Vote Tally: Can We Just Call it a Tie?
EmailBarack Obama won the delegates, but who won the vote?
We’ll never know for sure. But results from the South Dakota and Montana primaries – where Obama netted a total of 17,128 votes – do allow us to compute final estimates, using the parameters and suppositions I’ve outlined here and here.
Conclusion: Give Obama zero in Michigan and Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, as she’s grown fond of claiming. But give Obama 40 percent there (the “uncommitted” vote, and pretty much what the DNC Rules Committee did), or leave out Michigan, or leave out Michigan and Florida alike, and by our calculations, he did.
The margins, though, are ridiculously thin: With the Michigan uncommitteds we estimate an 82,881-vote margin for Obama out of more than 37 million cast, or two-tenths of one percent. With nothing for Obama from Michigan, it’s a Clinton margin of 155,287, or four-tenths of one percent. Exclude Michigan entirely and it’s Obama by half a percent. Exclude Florida as well and it’s Obama by a smidge over 1 percent.
Those are squint-thin margins, in calculations that necessarily don’t hold up to much hard squinting. In popular vote, here’s a proposed compromise: Let's just call it a tie.
With FL vote and With FL vote and MI uncommitted to Obama MI zero to ObamaObama 18,697,142 18,458,974Clinton 18,614,261 18,614,261 Ob +82,881 Cl +155,287 Without With FL, MI and FL Without MIObama 17,882,760 18,458,974Clinton 17,414,966 18,285,952 Ob +467,794 Ob +173,022
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Hillary is the example of a Machiavellian human gone completely over the deep end much the same as some historical dictators like Stalin, Lenin and so on. If she cannot have the pie, nobody can or so her delusioned brain thinks.
Posted by: rockychance | June 4, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
It’s not a tie, Obama won more. AND he won the educated voters too. That says something.
Posted by: mike | June 4, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
This delusion really needs to stop. As Americans we know from day one it’s about delegates. Have some respect for all parties and let’s move on.
Posted by: jAYjAY | June 4, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
For those supporters who going through a rough time.. here are the five steps of grief after suffering any major lost.. so we will give you time to recover and let the healing begin..
1. Denial (last 2 months)
2. Anger (nomination speech)
3. Bargaining (begging for VP)
4 Depression (not getting VP)
5. Acceptance (i.e Voting for Obama in the general election..
YES WE CAN!!! UNITE!
Posted by: Lawrence | June 4, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
As she trumpets her recent wins, please keep in mind that as these primaries played out, Obama had already gone into General Election mode after Ohio and Texas ensured that there was no way that Clinton could catch him.
As the Clinton campaign went into the “kitchen sink” strategy, going negative over Rezko, Wright, Ayers etc. please notice that the Obama campaign never mentioned Norman Hsu, Denise Rich, Rose Law records, the Bill Clinton foreign investor connections and terrorist Pardons etc. All things that the Republicans would have used. Instead Obama, knowing that he’d need to bring in Clinton supporters, took the negative hits without returning them. If he had played it like the Clinton campaign, she would not have run off anything close to this string of victories.
It will be different in the final. He does not have to play nice like this with the McCain campaign and if McCain goes negative expect Obama to respond in kind, neutralizing the negative benefit.
Posted by: The Other Ed | June 4, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Don’t even try to beat the dead horse or resurface the unrealistic issue. WE PLAY BY THE RULE.
Posted by: mampang | June 4, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
59 delegates “gifted” to Barack under the guise of “unity” does not a nominee make. This will be challanged in court and they will be taken away. Claiming he is the nominee does not make it so. Supers don’t vote until August. So, until then……there is no nominee. Neither has reached the threshold.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | June 4, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
CAN’T ANYONE SEE THROUGH THE GLASS? OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO THE HIGHEST POSITION. HE HAS VERY THIN RESUME. GEEZ, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO AMERICA? WORSE THAN BUSH…WE NEED THE CLINTONS BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE…THEY KNOW HOW TO CLEAN UP THE MESS LEFT BY THE BUSH. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO UNDERSTAND THE AMERICAN ECONOMY. REMEMBER THE 90′S? US WAS WORLD’S #1 WITH THE STRONGEST ECONOMY FAR BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD FROM JFK YEARS EVEN IF HE LIVED LONGER….
Posted by: neil1785 | June 4, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
ACCORDING TO RECENT POLLS FROM FOXNEWS, OBAMA IS LOSING A REASONABLE MARGIN TO MCCAIN IN FLORIDA, MICHIGAN, PENNSYLVANIA AND OHIO. EXPECT ANOTHER DEMOCRATIC DEFEAT THIS FALL.
THERE’S A BIG CHANCE THAT HILLARY WILL DECIDE TO RUN INDEPENDENT THAT’S WHY SHE LEFT HER CONCESSION HANGING FOR A WHILE TO GET SOME ADVISE FROM HER SUPPORTERS WHO SUGGESTED HER TO RUN INDEPENDENT, YOU’LL SEE. SHE’S DEMOCRATIC BY HEART BUT COUNTRY FIRST BEFORE PARTY.
Posted by: neil1785 | June 4, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
As a coach, I learned that: “It’s bad luck to be behind when the game ends!”
Hillary is suffering a bit of “bad luck!”
Posted by: Charles McKinney | June 4, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
IF HILLARY CARES ABOUT THIS COUNTRY, SHE SHOULD RUN INDEPENDENT. WE CANNOT AFFORD A JOB TRAINEE IN THE PRESIDENT POSITION. HE IS TOO JUNIOR AND INEXPERIENCED TO HANDLE THE MOST COMPLICATED TASKS IN THE WORLD. THAT’S THE REAL ISSUE HERE NOT TO MENTION HIS BAD BACKGROUND, ASSOCIATIONS, LIES AND PRETENSIONS.
I THINK HILLARY IS RESERVING THAT RIGHT WHEN SHE DID NOT MAKE ANY CONCESSION SPEECH LAST NIGHT.
Posted by: neil1785 | June 4, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
neil and sadstate
you guys are so simplistically republican its sick.
First off, he clinched the nomintaion, its over, im sorry sadstate you cant continue to play the hillary card. Even if she takes it to the convention and they say, you know your people voted to strip these states but we will seat them in full.
He still wins the next magic number because hes gone over that threshold too. IT IS OVER GIVE IT UP.
Neil,
the voters have spoken, every state has spoken, obama has beat the clinton machine, and is now going for your true candidate of choice mccain. I know you are desperate to try to keep thsi thing going because you know mccain is weak and not a very good candidate.
Hillary should have made a concession speech last night or at least congratulated him. It was a very bad tactical move on her part.
In obamas speech he said exactly what he is going to have hillary do, and that is help reform health care.
Hillarys voters will rally behind obama because they as candidates are very similar and like she said shes been working on health care for sixteen years.
HIllary is going to get behind obama. This is over
Posted by: bhrandon | June 4, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
She lost. End of story. Its time for HRC to act like a grown up.
Posted by: DMR | June 4, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
I could barely afford the $300 I contributed to Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and now I know it was wasted. The “Obamanation” was a done deal, served up by the DNC.
It kind of makes the news rather dull for the next five months. The “contest” is over (if it ever WAS a contest).
Last night, I switched my allegiance… to Old Man McCain. I really don’t need any more campaign rhetoric.
Posted by: Rhys | June 4, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
The Emperor has no clothes. That was the case for Bush and unfortunately it’s the same for Obama. Even if the popular vote is explained away, Hillary drubbed Obama by the electoral college. Obama, like Bush, is a very talented politician but it takes a different combination of experience and knowledge to govern effectively and solve problems.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | June 4, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Obama won and enough of the “tie” crap.
Posted by: Dan | June 4, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
that’s the reason there is no “popular vote totals”
you CAN’t call the popular vote…caucus states didn’t ahve a popular vote…so you can’t call an election half…
that’s stupid.
Posted by: dl | June 4, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
hopesprings, America has just proven that charisma is all that’s needed for a nomination. Next, we will see if charisma is all that’s needed for an election, and then we will probably find out if an “empty suit” can be an effective President.
After George W. Bush, ANYONE could be President, so maybe Obama can pull it off.
Posted by: Rhys | June 4, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
dl, the problem is that our primary process HAS NO popular vote. And even some states which DO vote can be told that their votes don’t count or are worth only HALF of other states’.
The entire process leaves the chances for corruption wide open, and we have just seen how the party bosses can completely control the outcome.
Thank goodness our general election is governed by LAWS, not party “rules”!
Posted by: Rhys | June 4, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
The reality is, since the Rev Wright fiasco, Obama has lost all the swing states. He’s only won the ones he was WAY ahead in that had super liberal populations, OR/VT, or ones that have high AA populations NC. He was expected to win in SD, and he lost by 10 points. Since March, Clinton has won a lot more votes and won big swing states. That should be a red flag to the DNC.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | June 4, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Speaking of Hillary, it seems very odd to me that this woman, who has been harping on the gender ticket being used on her, has the gaul to say she needs time….OMG…will she start crying now??? PLease…give us a break…She has been through worse…get up off your pantsuit and get the party rolling toward victory HRC…You are supposed to be an example to our young women on how to handle themselves…you are acting like a spoiled child…show some strength and honor…ZEeeez
Posted by: telltruth | June 4, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Congratulations Hillary!
I am so proud she made no decision!
She left it wide open, for any possible outcome for her!
Obamanation is completely upset and rather furious this morning. Seething with hate. Their posts speak for themselves.
This isn’t over for Hillary. She is going to take this to Denver!
Hillary ’08
Posted by: Krissy K | June 4, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
If she’d run as an independent – she’d win .. “YES – she can”!
Posted by: MJ | June 4, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
neil1785 wrote
“ACCORDING TO RECENT POLLS FROM FOXNEWS”
Why this does not suprise me? Because according to Reuters/Zogby Polls Obama wins McCain 48% – 40%. Please try to find data from independent pools; and more than that polls are meaningless, thay are the tool for Media and interest groups to manipulate public opinion. So leave those dummy polls alone.
Posted by: George | June 4, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
As your reporting shows, Obama narrowly won the popular vote, just as he narrowly won the nomination. For Clinton and her supporters to claim a popular vote “win” is both false & damaging to our party’s nominee.
Posted by: Dem in Chicago | June 4, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
formerhillary, I recognize that it’s probably over. No, I don’t think Hillary would make a “great” President; I viewed her as the lesser of three evils.
McCain is my second choice, simply because I will NOT vote for Obama under ANY circumstances.
My wife and I supported Obama until February, but the more we learned about him the more we realized we were betting on the wrong horse.
Well, maybe he’s the WINNING horse, but he’s very wrong for America.
We’ve just been through eight years of living under a President who SEEMED right at first, but who turned out to be a disaster. I didn’t think we’d get fooled again, but I was wrong.
Posted by: Rhys | June 4, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
If educated voters actually did vote for Obama .. that just confirms the “well, he/she is book smart” quote. Most of the so-called ‘edumacated” people I know are ridiculously stupid or lacking in the common sense department.
Posted by: MJ | June 4, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
The Democratic convention is where the democrats have the super delegates cast a vote.
Then they Announce the Democratic Nominee.
Part of the process.
Due process.
Those, whinning, moaning, groaning and acting like children about it. Need to get control of themselves and act like grown ups.
No one should have to give up a right because someone wants them to, forced into giving up a right, or ridiculed for exercising their rights.
That is the American way.
Posted by: seah | June 4, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
You forgot to mention caucus’ are not figured in. If you add them in Obama easily wins. Yes our small caucus states should count!!!!
Posted by: Hippemom | June 4, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Independent and third-party candidates CANNOT win in our present political system, where party bosses control EVERYTHING.
If Hillary runs as an Independent, it will assure McCain’s election. If Bob Barr runs as a Libertarian, it will assure Obama’s election.
It could get interesting if Clinton AND Barr both ran on third-party tickets.
We have seen what Ralph Nader and Ross Perot have done to elections. They couldn’t win, but they were effective spoilers.
Posted by: Rhys | June 4, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
“So your point is if you don’t account for FL and MI, she
has the vote? Ok – that’s just unrealistic.
Lynne | Jun 4, 2008 9:49:59 AM
Ummmmm, no. I’m pretty sure he wrote that she only got “the popular vote” if she got her cut of Michigan and Obama got zero.
Add Florida in (and she’d NOT have gotten a 17 point margin there if there’d have been a real campaign waged there), but leave Michigan out (or, even, give Obama the “uncommitted” vote) and Obama wins, but not by much.
Posted by: Lee C. ― U.S.A. | June 4, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
This primary was about delegates. Senator Obama has the delegates. Too bad for the other candidates that they were playing checkers and he was playing
chess. To think all of that political experience against this inexperienced newcomer. I’d say that’s a good start.
Posted by: Trish | June 4, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Yes, Trish, the primary was about delegates. That’s the problem.
America is telling the rest of the world that they must convert to democracy, and we don’t even have one here!
Our primary process has become an oligarchy. (Yes, I looked up the word to see if it fits, and it PERFECTLY describes what has just happened.)
Posted by: Rhys | June 4, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
The popular vote is not a relevant number for the Primary. The case to count Florida is arguable, there can be no reasonable math to include Michigan, if you are going to count Florida you should also count the caucuses. Clinton loses this argument because she doesn’t want every vote to count, only every vote for her. If she persists, she is going to be confronted with that fact and her whole all or nothing power grabbing plan will fall apart. She has made this contest about her and forgotten that it is not about her, but about US. If you want to know the reason the founders put the electoral college in place, just read any post that would dictate that you as a democrat vote republican in the fall because your favorite didn’t get the nomination. To take the metaphor further, that is cutting your head off to spite your nose.
Posted by: Louis | June 4, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
It’s this simple. I’m not voting for Obama. No way. And I hope others will see through him and vote against him as well. Don’t put him in the WH where he can do real damage!
Posted by: Mike | June 4, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Until the DNC revamp its system, the primary is about delegates. Any rule changing should occur before the primary season begins not during it.
Posted by: Trish | June 4, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Trish, I completely agree that it’s too late to “save” this primary election. Obviously, it cannot be changed in mid-stream.
But it isn’t the DNC which needs to change the process; it’s the Federal Election Commission. This year’s so-called primary is proof that our voting should be governed by LAWS, not “rules” established in a Star Chamber.
Caucuses, conventions, delegates, and “super” delegates must be abolished and replaced by a REAL vote of the people. Every state should have a primary on the same date under the same rules.
Posted by: Rhys | June 4, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
What is this, enpty suit, no experience, another G W Bush. You people don’t even know him. Why is it so hard to take a chance on someone that wants to help you. Can’t you see what going on in our country. These big companies are tryng to take every expense they can out of their business. They are trying to turn us into China where people are forced to obey. Hillary was willing to let her friends gain while the rest of the country suffers. Half the country is voting to better their lives, and the other is to see a woman president. You don’t seem to remember who it was that put us in this possition. It sure wasn’t Obama.
Posted by: Mike M | June 4, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
As someone who voted for Hillary Clinton, and who is also EDUCATED,
I resent your comment that only educated voters supported Obama.
Posted by: SandyB | June 4, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
For Obama, what matters is not his election-year rhetoric, or an election-year resignation from his church, but his track record in the years before the election.
He gave $20,000 of his own money to Jeremiah Wright; as a state senator Obama directed $225,000 of the Illinois taxpayers’ money for programs run by Father Pfleger. In the U.S. Senate Obama earmarked $100,000 in your tax money for Father Pfleger’s work. Pfleger donated over $10,000 of his own money to Obama’s campaign. Jeremiah Wright also received $15 million of your tax dollars for his church. Check it out folks, it’s on the public record.
Obama’s foreign policy seems to be somewhere between Rodney King’s “Can’t we get along?” and Alfred E. Neuman’s “What, me worry?”
Posted by: RK | June 4, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
SandyB… Unfortunately, on every forum, there are those who stoop to insulting anyone who has a different opinion.
Some even resort to obscenities, thereby rendering their opinions worthless.
I also supported Hillary, and I have an IQ of 130 (average).
Part of being intelligent is weeding out genuine constructive criticism from insults and discarding the latter.
Don’t be offended; just consider the source.
Posted by: Rhys | June 4, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Obama won:
1) the popular vote
2) more states
3) more pledged delegates,
4) more superdelegates
That is why he is the nominee fopr president of America. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | June 4, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
“For those supporters who going through a rough time.. here are the five steps of grief after suffering any major lost.. so we will give you time to recover and let the healing begin..” Lawrence and all you Obama supporters, many of us are voting against Obama because we’re voting no to the media bias and DNC bias against Hillary since the start. We’re voting no to sexist, racist treatment of Hillary supporters! We’re voting no to scare tactics by Obama supporters! We’re voting no to threats and insults from Obama supporters! We’re voting no to bullying by Obama supporters! We’re voting no to Obama supporter silence when racist, bigoted remarks fly from other Obama supporters. We’re voting no to this cycle of abuse from Obama supporters!! We’ve had enough of abusive Obama supporters and we’re saying NO! We’re rising up, standing up and voting NO!! NO MEANS NO!!!
Posted by: former dem in chicago | June 4, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Where is Ralph Nader now that we need him?
Posted by: Kadir | June 4, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
I can’t bring myself to vote for Obama even though I am also “educated”. Dems we’ve done it to ourselves again, this election was ours to lose. And lose it we will after the Republicans get done attacking Obama on every front. In my opinion he’s weak or vulnerable to them on experience, religious affliations, misstatements about his personal history and so much more. All I can think about are Dukakis and Kerry. We are so toast.
Posted by: 3dogmom | June 4, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Shades of the 2000 race with the shoe on the other foot?
Posted by: S | June 4, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
I hope Hillary runs as an independent. As i will not vote for Obama under any circumstance.
Posted by: persio | June 4, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Rhys, sound like a good idea to me moving forward. Although I think one day would be too daunting. Maybe, rotating states during the course of a week or two.
Posted by: Trish | June 4, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Now, the campaign to convince Hillary’s supporters that the end of the world is upon us if the evil McCain is elected. Just wait — the mudslingers in the Obama camp are practicing now. Innuendos, character assignation, threats, fear — they’re all headed your way by his surrogates while the puppet maintains he represents a new kind of politics.
Posted by: S | June 4, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Yea Rhys, vote for the guy that is pro NAFTA, that’s real smart. Vote for the guy that uses our tax dollars to move our jobs overseas. The hate is written all over your face. Our country is 11 trillion in debt and you want to vote for the war machine. Do you know that the republician criminals spent all the money in the social security fund. People have paid into this their whole lives, and now it’s gone. I can see McCain now, putting social security into the stock market. Those criminals rob millions every day with their corrupt media driven market. I’m sure you two thought this over real good. Good luck.
Posted by: Mike M | June 4, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
“as a state senator Obama directed $225,000 of the Illinois taxpayers’ money for programs run by Father Pfleger. In the U.S. Senate Obama earmarked $100,000 in your tax money for Father Pfleger’s work.”
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What Father Pfleger said was horrible. However, the $225,000 went to help Illinois citizens. The funds were given to the community center and an employment resource center. What Father Pfleger does is help humanity.
Posted by: Trish | June 4, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
PEOPLE PEOPLE STOP THIS NONSENSE THAT DOESNT MATTER NOW HE WON THATS IT WHEATHER POPULAR VOTES SUPER DELEGATES PLEGED DELEGATES THATS NOT THE ISSUE THE ISSUE TODAY SHOULD BE IS TO UNITE WE ONLY HAVE FOUR MONTHS TO BEAT MCCAIN AND IF WE DONT UNITE AND PUT THE PAST BEHIND AND MOVE FOWARD HE SADLY WILL WIN MY FRIENDS NOW DO WE WANT TO STAY IN THE PAST OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE FOWARD AND BEAT MCCAIN CHOICE IS UP TO US NOW WE ARE PLAYING THE BALL LETS NOT DROP IT FOR THE LOVE OF YOURSELF YOUR CHILDREN AND THIS COUNTRY UNITE UNITE UNITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: angie | June 4, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
As someone who has a little money I don’t want to see either of these candidates elected. I know that in the long run we will still be in Iraq, the price of oil will continue to go up,the capital gains tax will increase, the stock market will stumble further, America will have no energy policy and a whole lot of new taxes will be enacted to benefit the lazy. We need someone who’ll take a hard-line on the economy, restore the dollar and put this country back to work. I don’t see these Democrats doing either.
Posted by: Mike | June 4, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Wake up Hillary supporters.
The campaign to convince you that the Obama hate-mongers were only kidding. That you really are a good follower of the puppet. That a vote for McCain is a vote for the end of the world.
Will you capitulate and hop on Obama’s bandwagon.
Posted by: S | June 4, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
angie | Jun 4, 2008 12:06:41 PM
DON’T GIVE US THAT CRAP OF UNITY. OBAMA WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO UNITE BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONE AND HIS CAMP WHO BROUGHT THE RACIAL DIVISION IN TEH FIRST PLACE. OBAMA IS A DANGEROUS MAN TO BE PUT IN THE MOST DELICATE POSITION OF THE WORLD. HE’S NOT ONLY DANGEROUS TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY BUT ALSO SINCE HE IS TOO INEXPERIENCED, HIS RESOLUTION AND JUDGEMENT WILL BE BASED ON TRIAL AND ERROR. WE NEED EITHER HILLARY OR MCCAIN AS PRESISDENT. MCCAIN HAS BEE PICTURED BY THE OBAMA CAMP AS A SCARY MONSTER WHEN IN FACT HE’S NOT. OBAMA IS THE SCARY MONSTER HIMSELF. ALSO, WHAT BEHAVIOR THAT WAS DISPLAYED BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS SO DESPICABLE.
Posted by: neil1785 | June 4, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
For some people, it is now more important to say that 17 million people voted for Hillary, if they could also insinuate that she won the popular vote, than to say that 20 million people voted for her but with the acknowledgement that even more than that number voted for Obama. They discount and include states to suit their purpose. Question is, which version of History are you going to acknowledge?
Posted by: TK | June 4, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Posted by: Mike M | Jun 4, 2008 12:04:51 PM
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Mike, I don’t think too many people realize that China owns us. We are the United States of China.
We keep recycling the same politicians over and over and over again.
Posted by: Trish | June 4, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
It’s funny how Hillary’s fans, or should I say McCain’s fans, post lie after lie after lie about Obama. McCain deals with people that do deals with terrorists and rebels all over the world, and your hung up on Rev. Wright. Our government is the biggest drug dealer in the world. You people don’t have a clue what’s going on. Osama bin ladden is Bushes buddy. Bush is a big Afgan heroin dealer. I just love the trade deals he sets up. Peru, Columbia. It’s in the best interest of our national security he says. Can I have a straw with that load of BS. Obama will not have a chance. Hillary and McCain have been working against him from the start. Did you really think they would turn this country over to someone that is honest. The reason the young people vote for Obama is because they know what is going on. They know the media is owned by the same people that run this country. Controlling the masses way of thinking. Some day you people are going to wake up and it will all be gone.
Posted by: Mike M | June 4, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
During these 2008 primaries, I have enjoyed The Numbers!!!
POPULAR VOTE WITHOUT DOUBLE COUNTING TEXAS
With FL vote and
MI zero to Obama
Obama 18,458,974 (- DOUBLE COUNTING TX)
Clinton 18,614,261 (- DOUBLE COUNTING TX)
HILLARY CLINTON +155,287 +108,000 (NO DOUBLE COUNTING TEXAS)
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QUOTE BY THE NUMBERS:
Mr. Jake Tapper quote “She lost strong and he got weaker” after Clinton upset win in Tom Daschle’ South Dakota.
With all the primaries through Wisconsin, Barack Obama got +400,000 votes (51% to Clinton 49%) with more than 22 Million voters.
Barack Obama received approximately +100 pledged delegates in all primaries/caucuses through Wisconsin primary.
After Wisconsin starting with TX, OH, VT and RI primaries, Hillary Clinton received +660,000 votes (53% to Obama 47%) with more than 13 Million voters.
Hillary Clinton received approximately +20 pledged delegates after winning 9 primaries to Barack Obama 4 primaries, 2 caucuses, and 1 caucus tie(Guam).
Two months to Denver seem like an eternity in politics.
Posted by: Angel | June 4, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
I think Obama is going to be a mistake for the dem party. I’ve talked to a lot of Hillary supporters.. They are going to cross party lines and vote McCain.. I think 30% of her supporters will cross party lines for McCain just a protest vote against Obama.
Posted by: Joe Goldsmith | June 4, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
Tie? Didn’t the super delegates have to help him limp over the finish line and Hillary trounced him in some of the last contests? Please this IS A BROKERED NOMINATION and he was the chosen one since day one!
Posted by: Debra | June 5, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
Joe…at least 30%…probably more.
Posted by: Debra | June 5, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
Why was Obama given 40% since Edwards was still in the race at that point? CNN’s exit polling has Obama at 35% in MI if they all would have been on the ballot.
Posted by: WL | June 5, 2008, 5:08 am 5:08 am
How can anyone in their right mind think that Obama is prepeared to be the President. He only has experience as a neighborho0d organizer on the south side of Chicago were extreme white egg-head (Univ. of Chicago) left wing and black racist politics prevail, and a very unimpressive record as a first term senator. He will make the Jimmy Carter presidency look wildly successful by comparison!!
Wake up before it is too late or your children and grandchildren wiil hate you for what you have done!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: jim | June 5, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Jim: How could anyone in their right mind have voted for George W Bush to be President? The only experience Bush brought to office was years of beer drinking and cocaine abuse. Obama has 10 times the experience and good sense to be President when compared to the present occupant.
Posted by: PhilBgood | June 5, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
jim…
if you think that the President is the one who is lonely makes all the decisions you are maybe out of your mind… If Obama picks good team, he can be a good president.. If you pick a brown-nose team you get mcbush for a president..
W. is a very nice example what happened when you select a redneck for white house…
Posted by: ghost | June 5, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Obama didn’t win the popular votes. Take a good look of real politics.com. Obama should never have the uncommitted votes in full (40%). At the most, 20%, the rest is for other candidates, not him. He went to the court to take his name off last minute so he can claimed more later. Caucas votes should be allocated on how each participant initially vote, not when each causus end up in a “winner take all” scenario. That is just not the principle by which Dem primary is done. All proportional according to how each and every votes were cast. If you look at that realistically, clinton won popular vote (with FL included, with Mi included -Obama gets half of hte uncommitted votes)by about 70,000.
Posted by: Cook | June 5, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
SandyB and Ryes…I’m with you. I have a college education, a good job and an Emmy to boot. I have gotten so tired of these Obama Elitists going on and on about how they are more educated, smarter and probably prettier, too. Yes, he will surround himself with a team of his choice. That really concerns me. Fasten your seat belts and put your tray in an upright position.
Posted by: KC+1971 | June 6, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
This I guess was not the year for a female President but we got close. I guess it’s business as usual in Washington D.C. I think I’ll just stay home in November.
Posted by: millie | June 8, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Of course it’s a tie. Top Dems decided for us and that really undermines the whole title of our Party doesn’t it? So why be Democrat? It’s a total lie as far as title goes.
Posted by: irma | June 9, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Thank you Jesus I don’t have to see Hillary on my TV no more.
Now, just get McOld off my tube and it will all be alright.
Posted by: Lanny Davis | June 16, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Many many Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama because of his unfair tactics by not allowing Michigan and Florida hold another primary.
Clinton said he would. He said he wouldn’t. He kept the delegates over 300 in his pocket to make sure she couldn’t win, then took some more of her Michigan delegates.
If this issue was resolved in the early months of the primary season, Obama would have been behind
Obama knew that and chose to keep postponing a resolution Then, he stands up for government instead of the
people from two important states
Obama is a discrace. This isn’t democracy. It’s stealing
Posted by: Al from NJ | June 21, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm