Dem Guru: McCain ‘Limited’ by POW Years

Beer’s comment is almost lower than Clark’s, if that’s possible. To claim that McCain’s 5 years as POW, his “isolation” left him sadly limited, is ridiculous. #1) Where was Obama in those years? He was a kid. Why not say Obama’s years as a kid during the ENTIRE Vietnam conflict left HIM sadly limited. #2) What a bummer it was that McCain got caught, and tortured. How shortsighted of him to not be thinking of the bigger picture–and eventual run for the white house. Did McCain not “catch up” ever? He can read, he can study, he can learn what he missed. Too bad the Vietcong didn’t have cable back then, then all the POWs could have remained well informed.
What a joke this guy Beers is! No wonder Kerry lost so badly. No wonder the Democrats have lost their soul…they’ve ALL drunk the kool-aid! They will say anything to discredit a man who served his country and prop up a puppet who only serves himself.

bcpchrnn1: It was OK to attack John Kerry in 2004 but not OK to attack McCain now!!!!!! They all served in the army.

Senator Chuck Hagel made exactly the same comments a few days ago. He distinguished the service of army “grunts” who experienced the day to day fighting, with the experience of POWs and pilots. If you are going to criticize Beers then you need to criticize a Republican senator, Hagel, as well.

Any veteran that votes for anyone on the left is a fool. Denigrate a vet’s service, next will be your benefits. Like him or not – you better vote conservative to save your benefits and your reputations.

I am going to disagree with some of the dems on here and say taht i would agree that attacking mccain on serving or his patriotism would be a big mistake such as they did with kerry,
however,
it is completely valid to point out that he has a skewed view of what goes on during war time since he was shot down on his first run.
and to those that say he oculd have gotten let go early because of who his dad was, thats right he could have chose that, but can you imagine the beating his father would have given him had he done that… his father would have been ruined..
hell maybe mccain was like.. hell yes let me out my dads an admiral…
and his dads oh hell no you dont, you stay put little spud.

Lets see. McCain after three years of getting tortured refused to leave his troops behind. McCain saved the life of a comrade. McCain lead his comrades in prayers. McCain was on the tip of the of the spear during the cuban missile crisis. McCain was on the front lines of the cuban missile crisis. McCain lead a squandron of troops. Now look at Obama’s experience. Obama was a street organizer who experimented with drugs. Obama got a sweetheart land deal from rezko. 20 years in wright’s church. A close friendship with Father Pfleger. How Obama is the nominee of a major party is unfathomable.
McCain’s own 19 year old son just came back from Iraq.
McCain has another son set to graduate from the navy academy.
McCain is against a draft.
McCain voted against keeping our troops in lebanon.
McCain is for more troop cuts from petreaus.
McCain wants to turn over the areas to the iraqis and have them deal with the insurgency and bring our troops home.
McCain is a navy man from the silent generation.
McCain hates war.

Ever hear of Henry Ford you uneducated types? Hire a professtional to get the job done and leave the strategery (that’s right, strategery) to the big thinkers.

what about Obama’s massive drug use? Does that explain this statement today?
“The young soldier who first spoke about the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib – he is a patriot. Recognizing a wrong being committed in this country’s name; insisting that we deliver on the promise of our Constitution”
This is Obama’s definiton of a patriot? A terrorist coddler. just like Ayres or Wright. Terrorists do not have constitutional rights either. Obama wants to do away with the second amendment and grant the rights to terrorists.

Hate Bush? Fine. Not on board The Straight Talk Express? OK. But do we really want the Democrats running Congress while also holding court at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? DEM leadership is incompetent.
I’m confident that they (Dems) will find a way to screw up an election by all rights they should win hands-down.

Obama is a disgrace. Obama said McCain didn’t care about the families of troops serving in Iraq.
It is McCain who has visited the troops at walter reed unannounced dozens of times.
Obama goes and has to announce it to get publicity.
McCain’s are one of those families. McCain’s own 19 year old son just came back from Iraq. His wife had to wear a cell phone attached to her wrist the whole time.
Obama then blamed McCain for the floods when McCain wanted to give the levees top priority. Obama is the one who wanted the levees to have the same priority as a museum in mississippi.

Obama committed treason today with this pathetic statement. talk about giving comfort to our enemies.
“The young soldier who first spoke about the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib – he is a patriot. Recognizing a wrong being committed in this country’s name; insisting that we deliver on the promise of our Constitution”

The difference between Kerry and McCain is that Kerry lied about Vietnam. Specifically his “Christmas in Cambodia” speech where he stated: “I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared — seared — in me.” This “epiphany” that he had that made him realize that the war was nothing but a lie was a lie itself. From Kerry’s own journal:”The banks of the [Rach Giang Thanh River] whistled by as we churned out mile after mile at full speed. On my left were occasional open fields that allowed us a clear view into Cambodia. At some points, the border was only fifty yards away and it then would meander out to several hundred or even as much as a thousand yards away, always making one wonder what lay on the other side.” His curiosity was never satisfied, because this entry was from Kerry’s final mission.

If I were an Obama, I’d tell every one of these aholes to zip it.
If they think they’re gonna get votes by trashing McCain’s military service, they’re just too stupid to live
But maybe Obama is the one that’s stupid, once you take away the teleprompoter.

McCain thinks war is patriotic.
This man who says we MUST not talk with unfriendly countries like Iran. What alternative does that leave us?
PERPETUAL WAR!
This is the man who says it was a good idea to abandon the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban for this misadventure in Iraq.
Perpetual arrogance.
This is the man who DOESN’T UNDERSTAND that a competent commander chooses the battlefield where your force has the greatest advantage — not getting stuck in the middle of a multi-sided civil war.
Incompetence.
IRAN LOVES MCCAIN. NOW THIER POWER IN THE MIDDLE-EAST IS INCREASED FOUR FOLD!
When Cuter hosted a meeting to settle the standoff in Lebanon, the US was not even invited.
McCain is a first class neocon war-monger who thinks we should give all investment in our ECONOMIC FUTURE for war for any reason and at any cost.

Coy, do you have no access to a Calander or something? Obama was, oh, about 9 years old when McCain was a POW.
But being a POW is not something that makes you a political leader. He deserves on the accolades he has received from his unfortunate circumstance. But since when has being a POW been a net-positive for someone?
The real question should be about the depotism of the US Navy at this time. McCain graduated near the bottom of his US Naval Academy class, and became a PILOT? He should have been a cook.

n August 1942 the British Government, already at war for three years, was being pressed for space concerning POWs in England and Canada (Britain’s POW population never exceeded 175,000 ­ less than half of what the U.S. would hold). After months of requests by Britain the United States reluctantly agreed to accept an emergency group of 50,000 POWs.
With this acceptance, along with the campaign against General Rommel in North Africa which began in November of 1942, the United States POW population steadily increased throughout the war. It reached its peak between August and November 1944 when over 110,000 German POWs entered the United States.
At its height in May and June of 1945 the German POW population alone in the United States was over 371,000 with a total Axis prisoner count of over 425,000.

General Clarke’s remarks show just how childish some Obama supporters are. This man was FIRED FROM THE MILITARY. Where is his credibility? Where does Obama’s career show patriotism and bavery?
Senator Obama apology is a little late.

“you are an ignorant american who probably thinks rap ing women is fun”
bhrandom… the rpoper responce for a liberal who is losing an aruement to claim that the evil neocon is actually a homosexual who is typing from his mothers basement. You need to get with the program dude and follow the liberal script!

Mai, if Clark was fired from the Military so was McCain. He retired to go into private business after his last post was going to be rotated. He would have been given a new Job. He was a 4-Star General. He wasn’t some Private who wasn’t offered a chance to re-up after his first contract ended. Clark served 34 years in the US Army. He was moved from his position for Gen. Ralston(then on the Joint Cheifs of Staff) to receive a new command. Clark was left without a command, and Retired. Which is normal business.
Sen. McCain declined a position of Rear Admiral when it became clear that do to poor physical exams and never leading an Ocean fleet that he would not make Full Admiral.
McCain has always used his time as a POW to his advantage. In his first run for Congress, when accussed of being a Carpetbagger, he was quoted as saying “As a matter of fact, when I think about it now, the place I lived longest in my life was Hanoi”.

This is funny.
Exactly WHAT does this guy Beers think McCain missed? Woodstock? Haight Ashbury? Janice Joplin so drunk she’s puking all over the stage? Dope & dropping acid?
Maybe he missed all those dim witted “war protesters” (who couldn’t have found Viet Nam on a map of SE Asia) getting pounded on by Daley’s goon squad. Yeah, you’re nothing if you missed all that./s
One thing for sure…Beers is delusional if he thinks anything really important happened during the time McCain was getting the sh** beat out him in Hanoi. Delusional or he did too many drugs himself.

“he just lied to the american people again by crediting john mccain for working to pass a new GI bill
when Mccain OPPOSED that bill”
I’m pretty sure that McCain sponsored his OWN GI Bill and if that’s the case how did Bush lie when he said “working to pass a new GI bill”???????????
This I have to hear!

He did sponser his own GI BIll, unfortunately his bill crashed and BURNED because everyone was helping sponsor Jim Webbs bill
MCcain opposed it, and so did bush
when mccains got shut out and webbs passed, now bush just signed the bill
and he credited mccain for helping work on it…
WHICH HE DIDNT
its such a little crappy political game that makes mccain look good when he was opposed to it, opposed to the troops
and now…
its ok… because he gets credit for it
i have a link
look up this on you tube
Bush credits McCain for GI Bill

I agree with points made from both Pepsiholic and Bhrandon. I would like to know specific plans Obama has for making his “Change”.

Well that one will leave a mark. Thanks Wes. I think the McCain campaign is going to have to act swiftly. No pun intended.

Draftdodger Bubba protested against the USA. He didn’t miss the dope, the marches, the Doors. Anyone think that made him a better candidate?
Anyone think that made Bubba qualified to fight bin Laden? Or anyone else for that matter?
McCain should just respond by asking the American people what they thought of Clinton’s record as Commander in Chief. Ask what they thought of Bubba’s qualifications when our soldiers were dragged thru the streets of Mogadishu.
This guys Beers IS delusional. The last thing Obama should be talking about is QUALIFICATIONS or what qualifies as qualifications. Obama has NONE.

I don’t plan on voting for Senator McCain, but for the life of me I can’t figure out what prompts the Democrats to make these outrageous statements. It really does make it difficult to be taken seriously when comments like this are made.

Obviously, being a POW does not qualify one for being POTUS.

This is so utterly amazing. This totally has Obama’s fingerprints and blessings to it with a “wink,wink,” “you say it and I’ll pretend I’m totally outraged.” Two attacks in two days and Obama giving a speech and “pledge” on patriotism. We all know how he is at keeping pledges. I keep shaking my head and the democratic party – what has happend to it? Have I been blind all these years -was there ever any honor in it? Thi is a total Obama set up – for shame.

Obama sounds like such a wimp always crying, complaining – No thank you to four more years of “Jimmy Carter”
Democrats against Obama – NOt because he’s black because he is a wimp!

I agree with Hillary. Obama doesn’t have the experience to be President.

BHRANDON, McCain supported a different GI bill that would’ve given out scholarships to the people that served the longest. Of course the dem’s don’t want a military at all(they think it’s unnecessary). Just like all these new gun laws. Basically they’re trying ANYTHING to take our guns away. They’re trying to ban lead bullets now so basically a lot of people can’t buy any bullets. What’s a gun without a bullet?? Exactly. Liberals are the fakest pieces of crap I’ve ever seen. You’ll lose this election and then give back Congress soon after that. Remember how the dem’s got it?? By screaming Change Change Change. What the hell changed in two years?? Not a damn thing, actually it got worse.
McCain ’08

Obama was a comunity organizer in chicago, so this makes him qualified? GIVE ME A BREAK

Poor sap to be used by Obama. Like Clark, Beers is the poor ass surrogate for Obama who never has done service for America. John makes them all look like the hapless, sad sack types they are. Well, they will win over the liberals like Teddy and Kerry, but that is all. Americans appreciate John McCain’s long and dedicated service to the United States of America.

Hey UUFORYOU!! How exactly does a little over 3 years in the Senate qualify you??? Who said McCain was running on his Military record anyways?? I think his 21 YEARS in the Senate kind of trump 3 1/2 don’t you think??
McCain ’08

“Somehow being a POW and NOT being a radical on the streets in the Sixties means one doesn’t understand foreign policy in 2008 and that disqualifies someone from being President but having never served does?”
Maybe it means that foreign policy in an Obama presidency will be like foreign policy in 1968… IF the SDS and the Weather Underground were calling the shots at State and the Panthers are running the Pentagon.
Stokely Carmichael for VP anyone?

Maybe the Democrats, who, instead of serving the nation in a time of war during McCain’s service (of which Obama has NONE), were instead throwing their medals over the White House fence, slandering their fellow servicemen, or were perhaps rolling around in the mud on psychotropic drugs and listening to Joan Baez, can tell everyone how this qualifies their candidate to be a more effective commander of the nation’s military.
Let’s go, Donks. Tell us how you REALLY feel about military service.

Incredibly, incredibly irrational stupidity to attack McCain with this infantile level of understanding of air combat and of ANY veterans reaction to an attack on a POW. Terror alone in a cockpit when everyone within 5 miles in any direction can fire at you and terror surrounded by your squad in a jungle where you can’t see 20 feet is the same – TERROR.
Mr. Beers (and Wesley Clark) should consider opening a hotdog stand on a very lonely beach far from the U.S.

McCain even has more time in the House than Obama does in the Senate. So 4+21 to 3.5. Sounds like someone is over their head. How did this guy even get this far??? Good speeches might beat Hillary but they can’t get you the White House. Sorry to tell you that Obamabots.
McCain/Guiliani ’08

To all you McCain People, ur canadate is a joke, he is behind the times, and he is not a war hero,he is a Loser!Bad for this country and wrong on forgein policy!!!
Obama 08′

I accept Obama’s word that he decries personal attacks like Clark’s against McCain. But that won’t make me vote for him! And I find it unacceptable that activists like Mr. Beers and Mr. Clark claim that McCain is not qualified. But this is just a side show to the real question reasonable Americans want to know…who is more qualified to be CIC? A man like McCain that has lived his life in the military and in leadership roles over military decisions in the Congress for many years? Or do we accept a man like Obama who has no military experience…or military Congressional committee experience for that matter? Its not that Obama is a bad guy. He just does not have the experience yet. Give him time to learn from his mistakes and maybe he will learn in 8-years that he was wrong on Iraq’s surge efforts.

Nat Turner, that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Why is it every time someone brings up Obama’s qualifications they just change the subject. You’ve got nothing but a nice sounding concession speech coming up.
McCain ’08

I agree, I don’t think flying a fighter plane and being shot down, and then held for 5yrs as a POW is a qualification for the president. If anything it seems like he was a bad fighter pilot? Now dont get me wrong, I 100% support our troops, but I mean geez. Does that mean every other person that has served in the armed forces qualifies to be president? I think not. I mean, I am sure he has all types of mental issues from war and his experience as a POW. Why would you want someone that is not stable in the head to run this fine country?
I am sure how everyone has heard how the US is going through a brain drain. Well guys, the more I read blogs (especially regarding politics) the more I realize that the brain drain has already happened.
Tough for you stupids, wonderful for us smarts who’s talents/skills/education will be highly paid and wanted :)

Good for nothing republicans, this is for you:
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Remember Kerry? What goes around comes around.

Besides, John McCain couldn’t even tell the difference between Shiite and Sunni muslims, how in the hell do you expect him to do well in the foreign policy arena?

Samian,
The whole country is drinking what you call “Cool Aid”. That explains Obama’s overwhelming lead and subsequent blowout of Buttermilk McCain.
If we’re drinking “Cool Aid”, you must be drinking untreated toilet to tap. That would explain the lack of grasping reality.
DOWN THE HATCH!
You know who your next POTUS DADDY will be. I’ll give you a hint.
He’s the one with the most melanin.
OBAMA 08

macinnac, umm, you are a perfect example of what I am talking about.
Obama has not bashed McCains military service. They actually give him plenty of praise, but just pointed that being a POW is not a qualification for being president.
And what does reintroducing ones self make him stupid?
Thank you for proving my point!

Nat Turner, what would happen if we started calling Obama the “Chocolate” candidate. You monkeys would be screaming racism for 10 years. Of course you can get away with it because……
The country is getting tired of the monkeys like Sharpton screaming racism constantly. YOU are the racists.

NO McSame please! No 3rd term Bush! John McSame wrong for america and is wrong on Forgein Policy!
Obama 08′

Kevin (1st Post), Bravo!!! As a Republican, I am tired of the attacks on McCain’s military service, JUST like I was tired of the attacks on Obama and the belief of his preacher. Both are non-issues in my opinion. How about we have a different election this time and stick to the issues, such as the country’s path forward on Iraq, immigration, health care. These candidates have real differences on the issues, so there is plenty of areas for good debate. Or, do we continue they-said/he-said bickering for the rest of our lives?

Yea, ok Ryan.
You can pull out every little trick you can from your little Neanderthalic backback, except that nothing works.
I’ll see you at the inauguration SWEETIE.
Repeat after me: OOOOOOO BAAAAA MAAAAA
That’s your new Daddy.

Bravo Nat Turner, bra-f-u-c-k-i-n-vo
Thank you for elaborating my point.

Matt g, you’re making no points. I’m guessing you’re 18-20. Nat Turner, you don’t even know your facts. Since when was McCain a POW for 7 years?? You must have had an Obama “57 state” moment.
Like I said before, you’ve got nothing!!!
McCain ’08

Ryan,
I know public school has done you a disservice, but this one is on the house.
DEFINITION OF A RACIST:
People just freely throw around calling people racists like they’re calling them a friend.
Suffice to say, I don’t think many TRULY KNOW the meaning of the word. Allow me:
A racist is someone who has a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others. Does that sound familiar with WHITE AMERICA? Ryyyyyaaaaannnnnnnn
Racism is reinforced with a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine and discrimination. Does that sound familiar with policies WITHIN WHITE AMERICA? Ryannnnnnn Sweetie, Where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuu?
Finally, a racist has hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. That has WHITE AMERICA written all over it. Ryannnnnnn, got your six back?
So, the next time you freely use the word, think before you speak.
Oh, neanderthals can’t help it.
Class is dismissed.
OBAMA 08

McCain is making the same mistake as the Clintons, entitlement. The Clinton’s thought they were entitled to the Presidency because of past service and now McCain thinks the same thing because of his past military service. When you put your military service out it front as a commercial for your entitlement to the Presidency, it is only a matter of time before the reality of that service is exposed. This assessment of McCain is tame compared to some of the name calling and low down remarks made by McCain himself about Obama.

Nat Turner, You’re nothing but a lazy ass porch monkey. Obama’s numbers are going down every time he opens his big mouth. America is starting to notice that he has NO POLICIES and NO EXPERIENCE. You would vote for Al Sharpton if he was running. And can somebody please tell me how Obama is qualified to be President? You guys keep changing the subject.
McCain ’08

OK, McCain was in a hole, so he can’t have experience like this surrogate clown does. It’s getting to sound a lot like politics.

Look at Ryan everyone!
Another cynic bites the dust. I’m good, huh?
I love breaking down neanderthals and making them pull plugs of hair from their already bald heads.
GRUNT GRUNT!
Man, you bore me. However, Barnum and Baily are looking for some good clowns.
OBAMA 08 FOR 8

McCain refused to leave after three years of torture.
McCain while badly injured saved the arm of a comrade and was his physical therapist.
McCain lead his comrades in prayer they named him the leader.
McCain’s injuries weren’t allowed to heal. He had his arms broken so many times. They would hang McCain’s arms from the ceiling. They would tie his arms back so hard behind his back they would snap.
McCain saved a fellow comrade’s arms while McCain himself had broken arms.
The Vietcong knocked out McCain’s teeth.
The Vietcong wouldn’t let his injuries heal when he was shot down and broke his arm and legs.
To this day McCain can’t lift his arms to comb his hair.
McCain’s carrier was the first carrier sent to the waters by cuba during the cuban missile crisis.
McCain lead a squandron of troops later in his career.
McCain was a liason from the navy to the senate.
McCain has been on the senate armed service committee. He is the ranking member of the committee.
What has Obama done?
Obama has no experience. How in the world is Obama qualified to be president.

Many of the GOP’s party’s wiseguys and wisegals see polling data suggesting McCain’s chances of winning are no more than 30% . That sounds about right after Ron Paul and Bob Barr drain the GOP vote from McCain so much, he’s going to look like those fake chickens that claim their the real Foster Farms chickens. PATHETIC.
My Friends, the S*** Talking Express is on blocks, the engine won’t start, and McCan’t doesn’t know how to drive. He’s on a bee line to no where.
WE GOT THIS
OBAMA 08 FOR 8

Breaking Down?????? How exactly did you “Break” me down. By saying Obama’s going to win. Talk about a clown.

OBAMA SUPPORT’S Partial Birth Abortion Procedure
Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby’s leg with forceps.
The baby’s leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
The abortionist delivers the baby’s entire body, except for the head.
The abortionist jams scissors into the baby’s skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole…
The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child’s brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.

NAT TURNER!!!! WHY THE HELL CAN’T YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION. STOP TALKING TRASH AND STATE HOW OBAMA IS QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT.

Though any survivor from being a prisoner of war is heroic, I agree that it is not enough to give someone a political advantage.
Since McCain runs on his military experience as a key advantage over is opponent, it should be questioned in the context of running for President.

Awww, I love it!
Neanderthals…At least when you post under my most esteemed call sign, come with a little more intelligence and critical thinking skills.
I’ll give you another try.
You can do better than that, can’ you NEANDERTHAL?

Liberals have no souls.

NAT TURNER, WHY CAN’T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION?????????????? You’re scum.

Ryan but McCain is running on his Military experience. I am the most qualified, I will save you from a terror attack because I was a POW and I that makes my foreign policy superb.
Wouldn’t you think that someone that was born in a different country would appeal to the rest of the world? He obviously does considering that most people around the world would like Obama to win.

McCain has attended nato security conferences annually. Obama never has.
What makes Obama experienced.
20 years at Wright’s church.
Friends with Father Pfleger.
Getting a sweetheart landdeal from tony rezko while Rezko was under investigation.
What is so great about Obama’s experience.
The McCain bashers love to bash McCain.

“Have you ever met a Vietnam vet? I know a few and they ALL have mental problems in one way shape or form.”
Yeah I know a Nam vet or 2. And the biggest problem they have is listening to people who have never been shot at talking trash about military service.
What makes Clarke less of a soldier than McCain is his remarks about McCain’s service. Got nothing to do w/ medals or commendations…

Man, is this the best the Repugs have to offer?
Your playbook is played out. You guys are on the endangered list soon to be extinct.
IT SUCKS TO BE A REPUG DOESN’T IT?

Isn’t it strange how Obama’s supporters come out and denigrate McCain’s military experience/patriotism all the while Obama says that nobody should put down either of their patriotism. Seems a little too orchestrated to me. Orchestrated like Unity, Independence, etc.

This is pathetic. Now Nat is talking trash about McCain and a teleprompter. Like Obama NEVER uses one. Tell me Nat, have you seen Obama without one?? There’s a lot of um, ahh, oh umm going on. You’re a pathetic person Nat. I can’t wait until the debates. Tell me why Obama won’t accept McCain’s challenges to a series of town hall meetings??? Because he’s a coward like you. Unless he knows the questions beforehand so someone can write up the answers for him he won’t do it. Punk.
McCain ’08

The only thing that sucks more than being a repug is being a whining liberal DEM, that talks a lot od sh##t but dont say a dam thing.

And what happens to the economy? I don’t wanna hear that it wasn’t the Republicans fault our economy is crappy. For every action there is a reaction (cause and affect). So the war is the cause, and our crappy economy is the affect. How does that not make sense? I broke it down in simple terms

Most of the people around the world don’t get a vote. And that’s prolly a good thing, considering some of the leaders THEY have elected.
McCain is running on experience, both military and political. Obama is running on his lack of experience. It’s people who really think that NO experience is a postive qualification for president of the US that scare the hell outta me.

And Fernado, when did McCain call himself a hero?

Honestly, no Obama supporters even know the facts. I know this though, Obama is not qualified to be president. I have no idea where the lib’s are getting off saying that McCain is running off of his time as a POW. A DEMOCRAT started this, don’t you all see you’re being brainwashed?? Have a nice night clown (Nat Turner)
McCain/Guiliani ’08

Two comments:
- Clark has the reputation of being a self-serving “perfume” general. So, I will not take his comments seriously.
- If I were Obama, I would not go there either. There’s a saying that goes: don’t throw rocks at your neighbor if you have a glass roof! He, like many other Americans, is standing tall on the shoulders or many other courageous Americans who have shed their blood and given their lives in the service of this country

I dont know what flying a airplane has to do with being president? Or running a computer? I just say dumb things some time.

mccain is no hero……
he was a prisoner….and like me, he’s a combat veteran..although my time was actualy spent fighting.
So let’s call this foolishness for what it is….an exaggeration at best.
Semper Fi

Wes Clark DID have the reputation of being a self serving arrogant suckup to DC pols who would toss his mama into to fire if he was feeling chilly. But he served so I’ll say no more.
As far as this topic…
Clarke’s actions speak for themselves.

Ryan–I will answer one of your questions. Obama will not do the town hall meetings for the same reasons McCain proposed them. McCain’s motivations were that (1) it would have disrupted Obama’s efforts in the next two months to devote time to (a) repairing party unity (b) building and expanding the grassroots 50 state organization with which he is going to kick your man’s hiney to the moon, and (c) concentrate on fundraising to finance this juggernaut.
This election is like a war. Our side is going to end your side’s smashmouth neocon policies. Your candidates and his surrogates aren’t playing nice, and neither will we. You do not dictate the election process to us. If anything, it is going to be the other way around this time.
I hope that answers your question.

Two of Obama surrogates (informal or formal) in two days using personal attacks. Wow the campaign of change and hope, the out with the old Washington and in with the new? Cannot make sense of this. Obama is dangerously inexperienced and cannot be trusted. Just Say No To Obama!

McCains 25 yrs in congress means squat. He doesn’t know the economy (he even said so himself), he is modeling his presidency after GWB. Anyone modeling the presidency after GWB should be looked and scrutinized thoroughly. Why would anyone want another 4 yrs of Bush and his policies?
His 25 yrs in congress would hold some type of clout, but when he modeled his campaign after Bush, his 25 yrs in congress just went down the drain.

Two of Obama surrogates (informal or formal) in two days using personal attacks. Wow the campaign of change and hope, the out with the old Washington and in with the new? Cannot make sense of this. Obama is dangerously inexperienced and cannot be trusted. Just Say No To Obama!

What ever happened to free speech? Better yet what ever happened to.. if you do not have anything nice to say.. keep your mouth shut.

few,
oh PLEASE the man talks about not talking bad about people’s service yet he has done the same thing to others service. and anything that has to do with how he might run the country isnt a “personal” attack..

Obama camp must have run into some serious negative responses to his lack of military service in focus groups or internal polls.

Obama has not even visited Iraq yet – am I correct?
Obama has not met with the military Chiefs of Staff yet either – am I correct?
Obama did drugs when McCain was a POW!
Obama was never in the military either?
Obama is a “junior” Senator.
I am an honorably discharged foreign service Vet who is most definately voting for a PROVEN man! What kind of B.S. is this anyway? McCain is the Man for the job!!!!!!!!!

John McCain, I am so sorry you have to endure such shoddy politics. You deserve all our respect and for any one especially Clark and Obama but for them to cast aspersions on you tells us all that you are dealing with a low class democratic campaign. John you must understand that these people only know how to hate. They hate republicans, they hate Bush and now they hate you. When you are elected they will hate you everyday your in office, but your man enough deal with these losers, American needs you at this critical time in our history. We don’t need a big mouth kid with
It is a shame our true hero’s are treated this way. Clark is bereft of manhood for the comments he made and should be given the respect he deserves “NOTHING”. Your up against a kid that is great on his feet, but it all stops there. Obama talks the talk but has never walked the walk nor is he capable of doing so. He represents the worst in a politician for he has the ability to charm anyone, but he has no substance, only a big ego backed up with years of doing nothing. He can not deliver on what he says and doesn’t plan on doing so and you take that to the bank. Just look at how he has treated his life long friends, he kicked them to the curb, because he want to be president (Wright was right about Obama). Obama knew these people perhaps better than anyone, yet he acted so surprised.
Hang in there John we need you.

They keep trying the old switch-a-roo. First it was with Hillary, claiming that her only experience was as first lady, now with McCain saying his military experience doesn’t qualify him to be president. This is all done to try and obscure the fact that the empty-suit has no experience at all.
Drop the Zero(Obama) and get with the Hero(McCain)

So this is Obama’s message of “Change and Hope”….. Trashing a POW…..… thru his surrogates…. Guess ole BO has really shown his TRUE colors…… it amazing how the mainstream media is allowing BO to get away with this…….. WHERE is the BIG headline ABC “DEMOCRATIC NEGATIVE CAMPAIGING makes direct hit………… I don’t like JM…. But this is a pretty low blow from BO…..

McCain is a bona fide hero.
After Obama is elected people are going to get pretty depressed here in this country. The hype surrounding this character is just astounding. The possibility that he will change anything is zero, nil. Unfortunately gasoline is at $5 and this is going to be McCain’s downfall.
McCain is a responsible, reasonable, charitable, intelligent guy who speaks truthfully.
Obama is an inexperienced guy who can deliver a speech.
We have a very bad 4 years ahead of us. It’s going to be depressing as hell.

Yeah, like the last eight years weren’t depressing enough. No one in their right mind will vote for 4 more years of failed republican policies. Get real people.

What both Clark and Beers have said were absolutely true, but I see no percentage to be gained by pursuing the line of attack. Demo supporters should move on.

As stated before, politics is a war. If you had a hang nail on your ring finger, it will be in the media. And then it will be in the media. Eventually, the candidate will have to explain his/her experience while having a hang nail on the ring figure, because it will be a critical issue in determining who is qualified to run for public office. What is lost in this “war” like atmosphere is the debate on the real issues; economy, terroism, etc.

“I know, an esoteric response on the meaning of qualify to follow.”
Always better than an esoteric response on the meaning of WMDs.

How do you define patriotism? There are many ways you can but I’ll tell you what it is not. American companies outsourcing American jobs to China and India; US government giving a billion dollars to Mexican government in the name of national security; FDA looking the other way while millions of defective harmful products are imported into this country. Why on earth would we make such a deal over a pin or flag!

id take McCain over the farce obama any day, any time,,,chicken obama , cant even say things on his own, he has to have others do it for him,,,chicken obama cant do town hall meetings, as he knows,, he is to dumb to talk without prewritten pledgerised speeches..how about larry sinclair, should we ask him about obamam? how quailified obamma is, while he was having fun with him in the back seat of the limo? snorting coke? how about that, yeah we need a president who wants to make drugs legal…we need a president who isnt fit to be senator let alone, president…the dems in congress have made the economy go south since they got in control..so they can blame bush..when its their runaway spending, and earmarks for their environmental friends…al gore is a farce, scamming the people of this country 30thousand scientists say hes lying, but he refuses to debate them, he uses the same energy in one month of 232 families…yeah vote dems in if you want to suffer…or become socialized..thats what they want for america..thats why they back obama and so does gadhafi, he tells his people obama is on a clearance sale here, just lying to get votes..he is their brother…yeah vote dems..what a disgrace

Tish, Your post reminds me why I could never vote Republican
Republicans should try becoming socialized some time.
Here’s a hint. It’s not the same as being socialist.

General Clark was a hero in Viet Nam, he took 4 bullets from an enemy AK47 and still continued to direct his men in battle for which he received the Silver Star. What he said about McCain did not question his service rather it questioned if the fact he was shot down and a POW was a qualification for anyone to be President. The media are in love with McCain and never challenge him on anything for fear that he won’t invite them to his next cookout or feel the wrath of his temper. McCain was a POW, a survivor, not a hero. His father and grandfather were Admirals and had he have accepted the Norths offer for release while others remained in captivity he would have disgraced his family and Nation.

George W. Bush will undoubtedly go down as one the worst presidents American history. And we’re talking about electing his carbon copy? I think more money needs to be spent on this country’s mental health problems.

no the obama supporters who love carter and bill clinton, who was a draft dodger, pot smoker, yeah he was real class act..oh monica,,no big deal..he just lied and defamed the presidency..yeah a real wonderful dem president…scandals, let men into our country to go to school for years to learn how to fly the planes that flew into the towers, yeah clinton just wonderful president, he did nothing while our troops were being attacked overseas, so that he could get re elected…yeah , wonderful dems…all they know how to do is raise taxes and behave disgracefully,,,its obvious in these statements against mccain.. yeah dems go get your 2 year old seal and pretend obama is your president..

“he is to dumb to talk without prewritten pledgerised speeches” Yeah….PLEASE keep blogging on McCain’s behalf buddy.

tish, what are you? Twelve? You don’t seem to be a genuine Republican. If you are, I’m embarrassed to be one.

now its time to get rid of affirmative action, they dont need it anymore..they have made it to the selection,,,no more unequal rights..let them do it based on their intelligence instead of using their affirmative..women are the ones who should have affirmative action, and it should be stopped now! its time for americans to fight back and stop giving unequally..let all the people earn it..instead of getting favors..

You don’t have to be much of a detective to figure out that the Obama campaign put their heads together and decided it would be best to attack McCains’ service to his country because it is one of his strong points. As usual Obama sends out his underlings to do his dirty work while he pretends to stay above the fray.

This is non-relevant. Rand Beers in so many words was saying that McCain isn’t able to have a balance view of the use of American troops in foreign countries because he didn’t “experience” Vietnam like soldiers who did fighting but was in a POW camp. I don’t think that’s a valid argument. But I think people are so quick to try to put the opinions of various supporters in the candidates’ mouths. Even though Beer’s comments are not valid I don’t see it as an attack on McCain as a person. But maybe the question should be raised to McCain about what does he feel the use of American soldiers should be in foriegn territory. And hopefully the answer will be something more thoughtful than the overused and vague response of “Protecting American Freedoms”. Personally I don’t think American troops should be used for a political agenda to morph the Middle East into something that it will never be.

Yes tish, count them E-I-G-H-T years of republican failed policies. Put that in yer pipe and smoke it. No one’s falling for your transparent BS or your presumptive candidate’s.

This article is why I am and will remain a REPUBLICAN! Shame on you, Democrats. Shame on you!!!

This is a very poor tactic on the part of the Obama campaign. I predict this strategy will last about as long as that fake Presidential Seal the Obama campaign was trying to use. By highlighting this topic they will bring attention to the experience Obama brings to the table. What are they saying, that a few years as a community organizer is far superior to the military experience of McCain. Obviously an amateur campaign tactic.

M. Summer I bet you weren’t to disgusted when they trashed John Kerry last time or Max Cleland, hypocrites!

Hey dds, this “tactic” is sheer political brilliance. It brought to light two things: 1. McSame’s military experience will be thoroughly examined for it’s relevancy as POTUS, even though the McCain campaign wanted any and all questions of his military service “off limits.” And 2. It was a slap in the face to our docile drive by media who never thought to question any of the above — in their normal republican water carrying dumb ass fashion.

Thanks Anon for pointing out how the democrats are now acting like the Republicans. Didn’t realize that was the kind of CHANGE Obama was bringing.

The recent attacks on McCain’s military service and POW status make me embarrassed to be a Democrat. How low can we sink

What I hear from the Dems is because Republicans may once have picked on Kerry, it is ok to distort McCains service. Of course, Kerry lied about war atrocities he said he saw. He said he was in Cambodia when he was no where near it. So Kerry use of his war record had issues. McCains is well documented. A tortured POW who survived. But never let the Democrats let the truth get in their way. Dean has said months ago he was going to smear McCain. So much for Obama clean campaign. Another flip flop for him like so many others.

You are looking at a man without enough courage to live his life with whatever is/isn’t under that rug on his head criticizing John McCain??????? I don’t think so.

I’m a Democrat who was going to vote for McCain over Obama, anyway, because of his refusal to allow my state to speak before declaring victory and, most importantly, because he has avowed to murder my in-country military members by wrecklessly evac’ing them. Now, I am a Democrat who will change my registration to Independent. From the four-star who whined, badgered, and extorted for a 5th star (which he never got because it went to the point of him being relieved of command and fired), to a “someone” who does not know that more than 35 years have passed since the captivity and torture. Those are not the men that my men serve with, today. Their man is not the man that I want leading my men. Period. They are embarrassments. Perhaps they should go to the Muslim countries along with Senator Obama and they can all offer their services. Disgusting.

Beers was a marine capt. who pulled two tours in viet nam .. as rifle company commander ..

Sick of the two corporate criminals yet? Nothing will change with Obama or McCain and anyone with a pulse knows it. You do have a choice and it’s a proven leader and the most effective fighter against the evil that is Corporate America this country has ever known. A true civil servant and advocate of the people with a proven 40 year track record of leadership for the average American and his name is Ralph Nader. You do have a choice America Nader/Gonzalez in 2008!!!

If you want to become the president of the Unites States, go become a fighter pilot, fly in harms way, get shot, get held a hostage for five years, get released, run for the Senate and then run for President! You will be more qualified to defend this nation should it get attacked than…say Roosevelt who presided during America’s finest hour in World War II without serving a day in the military did. What a bunch of bull. It’s like that guy Rudy Giuliani who thought being in NY on 9/11 qualifies him to become President! What did he do on that day? He surely did not stop the attacks! So what made him more qualified? He thought he could fool the American people but the American people sent him packing from Florida. And to think that this guy chose Florida as his make it or break it State for his campaign??? Avery fool knows when it comes to elections, never bet on Florida. Just ask Al Gore! Now McCain is trying to sell us the same poison? How many times are going to drink the same stuff? Not this time!

Then I guess by this LOGIC that all the time Obama spent out of this country makes him less capable in leading this country. Not to mention his vast service of 3 years in the senate and the fact he never felt it worthy to join this country’s military. RIGHT!!!

Thressa Price Why do you continue to repeat the lies about Obama. Pledge with hand over heart was a faked photo by the right wing and you know it. Obama has a web site( fightthesmears.com ) that debunks these lies.

has that Guru ever worn the uniform of the United States Armed Forces, even for a day????

Richard McDonough: I applaud you!!!
Geev

Why is this Obama’s fault? And how is Obama being blamed for choosing to go to college?(instead of the military. Obama has his opinions and other’s have theirs. We are taking about being qualified for President not for the military. MCain says he knows nothing about the economy-he knows nothing about working in the “real word”- he has no answers for the gas price problems- He is good as a war advisor maybe-we need someone more than a war person-we need healthcare- poverty help-and better world relations-John MCcAin by his own mouth say he knows nothing about this-He is not qualified for PRESIDENT.

QuietMan – I disagree with your statement that Kerry doesn’t compare to McCain because he came back to protest the war. I think anyone who fought for are country honorablily is a hero, especially if they were in the line of fire. I don’t agree that the only patriots are the citizens that are for war. Citizens against the war are patriots also. Not every war is a good idea. If everyone against the war in Iraq had been quiet and giving President Bush a pat on the back, we would have been in Iran a couple years ago. The stupid thing some anti-war groups did during the Vietnam War was to show disrespect for our soldiers and treat them as part of the problem. It was government that was making poor decisions about what situations are worth the lost lives of our family members as soldiers. Some wars were justified, like WWII and Aghganistan. Some wars are optional like Iraq and Vietnam. If it is optional, then we better weigh the cost of life, the separation of soldiers from their families, our preparedness for the war,and options other than war before we commit.

Obama – crackhead, drunk
McCain – war hero
Enough said…

The Obama camp has sunk to a new low. I thought it wasn’t possible but they are now at the bottom of the barrel.

This is really bad. I was supporting Obama till now and Obama lost my vote.
McCain’08

Do republicans want to talk about obama smoking crack on the same time McCain was serving country.
McCain’08

I think all of the crack Obama smoked has killed some brain cells. I agree he is not responsible for what others say but he seems to have lost control of his campaign staff. If he can’t even control his staff why would anyone think he can control this country.

Looks like after the 2nd plane crash McCain’s commanding officer would have realized the man had no business flying.

Im4thiscountry: It seems to me that if you are talking “credible candidate” you are not talking about Obama…Obama has NO credentials to run on…he only has a big mouth spouting irresponsible policies that show he does not know what he is talking about! He has a history of associates that would make the mafia cringe!! No one knows where he stands because he moves his positions on anything depending on his audience!! Makes one wonder what his true agenda is!!

No wonder Republicans ruled white house 28 years out of 40 years. You democrat idiots never get it
McCain’08

Obama is running the most negative campaign I can ever remember. He seems afraid to do it himself and hides behind his staff. Why is he afraid to have a debate with McCain? I think I’m starting to understand why.

Ummm…Coy, I reread Obamas book. Nowhere in it did he reference doing drugs between the ages of 6 and 11. Those were the years that Sen. McCain was making tapes for the North Vietnamese…check your facts sir.

“Why doesn’t John McCain wear a flagpin?” Because he cannot pin it on his lapel. Just lifting his arms is the Pledge, the Salute, and the Anthem, at each and every moment. A little different than being challenged by ascending a pipe to one’s lips..

I talked to my son in Iraq and he said the troops are taking it pretty personal that Obama is attacking former military people. Even though the attacks don’t appear to be coming directly from him they know who is pushing the button. Sad that he ruined the democratic party and is now trying to destroy the whole country.

skyebeader: he has enough people. Why doesn’t he have someone pin it on for him. That was a lame excuse.

McCain Dems and sour-grapes
former candidate Hillary
Clinton supporters:
You want McCain you’ll get
McCain.
You want melanoma you’ll get
melanoma.

Marinedad: Have you actually listened to what has been said about McCain? No one in there right mind would ever tarnish his service record. He is a hero to alot of people. But, That being said. Does his service make him better qualified to be president?

Thinkharder: Take that a step father. It is like a surgeon who does appendectomies thinking he is qualified enough to do Brain surgery. Would you let him operate on you?

Jeff – You must be 16 if you think Obama is running the most negative campaign I can ever remember. This is the peaceful period. Wait until both of them officially become presidential candidates at their conventions and there is only a couple months left before the election. Attack groups will be spinning every clip of the opponent since the beginning of the campaign with stupid things they have said. It is kind of like Candid Camera on steriods. The average citizen will have no clue what the truth is. It will be just as bad as the last couple presidential elections. Not a proud period in American history.

Just serving in the military
does not make you an expert
on militray or national
security matters. There are
a whole lot of dumbass
blockheads who served in the
military.

Obama’s record as a community organizer makes him qualified to be Commander in Chief……..NOT !!! Give me a person that has acually defended this country any day over some one who hangs out with racists and domestic terrorists.

Skyebeader…sorry for your loss. That however bestows upon you anything. Your brother’s sacrifice should be honored. It does not, however, make your argument any more credible.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK HAS 30 MEDALS PLUS A PURPLE HAT AND GOT SHOT IN VIETNAM !! HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKIN ABOUT. MCCAIN IS A WARMONGER!!!

LACNARC: Actually being a community organizer is a hard job. You have to have good communication and beable to work with people. I think all people that say it doesn’t help make him qualified should try it for about 2 or 3 months. I was always told not to critize a job if I have never done it. It will probably be harder than you think.

I Am A Democrat In Every Way! This Will Be My First Time Voting Republican in 40 years!

Nobody “attacked” anybody. Compared to what the Republicans did to Max Cleland, this was a friendly joshing.

“Why is there a double standard?” There is no such thing. If someone can grow up in the lap of luxury, being raised by a grandmother who was the VP of the largest bank in HA, while imbibing in substances and attending a private, per-pay school, it is exactly the same as someone who got out of a POW camp with broken bones about the same time, who had served before and afterwards, and went on to serve the public for 3 decades afterwards, as opposed to less than a year before beginning the onslaught campaign. = =

mfmros: you were for Hillary, Right? Ok, she said alot of things bad about Obama, Obama said some things about her. OK so far? she did not win, right? Ok! Did you believe in what she stood for? Because, if you did, you would never consider McCain. I can understand that you are hurt. After all, she said she would take it all the way to the convention Right? Be she is not. Now, for just a moment. put yourself in her position. She has to go back to the Hill to work. Do you think she would have a career if she actually went all the way to the convention? Most likely not. You have to remember, this is politics. You sometimes say things in the heat of the moment, but later on you have to get along with your aponnant. We try and teach our children good sportsman ship. That loosing is not the end of the world. I know that Hillary will be very disappointed in her followers that vote for McCain, because they never really undersood what she was about.

Iam4thisCountry | Jun 30, 2008 10:20:50 PM…Don’t kid yourself dude…Hillary will be laughing her butt off if it turns out her supporters voted for McCain. It would put her in perfect position to run again in 2012.

Dems for McCain – Church socials? One of the things Obama did as a “community organizer” was to help out families where people were laid off at the steel mills. It is ironic that the Obama haters claim Obama has no way of knowing what the “working man’s” problems are, then you belittle the one thing that taught him exactly that!
No, it didn’t give him foreign policy experience. No one ever said it did.

Does anyone remember when the term FLIP FLOP was relentlessly used by the GOP against Kerry? You never hear it now from them… do you know why? Because their candidate has a LOOOOONG list of flip flops… they stay away and argue trivial matters.

Mccain is the manchurian candidate; captured, brainwashed and ready to lead the world with the republic of china.
Mccain certainly thinks he is going to win the war in Iraq like the leaders thought we would win in vietnam. Looks like Rand beer have him pegged pretty good

Actually, it was a pretty stupid thing for Rand Beers to say. Clark’s comment at least made more sense. The point is, despite the honor due McCain for his service, it doesn’t necessarily say anything about his qualifications for President.

LADNARC: The only person who is kidding themselves is you. If Obama looses alot of people will blame Hillary for the loss. She will probably be in no position to run again, ever. I like Hillary, I would vote for her for president if she had won. she didn’t. But,even by the time hillary can run again, Roe v wade will be over turned and we will have very conservative judges in the supreme court and Hillary will not be able to do a thing about it as the Supreme Court judges are appointed for Life by the President. Dream on!!!

McCain will keep the war going
while the economy keeps eroding.
The dog house for McCain not the
White House.

The viewpoint of a typical liberal: . . . . . “We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly.” . . . . Great stuff. . . . I wonder what Obama’s views on Vietnam were at age 6, while McCain was busy being “out of touch” with America as a POW.

Lord of war -
You’re not helping anybody. Smearing McCain is just as bad as smearing Obama or Clinton. It just reflects badly on your candidate.

Thressa Price: Is bitter butter better?

Obama’s community organizer skills were about as good as his skills in standing up to the nuclear industry. Both were big failures.

“Hey Skyebeader…nice excuse…so, who clips on his tie then?” Who would care? That was not the initial question. I answered that one succinctly. I notice that Senator McCain goes open-collar, more often than not. Speaks volumes.

Independents, two clowns have popped up in successive days, look .I will not repeat all the crap obama has on him. religion , criminals,blah, blah , blah. But, to “hide”behind dumb butts. Well, obama , you better pucker up for my vote.

Royce: “Now John McCain can’t be president because is a veteran?”
What? Nobody said that. Where did you get that from?

To Steve in NJ. While you’re shuffling through tapes and making threats, tell us how voting for democrats and social engineering has helped New Jersey… or would you be one of the enlightened, wealthy intellectuals whom it doesn’t affect?

It looks like Obama wants to play “swift boat” with President McCain. When Obama gets a real record with accomplishments, let us know.

bhrandon: it is completely valid to point out that he has a skewed view of what goes on during war time since he was shot down on his first run.
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Actually, he was shot down on his 23rd combat flight in Vietnam. This is a matter of public recrd. Search for John McCain in wikipedia. And please stop spreading misinformation.

I have worked with the military for 37 years. Our military is great. If Obama and his goons want to cut on McCain’s military service, they will loose this election. It takes a real man or woman to put on that uniform and put your life on the line. We should be grateful for our military.
Go McCain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sea_Astro333
The BEST post of the night !

How can someone as unpatriotic as Obama make is so close to the White House?
The change we are looking for as a Nation is not the first Non-White or Female President. The change we need is someone with the backbone to say enough is enough, let’s take care of our own country. Let them deal with their own problems. And sure enough ( other than the Taliban ) everybody who has denounced the US will beg for forgiveness.
I will not vote for a person who goes to a hate church, who doesn’t know the words of our country’s national anthem, who turns their back on the American Flag or who spent their youth puffing the jeeba while others such as McCain served our country.
God help us if McCain is not elected.
Posted by: Sea_Astro333 | Jun 30, 2008 11:01:00 PM
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Thanks – words of wisdom

It’s embarrassing to be a Democrat these days, so many boneheads. Obama may have brought in a lot of new zombies into the party and its clear that they don’t think before they speak. What an idiot!
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Obama, the architect of BitterGate!!!
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McCain spent 22 years in military service and 26 years in public service. I think under the circumstances the Obama group better move on and not attack on experience. Obama’s entire time in the U.S. senate has been spent running for president and no military service. Yeah I can see why they would say McCain is not qualified to be commnder in chief. I am a democrat but more and more I see politics as usual with Obama and I will have to now be counted as a crossover voter.

Thanks W. Orrin Eldred

Proud U.S. Navy Veteran
also
Aerospace Engineering Student.

“One of the things Obama did as a “community organizer” was to help out families where people were laid off at the steel mills.” Then, why didn’t they get another job? Why didn’t they work their backsides off retraining through programs? Why didn’t they give themselves a hand up and stop expecting a handout? I grew up on a res. I didn’t see any “community organizers” in the neighborhood. You either pushed yourself, or you died. Only a few did the latter so honorably on the black wall. If I have to choose between drugs and military service, there is no doubt which side I support. BTW, I’ll be one that will have my income “diverted”.

In McCain’s case being a POW most certainly qualifies him to be Commander in Chief. It speaks volumes to his character. For five years he was tortured and imprisoned, many, many weaker men would have shriveled up and died – this man not only survived but he turned around and served his country for another 21 years!
Tell me again about how terribly hard and tough it is to be a paid community organizer who freely moves about the community, who is getting three square meals a day, who can live, love and laugh. Has the comforts of home free of regular beatings and torture. Tell me again about Obama’s great sacrifice for his country in being a community organizer and how this qualifies him for Commander in Chief.
Obama put his surrogates up to this shameful bashing and it will backfire on him.
Good night all.

Obama can make loud speeches and fiercely attacks his opponents. But I don’t think he is that brave to serve in the military for his country.

It is not “bashing” to debate the relevance of certain specific parts of McCain’s past.
Confronting the problems on the streets of Chicago is one of the things this campaign IS about. Creating an economy that grows jobs and lifts up working families is something this campaign is about. And Obama’s experience working to bring people together to overcome challenges is more than relevant; it is essential.
Surviving torture, while a sacrifice we should respect McCain for, is not something this election is about. If that’s the experience he hangs his hat on, he’s looking for the wrong job. He should teach a class at one of the Military Acadamies.

BRIAN: just said being a fighter pilot was not a credential. Who disagrees with that?
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I don’t disagree. But Clark conveniently neglected to mention what I described in my last message above, which is well established through the testimony of other POWs in the Hanoi Hilton. The level of honor that McCain showed by refusing early release from years of torture ahead of other prisoners shows a depth of character that many soldiers do not have. His resilience in coming back from an experience that would destroy most people (and did destroy the lives of many vets) to some of the highest successes of our country indicates that this is a man of genuine character. His long record of willingness to part from his party on matters of principle indicates that he thinks for himself. He is, in fact, the antithesis of what democrats have criticized in Bush – that Bush doesn’t think for himself, that Bush has never actually sacrificed for his country, that Bush will always vote the “neocon line.”
I wish McCain had won in 2000. It wouldn’t have prevented 9/11, but our responses would have been dramatically different. McCain didn’t just learn the lessons of Vietnam. He lived them. He paid the price.
Being a pilot is not a qualification to be president. Being a hero is not a qualification to be president. A good president must balance an outrageous workload where the slightest mistake can have terrible repercussions, think for himself or herself, and lead with sound judgment and personal honor. When I review the last 40 years of history of both candidates, there is little comparison. Obama is an excellent guy and even though my policy choices diverge from his, I think the Senate is a better place for him. But McCain has my admiration, my gratitude, and my vote.

“McCain had the heart not only to endure that torture, but to be a leader and a source of inspiration to his fellow POWs. Read their accounts of their time with him as POWs in Hanoi.”
One of the Delegates to Minn is from CO and a former “roomie” of McCain’s at the Hilton, and he refuses to talk at length to this day. He makes McCain look like a runway model in terms of disability. While I am physically disabled and can hardly walk from natural causes, I cannot imagine their bravery under fire, and torture, and out-and-out brutality. I want someone who thinks it out, not someone who whines and gets fired over a “star”. You can buy them in flea markets – get over it Wes, you will not be anyone’s VP.

Wow, Looks like the GOP sent its dogs on a mission today!

Skyebeader: On October 27, 1967, four days after being shot down, McCain called for a North Vietnamese guard. He told the officer, “O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.” -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
McCain was taken to Gai Lam military hospital. “Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship’s name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant.” Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain
On Nov. 9, 1967, Hanoi press began quoting the seriously injured McCain giving specific military information.
One report dated read, “To a question of the correspondent, McCain answered: ‘My assignment to the Oriskany, I told myself, was due to serious losses in pilots, which were sustained by this aircraft carrier (due to its raids on the North Vietnam territory – VNA) and which necessitated replacements.
“‘From 10 to 12 pilots were transferred like me from the Forrestal to the Oriskany.
“‘Before I was shot down, we had made several sorties. Altogether, I made about 23 flights over North Vietnam.’”
In that report, McCain was quoted describing the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place. …a sellout this MccCain.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcainmdl.htm
Get over it. McCain is no Nelson Mandela.

Dan – that has to be the most nonsensical argument I have seen in ages – the crime rate is up in Chicago -OMG! Get a grip – it is up all over the ountry – especially in metro areas. Near the large city where I live there ate 2-3 shootings a day…we have had innocent children shot and killed in their beds when they were sleeping because of stray bullets – Senator Obama is not responsible for the high crime rate in Chicago or any other place – GEEZ!

Obama sure has a way to have his people and followers spew hatred and smear attacks.
From Day Obama has lead the evilest campaign, attacking people trying to make everyone seem so bad. Then he steps on stage and acts like mr innocent. When all along him and his followers are the nastiest evilest hateful bunch around.
People do that when they can not run on their own merit.
I don’t think a day has gone by that obama has not attacked & Abused someone in a speech or a statement or interview or ad or email. Or one of his lackeys doing it.
Obama you are disgusting and pathetic.

Jake – excellent post. Thank You.

Here we go again! Is it a ploy to have General Clark and this Beers guy attack McCain’s military service as inconsequential to a leadership role? Since when do a person’s life experiences not have a consequence on the ability to lead? I am very disappointed in Wes Clark and the way he attempted to diminish McCain. Obama seem to have it both ways: while surrogates do the bashing and attacks, Obama can look lofty and stay above the fray. Well, that won’t work. It is the same as double-talk that he does everyday. While others attempt to diminish McCain’s military service as irrelevant to preparedness to lead, Obama gets another pass. Not so fast! What did Obama do with his life?
When you look at the backgrounds and resumes of both candidates, one surpasses the other by leaps and bounds. While John McCain was courageous in military service and suffering as a POW, Obama was using drugs and getting acquainted with a lot of low life characters. John McCain has experience and a record of service that far surpasses the first-term Obama. Each time such ploys are used to denigrate McCain, people just take a deeper look at Obama and find him woefully empty and lacking in knowledge and experience.

Sandy, I have missed your point, entirely. I have read the book, I have also read both of Senator Obama’s. Could you expand, please?

But do not forget McCain’s role in swiftboating against Kerry:
“Today the McCain campaign held a conference call unveiling a new “truth squad” Web site designed to defend McCain from attacks on his military record, such as the one uncorked by Wesley Clark yesterday.
On the call, the McCain camp rolled out a leading surrogate named Bud Day — who was described merely as a fellow POW of McCain — who blasted such attacks. “John was slandered and reviled in the 2000 campaign in a way that denigrated his service enormously…it was absolutely important to face this issue right off the bat.”
But guess what — it turns out that this very same Bud Day was featured in the Swift Boat Vets ads attacking John Kerry in 2004!
To make matters even better, recall that McCain himself condemned the Swift Boat Vets. Yet now the McCain campaign is cheerfully enlisting someone who did what McCain claimed to decry — attacks on Kerry’s credentials — and using him to defend McCain against the same sort of attacks.”

Listen to all of you stupid assed blowhards trying to sound like true patroit sons while america goes to hell in a hand basket. You worry about what you can do nothing about. He’s what you should worry about. Your kids are running wild, gas will be $6.00 a gallon by next summer, and most americans are loosing their homes. All those nice toys you own ( I mean the bank owns ) are now for sale on your front lawns across the country. And you worry about what some idoit said. I have seen this before. You can’t fix stupid or can you? When you can’t afford to eat, or have to watch everything you have get repossed, then you’ll learn how to vote. When your job is gone to india and you loose your health care, then you’ll learn how to vote. When you watch your children suffer because of your selfishly held views on rich politicans care about you, then you’ll learn how to vote.And when you finally get to the point that the word revolution sounds good to you, then it’s too late to learn how to vote!! In 2000, the supreme court elected your president. In 2004, crooked politicans in ohio elected your president. It’s time to take back our country in 2008. F.D.R. and IKE. J.F.K. and REAGAN. Now they we’re real men. No sissys in the bunch, not like bush and clinton. I won’t vote for either clown.I know the real man is Ron Paul.And that’s who can bring this fractured nation back from the dead. Please stand up like a man and tell the republicans and the democrats to go square to hell. Who needs em.

vuzous – Senator Kerry injured himself (a scratch, he couldn’t even do that right – “oh, Theresa, help me with more money” – to get another (more) medal and proclaimed that military members were raping, killing, maiming children. In front of Congress. Max Cleland got appendages blown off by getting drunk on base. I went ape when my brother was killed and wore 6′ leather fringes on my leather jacket in violent protests. Only to get beaten by police, handcuffed, thrown in jail, for days. I remember like it was yesterday when the black car pulled into the driveway with two uniforms before I went off and way. I am going to ask a couple of very serious questions. Exactly how old were you when those events happened to you? How did you react to the military honors? What did you do when they handed you the cornered flag? What did you say to the backhoe driver that just threw clumps of dirt and worms on your hero? How many times do you wake up a week to this day, 40+ years later, and see yourself when your brother draped you in his uniform for a “funny picture” in an old photo booth?
And the community organizer left you with what memories that you can trade mine for? He is going to make it better, how?

anon – the Navy would have blown McCain out of the service had it not been for his daddy and grandaddy – and it ia not only the fighter jets – it is the lives lost on the Forrestal because McCain was showboating, the fact that he sold out to the enemy after four days of capture – how McCain can stand in front of anyone and say he is proud of his service record is beyond all understanding. McCain was against torture and then caved into the White House point of view – Friday and today McCain took credit for the GI Bill – a bill he vehemently opposed, did not show up to vote on, but showed no shame in taking credit for it passage. The GI Bill was Jim Webb’s baby and he worked his a$$ off to get it passed.

I don’t know who this guy Beers is but it sounds like he’s had one to many. What a Bum! Him and other Liberals like General Westley Clark who put down John McCain should have comments on their military records. Let’s see what kind of hero’s they are? Westley Clark who put down McCain’s five and a half years as a POW and twenty-three combat missions only served one month as a Captian in combat in Veitnam. The only combat he was exposed to in his entire career. He ran for President using his military record. This guy Budwiser or Beers whatever I only wish his military record if he has one was public so we can see what a hero he is. John McCain’s military record and POW experiece shows us his character and his Iron will to survive and his unselfishness because he could have left his fellow comrads but he refused to leave them. Obama in my opinion is just another lying, silver tounged Bill Clinton.

Peace~ the thing about Obama not placing his hand over his heart when saluting the flag is so old. Honey, where have you been? Everybody knows about it. They were singing the national anthem and not saying the pledge of aligience. You don’t place your hand over your heart when singing the national anthem. Well, you could if you want but…you know.

Wes Clark answered the questtion honestly. Being a POW does not qualify you to be president. His leadership in the military did not qualify him either. Was his pow experience heroic? NO. He broke down and made propaganda films for the viet cong. He went thorugh torture but broke down.
Why has it become that when a soldier story is questioned, it is politically incorrect?

For the sake of argument, let’s concede that McCain is not experienced enough. How is it that Obama is experienced enough? What does he have that McCain doesn’t? a Harvard Law degree? If anything, that is an argument against his qualifications. An aside: Funny how his Harvard Law degree failed to give him a basic understanding of the Constitution. Re: Voting to ban guns in his own state, supporting the DC gun ban, then claiming that he agreed w/ the Supreme Ct’s ruling. Also says a lot about his lack of conviction on any issue. He’ll just say whatever is politically expedient for him at the moment.

Gen Clark’s senseless attacks against McCain’s military service demonstrated Obama’s desperation of losing the race. To have someone like Gen Clark as an advisor shows Obama’s lack of judgement. I don’t want to belong to a party that is lacking good judgement by selecting a candidate that is not qualified.

People, please understand what is being expressed before replying.
All you hear about McCain from his side is that he was a POW for 5 years. Thats it, and he has milked that for everything that it got him. There are a lot of valiant POWs who were not from privileged families that suffered even more and continue to suffer to this very day and doubt any of them get the $58,000 dollars a year tax free that McCain gets for being a disabled veteran. So if McCain wants to cast so much light on his military experience, he deserves to have it fully investigated and he can put this entire issue about his competence and military deeds to rest by giving the Navy permission to release his entire Naval File like John Kerry did instead of the 17 pages he only allows to be viewed. From what I understand his file is over 676 pages long and to only release 17 pages of it, that only relate to your POW medals, tells me and a lot of people that there is alot there that he isnt that proud of, that tells you the truth of what kind of student and soldier his was. I would expect someone getting a free Naval Academy education to finish better than at the bottom of his class and thats just one of the facts that can’t be disputed.
None of the other people were attacking McCains patriotism or service, but his judgement and his views are open to attack especially when he is using his so-called military experience as a measuring stick for others to base their opinions of him.

Mr. Obama is Socialist like most of Democrats. He is the part of the horrible problem we have in the Chicago – Cook county -Ilinois area. All levels of administration are corrupted to the bone. Taxes (fees)- highiest in the USA. And gues what: ; Head of all: City, County and State level is DEMOCRAT.Let’s have another DEM on national level ! ! !

Typical democrats – no new ideas, they just coattail on the backs of Republicans. They have such a weak candidate that they have to steal Rove’s genius from 4 years ago by trying to label McCain a flip-flopper and discredit his service. The only problem for the democraps is that the Republican’s attacks on Kerry were true and they just look like fools when they spread lies like this. A vote for Obama is a vote against the future of the US.

These Obama mouth-pieces should be damn ashamed of themselves. Keep up the derogatory comments about McCain’s POW years and you may not win one state in November, you ignorant fools.
Here is a story for you libs: My sister is a vet from GWI. She is disabled. She wrote letters and called the offices of Sens. Sarbanes and Mikulski (her senators from Md, which are hard core socialist pigs). They ignored her requests for help in getting the disability process for her moved along. So she calls John McCain’s office, who is NOT her senator. Guess what? In a few weeks she got 1/2 of her disability thanks to Sen McCain. He spoke to her personally. Has John Kerry done anyhting like this? He just walks around the Senate with his head up his arse.
I do not agree with all McCain’s views, but the man is a hero, loves his country, supports the troops and vets. Obama is a joke. Any idiot that votes for this loser should take up residency in Moscow, you slimy little pigs.
This is OUR COUNTRY. I have family that have died in the Revolution and the Civil War, as well as WWI, Korea, and VietNam. Almost lost a nephew in Iraq.
Don’t lecture us on patriotism and what it means to be an American. You sat in your damn anti-American, anti-white church for 20 years. You sicken me, sir.
Wake up America; say NObama! Get out and vote for the hero. And vote against Reid and Pelosi while your at it.

Can anyone explain what it means to be 100 percent disable? Why should it be wrong for anyone to question John McCain’s suitability to be presedent of the United States when he declared 100 percent disable? The question is simple: is he, or is he not fit?

Both Obama and McCain are
qualified.
But McCain is the wrong man
for the job.

McCain was offered an early
release by the North Vietnamese.
He refused.
They considered him an important
POW because his father was an
admiral in the U.S. Navy. He
got special treatment.
He stayed behind because he liked
the publicity and the limelight
the North Vietnamese provided him
and became a willing participant
in their efforts to mobilize
worldwide opposition to the war.

Someone should tell the jackass that asked the question to begin with that nobody wants to draft his idiot son into the army. The idea that we would stick the army with a bunch of dolts that would probably wind up shooting themselves in the foot is laughable.

Why did the North Vietnamese, during a war, decide it was OK for John McCain, a prisoner of war, be able to just go home. He was an officer. He was bombing their country. Why would they just up and say… this guy is pretty cool, lets let him go home and keep the rest of his men. Were they letting other officers go home too. Plus if he did go home he could have gave our guys some clues as to where thry were. Something really doesn’t ound right here. Someone tell me why they were going to let him go. Why did he have an option as to whether he could go or stay. Help me understand this. There must be a logical answer, I just don’t know what it is.