Obama Campaign Clarifies “Martyr” Comments on OBL

Why can’t Obama say what he means? You would think people would get sick and tired of trying to disect every vague phase or word he uses to make a point.
I never saw such dancing around sentences let alone issues, as Obama.
Tired of Obama’s stumbling and fumbling with words. It sure takes a long time for him to form a sentence in a direct and straight manner; without a script (of course).
. . .AH-AH–ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND–what’s with that!!!!!!
WHERE’S HILLARY!!!!

after the deal with the ladies dressed in the muslim scarfs, and now today this,
my sixteen year old daughter,with a chuckle,said
“it seems to me obama has to clarify, or apologize to someone every other day”
i was driving the car, i nodded my head, we giggled, and continued our drive.
i think my sixteen year old is right.

its funny that if he didnt respond you all would run amuck and john mccain would continue to take and twist every word that obama ever has said to benefit mccian, and paint obama into whatever mccain saw fit.
he has to clarify and make sure mccain continues his straight talk…
its funny that your daughter doesnt say
wow mccain changes his policies every other week… because mccain changes his POLICIES every week

Help me out here. Did the Supreme Court not just rule AGAINST a Nuremberg type proceeding?
And did Obama not just support the court?
And did he just clarify by using a Nuremberg template?
HUhhhhh? Sounds like he makes it up based on the day or question

Is it just me or does anyone else feel twisted like a pretzel after trying to decipher Obama’s statements?

Just you. Your the only one that feels like a pretzel. Why? Because the rest of us can understand what we read.

Obama is right. USA should try to get the high ground back. The Republicans have bullied and controlled the agenda for that last 7 years. They get the benefits of A failed Mideast policy that they should be accredited with in November. I agree with comments. Bin Laden should be afforded more then he gave the victims of 9/11. dying is to easy. Put him in confinement reminding him daily that he lost against the greatest country in the world.

Some people are really really dumb.
Sigh.
It’s not that hard to follow what Barack Obama is trying to say. OBVIOUSLY, Osama’s death in the hands of Americans would cause great anger from people supporting Bin Laden. It might spurn them to unleash more anger towards Americans, kill Americans abroad and make their hate towards us grow.
I personally do not think that scumbag deserves to have a painless death OR to live after he has killed so many people. Both options would be way too easy on Bin Laden.
The only reason that Obama has to clarify everything he says is because everybody and their mothers seem to want to challenge every word he says. I know it’s natural because he is running for President… but it’s not because he stumbles over words or doesn’t know what to say… it’s because he has to dumb it down for everybody else to understand.
I wish people would just get over their own personal bias and united for the same cause.

There’s no pretzel here. He said it’s important that the world, and expecially Al Qaeda sympathizers, see due process done so they can’t bang the drum of martyrdom. He did not rule out capital punishment at the end of that, and in fact said it would be appropriate. What’s so hard about that? Obama is perfectly clear. I don’t know whether people here can’t read

Yep keep asking for respect then call us bots, a cult, latte sippin elitist, um you know if you want respect you should show some. Also Hillary would not win without our 18 millon votes either. Goes both ways. so why don’t we all grow up and work on one goal of gettind a dem in the WH.
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Do your part to bring the party together and petition for Hillary on the ticket. She’s doing her part, give supporters a reason to get on board.

What? Do you mean to tell me that America’s back? For those of you who don’t understand what it means to take the moral high ground, offering a public trial even for people who will certainly be condemned to death, check out the movie about the Nuremburg trials. It’s in black and white, but the pride you feel for your country while watching it is immense. Even those who don’t like us look at such things and are unable to deny that there’s something special about the American spirit.

The RIGHT to a FAIR Trial is the right for every American and any prisoner captured by the US and prisoner kept on US property…..
We have these laws in place to remove bias, hate, racism and fear from a scentencing or conviction…
Saddam Hussein was given a trial, then hanged….

“If he were to be tried, as many posters noted, it will be in military court as a combatant. How exactly do you think that will be portrayed in the Middle East?”
I think we have to be at war for it to be considered for military court or as a combantant. Considering that neither is true, we HAVE to use DUE PROCESS, just like any other person who blows up a building in this country.

“Death, is not a penalty! Think about that!”
Great. On the next American Idol series, let’s make sure the runner-up knows that after Simon lops his head off for the cameras.
The DNC is cringing over this one. Any savvy politician knows it is a third rail and avoids it. Hypotheticals that lift up the terrorists as victims of American actions or justice only serve to convince the voters that Obama and his supporters are really the creepy people the right believes they are.
An issue like this is the difference between winning the White House and having to sit in the last row at Yankee stadium wearing dark glasses so no one will recognize you.

There is zero chance I will vote for Obama but do we really need to be wasting time trying to mitpick statements like this? Not that the Obama camp is any better but this kind of silly bickering is pointless.

“I think we have to be at war for it to be considered for military court or as a combantant.”
Have you been on a long journey to Jupiter for the last seven years? In case you missed the memo, we are at war with alQaeda. Unfortunately, we sat back and did nothing while that was used to justify the invasion of Iraq.
America elected him twice. Drop the self-righteous crap. As Colin Powell said, “You break it, you own it.”
This isn’t a Republican or Democratic war any more. It’s an American war. Figuring out how to handle our role now is an issue. Trying to call it something other than it is to defend nutty positions isn’t.

Does Obama have any common sense? He’s always “clarifying” himself because what he initially says makes him sound ignorant. It’s pretty simple that not to make someone a Martyr involves not killing them.

Why do so many people continue to think oil prices are tied to “Bush and his cronies – the oil companies greed!!!”???
From today’s CNNMoney story – “Oil prices sank nearly $5 on Thursday after China said it would raise gas prices by lifting subsidies that have been blamed for driving oil prices higher. The move could curb demand from the country’s rapidly growing economy.”
PLEASE try to grasp the basic fundamentals of the world economy!!!

I can see it now…OBL walks away scott free after scoring a legal technicality during his court date. After all, he deserves the same rights as Americans right? Who can I thank if that happens?

This is yet another hypothetical issue. The chances of anyone catching a single individual like Bin Laden and putting him on trial are almost zero.

hmmm…interesting scenario. How could anyone be sure?

“Help me out here. Did the Supreme Court not just rule AGAINST a Nuremberg type proceeding?”
No. The Supreme Court struck down “trials” where detainees had no lawyers, were not charged with crimes, could not call witnesses, could not cross examine gov’t witnesses (the gov’t called no witnesses), could not see the evidence against them, and if they were found innocent, the gov’t held a do-over. They were called the CSRTs, and they resembled Stalinist show trials more than Nuremberg. (These are NOT the same thing as the Military Commissions of the high level terrorism suspects–those are inadequate too, but not as much of a complete joke as CSRTs.) At Nuremberg, there were lawyers, at witnesses, and evidence, and cross examination. The overwhelming majority of people in GTMO have never had any process remotely resembling this, & the Bush administration had no plans to ever charge them. You are repeating GOP talking points without the faintest clue what you are talking about.

J Newcomb…
Can you get that quote that democrats believe all terrorism will end with the capture of Bin please????
We were attacked my friend by Bin and his crew. They declared war on us. But we keep declaring victory because they take a month or two off. We said we will go where ever they hide. Well? Why didn’t we go into Pakistan???? Because they have WMD!!! This was yet another hint for our people to realize the Iraq information was false. We have the technology and ability to celebrate the capture of Saddam for the killing of HIS OWN people, but we don’t have the same drive for going after a man who was responsible for killing OUR PEOPLE???? Remember it took them OVER 10 yrs of planning for the 9/11 attack.
We are coming up on 7 yrs my friend.
Do you want to sit idle and wait 3 more years out and see what happens?
The suffering that our military and their families are dealing with along with the LACK OF SUPPORT from this administration…. LACK OF SUPPORT from a veteran who believes in toture, who refuses benefits unless you meet are involved in combat (because that is what it is coming to I promise you)… deserve much better.

Re “uncledaddy”
I thought you might be a Rhodes Scholar
in hiding.

Has Barry yet spelled out just what he will do to stop the terrorists before he gets a chance to put them on trial?
Seems to be a bit of a disconnect here.
A small change two bit politician (Barry) from the streets of Chicago probably doesn’t understand that he needs to have a large scale plan. Combining that with his obvious radcialism is dangerous.
More dangerous than anything Bush has ever done.
Bush hired people that had been there before, Barry doesn’t seem to get that that should be what he needs to be doing. I see fringe characters and nuts in his circle.
GRAVITAS. GRAVITAS.

If our current policy is not working, and most nations don’t like us, why then have there been fewer terrorist attacks on our soil during Bush’s term than Clinton’s?
If they dislike us why do so many want our business, invest in our country, immigrate both legally and illegally. So we are so arrogant that we provide freedom to millions of people who want a better life, one where they do not get stopped by police on their way to vote, one where if you do not bribe the local government they shut down your business. One where they get to express their religious beliefs (except if they are standing behind the Democrats nominee)
I like most of my veteran brothers and sister believe that diplomacy first, second and third, when all has failed war, but let it be ruthless and effective. This is one of the painful lessons McCain learned in Vietnam(a war brought to you by the Democrats) and I have sadly seen that when Barack Obama has commented about our service members he is very nonchalant and glib. The more he who’s his true colors the more and more I distrust him to represent the American values I hold dear to my heart, and have sworn to uphold in oath.
But because our enemy does not give in we should just pack up and go home give up the fight.
9/11 happened on Bush’s watch but the planning and opportunity to stop it happened under Clinton’s ever so vigilant eye, oh wait he was to busy with cigars, interns, impeachment proceeding, and his wife own financial woes. To take care of the hardest job on the planet.

You make martyrs when you allow your commitment to principles of justice to be distorted. A perfect example is Guantanamo Bay. This whole, “we don’t care what anyone thinks” attitude of Bush and McCain makes martyrs. If we handled those prisoners well then they would not be martyrs. That is, it would be less effective for Islamist demagogues to invoke them in their rhetoric.
The McCain camp is just doing the typical rightwing thing and looking for an angle to attack from, but I think Obama’s got the edge in this debate. His position makes sense. If we had pursued it from the start in going after bin Laden our standing would be a lot better. Even if we had killed bin Laden trying to capture him we would have had many open trials to show the world that we were acting in accordance with our principles of justice.
The Bush administration has not acted in accordance with any kind of principle but the Nixon principle. If we do it, it’s justice. That’s a dangerously authoritarian attitude to have. Of a recent 5-4 Supreme Court decision upholding the principal principle of justice, habeas corpus, McCain said it was one of the worst in the Court’s history. Upholding habeas corpus is really that bad? We’ve had 8 years of a dull minded, theocratic, authoritarian. We don’t need to follow on that with a short-tempered authoritarian that has neocon advisers whispering in his ear when he can’t keep his facts straight.