!!! I hope you didn’t take that seriously! Just getting a rise out of you! But I do think our military isn’t being used properly.. It’s like trying to kill a fly with a ball bat.

I don’t just think Bush sucks. He is the worst and the dumbest president ever! So I ask you what is Mccains big plan? Anyone? Oh Bush probably hasn’t got it to him yet.

tim -
We are not other countries. We are America.

Dennis
your right bin laden isnt a citizen of the united states… but we here in the united states, we citizens did decide that we were going to make certain laws and certain rules, and we were not oging to be a tyrany and a terrorist nation, we were going to rise up and be lawful and thoughtful and hold ourselves to a higher standard…
all men are created equal and no matter the crime we would give them a fair trial because that stood out from all those other terrorist and shady governments…
just because you arent at your hosue anymore do you just start crapping on the living room floor of your friends?
i hope not, otherwise you may not have any friends…
no you hold yourself to YOUR standards
thats why you are taught manners… its the same thing, we as americans by keeping peopel held for no reason other then to keep them in limbo means we are sinking to a lower level then what we as american set for ourselves… which is to rise above
taht doesnt mean let hte terrorists go as you and some of your other short sighted repub bots are saying and trying to hammer away at…
no you give them the right to plead their case, and then you pass judgment….
we have a fair legal system, much more so then other countries, if youd like to be another country or if you hate america or the constitution this much… please try somewhere else like burma, or perhaps youd like to go hole up with hamas or hezzballoh,
get out of my country im tired of you repubs spitting on my constitution
YOU MAKE ME SICK

The point is that those at Guantanamo (and those who have been there previously) are not terrorists; they are terror suspects. That’s the whole point of this discussion. If you think that anyone who has spent time at Guantanamo is a known and proven terrorist, then you should do some reading.

Obama’s message “HOPE for some spare CHANGE” when Obama tax the h*ll out of American people. Now we’re going to have to pay for lawyers to defend Osama and his terrorists. Wow and there are a bunch of idiots on here supporting this idea. I wish only obama supporters pay the taxes obama supported not me because I don’t want my small business owner to reduce my hours, my wages or lay me off because he cannot pay the “tax the rich” idea.
“HOPE for spare CHANGE!!”

aaron stop reading repub tlaking points
mccain wants to extend tax breaks to the top 2% are you in that range?
obama wants to give those that make less then 200k tax breaks and tax teh rich
soooo im guessing you fall in the obama tax cut part
yet… i see you think obama is going to tax you for some reason
i suggest you get your facts straight
im tired of bush and mccain giving the richest of hte rich breaks and loop holes to continually get out of taxes while i and the rest of us lower income people get stuck supporting the economy and making those rich peopel even more rich
NO THANKS MCSAME

Bhrandon
Keep talking and cursing, your pipe hole will not shut until your savior Obama get kick like a ball in November. You are one of typical Obama’s supporters who will scream and moan like a wounded animal when someone has opinion on your candidate!
It’s pathetic to see the pure hate from those support this jerk!
My entire family was in the army and we know how war looks like! You don’t speak for me and my family! In addition, you don’t know anything about my background so just shut up and stay where you are!
Go to hell with your Osama and Obama!

You can critize Obama all you want he beat Hillary so he can take whatever a couple people say about him on these post. T still waiting…. What your barking cat got your tounge?

Government needs to have a background check on those support Obama. A lot of them have connection with terrorists and some of them are “real” terrorists!

Spirit Rebel is EXACTLY why we should NOT put bin laden on trial. Spirit apparently doesn’t understand the good and bad or evil. Put enough people like Spirit on a jury and they all get off, time served, because the US is soooo bad we deserved it anyway. If that happens you can invite OBL over for dinner and see what happens, maybe you can play xbox together, work on your MySpace pages together, go to Starbucks, attend a beheading of a journalist doing his job, on shoot some infidel children together. Good Luck with that.

Obama wants both ways.
On one hand, Osama’s head is wanted for $40 mil.
On the other hand, according to Obama, Osama is presumed innocent.

Here is a lesson for you T: Liberal
1a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States. liberally, liberalness

What if OBL is not brought to Gauantanamo Bay??

Another Obama terrorist connection. Do you think Obama’s support of Osama Bin Laden’s right to a trial has anything to do with so many terrorists and their associates supporting Obama?
Jun 16, 2008
Al-Qaeda terrorist’s son an Obama fundraiser
Here’s another ‘associate’ that Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Hussein Obama may want to throw under the bus. This is a Debbie Schlussel exclusive.
Al Churbaji is a Syrian national currently living in Ann Arbor, Michigan, from where he is fighting the Department of Homeland Security’s endeavors to deport him. If successful, this will be the second deportation for Al-Churbaji, after a return to the U.S. that violated federal immigration and deportation policies. More on that later.
But even if Al-Churbaji is deported, at least two of his six children, a son and a daughter, were both born here and are by law U.S. citizens. These terrorist anchor babies can carry on what he started.
One of them is his son, Mohamed Salim Al-Churbaji a/k/a Salim Alchurbaji (heretofore referred to as, “Salim”) [pictured. CiJ]. He is a student at the University of Michigan and serves as a Barack Obama fundraiser and organizer, according to Salim’s own testimony. He testified that he, Salim, has made at least one recent trip to terrorist host state Syria, their father’s native country, but his brother testified that it was actually at least two trips, including one in the last year-and-a-half.
What were they doing in Syria–a country where they could be tortured due to their father’s memberships in the Muslim Brotherhood? We may never find out. A College Democrats activist and political chairman of the U-M Muslim Students Association, Salim also done some modeling and fancies himself as something of a male supermodel. But you can bet, he wasn’t posing or exploring fashion in Syria.
Most of this story is about Salim’s father Mohamed and the sordid state of affairs that is American immigration policy today. I suggest strongly that you read the whole thing. But I want to come back to Obama for a second. Did he not vet Salim? Did he not care? Did he hire him knowing that he’s the son of an al-Qaeda operative who has traveled twice to Syria for unknown purposes?
And what will happen to the Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security if – God forbid – Obama becomes President? Will they disappear? If they do, I suggest you stay out of shopping malls, movie theaters and other crowded places….
Cross-posted to Israel Matzav.
Posted by Carl in Jerusalem on Jun 16, 2008 at 03:39 AM | Permalink

Liberal.
1a. Not interested in established tradional or othodox authorarian attittudes, views or dogmas,; free to be bigoted, because we are better than you.
b, Favoring proposals for reform, no matter how stupid or racist as long as it makes me feel good and screws others
d. if its yours and I don’t have on its mine.
oops that last one was from toddler rules, but I think it still applies

Marie,TX – Your implication that the people of Trinity Church were dancing about 9/11 is a lying, mean-spirited slander. If you really believe that, then you need to get out more; if you are just saying it to smear, shame on you.

Amen Susie Amen!

Why doesn’t your husband shoot them? If they are enemy combatants and firing at him.

Sorry Joe I don’t know all of Stalins teachings like you, and you would have put all Nazi’s on trial(During the war) so as much as I dont like Bush he’s far far better than either of those, both of who were defeated by who..??? Guess, the evil terrorist Americans right? Right

susie – For one thing, this “war” will never be over. Secondly, not everyone in Guanatanamo is an enemy combatant.
Bin Laden is a special case, of course, and I doubt he would live long enough to see a trial. But the point is that habeas corpus is a fundamental human right with no exceptions.

jock59801 Transcript from Jeremiah Wright – 9-16-01 – Cut 9 – Faith footnote – chickens coming home to roost.
“The chickens have come home to roost”
“Now I asked the Lord what should our response be in light of such an unthinkable act. But before I share with you what the Lord showed me, I want to give you one of my little faith footnotes. Visitors, I often give faith footnotes so that our members don’t lose sight of the big picture. Let me give you a little faith footnote. Turn to your neighbor and say faith footnote (audience responds). I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday. Did anybody else see him or hear him? He was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, did you see him, John? A white man, and he pointed out, an ambassador that wasn’t Malcolm X saying, when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad, was in fact true. America’s chickens are coming home to roost. We took this country, by terror, away from the Sioux, the Apache, the Arawak, the Commanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism. We took Africans from their country to build our way of ease, and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism. We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel. We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers, and killed unarmed teenagers and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard-working fathers. We bombed Qaddafi’s home and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children’s head against a rock. We bombed Iraq. we killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard-working people, mothers and fathers, who left home to go that day, not knowing that they’d never get back home. We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye. Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children after school, civilian, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards? America’s chickens are coming home to roost. Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that, y’all, not a black militant, not a reverend who preaches about racism, an ambassador whose eyes are wide open, and who’s trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them, and we need to come to grips with that. Let me stop my faith footnote right there, and ask you to think about that over the next few weeks, if God grants us that many days. Turn back to your neighbor and say footnote is over (audience responds).”

Transcript from Jeremiah Wright – 4-13-03 – Cut 7 – God damn America, and Condaskeezza Rice.
“The United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating its citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest-paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education, and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strikes law, and then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no, not God bless America, God damn America, that’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating her citizens as less than human. God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme (applause). The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent. Think about this, think about this, for every one Oprah, a billionaire, you’ve got five million blacks who are out of work. For every one Colin Powell, a millionaire, you’ve got ten million blacks who cannot read. For every one Condoskeezer Rice, you’ve got one million in prison. For every one Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters, with his Cablasian hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women, God has His way of bringing you up short when you get too big for your Cablasian britches. For every one Tiger Woods, we’ve got ten thousand black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent. But I’m fitna to help you one last time. Turn to your neighbors, say he’s fitna to help us one last time (audience responds). Turn back and say forgive him for the God damn (audience responds). That’s in the Bible, though. Blessing and curses is in the Bible. It’s in the Bible. (applause) I’m fitna to help you one last time.”

Nice Mary!! I like it now what part isn’t the truth?

      “Do people not understand that Bin Laden
      is an enemy combatant, not a civilian accused
      of a crime?
      He should NOT have the same rights as a
      civilian accused of a crime.”
      susie | Jun 18, 2008 5:51:29 PM
You are the one who does not understand, susie.  “Prisoners of War”, by definition, are considered military (or sufficiently para-military to qualify for the protections provided enemy military under our treaties and under our own laws).  Captured “enemy combatants” are either military (POWs) or non-military combatants (not POWs).  “Not POWs” are, by definition, civilians.  They are subject to being hung, just like spies and civilian saboteurs.  If we take him alive, bin Laden is waiting for a rope.
 

Which country do we have a treaty with for these terrorists?That we agreed to their rights and protection?

Jimmy Carter all over again. Expect hostages to be taken the first week that he’s in office.

      “Which country do we have a treaty with for these
      terrorists?That we agreed to their rights and protection?”
      Dennis | Jun 18, 2008 6:08:59 PM
It’s actually in the Geneva Conventions (to which we are signatory, treaty members) that we have to deal with all prisoners according to the Conventions, whether or not their “country” is a signatory to the Conventions.  You should read them.  It’s been a while back, but I did read them.
(I think it’s in our Military Code also, but I’ve not read them for myself.)

In response to: apparently some Major news is about to break that either deals with McCain or Obama. Anyone know anything about this???
http://www.realdealreport.com/
Posted by: jjandall | Jun 18, 2008 4:31:07 PM
First of this isnt creditable at all this is why the news and any other reputable medias have entertained it… this information goes back all the way to 1999 and disputed in 2004. TRUST ME if this was creditable Hilary and McCain would have jumped face first to have it aired…
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/04/larry-sinclair-obama-accusers-murky-past/
Now look people, if you dont like somebody bc of their policies say that…or whatever your personal opinions are.. but pls keep your lies to yourself.

Dennis -
The problem of “giving them a voice” is a legitimate concern, but it doesn’t trump human rights. But as you say, there are alternatives. This doesn’t have to be in open court. The reason the Supreme Court said that is because they had given Bush an opportunity to setup military tribunals that would be fair, and he failed. The point is that habeas corpus must be granted. That can be done with moderate secrecy, however.

I wonder if OBL read the Geneva Conventions too. If he did he probably broke them that bad boy.

United States is the leader of the World. We have held moral leadership of the world since after WWII and at a great price. The rights of men (and women) are basic and no respecter of boundaries. Those are the teachings of our forefathers and founders.
It is easy to just pick OBL or whomever we don’t like, hack them to pieces or do whatever else suits the mob. But that will not be in our national character.
We, as a nation are better than that.
IMO OBL should, if captured alive, be given the same treatment he denied those 3000 people in NY, the hundreds of people in Madrid, London and elsewhere.
Let the world observe our decency as a nation even as the death penalty OBL deserved is handed to him and his ilk in good time.
Our nation will be purged of its ghosts and we can reclaim our leadership of the world (including our moral leadership too).

Tim – Obama agreed with most of what you are saying in his speech. One of his main points was that Wright does not give enough credit to America’s ability to change. Wright is not running for President, thank God. Obama is, and he seems to understand these things.

McCain has said that he’d like to personally shoot OBL, but then flip flopped to say that he’d get one of his aids to shoot him, then flipped again to say that he’d lead a firing squad. However, later that day he couldn’t remember the subject ever coming up.

Stephanie – The Constitution applies to anywone being held on U.S. soil, and the Court ruled that that includes Guantanamo. They would know better than I would.
But habeas corpus goes beyond the Constitution. It has been considered a bedrock human right for at least 800 years. Last time I checked, America still believed in human rights. If remaining true to our principles costs a little bit of extra money, so be it.

Mary,
You should be honest with yourself and tell the world that everytime someone says or does something you don’t agree with over the years, you just up and left.
I don’t know your background, but no normal and stable human being will succed in life by cutting people off like you expect Obama to. Wright was his pastor. Ok so what?
Wright can speak for himself, and he does a great job of it.
Obama is a different man than Wright and should be credited for his own words and actions not the words of another, much older gentleman.
Keep your bigotry with you and discuss issues here intelligibly.

Spies and terrorists may be subject to civilian law or military tribunal for their acts and in practice have been subjected to torture and/or execution. The laws of war neither approve nor condemn such acts, which fall outside their scope. However, nations that have signed the UN Convention Against Torture have committed themselves not to use torture on anyone for any reason. Citizens and soldiers of nations which have not signed the Fourth Geneva Convention are also not protected by it (Article 4: “Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention are not protected by it”.), whether they are spies or terrorists. Also, citizens and soldiers of nations which have not signed and do not abide by the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions are not protected by them

But habeas corpus goes beyond the Constitution. It has been considered a bedrock human right for at least 800 years. Last time I checked, America still believed in human rights. If remaining true to our principles costs a little bit of extra money, so be it.
Posted by: jock59801
OBL didn’t give a damn about human rights when they flew those planes into those buildings. What if he is found not guilty? Should he be left go?

The bottom line.
You have a choice. Is your life better now after 8 years of republican rule?
Do you want to at least try and figure out how to get out of Iraq and bring this Osama guy to justice?
Do you want to quit borrowing money from china? Do you want your govenment to stand by the constitution?
Ask yourself those then go vote!

It wasn’t misinformation. We killed alot of people. Some bad some not

“Do you want your govenment to stand by the constitution?”
Then support Ron Paul.

I actually am better off than I was 8 years ago, I didn’t want to go into Iraq in the first place, and I figured out along time ago their ain’t now way either side is going to fix this in the short term. Maybe 20 years from now we can get America back if we Elect someone like Ron Paul. Or Mitt Romney, Or Tom Tancredo. Even none of them are near perfect but wayyyyyyyy better than Obama. Maybe in 20 years Obama will be ready but not now.

jock59801, Timothy McVeigh was also an ex Marine who hated America. So the fact Rev. Wright is an ex Marine tells me nothing about whether Rev. Wright has any love for America. As Obama as famous for saying “words count”. As to the transcripts of Rev. Wright’s sermons, “the chickens have come home to roost” sermon was right after 9/11 on September 16, 2001. The “God D### America” transcript was on April 13, 2003 and was used to illustrate Rev. Wright’s long track record of hatred for America.

Mack- I don’t know. We don’t know exactly what Obama heard over the years, and we also do not know if he talked to Wright about disagreements. If he missed an opportunity to give another viewpoint to the church, than that is a legitimate criticism. But the fact remains that it is not a hateful church, as anyone who has attended will vouch for.

On the Laws of War…..Spies and terrorists may be subject to civilian law or military tribunal for their acts and in practice have been subjected to torture and/or execution. The laws of war neither approve nor condemn such acts, which fall outside their scope. However, nations that have signed the UN Convention Against Torture have committed themselves not to use torture on anyone for any reason. Citizens and soldiers of nations which have not signed the Fourth Geneva Convention are also not protected by it (Article 4: “Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention are not protected by it”.), whether they are spies or terrorists. Also, citizens and soldiers of nations which have not signed and do not abide by the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions are not protected by them

I think Obama should pick Osama as his running mate. It’s got some real flow to it. Obama-Osama 2008

“J – Yes, I believe him. I have watcheed him and read him enough to trust him, and most Americans are coming to the same conclusion. You are welcome to hate him all you want, but you only get one vote.”
Just out of curiosity, how long have you been following his career?

You agian. Still waiting on your ideas. Thats it your Rush limbaugh comlain about everone else then just pop pills drink scotch and slip back into oblivion T or should I say Rush.

J – Yes, I believe him. I have watcheed him and read him enough to trust him, and most Americans are coming to the same conclusion. You are welcome to hate him all you want, but you only get one vote.—–
I never said I hated him, I just don’t like him and some of the people he associates with. I get one vote and I am yet to decide who will get that.
Most Americans are what got us into this mess in the first place. Putting their trust in somebody like Bush and his cronies. How can you put your trust into somebody you virtually don’t know anything about his past? It’s not like the MSM has been doing their job.

Posted by: Mack | Jun 18, 2008 6:58:42 PM
What the community organizer, a few years in the Illinois Senate and not really anything to speak of in the US Senate? He’s been campaigning for POTUS most of his time in the US Senate.

Dennis – I don’t really see it as what we can legally “get away with.” All people should have a right to challenge their detention, regardless of what any conventions say.
And why should this hurt us? If it makes everyone happy to go through all of the steps before we hang him, it doesn’t bother me. I seriously doubt he would be captured a live anyway.
The larger point is that there were some people in Gitmo who turned out to NOT be terrorists. What if we had just killed them all at first? If we execute people without demonstrating their guilt, then we are not America.

There are no easy answers. On the one hand you want to set an example for the rest of the world, on the other hand you are giving a voice to fanatics that refuse to listen to reason.

Mary – You can parse words all you want about which things Obama did or did not claim to hear. Frankly, I don’t care. I don’t find Obama a hateful person. End of story.

T— Kind of like the Obama Ayres thing?
Go back to school!

Joe, I was being sarcastic. I believe Obama is not being truthful when Obama said he did not agree with Rev. Wright’s hateful sermons. The fact Obama belonged to Rev. Wright’s church for twenty years should tell you everything you need to know about what Obama believes. Also, yes, I do believe Rev. Wright when he said Obama is just another typical politician and will say anything to get elected.

Fact GOP supported Osama bin laudin and his muhadjadeen in the 80′s as a counter force to russian occupation. Fact they left those people high and dry after promising to help build a government. Fact Clinton was boming suspected terrorist sites in Afganastan during his adminstaration. Fact the republican congress vote to make him stop the boming. Fact they then wasted millons of dollars over the now famous dress ordeal.. Fact Clinton left Bush a memo of major threats to the usa wich at the top was osama. Fact Bush took the first 9 months of his presidency off. Then BOOOM!!! 9/11
Once again osama is the bastard child of the GOP!

What didn’t you understand? Seems pretty clear.

Fact the USA under GOP controll trained Osama! Then let him train these Jihad bastards! So T use your computer and look it up prove me wrong. Then use your head for something besides a hat rack.

Mary – Actually, that is not exactly what Wright said, but close enough I suppose. Did Obama change his story in order to get out of a bind? Maybe, although there is no obvious proof of it. So what?
I consider both Obama and McCain to be as honest as politicians can be. The way everything they say is pounced on and twisted around, I’m surprised they are brave enough to open their mouth at all. I find Obama to be at least as honest as any recent presidential candidate, and that is good enough for me. I prefer to vote for President based on what they will do for the country, not on “gotchas.”

And the 3rd Rambo movie is dedicated to the Taliban!

Jack – It was clear you were accusing Obama of treason. It was just not clear why.

I have never been to church but I wanna go check out that Trinity Church it looks kind of fun.

i’m leaving going fishing hey T kiss my white butt!

OBL and the CIA have been tight as thieves since the 80′s during the Afgan invasion by (Russia). OBL was treated in the American Hospital In Dubai and met with CIA officials there in July 2001. The fact that executive orders were issued on 9/11/01 allowing the Bin Laden family to flee the US without questioning, and the fact that the unit assigned to capture or kill OBL was told to disband (after we gave him a headstart), would suggest OBL would recieve habeus corpus protection and probably a suite at the St. Regis as well.

Ken,
Let us know exactly what “rule of law” has be ….flouted?
Be specific please
Thank you

Ken, you may be praying for a Bush third term if Obama gets elected and implements his economic and foreign policies of waving the white flag of defeat. Look at what happened during the Carter Administration when Carter tried to play nice with the Iran during the hostage crisis. Iran was radicalized and fanatic Islam was awakened to become the threat to America and the West it is today. Gas prices went sky high. Inflation went through the roof and job layoffs were rampant. Obama conomics and foreign policy sounds a lot like Carter’s economic and foreign policies and if you expect any different results you are living in Obama la la land.

Obama is going to melt down in front of mainstream America because his ideas are insane.
We’re talking about Osama, but how about Kalid Sheik Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11.
If he has the right of Habeas Corpus, shouldn’t he also be extended:
- the right of innocence until proven guilty
- Miranda Rights?
- How about jury of peers?
- How about legal search and seizure?
- The right to appeal?
Obama won the votes of the extreme left liberals and environmental radicals. His nonsense is going to be revealed over the next few months and Hillary will be waiting for the time when the Dems realize they made a horrific mistake.
As dangerous as it is, it’s kind of fun to watch.

Javalation, For your information, one of the reasons, in addition to supply, that oil prices are so high is the speculators. Once the speculators know that America is serious about drilling for oil here the speculators will stop driving up the price of oil and it will start to go down. Also, oil engineers have said that they can start getting oil from offshore in about two years, which will be sooner than you think. In addition. if the Democrats eight years ago had gone ahead with drilling for oil in ANWAR and other places, as Bush wanted, we would have much lower prices now. As usual, the Democrats have it wrong on almost everything you can think of and really do want America to have a lower standard of living.

Obama says it’s OK to use WMD against Pakistan to kill Osama Bin Laden.
But if our military captures him, he deserves full protection of the US constitution.
What if he isn’t read his miranda rights? Do we let him go?
What if the evidence that we have to demonstrate to the court why he deserves to be held would jeopardize the ongoing intelligence gathering on those terrorists not yet captured?
Do we let him go or do we give a heads up to the enemy.
Obama is cleary a lightweight.
This is heavily damaging stuff. He is a dope.

Yeah well the Supreme Court got it wrong and so does Obama. Let’s not forget we were attacked by foreign terrorists. Hillary has never forgotten 9/11 and would handle this much better than Obama. Hopes the rumors true that Obama offered her the VP spot in the “secret meeting” and that she said “No Thanks” and that she will be keeping her delegates. By the way someone please tell Obama it’s MichiGander not Michiander. Michigan tires of his disregard towards us. We don’t need any more visits. JustSayNoDeal.com

Tim, I’m sorry you got so upset that I called you a Republican. I don’t blame you though because those guys are notorious, deceitful misrepresenters.
Ray, for your information “speculators” are part of the free market system. Historic, they are blamed by govt when govt schemes don’t work out. Besides, I had thought that Iraqi oil was supposed to solve all of our supply problems? At least that’s what BushCo said.

What NoTrust? You didn’t know that ol John threw America under the buss his third day as a prisoner in Nam by telling them everything they wanted to know? Then he pitched his first family under the buss so he could get with the young RICH new one. Yep, ol John married Cindy a month after dumping Carol. And then there’s his old religious gang, who probably won’t forgive him. Naaa, ol John has thrown a lot more under the bus than young Barack.

The issue of Habeas corpus is not simply giving “Righs to terrorists”. It’s enacting DUE process where there has so far been almost NO PROCESS.
George F. Will said it best:
“The purpose of a writ of habeas corpus is to cause a government to release a prisoner or show through due process why the prisoner should be held. Of Guantanamo’s approximately 270 detainees, many certainly are dangerous “enemy combatants.” Some probably are not. None will be released by the court’s decision, which does not even guarantee a right to a hearing. Rather, it guarantees only a right to request a hearing. Courts retain considerable discretion regarding such requests.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/16/AR2008061602041.html
tThose who complain about the fact that a terrorist is being given “rights’ seem terribly afraid of a mere legal hearing!
those who think that the Constitution doesn’t protect foreign terrorists should also know that the same document doesn’t protect the Executive branch from invading other nations, taking prisoners on someone’s say-so, detaining them under their authority indefinitely in ANOTHER DIFFERENT foreign country, without ever charging them of anything.
If they are terrorists, then go ahead , try them, and CONVICT THEM!!!! What’s STOPPING THEM??

I would love to ABC’s coverage of the Constitutional Convention: “James Madison Admits Benedict Arnold Would Have Habeas Corpus Rights!!!!” etc. etc.
Where’s the “McCain To Lock Up Innocents for Four More Years With No Hearing” headline? You know, for balance? Unlike this Bin Laden demagoguery it concerns people who are actually at Guantanamo right now.

For God sake, what is your malfunction Obama?

Razz- the more important question is not whether OSAMA has rights, but whether the EXECUTIVE BRANCH has the right in our constitution to detain indefinitely.whomever without ever charging them with anything.
IF they are guilty, then CHARGE THEM and CONVICT THEM!!!!
What have they been waiting for????

Amen ZZ…I thought your post was so right on that it needed to be reposted for all those Obama supporters who remain clueless as Constitution and Geneva Convention rights are (we should get rid of the Geneva Convention rights due to lack of interest of our enemies for every behaving humanly with our captured soldiers.)
Bin Laden has no rights under the Geneva Convention. He is not a soldier of some nation’s army. He is a terrorist. I can hardly believe how ignorant some people are. He has no rights under the Constitution. He is no citizen under it. The Supreme Court may rule any thing they wish but that doesn’t make them right and they are constantly wrong. Wake up people or we will destroy ourselves with all of this idiotic thinking

The Commander Guy:
You don’t get the point!
Allowing Bin Laden to have a
trial would give him a Forum to spout
his anti-american, anti-west, propaganda
and create more recruits for Al Queda!
This was a bad Supreme Court Decision and I’m sure there are other cases that can be taken to the Supremes to get it
Reversed!

Osama bin laden does not deserve to go to Gitamo, everyone forgets what happened when those twin towers came down, and the Pentagon, and Shanksville which i live close to, Americans forget the people that died, innocent people.If Obama becomes President, i am moving to Canada. Osama is a hero to the people of Pakistan and the radical muslim world. Wake up people, everyone has scales on their eyes. God help the USA.

Didn’t BHO chastise Bush to bomb Bin Laden wherever he may be? Now he and his campaign are talking about Bin Laden’s rights. What a turnabout in a few short months!?!? BHO said before he wants to meet with terrorist leaders and those who hate us, but meeting with Bin Laden is the wrong direction to take. Maybe BHC’s thinking he can negotiate with Bin Laden to pay the clean-up costs of 9/11, and then we can all be friends, but even Saudis fear this guy. It’s becoming clearer by each day that McCain is more prepared to lead in the area of foreign policy and will support the values and concerns of the US voters.

PK – I am NOT a retard. That was just rude & shows that you are immature if you must resort to name-calling. I actually have a “gifted” IQ. I know how to make a point WITHOUT acting out. I HAVE read the constitution. OBL isn’t even on US soil – therefore, he has NO rights here. You do realize that our constitution has no authority outside of our borders, don’t you? Or don’t you realized that other countries have their own constitutions & their own laws that take precedence in their land? I have studied the Geneva convention – and guess what – he’s NOT in custody. His butt needs to be blown to smithereens BEFORE any of those rights ever go into effect.

The terrorists who bombed the World trade Center the first time, was captured, and put on trial, and put in jail, all using our laws, and our Constitution. Everyone knows that!
Barack Obama has said this in an interview yesterday: “First of all, I think there is an executive order out on Osama bin Laden’s head,” Obama said at a news conference. “And if I’m president, and we have the opportunity to capture him, we may not be able to capture him alive.” That means that Barack Obama has no hesitency in killing Bin Laden!
IF for wahtever reason Bin Laden was captured, Bin Laden said that “What would be important would be for us to do it in a way that allows the entire world to understand the murderous acts that he’s engaged in and not to make him into a martyr, and to assure that the United States government is abiding by basic conventions that would strengthen our hand in the broader battle against terrorism,”
The point is that there is ample evidence to convict Bin Laden, and execute him using our laws, and our constitution, and while Barack Obama wants Bin laden Killed rather than captured, if captured there is NO doubt that there is so much eveidence against him that Bin Laden would be convicted, and put in a military prison and even executed.
England has used their own constitution, and laws to successfully prosecute terrorists who have attacked their country, we can do the same thing here.

LIKE OBAMA’S ADVISER SAID ABOVE: The Al Qaeda leader’s rights was UNLIKELY to arise because “there is an outstanding shoot-to-kill order with respect to BIN LADEN.”
The Obama advisers ADDED that this reading of Bin Laden’s rights, (which was established by last week’s Supreme Court ruling and would be binding on the next president NO MATTER WHO WINS in November), DOES NOT mean that the man who claims credit for the 9/11 terrorist attacks would be released.
The Fact is: if Bin Laden were granted a Habeas hearing before a federal court “the judge WOULD DISMISS IT” and rule THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS AMPLE GROUNDS TO HOLD HIM.”
“I have NO doubt that there would be NO problem establishing a basis, an evidentiary basis, to hold him and try him,” said Craig, referring to Bin Laden. “And HOLD HIM RESPONSIBLE for murdering 3,000 people.”
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT Barack Obama wants to first “Shoot to Kill”, and then if Bin Laden is not killed but instead captured, USE THE AMPLE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE THE USA HAS TO CONVICT BIN LADEN, PUT HIM IN A MILITARY JAIL, AND EXECUTE HIM, USING THE LAWS OF THE USA.
England has used their own constitution, and laws to successfully prosecute terrorists who have attacked their country, we can do the same thing here.

And if he’s convicted by a jury of his peers, 50 lashes with a wet noodle.

The goal is to “kill or capture” OBL. If we find out where he is and he’s killed in the strike like Zarqawi or Saddam’s sons then oh well. But if we catch him, then there is a trial and then he’s put to death or imprisoned. That’s how things work here and it’s what separates us from third world oppressive regimes where people (good and bad) simply disappear. It worked after WW2 with Nazi war criminals who killed millions of people. Why not now?

What the republicans are complaining abot the supreme court gave bin laden rights to habeas corpus. it seem to me you have to be imprisoned to get those rights and under the republicans bin laden will never be captured. So we don’t have to worry about giving bin laden those rights.

All of you thinking that Osama Bin Laden has no rights because he’s not an American Citizen… I hope you hope you get a taste of this and get thrown into jail with this logic and accused of not being an American Citizen and thus have no rights.
As your rotting in jail and saying “But I’m an American Citizen, I have rights.” Guess what???? You won’t have the right of Habeus Corpus to go to court to prove it!!! So you’ll just rot in jail….
So be careful what you ask for…
Because protecting the rights of non-citizens actually protects our rights!!!

The terrorists who bombed the World trade Center the first time, was captured, and put on trial, and put in jail, all using our laws, and our Constitution. Everyone knows that!
Barack Obama has said this in an interview yesterday: “First of all, I think there is an executive order out on Osama bin Laden’s head,” Barack Obama said at a news conference. “And if I’m president, and we have the opportunity to capture him, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CAPTURE HIM ALIVE.” That means that Barack Obama has no hesitency in killing Bin Laden!
IF for whatever reason Bin Laden was captured, Barack Obama said that:
“What would be important would be for us to do it in a way that allows the entire world to understand the murderous acts that he’s engaged in and not to make him into a martyr, and to assure that the United States government is abiding by basic conventions that would strengthen our hand in the broader battle against terrorism,”
The point is that there is AMPLE evidence to CONVICT Bin Laden, and EXECUTE Bin Laden using our laws, and our constitution, and while Barack Obama WANTS Bin laden KILLED rather than captured, if captured there is NO doubt that there is so much evidence against Bin Laden that he would be convicted, and put in a military prison and then executed.
England has used their own constitution, and laws to successfully prosecute terrorists who have attacked their country, we can do the same thing here.

Would someone from the DNC or the media please continue to investigate Senator
Obama. Sentor Obama needs vetting. Senator Clinton was the only candidate ready to serve the post of President of the United States.
If you would think of this as a job interview: Democrats should all run from Obama
His resume has no substance Referrals and past co workers consists of racist, Anti American pastors and criminals such as Rezko. His co worker was William Ayers, a domestic terrorist
Please for the sake of our country, read about this man.
His name alone speaks volumes:
Barack Hussein Obama What do Americans expect to hear from Sen. Obama “Yes I think like Wright. I knew that Ayers was a terrorist. I have Muslims in my family.”
He’ll lie about everything and throw everyone under the bus, including his
church, his white grandmother, his Muslim followers. (check out the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan had 20,000 muslims meeting in Chicago a few months ago to support Obama.
It’s scary.
Obama is a deceptive politician, ignoring voices of the voters, practicing unfair voting tactics. He is for Obama only.
Stop with the “he’s cool” ideas and think! Investigate. For the sake of our
country, this is serious.

Giving OBL and his followers a day in court is a matter of principles, that shows the US is a country of law and order and separates us from the lawless and hateful terrorists. That’s why the German generals were on trial after the WW2. The US, of course, could just shoot them at the end of the war for the crimes they committed against humanity. We chose not to do so for very good reasons that make us the free world leader afterward.

Seems with all the problems facing the voters this year, that the OBama camp could find something a little closer to home to talk about. ——- Seems to me the Obama people and the DNC don’t quite have their priorities in good order just yet. ——- For Obama to ignore the problems in America and worry about the legal rights of terrorist, should show most everyone Obama’s main worries.

Why do some of you people hate the US Constitution so much? Guess you really don’t trust that our founding fathers were right…or that the American system is better than any other on Earth. Know what that makes you? ANTI-AMERICAN. This isn’t a football game, people. Maybe you – and Bush and Cheney and McCain – should all move to North Korea or Myanmar and be happy.

Obama is not a Christian. He is trying to decieve people into thinking he is…. He does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior… What does he base his values on??? Abortion, same sex marriage, etc………

…but, wait…before extending Habeas Corpus rights…can Obama catch Osama?

Did Oprahma ever serve in the military? If not, why not? Odd that issue never seems to surface. After reading some of the posts here; one thing is certain. We are in deep, deep trouble. People think we are on ‘the wrong track’ post Oprahma? If he is elected, I want to be anywhere else…going soft on osama bin laden? That is just plain unAmerican. He is old news, not worthy of martyrdom. Let’s just string him up for what he did and then GIGGLED about it in that ratnest cave of his. That is the vision of that loser I shall never forget. Giggling in that cave after those towers went down….may he burn in hell.

Obama’s Career? surely you jest. His vast amount of present votes, when he does show up for work. His running for Office.
Obama’s Poltical work record and career suck to put it mildly.
Black Liberation Theology is Black Panthers using a front as a church.
It was started 30 years ago. Now knowing that is what obama has been drilled into his brain, heart and mind for over 20 years.
http://www.culturekitchen.com/liza/blog/james_cone_on_black_liberation_theology