Washington Post Fact-Checker on Clinton Popular Vote Claim: “A Minor Masterpiece in Carefully Parsed Self-Delusion”

finally!
senator clinton ran a good campaign but senator obama ran a better one plan and simple…
all this conciliatory talk of what does sen. clinton get for winning the popular vote is silly…she gets to say i lost to a better canidate

The Washington Post writer is in favor of giving delegates to candidates that take their names off ballots … how Un-American is that? Clinton does have the popular vote … NObama can’t have credit for the “uncomitted” in Michigan when Edwards also withdrew his name and was still in the running at that point. The Left-Wing of the Democratic Party is going to force-feed us another Kerry liberal … but McCain will reap the benefit for this!!

SB
What country are you from? Obviously not the US. Hillary Clinton had a political machine behind her, a two term President Husband, 109 million of her own cash, 100% name recognition, political connections, corporate sponsors up the butt, 200 delegates before the race even started and still could not defeat a first term Senator.
What “odds and opposition” do you refer?
as a strong Obama supporter I have the utmost respect for Hillary. POLITICS IS A TOUGH GAME. MOST PEOPLE HERE COULDN’T HANDLE 1 DAY OF SCRUITINY

I give Hillary lots of credit, she’s tough, but unfortunately delusional. Please Democrats let’s all get together to stop McCain, who will only help the rich and corporations, drive us into a deep Depression, and creating another war–this time with Iran. We need to take America back for the people!

The Saturday decision by the DNC committee was nothing short of political rape. Obama was not a candidate in Michigan. He voluntarily removed his name. First time in history an non-candidate get the delegates. WOW, such corruption.
McCain will win in November over the socialist/marxist/communist Obama.

If you believe that it is true, it does not matter if it is a lie or not.

Jay Jay Obama supporters have difficulty with facts.
Go to any website on the electoral vote and it is clear. Obama doesnt win.
He doesnt bring any states into play. Dmes win with Kentucky and West Virginia, Florida, Ohio and one southern state.
Obama has none of these. He can’t win. New Mexico, which I seriously doubt McCain wont win isnt enough.
Also any polls of Viriginai showing a close race aren’t polling service people overseas who vote in Virginia. Virginia is not in play.
Obama does not have the votes or the voting coalition to win. He just doesn’t.
The general isnt a caucus. Blcaks dont make up the majority of voters in any state, women do.
The math is easy. its calle dthe lectoral college and Obama loses.
That’s before the Republican attack machine beginsits assault. It could be a total blow out in McCain’s favour.
Obama is a weak unelectable, inexperienced candidate that does so poorly in debates he haad to stop doing them.
His numbers will only go down in the general and they aren’t high now.
Then again Obama supporters don’t deal in facts or rational thought they deal in vitriole baseless acusations intimidation fraud and delusion.
Nothing has changed with the electoral map in the US. Nothing.

I knew from the beginning the Affirmative Action guy was going to get it ahead of Hillary, but the funny thing is, who has the power now, with 17 million voters behind her that Obama is desperate to win?
I don’t remember anyone saying that they’d defect to Bush if Kerry were the nominee and look how that turned out?
Could be millions of us THAT WON’T VOTE OBAMA, EVEN WITH HILLARY ON THE TICKET.
OUCH!

NOT SO FAST , THIS RACE IS FAR FROM OVER, NEITHER CANDIDATE WILL RECEIVE THE NOMINATION UNTIL THE DNC CONVENTION IN LATE AUGUST. YOU KNOW THAT. WAIT UNTIL THE NEW TAPES ARE SHOW TOMORROW WITH MICHELLE OBAMA AND FARAKHAAN AND YOU’LL BE EATING CROW FOR BREAKFAST ALONG WITH ALL MEDIA WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA. LOL.
Join womenforfairpolitics and sign the petition to encourage Hillary to take it to the convention where she can prevail. No one will be the nominee until late August at the convention where the delegates who are not really “pledged”, they can vote for whomever they wish will vote to nominate the next Pres. candidate for the Dems. Their job is to nominate the most electable candidate for the general election. That candidate is and shall remain Hillary Rodham Clinton. Call them all and demand they support the better candidate, Hillary Clinton. Obama is unelectable.
The failure of the Democratic party to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism and voter disenfranchisement practiced by Barack Obama, his campaign and nasty supporters and the entire MEDIA is at their own peril. We will be voting for McCain in November if the Dems foolishly nominate an unqualified and unelectable Obama.
The Democratic party must learn a lesson. We will NOT stand for sexism,classism, racism and voter disenfranchisement. We will not stand for 1/2 vote for Michigan in Florida, 1/2 a person? It calls to mind the old, unacceptable Jim Crow laws when blacks were considered 3/4 a person. THIS 1/2 person/vote rule is even WORSE!
The Democratic party understands two things, money and votes. We have the power to withhold BOTH. DO SO, NOW. Thank you.
BREAKING NEWS WATCH FOR NEW TAPES TOMORROW SHOWING MICHELLE OBAMA AND FARAKHAAN TOGETHER RAILING AGAINST WHITES…..STAY TUNED……THE OBAMA TRAIN IS ABOUT TO DERAIL AGAIN….

All this BS about one person one vote, popular vote tallies, caucuses vs. primaries…. it’s all pointless. If the Democratic party wants to use popular vote to decide the nomination, then they have to enforce the same rules for all of the contests. Otherwise you disenfranchise the states that used caucuses. The issue here is not to count all the votes, it’s deciding who should not count.

DEBRA…speaking of whores…you are disgracing Hillary by voting for McCain. She hates him worse than Obama.

As discussed extensively on all the cable news shows last night, the Obama/Clinton ticket is doubtful. The reason? BUBBA…you cannot tell just what he will do or say..he is a time bomb..

DNC and SD meet us at the polls
november 4th.
Family members,relatives,friends
we all vote republican strait
ticket to punish DNC and party leaders.
You can count on it……….

Obama won his delegates when we knew nothing about him, and people were essentially voting against the Hillary they thought they knew. Once people started learning about Obama, and especially about his closest associates, everyone other than the black community started turning against him. Conversely, once Hillary moved out of the shadow of Bill Clinton, and started to define herself, she gained more and more supporters. Going forward, the prospects are pretty dismal for Obama. The more we know about him the less we like him.
People in this country want to love America the way it is. To hate America is to hate yourself. Many of those in Obama’s closest circle hate America. Obama and his crowd think that we need to change America. What did Father Pfleger, one of Obama’s closest friends say, America is raping people of color over and over again? What did Michelle Obama call America, “mean”? Is this the image of America we want to believe in? I don’t think so. Real Americans will reject this image of America and will reject Obama.
If we cannot have Hillary, then we need to fully support McCain. Nobody questions whether McCain loves this country. Nobody questions his patriotism. This country must have a leader that loves and believes in America, not someone like Obama.

Debra…what happened to everyones right to vote??? You mean Hillary hasn’t campaigned to get the prisoners the right to vote for her and send her over? I think she’d get quite a few from her friends…..in lock up

As Bill Bradley said, “the bigger the lie, the better off the Clintons think they are.”

Sweet words….
“Clinton concedes tonite”

Well Nat…you can blame a good majority of the mess on Bush and his cronies. They sucked the people dry and are riding off into the sunset wealthy men.

Clinton…Naaa…”H” stand for Having our way…

dang…HRC will never concede…her ego is too big…she has never and will never admit she can or will loose….

Jay jay,
The one who has the big machine behind him is BO.
Hillary had established connections, and helped a lot of people including Pelosi.
But Bill Clinton made enemies because of his leading style. He was the kind of president who had a governing philosophy : he governs in the center. He imposed his style that caused admiration but also angered militants and other leaders in the Party.
As he was successful, the republicans did not want another Clinton (Hillary) because they figure that Bill would be around. So the same with the leaders of the Democratic Party who hate him and who want to put BO instead.
The success BO has in caucuses indicates the support of the partisans (votes were cast mostly by them and in much smaller proportions for much bigger delegates allocation) and that helped him to get momentum.
That became a rallying dynamic which drew more and more delegates out of the closet, some come afterwards.
Hillary who had the support of a number of superdelegates in the beginning started to lose those who switched side.
It became clear that the media helped because they gave her bad coverage.
By the time the negatives came out on him, she started to get more support from people. But this did not give her momentum because the DNC kept pressing her out.
The whole process shows that the chosen nominee is clearly BO.
The machine behind him is the Party, and don’t forget that Hillary’s health care plan is not wanted by the medical lobbies, so deals are worked out left and right to get her out, and with specialists reading to do the jobs on economy issues.
This is very roughly described. It’s far more complex.
In other words, there is a machine inside the Party that has succeeded their coup and the superdelegates who supposedly support Hillary are pressed to support BO.
But yet BO doesn’t have the support of many voters (women, blue-collar workers, working-class etc…)
If the negatives had come out earlier on him, he may not have succeeded like that.
So the argument between his supporters, and her supporters is about the popular votes. But of course , his supporters mention the delegates support, and her supporters mention the big swing states support of voters.
There we are.
The Washington post is a pro-BO paper, according to me. They never say good things about Hillary.
But you are BO supporter, that’s your right.

The People’s Choice is Clinton. We should not have a winner from The Delegate’s Choice. Obama en rigged.

No matter what happens today, just don’t vote for Obama in Nov. Vote for Ron Paul or Nader! If one thinks that all people vote in Demo’s primary will automatically vote for its likely nominee, then one must be dreaming! It’s about the principle, and Obama is not it.

Hey Nat:
I guess that leaves out the majority on these here blogs! LOL.

Well it seems Hillary is not conceding tonight..LOL..I just love this women! I hope she sticks it out thru the convention. I can’t wait to hear and see Mrs. Obama’s speech about “whitey” at the church with Farrekan sitting behind her…OUCH!!

Unfortunately, HRC knew exactly what she was doing continually repeating erroneous facts because most of her supporters, the elderly and the so called working blue collar with high school degrees are not current with the facts nor are they internet surfers for facts so she was trying to deceive them. How do I know, my mom and her friends were ignorant. Being a math major, I politely explained the real facts.

No, Hillary has not won ALL VOTES. Count every single Obama win, abroad and nationally and Obama will be on top. Clinton and her cronies only want to not disenfranchise the people when it is to her benefit — Florida and Michigan — but they want to exclude all Obama’s wins everywhere, including all the caucus states he won. As I’ve always said from the beginning, Senator Obama was always the clear winner. He led with the tone of the election, with the slogan, with the fundraising, with the donors, with the speeches, with the policies, with the crowds, with the young people, with the ideas for fundraising. Hillary and all the other candidates who were running followed Obama, right on up to the now John McCain, who has taken Obama’s ‘change’ mantra and is steadily trying to do something with it, but can’t. Mitt Romney even got all his rally cards and everything with the words “change” on them, touting his change, they all did. Even Bill Clinton did a fundraising for Hillary when he called for donors to donate to Hillary’s campaign then come sit down with him and eat popcorn and watch the debate. So I made special note of how Obama has led this train all the way, and he’s still leading. My only prayer now is THAT HE DOES NOT TAKE CLINTON on as his Vice President, OR ANYWHERE IN HIS CABINET! Absolutely not. NO NO NO. Go Obama. Obama ’08!!!

Nat you can put a negative spin on McCain and Cindy all you want. OBAMA IS WRAPPED UP IN BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY WITH WRIGHT/TRINITY/FARRAKHAN even PFLEGER. HATE WHITEY, JEWS, OUR COUNTRY….JUST ISN’T GOING TO FLY WITH MIDDLE AMERICA…THAT GROUP THAT ELECTS A PRESIDENT….NOT THE 14% BLACKS, OR COLLEGE KIDS, OR RADICAL/LIBERALS.

Is Real Clear Politics in on her delusion?
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Real ClearPolitics ALSO shows Obama winning the popular vote.
Unless you’re one of those who says no one in MI would have voted for Obama?
DETROIT? HELLO?

anyone looking for truth and accuracy should check out Primaries vs. Caucuses Report by P. Cronin. Here are some findings:
Some Findings:
35.6 million people have voted
The 37 primary states account for 97% of the vote.
The 13 caucus states account for 3% of the vote.
Bottom line: Clinton’s lead is from 34.5 million voters (97%) in Primaries. Obama’s lead is from 1.1 million voters (3%) in caucuses.
According to the report: Out of the 50 state elections so far, Clinton has won 20 primaries and Obama has won 17. In comparison, Obama has dominated the Caucus contests by winning 12 of 13, plus the Texas caucus. 42% of his wins are caucus states.
…After 50 election contests to date, Obama leads Clinton by 113 pledged delegates. 97.4% of the difference – 110 delegates – is directly attributable to lopsided victories in caucus contests.
…In the 37 primaries, Hillary Clinton is up 500,000 votes (counting Florida and Michigan and giving Barack Obama 75% of the votes of Michigan’s uncommitted delegates.) This give her a 67 delegate lead in the primaries. In the 13 caucus states, Obama is up 300,000 votes which has resulted in a 205 delegate lead.
Google for the complete report. Jake does not allow a link to the report.

Hillary supporters will never allow Obama to ruin our nation.
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Only those HRC supporters who live on these websites say that.
My mother is a 66 year old Hillary delegate in Spokane, WA.(It’s a caucus state that Hillary ignores in her “count” ironically.) She knows Republicans blow. And she’s not a part of your militant crusade of spite and sour grapes.
Some of you guys are worse than Patriot fans after the Superbowl.

I wonder what the press will do once they no longer have Hillary to trash all day, every day.

Actually Hilary does have the popular vote, even though they gave Obama delagates from MI you can not give him the votes so he got 45% of the delagate in MI but no votes!!
Interesting how the Dems do things, like I really do think you should throw all the dems out and in 2010 put new ones in!!

OBAMA GETS:
–House Members: Michigan Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick*, Massachusetts Rep. John Olver, South Carolina Rep. Clyburn.
–DNC supers: Missouri State Rep. Maria Chappelle-Nadal, Michigan NEA/MEA Boards of Directors member Joyce Lalonde*, Michigan DNC members Debbie Dingell* and Rick Wiener.*
Obama campaign count: 35.5 delegates to go for the nomination.
Today’s Tally: Obama 5, Clinton 0
Posted by: Clinton concedes tonite
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SUPERDELEGATE “endorsements” are not VOTES and CANNOT turn an UNPLEDGED DELEGATE INTO A PLEDGED DELEGATE. SUPERDELEGATES DO NOT MATTER UNTIL THE CONVENTION.
Got it???

geevil
Obama as long as an event like that which Hillary likes to dream hasn’t been injured or worse… Hillary becoming the nominee won’t happen… along primary like this assures that now she probably will never get to be the nominee…
she played a bad hand with this primary.
If something happens to Obama…the party will nominate Gore.
Hillary now has a ceiling around 30%(before this primary she was at about 50% but she has now destroyed even that low ceiling)…that is like GW Bush running … a person with a approval or likability rating that low can’t be elected.
sorry.

Nat Turner – I think you should look up McCains history again? You are way off!!
He flew for 7 years before he was shot down and taken as a POW and unlike your libs he was given a chance at freedom from the captives but he refused until everyone got out!!
He did not leave his wife until after another 4 years due to both.
Stop with the lies!!
I know all you have is an Anti-American Nominee!! Barrack Hussein Obama!!! the one who wants to bomb our allies and talk with our enemies!!!

The Democratic leaders have crowned Obama, and that is that. If she led Obama by 3 million votes it would not make any difference. The Democratic leadership hates the Clintons.
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You sound like a little kid. The DNC did not decide that Obama would be the nominee.
It was the majority of voters, the majority of states, the majority of super delegates, the majority of pledged delegates.
The delegate system has been around far longer than Hillary’s campaign. So her being in the race had nothing to do with it.
And while some DNC officials may not like the Clintons (don’t you wonder why?), she would have gotten the nomination had she won the primary.
But she simply didn’t win. That’s not a conspiracy, that’s how it is. One person wins, and the others have to lose.

SUPERDELEGATE “endorsements” are not VOTES and CANNOT turn an UNPLEDGED DELEGATE INTO A PLEDGED DELEGATE. SUPERDELEGATES DO NOT MATTER UNTIL THE CONVENTION.
Got it???
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We’re moving on to challenge McCain. Obama IS the nominee. Hillary lost. The delegates aren’t going to change their minds just because she says she’s better. She has no grounds to claim victory. Going to the convention will not change that.
Got it????
IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME, HOW ABOUT HILLARY:
“It wasn’t until June that my husband won the nomination”
-Hillary Clinton 05/08
It appears Bill won the nomination, according to Hillary’s own words, well before the convention. Or is she just misleading people again?

Popular vote as of June 3, 2008
These figures INCLUDE Florida, Michigan, and Puerto Rico, for both candidates, AND NO CAUCUS “estimate totals” for Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Maine , as they have not been released YET:
Clinton 17,692,976
Obama 17,627,421 (includes “UNCOMMITTED”, which is a mixed vote)
Total Diff. +65,555 (Clinton)
Pct. Diff. +0.2% (Clinton)
Above figures from RealClearPolitics.com
So, why SHOULD Hillary quit NOW? She speaks the truth, she does lead in the Popular Vote.
However, to be very fair, let’s take away BOTH Hillary’s Puerto Rico vote AND Obama’s Puerto Rico and “UNCOMMITTED” vote. Doing that, the new totals are:
Clinton 17,429,856
Obama 17,267,795
Diff. +162,061 (Clinton)
So there you have it, folks. The question is, “Who is leading in the Popular Vote”? Please make your choice.
And then sit back and enjoy an “El Presidente” cerveza fría, courtesy of HRC.

I realize I cannot prevent it, but if even one penny of my contribution to Hillary Clinton is used to elect Obama I will feel betrayed.
I don’t expect to change the minds of Obama’s supporters; what makes you Obama supporters think you can change the minds of those who support Hillary Clinton?
BHO and Hillary are VERY different people with different philosophies. You cannot expect all of us to blindly switch our allegiance from Clinton to Obama just because you and Howard Dean TELL us to.

i hate to tell you this, but hillary has no money, your contribution is going to her to pay off her debts
in fact, more hten likely obama will have to help her raise the money
so dont talk to us about hillary using money to elect obama, that isnt going to happen

to bhrandon: I don’t expect to change your mind, but 4 years of a John McCain presidency surely will.

When you post obscenities, the rest of whatever you have to say becomes meaningless.

To dl: I very seriously hope that the FBI is reading this article “Blog” and traces your post back to your ISP and that they come and drag you in, for what you posted about ‘little boys’. I thought you might have been one of the more reasonable posters, but obviously I was wrong.
I wouldn’t be surprised if, when running, you get hit with a Tazer, too. See you on AMW. You do know how John Walsh feels about people who say things like that, right?

Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates, becoming the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House.
Campaigning on an insistent call for change, Obama outlasted former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in a historic race that sparked record turnout in primary after primary, yet exposed deep racial divisions within the party.
The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments. It also included a minimum number of delegates Obama was guaranteed even if he lost the final two primaries in South Dakota and Montana later in the day.
Finally, we can move on and make small work of McCain!
OBAMA 08

bhrandon, I don’t think you’re stupid; but we are ALL entitled to our opinions, and I happen to think Obama is TOO far left. The main reason I have supported Hillary Clinton is because I see her as the nearest thing to a moderate currently available.
I’m not sure where McCain stands; he waffles on so many issues, he has only partial support from Republicans.
NO one wants moderation anymore. Everyone wants to “get even” with someone; this year it’s President Bush. Barack Obama is seen as the one who will REALLY get even with Bush AND the American “establishment”.
Today’s politics is only about action and reaction, generously seasoned with revenge.
Consider, if you will, the way some people on this and other forums insult anyone who disagrees with them!

This is what most Cynical Clinton Supporters don’t understand:
wish I could see the look on your faces when the “Superfighter Annie Oakley” Hillary concedes and stands behind Barack Obama 100% in a couple of weeks.
Not only will she stand with him, but she will give a long, typical Hillary type boring speech on why she’s supporting him, blah, blah blah. All for your personal enjoyment.
Now, won’t that make you look stupid holding your Hillary posters??? Huuuuuuh?

Ask yourselves this question cynical Clinton Sour Grape Groupies: WHAT HAPPENED? Allow me:
Problems at the outset-Assuming she was a lock for POTUS. Never underestimate an opponent. I bet she knows now!
Problems with personnel-Incompetent staff not understanding caucuses. How could you pay Mark Penn 8 mil not to know and understand caucuses?
Problems with execution-Corny speeches; no consistent brand. Changed her campaign theme 8 times!
Problems with the candidate-Blatant lies, resume pumping, boring and fake
Problems in Iowa-Not considering the WHITE VOTE. I’m sure she wished she had have campaigned in Iowa, huh?
Problems with money management- $30+ million in the hole after raising a quarter of a billion? Pathetic. I wouldn’t give her a food stamp to manage from here on out.
Problems with the press-Lying to the press. Did she honestly think they weren’t going to follow up on her fabricated stories? Is she that out of touch?
All of this and you cynics continue to speak out of the side of your heads in jibberish.
Blame Clinton for your woes. It’s clear that she failed you.

Yep. I voted in Republican primaries today, June 3rd, for the first time. The Democratic Party has lost me and my wife ( for ever)with their blatant fudging of this Presidential Primary. If it had been run under the same rules as existed in the days of McGovern, Kennedy, Dukakis, etc, she’d have been the nominee months ago. Or if she had been running in the Republican primary,right now, same result. What kind of twisted set of minds can give more net delegates to a candidate for winning a meaningless caucus in Idaho, Utah, etc,than by winning a big swing state by 100,000? This is an election camel designed by a bunch of special interest groups that I no longer wish to be associated with. I hope Hillary runs as a 3rd party candidate; I’d love to see the look on the faces of the DNC as their candidate came in in 3rd place.

Marty I assume you were a clinton supporter, you don’t want my MT vote to count we’re not important? I thought that was her rally cry. The BS is Purto Rico gets more delegates than MT and SD combined they can’t even vote in the general.

The self appointed political analysts sitting on their tripod thrones of prejudiced opinions continue to nit pick irrelevant issues in the hope that their brand names can alter the impact of the inevitability of the dynamics of change.
What they don’t seem to understand and will find difficult to comprehend is that the polls were wrong more often than they were right because they polled a section of the community and not a cross section of America.
So what else is new?
America wants change.Real change. Not a face lift. Not a gloss over.Not a panel beat job or a surgery operation. No way Hosea. America wants change. Why? Because people know their rights and they know they can vote whoever they want in and vote whoever they want out.The dynamics of change.
So the self appointed political analysts have to fold up their tents,and switch off their Backberries and be out of touch for a while and eat humble pie while they rewrite their scripts of acceptance that reality has won the day and the power of democracy has flexed it’s muscles in the arena of politics and knocked politricks out of the ring with all it’s messy wishy washy tricks of media spin and kitchen sink strategies.
“Yeah man. Right on. Move over old politicks . Step aside. Change is coming through…..”. Errol Smythe.

McCain is an honorable man and somebody willing to really change Washington lobbyists. If you can’t change washington lobbying, you can’t change anything in washington. Obama can keep talking about change but his reforms won’t help this country. McCain’s will.

Where do i get a nice template like yours?