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Jun 7, 2008 12:37pm

Things to Do in Denver When You’re Dead

Sen. Hillary Clinton is planning on “suspending” her campaign today, not closing it.

There’s a lot of buzz in Democratic circles about what this means, since there’s a lot of buzz that Clinton has floated the idea to friends that she wants a roll call vote of her delegates at the convention, supposedly for Chelsea’s sake.

There’s a lot of pushback to that idea, as you might imagine.

Suspending the campaign as opposed to shuttering it, though, will allow her to try to retire her more than $30 million in debt (if you include the at least $11.5 million she and Bill Clinton lent her campaign).

It doesn’t really mean much in terms of this “What if it turns out Barack Obama is really a cyborg” fatalism. Whether or not her campaign has been suspended, she would have a rightful claim to the nomination if Obama self-immolated and the party suddenly needed a sub.

- jpt

User Comments

That is the beginning of the end of Democrat Party. I will switch to Republican Party or stay as an Independent.

Posted by: stock_craft | June 7, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

She is a hypocrite. Although protesting gender stereotypes, she drops lines like “It’s not over until the lady in the pantsuit says it’s over.” and “What does Hillary Clinton want?” Lines like this have only one purpose… to inflame the ire of her disgruntled feminist base. These people are all about payback, female power and revenge and HRC, knowing that, makes these incendiary comments despite claiming not to rely on any advantage provided her through being female. It is just like playing the race card and completely undermines her integrity.

Posted by: J Robinson | June 7, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

Obama has five months and MSM on his side, if he can’t win that’s his problem. It will most likely come down to the swing states that Clinton won.

Posted by: Tina from Florida | June 7, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

The best should never be chosen last.
Hillary you are the best, and as much as I love and admire you I can no longer support the Democratic party.
I HOPE you will CHANGE Washington as you have in the past. Your hard work and extreme diligence have been a bright light in that dark city. No one can hold a candle to you and your historic 18 million votes and the voters who recognize the best when they see HER.

Posted by: HP Boston | June 7, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

Krissy K,
Dont vote for Obama. We do not want damaged people such as yourself supporting him.
He is the future and you are part of the American ugly past.

Posted by: Fired UP!! | June 7, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

re: needing a sub.
crazier things have happened.

Posted by: brooke | June 7, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

re: needing a sub.
crazier things have happened.

Posted by: brooke | June 7, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

No one can blame her for wanting to recoup her expenses through suspension. It’s also always wise not to discard your options. You have to admire her pragmatism.

Posted by: katrina | June 7, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

Thank you Hillary, we love you. You will come back before November and run as an Independent.
Else, John McCain has one more vote from me and millions of Hillary supporters!

Posted by: FL_Vetq | June 7, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

Senator Clinton and twenty million informed Americans know that Senator Obama is a inept wanna-be candidate. He carries far too much dirty laundry to be elected.
Vote for an real American–Vote for McCain.
Obama, go back to your corrupt Chicago and corrupt supporters.

Posted by: Maggie | June 7, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

She’s gone and she’s not coming back. It’s time for people to accept it. Just like Gore and Kerry didn’t come back she will not be back in 2012.

Posted by: Tom | June 7, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Mary nobody cares about you. You’re as insignificant as what I left in the bowl this morning. The rest of us will do what’s best for this country.

Posted by: Tom | June 7, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

justsayin,
It sounds like you voted for Clinton after doing research. Please do the same for Obama. You say you are unsure about him. Then find out about him. He has an excellent reputation in the Senate.
Vote out of knowledge and not out of FEAR. If you don’t then the Repub win.

Posted by: Fired UP!! | June 7, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

TWO WORDS: DEMS UNITE.

Posted by: ...Ready to Go | June 7, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

All,
If your hope is to convert a superpower into a third-world country like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Obama is your man for your HOPE. Who knows he might even give your and your people slave-reparation of $1 million each. For some of you, Obama might be the only hope.
Shyam

Posted by: Shyam | June 7, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

very classy,
that is nothing more than trying to rub her nose in it.
obama with the help of the dnc and the msm and the superd, help steal this election from sen. clinton.
the pundits and the dnc and talking heads said “if it seems that the superd
are going to go into some back room and cut a deal it will seem as if they stole the election. and in the end that is exactly what they did last saturday.
so the double standard is don’t do that to obama, but it is alright to do it to sen. clinton.
so the stole election nominee is in.
but politically obama cannot hold a candle to sen. clinton.

Posted by: justsaying | June 7, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Geevil; thank you for demonstrating your creative and literary abilities.
I just wish you didn’t use them to conjure up lies about Michelle.
LAY OFF THE LADY MISTER!!!!

Posted by: Iris | June 7, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

I fear the right wing far far more than the left. Proud Hillary Supporter.

Posted by: irma | June 7, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

to all of you Hillary supporters who say you are so angry and you don’t like obama etc…
even if you don’t care about issues
You do realize that Hillary needs Obama to win to get her senate seat back.
If Obama loses so does Hillary go look at her numbers in NY now…she needs him more than he needs her if she wants to continue.
If he loses she gets blamed more than he does.

Posted by: dl | June 7, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

GIVE UP THE HILLARY CHANT WILL YOU?
SHE IS TOO DEMOCRAT TO SINK THE DEM PARTY – SHE WILL NOT BE REVIVING HER CAMPAIGN.
MOVE ON AND TAKE BACK THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

Posted by: ...Ready to Go | June 7, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

C’mon Eddie; she’s now graciously conceded. Let’s move on.
The Dem Family needs to unite.

Posted by: Flo | June 7, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

dl,
you forget, sen. clinton had a good public service record BEFORE becoming an elected official. so she really DOES NOT NEED OBAMA. I don’t think he needs or wants her around, and i think she should just go back to her work, as ny senator or any other good work she decides to do.
sen. clinton will always be current in any market.
and any work she attaches herself to will be better off because of her.

Posted by: justsaying | June 7, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

The Dems efforts for diversity almost sank them.
But we will survive…
See you at the White House Dems.

Posted by: Naomi | June 7, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

and one last thing,
with her out now,
obama can lose on his own.
and the very people who were so against her-will try to blame her, but every fair minded person knows,
obama will lose on his own lack of merit.
how can she be blamed anyway? he beat her?

Posted by: justsaying | June 7, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Hillary has honor and Backs up what she says.
She said she would help obama and she will.

Posted by: seah | June 7, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Flo,
18 million Americans voted for Sen Clinton, it not means we have to listen to her for suporting Sen Obama.

Posted by: Allson | June 7, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

VOTE PRINCIPLES, VOTE ISSUES – THEY MATTER FOR AMERICA’S FUTURE.
Dems unite!!!!

Posted by: Tracey | June 7, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Should I vote for a not very well-known and inexperience candidate? Hillary, your Party has failed you and the middle, working class people. It’s the beginning of the end of Democrat Party. I will change to Republican Party or stay as an Independent.

Posted by: stock_craft | June 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

carla,
i was not saying such, i was looking at and listening to obama, and heard what i heard and went with sen. clinton.
the thing you all should be a little worried about is,
will all of the people who were voting FOR obama just to vote AGAINST sen. clinton-will they still be there in the fall.
i believe a lot of the votes earlier on cast were votes against sen. clinton, and many of them as time progressed got to know what we now know about obama and they may just wish they had their votes back. (unimformed voters, for sure)
the media and polling bias-the dem. and obama people may have created a false hope in thinking he will carry the country in nov.
they should be looking to see ACTUALLY who is solidly in behind obama.
because the list of those who right now are saying they will not vote for him, is growing.
so carla, i would not put much stock in the early vote. yes, true enough it was what put him ahead, and i think he would be the first to say, he is grateful for the early votes. because after that, he has pretty much gone down or stayed the same, not a good sign for nov.

Posted by: justsaying | June 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

I AM TOO PROUD AND TOO HARDWORKING A DEMOCRAT TO VOTE MCCAIN.
I volunteered for both Al Gore and Kerry and would have done so for Hillary if arthritis didn’t get the better of me this year.
I am satisfied with Obama – he does have a way of bringing the best out of those who love America.
Yes we can!!!

Posted by: Dora | June 7, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

If obama loses, we can get Hillary the Dem nod in 2012! Join me in tolerating McCain for 4 short years so that we can get Hillary in the White House!

Posted by: joe | June 7, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

Anyone who says they are voting for mc-more-war because HIllary didn’t make it is a LIAR. They are rush limbaugh listening idiots who would have voted for mc-more-war anyway. These people like to make noise but in the end won’t really matter at all. A real Hillary supporter is smart enough to realize that Obama policies are very close to Hillary’s and mc-more-war’s are very different. Obama 2008!!!

Posted by: pt | June 7, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

I think that Hillary ought to be given a good spot at the convention (maybe monday night, with her husband) and if there is a decent prominent Clinton supporter to be keynote speaker, why not through that is as well (Evan Bayh, if he isn’t VP candidate??)
Whether or not the GOP trolls want to admit it or not, the Democratic Party will be united in 2008. Obama and Clinton just won’t let it happen any other way. Its in neither of their interests to let it happen any other way. The party won’t forget if it appears that Hillary lost Obama the election in November, but they won’t forget it either if she does all she can to help Obama in November.

Posted by: markymark | June 7, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

I have supported Obama from day one, and gnashed my teeth at many a comment by Hillary. BUT, the good things said about her are true, her concession speech was wonderful and I admire her guts. Just too bad she got painted with the same brush as Bill Clinton, who would be a disaster hanging around the WH, checking out all the skirts.

Posted by: Colorado Dem | June 7, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Oh..this title of the article is cruel.
Don’t have compassion at all.

Posted by: catleya | June 7, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

RuthieM,
You asked too much!
This is not the inauguration day.
Isn’t it enough she lost and she had to come out to endorse him, supports and asked her supporters to follow her to support Obama?
She mentioned, President Obama also.
Do you expect her to say President Barack Hussein Obama??
Think about if you were on her shoe and Obama on her position.

Posted by: catleya | June 7, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

That is exactly she is the more experience still and classy dame!

Posted by: CTJD | June 7, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm

grow up people, we are all hurting with this crazy economy and this war and our young men and women are dying for no good reason. the gas prices are higer and no plans of them getting lower.plezzz let’s get out and vote in november for Obama, give him a chance we can’t get any worst.
obama 08

Posted by: NE/ CLEVELAND | June 7, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

Today Hillary surrender to the
black radical party…….
She knows surrender IS VERY UN-AMERICAN.
She didn’t do the right thing to fight
her case in Denver and later to declare
independence from the black party.
She deserves to lose……..
Her surrender is very UN-AMERICAN.
AMERICANS NEVER SURRENDER…….

Posted by: Nicholas | June 7, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

She did not concede.
She SUSPENDED…there is a difference.
We can read between the lines.
We are with Hillary if she chooses Independent, see the polls.
70% against nobama and anyone else for that matter.
If she chooses to run with McCain, good for her. Of if she sits it out, then fine, we go to McCain.
Hillcrat 4 McCain 08
Hillary 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!
The democrat party is sick and needs to be overhauled and that will happen in the next 2 years.

Posted by: michelle Robinson | June 7, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

People who say they wanted Hillary but will now vote for mc-more-war are either liars or just STUPID. Do a little research, read a little about the issues. Put your brain in gear before you open your mouth. mc-more-war is another bush term. Think abouth that when you’re in the voting booth. Think about a war that was unnecessary, think about the 4000+ dead, and the many wounded. Think about the fathers that will never see their children again. Then say who should be president. And how do you like paying $4 a gallon? Obama 2008!!!

Posted by: pt | June 7, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

The news media will blame Hillary with what ever bad happens to Obama. They have sold their souls to him. In this Country it is hard to win anything if the new media isn’t with you. They stay up day and night thinking up ways to discredit you or jump at a chance to start a lie about you or just really enjoy calling a female names. I think America would be much better off if all the news networks fired all their people and start all over with new people and fire anyone who isn’t objective in their reporting. I use to love listening to the news; now I could care less if I ever hear another word of news from these stuffed up so call reporters, journalist, etc.
I think people should put Country before party. If they do, they for sure will not vote for Obama nor will they vote for anyone who has tried to push him down our throats. I have always been a democrat but I’m so disgusted with the whole lot of them. I can’t be a republican but I can be an Independent.

Posted by: Mickey | June 7, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

If you are not voting for Obama, don’t vote for McCain. WRITE IN “CLINTON”.
We can still put her in.

Posted by: Oldgaman | June 7, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

Oldgaman,
I’m planning to write Hillary Clinton in as President in November. Who do you suggest for Vice President? I’m considering Obama but I still haven’t figured out if he’s qualified. He still seems like an empty suit guy to me.
========================================
Hillar/? 2008
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | June 7, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

It is amazing to me that at this time anyone with any concerns about our country /people would even consider a person with absolutely no experience in running anything but their mouth would be considered for the presidency. This is not a time for a novice to learn as they go.You and our country needs someone to take control .No aprentices please.

Posted by: leotta | June 7, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

Barrack Hussein and Edwards campainged for uncommited voting in Michigen purposely. So all Hillary Dems can unite to put her name on Ballet in November and vote for her. Let’s play Michigen on Obama.

Posted by: dash | June 8, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am

The DNC nominates a candidate that they know will split the party down the middle yet they did it anyway.
Now they are saying unite, well for god sakes did they not think that what persons were telling them would happed if they put Obama ahead was not going to?
Now people are telling them they will vote McCain I guess this is another statement that the DNC will feel they will overcome.
Where are all these AA voters, these new voters, these young people that would all be so upset if Hillary got the nod, all I am hearing not is I hope Hillary gets her people to vote for Obama, I hope Hillary goes to the states that she won and help him.
Why did they take such a gamble , why nominate the candidate that makes it harder for them to win, why put themselves in a position that if Hillary supporters don’t buy into the Obama game they will lose.
Its not like they were not warned, I just cant understand how the top level people in the DNC could be so dam stupid

Posted by: SJ | June 8, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

SJ,
You are absolutely right.
They all now worry about Obama can not get women, working class, elderly voters .
We’ve been heard this since he was the nominee.
I usually never watch MSNBC but today I was curious what they were going to say.
So, I watched them and I just couldn’t believe what I heard.
Chris Matthew said can Hillary help Obama to get her supporters vote for him and tell them , Obama is 99.9% better than McCain.
They even asked Bill Clinton to campaign with Obama, the reason because Bill Clinton knows and has very good relation with all governors, politicians.
They said if Hillary can get him wins WV and KY just like he wins 50 states already.
Why this whole time they said Bill Clinton is racist .
Now, they need his help?
Why when Hillary won WV and KY the media did not even bother to make into a big news?
I wonder do they even have shames at all.

Posted by: catleya | June 8, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

Lots of Republicans here posing as pretend Clinton supporters. The spin you spew doesn’t work folks. Obama has energized REAL people into the change that America desires and requires. Hillary saw this as well and has wholeheartedly endorsed him. No more lobbyists trying to shell out favors for money. The econonmy, the war in Iraq, and change is what the people care about. McCain is on the wrong side of all of these issues. Americans in Iraq for 100 more years, according to McCain. He is also clueless on the economy. McCain is not qualified to run this country.

Posted by: truth&honesty | June 8, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am

If God wants Obama to be President… He will be President !!! No matter what those
few people do that say they will vote for McCain or write-in Clinton’s name… When Obama wins, let them argue with and cuss-out God… Because I am almost certain they will do it….

Posted by: Levi | June 8, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am

Why would God get involved in American politics and in case he did why would he endorse Anti-Americanism?

Posted by: esvida | June 8, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am

What continues to amaze me is the gall of the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Party leaders to just insist that Hillary had to throw everything she had worked so hard for all these months in the tank and get behind Obama IMMEDIATELY. Like it is her responsibility alone to unite the Party and make sure Obama wins in November.
The DNC and the Super Delegates were the ones who made CERTAIN that Obama became the party’s nominee, so it would seem to me that it is THEIR responsibility to get him elected, not Hillary’s.
The gall of these people is just absolutely amezing. If they need her help so badly, and need her to support Obama so badly, what does that say about the candidate they literally gave the nomination to? If they were so certain that he would be the best candidate against McCain, why do they care what “unelectable” Hillary does with her millions of supporters?

Posted by: Lee | June 8, 2008, 2:55 am 2:55 am

i accepted that hillary is out at least for now. so i did what i have been saying for months that i would do if hillary was not the nominee. i signed up for mccains campaign online last night, and already got a phone call from them this morning. not a recording, a real person. come to think of it i never got a phone call from hillary’s campaign hmmm!.

Posted by: sonia trevino | June 8, 2008, 3:02 am 3:02 am

Date: 06/08/2008 01:40AM
As a liberal who has lived in Europe the last twenty years I will nevertheless vote/work actively for McCain this Fall because I am a patriot before I am a Democrat.
America is not France, nor should it be, but the very least one expects from any presidential candidate is someone who has undying love and loyalty for his/her own country, two very basic qualities sorely lacking in Barack Obama, – evident in the choice of his wife, as well as his ‘sole’ spiritual advisor/mentor of over twenty years, the card-carrying “whitey hater” himself, Rev. Wright, who he defended wholeheartedly, comparing to his very own ‘white’ grandmother, then later threw under the bus for some cheap votes.
The DNC made a grave error this time around and will pay dearly for their greed this November. They may have ‘sidelined’ Hillary this time around, but there remains fortunately, yet another patriot in her place, John McCain. This true American hero/independent thinking maverick, who already laid down his life for this country once before, will wipe off his shoes with the likes of a Michelle, Rev. Wright & Barack Hussein this Fall – with enthusiastic help from the most loyal of Hillary’s 18 MILLION STRONG supporters.
Hillary supporters, writing in her name is not going to be as effective as voting for John McCain. Let McCain clean up George Dubyas mess so that Hillary can get get a fresh start in 2012.
As for her being VP – it’s not going to happen, because Obama will never win. Besides, why should she play second fiddle to a vacuous poseur like Nobama?

Posted by: SimonB | June 8, 2008, 3:09 am 3:09 am

It doesn’t really mean much in terms of this “What if it turns out Barack Obama is really a cyborg” fatalism. Whether or not her campaign has been suspended, she would have a rightful claim to the nomination if Obama self-immolated and the party suddenly needed a sub. AND JAKE, THERE IS SUCH A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT WILL HAPPEN. STAY TUNED FOLKS! NO VOTES FOR OBAMA!

Posted by: nurseratchet | June 8, 2008, 3:34 am 3:34 am

There is no doubt the democrats nominated the weaker nominee. They did so because President Bush has damaged the party so badly, they feel Dennis Kucsinich could win if he was the nominee.
So they are going to take the opporunity to push affirmative action and expand their base.
However, nothing will make the country more upset than a lame duck or innefective president. Obama has made so many stupid campaign promises that its virtually impossible for him to be a success as president.
So in 4 years, a new republican cycle will begin.

Posted by: sandra | June 8, 2008, 4:02 am 4:02 am

What continues to amaze me is the gall of the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Party leaders to just insist that Hillary had to throw everything she had worked so hard for all these months in the tank and get behind Obama IMMEDIATELY. Like it is her responsibility alone to unite the Party and make sure Obama wins in November.
The DNC and the Super Delegates were the ones who made CERTAIN that Obama became the party’s nominee, so it would seem to me that it is THEIR responsibility to get him elected, not Hillary’s.
The gall of these people is just absolutely amazing. If they need her help so badly, and need her to support Obama so badly, what does that say about the candidate they literally gave the nomination to? If they were so certain that he would be the best candidate against McCain, why do they care what “unelectable” Hillary does with her millions of supporters?
Posted by: Lee | Jun 8, 2008 2:55:21 AM
____________________________________
Lee you are a genius! I think they will never let her be, anything and everything BAD they will perceive and rant that it is her fault.
I wish she would regroup go independent as I have done and tell them to pound sand!

Posted by: HP Boston | June 8, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

It’s a misconception that there’s some advantage to Hillary in only suspending her campaign in terms of still being able to fund-raise. That would only be true if she’d accepted public financing. As it is, she could accept donations up until the convention even if she dropped out.
Lee: Everyone knows that Obama can’t win the election without Clinton supporters. They are close enough to half the party. Clinton supporters are going to decide this election.
If Clinton had won, then she would need Obama supporters, who are also close to half the party, though.
It was a close thing, but there’s a lot to be said for facing up to reality. The reality is that Obama had as much support as Clinton, but played the technical game better; and now it’s him or McCain.
I don’t know how much people know about McCain, but they should look into his policies on health care, or stopping Bush’s somewhat successful negotiations with North Korea, or the fact that his main economic adviser Phil Gramm is considered one of the architects of the current financial crisis… I could go on.

Posted by: Rocky | June 8, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

After Hillary’s speech I switched over to MSNBC to see if they were already kissing up to Hillary.
And there they were Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann sheepishly singing Hillary’s praises.
They are so afraid the object of their man-crush (Obama)won’t win. The media that treated the Clintons like crap just look like a bunch of hypocrites now.
This campaign revealed the true character of a lot of people good and bad.
McCain08 Hillary2012

Posted by: cindy in nc | June 8, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

What worries me the most about Hillary having said that she will do anything Obama needs her to do in his campaign is that he will soon come to realize that the ONLY way he stands a CHANCE of winning in November is to indeed ask her to be his Vice-President.
Accepting the V.P. slot will only prove to be a Catch 22 for Hillary. If she accepts the position, and Obama does indeed win, she would be guaranteed to become President if and when any MAJOR scandal involving Obama erupts and he would be forced to resign. However, if that were to happen, I feel that in 2012 she would go the way of Gerald Ford in 1976 and be defeated, as being part and parcel of the Obama scandal, even if she had nothing to do with it, as Ford had nothing to do with Nixon’s (other than the pardon).
If she agrees to be his running mate, and the scandal erupts before he has a chance to be elected, then the ticket would go down to certain defeat in November, and she would once again be tarnished for having thrown in with him by agreeing to be his V.P.
As much as I feel she DESERVES to be offered the second slot on the ticket, strategically, I don’t feel she should accept. However, if she doesn’t, and he loses in November with an alternative running mate, once again, all of the blame for HIS failures will be heaped upon Hillary.

Posted by: Lee | June 8, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

A glipse into Obama’s presidency?
$15 million in gov’t grants to Trinity church–the one that hates our government.
$200,000 earmarked by Obama to Father Pfleger.
Obama wants to raise taxes. What will he do with our tax money?
And maybe a Rezko pardon after a few years–to return a favor?
Do some research about Obama’s type of politics in Chicago. Obama says he is different–
McCain08/Hillary2012

Posted by: cindy in nc | June 8, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

Dear PT,
“And how do you like paying $4 a gallon?”
Please…enough of the sheep fear mentality! I ask you, exactly what plan does your Obama have to reduce the cost of fuel at the pump in the next four years?
If Obama wins the GE than he will be in office from 2009 to 2012. Yet, I can’t find any energy plan or proposal he has that does anything to decrease the cost of fuel at the pump during these actual 4 years. Most of his plans offered make a difference from 2013 to 2050 if passed and if paid for, if and only if future administrations, the world market, and conditions remain unchanged from today.
What will he do when he is elected to bring down the cost of fuel at the pump?
NOTHING! He, as President, does not control the price of fuel. Fuel is a market commodity. For the most part, this is a free market economy. The only potential reprieve, a temporary band-aid really to pander for votes, would have been the gas tax holiday.
Energy costs are going to continue to climb. Gas price is rising because of increased global demand from India and China, now increasingly industrial and tech countries versus their agrarian past, and because of the habitually weak US dollar.
No candidate from either party, can bring down the cost of fuel. Both candidates could offer up some kind of energy tax credit, which just means bigger debt or something else has to be cut too.
If you are an American struggling with your energy consumption expense, you do have choices…choices Europeans have been making for ages. You can trade your vehicle for a more fuel efficient model. You can carpool or take mass transit to work. You can live closer to your employment. You can upgrade the energy efficiency of your home’s systems, appliances, and lighting. You can give up weekends on your four wheelers and powerboats and try bicycles and kayaks.
We pay more for gas because we are increasingly greedy consumers. And, we still pay much less than most people of the industrial world. What will bring down costs is a concentrated effort in curbing consumption. It’s supply and demand. Please stop trying to scare the masses with sound bites, fear, and false hope. Americans need to take a good hard look at the truth, which usually means taking a good hard look at oneself!

Posted by: Amy T | June 8, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

“Lee” I think you are right. Hillary should stay away from Obama–as much as possible…no VP.
If his presidency is a disaster–if more comes out about him, or he makes a few unpopular decisions contrary to what he promised, the backlash will be huge.
The fanatical adoration of Obama will fade fast–and hope and change will be gone.
Let’s hope Hillary is far away from the White House so she cannot be blamed.
If she is his VP they will once again blame the Clintons for his failure.
McCain08 Hillary2012

Posted by: cindy in nc | June 8, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

All that money, the huge rallies to promote a rock star image, the DNC backing, the media in his pocket, the race card played all the time, and Oprah calling him “The One”.
And Obama barely beat Hillary.
And Obama barely leads McCain.
He won… but to millions of us, a flashy smile and a good speech is not enough.

Posted by: cindy in nc | June 8, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

Cindy:
Yes. And the only reason he “barely” beat Hillary was due to that “rock star” image they were all promoting for him back at the beginning of the campagin.
By the end of the campaign, the “rock star” image was fading fast, and the only ones still falling for it were the MSM, the ones who were promoting it to begin with, without knowing ANYTHING about this guy.
The real people out there, the voters, were already seeing through the facade, and that is why Hillary won the majority of the primaries during the last three months of the campaign, many by landslides.

Posted by: Lee | June 8, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

The vote didn’t really change much in the last few contests. You could project those wins from the demographics, as people like Jay Cost at RCP did. There was a little softening, which was due to various factors, including Clinton’s hard campaigning, her taking on underdog status as it was clear Obama was going to win the delegate count, Obama pulling back from those states and campaigning against McCain in potential November swing states, etc. But generally both coalitions held.
Probably what hurt Obama more than anything was Wright. That was hard for people to understand. Personally I don’t think the worst few minutes of Wright reflect anything about Obama, but I can see how it was shocking to people.
It is possible for Obama supporters to overplay the extent to which he can effect gas prices, or whatever. But in general it’s clear to me that McCain is going to keep America going in the same direction as it has been under Bush. If you don’t think it made a difference having Bush instead of Gore as President, well, that’s your opinion, but I disagree. Likewise it makes a difference if it’s McCain or Obama.
Pointing out toxic McCain policies may seem like blackmail to Clinton supporters, but unfortunately it’s still true. Clinton supporters do have a responsibility to educate themselves about what exactly a McCain White House would mean, whether they plan to vote for him or just stay home.
The more Clinton supporters denigrate Obama, the less likely it is that Clinton could win in 2012. People’s memories aren’t that short. If division among Democrats gives the White House to McCain, Clinton won’t be a popular candidate for the nomination in 2012. Payback could continue for a long time. It could even start with the NY Senate race. And of course Clinton would get any cabinet job she wanted under Obama, which is a better platform for her next run than maybe not even getting back into the Senate. This all depends on how much people hold on to their anger. Both sides can hold on to it, you know.
Anyway, I’m not telling anyone to vote for Obama who doesn’t like him. But there is a duty we all have to make an informed vote.

Posted by: Rocky | June 8, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Cindy in Nc,
I agree.
I hope Hillary would thinktwice before she accepts Obama’s offer to become his VP.
Especially after Jimmy Carter’s comments sounded like nailed her down.
Just be prepare, right now the pundits already asked Hillary for help,if Obama failed, She would be the one to be blamed also.
It’s just too bad Hillary was agree to campaign with him all the times.

Posted by: catleya | June 8, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

truth and honesty
Obama has energised 1/2 of the Democratic party and 98% of the media.
I think that it’s way too soon to see if it will be 30% or only 20% of Hillary voters will be going to McCain…actually it depends on Obama…If Hillary is not the VP then we are going elsewhere!

Posted by: Jackie | June 9, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

Self immolation:
watch?v=DLNFsl130_Y
I raise you this bet, there will be a ground swell in Denver should HRC attempt to take hold of the nomination. It is unseemly, unthinkable, and worse unfeeling.

Posted by: Genna | June 9, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Hillary as VP does NOT work for me. I will NEVER vote Obama, not now or EVER whether Hillary is on the ticket as VP or not. Obama is unqualified and unelectable. The democrats are foolish if they nominate him. Really foolish.
The best thing for Hillary, in my humble opinion is to stay off the ticket, have Obama trounced in general election and run in 2012.
In the meantime, let’s raise a glass to hopefully the political implosion of Barack Obama BEFORE the DNC convention in August when the DNC will come crawling back to Hillary!
Let the long overdue vetting finally begin!
If it doesn’t happen, then vote for McCain.
The Democratic party MUST be held accountable for their failure to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism, and voter disenfranchisement continually interjected into this campaign by Obama, his campaign, nasty supporters and ALL media. In fact, the DNC is complicit in disenfranchising voters in Michigan, Florida and elsewhere. It’s unacceptable.
Paybacks are hell, but necessary.
If we fail to speak out now, WHEN???????????
*You must do the thing which you think you cannot do* Eleanor Roosevelt

Posted by: A | June 9, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

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