Peripatetic Pursuits
FROM GUEST-BLOGGER RICK KLEIN, from ABC’s The Note.
Hi everyone, Rick Klein here from The Note at ABCNews.com, subbing in for Jake Tapper this week — which the Obama campaign is playing as patriot’s week, in honor of the Fourth of July.
In today’s edition of The Note, I take a look at the foreign travel that’s dominating the candidates’ schedules in the coming weeks. John McCain heads to Columbia and Mexico this week, and as Jake reported over the weekend, Obama next month will travel to Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Jordan, England, France, and Germany.
I think it’s fair to say that by the time this campaign is through, the major-party candidates will have had their passports stamped more often than their counterparts in any previous American campaign. It’s particularly jarring in that, by emerging consensus, the economy/jobs/gas prices are subsuming national-security/Iraq/terrorism as front-burner issues.
Yet foreign policy is another general issue area (like the economy) where both Obama and McCain are relatively comfortable seeing the election based on, as long as it’s on their terms. By conventional wisdom (though not by unanimity) a greater emphasis on national security and foreign affairs is an advantage for McCain, who has far more experience in this realm, and would love more of a focus on his war-hero biography.
That’s one reason for these Obama trips — to press his advantage, instead of letting McCain own the issue — but a few things are worth keeping in mind:
First: The RNC’s relentless pressure on Obama over the fact that he hasn’t visited Iraq since 2005 clearly plays into his decision to go this summer; therefore, the trip will be viewed at least in part through that lens.
Second: Obama has a real challenge to overcome with his Iraq plan. As George Packer lays out in The New Yorker, he cannot in good conscience (or good politics) ignore progress on the ground in Iraq — and if he does that, he’ll be putting himself under more pressure to modify his one-brigade-a-month troop-withdrawal plan.
Third: Foreign trips are gaffe minefields. Local reporters will ask about obscure issues. Foreign-based US journalists know this stuff better than their domestic colleagues, and will press on details from a candidate who is still learning this stuff. (Ask John McCain, who seemed to confuse Sunnis and Shiites during a stop in Jordan in March, about how a slipped word can kill a day spent abroad.)
As for McCain, his campaign likes seeing him in other countries, looking like a head of state — but one can’t help but wonder whether this time would be better spent visiting US states — you know, the kind with electoral votes and all.
What do you think? Who wins and who loses with all these foreign trips?
– Rick Klein
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I agree. America will win if McCain is the President.
Hillary 2012!!!
Posted by: Bridget | June 30, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Go Hillary, Go JM!
No Obama ever! He is unqualified and a slum lord. His wife hates America
Just say no to the far left wing BHO.
Posted by: al | June 30, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Another Hillary supporter for McCain here, and there are millions of us who aren’t fooled by the arrogant, elitist, sexist, empty-suited, flip-flopping, teleprompter needing, racial-church attending, whose bitter wife hates America Obama.
McCain is the right choice for America in 08….Hillary in ’12!
Posted by: PK | June 30, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
You guys just crack me up!
America will LOSE under a Repub POTUS.
McCain will drive this country further into war, further into economic crisis, further off the world stage.
But hey, you all didn’t learn from the last 8 years. 4 more should do the job and finish off America once and for all.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
can we just clarify that the small amount of people who are denegrating all the other Hillary supporters who put their country ahead of their own self-centered anger and whacked grudge bologne…
are not fooled by facts…they are only fooled by their own blind spite…like a 5th grader.
Obama will be President despite the human weakness that you show…which is part and parcel of what got Bush elected in the first place.
duh.
Posted by: dl | June 30, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
And then there’s that nasty issue of Family Values for John McCain. Let’s see something on that while your at the helm.
Let’s deal with John leaving a crippled wife after his service, let’s talk about his marriage to a rich woman who was a drug addict.
Posted by: Dana | June 30, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
OBAMA 08 YEAH BABY!
Posted by: linda n carolina | June 30, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
I think Obama needs President Clinton and Senator Clinton with him on his “TRIP.”
They could help him a great deal, he has such a huge problem when he is away from his teleprompter. They would whisper the right thing to say in his big floppy ears, he is such a puppy.
Posted by: HP Boston | June 30, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
The national issues amplify the divided electorate. Foreign visits emphasize the topics on which there is more unity so it is worth taking the hiatus time between now and the convention to attempt to seize these issues and bulwark a lead. In a race that is likely to be very tight at the end, some early gains are worth getting.
When Jan Wenner goes on CNN and tells us Barack is Better Because He GETS Bob Dylan, then we know the generational guilt-nostalgia has overcome any semblance of reason in picking a candidate. The office is being sold to the best image campaign.
Now, will the electorate buy this or did the relentless pounding of Hillary Clinton wake them up to the nonsense? We’ll see.
Posted by: len | June 30, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
ultimately obama will be indicted and will end up serving time
Posted by: al | June 30, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
as we go along this election season,
it will slowly sink into the conscience of the american voter, as we watch and listen to obama or mccain,
what a mistake we have made, with either obama or mccain.
many will be in denial,and will not admit it, and will defend their choice in face of the fact neither mccain or obama are really up to the job of POTUS.
just like the many who voted for geo. bush the second time. (I think he actually lost the first election-and the supreme court ruled in favor of him-because it is padded that way)
and now what do you hear from people who actually voted for bush say?
“Sorry”
I think we are in for a lot of “Sorry”
with either mccain or obama.
this is a further dumbing down of the presidency. It started with bush, and will continue with obama or mccain.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
So, Ohioans and America was flat out lied to about the NAFTA saga. Seems Obama now supports NAFTA without any changes. Bob Barr is looking really good right now.
Posted by: Ron | June 30, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
it really makes no difference where they are at home or overseas,
we as a people will realize that everytime either gets before a mike, we will have to keep fingers crossed, and be on pins and needles hoping they just don’t mess up. regardless of whatever stupid thing they maybe saying, we are to the point-”please, just don’t mess up
It is a pain to the intellect to have to listen to mccain or obama.
obama says NOTHING better than anyone i know. He is absolutely GREAT at it.
and mccain-oh my god. mccain, forget it.
if none of the above were on the ballot in the fall.
none of the above would win in a landslide.
and they both are boring in their own particular way.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
ron said:
So, Ohioans and America was flat out lied to about the NAFTA saga.
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Ohio….trust me, Michigan is circling the drain and going down FAST!
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
as i read all of the post here, it is clear, all on here realize the only thing to do is this petty bickering about birth certificates, and where someone was born, because there really is NOTHING to either mccain or obama,
they will less than average as president,
saying obama will be better than bush,
is really not saying anything, ANYONE
WOULD BE BETTER THAN BUSH.
so please stop using that line in defense of obama.
and mccain, oh my god, mccain…
With mccain or obama as president the american people will suffer
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
If John McCain won’t talk to to countries like Iran that are unfriendly to us, then what foreign policy options does that leave him?
PERPETUAL WAR
Posted by: John's Conscience | June 30, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
I used to really respect McCain’s war hero status until he started using it in his campaign ads. I don’t think it makes him better suited to handle our foreign policy. He was/is for the war in Iraq and doesn’t have a plan to bring the troops home. For him, as long as they’re not getting killed, they can just stay there. That’d be fine with him. And he will not use diplomacy to deal with Iran. He will just bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. If Bush doesn’t beat him to it.
I’m going with Obama who will bring common sense to our foreign policy. McCain, McWar, McDraft. No thanks.
Posted by: cincyr | June 30, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
In a clip I just saw of Obama in November 2004 after winning his Senate seat, he says he will not run on a national ticket soon because he is just not prepared or ready and he knows it. I guess by November 2006 he decided that rational self evaluation should be tossed to the wind like so many of his other pledges.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | June 30, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
The foreign trip could backfire if it only manages to shed more light on Obama’s “experience” problem through perhaps a verbal gaffe or controversial comments in the war zones.
Posted by: matt | June 30, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
hope,
maybe it’s because this nation had fallen so far in the two years since he made that statement. It’s because we can’t wait, we need someone NOW, right NOW. Not in 2012, but in 2008.
Bush is ramping up to invade Iran. It will happen. Who is going to serve? Who else will die? McCain agrees with Bush.
We are in terrible trouble….
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
W, you wrote: “…and now what do you hear from people who actually voted for bush say? ‘Sorry’.”
Not from me! I thank God that George W. Bush was ELECTED TWICE. President Bush has shown incredible courage in taking his stand against the Islamic extremists. He is couragous in sticking to his core principals even when the wind of public opinion shifted. President Bush realizes that the only way to win this jihad against Western Civilization is through the spreading of democracy throughout the Middle East; solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with the two-state solution; and eliminating the Islamic academic curricula of hatred of Israel and western culture. President Bush also realizes that winning this jihad will require much patience and incredible sacrifice.
Posted by: James Danley | June 30, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Should be “courageous.”
Posted by: James Danley | June 30, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
President Bush also realizes that winning this jihad will require much patience and incredible sacrifice.
Posted by: James Danley | Jun 30, 2008 10:50:41 AM
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Yea, sacrifice of US tax dollars and US soliders lives.
Not so much for Halliburton.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
hopesprings,
i agree with you, which tells me, mr. obama had it right when he said he was not ready. and i don’t doubt that HIS plan was to further educate himself and expand his political resume’.
So what happened?
Dashle, kerry, dean, bradley and co.
(far left wing of dem. party)started GROOMING obama for the presidency.
Mr. obama really does not have much of a political record that he could sit down and look at and say “I have done all of this,prepared myself, and now i am READY to be president.
no these people convienced him he could be president, with their help.
we the american people will suffer for it.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
jmc663, NO, Sen. McCain doesn’t see how it matters that he hasn’t personally pumped his own gas! Of course the price of gas matters! Why else do you think he is admant about removing the ban on offshore drilling!
Posted by: James Danley | June 30, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
James,
The point of the reporters question was to see if McCain knows how much it would cost an average American to fill up their gas tank.
McCain needs to understand how much the price of gas is eating into the family budget.
We have a consumer driven economy and if we can’t afford to keep buying things, our economy will keep falling.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
well obama from his own mouth said he was not ready, so what did he do to change?
someone posted that maybe obama saw how the country has gone down in the last two years since he said he was not ready.
so he saw the country worsen and he thought, “well i said i was not prepared, i am not prepared, but i will run for president anyway”
i see that as being all most like
a building is burning and there are qualifed firemen there, but because i see it is getting worse i say
I am going to run in and try to put out the fire. knowing full well i am not a fireman.
it is plain from the post here, you all know you this election is and has been out of the hands of the people,
and we will all suffer for it.
that is why you all keep attacking each other, and saying rude things about each
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
the firemen are not inept.
just as we had many good people up there running for president, biden, richardson,
but who do we have now, the most inept of all candidates for president. and he will probally win.
and the american people will suffer.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
We the American people HAVE suffered under the Republican Bush Admn. Since McCain agrees with Bush on 90% of his programs and has said that the economy has done better under Bush, he is an extension of the Bush programs. America wants change; which ain’t McCain!
Posted by: Javalation | June 30, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
I think it will help Obama a great deal to be able to speak of these places on a first hand basis. As far as the progress in Iraq. I do not consider it progress that we send more troops and the result is that the violence is down. That does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that you put more troops they will behave. So I really do not consider that a success.
Posted by: marie | June 30, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
marie,
The goal of the surge was not to end violence, but to allow the Iraq’s to establish a sound government.
Since that has not happened, Obama is right to say the surge is not working.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
not blind at all,
looking at all of the facts presented,
we have the least running for president. and while they are doing what ever either gets in to office doing, we will suffer.
mccain offers nothing new,
and obama will be to busy paying back political favors-before he really gets to the PEOPLES business.
people claimed it was a bling assertion for the people who said the same thing about bush. but it proved to be right.
we will suffer.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
jmc. I know. I agree with that. I was saying that I do not agree with the people who say that the surge is working. It is not.
Posted by: marie | June 30, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
only Senator Clinton is capable of being the best President that our children, our troops, our country and our world desperately needs right now….its on you if you think such parties are irrelevant
Posted by: chris | June 30, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
McCain in 2008, Obama is only taking these trips for political gain, and meeting with France, pleazzzzzze!
Remember Hilary Supporters if Obama wins then Hilary is out of ever running again!!
Posted by: spock | June 30, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
chris wrote:
only Senator Clinton is capable…
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Who?
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
spock wrote:
Remember Hilary Supporters if Obama wins then Hilary is out of ever running again!!
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Please…after her crying and whining about everything and her supporters tiny temper tantrums, it will be a long time before anyone gets solidly behind another woman candidate for POTUS.
She should have been Margaret Thatcher, instead she was Shrinking Violet.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Head of state trips makes sense if the U.S. is still the leader of the free world.
Are we?
If we are, the U.S. President needs to be able to press his foreign policy agenda abroad too. If he needs to do that, he needs foreign allies.
Bush didn’t make us many friends. The next president should get started sooner rather than later.
Posted by: Genna | June 30, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
spock and chris,
hillary is out.
so leave her out.
don’t try and change this suject of obama and mccain.
thanks to all of you we have who we have and all of us need to start letting that fact sink in.
we have obama and mccain.
so lets all focus on obama and mccain.
hillary is back at work in her day job.
spock,
obama does not need or want sen. clinton,
try to leave the hillary stuff out now.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
What do you think? Who wins and who loses with all these foreign trips?
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I think the locations each candidate are going to will be very telling.
Obama is hugely popular in Europe.
And after a recent trip to Mexico, I can tell you that Mexicans are less than enthused about McCain.
I foresee enormous crowds for Obama and crickets chriping for McCain.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
so now it is all about the crowds one or the other will draw…
sad state of affairs.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
i am reminded of the scene in young frankenstein,
and marty feldman saying
“He’ll be very popular”
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
so now it is all about the crowds one or the other will draw…
sad state of affairs.
Posted by: w | Jun 30, 2008 12:12:12 PM
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Use your head just a little, it goes to show what the rest of the world thinks of the candidates.
McCain is not a favorite on the world stage. He is seen as Bush III and is all for invading Iran. That will probably start WWIII, since Iraq and Russia and China will most likely side with Iran. Not to mention Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
Obama is seen as one who will use diplomacy first, something the rest of the world advocates.
The world has seen enough cowboy diplomacy.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
seen as is the operative words,
because he has no past to base anything on. if he will actually do what he says he will do or not.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
jmc663, you still take the comment out of context. IF Sen. McCain doesn’t remember when he pumped his own gas the last time, he certainly won’t remember how much it cost the last time he did pump his own gas. IF the reporter wanted to know whether Sen. McCain knew what the average person is currently paying for his or her gas he should have asked THAT question. Instead the reporter asked how much did it cost Sen. McCain the last time he pumped his own gas!
Now then, Sen. McCain should have realized this was a trap and expanded on his answer instead of just saying, “I don’t see how it matters (that I don’t recall when I pumped my own gas or how much it cost back then).” He should have just answered with: “The question you really are asking is whether I understand the pain of the American people. YES, I know they are paying over $4.00 per gallon of gas…and that’s why we need to drill here and drill now”
Posted by: James Danley | June 30, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
and please, just for today,
spare me the abe lincoln obama comparisons.
when obama had a chance make a difference on the foreign stage-being on the sub committee. what did he do
said he had to start running for president.
well at least after this he will not be able to say he didn’t do, or could not do because he was running for something.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
when was the last time obama pumped gas?
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
. YES, I know they are paying over $4.00 per gallon of gas…and that’s why we need to drill here and drill now”
Posted by: James Danley | Jun 30, 2008 12:24:40 PM
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But what precisely would that do to the price of gas NOW? Nothing. Most experts agree that we would not see anything from off-shore drilling for at least 5 years.
The USGS states that there are over 6,000 oil leases not currently being explored by the oil companies. John McCain wants to drill off-shore but the oil companies don’t. This is another gimmick.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
we american’ all, really need to rearrange our lives so we as a people have LESS dependency on oil in the first
place.
I hope the oil prices and gas will continue to go up. it will FORCE us to start living differently.
lessen the need for gas in your personal lives will help us get off the oil.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Obama is running as far away from a debate or town hall as he can… even at NALEO they spoke at different hours. It’s a good tactic for Obama… but it does not help the Indie voter, which, I suppose, is the strategy.
Posted by: smartprimate | June 30, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
when was the last time obama pumped gas?
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Don’t know, but I bet he’d remember. McCain seems to feel that if it’s not something he knows or remembers, it’s not important. Now that’s an elitist!
Posted by: Javalation | June 30, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
Obama is running as far away from a debate or town hall as he can…
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That’s because John McCain can’t draw a crowd if they gave them free bingo tickets.
Obama doesnt want to give McCain a larger platform, nor should he. McCain is the one who backdown from the town hall meetings, when he couldnt stack the audience with NeoCons.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
I think Obama will have a Kennedyesque sort of welcome in Europe, in contrast to the Bush visits and McCain’s. His visiting of Europe will rekindle the almost forgotten days of international respect.
Posted by: kat | June 30, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
jmc663, and what does waiting 22 years for the demand of alternative fuels to overtake the demand for oil do for the price of gas now? NOTHING as well. However, IF we rescend the ban of offshore drilling and open up the areas 50-200 miles offshore AND begin the process of increasing the supply of our own domestic oil (which includes immediately beginning to build dozens of new refineries); ALONG with expanding the research on alternative fuels (and the immediately beginning to build nuclear plants); THAT sends a message to OPEC that within 20 years we will no longer need ANY of their oil. That will also send a message to the oil speculators that the price of OPEC oil will soon be irrelevant to the American consumers!
Most of the 6,000 oil leases are on national parks and national monuments, subject to environmental laws and restrictions that make drilling prohibitive. The granting of oil leases does NOT exempt the oil companies from having to file environmental impact statements for any well that they propose to drill. Oil leases are for 10 years. Many of these areas had initial exploration years ago and are determined to have little or no oil OR are just too costly to drill.
But there is another problem. We have NOT had a new oil refinery built in over 20 years. Attempts to build new refineries have been consistently blocked by the environmentalists and the Democrats. Increasing our supply of oil will do nothing unless we also increase the capacity to convert oil into gasoline. That is why we also need to immediately begin building new refineries.
Posted by: James Danley | June 30, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
James wrote:
But there is another problem. We have NOT had a new oil refinery built in over 20 years. Attempts to build new refineries have been consistently blocked by the environmentalists and the Democrats.
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And by the people who are living where the refineries are to be built.
Where do YOU live? Can we put the refinery in your backyard. Have you ever been near a refinery? We have one here in Detroit and a friend lives near it. Let me tell you, it’s horrible. Tehy can’t keep anything outside for long and no plants will grow in their yard. And they are raising children in that atmosphere. And my friend had 3 miscarriages. I don’t know for sure if the two are related, but I know I wouldnt take a chance with my childrens lives, would YOU?
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
I also hope Putin doesn’t size him up as a lightweight and decide it is time for Russia to invade Iran to stop the exporting of Muslim terrorism into Russia.
Kennedy’s visit looked good in the news. The political repercussions took us to the brink of WWIII. Remember, we only have one left.
Posted by: len | Jun 30, 2008 12:57:04 PM
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Bush is ramping up operations in Iran, a clear sign that he intends to invade.
Putin will stand with Iran if the US invades. He has made that very clear. So will China.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Len- ” I hope Putin doesn’t size him up as a lightweight and decide it’s time for Russia to invade Iran . . .
Since Russia and Iran presently have an oil partnership, I doubt if Putin has any interest in invading Iran for oil. There’s some speculation that it’s a US interest for that. It’s debatable that the traditional Muslim countries, which were once Soviet satellites, need or receive provocation from Iran.
Paraphrase: “Kennedy brought us close to WW3. ..”
Kennedy inherited the cold war. He’s more known historically for averting the Soviet missile crisis in Cuba than bringing the world to the precipice of WWW3.
No, Michelle Obama doesn’t speak fluent French, but neither did Jackie, who spoke some French.
Posted by: kat | June 30, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
jmc663, then don’t complain about the high price of gas!
Posted by: James Danley | June 30, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
James danley
Get over oil, im not going to make the oil companies any more money, they cant have my coasts
lets look into natural renewable resources
Posted by: bhrandon | June 30, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
I don’t like making mistakes. Retraction: Jackie Kennedy did speak fluent French!!
Posted by: kat | June 30, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
michelle does not speak french.
Posted by: w | June 30, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Bhrandon, even Sen. Obama recognizes that it will take 22 years for the demand of natural renewable resources to overtake the demand of oil. Not eliminate the demand for oil, but be above 50% of the total demand for all energy sources. Be prepared to pay $15-$20 a gallon for gasoline! Even if you are one of the lucky ones who is able to avoid paying another cent to the oil companies during the next 22 years, you — like the rest of us — will be paying 25%-50% more for your (our) groceries, electronic products, appliances and personal products.
Posted by: James Danley | June 30, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
jmc663, then don’t complain about the high price of gas!
Posted by: James Danley | Jun 30, 2008 1:24:36 PM
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First of all you didn;t answer my question….can we have YOUR backyard?
Second, drilling isn’t the answer. Breaking our dependance on foreign oil is.
Had the US taken this seriously in the 70′s we would be closer to a solution now. But we got lazy and complacent.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
michelle does not speak french.
Posted by: w | Jun 30, 2008 1:44:21 PM
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And your point is? Have you ever been to France? FYI – most people in Europe speak English and Spanish and Italian and Japanese. To name a few.
Out education system is pathetic.
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
@kat and jmc:
There is a famous quote from Kennedy about being the man who accompanied Jackie to France. DeGaulle was besotted with her. She was the jewel in the crown of an otherwise deeply flawed man who’s leadership grew but never came to fruition. He had a lot of deficits in a time when the press was good at hiding them. He had a lot of good qualities but remember when he went to Dallas it was because it was apparent he was heading for a defeat in 1964. In the myth of camelot, we tend to forget just how negative his numbers had become.
Putin might defend Iran but he might not. The CIA has said for some time that Russia has more to fear from Muslim extremism than the west. Putin can and has been a lot more draconian about holding this in check. Today Russia has lots of oil but getting to warm water ports is still desirable. The middle east remains a double edged sword for all of its sponsors.
But the point was to say that comparisons to JFK feel better now in the rosy glow of hindsight than the reality at the time. Obama needs an image and one is being created for him. The rough feeling of safety vs threat as the election draws nearer will be the determinant of which candidate is a better bet given a lack of firm convictions or qualifications.
Obama needs Clinton. It’s a hard sell but only because of arrogance in the Obama camp. Even then, I’m not sure it’s enough. I just know I would feel a lot better about an Obama administration with her in it. I don’t know if that is good for her. I know it is good for the country. We’ve rough sledding ahead and we need our best dogs at the front of pack.
Posted by: len | June 30, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
jmc663, YES I would approve of building an oil refinery in my back yard.
Now then you wrote: “…drilling isn’t the answer. Breaking our dependance on foreign oil is.”
There are only two ways to end our dependence on foreign oil. We either increase our supply of domestic oil AND/OR decrease the demand for oil (using alternative fuels). I have already said that it will take us 22 years for the demand for alternative fuels to pass the demand for oil. But without increasing our domestic supply of oil, we would still be purchasing as much foreign oil as we purchase right now. THE QUICKEST way to end our dependence of foreign oil is to do BOTH: Drill here and drill now (and increase our capacity for producing gasoline); AND producing alternative fuels.
Posted by: James Danley | June 30, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Energy? This is one where all the blind men have a piece of the elephant aptly described but badly named.
1. We need petroleum for things other than gas, eg, fertilizer. We don’t have to drive. We do have to eat.
2. It will be a combination of efforts that will reduce dependency on foreign suppliers but today that means dependency on Canada where we get most of our imports. Reducing demand can help at least shorten the pipeline but we will still be dependent.
3. We still need to drill and build refineries. See 1 and 4. If we start now, we’ll be just about ready when the real crunch hits. Today’s crunch is manipulated. The next wave will be a real supply problem not a demand problem. If it takes ten years, c’est la vie. It’s time to get truckin’.
4. High gas prices are here to stay. We hate it but we can adapt. The upside is they are forcing the needed change in our consumption habits and they are reversing globalization.
Ask yourselves who globalization actually helps in terms of profits? While this can’t be entirely reversed, transportation costs go up proportional to distance roughly and China is a very long haul. Jobs are returning to America first in a trickle but soon in a steady pour.
Debate various issues, but until the two parties issue their platforms, we’ve not much meat in this salad that can’t be taken away at the chef’s whim. Once the party platforms and VP choices are on the table, we’ll have something real to chew.
Posted by: len | June 30, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Obama is using his mind conditioning again. If he tells people he is patroitic enough times they will believe him.
He is so Pathetic.
He is the nastiest, eviliest meaniest campaigner ever to enter the presidential race. His smear campaigns on Hillary and others were the lowest you could get. Then he pretends he is mr nice guy. What nerve.
His Chicago style politics shows he is as corrupt as the rest in chicago.
Probably why he move half the DNC there, to work on them and control their minds and teach them how to be the dirtiest and meanest and lie and run a smear campiagn like the professional. Mr Eliminator knows his stuff, and it is nothing to be proud of.
Can’t you just hear him singing Rock Star
I Think all of this has gone to his head.
Posted by: seah | June 30, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
See Libs like playing both sides, they cry we need to get off dependency of Foreign oil but then they yell we can not drill here, we can not build nuclear, we can not build refineries, we can not build windmills, Like Dr. No aka Obama they say no to everything.
The minute we start drilling the cost of a barrel of oil will drop 40$ instantly, ytou ask why, it is a futures market, if more oil is coming on line then the future price will go down!! Did you notice the minute Pres. Bush gave his speech on opening ANWAR just by the speech oil dropped 5$, then the libs in Congress put a hold on it and it went back up!
We have enough oil here to last us 80 tears at full consumption for us.
The liberals are going to bankrupt this country and kill millions here, the same as they done in Africa and Soviet Union and other places!!
Posted by: spock | June 30, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
McCain has the perfect balance on the energy crisis and high gas prices. “Produce more, conserve more, invent more”. Right on!
Posted by: HoosierSue | June 30, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
McCain has the perfect balance on the war “Invade more, maim more, kill more” Right on!
Posted by: jmc663 | June 30, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
the only good thing that would come from BHO as pres is we could get rid of affirmative action LOL can’t wait.
Posted by: al | June 30, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
It’s Colombia – with two o’s – not a u. That’s Barry O’s school in NYC.
Posted by: Dave Earl Butz | June 30, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
It is no accident that Obama has refused to visit Iraq until now – only after he has sidelined Hillary. And it is the reason he needed to dispose of her quickly — to allow ample time to flip and regain favor with the far left well in advance of November. Predictably, Obama will rush to the center and likely adopt Hillary’s pragmatic views on this critical issue — just as he has on every other.
Obama’s strategy is obvious: he will make his belated tour of the Middle East and proclaim to have seen “new facts” on the ground, which necessitate change of policy. He will explain that based on these “new facts” (to which he has thus far been wilfully blind), he must modify his views and distance himself from the position that allowed him to woo the left and destroy Hillary. He has not been to Iraq in over 2 years — and he rejected McCain’s invitation to make a joint trip. Yet he will go now (one wonders how he has all this time after being in such a rush to start fighting against McCain) — notably, after the primary (in order to avoid shifting policy with Hillary still in contention) and long enough before the general to convince MoveOn.org et al to forgive and forget all his flips. According to Clark – there are oodles of time before the Democratic convention for Obama to travel to 7 nations and get his CIC training – training that even by Clark’s admission Obama cannot get on the job in November.
That’s funny — I thought the whole reason he had to bounce Hillary and compel unity ASAP was because there is so little time to fight McCain over the summer. Guess what he meant to say is that he needed all the time he could get between June and August to rush to the center, turn his [proclaimed]progressive policies on their head, travel abroad and learn how to be CIC — all with enough time left over to woo back all the supporters he ticked off along the way.
This strategy has been painfully obvious to all those who cared to pay attention months ago. Obama could not beat Hillary on the merits – so he had to adopt far left positions to capture the wing of the party that wanted the Clintons gone. The far left’s claimed disappointment in Obama’s rush to center would be gratifying, if the consequences of his triangulation were not so depressing. It does not feel good to say “I told you so” when we all pay the price for his falsity. As it stands, no one can ever know where the man really stands on any issue — all we know is that he is willing to do and say anything to win.
Iraq will be no different. Obama is not the anti-war hero he portrayed himself to be.
One thing should be patently clear at this juncture: the only “fierce urgency” Barack Obama ever had was the urgency to advance his own career.
Posted by: kdbono | July 1, 2008, 6:14 am 6:14 am
kdbono
well you have said it all, and said it very well.
what you have written today, is some of what many of us had been saying for Months.
obama is not all he claims, even with all of the grooming he has received.
it is horrible for my black community to have THIS black guy as the first black president.
because he is not ready. and it will eventually plain to black people because of his ineptness, it will be a long time before we have a black candidate again.
obama is not the one.
the dems will lose.
Posted by: w | July 1, 2008, 8:18 am 8:18 am
Certainly Obama wasn’t able to take time off from battling Clinton to visit Iraq, but one of his closest advisors, Mark Lippert, was stationed in Iraq so it’s not as if he hasn’t had some trusted input:
Meanwhile, start estimating the crowds Obama will attract in the UK, France and Germany. Clue: whatever you estimate, you’ll be low.
Posted by: Tom J | July 1, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Why are you not reporting the ACORN mess?
Posted by: Janet Lauber | October 14, 2008, 7:58 am 7:58 am
Would like to send message to my very favorite person – George Stefanopolous
Posted by: Eve Japha | November 6, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am