Rev. Pfleger: “America is the Greatest Sin Against God”

America is the only place in the world where bad exists. Yeah, right. If the U.S. is so horrible why do so many people want to come here?

McCain says he’s both episcopalian and baptist. Which is it? And where does he practice his faith. Report rather than recite.

Condemnation, as OxyCon notes, is definitely in order here. As a Catholic, it is astonishing to hear a priest talk like this. In all of my years sitting in the pews, I’ve heard the message of peace, forgiveness, and redemption. I’ve heard a little ‘fire and brimstone’ at times, but more of the usual “Catholic guilt” to look inwards and strive to right personal wrongs.
The separation of Church and State was definitely a great idea by the founding fathers of our nation.

If Obama wins the nomination – to vote democrat just to vote against a repub will be a gross mistake. All that we will hear about is hate, hate and more hate. We will also be in grave danger of losing respect for the office of the presidency with all these hate mongers hanging around and spewing hate and crying race at every turn!

Give it a break! Who cares what this guy said? Since when is a candidate held responsible for everything a pastor says, even when he is not in attendance?
And let’s also face reality: pastors many times have said controversial things. Pastors serve their vision of God, not the country.
And let’s stop acting as if criticizing America is the greatest sin. It’s not, in fact, it is distinctively American.
And in fact, sometimes those who serve the poor and downtrodden the most get the most critical in their view of America.
Grow up people!

So Obama after 20 years suddenly saw the light after this outburst from this priest is that what you believe.
Get real he was defending this church and Wright for weeks, so what is the big deal now?

It seems to me that this priest hasn’t a leg to stand on when preaching about love. Him and his church, Barack Obama, most of his supporters, Rev. Wright and his church and all the people shown on those video’s seem to have a firm grip on hate instead of love. The pictures and sounds don’t lie. Joel Osteen preaches a gospel of love, prosperity and peace. Maybe they should all shut down and head out to Osteens church next Sunday.

Jake,
Who cares what Pfleger said. Pfleger is no longer in is campaign. Just because someone knows someone doesn’t mean that everything that person says has to be “guilt by association”.
Enough

There is something not right about this race the media has all they need to make this a fair election if they wait until after Obama is our nominee we can add them to the list of low lifes .

Obama’s associations are sickening! The media did not vet the Iraq war enough and the people trusted Bush and we ended up with Iraq. Now they have not vetted Obama and he is getting shoved down our throats. OMG we need some relief from these hate mongers!

aaa:
I’m sure you’d love for Jake to go get a new story. Except the reason this one won’t go away is because your hero refuses to answer questions on the subject. And until he does, this is not going to go away.
Contrast the behavior of your savior with McCain’s when the New York Times tried to derail his campaign by publishing a bulls**, completely unsubstantiated story about his relationship with a female lobbyist. He had a press conference and took every single question until nobody had any more, and lo and behold! The story went away.
That’s how it’s done. Your candidate wants to define every story he doesn’t want to discuss as a “distraction” to shut the press up. That’s not the behavior of an American president. That’s the behavior of a tyrant.

Look if you lay down with the dogs you get up with the fleas.

Posted by: kravitz: “McCain says he’s both episcopalian and baptist”
McCain started publicizing the Baptist to please the Evangelicals.
His wife is a Baptist; however, stubborn no negotiation McCain refuses to be baptized by submersion to qualify for membership in a Southern Baptist Church.
Pfleger presentation was not the way many Americans are accustom to seeing. In my opinion, it was not a productive manner to spread the word of God.
I agree with everything he said about Hillary, except making it a racial issue. Hillary definitely thinks she is entitled and thought she had the nomination from the very beginning.

Hate breeds hate – this blog proves the point. Bishop’s comments being very apropros, I bid everyone adieu.

The Chicago Bishop needs to transfer Pfleger to Venezuela or Cuba so that he will find a country more in line with leftist views. Why can’t the Catholic Church control its priests?

All of you read all these comments every day. I guess you must all agree with the most racist and offensive things you see written here then.

What a hypocrite! He preaches about love and against racism and condemns America, then rants and raves against Senator Clinton in the most hateful way possible, making fun of her and an idiot of himself. This man has some mental probelems, evidently. In fact, I think that entire church needs some help. I cannot imagine listening to that in church and enjoying it. Is there anyplace in the New Testament where Jesus Christ shows that kind of hateful condemnation of people? I mean, where do these people GET their ideas of preaching and worship?

And we have five months to go. How many more hateful clergymen, terrorist and lord only knows what else will surface.

This is sad this guys must be mad he denounce rev. wright another attempt to take him out of the race

If a cleric stood up in my church and said anything bad about another human being, I would decide to sit home and eat bagels and drink coffee on Sunday mornings. What kind of religion is this? Where the hell do people go to church and DEMEAN other human beings?? We cannot go back to the 1960s just to make the DNC happy. As an era, it had more death and destruction than most. Am I the only one who just wants to work, make my house payment, and save the environment????

Finally, even if crude, there is dialogue on race!! No more closed doors!

And Benjamin, Michael Pfleger is A FRIEND OF OBAMA’S. He’s not some random priest who just showed up there. And your pal BO made sure that racist priest Michael got $225K in earmarks for his racist church. The problem is that everyone who is so rabid for Obama doesn’t know a thing about him.

Senator Barack Obama was fully aware that more and more excerpts from Reverend Pfleger’s racist and anti-American sermon would be making their way out to the press and public in the coming days. So, he left his church of 20 years to save his political butt from further disgrace. I never trust anyone that is put up so high on a pedestal without deserving being put up there in the first place. There is no way in heck that Barack did not play an active part in mocking whites during his church services. Just by sitting in the pews during these hate-filled sermons was enough. I am dumbfounded that this empty opportunistic suit may actually be our next President. It is extremely sad.

When will BO throw his beloved white grandmother under the bus? Did he not say that he could no more renounce the Rev Wright than his grandmother for holding racist views. Be clearabout one thing BO is a Marxist or at least a Marxist sympathizer.

That a totally empty suit like Obama could be seriously entertained by so many as POTUS shows just how low into a sorry state of ignorance this country has fallen.

Racism (a genetic safeguard) is just
as active and powerful in the black
community as it is in the white
community… and always will be.
It’s weird how folks don’t see that.
Those who think otherwise are naive,
brainwashed, and blind. Wake up. Get
off of your moral highchairs. It’s
getting old!
To put it into perspective… imagine
Obama as WHITE. Do you really believe
he’d still be able to run for President
if he were… and belonged to a church
that spoke anti-US, anti-White, etc?
What-ever!
Like I said, get off of your moral
highchairs! From way up there, you
don’t seem to be able to see anything.

hey Obamabots, here are the reasons why Pfleger is closely associated with Obama:
1) Obama and Pfleger have been close friends for 20 years;
2) Obama has given over $200,000 in earmark funds to Pfleger.
3) Obama named Pfleger as his “moral compass” in a Chicago-Sun Times article from 2004.
4) Pfleger was on Obama’s advisor committee until 2 weeks before this sermon when he voluntarily stepped down.

Concerns about Obama:
1. Way too many Obama fundamentalist supporters. He’s like a god to them and woe to anyone who hints at a criticism of him.
2. He’s too “handled.” We’ve just had 8 years of a puppet president directed by right wing extremists. Now the old boys of the Democratic party are serving up Obama as someone they can direct and control. And the ministers who have guided him are just a further indication of this.
Only Hillary is strong enough to be her own person in this race – both in experience and in judgement.

this guy sounds like a loser to me; a white dude bashing whites in front of blacks. And I can’t believe all the cheering and clapping from the worshippers. Can anyone tell me that while in this Church, obama and his friends don’t cheer and clap?
How much can obama really love America if he has tolerated close friends like this guy and Wright?? Funny how obama wear the flag pin every single day. It’s blind for anyone not to be able to see that obama is a fake. He is forced to put up a show to be a american-lover. He’s just a very liberal person and has been proved as such.
he made another speech and this time about him leaving church. He said that he won’t find another church until after January. Well, I bet he’s going back to Trinity then.

I just want to make clear that Saint Sabina has no affiliation with the Roman Catholic Church. It is it’s own entity. Priests are not called Reverend they are called Priest or Father.

How do you resign from a church???? That’s your question??? Obviously you have never been a member of a church. You stop paying your dues or your building fund, you stop sending your children to their Sunday School, and you stop attending services. Does that answer your question?

If one takes all of Senator Obama’s close associates and adds them up it is not a pretty picture. In fact, looking at Obama and his assocates, I would say the proper discription is EVIL.
He certainly does not deserve the trust of the American people.

its typical obama style politics–the new kind of politics he has been promising. get one of your surrogates to attack your opponents. then you distance yourself from them and denounce them. your hands are clean as you have just thrown these people under the bus while the damage done is still standing. not very presidential behavior but the obama cult doesn’t care

Obama supporters
When RNC releases Whitey Video, Obama will throw his beloved racist wife Mchelle too.

Harold Reimann, Are you an Obama supporter? You sure sound like one.

For the first time in the history of presidential politics, we have brought the politics of division into our churches. A lot of us may be enjoying this-after all, it is not your pastor or church that is being attacked. Any pastor in a bible preaching church in this country through the years have said something that the circular world would jump up and down about. I dear to tell you that if Jesus was alive today, these same people attacking all these pastors will have him on U-2-Doing the exact same thing they are doing to these pastors. Every Christian should be concern, irrespective of your color or denomination, and should not support these new form of attack on the pulpit in the name of politics.
The role of the pastors are not to come to church and say what everyone want to here. It is their responsibility to attack social deficiencies in our society. Just because one criticizes America, does not mean one is unpatriotic. Some times, it takes patriotism to criticize one’s country. Let us keep our “got you” camera out of churches. May be we need to turn those camera to ourselves in self examination and ask ourselves if we are all God wants us to be? How do we treat our fellow human being.Are we caring for one another? are we loving one another in Christ?
I do not agree with everything my pastor says, but I love him. If their is any true Christian that have not held a controversial sermon in their church, may be you are not in a bible preaching church.Think about it and be honest with yourselves.
Benard-California

Hope am Catholic and sorry my church does not ask me to pay dues, so that is something new to me, I am also free to attend any catholic church that I wish to in any part of the world.
Even if I want to stop going to church I don’t have to inform the priest that I am not coming back, all I have to do is just stop going its as simple as that.

When will the news report on something that matters? How about the growing income gap between the rich and the poor. How about the fact the America has been bankrupted by free trade? How about America’s dismal ranking in education, infant morality, life expectancy, etc.? ABC news (along with many others)has let the public down for too long by pushing these non stories into the headlines. Go back to reporting what you are good at; the next celebrity checking into rehab.

vuzous, Obama has quit the church but refuses to denounce it. Does that mean Obama still adheres to the black liberation theology teachings of the church?

The real hatred is toward women. Note
how many “entitled” white female presidential pictures line the halls of the White House! Being a Catholic priest, I’m sure Pfleger is oblivious to the pain of women. Sexism has yet to be addressed — “entitled” ideed!

It’s amazing how Obama’s critics never want to debate the issues, because on those they will lose. Want endless war…go with McCain. Want a dead end economy that serves only the super wealthy…go with McCain. Want skyrocketing gas prices…go with McCain.
I’ve never seen such McCarthyism in my life: trying to smear someone based on what someone else has said. I am sure McCain is endorsed by quite a few crazies…including many who are racists in his own party. Of course he has his won issues with supporting pastors who’ve said crazy things.
And again…since when is it a sin to criticize America? I am sick and tired of the right wing having scared everyone, including many in the media, into thinking that it’s the unpardonable sin to criticize America. It’s not…in fact, it’s very…American.

The racist ranting priest can go on and have his career as a spiritual hate speech artist. Obama can make up whatever stories he wants to about how one “resigns” from a church without condemning it or denouncing its ill message.
But we don’t have to vote for him!

Jesus said, “render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and render unto God the things that are God’s”. What kind of pastor is this guy? He doesn’t listen to the word of God, he’s trying to get attention from the media. A true minister should not say such hateful things. It disgusts me. It sickens me even more that Obama is surrounded by these guys. It’s not just Pfleger, it’s many of his good friends, including his wife. But the media covers EVERYTHING up. That whole thing with Reverend White would never have surfaced on the news media had Obama agreed with it. Obama left the church for publicity. If he was really listening, he would’ve left long ago.

Steve- Why don’t we rename the republicans the party of uneducated racists?

Americans have become a laughing stock of the world for having elected George W. not once but twice. This President has led his country in the doldrums. And it is laughable to see Americans still using ridiculous yardsticks such as what somebody else said to elect their President. Wake up America. oR else you will be left behind while other countries advance. Your gas prices are going through the roof, your military after all the billions of dollars spent have not restored peace in Iraq nor has it succeeded in apprehending the top two of Al Qaeda. And you folks are talking about what a pastor said in a church instead of what your candidates are saying on the stump?
Lodi, lodi, lodi.

Gee, sure glad to see the Democrat election isn’t only about race and gender.

Father Pfleger was not conducting a sermon.He was ranting like a lunatic, and the rest of the lunatics off their medication were inciting him on.He should be ashamed of himself and be defrocked.Priests should call for calm,peace and love for your fellow wo/men.He behaved like an insensitive boob.Anyone who has associated with him for the past 20 years does not show good judgement,and the only leadership he should be bestowed is as dog catcher.

You can’t judge one person by the people they are surrounded by. If we did everyone in America would have to finally admit they are busy body know it alls who care more about gossip than will this person be an effective leader in a time that the economy and a costly war are in need of dire and intelligent attention.

Let me correct what I said earlier. Since he’s part of the Black liberation theology, it makes sense that he’d be ranting such stupid things.

All of you people are pathetic. She lost. Get over it. If you want to be racist, blind, ignorant servants of senseless death and suffering – then go ahead and vote for McCain just because she lost.
Stop smearing this guy. What one person says is not what another person says. And I would LOVE to get all your idiotic statements (many of them found here) and bring them up at EACH of your job interviews.
Which, in the McCain era, will be few and far between.

The important thing to assess in a candidate for political office are those candidates’ policies and how they will affect you and your community. But instead we have the molehill campaign — this preacher made a reprehensible statement, this other preacher made a reprehensible statement, did the candidate fly away from it quickly enough, appropriately enough?
We have some real problems in this country. An unnecessary war in Iraq that has ruined thousands of American lives and ended thousands of others, as well as caused hundreds of thousands of Iraqis — the most educated, the most secular — to flee their country; the conversion of our economic growth and government fiscal responsibility into astronomical deficits and an impending collapse of several major sectors of the economy caused by under-regulation of the financial sector; people! Be serious! What policies do our candidates advocate to address these?
Regarding the mortgage defaults, Senator McCain originally advocated doing nothing; letting the market do its work. This put him behind even President Hoover who created agencies to help address the housing crisis in the great depression. In the face of criticism, he changed to advocate more action. Senators Clinton and Obama have developed plans to deal with this crisis.
Regarding the Iraq war, Senator McCain originally held out for “victory,” but has since decided to pull out just after his prospective re-election, in 2013. Again, Senators Clinton and Obama view the conflict as Iraq’s responsibility and advocate a prompt phased troop withdrawal.
These should be prime issues of concern to voters. If you think you can figure out the candidates’ positions on the basis of some priest’s or preacher’s misguided fervor, then I consider you pitifully guided by the misdirection of corporate media.

Obama seems awfully cozy with traitors and terrorists. That tells us something about him and the values he holds.

Jake,
Why are you posting this post when this Pfleger is no longer part of the Obama campaign and Obama has left the Trinity Church.
Why is there such “guilt of association”.

Stacey: What you said about the supposed video is pure propaganda. There has been no info released as to its contents or whether it even exists.

Frustrated voter – I agree
In my younger days errant priests who became in the world rather than of the word were sent to places where they could be of great help Latin America, Asia, Africa, war ravaged areas – where medical etc. help was needed and where they learned humility by helping those in the greatest need. Pfleger feels very strongly about certain things – some of that feeling and energy could be helpful in the refugee camps of Darfur etc. Decades ago someone I knew well who had been doing a similar sort of thing was sent to such an area and it changed him and his life forever.
He relearned why he became a priest in the first place, that politics had no place in his life, just helping and loving people including his enemies. That is what Jesus taught – to love oneanother and not just those like ones self (good samaritan), to do unto others (all others) as you would have done unto you, and to turn the other cheek. His displeasure was directed at those who defiled his father’s house – which is what Pfleger and Moss and Wright are doing. When you preach hate and violence you get hate and violence and that is not what Jesus is about.
On a side note – regarding unrepentant Ayres and crew: one of Germany’s most beloved politicians, Joschka Fischer, began as a radical left wing activist who promoted and was involved in violent activism until the kidnapping and murder of a person. The senselessness of it caused him to abandon the scene. He later apologized to a policeman whom he had beaten. He became a Green and slowly but surely worked his way up showing himself to be someone the people could trust, and someone parties could work with. He never gave up standing up for the disenfranchised and was always much more than blunt, but he did not regret “not having done enough” of the violent activism Ayres did. But then he was not a rich man’s spoiled child who seems not to have grown up. The son of a butcher who had to flee Hungary during the Soviet occupation, he was one of the working-class.

Funny how we aren’t supposed to hold Obama responsible for his associations and yet so many in the black community want to hold whitey responsible for things that happened in the past this generation has nothing to do with. If you think the trash coming out of these bombastic “pastors” is truth you are blinded or looking for excuses period.

If you sit by and watch any human endure oppression (not just chains), then you are responsible. If your claim is, you simply have not witnessed such things, then either you don’t want to see them or quite simply you are lying to yourself.

Riddle, you make excellent points, well expressed.
I am amused that several people have referred to Pfleger’s tirades as “criticism” of the United States which is somehow as American as baseball and apple pie.
Earth to Obamatons: Instructing worshipers that the United States of America the “greatest sin against God” of all the sins in the history of the world is not what the sane among us would call constructive criticism.

Ronnie,
Obama didn’t sit in Pfleger’s church so you don’t know what you are talking about. Pfleger is a Catholic priest who has his own Catholic church.

Nice try Senator. I could be wrong but I think if these things hadn’t been brought to light you’d be sitting in the Amen Corner at Trinity. I like you but not for my president.

I left the Catholic Church years ago because I couldn’t agree with some of their political positions. It broke my heart but I felt compelled to do so.
How could Sen Obama have stayed an active member of that congregation for so long? How disappointing.

Tom, Obama is not an apostle of black liberation theology.

This is not a useful piece of information.
Though it may keep you in a job, pushing inessential information.
Hillary did not know of Bill’s philandering, right? Right.
Obama is responsible for a Catholic priest’s rants?????

Gblane:
“If you sit by and watch any human endure oppression (not just chains), then you are responsible. If your claim is, you simply have not witnessed such things, then either you don’t want to see them or quite simply you are lying to yourself.”
Does that go for the oppressed Iraqis that our soldiers risk their lives to help each and every day? Like that woman and daughter who were both the victim of honor killings in the last few days?
I didn’t think so. Because you and your messiah want to take our soldiers OUT of Iraq so that those people will fall back under oppression.
Your hypocrisy is suffocating.

Every single criticism against obama is labeled “distraction”. He has never fully answer any questions. Has he ever lay out his plans on how to withdraw the troops? lower gas prices? creating more jobs (by the way, the jobs were not taken away because of NAFTA, these jobs go to China)? So for all of obamaniacs, we can discuss issues too. But what can you tell me of what obama going to do with these issues?? besides raising taxes and sharing our pies.

So there are at least two explicitly political messages broadcast from the pulpit of this “church.” Why has no one raised the point that this should cost the institution its tax-exempt status, since it is clearly not a religious ut a political organization?

The issue is his judgement and character. Can he control or take responsibility for what others say? No. But he just like all of us makes choices about who he will associate with. Like reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, reverend Pfleger, it’s Obama’s judgement that needs to be scrutinized. That’s not racism, that’s just looking at the man through his friends and trying to get at what he believes and stands for. Why is that wrong, since he wants the most powerful job in the world? Liberals and leftisits seem to have a problem when questions are raised. We haven’t scratched the surface with this guy, and guess what, there will be more. The spot light needs to be turned way up.

Leave organized religon OUT of the whole process

Every time you argue with someone that supports Obama, they call you rascist. Whether or not Obama wants to destroy rascism, it has backfired. The same thing was with Hillary. The first sign of Hillary losing, America was suddenly sexist. I deeply respect my mother and my sisters. I deeply respect African-Americans. I just don’t agree with Hillary and Obama. It’s politics.

Concerned American, Sorry you cannot rewrite economic truths. Higher taxes are either passed on by businesses to you and me or businesses tighten their belt by laying off people or just plain go out of business. As to what government does with the money they confiscate from the so called rich. The money goes to pay for the salaries of a bunch of faceless self interested government workers or into the pockets of frauds like Rezco. Think about it, the government does not produce anything, your food, your clothing, your shelter, nothing. Government just takes takes takes and turns all of us into serfs of the government with little or not self respect. Billions of dollars were poured into one of the most hailed government programs of the Dems, “The great society” and there are just as many poor people now as back in the 60s. The school system is run by the Dems and the Unions and billions of dollars have been spent and our educational systems is worse not better. I could go on and on. Just don’t waste more money on failed government programs that are for the most part failures. Please see the truth about the delusion that government is the answer to all your problems. It is not. Government is the problem it is not the answer.

Growing up my parents use to say to me, “Dime con quien andas, y te digo quien eres.” “Tell me who your friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are.” Unfrtunately, Senator Obama has for the past 20 years had very close relationships with people who want to destroy our country. This indicates a total lack of judgement

Beware Pfleger – The US citizens have a long history of willful ignorance. OF COURSE racism exists still. Certainly it does. It is not as blatant as it used to be in the 60′s, but it is there still. You can see it in the whitehouse. You can see it on the nightly news. The only place I cannot see it today is perhaps in my sons school where the children are strictly forbidden to act so foolish. But, you call a spade a spade in the USA today, and you will be villianized and slandered in return. The people here are infected with pride. This pride has numbed them for generations to the atrocities we have committed in order to be where we are today. Perhaps GOD does work in mysterious ways.

vuzous, If Obama is not an apostle of black liberation theology why won’t he “denounce” his church? Perhaps because Obama is an apostle of the teachings of his church of which he was a member for twenty years.

No one should be counted as bad guys, Xhen Chenchu. Although I disagree with Obama and Pfleger, they are definitely not evil.

The hypocrisy of those who want to condemn Barak Obama. I guess McCain, has no problem with any minister endorsements, McCain does not appear to attend church regularly but he’s given a pass.
Do any of us want to be judged by what our friends say? Of course it doesn’t represent us – unless we are running for President. All of you who are so pure should put yourselves out there and run for President if Obama isn’t good enough for you.
Hillary’s gutter tactics are applauded while we condemn the one candidate in memory who does take the high road.
This country deserves George W. Bush because we don’t want better. When you complain about President McCain remember you get what you deserve.
I don’t think we want better because we don’t want to be challenged to be better ourselves. So sad. God forgive us individually and collectively.

With respect to this story, I am Catholic, and I want to encourage all Catholics on this blog to call the Archdiocese in Chicago and tell them this idiot has no more right to wear a collar than the pedophile priests did.
Obama will never get the Latino vote, because Hispanics consider the church and the altar of God as sacred.

Reality is tough to swallow for many so your suffocation is expected and therefore understood. Perhaps in the process of addressing your own discomforts, you will take a sincere moment and consider that of others. Human suffering and injustices need not always be settled at the end of a muzzle. Clearly it is not always the solution. At this day and time, if you so choose to believe that we invaded Iraq to end humane suffering, then you have been perusing about the past almost eight years with your head in the sand. But by all means – continuing beating your head against the wall. I feel for all human suffering and as a 2 time combat veteran I have seen my share. If you want to do good – start here in America. Support a draft so our military can do the work so many find essential without bringing itself to the brink of ruin. If you want war, then stand up and fight. Pumping fists and adhering bumper stickers is not enough. That is hypocrisy! Get all worked up about the number of Illinois prisoners with death and life sentences now found to be innocent. So again – if you feel sickened I understand, but you are hardly alone.

John Teal says, “do any of us want to be judged by what our friends say?” No, we should not be judged by what they say. We should be judged by who our friends are. Choosing the right friends indicates judgement. Senator Obama has for the past 20 years called radicals who want to destroy our country, his friends. Either bad judgement or “Naiveté”

FOB, You are pretty ignorant of history. President Carter talked to Iran during the hostage crisis for months and it got him nowhere except Iran being emboldened and demonstrating in the streets with signs calling America “the great Satan”. So much for talk. It took President Reagan to make Iran realize that talk was over and some serious action was about to take place for our hostages to get released. Please learn some history. We do not need another Carter in the White House.

Obama says he’ll change everything!
How? and to what?
Surrender? More Racism – but from the WHITE House?
Reparations for sure!
Taxation like never seen before!
Social Programs experimenting with our children, savings, security….
Supreme Court appointments of CRAZIES approved by the Democrat controlled Congress!
God Help Us…we can’t!

gblane, you say:
“If you sit by and watch any human endure oppression (not just chains), then you are responsible. If your claim is, you simply have not witnessed such things, then either you don’t want to see them or quite simply you are lying to yourself.”
“If you sit by and watch any” so called religious rant and preach hatred for nigh unto 20 years without protesting until it serves your OWN base political ambitions “then either you don’t want to see them or quite simply you are lying to yourself.”

Once again, we delve into the whole rascism and sexism thing. Can’t we understand that you don’t have to disike someone by being rascist or sexist?

This is exactly the reason we have separation of Church and State.
To boot… this priest is absolutely a traitor to his country. Anything he has to say should be held as suspect. Period.

Stacey:
And you know for a fact HOW that this is what Michelle is saying in the alleged “Whitey” video?
And if that is really all that she’s saying, why don’t they just release the video themselves and put all of these rumors to rest?

Ziggy – I hear racist, sexist, and religious inappropriateness every day. I’m not quitting my job. I know felons, but I am not one. I know people who can not read, but that does not make me illiterate nor them. I know people who do not agree with their parents views, but they do not disown their parents. I have friends who respectfully diverse views on many things. A few bad priest did unmentionable things to children. Does it make sense for me to condemn the church for the actions of individuals?

Most of the things you said at that final paragraph, “white person”, conflict with my beliefs. I dislike Obama not because I don’t want a black in the White House, but because his ideas conflict with mine. I have nothing to be ashamed of.

I admire Hillary, for her courage and resiliance. So sad, she will not get what she deserves. Obama is a man not only lacks experience and qualification, but also a man without a spine. Under pressure, he changed his talk-without-precondition stance, he resigned from his church, and now he only starts his training by going to Iraq. I was once angry that Obama used all the tactics to win. now I more detest this guy, and feel stronger everyday that I didn’t make wrong decision when I voted for Hillary. When Novebmer comes, I will not cast a vote.

even people who are very much against bush are starting to realize that they will rather have bush in the white house for a third term than ever allow obama to get in there….barack must be the dumbest politician in this country (bush is a lot smarter than this idiot).

I don’t really think any candidate is fit to be president. But this time will pass. It always does. In the future, we will have a great president, then we will have a bad president. That is the cycle of American politics. It’s good, then bad, then good, then bad.

Obama’s apologist supporters seize upon the race-card aspect everytime he is questioned.
Race has absolutely nothing to do with poor judgement, inate hate, blasphemy, lame apologia, misogyny, anarchistic persuasions and inclinations, and blame laying.
Race is the least relevant aspect in this equation.
Jugement, associations, disdain for the consequences of such and a complete lack of competence have absolutely nothing to do with race, religion, nor ethnicity.
Persons of any persuasion, or any category, can be guilty of negative behavior and associations.
In this case it is Obama. You could paint him blue and it would change nothing.
The problem is his judgement, his ego, his ambition, and his refusal to accept responsibility for anything.
The hue of his skin is irrelevant!

Steve J.–
You probably don’t have anything to be ashamed of. You’re right, I should not have painted so broad a brush stroke. But I would contend that some commenters are racist. Like ‘Lyn.’ I quote her:
“Fools. The most unforgiving and racist people on the earth are blacks.”
Now that is racist. And then she has the audacity to quote Booker T. Washington.

I completely agree with you, whiteperson. People can be rascist and not realize it. I know many African-Americans who are the most honest and respectable people I know.

Tom, who this man calls his friend(s) is an issue. The next story coming out is about the earmarks for Rashid Khalidi. What is he going to become the Middle East advisor in the Obama White House? Everyone thought in 2000 that Bush couldn’t hurt anything. What power did the President have, right? I think Bush has proven beyond belief what one person’s screwed up thinking is capable of.

One more for the night: LongHornMama…so, it appears you are in favor of Clinton because she is a woman and would prove to your daughters that a woman can, indeed, be president? Okay, got that…But gee, what if the female candidate had been, say, Rosie O’Donnell or Whoopie Goldberg?
Um, did I say I was voting for Obama, dear? I’m a registered Republican who has often voted across party lines. I have not decided on my presidential vote yet–largely because Sen. Clinton’s egotistical “I’m-too-tough-to-quit” attitude has kept us from the REAL issue–the presidential race. I am also an intelligent woman who has for decades tracked both Bill and Hillary Clinton’s histories, personal as well as professional.
Therefore, I would never, ever vote for HRC.

So you’re saying that although their words were hateful, they should still be rewarded for their hard work? That makes no sense at all. Jesus was crucified because at the time, Caesar was the holy being. Jesus didn’t gather a crowd and tell them Rome was the greatest sin in the world.

Don’t forget to tell your girls about Shirley Chisholm.

Augie Gorbea said it best below:
“Growing up my parents use to say to me, “Dime con quien andas, y te digo quien eres.” “Tell me who your friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are.”

Jesus was very radical in his teachings and constantly challenged the ruling authorities and established ways of thinking. Why do you think he was crucified?
Jesus called out the ruling class, the Pharisees, for their hypocrisy and sin. Jesus said that no earthly power had authority over him, and indeed, that the kingdoms on earth were little compared with the heavenly kingdom.
In all things Jesus challenged orthodoxy. Again, why do you think he was crucified?
America was started by radicals, as well. Thomas Paine, Jefferson, Washington, etc…all that they wrote, spoke and did were considered dangerously radical by the King of England.
When people started to question the practice of slavery in this country, that too was considered radical.
So don’t be so quick to condemn men of conscience who say some rather provocative things. It’s not a sin to criticize your country. Remember, these men serve the kingdom of God, not some kingdom of America.
And that is, in the final analysis, very American.

It’s so funny that some people condemn Pfleger for being racist, when in fact he is condemning racism! Read what he spoke, people.
I challenge anyone coming down hard on Pfleger to really look at his years of service and not be humbled by them. I challenge any Pfleger critics to dare tell us that you’ve done more to help the poor, the sick, the downtrodden.
I think when Judgement Day comes, God will be far more pleased with Pfleger’s work than most of ours.

Pleger is an ignorant fool. The USA supports the majority of third world countries on this crazy planet. We give more money to global charities than all the other continents combined. Who is outside Myanmar right now, waiting to get much needed supplies to the cyclone victims? Four US Navy ships that the government of Myanmar will NOT allow in.
Racism is not our greatest problem in America. It is political correctness, where everyone has to give up their own beliefs and ideals in order to not offend anyone ever and to conform with the rest of society. It is the liberal left who would seek to take away all our freedoms in the name of socialism.
Pfleger is a fool. The more he opens his mouth, the more he confirms this statement.

This then is the new witch hunt, the new McCarthyism.
Anyone who dares to criticize America must be rejected! How dare someone speak harshly of the good ol’ USA.
What a crock. Pfleger is a man of God, who serves the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of America.
As such he happens to have one of the best churches in the country in terms of establishing ministries that serve as social programs.
Why not report that? Pfleger is a hero. But like most heroes, when you get up close, he sometimes says things that make you uncomfortable, and is not perfect. But give me a break.
I guarantee you that if you were really suffering in life, you would rather go to Pfleger for help than almost all of his critics who so self righteously condemn him.

I’ll vote for any candidate who has a mandatory anger management clause for all Americans in their Health Plan. Some of yall need a hug.

SAM, your US History is not quite correct but not unreasoned. First President Reagan had nothing whatsoever to do with the “hostage crisis,” of the Carter Administration. Reagan was the lucky beneficiary of a serendipitous turn of events, on day one, of his administration. One more thing, he didn’t win the cold war, the Soviet Union Imploded by the weight of corruption and poor goverenence by its leaders. Again Reagan by way of serendipty gets credit; on FOX but not in the history books. Now go help someone with history, you’ve earned it.

Father Pfleger and the rest of the old neighborhood say how they see it, in this way they are more honest than the candidate they support. Obama ran a campaign of negativity, trashing Clinton’s approval number when she ran on issues. With basically a tie in the popular vote, why should superdelegates reward Obama for running a negative and divisive campaign, and not Clinton with the better chances of beating McCain.

LG,
So who makes the arbitrary judgement of who is “holy enough” to get a pass for spewing hatred???? YOU gonna make the value judgement????
You telling me (without “making allowances”) that it is entirely valid to spew that AIDS is a plot to eliminate Afro-Americans like Wright did??????
Or would you rather accept what they say or discount it based on the content of their speech.

Ziggy, you claimed that McCain’s association with Hagee and Parsley is different than Obama’s with Wright and Pfleger because McCain isn’t “sucking up to [Hagee and Parsley] for political advantage”? –Excuse me, but that’s exactly what he was doing–seeking their endorsements to curry favor with the religious right. If you’re seeking someone’s endorsement, you’d certainly owe it to yourself to consider their reputation. But Hagee is the mirror of the worst aspects of Wright and Pfleger; in his book, “Day of Deception,” he spends a whole chapter talking about America being “under the curse of God, even now,” because of support for reproductive freedom and teaching evolutionary theory. This is, among other things, why God caused American military defeats in Korea and Vietnam. Is that more acceptable than some hyperbole about damning America because of oppression by the state of whole groups of people?
“Curse”….”Damn”….”Curse”….”Damn”….hard to decide!

I don’t care who Pfleger is, but one thing I know about about him is: Pfleger is one of Satan’s Priests, he’s NOT a Catholic Priest, because, Ten Commandments prohibit the killings, But he supports Obama, a Demo(n)crat, who permits the KILLING of Million of UnBorn Children.
Posted by: Frank Tran | Jun 2, 2008 2:08:35 AM
So how does that logic square with McCain and bush’s ongoing sacrificing of patriotic american troops in war that they know cannot be won with troops alone?

Cathy in KS.
If the principal was anything like the nuns I knew as a kid (including my cousin) I would rather be hit by a truck than get that “dressing down”.

I realize that, under pressure, BHO has quit attending that hateful “church”, but after listening to such garbage for 20 years, how could he NOT be influenced?
Brainwashing or conditioning is a powerful tool. Can Obama honestly say he is immune?
Is this the background we want in a man who would be President?
How many of his hateful “friends” will be invited to the White House to “counsel” him?
Bush surrounded himself with “advisers” like Karl Rove, Scott McClellan, and others. Nixon surrounded himself with people who advised him right into impeachment. What kind of people will be riding Obama’s coat-tails into the White House?

Jim, well stated. Haranguing or inciting a crowd against America in this manner is tantamount to sedition. Since we are in wartime (even if it’s a stupid war), isn’t sedition or treason a criminal offense?

Tom, you wrote: “If there is a God, and he has all the power in the universe, why doesn’t he feed the millions of starving children on earth? Why does he just let them die? Why does he allow the body to abort babies naturally 70% of the time within the first trimester? What kind of divinely inspired anatomy is that? Were mental illnesses, and diseases all part of intelligent design? Give me a break.”
Our time here on earth is just a preparation for the hereafter — an eternity WITH God or an eternity FROM God. As humans, we naturally see, hear, taste, touch and smell based on our humanity. All our emotions are based on our humanity. But God sees things from His perspective. And we humans are really incapable of understanding His perspective. I strongly believe that God allows these things to happen because He wants us to use these experiences to grow closer to Him here on Earth. And our reward will be an eternity with Him when our humanity is done.

Rachel,
Thoughtful, thought-provoking post.

Rachael,
No, African Americans have not been happy to vote for white presidents all of this time. I mean, how can you say that? They voted because whites only ran for president. I am sure many people complained about it. (You don’t think Reverend Wright complained?) Also, all of this race talk is because whites are scared of being blamed for all of the bad in African American communities and we do wonder if a backlash is possible. I think that is what this whole race thing is about. It is fear of the unknown. An African American president is new to all and America is trying to figure it all out. We will though.
Good night ya’ll.

Obama’s apologist supporters, like Rachael seize upon the race-card aspect everytime he is questioned.
Race has absolutely nothing to do with poor judgement, inate hate, blasphemy, lame apologia, misogyny, anarchistic persuasions and inclinations, graft, and blame shifting.
Race is the least relevant aspect in this equation.
Jugement, associations, disdain for the consequences of such and a complete lack of competence have absolutely nothing to do with race, religion, nor ethnicity.
Persons of any persuasion, or any category, can be guilty of negative behavior and associations.
In this case it is Obama. You could paint him blue and it would change nothing.
The problem is his judgement, his ego, his ambition, and his refusal to accept responsibility for anything.
The hue of his skin is irrelevant!

West Texas
And why is it that folks who like Obama have to be bots ?
I dont call you a bot.

Ziggy,
Hmm interesting post:
“IF Obama gets elected ….. and IF he will be as out of his depth as some of us believe…..
His presidency might well guarantee decades of republican victory.
Dems best be REAL sure that he is as good as they are selling him.”
Bush should then guarantee decades of democratic victorys.
TRUE ??
So why are you ever trying ?

Gloria:
So you’re saying that blacks are voting for Obama on his policies? The two candidates are nearly identical on the main issues. That argument does not fly… how does a 5% policy difference equate to a nearly 85% favorability to Obama?

Ziggy…
Search it. When Obama was asked if his campaign was sexist his reply was.. they’re being hysterical!”
You can’t make this stuff up.

Ditto… nite all..

smartprimate,
“Search it. When Obama was asked if his campaign was sexist his reply was.. they’re being hysterical!”
You can’t make this stuff up.”
Yup, but HE can say such things (like calling a reporter “sweetie” and then ignoring her question. Yeah, I know he called her later but he DID it…….
But us mere mortals court disaster by such !!!!!
You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din!!
Nite-nite, play nice.

Hi bob,
Did you know, some people seem smarter when they dont say anything ?

smartprimate,
Can you give me some statements obama him self made against Hillary Clinton that are sexist ?

Neither of these men are students of God’s Word. They’re just talking heads. The Catholic Church hasn’t read God’s Word nor teach it for thousands of years. In fact, Jesus of Nazareth spoke of them as Pharasees and Saducees…hypocrites. Just like these two idiots.

Can you tell me what your post was ment to mean now west texas ?
I mean Ive just done the same as you !
What is it ment to mean ?
BS! Gloria,
Merely a script, source it!
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West Texas | Jun 2, 2008 5:01:29 AM
Kate | Jun 2, 2008 5:02:46 AM

As An Obama Adviser, How Much Of The “America is the greatest sin against God” Has Affected His Ideology?

Rev. Pfleger: America is the greatest sin against God from Political Punch reveals yet another passage from Father Michael Pfleger’s rant at Senator Barack Obama’s former church, Trinity United Church of Christ. This is someone who has been a long

Concerned Citizen, “THE MOST IMPORTANT THING,” is to assess the candidates character. In doing this it is fair to examine the agregate of features and traits that compose an indivviduals nature. In that agregate of features is their associations past and present,friends, business associates, racist mentors, and affiliation with a white hating church are all fair game to consider for any job and he’s asking for the Presidentcy of the United States of America. Leader of the Free World. So, twenty tears affiliation-no not wasn’t quick enough-expose wife and children to this racist/sexist hate fest-no, wasn’t appropriate.
Can’t fault you on your assement on the the state of affairs with regards to Iraq and the Economy. Obama says he’s going to do this and that but where is the nuts and bolts of his plans. “where’s The Beef.” I think he will have a Jimmy Carter type Administration and we can’t afford that right now. My Grandfather would say, “If your going to play hardball you have to have a pitcher.” I think several sectors of the economy have all ready started to collapse; jobs,housing, money all going downhill.
“If a man hasn’t made a million dollars by the time he;s 40; he ain’t worth much,” Hoover created agencies primarily to stop the criticism housing was an individuals problem not the governments. “Unburden taxes from the investing class and wealth will TRICKLE DOWN upon the masses. Hoover didn’t believe much in Public Assisstance and the depression did do much to change his mind. Yet he was the Food Czar that saved Europe, the Magic Man to fix the Mississippi Flood; go figure.
I seen this Lets Get Out Of War Show before. Nothing less than total victory,The boys will be home by Christmas, We’ll win and come home by xxxx,Peace with Honor, Get on the f— on the chopper we’re out of here. From experience I’ll take the later. None of the candidates are going to get us out, they can’t. Our situation in Iraq is akin to holding a rabid wolf by it’s ears we can’t hold on and we dare not let go. Thanks W.
So, Concerned Citizen, I’ll concern myself with the candidates character and I’ll have the best idea of their political positions. Enjoyed your blog very much.

ABC i think you making a mistake here, just take ur bed and park to Trinity, you people should stop fooling yourselves, that was the same old sermon but you reported it as if its now, SHAME ON YOU, ABC.

Once again, we learn Obama’s hidden heart is all about. He is not telling us direct, but his mentors do it for him. Now Rev. Pfleger propegate American sin as Iran’ leaders do.
This is a very big signal Who Obama is all about CHANGE for the American people.

Steve POW’s pretty much did what they had do to survive. I’ve had the prevlege of meeting and spending time with former POW’s from Viet Nam their wives and family and if anyone had the right to question what a prisoner did while being captive it’s they and they alone. Flying off the deck of a ship in a fighter loaded with bombs to be delivered over a hostile territory to serve your country is an act of heroism beyond reproach. Think about it Steve, mull it over for awhile I’m sure you’ll see it in a different light.
McCain lost five years of his life in defense of our country and whatever he gets from that, he’s earned.

Simply one comment: The Church has no place in politics, and vice versa.

I am amazed that some of the bloggers on this site are so savy in determining the racial percentage of the ethnic /genetic breakdown in a particular person. If you are not making a substantial amount of money to do so, SHUT UP!!! (Are you so very sure of all the diversity that exists in your family?) What is at stake here is the fact that that we can not afford four more years of republican politics and ideologies. I am quite sure that there wil be some semblence of hard felings if a particular favorite does not win. Losing is not pleasant, but those are the rules of the game…Entitlement is a very new and very dangerous, counterproductive concept. Underestimation and paternal attitudes seem to be its parents. If that is true, then we all need to declare ourselves
“emancipated minors.” HOWEVER, for those of us who declare ourselves democrats, we need to be focused on the real issues at hand…gas prices, the rising costs of food, education, the state of social security, mental health care for our citizens and especially for our our service men and women, our global state of affairs and the future of our children, especially the lessons that we teach them. Do not be distracted- Senator McCain, albeit a most honorable man, and a man who has suffered greatly in the service of this country (not unlike my son who is presently serving in the military ), is a republican war hawk. He makes no bones about that. We should have surmised by now, that we were sold a “bill of goods.” We are actively engaged in a war that was not necesary, and he has stated that he fully intends to keep us there because he ” refuses to surrender.” How can you ethically vow to remain in a situation that you never should have been in, in the first place. PTSD? HUMMMMMM (Is ther a score to be settled and if so, at what price?) Please read Scott McClellan’s book. Although I have problems with its timing, the truth is the truth and it will always come out , not matter how long it takes. USING people for ones’ own agenda is “politics as usual.” It serves no useful purpose to fight among ourselves. What is of most importance is that we do EVERYTHING in our power as citizens, to ensure that our next leader is held accountable. Our sitting president had his own agenda, and as much as we would not like to think so, advanced that agenda to the detriment of us all. This is evident in the amount that we have to pay at the pump. Is he hurting? I think not. Is the vice president hurting? We ALL know that he is not. Sadly, at the end of the day, party loyality wins over the will of the people. It is the “nature of the beast.” If you study or at least read American history, you will find that the people who founded this country, were great judges of character and they built into this new system of government “fail-safes” that would take personal opinion out of the electoral process… hence, we have an electoral college system. This system was formulated to take the emotionalism out of chosing governmental leaders. They knew,as great scholars of human nature, that human beings had a predisposition for allowing personal opinion to overshadow common good.
The people of the world have no respect for us. If you think that they do, then answer this… why would the leader of the most powerful country in the free world have to go to a middle eastern country to beg for an increase in the production of a commodity that we help to secure, only to be dismissed? We feel that kind of disdain and disreguard every day.
The fact of the matter is this…we should not have had to even consider such a posture. the idea of the president of the Unted States begging, is repulsive.
The more that we allow ourselves to be distracted by minute, insignificant,trivial issues such as race and/or gender, who goes to what church and what does that pastor say, what percentage a person’s ethinic background is, the instant that we make whether a person chooses or decides not to choose to wear an icon, a substinative criteria for fitness to govern, the more that we pout and lick our wounds because our favorite has not won, the more that we divide ourselves between black or white or red or brown, the more we lose a foothold on what is important. The anti-American faction of the world is just that… anti-American. It does not matter whether or not there were white skins or black skins or red skins of yellow skins that were wearing USA brigalia, all they cared (and care) about is that they they wore the stars and stripes… get over it!!! We, who have so much, even in hard times, are so short-sighted and stupid. There is not one American that is paying less at the pump, or that has less health care, or whose child is not affected by a lack of funding for quality education, or that has to pay substantially more to get the same amount of food, or who isn’t affected by globbal warming, or whose home isn’t in danger of forclosure because of mortgage funding disparity, that being American made a difference. We squabble among ourselves over what color he or she is, or because of what church he or she attends, or because what gender he or she is or because of what kind of education he or she received… For the most part, the other people of the world hate us because of what kind of relationship we have established and because of how we have made it our duty to impose our ideals(ideals that we do not even adhere to) upon them and because we have abused our power through inhumane sanctions. Our arrogance hurts us. We really need to “get a grip” on what is important.
The next president of the United States of America MUST be different… different in ideology , substance, policy and intent. The election of that individual must not be decideded out of rancor or bitterness or spite. Our future depends upon it… our childrens’ future depends upon it.
The hate and disregard that we show ourselves, among ourselves, needs to take a back seat. What is at stake here transcends far beyond petty posture… what hope do we have to affect a change if we hate ourselves…if we continue to tear ourselves apart. Why does the world hate us? Perhaps it is because we have set the stage for them to do so… we hate each other. How can we expect them to do otherwise? Misery, it has been said, loves company.

Thanks for the news Jake. Just like Fox …. fair and balanced. wink wink

“Members of Hillary Clinton’s advance staff received calls and emails this evening from headquarters summoning them to New York City Tuesday night, and telling them their roles on the campaign are ending, two Clinton staffers tell my colleague Amie Parnes.”
-Ben Smith (Politico)

The BO fanatics want us to believe that whatever BO gets wrong because of his past it is all the fault of the media and the public.
Nobama!

Well the Bots are having a hard time sweeping Obama and his dirt under the rug AGAIN!!!
See this will be his legacy and he never ever gets elected. He is a loser, he will never win the GE!
Never vote Obama. Anyone but Obama. ANYONE!!!

John McCain spent five years in chains listening to anti-American propaganda, and he paid a dear price.
Barack Obama spent twenty years sitting in a pew listening to anti-American propaganda, and he happily paid for the privilege.

To me it is mind boggling how big a grip religion still has on the American people. Were not and are not enough wars fought in the name of religion already? Why not leave religion (that includes sermons, endorsement and all else) out of the presidential race.
As far as the candidates go, they all have some displays of the good, the bad and the ugly. It is up to you to sift through all the reports, some biased, some not so much, and come to a conclussion to what will be best for your country.
As a spouse of a US soldier, I would like to see a Commander in Chief that is not defined by being a good christian but rather by common sense. One that is not so convinced that military power will fix more then diplomacy ever could.
But whatever your choice may be, be aware that the world is getting smaller and the US is no longer as isolated as it used to be. This means an attack like Pearl Harbor would be much easier accomplished and with this in mind you might want to consider what your choice would entail globally speaking.
As far as the sermon goes, the wording and the way it was administered was not the best choice, but nonetheless this message has some truths to it. We should not be racist and most of us still have their prejudices. But regardless of what you think about this sermon, it is not only an option but a responsibility of concerned citizens to call out what they see wrong with their country. In the current climate in the US it probably would be easier to move then to try and get out what you perceive as wrong and it takes some nerve to stand and speak your mind.
So take the sermon as it probably was meant to be, namely food for thought.

all i want to remind the obama supporter of his JIM JONES and JONESTOWN
what do these preachers do-tell the people how much everyone else is against them. and they have all the answers

Jake,
Don’t you know you cannot win, when one questions Obama?
His followers are like a rabid dog!
They toss the word, “racist”, whenever anything is brought up about him….
Just as those of us that want illegal immigration stopped, we are also called racist….it’s used when there is absolutely no argument they have!
In other words, they use it to shut one up!

so we REALLY DO NOT have a choice. when it comes to obama and mccain
because obama and everything about his history and where he came from says he does not and he has been taught why he should HATE this country.
this is a coup.
so lets compare john mccains public life compared to obama’ public life
you will see obama has spent most of his public life mostly SERVING himself.

I, being a Catholic, find that Priest’s comments very offensive…..there is absolutely no reason to curse in Church!
I care not if he’s white or black, this is not acceptable!
And, I have written the Pope! Undoubtedly, he won’t read my letter, but I’m sure his aides will.

you obama haters are so weak. In all these posts i never hear you talking about things he said or did. Its always rev. wright or some other pastors stupid remarks that go against everthing obama stands for. Racism is americas greatest sin watch. “eyes on the prize” and look at our grandmothers and grandfathers behaving like wild beasts spewing racism at people marching for peace.

I am a doctoral student studying sociology and republican and by the way I am a black male.
I personally see no problem with the racist in the democratic party so happy to vote against their own interest. Surely the intelligence level is low in the democratic party. I wish we had Huckabee or even Romney as pure republican but I’ll settle for McCain. The best thing that will help mcCain in this election is that he is not black!! If McCain were black we would be looking for any reason not to vote for him too. LOL…
Now America has a chance to look at itself for what it really is. And again AS A REPUBLICAN I’m betting on the racist “bubba vote for McCain” to put us over the top in November.
I marvel at how the democrats will shoot themselves in the foot all in the name of individual loyalty to a canidate over Party loyalty. Both Democratic Canidates have 90% the same policy proposals and just go about attaining goals differently. You have to be an idiot to vote against your own interest but myself along with other conservative Bush supporters are expecting the racist swing our way.
Nothing like the low IQ of a democrat to stop that chances of having a president in office. Come on over “bubba vote and frustrated feminist vote” we will need you to get McCain and Huckabee in office.
I believe that comment made by Francis was more than silly just wrong. If you look at one church dominated with African Americans and believe that speaks for the race. You were never voting for Obama in the first place. You were looking for a reason to vote against him.
Thank you all.

Anyone that thinks Mccain is better than Obama needs to remember this is the man that thinks Iraq is still winnable and we should stay till at least 2013!Frankly, I don’t give a crap whohis pastor is I want out of Iraq!
How many young lives will that cost? How many greiving parents? We’re talking about another four or five thousand dead Americans. god knows how many more Iraqis.
You vote Mccain, you’ll have their blood on your hands.

All these Hillary supporters saying they’ll never vote for Obama, aside from the fact they are 95% the same policy wise, she will be endorsing him and some point and has made it clear the last thing she wants if for her supporters to vote republican. So, why are you going against what she wants?
Also, she’s guarranteed a high position in Barack’s adminstration (likely in chrage of healthcare reform). If Mccain wins she’ll be frozen out.

Obama did not resign from that church because he disagreed with its policies or philosophies, or how its congregation applauded and cheered all the racist, sexist, anti-american remarks that have been uttered by so many idiots there….no…he resigned from the church so they could continue to spew this garbage and he could no longer be linked to the church. Wink and a Nod to them, he needs there votes and he needs there attack pastors this fall to go after McCain without getting his hands dirty. He is worse than Clinton could ever hope to be when it comes to dirty politics, just ask former rivals in the state senate and us senate races, he is a slimeball just like the people in that church.

Obama was right: the republicans have to make this election about him, because they know they can’t win on the issues (Iraq, Healthcare..etc)
And anyone saying how appalling Obama’s preacher is, needs to remember mccain actively sought the endorsement of man who thought Hilter was a ‘hunter’ and was doing ‘God’s will.’

If you all want to vote for Mccain, go right ahead. But, if he does get elected, don’t turn around and complain about the contuned war in Iraq, the rising costs of healthcare, the crappy economic situtation, and his overturn of Roe v Wade.
but, hey, confort yourselves in the knowledge you stopped the guy with the wacky preacher getting elected!

Sharon are you really that blind and ignorant. How about these issues:
1. Obama wants to increase our taxes and send $845 billion overseas to aid poor countries. Yet he refuses to explain where the money will come from or realize how many more people that will put in the poor house here.
2. Obama has said consistently that he wants to take away new technology weapons and downsize the military. We already see what happened when Bill and Hillary did that in their years in the White House. Our troops are spread thin.
3. Obama wants to negotiate with a terrorist. Ahmadinajad has been identified by the Iran Embassy hostages as the leader of the group of terrorists who took the hostage during Carter’s debacle. He cares more about what terrorists and the world think than what America actually stands for.
4. He wants to implement socialist policies. No more competition to control prices in the healthcare field. The government has already screwed up Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and Veterans Healthcare and he thinks we can do a better job? Also his policies are incentives for people to do minimal because the government will take care of them.
I came from a very poor family in the Ozarks and lifted myself and family out of poverty by hard work and education. He wants to turn this country into another France where people think they are owed something.
Any of you who vote for Obama should pack up and move to Canada or France because we, the people, are going to take back this country from the minority leftist/socialist liberals.

Sharon, I’m convinced that there is nothing that would ever sway you from your messianic adoration of Sen. Obama. There are dozens of reasons why I would never vote for him that have nothing to do with race or his church, most of which have to do with his socialistic convictions. However, there are lots of other people in this country who happen to believe that there is no better country on Earth and are not inclined to follow someone who has a 20-year association with an organization that denegrates it.

‘Obama wants to increase our taxes and send $845 billion overseas to aid poor countries. Yet he refuses to explain where the money will come from or realize how many more people that will put in the poor house here.’
Less wars might cover it. Go to his website, this whole ‘he enver explains anything’ is a myth.
’2. Obama has said consistently that he wants to take away new technology weapons and downsize the military. We already see what happened when Bill and Hillary did that in their years in the White House. Our troops are spread thin.’
And why are they spread thin exactly? Because they’ve been pushed to breaking point by an incompetent president.
3.’ Obama wants to negotiate with a terrorist. Ahmadinajad has been identified by the Iran Embassy hostages as the leader of the group of terrorists who took the hostage during Carter’s debacle. He cares more about what terrorists and the world think than what America actually stands for.’
Oh,for God’s sake, do you really think that? He made it clear he would not negotiate with terrorists, but that this ‘cowboy diplomacy’ would have to end. he would be willing to talk with, not with terrorists, he never said that. More proganda.
’4. He wants to implement socialist policies. No more competition to control prices in the healthcare field. The government has already screwed up Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and Veterans Healthcare and he thinks we can do a better job? Also his policies are incentives for people to do minimal because the government will take care of them’
I love how certain people immediately gos ‘he/she is karl Marx’ when talking about more affordable health care.
The problem is government involvment, its not even the 50 million who don’;t have health care, its the people that do or want to: either they can’t get good health insurance because of a long list of precinditions or they have an insurance company that refuses to pay out on claims on technicalities. If these companies had they’re jobs in the first place, a drastic overhawl of health care would not be needed.
‘I came from a very poor family in the Ozarks and lifted myself and family out of poverty by hard work and education. He wants to turn this country into another France where people think they are owed something.’
Well, pat yourself on the back for being better than the French!
This is as bad as Bush telling the woman who worked three jobs she was living the American dream!
The American dream does not mean you have to suffer in poverty all your life, and work more than some kid in a chinease labour shop. Especially, since Bush and Co were all born with silver spoons in their mouths.

If McBush (McCain) is elected I will laugh all the way and post this is what many of you wanted so HERE IT IS. And on the preaching thingy – well sit in different churches and religious services in segregated communities across America. Then come back and write what you witnessed. This is nothing that only applies to these Reverends/ Priests or whatever. People act like every religion is so peaceful in the US. Read your history and do some research GEEZ….

America’s biggest sin is the sin of religion and the demagoguery of these idiots who “preach” to the masses through the male media. This guy talks about “love” when he denigrates and mocks Hillary Clinton and thus all similar women. This guy talks about “love” when his church excommunicates women priests. This guy talks about the sins of America when the Catholic Church needs to re-visit its even re-visioned history of evil.
This guy talks about love when he is the epitomy of bigotry against women. He is the personification of misogyny. The guys preach about God being angry at America. God angry … The Goddess is pissed. Now, boys, you need to be afraid of that.

The reality is that this minister’s comments are correct towards certain people in America…..at all levels….
So, he is just telling it like it is….
A hit dog will holler!!!!
Now, senator Obama is also correct….Because he is referring to those that are embracing all that America can be…….
This country is divided….divided between those who don’t like African Americans, and those that do…….
So, they are both telling the truth….

shalom
As usual, another Obama supporter who has to resort to racism because his candidate has nothing positive that can be talked about. The least common denominator in the Obama kingdom is race.

I wanted the two men interviewed about Pfleger’s ranting and ravings at Obama’s church to be asked what they thought the reaction would have been if his ranting had been done at a predominantly white church about Obama or some other black person and the white choir and others in the congregation had reacted in the same way (cheering him on and clapping, actually acting like someone had just given them a million dollars or something)? Who can second guess what the people in that church were thinking or why they were so jubilent. I don’t know how Obama really feels– he’s trying to get elected. But, after seeing the reaction of the congregation at Obama’s church, it does confirm black racism toward whites is rearing its head and coming out in the open. I’m getting scared because it seems like we are in store for more of the same 60′s hatred that I thought we had begun to get past. The color of your skin should not matter and the people in that church should have been disgusted by that man as well as the comments made by White. I’ve been to many churches and have never heard or seen anything so contemptible— I think they should be ashamed.

It has been wonderful and informing to read all your comments and insight into all your moral, ethical,racial, and political views on this blogg. I feel that the most important issue at had when it comes to america is that we have become better than our neighbor. we have become than the system that we have created. In order for all these issues to begin to get better we must do three things. america must turn back to the one true God, and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, then we must beg God for Forgivness of the mistakes, mistrust, backbitting, and lies that have been commited, and also we must pray for and forgive our neighbor. If we as a people as Americans can come back to these idiologies then America can begin to heal itslef. Will this save us from it ever happening again; No! No because no one man is perfect save Jesus Christ. However if we are with God who then can be against us and stand.
peace and Grace
Mr. H

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The truth really hurt you, huh?

4 those who don’t like Obama:
As you continue to try and undermine his campaign, he is picking up SUPER DELEGATES!!!! YAY!!!!
Senator Obama is on his way to become the 44th president of the United States….
And let us all be fair in this matter with RACE…..Senator Obama will not only become the first African American president, but he will also be the first African/Caucasian American president with African roots…..
See there?: Can we not see how wonderful what the Lord is doing? Can we not see that senator Obama is being used by God to help bridge the races? How wise the God of this universe…..

Krissy K, I never said mccain was a right wing manic…however, as long as he is committed to continuing the war in Iraq, refusing to admit there is a problem with healthcare and wanting to overturn roe versus Wade, he is not someone i would be willing to vote for.
And how exactly is Obama stealing this nomination from Hillary? He has more delegates! And her popular vote claim only counts if you ditract the causes from Obama and include Michigan for Hillary. Which is quite flawed.
You’re obivously a Hillary supporter, and she will be endorsing Obama at some point, so why are you going against her wishes? Hillary wants somone who will end the war in a Iraq and preserve a woman’s right to chose…she’s said before the last thing she wants is for her people to vote Mccain.

I gotta say, all these comments saying Obama is the next POTUS and I just have to “deal with it,” are so far from unity and hope that more than his associates, more than the DNC mess of Saturday, more than “the only rules that apparently matter are MY rules,” more than anything else that will come out, has led to a determination that Obama and his supporters want to rule, not lead.
That want a fiat, and that makes them so much more like Bush then they can EVER claim McCain is.
If these are my choices, ZI choose McCain. I choose McCain with all of my heart.
I am now Pacific Green, and I STILL choose McCain.
I don’t have to “deal with it.” I can fight against it.

It is truely amazing that Hussien Obama decides to quit the “controversial church” only after an evil white man spews racial hatred and anti-Americanism. I guess it is ok for the Wrights and Mosses of the world to do it…
Personally, I do not care about race or gender for the election. I seek out a candidate that shares my views. So SHUT UP about all this and start telling us more about who Barack Obama really is so in Novemeber the American people can make an informed decision.

I think the things that some people are saying in their comments are so sad. Why are you so unpatriotic? The US is the greatest country in the world. I’d like to see any of you go live in a country like India, China, or Zimbabwe and tell us how things are. You complain about everything in a country where you have freedom. There was a news story where an opposition leader in Zimbabwe got arrested for writing an article bashing President Mugagbe. You can’t say that we aren’t blessed. Consider the number of people who want to live in the US. Learn to appreciate what you have and what this country has to offer.

If it turns out that McCain attended KKK rallies every Sunday for 20+ years and brought his family with him, would you think that McCain doesn’t share any of the views espoused at those rallies? I acknowledge that comparing TUCC to the KKK is extreme, but I do so to make the point. Those claiming that this is “guilt by association” are correct. Sometimes your volutary associations and the intimacy of them DO tell a lot about a person. Senator Obama needs to explain very specifically which aspects of Black Liberation Theology (espoused by TUCC, Wright, Pfleger AND Moss) that he supports and which he rejects and then explain why he chose both to attend TUCC for 20+ years AND to raise his young daughters in that environment.

Another fair question for Senator Obama would be “You often speak about your ability to ‘reach across the partisan divide and unify the American people,’ yet, in your short time in the US Senate, you have NEVER co-sponsored a piece of substantitve legislation with a Republican and you have been consistently rated by outside groups as having the MOST liberal voting record in the entire Senate. If past behavior is indeed the best indicator of future behavior, how can you assure the American people that your actions will match your rhetoric?”

1) America is the gretest country on earth.
Obama wants to change that.
Which countries have you been to so far? What are you basing this assesment upon? Extensive travelling, working abroad, … or what???
Americans are the people who come to the aid of other stircken nations in time of trouble.
Obama want to change that.
2) If you want to rush to the aide of stricken people, perhaps it is not a bad idea to ask if they want your help first? Last I checked the Iraqis, for example, were not too thankful for having thousands of their civilians killed.
3) American have the highest standard of livning of any anation on earth.
Obama wants to change that.
Once again, which countries are you comparing to? If you compare to Nations like Zimbabwe, Mexico, The Gabia, China or similar nations you certainly do. Europe, on the other hand, beats you hands down. They have much less crime per capita, less poverty, better social systems …. For example most European families travel outside of Europe at least once a year for vacations, how often do Americans go on vacation?
4) American do not back down from people who are trying to destroy us.
Obama want to change that.
How does he want to change that? By trying to see if a diplomatic solution can be found? Apparently the American foreign policies didn’t work that well else 9/11 never would have happened.
5) American belive that everyone should carry his fair share of the tax burden and that people who work for what they
have.
Obama wants to pull the old Robin Hood crap that says” take it from the rich and give it to to poor. Never mind that the so called “poor” have never done an honest day’s work in their lives.
When the real light shines on Obama, he will be a thing of the past.
How do you know that the poor never did their share? Statistics show that single, working mothers take a lions share of those who live below the poverty line? Mind you working women.
And just for the record if you use the third person you need to add an -s to the end of the verb, it’s called conjugation ;-)

How could Obama give $225,000 toward Pfleger’s church from taxpayer’s money just because Pfleger contributed money to Obama’s campaigns? Isn’t there something wrong here? And to my Catholic friends: I am not a Catholic myself; however, I have always enjoyed going with a friend to Catholic services; and I just don’t quite understand why the Catholic church would allow someone like Pfleger to continue preaching such anti-American vitriole and hatred that has nothing to do with the gospel? Is there a reason the Catholic church allows this? Thank you.

To make a long story short, considering all of Obama’s positions plus the people he hangs around with casting a vote for him is nothing more than an overt wish for national suicide!

Do we really understand our history as Americans or we just want to forget all that happened in our past? Why will someone criticize America and suddenly they become unpatriotic? Times are changing and some just want to continue in their old ways. We should embrace the changing times and see these changes as positive and good for the country. Same people have been in government far too long; it is time to bring in new faces to reflect our diversity.

“He didn’t distance himself,” Wright announced, “He had to distance himself, because he’s a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was anti-American.” Rev. Wright’s quote at the National Press Club just before he went on to praise the communist Sandinista party in Nicaragua and Louis Farrakhan.
In Senator Obama’s resignation letter, he went on to praise Rev. Otis Moss III as a man who will be a fine pastor for years to come. Then Moss invited Pfleger to speak.
Mr. Obama, the Democrats of this country have a right to sit down in town halls with Senator McCain and find out if his policies can be moved to the center. If they can, there is no question he makes a far better President than you will.

What I find interesting is that this sort of ranting is going on at CHURCH. I’ve been to many churches, of all faiths, races, etc. and I’ve never been subjected to a political tirade on Sunday at a worship service. What I’ve seen from Trinity (so far) appears to be a combination of Obama-worship and race-baiting. I don’t recall God being mentioned.
You have to question the judgment, character, and motives of anyone who would subject his young children to such a performance on Sunday under the guise of worship. Would Jesus go to Trinity? I think not.

Thanks Jake for covering this.
Too bad the remaining media is so far in Obama’s corner that much of this will go uncovered by the morning shows, evening news broadcasts, and newspaper front pages. They are either too busy linking McCain to Bush, swallowing McClellan’s new book, or taking Hillary apart piece-by-piece. Also kudos to SNL for making us laugh at the media suck-ups.

With friends like these, Obama will never never NEVER get my vote. A man will be judged by the company he keeps — and has kept, for more than 20 years.

There is slavery in many countries today in Africa. It is illegal but that does not stop the slave trade and it is seldom addressed by the authorities. They even kidnap children from their parents and sell them into the slave trade. As a white person in the South, I have heard all my life about how I and my fellow white Americans enslaved the blacks in this country. Funny thing, I don’t remember ever owning a slave. My grandmother was 94 when she died in 1988 and she never owned a slave. Has anyone on this website ever owned a slave, or more to the point, have any of you ever been a slave or know someone who has? The answer is no. We are not responsible for something that someone in this country did 150 years ago. If any person in this country thinks they would have it better somewhere else, I do not see anyone putting up gates and locking you in. I have read on these chat sites all about the “white guilt” we are supposed to be feeling because there was once slavery in this country. I don’t feel any guilt about anything to do with slavery. Why should I? I wasn’t alive then, I have no control over what laws were in effect then, I am not even sure that anyone in my family ever owned a slave, as they were from the North. It is not anyone’s fault today that there was slavery once in this country. Laws have been passed to ensure that everyone is treated equally. Are they always? No. As a woman, I have been discriminated against. Does it stop me? Do I sit down and quit and throw my hands up and say, I will never be nothing because there are sexist people in this country? No. Do I blame everything that goes wrong in my life on the fact that I am a woman in a male dominated society so all my problems are a result of sexism? No. If the blacks have it so bad in this country, why are there black lawyers, executives, doctors, judges, politicians, etc? As long as there are people like Wright and his ilk preaching this garbage, then people will believe it and live by it and let it take over their lives. The black people need to lose the victim mentality that these men preach. There will always be someone who does not like you because of your race, gender, creed, etc. You cannot legislate human nature. But the examples set by these so called ministers do not help the cause of the black community in this country in the least. Your minister is supposed to be God’s representative on earth. These men should be building up their congregations, and be a source of comfort to their people. Instead they spew hate. Everything bad that happens and every missed opportunity for a black person in this country is not a result of racism, just like it is not sexism if you are a woman. When you have the garbage thrown at you regularly that these so-called ministers put out, you could very well come to believe it. When you get down to it, living is hard work. Life isn’t fair, and you don’t always get what you want out of it. That isn’t racism, it’s just life.

With the associations that Obama has that are tied to hate, it should scare people that he is at the moment the odds on favorite to win the Presidential election.

Many of you suffer from the ideology (mystification or spell) of white supremacist capitalism, which has been sustained by a conscious or subconscious belief in black inferiority by folks of all so-called races (the erroneous idea of race was created by white supremacists to justify the slave trade and the European empires in Africa, Central and South America, the Caribbean, South Pacific, and Asia). The notion of ‘pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps’ articulates the ideology of white supremacist capitalism because it was made famous by Booker T. Washington, the educator and lackey of rich, ruling white supremacists who encouraged ex-slaves to pull themselves up by their bootstraps in order to acquiesce to white supremacy rather than resist it as Washington’s critic W.E.B. DuBois suggested. Pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps expresses the ‘all-about-me’ approach of individualist capitalists; the bootstraps ideology pretends that a person’s destiny is shaped only by individual choices and ignores historical and societal realities: in other words, the bootstraps ideology pretends that people live in private bubbles without history, and this pretense helps to deflect attention from injustice and exploitation—placing all responsibility—and blame—on supposedly a-social or isolated individuals. The bootstraps ideology also depends on black people sustaining an inferiority complex when we compare ourselves to so-called ‘whites’: in other words, this ideology requires that we accept that white supremacy is natural and can not be resisted, or that racism is eternal and everywhere, therefore we must acquiesce to its injustice. Remember, white supremacy past and present has depended on the economic and political superiority of so-called ‘white’ folk, domination sustained by the enforced and voluntary inferiority of blacks. Resisting white superiority and black inferiority can not be accomplished by individuals alone, but requires collective efforts.
The social problems that black people endure TODAY require more than Booker T.’s individualist bootstrap approach. These social ills include poverty; disproportionate incarceration; unjust white supremacist laws and legal systems; unequal, dysfunctional and segregated educational systems; unequal and deficient health care; overworked and indebted wage slavery to fickle, outsourcing capitalists (landlords, bankers, employers, creditors, etc.); under- or unemployment; deficient and disproportionate legal representation in government (few blacks in Congress, only one black senator, no Congressional representation for Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico), etc. In the tradition of W.E.B. and Martin King mass protest—or getting people in the streets in numbers to demand change—is required not simply to improve the lives of black people TODAY but to create justice for the present and the past, similar to how Jews, Armenians and indigenous Americans have struggled to respond to past injustices.
These past injustices are as recent as 40 years ago and include:
1. The legalized terrorism or pogroms against black families throughout the south and less frequently in the north (See the film Rosewood)
2. The legalized theft (by white supremacist terrorists cells like the KKK) of Black Wealth produced in great quantity from California to New York, Montana to Oklahoma (Read about the Black Wall Street in Tulsa, OK) by exceedingly industrious and well skilled though insufficiently educated ex-slaves. This theft robbed black America of its economic base from which it might have prospered; instead, without this economic foundation of wealth, black communities became dependent on the wage slavery of white supremacist industrial capitalism, which in recent decades has drastically cut back employee numbers (outsourcing jobs to other countries). Many black communities suffered greatly from these cutbacks, forcing some into sub-legal and illegal activities.
3. The legalized second and third-class citizenship of all black folk
4. The quasi-legalized removal of black voting rights
5. The legal incarceration of millions of black people without due process (See Martin Lawrence and Eddie Murphy’s “Life”…it might be a comedy, but it’s a comedy about past truths.)
…and this doesn’t mention non-wage or sharecropper slavery.
In conclusion, you should remember that Dr. Martin Luther King–a man of JESUS–who worshipped JESUS as a defender of social justice–you should remember that Dr. King was murdered soon after he began to instigate mass protest against the ECONOMIC injustices of the capitalists. Capitalists like the health insurance industry, the service industry, the prison-military-industrial complex, the oil industry.

Apache, Your words are worth reading over and over as a guide to a life worth leading. However, many of us are trying to understand this man that we know so little about who wants to be POTUS. In the absence of a long history in national politics or even higher office in state politics, other areas need to be assessed. Who Senator Obama chooses to associate with, the types of people that he selects as his mentors, and the organizations he joins are all factors that can assist us in making the decision. These all point to a man’s character.

Can_We_All_Get_Along? said: “In conclusion, you should remember that Dr. Martin Luther King–a man of JESUS–who worshipped JESUS as a defender of social justice–you should remember that Dr. King was murdered soon after he began to instigate mass protest against the ECONOMIC injustices of the capitalists. Capitalists like the health insurance industry, the service industry, the prison-military-industrial complex, the oil industry.”
To Can_We_All_Get_Along?,
Dr. King stated that he’d read Marx and Engels, and that he had come to realize that Communism and Socialism were dogmas that rationalized slavery. That without the individual liberties, rights and freedoms that America stands for, without the right to self determination, all men and women are slaves.
There is nothing wrong with regulated capitalism. When we had regulated capitalism, all boats rose. What you advocate is not freedom or liberty, but the exploitation of the suffering of others, channeling that suffering into something you can use for your own personal agenda. People like you are no different than Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Mussoline, Mugabe, and so many other monsters who sought to enslave people.
Rev. Wright, and Father Pfleger are purveyors of hatred. Liberation theology isn’t about liberating people, it’s about using them, nothing more.
Why does Rev. Wright expect his congregation to pay 15 million to build him a mansion in a gated community? This is the same man who told his congregation to shun middle class values, the right to live in safe communities with good schools, the right to earn a fair wage and be treated with respect? One can only surmise that he feels such things are for elites like himself.
I am an Obama suppporter, a Christian and a member of the Abenaki people, a native person. What I see is Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger preaching hatred and intolerance, contradicting Christ’s teachings. If Father Pfleger believes that seeding hearts and minds with hatred is acceptable, then he is NOT a Christian, in fact he is a corrupt sham who poses as a Christian. He is as false as pederast priests, hiding behind his collar and vestments as a wolf in sheeps clothing.
He and Wright are working for one thing alone, to put their congregations into the harness, with a whip at their backs.
Hatred is a sin against God, and that sin has been a human crime, across all countries, among all races and ethnicities. It is not a white thing. There are good and bad people, skin color is not a determinate of ones character. Those who preach lies like Wright and Pfleger are the proponents of hate, and no different than the KKK, the Nazis, the fascists, the Marxists and other villains worldwide. They should be shamed and forced to beg the forgiveness of all those they have exploited and harmed.
Their followers who emulate their frauds are no different than a cult.

This tune dedicated to the Bill & Hillary Campaign Legacy.
So long sad times, go long bad times….we are rid of you at last……cause…..Happy days are here again!

I cannot believe the Democratic party has sunk so low as to have someone like Barack Obama as their party’s pres. nominee. I said the same about Hillary Clinton, so don’t call me names _ I am no racist. It is amazing to see them scraping the bottom of the barrel. I see the end of the party before long. More and more Dems. are going Independent.

Churches and ministers in America do not preach hatred. Rev. Wright does not preach hatred and the 8000 members of his church, which includes some white people, are not racist. This is the devils lie trying to destroy Jesus’s church. It’s like the snake in the garden tempting Adam and Eve. Don’t be fooled.

Racist are ridiculous. Rev. Wright didn’t preach the same sermon every Sunday for 20 years. 9/11 didn’t even happen 20 years ago. He preaches verses in the Bible. He preaches about injustices. Every human being is responsible for himself. Obama is not Rev. Wright. I disagreed with my father on political issues. I didn’t move out of the house.They are just using this as an excuse because they don’t want Obama to win the election.

The Rev. Pfleger is a wonderful man and Minister, he just will share the truth about a White female that should stay home and not want to do a mans job, like being a President. More Men need to stand up and share how they feel about the females trying to take over in the United States, Men need to keep their wife’s at home and not out working and take away jobs from a Man.
There is only one Father and that is the heavenly Father God. No man on the earth should be called a Father. Why and how the Catholics get calling a minister Father. There is Dad for a parent and Mom for Mother, not father.
James
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Many blacks act as if America is the only country that ever practiced slavery. In Africa, long ago, blacks enslaved each other all the time. They would have a war and the winners would take the losers home to be slaves.

to all oboma when you went to see grandmother did you get your birthcirtifit and powell said iraq had wepion of masdestruction what a liler he is to

I have served this great nation. My belief as a combat wounded veteran, is to dispense with all the religious and political bs and take care of your fellow man. These are the only recovered text written by Jeshua, Jesus, There is no greater love than to lay down your life for a friend. In Aramaic. This is the new creedo for my Green Beret Command in THE MIDDLE EAST