By Ed O'Keefe

Jun 3, 2008 1:20pm

Obama Prepares to Declare Victory

ABC News’ Sunlen Miller Reports: Barack Obama is still putting the finishing touches on his St. Paul speech — and working on his jump shot — in preparation for declaring victory in the tightly contested Democratic nomination.

Obama aides feel that there is a good chance that he will reach the 2,118 delegates needed to clinch the nomination.

If he reaches that number tonight, "(Sen.) Obama will walk onstage tonight as the nominee," an aide to the Senator told ABC News.

His speech tonight, delivered at the same Minneapolis arena where the Republicans are holding their convention this Fall, will be a look ahead centered on "a new phase, a new beginning" of the campaign and make an appeal for Democratic party unity.

Obama’s speech writer, Jon Favreau, wrote the text but, according to this campaign aide, Obama had a large part of the formulation of the tone and language.

As is his tradition, Obama, D-Ill., is playing basketball in Chicago on election day — this time as votes are being cast in the final two primary states of South Dakota and Montana.

Obama, wearing workout clothes and carrying a fruit smoothie, walked out of the East Side club just before Noon Central time.

When asked about his mood, Obama said, "I’m doing fine but I thought this was off limits, basketball.  I’m doing all right."

But as Sen. Obama prepares to turn his sights on Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the presumptive Republican nominee, the Clinton camp continues their fight.

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., will not concede defeat tonight or end her attempt to make history by becoming the first female presidential nominee.

Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe rushed onto CNN this morning to deny an Associated Press report that Clinton would concede tonight after polls closed in the final two Democratic primaries in Montana and South Dakota.

McAuliffe called the report "100 percent incorrect."

"The race goes on," McAuliffe insisted.

Moments later the Clinton campaign issued a statement saying, "The AP story is incorrect. Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination this evening."

"She is in this race until we have a nominee," a senior Clinton official told ABC News, "We do not expect there to be one tonight."

According to an ABC News estimate, Obama is only 31.5 delegates away from clinching the 2,118 delegates needed to secure the Democratic nomination.

"He will declare victory tonight in a moment of history," ABC News’ chief Washington correspondent George Stephanopoulos told "Good Morning America."

Obama is expected to speak shortly after 10 p.m. ET while the votes are still being counted in Montana and South Dakota, ending a grueling campaign that has set records for voter turnout all across the country.

Clinton, D-N.Y., will spend primary day at her New York home in Chappaqua and plans to give a speech in New York Tuesday night — the first time the candidate has not spent a primary night in a contested or about to be contested state.

ABC News’ Eloise Harper and Kate Snow contributed to this report.

User Comments

How can he be the “nominee” until there is a nomination? There will be no nominee until the convention because no candidate got enough pledged delegated.
yeah, that’s right superdelegates are not pledged to a candidate and need to vote.

Posted by: geevill | June 3, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

Let Him do that he is not the nominee he has 1740 to her 1625 they are 115 delegates apart he will look like the — he is. I will never vote for him ever it is to bad he coulndn’t wait with all that has gone on in this race and oh by the way 55 of his delegates plus all the Afirmative action were taken from Hillary.

Posted by: Bishop | June 3, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Let’s face it. This has been a very close race. There is no clear favourite among the electorates with both Clinton and Obama holding on to their own constituencies.
Why not work out a compromise – a shared ticket. 2 years of Presidency for Obama and 2 years for Clinton. Would be a win-win situation for everybody and if the Democrats are really interested in bringing change there is no better way to do it other than sharing the presidency with 2 historic candidates at this vital moment in history.
Might be little difficult for the egos of each side to take. But this would be a real path breaker. Why not give this a thought.

Posted by: Mick | June 3, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

Fox News has just announced that the AP is reporting that Barack has clinched the Dem nomination.
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08

Posted by: LeeLee07 | June 3, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

uho…My feelings as well. Where the hell is Rev.Wright when you need him and where is the new Michelle tape?
Seriously though, I can;t and won’t vote for him with a clear conscience. Not that my vote matters anyway, the DNC and superdelegates took care of that.

Posted by: char19145 | June 3, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

He does not have the “magic” number!
A pox on his MATH!
I declare Mickey Mouse the nominee.I see mickey as the better candidate BO is a fraud!
The convention, we are going to the convention.
How dare he give this to McCain, we are never voting for BO. NEVER!

Posted by: HP Boston | June 3, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Michelle Obama has been specifically kept out of the news. Its almost as though Obama is a bachellor.
She has been pushed under the carpet ever since the rev wright story.
Im sure Obama will be magnanomous and I am becoming fairly sure he picks Clinton to be his running mate.

Posted by: cgeast | June 3, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

do you all realize that if Bill Clinton’s opponents had the millions that Hillary has they could have loaned there campaign money and Bob Kerrey had a great chance at winning… he could have gone on even with what they had…but all the serious caniddates running did not want to see that kind of drag out race because history had shown what it does to a party.
Bill only won because Perot took 19% of the fiscal conservatives votes predominantly from Bush.
If the candidates against Bill had fought on and were less of great Americans by doing so… by putting their own candidacy ahead of the issues at stake…Bill Clinton would not have won.
but selective memories work for those who are wrapped up in blind faith in one candidate.
They all know these stats and they don’t care.
and yes they dropped out months before Hillary has…and probably could have either beaten or tied Bill with all the “scandals” that came up during that primary.
Bob Kerrey was still favored in most of the states that were left to go in the 92 primary…but there is something more important than one individual.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

Could he possibly be announcing ahead of time because he knows that Montana and SD are going to be closer than originally thought? If so, he is going to look like an even bigger jerk than he already is.
TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION, HILLARY!
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | June 3, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

finally and end well hillary you were great im very proud of you me being a woman and see you coming this far ok dems its time to unite and defeat john mccain in nov obama08

Posted by: angie | June 3, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

The water is under the doors. All towels are wet now. 33 delegates left to clinch the nomination. We are moving slowly, slowly by the hour. We will reach the destination tonight, god willing!

Posted by: Peace | June 3, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

How can he be the “nominee” until there is a nomination? There will be no nominee until the convention because no candidate got enough pledged delegated.
yeah, that’s right superdelegates are not pledged to a candidate and need to vote.
—————————-
In Hillary’s own words:
“My husband didn’t win the nomination until June.”
- Hillary Clinton 05/08
That was WELL before the convention that Bill WON the nomination. Hillary isn’t lying again is she?

Posted by: The answer is.... | June 3, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

He always looks and acts like a fool. He will be made to look foolish as he will lose the GE and the DNC will be shocked at the seats they LOSE in the house and senate.

Posted by: HP Boston | June 3, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

Its time the super delegates get off their “butts” and get their endorsements in………….Let’s end this circus and get on to beat McBush!!

Posted by: SUNMAKER777 | June 3, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

“I plan to campaign hard through February. As you know, it’s the delegates who chose our nominee. I plan to have the majority of pledged delegates by the end of the races in February”
-Hillary Clinton 12/07
Seems like Hillary understood the process at one point in her campaign

Posted by: The answer is.... | June 3, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

as someone else pointed out bill cinton didnt wrap up the nomination until sometime in june
that someone was hillary clinton
so tell me if you have to go to the convention how did bill win the nomination?
im sorry bishop and geevil you guys are wrong hes 30 delegates away

Posted by: bhrandon | June 3, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

hp boston if by “we” you mean “I”
yeah you might never vote for him…but most Hillary supporters are normal caring Americans who worry about their kids and the future of the country and what this road has done to us and their future…
Most hillary supporters (I would say almost all) are great , hopeful, thoughtful, patriotic Americans… who see what a McCain Presidency promises.
They don’t act like 5th graders and say Obama is evil because he beat our friend Hillary and he shouldn’t be President because of that.
That’s dumb.
Obama has shown and promised many things… no one has shown a man who hasn’t worked tirelessly to fulfill the promises he has made…or a man who puts everyday factory workers…ie Americans…ahead of his over-deserved career or his own advancement.
No matter how you want to blether the opposite…you can’t show anything that says otherwise.
sorry but the bottom line is …his life shows a man who has consistently tried to put his money where his mouth is.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Another typical boneheaded move by one who constantly makes boneheaded mistakes.

Posted by: fat cat | June 3, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

Michelle Obama has been specifically kept out of the news. Its almost as though Obama is a bachellor.
———————–
And where is Cindy McCain?????
Neither is running for office as far as I can tell. Only Hillary thought the first lady was running the country.

Posted by: The answer is.... | June 3, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

@dl – Nope, hp boston was correct. It is “we” as in millions of Hillary Supporters. Don’t get it twisted because you think we should follow the party line…
TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION, HILLARY!
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | June 3, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Larry, suck it!

Posted by: uho | June 3, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

Bob Kerrey Paul Tsongas…
great Americans who stepped aside and helped Bill Clinton with the help of Ross Perot win the democratic party back for the dems in 92…
and there were almost as many angry supporters saying they would defect if Bill got the nom back then…
If either of these two fought on there is a great chance that Bill and the dems would not have won.
even thought they both had the “right” to fight on to the end for the nomination…they got out early as to be fiscally responsible to their supporters (even if their supporters screamed for them not to) that is the sign of a great american who puts the values, the issues and the people first.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Obama has his excuse ready for getting trounced tonight. (Oh, I would of won, but my supporters stayed home because it doesn’t matter).
Disgraceful. disenfranchising more voters.

Posted by: geevill | June 3, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

also i cant wait to see this supposed tape, i seriously DOUBT there is one.. if there was one, hillary would have it and she would have leaked it to take the nomination
secondly michelle was giving a speech yesterday i read it it was good. I think she is going to be a great first lady

Posted by: bhrandon | June 3, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

That was WELL before the convention that Bill WON the nomination. Hillary isn’t lying again is she?
BILL CLINTON. like MCCAIN HAD THE REQUIRED DELEGATES. Obama doesn’t. But I guess that s too hard for an Obama supporter to understand.

Posted by: geevill | June 3, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

Geevil opponents to Bill Clinton they dropped out well before he had the numbers…
they put the issues before themselves.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

Neither Obama or his supporters have a clue about Clinton supporters. You are on your own now.

Posted by: geevill | June 3, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

Obama to declare Victory tonight the Race is over.

Posted by: Lookup | June 3, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

the whole tape thing would have been dropped already…this is all a last ditch effort to make something out of nothing because they know Hillary’s favorabilities now are at the level of GW and that is who they want to run against still.
and Obama’s are going back up.
favorables are the most direct correlation between a nominee from the primaries to the general.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

He should be prepared for defeat in Nov too.
Dukakis was 17% ahead at this time.
Dems are dumb.

Posted by: s.b. | June 3, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

I am a Hillary supporter and a democrat and can never vote for Obama. Sorry, that just can’t be done. People can call me names but it just can’t be done. Sorry folks, it looks like McCain has my vote and he does support dignity and pride. This is more important than any abortion vote.

Posted by: voter | June 3, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Geevill,
Another prediction from you wrong AGAIN.
Looks like he’s the NOMINEE!
Now, on to POTUS. Would you be so kind in providing another one of your dumb a$$ predictions, so we can assume the opposite?
Please say it! McCain in a landslide, right?
RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
OBAMA POTUS
YES WE CAN
YES WE WILL
YES WE DID

Posted by: Nat Turner | June 3, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

s.b: Dukakis and that silly helmet did him in for the nomination.

Posted by: Lookup | June 3, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

s.b.
dukakis didn’t have an economy that was sinking…america hadn’t lost this much ground with it’s allies because of his opponents foreign policy, and Dukakis didn’t have a war that was crushing our military men and woman not to mention it’s strength.
and dukakis didn’t bring out and motivate americans like Obama has done…he got the message right.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Thank goodness there is McCain instead of Guiliani or a Huckabee. All is not lost, we still have McCain!

Posted by: voter | June 3, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

John McCain best days are behind!

Posted by: Lookup | June 3, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

April 8,1992 delegate count
Clinton-1,285
Tsongas-509
Brown-203
Obama can scrub webpages but he cannot scrub history.

Posted by: geevill | June 3, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

John McCain’s best days are behind him!

Posted by: Lookup | June 3, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

@dl – Let me tell you something. I served 4 years in the military and my husband served 28 years. I am entitled, I am sure, to exercise my right to vote for whom I want to. So don’t try to relegate my choice and intelligence to that of a 12 year old. I am not voting for Obama – and excuse me for not being politically correct here – because IMO he is DUMB as a rock, also racist to the bone. I can say that, see, because I am black. lol. If you can’t see that, then I have questions about your intelligence. Just so you know, I don’t let anger control my thought processes to the extent that I would do something rash… Most people don’t. You need to acknowledge that you are dealing with thinking people on this blog and that not all of us are going to agree.
TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION, HILLARY!
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | June 3, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

Here is the best quote, straight from Bill himself:
“Now one of Clinton’s Laws of Politics is this,” Mr. Clinton says. “If one candidate’s trying to scare you and the other one’s trying to get you to think; if one candidate’s appealing to your fears and the other one’s appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope. That’s the best.”

Posted by: Nat Turner | June 3, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Nat Turner
I am a fan of McCain and I think he is a hero…
but he has to live up to his promises as best he can and if he is able to achieve a third of what he has been promising our country is in for it…badly.
the problem is the hillary supporters who are saying vote for McCain …have not been listening to McCain…or looking at what he has been promising (some things for 20 years)
He is bad for the economy, horrific for our standing in the world, and worse to our kids.
he has no plans for any of the economic challenges besides going along with the corporate/Bush/ line …let the markets work themselves out and don’t put in oversight/red tape… yeah that’s what we did for 8 years…
stay in iraq…don’t talk to our enemies, threaten Iran with our sabre is bigger than yours (becasue that has worked for the past 8 years ugh)…
keep the wealthy tax cuts on the backs of the middle class and our infrastructure…
borrow more moneys from China to fight the war.
keep our vets returning to the miltarty by not offering them an education that is too generous
…the list goes on…
McCain is a hero…and I am a fan of my old high scool football captain quarterback when he beat the other town at that buig thanksgiving game…but do I want him teaching economics…uh, no.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

Wake up Johnny. It’s time to rumble.

Posted by: Jim B | June 3, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

TO:DNC AND SD.
MEET US AT THE POLLS NOVEMBER 4TH.
WE WILL GET EVEN………
McCAIN ’08

Posted by: Nicholas | June 3, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

Hallelujah and hooray. Best candidate we’ve had in a long long time. I can’t wait until he gets into the WH and starts undoing some of the mess Bush did. I think he’ll make a fantastic president. I’m happy.

Posted by: marilyn | June 3, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

IT’S OVER
Hillary supporters: Jump on the Obama express or go elsewhere. There are no other choices.

Posted by: Thomas | June 3, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

@dl – Your logic is whack, just like your candidate. I have been reading your posts for months, now, and you don’t want people to vote for logic, you just want them to vote for Obama. Sorry, millions of us won’t. Take it to the bank.
TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION, HILLARY!
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | June 3, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

I love that phrase: “effectively clinches.”
What they’re saying is, based on how many Super D’s they think are declaring for him today, and what they THINK he will win tonight, that he SHOULD have it.
If he already “effectively” has it,
SHOW ME THE NUMBERS !!!!!!!!

Posted by: SandyB | June 3, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

Nat Turner: One more “Empty Suit” is full now.

Posted by: Lookup | June 3, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Bishop, you have no clue either he has more then enough deligates like he is 32 away she is over 200 honest it is now coming to light why all the dumb and stupid blogs ..

Posted by: voter | June 3, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

It is amazing how majority of Americans react in this issue.If you are democracy and say you will vote for republican if Obama is elected, is clear to me that you have your secrete agenda in your mind (racist). The truth is, if you vote for republican, you will continue to suffer as you do now while Obama will be having his normal life. My point is, dont use your hate in election, you dont punish anybody but yourself…

Posted by: Archie From Denmark | June 3, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Obama to declare Victory tonight the Race is over!
The “Fat Lady” is warming up!!!!!!

Posted by: Lookup | June 3, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

I will never vote for Obama. Not ever, and I am life long democrat. Even if Hillary is on the ticket, I just won’t do it. The guy has a personality disorder.
Well done superdelegates! You’ve shown you’re not worthy of the title!
McCain ’08

Posted by: Mark | June 3, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

dl- the king of obama supporters writes “the problem is the hillary supporters who are saying vote for McCain …have not been listening to McCain…”
OH NO. THE PROBLEM IS THE DNC AND SUPERDELEGATES ARE NOT LISTENING TO CLINTON VOTERS.

Posted by: geevill | June 3, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

gEEVIL,
Oh No. The problem is the DNC knows who the winning candidate is and they’ve made their choice and there’s nothing you can do, whine or say about it. Right?
Go take a walk. A long walk. Check back in January. You will be amazed at finally realizing OBAMA will be your next POTUS.

Posted by: Nat Turner | June 3, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

If HRC is on the ticket, Obama will lose. She and Bush should take the summer off. Neither of them will do any good for their party’s chances in Nov.

Posted by: J Robinson | June 3, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Obama never!
Country first, party second!

Posted by: T | June 3, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Just to update some of you on the latest. The AP, which still has egg on its face from this morning’s false report that Hillary would concede to Obama, does it again.
The AP is sending out a breaking news report, complete with post-mortem analysis, that Obama has reached the magic number and is officially the nominee.
Votes are cast at the convention in August. Superdelegates can change their mind any time before then. If this went to an open convention, even pledged delegates would be released from their pledge after the first vote.
This does not mean it’s going to the convention. It means that until one candidate drops out, there can be no winner because the number of delegates that candidate has can change any time until the convention.
Until and unless Hillary Clinton publicly suspends or ends her campaign and concedes that Obama is the nominee, there is no nominee. There is only a statement that if current delegate positions at this moment were frozen in time until August he would be the nominee.
If and when Hillary makes that determination, then Obama will be the nominee.

Posted by: rockthebleachers | June 3, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

Wait, did the DNC suddenly change the nomination convention to tonight?
I mean it’s obvious he will be the nominee (barring something totally unforeseen), but saying he is the nominee months before the convention is just silly.
Even though McCain is the obvious GOP nominee, he is still referred to as the “presumptive” GOP nominee, as the convention has not yet been held and he has not in fact the official nominee.

Posted by: None of the Above 08 | June 3, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

and geevil writes
“the problem is the dnc is not listening to the voters…
no the dnc is trying to listen to ALL the voters…not just the minority that want hillary…
even the ones Hillary supporters would like to disenfranchise…with Ickes…you don’t count …you do count game.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

I don’t think Hillary is going to drop out or concede. She knows and Obama knows this is just one big waiting game. Waiting for one of Obama’s bombs to drop and it will… Can Obama beat the clock? That’s the question.
TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION, HILLARY!
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | June 3, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

I have to say, the delegate numbers highly misleading as they include superD votes. The supers do not even vote until the convention and are not pledged to any candidate. They can change their vote on a whim at the last second.
Neither candidate will end with enough PLEDGED delegates to wrap it up and since neither candidate appears willing to drop out, the supers will make the decision. But again, supers do not vote until the convention and can change their minds.
For the media to include superD’s in the tallies is highly misleading (despite that it is clear just who will be the Dem nominee).

Posted by: None of the Above 08 | June 3, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

The high gas prices are the fault of the Democrats. President Bush has been trying for years to get the Democrats to let oil companies drill for more oil here on our own soil and build new refineries. If this had been done eight years ago (as President Bush wanted) the US would not be experiencing the high gas prices we are now and would be much less dependent on Middle Eastern oil.
If Obama gets elected our energy crises will get even worse. Obama is for placing even more restrictions on energy production. Obama is trying to con the public into believing there is some type of magic bullet out there that will replace oil when there is none. Obama is using Global Warming fear tactics to justify higher taxes. As Obama stated “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said.
“That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added.
In addition, Obama has said his spiritual advisers include Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger who are apostles of black liberation theology. Most people view black liberation theology as a racist creed. That is why some people think Obama is a racist.
If you want higher taxes, more layoffs, higher gas prices and a guy who hangs out with racists for President, Vote Obama

Posted by: Sam | June 3, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

Losing is not the same as being cheated. You could definitely lose in a fair contest. Many Hillary supporters automatically take defeat as unfairness, as if the only fair thing is that they win. They are entitled to win, and it’s always unfair if they lose.
If anyone, it’s the Hillary camp that’s being twisting arms and rules, I find it curious it’s the Hillary people who are more furious.

Posted by: foo | June 3, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

Mission Accomplished??? Ha! Ha! Just because you say it, doesn’t make it so.

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | June 3, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

get real
I only know statistics and what happened now when I have gone to three different mixed dem events where people have actually gotten back to a place of normality…
but historically and statistically there is a percentage similar to the one saying this about Barack that say they will vote for the other party after their canidate lost…yeah …and I know what has happened statistically when a primary gets drawn out this long…
The only people who willstick with those convictions are rpobably the people angry enough to get on here and spout some the angry stuff on here.
but you are right I don’t know you.
but I do know a lot of Hillary supporters…I would guess probably more than you do since I volunteered for ehr campaign for 8 months of last year in NH.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

The Democratic Party, and the Media, have turned out to be nothing but a bunch of misrepresentational power brokers. Send ‘em all to Russia! Ha!
Keep on pushin’ Hillary! You’re the one WE want!

Posted by: george | June 3, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Obama 08!!!!! hillary needs to give it up tonight and back off so we can all come together.

Posted by: Deb | June 3, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Why a vote for Obama may lead to more war and deaths, not less. The facts on the ground now in Iraq is that the surge has been successful and the US is winning the war in Iraq. That is why Obama’s plan of pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory in Iraq is so idiotic.Barack Obama: more defeatist than the French.
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on Sunday that the security situation in Iraq was improving and reaffirmed France’s willingness to help rebuild the war-ravaged country.
“I have the feeling that things are better. Statistics show a drop in security incidents,” Kouchner told AFP after a working lunch with his Iraqi counterpart Hoshyar Zebari on the last day of his two-day visit to Iraq.
Al Qaeda is on the run in Iraq but if the USA retreats and turns Iraq over to them, Al Qaeda will have access to Iraq’s large oil reserves and thus the means and opportunity to attack us and attack us hard. Our Middle Eastern allies will have no reason to trust our word and abandon us. Not to mention the boost a withdrawal from Iraq will give to Iran, Syria and Hamas. Think WWIII, If Obama is elected his defeatist policies will put us all at more risk of another 9/11 attack and even worse the blow up the middle east which will mean more will die, just like what happened in WWII when people thought Hitler could be appeased and were wrong, very wrong. Whats more, the killing fields of cambodia could be played out again in Iraq by Al Qaeda, Only this time the people murdered could be the very people that risked their lives to support the US. Question, if Obama wins,can you sleep well at night if you get what you want and this happens? I hope not.
P.S. If Obama had got his way and Saddam was still in power the West would be dealing with TWO major middle eastern powers on the brink or already in possession of nuclear weapons thumbing their nose at the US.

Posted by: tom | June 3, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

deja,
You are half-right. We need someone with good judgment. We need someone that was smart enough to know that this war was not necessary. Only one person running with good judgment…..Obama 2008!!!

Posted by: pt | June 3, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Obama is lying about his stand on the Iraq war. When in the Senate he voted for every bill funding the war in Iraq and even stated that his position on Iraq was the same as President Bush. Obama’s numerous lies and gaffes makes him unfit to be President. Obama cannot be trusted. I will never vote for Obama.

Posted by: tom | June 3, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

I hope he speaks loud and clear because I’ll already be in bed asleep. I don’t listen to Bush’s speeches and I’m not going to listen to Obama’s either.

Posted by: too tired | June 3, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

dl,
May I remind you, I am currently a strong Clinton campaigner, so I would beg to differ that you know more Hillary supporters now than I do, since you’ve obviously been on the Obama campaign after your “8 months last year”. And you said its probably the Hillary supporters angry enough to stick to their convictions that will vote McCain in November. Well, the majority of Hillary supporters are pretty damn angry now and each day that goes by that Obama disrespects her with his cocky crap, is one more day of anger for us.

Posted by: Get Real | June 3, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

dl revises my statement about the DNc just like Rolling Stone revised the title of their article -”The radical roots of Barack Obama”, just like Obama revises his website removing Wright and Pfleger, just like his church removes their black liberation crap.

Posted by: geevill | June 3, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

insanity. the nomination occurs in denver
this guy is crazy

Posted by: TJ | June 3, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Obama is for surrender. Surrender to terrorism, surrender to islamofacism, surrender in Iraq. Obama is for surrender despite the fact the US is winning in Iraq and has Al Qaeda on the run. Obama is an idiot.

Posted by: Terry | June 3, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

get real
Most Hillary supporters are angry but the issues of the economy, the war, healthcare, our standing in the world, women’s rights, the supreme court, the housing market, lobbyists working on the us dime are more important than being mad at perceived “cockiness”.
Maybe you should get out and talk to some of these women who fought for these issues for decades… 90% of them think voting for McCain would be stupid and a transgression against all the work they have doen for decades.
and to argue otherwise just looks…(drumroll…my favorite word) dumb.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

If she doesn’t concede you will see this mass exodus of her pledged delegates switch to Obama simply because they are also fed up with her relentless whinning and ruddness to the party. Most of them are party loyalist and they are simply waiting for her to bow out with grace & dignity(none of which she has).

Posted by: 08demo | June 3, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Terry
al quaeda is not on the run …by all accounts outside of GW’s it’s growing stronger…check the news.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

sorry geevil let me add the word clinton to voters because that makes a difference…not.
and geevil writes
“the problem is the dnc is not listening to the “clinton” voters…
no the dnc is trying to listen to ALL the voters…not just the minority that want hillary…
even the ones Hillary supporters would like to disenfranchise…with Ickes…you don’t count …you do count game.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

What if all of the die hard Hillary supporters abandoned ship and voted for McCain. We’ve already seen what the Republican’s have done in the past 8 years via the wars, housing foreclosures, and the price of gas, just to mention a few of the haphazard occurrences that are now plaguing our our country. Can you honestly sit back and say that by putting McCain, a Republican, back in office that any of this will change for the good? People are struggling to make ends meet. Companies are trying to figure out ways to save money on gas by cutting the work week down to just 4 days. Some schools are considering shortening their weeks as well. Just how much money are these oil tycoons making based on these ridiculously high gas prices? Think past color people, because that’s what it all boils down to!!

Posted by: MzTM | June 3, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

dl,
Again, don’t tell me about fighting for women’s rights. I’m one of those you refer to who have been fighting for decades for the rights of BOTH women AND minorities. A vote for McCain will in no way diminish the fight since we’ll probably have a Democratic Congress. Instead my vote for McCain is to underscore my rights as a woman to not have an inferior candidate shoved down my throat just because he’s a male and a minority. He’s NOT seasoned enough to take on the highest office in this land. As a Black person, I would love to see the first Black president in my lifetime. But I don’t want to see the first Black President created by the media who’s incompetent for the job (just like Carter was) and end up being a total failure as I’m sure Obama would be if he were ever so lucky to win in November. Then the joke will be “you can’t give Black people anything that they won’t screw up”. I’ve heard that said too often enough about Black elected officials, mayors in particular, who weren’t ready for primetime just like Obama.

Posted by: Get Real | June 3, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

You know, no matter what, I’m pretty proud of Hillary. She’s a strong person and a strong candidate… This has been a tough match… so close!
However, if Obama does win the nomination, I’m not going to fight against him beacuse he’s not Hillary. I respect myself and the human rights of others far too much to ever vote for McCain. My God, Can’t you see he’s the next Bush?

Posted by: OhioDem2008 | June 3, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

and get real
I volunteered for Clinton Obama and Biden
and I went and heard almost all of the candidates from both parties speak…in mostly very intimate and casual settings.
I spent the most time on Hillary’s until I got to know barack (and I got to know Hillary better)
I don’t think anyone could have gone to hear all of them and not walked away with the idea that this candiate was the one who should be President.
Biden was the smartest
Mccain was the most like my Dad
Romney the most smarmey and father knows best performance.
Hillary had the name and the confidence.
Dodd the most supportive of the other caniddates…and second most knowledgable…
but Obama had the logic…and the communication to put it terms to get people to say ah…I get it…that’s what we need to do.
Right person right message…right president.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

Announcing his victory before it is his is just one more act of arrogance, which makes OB detracters dislike and disrespect him. NEITHER BO or HRC currently has or will have enough primary pledged delegate votes to claim victory as the democratic presidential candidate (even if the ~30 votes given to BO contrary to DNC rules are included) by end of day. The efforts of the DNC, super delegates and media to push HRC out of the contest prematurely is self-serving, and contrary to the rules of the DNC. As neither candidate has enough pledged delegate votes to claim victory, the decision goes to the super delegates (“SD”), who will not be able to cast their votes until the convention; the pledge of their votes in advance before all events have been played out, is an attempt to prejudice the results. The SDs are supposed to take into account a myriad of factors to determine which candidate is most electable in the GE. This does indeed include consideration of the popular vote, which will determine who actually wins in the Nov. HRC will likely carry that vote including in the important swing states, among Latinos, working class, etc. She has a solid argument about her electability in support of her continued bid for the presidential nomination. The decision of the SDs will be no easy task as suggested by the BO’s desire to pack up everything and get to the GE. An example one blogger pointed to is apt here: should Ed Kennedy and Patrick Kennedy cast their super-delegate votes for BO who they backed, or for HRC who their states (Mass & RI) elected by overwhelming popular vote with the majority of their pledged DELEGATES going to HRC. The SD’s should be held accountable for their votes.

Posted by: Cd1234567891 | June 3, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

get real
a vote for McCain says to congress that issues of conservative judges aren’t as important as for them to stick out their necks.
a vote for McCain says that those issues are not the majority opinion.
a vote for Mccain while relying on congress to go against your vote for McCain and his issues…well probably is not going to work…
and is really bad logic.
a vote for McCain and his promises does not help women or minority issues.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

“I’m doing fine but I thought this was off limits, basketball. I’m doing all right.”
Again, he’s too important to be bothered as he already assumes he is the nominee. This is the same attitude he has exhibited throughout this campaign, and just another reason I can’t stand him. He and his wife both think they are better than anyone who doesn’t belong to their inner circle, I just can’t believe people can’t see it.

Posted by: dwc | June 3, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

dl
Yeah sure. And what do you Obama people care about women anyway?
Let the scare tactics begin. Right?

Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

OhioDem2008 and ed, great to know you guys are out there. If HRC won the primary I would have voted for her this November, because *nothing* is more important than liberating us from a warmongering, large cooperation serving president!
I think Barack is very qualified to lead our nation and has accomplished a lot so far, if some don’t agree, then they don’t agree, but saying the game was unfair because you don’t like the end results is rediculous.

Posted by: sfsinger | June 3, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

Hillary has won so many votes in Demo primaries from crossover Republicans intent on derailing Obama’s candidacy that maybe John McCain will pick her as his running mate. The GOP wanted Hillary as an opponent, obviously; and it makes good sense once they picked their own candidate to pick their competition’s, too. And guess what! They may have succeeded.
Sterling Greenwood
Aspen Free Press

Posted by: Sterling Greenwood | June 3, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

dwc, and I’m sure you’d just love to have the media try to talk to you *all the time*! Public figures are entitled to a little time off to play basketball or do whatever as much as anyone else. Since when has the media ever respected that?

Posted by: sfsinger | June 3, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Hillary has just said she would “consider” being VP.
This means she WANTS it.
If she wants it, it is hers. The dream ticket is about to be realized.
Everyone needs to lay down their weapons and realize this may be the best chance of winning in November.

Posted by: VEEP | June 3, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Talking from a teleprompter is not very impressive to me. I saw BO in the last debate look like a boob and that is why he didn’t want to debate again! Not to much logic there!

Posted by: rockthebleachers | June 3, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

S
I care a lot about ALL americans…that’s why I speak up.
I wish that Hillary had been the candidate because I think it is high time a woman held the office…but Hillary is not the right person unfortunately.
The first woman should not be elected because she has the same last name as another or the last popular democrat president.
The first woman needs to be elected because she is the strongest candidate standing alone…not in the light of her husband or father or brother or whatever…that is a big reason why Bush was elected. It is a job for the right candidate with the right message not because they have a familiar name and some experience.
Look what that got us last time.
We need more women in congress…and as governors and in government leadership positions…that will bring us a bigger pool to choose from…and women won’t feel forced that they need to support a nominee that they think is the only way a woman can get there.
so yeah Obama supporters care about women.

Posted by: dl | June 3, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Sterling Greenwood, You bring up a good point. I am a Hillary supporter from Ohio who was scandalized to find out that my conservative friend had voted in the primary for Hillary– because he thought it would benifit the GOP!

Posted by: OhioDem2008 | June 3, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

I am not as afraid of McCain as I am of Obama. McCain, with a Dem controlled Congress would be basically a lame duck. He wouldn’t have the power to overturn Roe v Wade, or anything else that the congress didn’t agree with. Who knows what Obama will do…he hasn’t really said yet. His snobbiness, his debasing of women, his underhanded tactics that he blames on everyone else…..he’s just like the rest of them. If it turns out we are hiring a politician for the job, I want the one with the most experience. If not Hillary, then McCain.

Posted by: smartypants | June 3, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

Ah! The end is near! All of you Clinton Supporters remember! She’s going to lose and that’s almost as important to us as Obama winning the general. I know, you’re going to say that he won’t win the general but let’s not skip over the fact that she’s not going to WIN the nomination! You can’t lose the general election if you lose the nomination.!
DEAL WITH IT LOSERS!
YEAH!

Posted by: casey | June 3, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

      “How can he be the ‘nominee’ until there is a
      nomination? There will be no nominee until the
      convention…”
      geevill | Jun 3, 2008 1:24:46 PM
It’s a difference in perspective “the nominee” (definite article implies the singular and sole possession of the title, a “fait accompli” if you will, even though not formalized) as opposed to “a nominee” (indefinite article implies two or more vying for the position).
With that hint, I’ll leave it to you to work out the ramifications.

Posted by:   Lee C.   ―   U.S.A.    | June 3, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

There must be a lot of people worried that a lot of Clinton supporters really are going to vote for McCain based on comments today. Call us names if you like, I don’t vote based strictly on party or issues, as most politicians waffle on those after they are elected anyway. If a nominee had been chosen based strictly on issues and solutions, Hillary would have won this nomination a long time ago. I vote for someone based on their basic values, judgment,past experiences, and whether I think I can trust them or not. Obama hasn’t convinced me his values are the same as mine, actually, he has done just the opposite lately. Plus, arrogance and aloofness are very unattractive traits in a public servant.

Posted by: dwc | June 3, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

dwc,
Totally agree. Obama’s “pass” during the primaries was that he could call everthing “off limits” from discussion if it made him look bad, which was supported by the stupid, admiring MSM. If Hillary or anyone said “Boo” about him, he’d cry foul or play the race card. UNFORTUNATELY, nothing will be off limits in the GE, and he’ll finally have to fess up about how his ass was in Trinity for 20 years and he NEVER heard Rev. Wright’s hatred for country and white America during that whole time. He probaly thinks leaving Trinity now is a good idea since he no longer needs the Black Church votes that got him into politics. It will be interesting to see how many Black voters abandon him as he has abandon them.

Posted by: Get Real | June 3, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

OBAMA’S HOPE
That the rest of the garbage in his past won’t be unearthed.
OBAMA’S PROMISE
I never heard Wright when he delivered such sermons.

Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

sfsinger:
That’s my point, and why most people have no desire to run for public office…if he wants to be President, he better get used to the fact when the press has access to him, he better at least act like he doesn’t mind. Just like when he told the press his wife was off limits for saying stupid things, he thinks his privacy is more important than anyone else’s. He sure didn’t mind the press hanging around when it was to HIS advantage did he? With that indignant attitude, it will be interesting to see how long before the press turns on him like they did the Clintons. It is just amazing how everything he says and does is excused because he is so special.

Posted by: dwc | June 3, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

If I do not love America
I would not have run for president.
If I do not love the church
I would not have sit in for 20 years.
If I do not run for president
I would not have to quit the church.
If I do not quit the church
I would not have to love America.
Get it or get lost?
Come on.
You can sit in the church AND love America as you have done for 20 years.

Posted by: jy2008 | June 3, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

Go Obama you the man.You’re the best!!!!!!!!

Posted by: valsand | June 3, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

ed, Why are you voting for a man, Obama, with zero experience who lies a lot?
Obama’s accomplishments in the state Senate for 6 years was zero. Obama spent his time getting into the good graces of people like Rezko and Ayres in order to financially benefit his future in politics. When Obama asked Emil Jones to make him a federal Senator than Obama started to show some accomplishments. However, those accomplishments included Emil Jones, President of the Illinois state Senate, appointing Obama the head of every piece of high-profile legislation in sight to pad his resume. Jones aside all the senior state senators who had been working on bills for years and gave the credit to Obama by naming Obama as sponsor. Bottom line after six years of doing nothing in the Obama’s 7th and final year as a state Senator, his record went from zero accomplishments to being falsely credited for the sponsorship of 26 passed bills. None of which Obama worked on or fought for!
This is what Obama is doing in the US Senate as well, look at his record, it is zero. Except of course, when it comes to getting earmarks for his wife’s employer passed for the University of Chicago Hospitals, where Michelle Obama was vice president of community affairs. Michelle had already benefited when her salary went to $316,962 in 2005 just after Obama took office.
P.S. The fact that McCain supports American business is a good thing. Unless you like higher taxes, high unemployment and think some faceless self serving government worker should be invested with the power to tell you “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said.
“That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added.

Posted by: Mary | June 3, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

ObamaforPresident – Nope, after all that fuss from Obama that he was against the war, after he got to the Senate, he voted to fund it each and every time it came up for vote. Now, If Obama had the courage of his convictions, he would have voted against it, like our guy, Dennis Kucinith. But he didn’t do that. In any case, I agree this war was a lie from the beginning and as much as I hate to say it, we are not going to be able to pick up our guns and just walk out. Makes me angry, but that is a fact. No, I don’t think McCain is so bad. Remember, at one point in time, John Kerry, an Obama endorser, wanted him as his VP pick…
TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION, HILLARY!
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Posted by: LeeLee07 | June 3, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

The Clinton supporters are losers. Where ever they go, they will be losers. If McCain wins the general, Clinton supporter’s demographic, “bluecollar whites” will be the big losers. If Obama wins, the election, they will still be losers because it won’t be Hillary.
How come losers spend so much time talking about “Obama can’t win.” No, you losers can’t win. Stop projecting.
Why listen to these losers. They’re the same “swing” democrats that gave us eight years of Bush. They don’t know Jack. It’s time for a younger, better educated class of American to take control of the direction of the country. Obama 08.

Posted by: kickthacan already | June 3, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

Barack H Obama. The ‘H’ stands for hypocrite!

Posted by: S | June 3, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

Wrong answer Mary. If Bush did not invade Iraq under false pretenses, we could be agressively attacking Iran right now. Because of the foul up of WMD in Iraq, we now have to sit and wait for the Iran to provoke an attack. The world won’t let us “cry wolf” twice. We should have made the first call a worthy one. Stop making excuses for a failed policy.

Posted by: Roger | June 3, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm

Mary you think support of American business is a good thing and it could be if American business supports the interests of the average American. That means providing jobs to U.S. citizens and not outsourcing work to other countries like BUsh allowed in record numbers.
The cheap labor they take advantage of overseas only helps shareholders in those “American businesses.” The rich get richer and you lose your job.
Let’s vote in a president that supports the American people before American businesses.
Obama 08

Posted by: Roger | June 3, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

Wow Dems…. I am really dissapointed in most of you. To Obama supporters – now is not the time to gloat. Don’t be sore winners. start saying constructive things to the HRC supporters. They are obviously really hurt by the way that things turned out and it is time to rise above all of this inter-party bickering and focus in on the goal that we all had at the beginning of this election.
To Hillary supporters – I can empithize with you (even if I can’t spell it). I know what it is like to put all of your heart and soul behind something and not have it prevail. However, we need to really look for the common good here. Remember that you decided to become a demecrat, not because you wanted to put the first woman in the presidency (which by itself is a great goal which I truly applaud) but because of where your moral compass resides. Lets remember the issues and not get caught up in the media frenzy of having to pick one, stay with one, and nothing else.
It is time to come together for the good of our country, for our children, our economy, our image abroad, and most importantly, our faith in our own government.
Thanks

Posted by: Bring it together | June 3, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

Mary, I’m really picking on you.
With the intelligence we have in the U.S. we can’t make “mistakes” we have to have accurate information. We have the resources to have accurate information. If the government is not sure it can say it is not sure. If they say they are sure and they are wrong, you can bet-it is a lie. Bush lied. He did not make a mistake. He knew his information was incomplete. It was his job to know. We can’t kill the leader of another country and say “oops.” Makes us look bad around the world.

Posted by: Roger | June 3, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

Rodger, Intelligence is an art not a science, so mistakes are always a possibility. Again, every intelligence agency in the world thought Saddam had WMDSs and post 9/11 Bush did not want to take the risk of another 9/11 attack from a very vocal enemy of the US who was thumbing his nose at the US.

Posted by: Mary | June 3, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

Tim,
You said Al Qaeda is weaker in Iraq. That’s true but they were never strong in Iraq. Saddam ran that country with no help from Al Qaeda. They came in after the American invasion and now they are weakened. Great.
Let’s at least agree that America is weaker today then it was eight years ago. More Americans are in foreclosure, gas is $4, jobs are fewer and the dollar is weaker. Let’s say Bush crippled the enemies of capatialism and crippled the people who lived under capatalism both at the same time.

Posted by: roger | June 3, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

Rodger, Obama does not support the American people. No no no. Obama supports confiscating money from the American people and giving it to a bunch of faceless self serving government workers who will sit on their high horse telling everyone what to do. Not to mention Rezco

Posted by: huhg | June 3, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

For heavens sake let’s put the Clinton era behind us. We have had enough of the Bush family in the White House, and the same goes for the Clinton’s. With Obama now the apparent winner of this tiring Democratic primary race let’s allow him to come up with some “honest” fresh blood to join him as VP. One who hasn’t overspent their time in Washington and one who hasn’t endured “sniper fire” in Bosnia or anywhere else.

Posted by: Paul Dennett | June 3, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

My whole family is so pleased that Sen. Obama is going to win the Dem. nomination tonight.I was all for a woman President and a Africian American, i didnt know who to choose. But hearing some of what hillary was saying about Sen. Obama, my vote changed from hillary to Obama. I dont even want her on the ticket with him anymore. she needs to be home with her husband, he is off the chain.

Posted by: Bernice | June 3, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

Moe,
Unfortunately for you most people in this country have moved beyond you simple-minded fear mongering. We’ve grown up and you haven’t.

Posted by: Roger | June 3, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

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