Obama-Clinton Smiley Time Scheduled Even While Tensions Simmer Between Rival Camps

One book and her debt is gone 10 speeches by Bill and it has a big dent put in it.

The more I see and hear of obama the more I give and work for McCain.
Hillary must become an independent and ditch this scumbag Dem party.
BO supporters are toxic! I am sure they will be on hand to BOO and RIOT!

A lot of talk about Hillary as a poor loser, how about Obama being a poor winner. I would look more favorably on him if he wasn’t going out of his way to rub her nose in her loss.

Shame Barack has to bail Hillary out.
Even worse is he’ll probably be asking his supporters to bail her out.
She’s loaded. She’s the one who kept on going farther and farther into debt. she could pay the $30 million and she’d still have millions in the bank. How much does one person need? (I realize her house in NH costs more to maintain each year than ours cost to buy, but seriously)
Hillary had the “I’ll just keep spending and everyone else can pay for it when I’m done” mentality.
Glad this is not our President.

Rub her nose it it? She stepped in it by running up a debt. She’s about to be sued by a Penn school board if she doesn’t make good on an outstanding $3000 bill.
How is Clinton running up a tab Obama’s problem at all? Personally, I think she should pay her own debt… or work if off out on the campaign trail.

He needs the money he has. He outspent her four to one and couldn’t beat her in popular votes. Hillary has 18 million supporters who aren’t very happy about voting for him and only need a little push to go red and stay red.
Red wins when blue bluffs.

Thinking,
That’s why Clinton supporters want McCain to win.

Len if obama needs the money he has…why is he telling all the dem 527′s they need to deband…Moveon just closed their 527.
Obama will do the right thing obviously…(even though you all have to admit that is pretty gracious to help raise 20 million dollars to pay off debt that was spent trying to hurt him)…
but she knows and he knows the issues have to come first.
Then the crazy debt.

Democratic Party is a big mess. Just talkers, no doers.
Sen McCain-08

Sorry, but why should Obama bail Hil’ out? If he was going to use public finance for his campaign, sure, that’s democratic party money, but he’s using using money privately donated specifically to him! Didn’t we just witness about 2 months of her shouting “don’t tell me when to quit the campaign!” Guess what. You’re broke now, and you should have listened.

Obama ran a grass roots campaign aimed at making his supporters hate the Clintons. The hate is there, it is real, and it is permanent. His supporters probably hate Hillary more than McCain. When it comes to paying off her campaign debt, his supporters all want stick the knife in one more time.
Hillary will probably not benefit much from helping Obama. Obama will use Hillary if he can, but he will try to do so without giving up anything.
Hillary needs to play hardball. She can give him token support, but she should not get to close. He is a toxic man, and so are his supporters.

Someone is sure trying to be a spoilsport about the Democratic momentum. Obama is rising in the polls with a high support among women in key states, and he’s going to blow McCain and the RNC out of the water with his campaign finances. Punditry can’t stop political tides.
Obama ’08

DON’T WRITE IN HILLARY’S NAME AS THE VOTE WILL BE CREDITED TO OBAMA THE DNC NOMINEE. for most states.

I bet Hil is still nausius from having to endorse Obama so he would pay off her debt. Now it looks like he is going to flip flop on this one too. What a class act.

Hillary who? This was a primary, folks, not a general election. If you fought for Hillary, you vote Democrat in November.

David H
From someone who volunteered for Hillary , Joe Biden and Obama back in NH.
Time to get past that.
Obama never once during the campaigning for a year in NH… or his staff for that matter said for anyone to do anything but overwhelmingly stay above the fray with Clinton…never to get personal.
That was repeated during the year long time in NH over and over.
I can not say the same for Clinton’s staff…or her campaign…especially after what happened in Iowa.
It was one (of many) reasons I switched to completely back Obama.
Obama supporters got mad when Clinton supporters did not do the same and started the “secrets” campaign and trying to push Rezko…when they were standing in the biggest glass “history of legal and lawsuit and scandal accusation” house in politics .
and while Obama himself said over and over we won’t go down that road…Obama supporters said enough.
Obama continued to tell his supporters to take the high road.
then Clinton supporters got more mad and it just got worse and worse.
Back and forth.
But the one thing I can tell you from someone who worded volunteering …knocking on doors…hearing them both speak and being around both campaigns…
is one thing Obama can not be accused of…is instigating the fight between Obama supporters and Clinton supporters…
and it’s all done now…
their are military people coming home (hopefully) who need us…their are children without healthcare, there are women being given smaller wages, there are villages in southeast asia who are waiting to see if we learned anything over the past 8 years as terrorist recruiting is going on in the next home.
We have a finite supply of oil in the world that has a chance of being used up before we get through 2 or 3 more generations…
We have a planet where politicians and people are still refusing to believe 98% of the experts who say we have global warming happening…
we have a debt to CHina that is getting larger and larger
and a military that is watching helplessly as all the sacrifice in Afghanistan goes up in smoke because we are stuck in a war that was a lie.
it is time to move on.

Obama canceling Hilary’s debt? I don’t know about that; afterall, she was the arrogant one who did not want to concede or lend her support prior to Obama prior to June. She was not a fighter; she was simply a spoiled little girl trying to get her way or else no way. She was that little girl who got upset and grabbed all her toys and went back home. “If I cannot play, then no one can play.” I think she should be left at the dumps along with her 18 million voters. If those 18 million do not have enough sense to get behind Obama — now that he’s the official nominee — then Obama can do much better without them.
Remember America, Hilary is all about herself and her ego and arrogance; she is not about statesmanship or statecraft or logic. She defies any logic, and moreover, she is a faker.
Obama, forget about her debt; she made her bed, now let her sleep on it.

Clinton supporters have presented a poor reflection upon Ms. Clinton herself. Most Obama supporters have been restrained and courteous and have tried to speak with logic and raise well informed policy issues. Just as vast a difference existed in the level of the campaign management.
Now the poorly-run campaign of Ms. Clinton dares to come begging for cash to pay off it’s debts. I will be watching for the Obama campaign’s response. Hillary and Bill are quite rich and deserve to pay their own campaign debts.

Obama supporters should keep their money as all of the new donations will automatically got th Hilly’s debt.
Be careful who you send money to, it may end up where you least expect it.

Just Wondering said “if there are Americans out there who will vote for someone who is diametrically opposed on all the major issues ….
**********
You presume too much.
Obama is a hard left radical ..
Hillary left of center..
McCain is right of center ..
Many of Hillary’s supporters have views that are closer to McCain’s than to Obama’s. They can go either way.

Len
one candidate is trying to disband 527′s and encourage people giving moneys to moveon to support him…to actually give it to the obama campaign.
Mccain won’t do that.
McCain needs the 527′s and all the other outside groups to throw out rumor and innuendo …and things that are the only things that can help him at this point.
so as much as you want to portray this as something bad that Obama did… it IS Obama that is trying to take the cr*p out of these campaigns…like the swiftboaters.
I do not see McCain telling these groups they should disband. In fact you bet your butt that his lobbyist chairs are meeting with those 527′s right now to make sure they go all out.
They can only win with a “swiftboat” campaign.

C’mon people – Hillary supporters! We can retire this debt if each of us goes to Hillaryclinton.com and contributes $10. You love Hillary, then free her. Do it today!
Posted by: geraldinehenrietta | Jun 20, 2008 2:52:59 PM
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No way let the DNC eat it, they earned it!

They can only win with a “swiftboat” campaign.
Posted by: dl | Jun 20, 2008 3:26:10 PM
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One can only PRAY!

Len, I’m looking to the future fine as a former Clinton supporter. I don’t want 4 more years of mcsimilarites, like a permanent tax relief for the rich and pandering to right wing elements. As far as a dream ticket goes, I doubt either one is that enthused about it. For one, it would prevent Hillary from running again in ’012. For another reason, those two would be a personality conflict from hell.

Is Obama for unity? How does anyone know what Obama is for? He told us he was for taking public financing and pledged to do it. Now he admits he was flat out lying about it.

It would be a little risky for Obama to campaign together with Hillary…
Hillary may upstage over Obama when they stand side by side and Hillary’s supporters may feel more bitter that Hillary would be Nominee other than Obama…

Mr. “Spare Change” Barak Obama ain’t give away No change; just change of position, change of character, change of memory, change of truth – no change for Hillary.

I’ve been reading posts (from several news sources)for some time now, and have seen Hillary Supporters admit to her mistakes or gaffes and own up. I watch and hear the Republicans rip McCain to shreds, but I have yet to see an Obama supporter disagree with one of his gaffes, lies, mistakes, associations, etc.. Not one of you have admitted that he did this wrong or that. As if you are totally blind to any truth you just automatically defend him and then pull in a well Hillary did this or McCain did that.Your making him out to be perfect. You are all in for a rude AWAKENING!

There are just a very few dreamers on this site who think that Obama can unify the party without Hillary. I’ve got news – He’s not going to unify the party with or without her. We’re so fed up with the DNC, Obama, and the party that we will be voting McCain in the fall.

That’s pretty true, True Truth.

It’s funny to me to see people from both sides get riled up over this non-story. Here’s the deal. It is commonplace for the winning candidate to help their opposition curb any debt they may have incurred during the election process. Obama was unable to accept the public financing option that he said he would because he has to run against McCain and the 527 BS. Public financing won’t give him the money he is going to need when they throw the kitchen sink at him. She will get her debt payed, but it may take awile seeing that Obama’s camp has to see how much they are going to need to beat McCain. Jake Tapper is really a trouble maker because he is really painting Obama with a bad brush. McCain is willing to accept the public financing because the 527′s will take care of everything else. He doesn’t need more money. If he needed the money, you are damn straight that he would turn down public financing and try to raise the money himself. I’m only 31 but what our media has resorted to in reporting the news is reprehensible. The death of Tim Russert also marked the death of the last bit of decency in journalism. I remember a time when politicians like these were respected and given the benefit of the doubt. Now crackpots like Jake Tapper (who ever the hell he is) can spin a story to mirror their views and people eat it up. Obama supporters are left to defend their candidate (who is not wrong in this instance) and McCain supporters will pounce and call Democrats liberal and niave. It’s sad really.

NYT March 2, 2007. “Senator John McCain joined Senator Barack Obama on Thursday in promising to accept a novel fund-raising truce if each man wins his party’s presidential nomination”
dl -please. The only liar here is Obama.
CNN can claim it doesn’t matter, but the voters will be told of Obama’s lack of character.

Jim
Obama said that with the idea that Mccain said he would like to see the 527 cr*p brought down.
Mccain’s camapgin made it very clear they were not about to “run around and reign in 527′s”
well if you are obama and you have a million and a half small donors… and the predominance of your campaign is built on REAL LIVE voters support….
and millions and unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo are going to come at you (and Mccain) from these groups…
I think it is a no brainer.
and who knew he could raise that much money from the actual voters when he signed that pledge…none of them did.

Obama is the poster boy for broken government.

geevil
one more time…McCain’s campaign came out and said they were not interested in running around and reigning in 527′s.
done deal.

Westcoastmessenger: Olbermann DID explain it. Yesterday’s show. And while he was at it he brought to light McCain’s total flip-flopping for months now about what he was going to do re financing his campaign. Obama’s got huge support. McCain doesn’t. Each did exactly what they needed to do to get the most money to support their candidacy. You people are just suffering from a bad case of sour grapes.

I’m not sure why it is expected that Obama or his supporters should retire her campaign debt. It was her choice to continue her campaign and run up her debt – it was a gamble that failed. Her continuation of the campaign also ate into Obama’s war chest. To me, anyone should be able to continue their campaign as long as they want. But if you expect your opponent to pay your bills at the end, why would you ever drop out?
Bishop is right, one book and she’ll pay it off.

I don’t think the money she lent to herself is part of the negotiations. TPM reported yesterday that she has explicited said that she doesnt expect to recover that money and that she considers that an investment.

and don’t be fooled
Mccain is losing evenif they were even in moneys…look at the numbers.
McCain wanted Obama to back out…that way he can say look I am taking only the public 87…when everybody knows the amount he could raise would only be minimally more than that. and now he doesn’t have to tell the 527′s they have to stop (because without them they don’t even have a snowballs chance and he knows that)…he can actually have a better chance letting the slime fly… and not have to reign anybody in.
so yuo all are being folled and not looking at the numbers again.

She should have bowed out gracefully and she would not have that debt. Those of you who want to vote for Mccain go ahead. Maybe you will be around to see us stay in Iraq for 100+ years. They call Obama an elistist but his policies supports the middle class and the poor and Mccain and his wealthy wife are strickly for big business. Mccain does not even want to help those Americans that were taken advantage of by the mortgage lenders. If you want the same then go with Mccain!!!!!!!

Ok Kat, but that is all fear mongering. You can’t predicate future events logically. You can speculate and then make a predicate of that, but the truth is, McCain hasn’t done any of that.
The main point is that creating a climate of fear around McCain won’t get it done. Obama was winning when he created a climate of hope but hope has to have a real possibility of being real. He can’t keep talking down workable policies for energy and substituting them with tales of innovation yet to come. He comes off like Goebbels talking about the superweapons that will save the reich two weeks before the soviets blitzed berlin.
There is no there in Obama. Lots and lots of money but no there. McCain will win if he picks the right running mate and keeps on message about solutions that the people understand and know will work.
Pissing off environmentalists never lost a major election. Telling the Americans they need to do with less has.
See Jimmy Carter.

WHY IS THE DNC HOLDING A GUN TO HILLARY’S HEAD AND TO THE HEAD OF HER SUPPORTERS TO SUPPORT OBAMA..
WE ALREADY SAID, WE DONT WANT OBAMA
P[LEASE SPARE HILLARY THE GRIEF.
TJ, THE CLINTONITE SAYING SUPERDELEGATES SUPERTHIEVES.

Previously, Obama used to bring a speech. Now he can bring broken promises, flip-flops on NAFTA, Iran, and Public Financing and Rezko, William Ayers, Rev. Wright etc.,
Politicians like Obama are a dime a dozen.

Obama can’t get his own mind to come together how does one expect he can get a party to come together, one day he says one thing the next day he says something different, what a great unifiter

Hillary’s campaign debt is hers and hers alone. Obama has no obligation to help pay it especially $11 million of the $22 Million owed are loans from her to the campaign. This is an issue that the media for some reason is pushing solely. The Clintons are very capable of paying off this debt from their own vast earning powers.
If some disgrunbled Clinton folks do not like the above, they can sit the election out. But, by doing so they will take themselves out of the political arena for four and possibly eight years. None of them will do that.
Expect some grumbling but then all will come together to defeat McCain and elect Obama.

Hillary is a big girl, she should pay her own debts. even though I don’t really care. Obama’s crying about a “clean race” because he doesn’t want anyone bringing up any of the crap in his life, including MO, Wright, Rezek, etc. I think McCain is too far left, but he’s the only option. I can’t believe any hard working American would vote for anyone who’s TOLD you they are going to raise your taxes. I, for one, think I pay too much and I see no reason for them to be increased to pay for someone else’s medical insurance, nor anything else that someone thinks the government (me) should be paying to them because they’re poor. I don’t believe in forced philanthropy.

One hand washes the other. If Hillary wants help on the $22 million she had better help Obama with his campaign. It’s as simple as that.

Jim – Well, yuo had better not vote for McCain either, then. He has been less honest in his campaign finances (and his policy flip-flops) than Obama. Apparently no on is perfect.

——Looming trouble for McCain on his thorniest issue; immigration? McCain held a low key late-night meeting with Hispanic leaders in Chicago on Wednesday, trying to retain the Hispanic vote for the GOP the fall by soothing fears over the heated immigration rhetoric constantly emanating from conservatives. McCain had caved to the Right by essentially adopting the enforcement-first policies of Romney and the Right Wing after months of standing behind his own more mild proposals that were shot down on Capitol Hill and loathed by GOP primary voters. McCain then stayed away from the hot button issue for months. Now he may have reversed course yet again. At the meeting, McCain told the Hispanic leaders that he would start work immediately – if elected – on a “fair” immigration reform bill apparently with few tweaks from his original Senate plan that was lambasted by conservatives as “amnesty.” ——
Right back at you. Neither one of them can keep all their promises. Let’s move on.

I wouldn’t help pay off her debt either. That money was spent on slandering him. Why on earth would he help her pay off that debt?

As a former moderate Democrat, I will be voting for John McCain in the fall. This is the 2nd time that I have walked away from the party. I voted for Ronald Reagan way back. No far left liberal, inexperienced liars for me.

Di, First I never said I was Voting for McCain. And more importantly your attacking McCain can not change the lack of strength and integrity of your candidate. I dont care who McCain is, Obama is still a crushing failure as a potential leader.

Obama lied because he is a liar and a phony.
Next.

Sure I can answer that.
Because Clinton voters are real working Americans. Not rich leftists or students without fiscal responsibility

No one needs to pay down the debt for HRC. She will write it off as a tax break on her next income tax filing…..No pity here!

So…even after it was blatantly clear to anyone living on Planet Reality that Clinton had a zero percent chance of winning this primary, she continued to run a slanderous, expensive campaign against her opponent. She funded this with her own cash, pouring millions into crafting messages that played into people’s bigotry and ignorance. Now she wants that very same opponent to help pay off the debt to bail her out. Insane.
If Hillary had the “right” to keep running, she also has the right to accept accountability for her enormous strategic blunders. Obama has already given her more than he owes her. One speech by Bill will put the money back in the already deep Clinton coffers.

I’m a Hillary supporter whom is waiting to see what who be the VP choice. Even if by a miracle she got the nod, I’m still not convinced I would vote for the ticket. Obama is a fake and a Flake of nature, yes a Flake not a Fluke.

Let her pay her own darn debt off. Who the heck needs her and her whiney financial contributors. Get lost already will ya?

obama knows that when he is not elected, hillary will stand up and say to everyone i told you so, and so he might be thinking about running again in 2012 even against her, so what he is doing is calculated to cut her down, and marginalize her in the future, unfortunately, he will never be elected, no experience, flip flopper like kerry, a left wing liberal who will never be accepted by the TWP who is going to vote him down, no one is saying the truth in the polls, a black man is not going to be elected by white america, and especially this guy, he is not like colin powell, who could probably do the walk, and get elected, but this guy is an empty suit with a golden mouth, typical

Mark… too many “Mark’s” in here lol. I’ll leave you with the name… just don’t shame it. In case there’s any confusion, I’ll be voting for McCain. Obama is too far in the Outer Limits for me.

It is customary that you help pay down the debts of another party member opponent. clintons’s have done if for other rivals and others have done it. For obama not to help would be the proverbial of pouring salt in a wound. It would not bode well for him in november.

Nic… then why are Democrats not extending the tax cut you already have??
Yeah.. believe it or not… it’s a cut.

There are many efforts going on right now to retire Hillary’s debts. Her supporters don’t want Obama paying for it because then he will think she owes him or that he owns her. It may take us awhile to raise the money, but we are working on it.

I think the author is ridiculous – another example of elite media out of touch. I will never support obama and I am an educated white male. It’s funny how the lily whitest of states and the darkest went for obama – but those with mixed races went for Clinton. Just goes to show that the racial divide is real and closing it takes more the empty rhetoric. I love how elite whites (esp. medi types) claim the uneducated voted for HRC…not so.
Move into the hood and go to the same places of worship THEN I WILL BELIEVE. Otherwise, I hope you rich white obama supporters get taxed to death.

I will never vote for Obama even if Hillary is on the ticket…and if she is as smart as I think she is, she will stay as far away from that empty suit! I heard on tv today from an Obama advisor that the personal tax income raise will START at $75,000.00!!! THAT FROM OBAMA ECONOMIC ADVISOR….NECESSARY TO RAISE TAXES..THE PEOPLE MAKING UNDER $75,000 ARE THE ONES WHO WILL STIMULATE THE ECONOMY AND THEREFORE , THEY NEED THE TAX BREAKS!!! THAT MEANS…A COUPLE MAKES $76,000 FROM TWO JOBS WILL BE HIT BY OBAMA’S TAX PROPOSAL!!!!THAT IS THE SICKEST CRAP I HAVE EVER HEARD!!!!!!!!11

Nic, the Dems vetoed it when they didn’t extend it… Repubs were outvoted on it.

Nic… you WILL pay more taxes if Obama is elected… how else will he pay for your medical insurance??? Remember this if and when it happens.

Maybe Obama could get some of his old pals from the past to help her out…Im sure they are still giving him money… with all they have given him it wouldn’t take long to get it paid off…..Come on Obama call a few of the pals to help Hillary out …Do something right for once in your life

I am an Obama supporter and I donate about $100 per month. I would not want one dollar of my money going to pay of the debt for Hillary. I feel that I would be financing all the divisiveness and mean spirited political rancor that she showed during the primaries. Besides, I prefer that my next donations go toward the general election.

michafaith, you seem to be a smart person but you’re still flogging this “popular vote” argument. what part of the math is tripping you up? the only way she won the “popular vote” is under the following remarkably creative scenario: 1) you disenfranchise FOUR states by not counting them (4 of the caucus states don’t capture total vote counts and 2) you count the communist ballot in Michigan in which HIllary was the only one on the ballot. as far as the “big states” are concerned, it’s those states in which the machinery of the establishment makes the most difference–the establishment that was entirely behind Senator Clinton when this started. but regardless, this wasn’t a vote to see who won 10 states, this was a vote for 50 states.

Hillary’s negatives were big to start with. Now a lot more democratic leaning people like both of the Clintons less. If Obama loses, they will blame her. There is no way she will be able to pull of a win in 2012 or 2016.

Save your money Jaye because Obama is not going to win anyway. Can’t you see what a hypocrite your candidate is? He has lied, flip flopped and resigned from his own church yet you Obamabots still have a purple kool-aid ring around your mouthes.
Only an idiot would cast a vote for Obama. You are no better than Republicans who blindly voted for Bush. I am a democrat but Obama stinks.

Olbermn3 writes “The only future, forget about the political phrase of energy independence, in energy is nuclear energy, if you intend to allow your grandchildren enjoying the same standard of living as you do.”
You need to go to New Mexico and other areas where that Uranium is mined and see the destruction and human suffering resulting from that mining. Then there are those millions of barrels of fossil fuel consumed in the mining and processing of that nuclear fuel. Oh yeah, don’t forget about the hundreds of thousands of years required to store the spent fuel. Yep, nuklear energy is the answer. With it, we will keep our standard of living for our chillen…except, nobody will be around to enjoy it because of another Chernobyl or a failure at Yucca Mountain, or a wind storm that blows the radioactive dust from the mining reagion to the east coast. Don’t get me wrong, nuclear energy does have a purpose…we need it to power our spaceships when we leave Earth ’cause we’ve polluted it so much.

If Obama loses to McCain he and supporters will blame Clinton.
If Obama wins but tanks as a president, he and supporters will blame Bush for the mess he left.
Someone other than Obama will always be blamed.

If Obama had lost the primary, would Hillary have paid off his campaign debt?

>>>algwriter | Jun 20, 2008 5:34:11 PM:
Well he hasn’t paid it yet, has he?????

yes algwriter, it’s done all the time. the media has only made it an issue against Hillary.

I wish Hillary would stay far far away from Obama.
A few more months of his lame Hope and Change gimic and people will be sick of hearing it.
With every broken promise and flip-flop, Obama begins to look like just an ordinary politician. When America wakes up and realizes Obama has deceived them I hope Hillary is far away.
Let Obama and the DNC sink together.

Riley -
If the DNC sinks so wil Hillary’s career. She’ll need the bam supporters as well. The only way for Hillary to ever advance from this point is to support Obama, and she knows it.

Why should Senator Obama help payoff her debt? She ran a terrible campaign and it’s mainly the fault of that idiot Mark Penn and her husband that she couldn’t keep under control. The Clintons have plenty of money, they don’t need their 11 million paid back to them. Just take the hit and write it off as a bad investment, which it was. And I definitely wouldn’t donate any money to pay Mark Penn. No way in hell.
And oh by the way, new poll out today from Newsweek and Senator Obama is leading McCain by 15 points.

eyes wide open—how do you shut your eyes to the states that HRC doesn’t count in that total? She did not count all the contests and you know this. When she was behind in the delegate count you all crowed how SD could vote for whomever they wanted, not caring if she STOLE the primary from Sen. Obama, well they did vote for who they wanted and your all acting like 3rd grade girls, very sad. Until she come clean, I say let her clean up her own mess. She kept going knowing she was doing nothing but wasting her supporters money and didn’t care!

David Brooks in the New York Times hit it right on the nail- there are two sides to Senator Obama and finally the media is revealing just how calculating of a politician he is beyond the new politics illusion his campaign has so aptly branded and sold to the American public.
He should just leave her alone and let her take a rest instead of making her go out and campaign for him. If I recall, he took plenty of R&R breaks during his campaign and he still looks tired. She has not had a break at all. He is so selfish. And if we judge him on his actual resume and experience- he is the weakest candidate in Modern Presidential History.

It’s hard already to put gas in my car. When I make an effort to donate for the campaign, it should be used for the campaign. HRC is wealthy enough to pay-off that debt. It would be an insult to us (the $10.00 donors) to ask us not only to support OBAMA’S campaign, but to also retire HRC debt. Last I read, HRC was worth well over $100 millions. For the records, my net worth as of today is -$900,000.00. Go figure

Posted by: roger2323 ,
Of course they are they keep doing it election after election. This should have been an easy election to win for the democrats. Once again they pick a losing proposition.

Posted by: ankouemo
That’s the difference with Obama supporters and Hillary supporters. We will send her money to pay down the debt because we believe in her. Tell me something if the roles were reversed, would you want Hillary to help pay down Obama’s debt?

Armydog–as much as I hate to admit it I think you are right.

armydog,
You’re so right. Hillary does need Obama’s supporters to keep her career alive as a Democrat. That so-called 25% (which is far from fact) will hurt her more than Obama. NY Dems are definitely not happy about the things she said towards the end of her campaign.
Most of the true Dems already came over to Obama any way. The only ones you hear screeching about now are those that are just clinging to their bitterness. They’ll get over it in due time.
Obama 08!

ankouemo,
“It’s hard already to put gas in my car. When I make an effort to donate for the campaign, it should be used for the campaign. HRC is wealthy enough to pay-off that debt. It would be an insult to us (the $10.00 donors) to ask us not only to support OBAMA’S campaign, but to also retire HRC debt. Last I read, HRC was worth well over $100 millions. For the records, my net worth as of today is -$900,000.00.”
I know that’s right! Same here. I’m actually holding off on another Obama campaign contribution until Hillary comes up with her own money to pay off her Clinton-affordable debt. Unfortunatly, every plan Clinton concocts seems to end up hurting Obama even amonst people who want to support him.
- She’s holding on to her delegates and now they can’t help him.
- She’s holding his monetary support hostage because we won’t pay to retire her debt.
- She stayed in the race long after it was over and divided the party with her words.
- She told the world that McCain was a better commander in chief than Obama.
With friends like Clinton, who needs…?
Obama 08!

lord of war,
“It is customary that you help pay down the debts of another party member opponent. clintons’s have done if for other rivals and others have done it.”
This is the new “frugile” and “wise” party dude. We ain’t paying for stuff just cause that what the Jones’ did.
Obama 08!

Obama should just pay her to go away…battling her has already shown to many Obama’s true colors.

Hillary should have launched an Independent run with Michael Bloomberg. He could have easily paid off her debt and the ticket would have been a true winner. It would have been great to make those Obamabots just shut up! I’ll be damned if I vote for Obama!

OUTSOURCE THE PRESIDENCY!
I’m done with all of them! I’ll never vote for either of the bozos who will apparently be our candidates (in spite of the fact that there’s been no convention on either side). I’m with Jenni when she says she wouldn’t vote for Bambi if he were running with her mother. I wouldn’t vote for him with Hillary on the ticket! And McCain? Holy raging nutcase? No thank you very much. truthfully, I’m even ticked off at Hillary. I didn’t quit on her– timewise or financially, but she sure as hell quit on me. She didn’t even have the courtesy to show a little righteous indignation about the entire mess. So…
OUTSOURCE THE PRESIDENCY!

why not to vote for Obama.He’s naive to think he can talk with leaders of terrorist exporting countries and organizations;Kennedys meeting with Krushchev was a disaster and almost resulted in nuclear war; he will raise taxes for anyone making over 75k, those he considers rich (check out Maria Bartiromo interview with O in January in Business week); he will punish business for making profits; he will raise the cap gains tax to over 25% affecting stock, mutual funds, and retirement investments; he will raise the top tax rate to 39%; he will cut the military budget while endangering our security; he will force alternative energy sources to be used thereby raising the cost of energy to the consumer; he wants to punish the oil industry which makes an average 10% profit which will drive up the cost of energy; he does not want additional drilling in ANWR or off our coasts-we need every drop. Cuba is planning on drilling 60 miles off the coast of Florida. How interested will they be in preserving our beaches. he does not have international experience;in the state senate he had 130+ ‘present’ votes; he has served a national office for only 3 years; his subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relation Committee which he chairs has not met since he took over. This committee overseas the Afganhistan campaign. he says he doesn;t take money from special interests for legislation when he does- he has taken money from corporations for special regulations for them ; he also heavily takes money from unions; he is heavily supported by MoveOn.org,DailyKos and George Soros. he want to set up an expensive healthcare system that will require major tax increases with no further benefits in care; he conducts and endorses smear campaigns against his opponents; and he is not trustworthy. He is the most liberal senator in the senate cannot unite his party and will not be interested in reaching across to the other side to get legislation passed for the good of the country as McCain will do. You’ve already seen how he has dealt with Joe Lieberman. But he is a good speaker for a college commencement.

LETS JUST HOPE MCCAIN WINS..

Let the Clinton’s pay for their own debts. After all, Bill gets millions for his so called “speaking engagements”!

Why don’t her “loyal” supporters bail her out?
Since they LOOOOVE her so much.

I hope Hillary stays as far away from Obama as is possible. He is toxic, a Chicago thug backed by a Madison Avenue campaign of hype and slogans that does everything possible to keep your intellect and your good judgment from leading you to a decision based on experience and past history of accomplishment, because he has none.
Clinton or McCain, country before party, it’s that easy for me and millions like me.
PUMA!

Obama’s all about “Not Doing Business As Usual In Washington”,…
But…he has former Clinton aides on his campaign staff. He has plenty of former “registered” lobbyists on his staff. His ten largest bundlers are “billionaires”.
His most sought after endorsements came from the oldest dynasties in Washington..e.g., Kennedy, Byrd, Kerry
If he picks an outsider for VP, that will make TWO people with little national experience. If he picks Biden, Richardson, Edwards…he bites the bullet of “Washington As Usual”, and shows hypocrisy.
Nafta..tell the voters one thing while advisor tells Canadian Rep another.
Iraq War..tell voters one thing while assuring Iraqi Gov. something else.
FISA…Obama comes out in support of this bill giving tele corps immunity.
Public Financing…Obama breaks pledge. It’s fine for his supporters to run up credit card debt, which ultimately falls back on the very taxpayers he says he’s protecting. We all know the reason he’s opting out of public financing…if he can’t “buy” the election, he hasn’t a chance. The only chance he had against Hillary was to outspend her, and to block all voters from voting. He’s quite the illegitimate nominee.
Obama says Robert Gates will be asked to stay on for awhile. You all can forget ending the Iraq war anytime soon.
Hillary played such softball with Obama…she had to. I can’t believe all the Obama supporters think Hillary was tough on him. Obama injected race early on…which was brilliant, because he solidified the AA support, and he never had to work for their votes afterwards. He also wouldn’t allow many of them behind the podium when he spoke… A little like the muslim women he mistreated.
John Edwards stated that Obama had now taken more money from drug co.’s than any other candidate. He’s also taken more from oil co. execs. Obama wasn’t able to refute any of these claims in the debate. Don’t believe him when he says “no special interest” influence.
It seems Obama has been groomed for higher office, but didn’t do the work. In Il. Senate, Emil Jones padded Obama’s resume’ by placing Obama’s name on pieces of legislation Obama hadn’t actually worked on. Obama was the most absent Senator in the Senate, which explains all his “present” votes. In the US Senate, Obama also missed many votes. While he and Hillary were campaigning, Hillary made it back to the Senate more than John or Barack in order to do her Senate work.
What do Obama’s supporters think about Obama for using procedural shenanigans while running for the Il Senate seat to block all other candidates from having their names on the ballot so he could run uncontested.
I don’t understand how Obama’s phoniness isn’t transparent to most. He seems to lack compassion or passion for real peoples’ concerns, but I do see passion in him for winning at all costs.
kmb08

Clintonistas don’t care anything about the country…they just want revenge for their bruised EGOS!

Yes He should have to help pay back some of her debt..after all he got to repeat all her anwers to the questions at the debates.

Where r her 18 million voters? huh? I thought they would bail her out? Oh! they left too? No. Obama should stay away from HRC. She is toxic and ugly as a human being. Good she lost and hope she stays away. It has been a good few weeks now that she has left the scene. she will have a primary challenger in NY. I promise you that.

>>> anus | Jun 21, 2008 12:27:55 AM:
” she will have a primary challenger in NY. I promise you that.”
Would that candidate be thee?
Are your promises more dependable than B O’s?
Be sure to bring along T P…..

totally disagree with Anu. The race has become boring and drab since the Great Senator Clinton is no longer running. She is a much better person than he could ever hope to be. She didn’t attend a church that preaches hatred and racism for 20 years as Obama and his wife did. He’s bad news for the Democratic Party and the country. Wait until see what the Republicans have to make public in the 11th hour. He will be toast. Since she won his district in Illinois during the primary I doubt that he will be able to even be re-elected for his Senate seat.

Since Hillary can’t manage her own campaign funding I’m glad she’s not going to be managing the federal deficit. Most of her eighteen million supporters out there who should’ve been able to put up a few bucks to help her out, have either got their hands in their pockets, or decided that she’s not worth the trouble. Otherwise, she wouldn’t be laying low with her hand out. It’s doubtful that Obama’s camp and the DNC think she’s worth the trouble either but they still have to figure out a way for “their supporters” to cover “her loss” and “their backs”. In the “mean”time you can bet they’re going to make her crow for it between now and payday.

“It’s funny how Obama always brings up racism, but according to him, it’s his opponents that are racists.”
Yeah. Why is he talking about things that don’t exist? It’s also funny how Obama keeps bringing up the war in Iraq? Everybody knows we’re not really at war. Who’s he trying to fool.

“What do Obama’s supporters think about Obama for using procedural shenanigans while running for the Il Senate seat to block all other candidates from having their names on the ballot so he could run uncontested.”
Are you suggesting that Obama should have sat back and allowed an illegal election process? You can’t kick somebody off the ballot UNLESS there is a valid reason.
Elementary!
Obama 08!

Clinton has enough money to pay off her own debt. Obama is just as guilty as her in dividing the party and I say let them go their separate ways.
Obama’s supporters say they don’t want her help or her supporters and we will be proud not to give it during the election, let him lose on his own.
You leftist wanted this division, now live with it. No democrat in the Whitehouse next year.

Tradition has been the winner in the primary usually pays off the debt of the losers but, this has not been the usual primary.
Obama’s supporters don’t want her supporters help in this election and I say fine, I won’t help elect him. The leftist in this party can have the party as far I am concerned, I have washed myself of this party for good.
The days of the two party system are about to end in this country. It is time for a third Independent party candidate to step up to the plate and bring some sanity to the election process.

Obama supporters should keep their money as all of the new donations will automatically go to Hillary’s debt.
Be careful who you send money to, it may end up where you least expect it.

If Obama can’t reach across the isle in his own party, how can he reach across the isle as president?

Clinton’s Debt is Clinton’s folly!! Let her look after it herself. She stayed in a losing race for weeks burning up red ink. She should now deal with her own mess. You don’t see Mit Romney walking around with hat in hat begging for help.
Get some pride and move on already!

Obama can’t pay off her debt! Where do Hillary supporters get off thinking that Obama supporters (via email solicitation from Obama) would send a check to HILLARY”S campaign fund to retire her mismanaged debt? It is absurdity at its worst. Hillary’s supporters will need to come up with the money, and shouldn’t this be natural? You run up debt, especially in places like Puerto Rico, who’s people cannot even vote in the National Election? What a waste of Hillary supporter’s money! I’ll be d@mmed if I’m going to send one dime to Hillary that will go to Mark Penn. Her advisers were grossly overpaid. I would also like to say that any money that we Obama supporters send to HIS campaign right now will NOT and can NOT legally be used to pay off her debt. You don’t need to worry about that, because it is not legally possible to transfer funds that way. Please remember this!

“John” we understand that obama can not use his funds to pay off clinotons debt, but fundraisers of obama can solicit the big contributors of obama to contribute to the clinton campaign. I think that obama would like to have the fundraisers and contributors of clinton to contribute to his campaign.

wow…remember when Gore won Florida and suddenly the Bushes did their number and Gore became the loser and how many said Gore was a sore loser? I see now that many Clinton backers are crying about how unfair the media and everyone was to Hillary. Please wake up and ger a life for goodness sake. Remember all those remarks and ineundos from Hillary about Obama..from the insinutations that “things can happen, as it did with Robert Kennedy to being an elitis, she and Bill made $100 milions, to her supporters making it abudantly clear that they could not vote for Obama simply because he is black, I dont remember seeing anywhere in the print meda where she took the high road and asked that those people in Pa, Ohio, Kentucky, and puerto rico to keep their votes as she cannot accept such support since they are based on race rather than ideas etc..now you want Obama to help her with her debt..Hell no..Obama does not need Hillary and her suppoters that are so blind and think Hillary is entitled to the presidency. Enough of the clintons..they had their 8 years in the white house. and Hillary is still in congress. Obama did not help create her debt. She knew she could never win. She knew when she agreed at the onset the Florida and Michigan wont count, but when it became apparent that she could never win, she wanted to change the rules. Troubling to me is that these Hillary supporters cant see the hypocricy of that. If this is how she had planned to run her government, thanks heavens she is not the nominee. Obama, does not owe her and her supporters anything, rather, until Hillary and her supporters make a bold and honest apologies to Obama and the media for all those remarks during the primary, nothing will change. To Hillary supporters, look at your candidate and remember all thsoe remarks and insults she hurled on Obama and he respected her out of party unity and kept quiet..that is class..that is presidential

It Obama has any sense, he will do NOTHING about Clinton’s debt. She was an adult, she knew what she was doing, and the debt incurred was for her own personal agenda, so why should anyone bail her out (especially when the she ran up the debt by campaigning against Obama and dragging out a campaign that had no chance)?

Obama and Hillary would make a good team. They should team up and take back the white house. History in the making.
Dwain

Why should Hillary do the same as Edwards?
Edwards is Obama’s campaign dog. Hillary is not, she is fighting individually, with Obama, actually with the whole unfair media.
Usually weak ones unite together to fight the strong one. That’s why Edwards united Obama to fight Hillary.
Edwards is not president’s material.
Obama should never receive the same from Hillary as from Edwards.
Obama should earn it.
He should know what he got so far is largely given by media for free.
DNC made wrong choice to make Obama nominee.
DNC made the bitter wine, they will drink it by themselves later.

And don’t think we Hillary supporters need Barack to show up at HER fundraisers to motivate us to donate to her. The sight of him makes us vomit. The only person who motivates us is Hillary. There are numerous groups of Hillary supporters on the internet who are donating to retire her debt. We will have it paid off by the end of summer. WE DON’T WANT HILLARY ANYWHERE NEAR THAT PHONY BARACK!!! Let him fight his battles alone. She should NOT introduce him to any of her big fundraisers as he’s hoping for. All he cares about is money FOR HIM.

It Obama has any sense, he will do NOTHING about Clinton’s debt. She was an adult, she knew what she was doing, and the debt incurred was for her own personal agenda, so why should anyone bail her out (especially when the she ran up the debt by campaigning against Obama and dragging out a campaign that had no chance)?
And why would you expect a Clinton supporter to even pay your fraudulent candidate with all his cheating and flipflops by giving him a vote? I will never give him a vote. He has not earned my respect. I am truly looking at him as a folly of candidtae as amny times as he has flip flopped this week.
The great unifier has his volunteers tell two Muslim women they may not sit any where near him because they are wearing their native head scarves….sort etnic bias don’t you think?
Now he is Jacksonville, FL race baiting the RNC and McCain….they aren’t biting.
He talks about experts he has talked to about off shore drilling…what experts? I can get up in front of people and say the same thing!
Wow!He flips on NAFTA….how is that going to help…OH, PA, MI…just to name a few states!
There will not be party unity until you and your arrogant candidate get off your high horse!

I personally believe that Mrs. Clinton is a liar,
a cheat, and a thief. All of those allegations
have already been proven. She has no ethics,
and plays to the gullible lowest common
denominator. She is not smart, but rather,
cunning, and there is a big difference. I also
believe that she has some reality issues.
I donated the max to Mr. Obama’s primary
campaign, and intend to give more to the
presidential race, but not if one penny goes
to the cheat. She can jolly well rot in hell.
I have nothing against Mr. McCain, but feel
that he’s getting a little old for four years of
hell.

I wonder if any of hillary clinton debt is some of her Whitewater monies.I hope so,as I am sure many others do.Why did she keep beating a dead horse so long.Did she think that maybe…..

Malcolm says not one penny should go to that cheat, Hillary Clinton. Very well said, I am in total agreement and I am withholding any further contributions until this matter is clarified.

We already know what Barack is going to do for Hillary, he is going to make joint appearances with Hillary for the democratic party, where they will ask folks to contribute to both Barack’s and Hillary’s campaign websites. That’s all that Barack can do, and that is all that anyone in his shoes before him has been able to do for the nominee loser. What more do you want him to do- kiss her @ss? This is ridiculous. Let’s stop blaming Obama for Hillary’s woes. He has personally been very respectful to women, unless you want to nitpick about “sweetie” and “you’re like-able enough”. Give me a break-get real, there is no man in this country, especially in politics, who has been more respectful to women, especially compared to the sexist McCain,

Yes, I’ve seen the polls lately- Newsweek, Friday, Obama ahead of McCain by 15 points, without Hillary’s help. Can you imagine how far ahead he would if Bill Clinton endorsed him as the nominee, and Hillary actively campaigned for Obama and party unity like she promised- instead of her just crawling under a rock? If I were one of her supporters, I would be disappointed in her behavior thus far after her defeat and concession speech. At a minimum, she needs to a least resume her duties as an active Senator in one of the most important states in the Union.

The reason that Obama is not raising more money right now, is that his supporters are misinformed in that they believe that any money that they donate now to Obama could be diverted to pay off Hillary’s debt, which largely is money she loaned the campaign and money owed to slimeballs like Mark Penn who grossly over-charged for his weak services. When Hillary’s debt is paid off, money will start rolling in from Internet supporters who will feel comfortable that their money will be used by Obama. This is why the money flow has slowed, but it will pick up leading into the August convention.

ANY association Obama has with Hillary will evoke an association of corruption. And, oh yes, I’m yet another who won’t offer up another nickel until Obama separates himself completely with Clinton “big money” donors and insincere support. The last thing I want is my money going towards this sort of never-ending political song and dance. Was a good feeling knowing we accomplished this outside the box. Obama, don’t blow it.

Let’s see—all the Hillary supporters are to play nice now? She will, but I don’t have to. I didn’t vote for the Democratic Party. I voted for Hillary Clinton. Some time between now and November either McCain or Obama will say or do something to convince me that I should vote for them. Unfortunately it looks like it’s more likely to be a case of what they DON’T say or do.

Jillian. this has nothing to do with BO being Black, white, red or green. Who is this man, what has he done to better this country, what has he voted on that made a difference? Come on..wake up and smell the lack of experience!!! This man does NOT have what it’s takes to be a LEADER. What are his accomplishments? Can you give me any…one…? I’m waiting!!!

Amazing how the Obama camp who claims “unity” is quick to disregard a normal procedure in campaigns; the victor helps the defeated pay campaign debts, especially since they are all on the same team. Those “withholding” money in order to not continue party tradition of unity, are the ones being petty and divisive, the apparent force behind Obama that has and continues to drive more Dems away. Seen the polls lately? Not impressive considering the fact that Hillary is out and Obama has bundles of money regardless of the money “holdouts”.
Posted by: irma | Jun 22, 2008 3:42:14 PM
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On Thursday the 26th I will be making my next check out to McCain!
$50.44……..IT is time to put Obama and the DNC on notice. No money to the DNC!