Jun 12, 2008 3:40pm

SCOTUS, Security and Civil Rights

What’s fascinating about today’s sharply divided U.S. Supreme Court ruling on GITMO detentions is the extent to which the court’s debate mirrors the same tensions between civil rights and terrorism protection that exist in society more broadly.

The difference is that, in public attitudes, terrorism concerns more often have trumped.

In the most recent data, from a Pew poll in February, more Americans said the government had “not gone far enough to adequately protect the country” from terrorism (47 percent) than said it had “gone too far in restricting the average person’s civil liberties” (36 percent). Similarly, in one of our ABC/Post polls on this, from back in 2006, 42 percent said the government was insufficiently protecting civil rights; 56 percent said it was doing the right amount, or even too much.

This doesn’t mean people don’t value their rights; it means many think those rights include the ability to get through the day without being randomly murdered by terrorists, and that they’re willing to give that right its due, in balance with others. Indeed, in another survey we did in late ’06, two-thirds said that in investigating terrorism, federal agencies were intruding on some Americans’ privacy rights. Crucially, however, just over half of those who perceived such intrusions also said they were justified.

There were, on both questions, deep partisan and ideological splits, not unlike those divisions we can see in the court's ruling today.

It’d be good soon to refresh these data; the competing demands for security rights, if you will, vs. civil rights, are subject to a number of variables. The level of threat is one; the government’s sensitivity in maintaining a balance among competing rights is another. In public sentiment, encroaching upon rights as minimally as possible to achieve a crucial end is one thing; trampling them unnecessarily can be quite another.

That’s the overview; then there’s the specific matter of the GITMO detainees and their rights to redress in court. The most recent data point is a somewhat tangential one: In the Pew poll in February, 52 percent of Americans thought government policies toward GITMO detainees were fair; 33 percent, unfair. (The rest had no opinion.)

More directly, in a CNN poll back in September 2006, 63 percent favored the use of military tribunals for such prisoners, without the right to appeal their detention in civilian courts. (That was similar to results we got as far back as 2001 and 2002.) CBS in 2006 asked a more pointed question, contrasting an "open criminal court with a jury" vs. a "closed military court," and got a 49-46 percent split. But in a Los Angeles Times poll, also in 2006, just 8 percent said GITMO detainees should have the same rights as U.S. citizens in civilian courts, and just 27 percent said they should have the same rights given U.S. service members in military courts. Sixty-one percent instead said they should get just "some rights" afforded to U.S. military personnel, or, remarkably, "no rights" at all. Such is the popularity of a suspected terrorist.

The Supreme Court, of course, uses different standards in gauging these issues, and today came to a different conclusion. Again what’s so interesting is the extent to which its 5-4 decision, and the sharply worded dissent, reflect the same debate and divisions that exist in the country at large.

User Comments

It’s hardly surprising that the average American would value “their” rights because the average American is always talking about someone else. It’s the “other” people that are a concern, so stripping “others” of thier Constitutional rights is never a problem, just leave “mine” alone. Therefore torture, imprisonment without trial or charge is OkeeDokee as long it’s stays someone else.

Posted by: JR | June 12, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

These people are not US citizens! I do not think that terrorist should have the same rights as American citizens. Our forefathers and generations after have fought and died for theses rights. These people hate everything about us so why should we give them the same rights as us? Now the taxpayers pay for an attorney for our enemies, ridiculous!

Posted by: rickyt1234 | June 12, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

I wish our citizens would of be given rights before they were beheaded.
Before they were shot.
I wish all those who died 9/11 would have had rights.
Terroist who took American lives, have rights. Who will do it again at the first opportunity.

Posted by: seah | June 12, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

Now that GITMO isn’t a good place for the US Government to put non-state-sponsored combatants captured abroad where do people think they’re going to end up? Not at GITMO any longer, nor within the US proper… no, these people will end up with our allies, in secret foreign prisons, or somewhere else where they have less rights. Without the compromise that GITMO offered, most future such combatants will end off in places where they have less, not more rights and protections.

Posted by: SP | June 12, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

Reread the Declaration of Independence.
It may be time to give rebirth to the principle.

Posted by: Spugee | June 12, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

“These people are not US citizens!”…………………………..”I wish our citizens would of be given rights before they were beheaded”……………………………”combatants will end off in places where they have less, not more rights and protections…………
These are arguments FOR America to demonstrate our laws mean something, not reasons for us to forget them. We’re the GOOD guys remember? Have we become so scared and paranoid that we’ll throw out everything good about our country just in the name of revenge? Who cares what method we use as long as some “#######” suffers?

Posted by: JR | June 12, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

It a very good reason not to take prisoners.

Posted by: Spugee | June 12, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

Americans need to understand one very important thing: Guantanamo, along with CIA’s extraordinary rendition program, is the core reason for growing anti-American sentiment around the world, including in allied countries.
Why?
Because we cherish our hard fought rights and liberties just as much as you do and when someone messes with them, we get mad as h***.
As a natural born citizen in a European country that sent troops to fight and die alongside American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, a country that shares your basic values, ancestry and history, I could end up at Guantanamo. I could be subjected to extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention and torture.
Just imagine that. How would you feel if some allied country posed such a threat to you as a citizen?
Plain and simple: Get rid of Guantanamo and restore habeas corpus or face growing diplomatic isolation, resentment and anger from people who used to be your friends.
We still are, for now.

Posted by: Tordenskiold | June 12, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

i agree JR we need to have values and laws and stand by them we cant throw them away and act like everyone we come in dispute with!
plus lets be real our GOVERNMENT can be just as dirty and underhanded as any..
if nothing else bush and history shows you that!!

Posted by: melissa | June 12, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

Leave a Reply

Do you have more information about this topic? If so, please click here to contact the editors of ABC News.