Welcome Back, Carter
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and his allies have come across a meme they dig — Barack Obama = Jimmy Carter!
Last night, almost a month after Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, started saying that McCain is running for President George W. Bush’s third term, McCain came up with a snappy comeback.
"Senator Obama says that I’m running for Bush’s third term," McCain told NBC News’s Brian Williams last night. "It seems like Barack Obama is running for Jimmy Carter’s second."
Asked what he meant by that, McCain said, "spend, spend. Tax, spend."
ABC News’ Bret Hovell noticed that earlier Monday at a McCain fundraiser in Richmond, Va., former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger said, "I do have a suggestion. It occurs to me that the Democratic candidate does remind me a great deal of Jimmy Carter. And perhaps we should make that identification stick."
Politico’s Jonathan Martin writes that the comparison makes sense since Carter’s term "is recalled by conservatives (and others) as one marked by high gas prices, weak national security and a perception of favoring Arabs over Israelis. Not a bad combination given McCain’s message against Obama….That said, there are millions of voters who either weren’t born or who are too young to remember a thing about the Carter presidency besides something about a killer rabbit and Billy beer."
McCain blogger Michael Goldfarb insists it will work. "Jimmy Carter’s done a nice job of keeping himself in the spotlight, writing the instant classic Palestine Peace Not Apartheid, meeting with the leadership of Hamas, certifying the election of Hugo Chavez despite allegations of fraud by the opposition, etc. etc. etc. Plus we’re going to get a speech at the Democratic convention to jar everyone’s memory."
But Carter hasn’t been president for almost 30 years. I wonder if the comparison will mainly highlight McCain’s age. It’s not quite as if McCain had started chanting "Ma, ma, where’s my pa? Gone to the White House, ha ha ha!" to invoke Grover Cleveland, but it’s not the timeliest of references.
Though it does in a way in the larger historical context draw a comparison between President Bush and Richard Nixon…which in terms of disapproval ratings and GOP demoralization may be apt.
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The term Obama running for Jimmy Carter’s second term won’t stick as well as John McCain running for Bush 3rd term.
Not many people remember the Carter years.
On the other hand, Bush is more of a present figure. He’s in office now and quit frankly doing a horrible job.
But nope… that doesn’t stop McCain from adapting his policies. Talk of “experience”
Posted by: Vanessa | June 10, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am
Gas in Great Briton: $10.25/US Gallon.
Posted by: A | June 10, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
I think McCain need to remember most of Obama’s voter base weren’t alive when Carter was president.
Posted by: Hippemom | June 10, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
In North Carolina yesterday, Barack Obama woos “would be voters” about the rising costs hurting families and attacked his opponent on the housing crisis. Of course, Obama didn’t say his senior adviser, Jim Johnson the former Fannie Mae CEO and campaign “bundler” got special loans through Countrywide, MILLIONS in below-market loans. Obama attacks in his speech the housing industry for granting too many irresponsible loans the very loans that Johnson secured. Apparently Obama must thinks is okay for his friends, but not the public because it is reckless and careless. What hypocrisy and double standards this man running for the highest office in the country has—he says anything to get votes and why the public is blinded is a shame.
Posted by: Anne | June 10, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am
Let’s see, people today view Carter as a Nobel Peace Prize winner, Habitat for Humanity Champion, Internationally known Humanitarian.
People today view Bush as a lying, war-mongering, low-IQ moron who wrecked our economy and got us into an immoral and illegal quagmire of a war with Iraq.
This is a good move for John McCain.
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
He doesn’t care about getting Obama’s young base. Hillary’s older women voters remember Carter and they are the ones in play here.
Posted by: midwest girl | June 10, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
ANNE
phil gramm
lol theres my rebuttal to your pathetic attempt to try to use some faux news stories to somehow demonize obama
when you attempt to link someone to a fault and make no mistake there is nothing to your story you dont know nor any of us know the details of this loan, make sure the person your defending isnt the one carrying around the bigger monkey on his back.
I mean phil gramm is giving your lame duck candidate his economic advice LOL
HE STARTED THE SUBPRIME MORGAGE CRISIS!!!
LOL U SOOOO FAILED
Posted by: bhrandon | June 10, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am
Yes, but a lot of Hillary’s base was alive & fully aware of what was going on when Carter was president. If BO is trying to woo them & the independents it could be some trouble. The ones that weren’t alive can see how Carter is acting now & might not want any part of some one that is comparable to him.
Posted by: rockthebleachers | June 10, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
Did anyone notice how much McCain blinks during the interview? I think he is try to send a secret message, LOL!
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
“I think McCain need to remember most of Obama’s voter base weren’t alive when Carter was president.”
The Obama supporters of that age haven’t noticed they aren’t a very large fraction of the voting population. Those who remember ‘malaise’ and ‘cut back on your heating oil’ are.
But the context is that Carter inherited the incredible disaster of the Nixon administration morally and the economic disaster of Kennedy/Johnson. He was incapable of changing it although he was elected on a platform of being a Washington outsider who would change Beltway politics. He failed miserably. He was as Peter Ustinov said, America’s greatest ex-President.
I like Carter a lot but I can clearly see the comparison.
Posted by: len | June 10, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
And the media says “FEED ME!!”
Sorry Jake, but this one landed with all the power of “change you can xerox”. No way Carter is as toxic to Obama as Bush is to McCain.
Try again, John.
Posted by: PJ | June 10, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
This only highlights McCain’s age because MILLIONS of Americans weren’t born when Carter was in office and MILLIONS more who were born just don’t remember the Carter administration that was 30 years ago.
I am in my 40′s and I don’t remember it so I don’t think this is a good line of attack.
McCain=Bush is FAR MORE POTENT in people’s minds than Obama=Carter.
Posted by: maritza | June 10, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am
Anne,
You are barking up the wrong tree on that one. Phil Gramm, McCain’s Economic Adviser is the Author of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. This is the Bill that lead to the Mortgage Meltdown.
So you THAT GUY, making economic policies for America?
Make sure you are doing proper research before you post attacks.
Obama supports are educated. Arm yourself, sweetie.
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
Seriously -Obama has worked “hand in hand”, with people that have fought to divide this nation, yet he says he is the “uniter”. Obama has contributed both his own money and our money (tax-payer’s money) to these people that have sought to divide us (need I list them for you). Obama’s only achievements to date have been his rhetorical speeches, like the one in North Carolina yesterday where he attacked the housing industry for granting too many irresponsible loans. Please someone tell Obama that Jim Johnson the former Fannie Mae CEO and campaign “bundler” got special loans through Countrywide, MILLIONS in below-market loans. I know, Obama doesn’t know anything about THIS friend either. But Obama is “happy” living in his million dollar home that he got for below-market value! This young cocky and ignorant man might just be the first dictator in America. And, I take that seriously!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Anne | June 10, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
Really, Obama is more like Obush..
inexperienced with a blindly loyal following
Posted by: trettione | June 10, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
Smearing Carter will not help our children cope with the consequences of our greed. Carte knew what needed to be done–30 years ago. Remember this?
“What I have to say to you now about energy is simple and vitally important.
Point one: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 — never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. The generation-long growth in our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks right now and then reversed as we move through the 1980s, for I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade — a saving of over 4-1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day.
Point two: To ensure that we meet these targets, I will use my presidential authority to set import quotas. I’m announcing tonight that for 1979 and 1980, I will forbid the entry into this country of one drop of foreign oil more than these goals allow. These quotas will ensure a reduction in imports even below the ambitious levels we set at the recent Tokyo summit.
Point three: To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation’s history to develop America’s own alternative sources of fuel — from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun.
Posted by: energytaskforce | June 10, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am
MCCAIN IS GOING TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY DOWN THIS COUNTRY IS ALREADY SINKING HE HAS NO IDEA ABOUT THE ECONOMY NO IDEA HOW WORKING FAMILIES ARE STRUGGLING AND FRANKLY I DONT THINK HE CARES I LIVE IN PA AND THAT MAN WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE SURE HE DOES NOT WIN MY STATE!!!!!
Posted by: angie | June 10, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am
To Seriously,
So what you are saying is that Obama finds the loopholes and just takes advantage of them…he doesn’t write the legislation. Well my friend this “two-faced” man will soon be able to contribute to legislation—flawed character and all. The sweetie was uncalled for.
Posted by: Anne | June 10, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
energy,
The Repub laughed at Carter for his call for oil independence. Just as they are now critizing Obama.
Repubs will do anything to save their millions.
We could have saved this oil-dependence problem decades ago. Instead we the Repubs have dug a hole we may mever fet out of.
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
The fact is Carter made himself a joke. Obama was already a joke.
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It’s no joke.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | June 10, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
You people are missing the point. The Carter quip will work very well with demographics McCain needs to secure. Groups Obama struggled with in the primary. Older voters, more conservative seniors (many of whom voted for Hillary). There are lots of them, baby boomers are one of the largest demographics, and they religiously vote. Unlike the kids, who fizzle out every election (no offense, just a historical accuracy). The Jimmy Carter reference was not aimed at the whipper snappers.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | June 10, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
Interest rate for home loan was 15% during carter’s term. All young kids want to pay 15% for their home loan. When government spends like Obama inflation will shoot up to the roof and get ready for the Carter-II
Posted by: Tony | June 10, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Anne,
Sorry for the sweetie remark, honey.
McCain was to retry the Gas Tax Holiday, that way families can save some money for school supplies or go out to dinner. That is HIS solution. The man is SERIOUSLY out of touch with middle America.
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
It is clear that not only is Obama Jimmy Carter reanimated, but he is considerably more liberal. At least Carter was a southern Democrat who at least tried to use some force againt Iran during the hostage crisis. IF THE DISASTER at “Desert One” (a helicopter crashed into a transport plane, both burned and the special ops assault to get the hostages back was cancelled.) hadn’t occured, Carter could have gone down as a hero, not a goat.
BUT…. OBAMA IS STILL THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR. I’d rather have Carter back than Obama in the White House.
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
SNAPPY COME BACK AND QUICK TOO! (ONLY 90 DAYS OR SO!) AT THIS RATE, McCAIN WILL NEED A TWELVE YEAR TERM TO DO FOUR YEARS WORTH.
Posted by: DAVID NH | June 10, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
I am 38 and I remember Carter. His incompetence made me a life-long Republican even as a child.
Young voters may not remember, but older voters do. They are the ones more likely to vote anyway.
Posted by: Jay Ouzts | June 10, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
“Smearing Carter will not help our children cope with the consequences of our greed. Carte knew what needed to be done–30 years ago. Remember this?”
I remember it well. It was Draconian, scary as all get out and failed miserably. Is that what Obama has in mind?
You might want to study globalization 101. We need to reduce our consumption, yes, but Carter’s tactics would have broken our economic back.
How about paying down the debt as the Clinton’s did? That worked.
Posted by: len | June 10, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Say what you want about Carter, but he did not get 4,000 American soilders killed in an illegal invasion of a sovreign nation.
4,000 American mothers grieving to pay back Sadam for trying to snuff out Daddy.
Nice try, but not even close.
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Will someone give me a coherent and viable solution that Barack Obama plans for these higher energy cost? If his plan is windfall profit tax i really dont want to hear it because its useless and wont work
Posted by: TH | June 10, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Melissa, I remember one of the issues Carter ran on. CHANGE!
Posted by: Jay Ouzts | June 10, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Innocent Civilians killed under Bush 84,000
Innocent Civilian killed under Carter – 0
Whose fooling who?
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
Carter’s term is more reminiscent of Bush with the energy crisis. Either way, no one knows what Carter was all about anymore and will just see McCain as old and out of touch. Besides, it’s been a Republican as POTUS during the last 7 years of crisis.
Posted by: matt | June 10, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
i want to know why there is no WILL to move ahead withh the impeachement of gwb and dc?
this is what we should be getting ready for this fall.
this is the real message we should send to the rest of the world.
for what gwb and co. have done these are HCandM.
for what bush and co. have done, is taylor made for impeachment.
Posted by: andjustice for all | June 10, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
obama was about 18 when carter left the white house and mccain was 53 a lot voters don’t even remember jimmy carter–also carter has done more for democracy since he left office than mccain will ever do–mccain as usual has to bring down a great american for his own purpose–also when are we going to talk about his first wife who has suffered from a car injury her whole life–mccain left her for an younger woman–talk about family values.
Posted by: william | June 10, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
Number of wars started by Bush – 2
Number of war started by Carter – 0
Do the math.
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
I actually think that Bush is a far worse president than Carter was.
Bush took a trillion dollar surplus and made it into a trillion dollar deficit.
Bush LIED us into an Iraq war that should never have been waged causing >4000 American deaths and made us less safe.
Our economy is the worst it has been in decades.
Bush is way worse than Carter ever was. Bush caused DEATHS. Carter never did.
Posted by: Stacy | June 10, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
Iragis killed (tortured, mutilated, gassed, etc.) by Saddam…..500,000+.
American soldiers killed during our civil war…. 500,000+
American soldiers killed during WWII…400,000+
American soldiers killed in Vietnam …57,000+
The price of OUR FREEDOM and that of the Iraqi people is high, VERY HIGH. But is it too high?
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
kris in AL,
Bush lied. 4,000 Dead American men and women for a lie is way too high. Ask their parents.
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
I’d vote for Carter before I’d vote for McCain.
Posted by: Deep Release | June 10, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
kris in AL,
Bush lied. 4,000 dead sons and daugthers for a lie is too high. Just ask their parents.
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Kids
Let me remind some of Carter’s Action
He could not release the 500 Americans from Iran
He met Hamas where no presidents in US history have done that
He told Hamas that Israel has 120 B-Bombs , that knowledge he learned when he was a president, which should be kept secret.
Posted by: Tony | June 10, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am
Easy to say Bush lied. But did he? He may have hyped the war, but did he lie? What did he say that he knew not to be true?
In hindsight (as in all things) the decision is clear….we shouldn’t have invaded Iraq. But for all you Libs who spout the “he lied” and “war for oil,” you never mention Afghanistan. Why?
Post 9-11 was a strange time, very similar to post Pearl Harbor. Don’t forget how WE ALL FELT.
Maybe Iraq was a mistake, but was it an honest mistake?
By the way, don’t forget Iraq was in serious breach of the cease fire agreement which ended the 1991 Gulf War. Saddam’s military was firing missle and anti-aircraft guns at US/Allied aircraft patrolling the “no fly zone” (north and south) in Iraq. Every time they fired on our aircraft, they were committing an act of war.
So in the end, WE FINISHED WHAT SADDAM STARTED. He was an idiot, but now he is HANGED.
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Not sure where inflation is really hitting the hardest at because the largest mall in my city of Indianapolis was packed this past Saturday and every restaurant parking lot was packed that evening too. I know there are a lot of foreclosures around but are people opting out of paying their mortgages so they can shop & eat out? I’m kind of cluelss to the priorities of most people. They bought houses they couldn’t afford to live and bought big gas guzzling SUVs because it was cool and wanted to be like everyone else. As for us, we are sitting pretty in a house of 11 years that we could afford, our school loans paid, we also paid off our cars & added a nice sports car for fun and we have rented a house in Hawaii for a couple of weeks for more fun. Some times there is nothing you can do when your company closes or moves your job some where else but being a little bit more responsible is your own doing.
Posted by: rockthebleachers | June 10, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Kris in AL,
It’s never too high until the talk is about you.
Posted by: TK | June 10, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Obama is more like Carter than McCain is like Bush. Obama talks about reaching across, but McCain actually has. For the most part, Obama was always busy preparing to run for the next office – too busy to do the job he was elected for. He admitted it himself (too busy with the primary campaign to conduct a single hearing on NATO’s role in Afghanistan). Obama is a smooth talking, over-ambitious, opportunist, populist, ultra-liberal candidate. With HRC’s departure, McCain is the only remaining centrist candidate left in the field. Independents should support McCain rather than the left wing extremist with thin resume and questionable ties!
Posted by: Unashamed_Independent | June 10, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Some things are worth dying for. You do realize that every US soldier serving in Iraq is their voluntarily? We do not have the draft. Anyone who enlisted prior to the invasion has had the option to get out or stay in.
Everyone dies. Not everyone dies for something greater than themselves. I’m to old to enlist. I would do so now if they would raise that age limit to 47.
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
kris in AL said:
Maybe Iraq was a mistake, but was it an honest mistake?
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When American lives lives on the line, there is no ZERO room for “mistakes”
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
From Wikipedia: The media discovered and promoted Carter. As Lawrence Shoup noted in his 1980 book The Carter Presidency and Beyond:
“What Carter had that his opponents did not was the acceptance and support of elite sectors of the mass communications media. It was their favorable coverage of Carter and his campaign that gave him an edge, propelling him rocket-like to the top of the opinion polls. This helped Carter win key primary election victories, enabling him to rise from an obscure public figure to President-elect in the short space of 9 months.”
Familiar stuff.
Posted by: len | June 10, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Affiliating Obama and Carter won’t “woo” Clinton’s primary demographics b/c its not Carter who lend us into 2 wars, gas prices $130+ barrel,a possible recession, death of 4000+ soldiers, 30,000+ injured, and a horrible foreign policy that may lead Iran to obtaining nuclear weapons.
Clintons based was older women
McCain pro-Life. Change the Supreme Court and have Roe vs. Wade overturned. Obama+
Working class white American
McCain tax cut for the wealthy. Obama+
Hispanics are the toss ups. Will go to Obama due to the economy and the Iraqi War.
Catholic.
McCain’s Iraqi War policy. Obama+
I don’t think you guys give Hillary her credit. Her demographics voted for b/c they felt she understood them best. They didn’t vote for her just to NOT vote Obama.
Posted by: Vanessa | June 10, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Oh and by the way…. Is Obama going to get a pass for dumping his church and pastor after sitting there for 20 years? As my wife says, this action gives her the worst feeling about Obama in that he jumped ship FOR POLITICAL REASONS.
He joined the church FOR POLITICAL REASONS. He quit his church for the same.
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
I thought the Republicans realized America was tired with the last 8 years of name calling.
McCain proves he’s no different than the policies of the last 8 presidential years.
Posted by: Debbie | June 10, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Kris,
Get real. You sound a lot like cheney. When asked about the 4000+ that have died in iraq his reply was, “they volunteered”. If we had a decent president this war would have been avoided. And since you are 47 why not sign up for the peace corps to improve relations that this administration has screwed up.
Posted by: pt | June 10, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Kris nice try using your age as an excuse. Why didn’t you enlist when you were of age?
Posted by: oh no | June 10, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Carter – Nobel Peace Prize
Bush – Exxon Man of the Year
Posted by: Robert Justice | June 10, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
How old are you Vanessa 20? I remember the Carter years very clearly. I remember that brat Amy Carter carrying her doll house down the street to the White House. I remember that he disgraced the democratic party and we did not get the White House back for 12 years. Yes I remember Billy Beer, and peanut farmers, and how he “lusted for women in his heart”
Anyone in their 30′s or 40′s or older remembers Carter. By the way I thought that Obama was like Carter ages ago.
I voted for Hillary but now I am a McCain supporter.
Posted by: Janice | June 10, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
What you Libs don’t seem to understand…maybe because you have never been around the military or conservative people, is that most believe in the idea of expending humans lives for democratic principles.
Why did the USA declare war on Germany and Italy? They didn’t have any planes at Pearl Harbor? Why did Roosevelt (the Lib’s patron saint) feel the need to plunge the US into a World War?
Could it be that right now we are engaged in ANOTHER WORLD WAR?
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
GIVE ME BREAK,I GUESS THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER. CARTER has cleaner records than BUSH. So they are incomparable.
Posted by: I.A.T. Smith | June 10, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Kris please research history:
1941: Germany and Italy declare war on US
Germany and Italy have announced they are at war with the United States. America immediately responded by declaring war on the two Axis powers.
Three days ago, US President Franklin Roosevelt announced America was at war with Japan, the third Axis power, following the surprise attack on its naval base at Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: oh no | June 10, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
I was in ROTC. Got into politics. Served my constituents for peanuts. Got out and got married. Now serving my country by raising 3 little girls and supporting their Mom while she saves lives in the emergency department.
By the way, my wife finished high school; got a undergraduate degree; worked 2 years on her Masters program; slaved thorugh 4 years of hellish medical school; spent 3 years in residency training; now works nights saving the lives of the indigent as well as the insured.
She makes $250,000 per year AND OBAMA THINKS SHE/WE SHOULD PAY HIGHER TAXES SO SHE CAN PAY FOR THE MEDICAL CARE SHE OFFERS AT AN ALREADY DISCOUNTED RATE.
After all those years of hard work, schooling and training, she is now entitled to hand over a higher percentage of her income to those she already cares for?
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Kris – sounds good. Kind of like Bush if you keep repeating it you really start to believe it.
Posted by: rockthebleachers | June 10, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
John McCain said that he does not know anything about the economy and all he talks about about is Iraq..So Domestic policy does not count..Uneducated, unschooled people..those who the polls suggested made up a large percentage of Hillary’s voters are going to vote for McCain..why is anyone surprised?
Posted by: Earl | June 10, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Repeating phrases like….war for oil…Bush lied…global warming is mans fault….bigger government is better….welfare will lift up the poor…government can do it better….social security is not in trouble….Obama is qualified….Obama never heard a word Rev. Wright said for 20 years… etc etc.
Is that what you mean about if you say it enough it must be true?
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Al from NJ said:
He scares them to death.
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That is the difference between Obama supporters and HRC supporters.
We vote out of HOPE, not FEAR.
Hope that this country can reclaim the standing in the world we once enjoined.
Hope that everyone in this country can be counted as equal.
Hope that we can understand our enemies with diplomacy and not war.
Hope that our children can have good education and compete in the global economy.
Hope that we can take care of the most vunerable among us, the young, the old, the sick and the poor.
Clinton supporters voted for her out of FEAR and she made a point of instilling that fear.
I feel sorry for her supporters.
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
The first time Obama compared himself to JFK I said, “JFK? No. Carter? Yes.”
Posted by: HoosierSue | June 10, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Hey Al,
I’m a white woman from MI. ALL my friends, young, old, lower and middle class, Jewish and Catholic all support Obama.
Your estimates of the problems Obama has with voters is way overblown.
All my friends and family that supported Clinton now support Obama and are doing so without any hesitation.
You are way off base.
Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | June 10, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Vanessa: Obama is so dumb he needs help to find a VP whereas McCain can pick a VP himself. That’s what education did for Obama. Nothing. He is a know nothing do nothing and will do nothing if elected. What he says and does are two different things. He quit the church under pressure from the public. If elected guess who is coming to the white house? Wright, Ayers, Farrakhan, Father P. and his half brothers and sisters from Kenya that he never met yet in all these years. Evidently you do not have an understanding of politics and need to do some extensive studying. You say whatever comes into your head as usual. Obama wouldn’t know what to do from day one. But he will have plenty of help. Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson, Nancy, Dean, Reid, Biden and others. What a mess this country would be in. Our enemies must be dancing in the street already planning their next attack. They already know about Obama that’s why their so happy.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | June 10, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Stacy, I don’t know where you obtained your “facts” but they are totally wrong. President Clinton may have had two years of surpluses — 1999 was a $122.7 Billion surplus; and 2000 was about a $230 Billion surplus — but when President Clinton left office the national DEBT was about $5.7 Trillion.
Now then it important to note that the Republicans had control of Congress during President Clinton’s last 6 years in office. The Democrats controlled the Senate in President Bush’s first 2 years and both Houses of Congress in his last two years. In spite of the 2000-2001 recession, the 9/11/2001 attacks, and the war on terrror (including the Battle of Iraq), President Bush actually had about 6 months of surpluses in late 2006- early 2007. But the housing market slump, sub-prime mortgage fiasco and of course the rapid rise in energy costs have hurt the economy. BUT the Democrats in Congress have blocked nearly every effort by President Bush to turn things around. That’s because the Democrats care more about being re-elected than they do about our economy and the people.
Posted by: James Danley | June 10, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
McCain also has a VP team committee. Their main job is not to find you a VP it’s the vetting process.
Obama will win traditional “blue” states, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Mexico, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, Missouri possibly Indiana, Georgia and Mississippi (depending of AA turnout).
Posted by: Vanessa | June 10, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
It appears that the “younger crowd” here thinks they are the majority. Saying things like “not many remember the Carter years”. That’s pretty funny, and self absorbed. Someone forgot to tell them that the “Boomers” are the majoriity in America, not the twenty-somethings. The majority DO remember the Carter years…and they vote…like it or not.
Obama has reminded me of Carter from the beginning!
Posted by: Texas Lil | June 10, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
The Truth???
“Vietnam, S Korea, Central America, Chile, Panama were examples of places we “fought for freedom and democracy” and installed puppet governments. We lost every time and wasted thousands of lives in the process. Not to mention the billions of dollars.”
Let me see…I thought we stopped the invasion of South Korea by the Commie backed North? Isn’t South Korea today a democracy and a captalistic success?
Chile? Panama? Nicaragua? Are not all these countries relatively democratic, free market and successful? Even Vietnam (not to mention China and Russia) have adopted free market markets. Russia is no longer the Soviet Union.
I think you Libs are living in the past WHEN IN FACT THE CIA DID DO DIRTY WORK and that part of US history is not something we should be proud of. Same thing as Indian extermination, Anti-Chinese/Irish efforts, Chasing the Mormons all the way out to Utah, etc etc.
Overall, the USA errored and continues to error on the side of freedom and democracy.
Successes like Kuwait, WWII, WWI, our own Civil War are all examples of where this country spent billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives to “error” on the side of freedom, democracy and justice.
Go to some other country and hate us from afar!
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Who’s Jimmy Carter?
McCain = Bush
Posted by: Mary, MI | June 10, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
At 47 years old, I remember Carter quite clearly. I couldn’t find a part-time high school job if my life depended on it. And while I was looking, gas jumped from .40/cents a gallon to $1.00 a gallon. Not to mention I got to watch nightly about the Iranians held American hostages for 445 days. Jimmy was an embarassment and BO will be as well. Change does not equal improvement. But hey, I only get one vote.
Posted by: Irish Gal | June 10, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
seriously: And you are as dumb as they come and need lessons in politics. The only hope Obama has is getting elected. There are limits that a president can do for the people of this country. Wake up. People have to choose on their own what they want to do in life after school. President’s don’t choose your life for you. Get a grip. The word hope and change he used from RFK because he cannot do anything on his own. Why do you think he is going to need help. He couldn’t win any debates. And sometimes he has to think before he talks. Hope is a big word and people have to take care of themselves the president can’t do that for them.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | June 10, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
um, John. It was a lame, lame, comparison.
Bottom line, the Republicans have had 8 years and if you weren’t already rich when Bush took office, you are worse off now, than you were when he took office. He has been a poor, poor President, and you have stuck to him like glue. Take your lumps.
Posted by: Louis | June 10, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
The fuel shortages started before Carter’s term. The Pubs have been trying to skew that piece of history and blame that on the Dems for some time. Just look at the history of US autos and it painfully obvious that cars built in the 1972 model year(1971) differ greatly than 1973 model year. This is the time frame that the energy crunch began. The Pubs were in office, not the Dems.
Posted by: rgreen | June 10, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
SERIOUSLY!, you wrote: “…in an illegal invasion of a sovreign nation.” There was NOTHING illegal about the invasion. Saddam Hussein agreed to the 1991 cease fire contingent on several conditions — including proving that he no longer had WMDs. After 12 years of failing to comply with ANY of the conditions, the UN Security Council issued its final ultimatum. When the UN Security Council showed signs that it had no intention of following through on its ultimatum, President Bush went to Congress and Congress gave President Bush the LEGAL authority to use our Armed Forces in Iraq. President Bush then issued his own final ultimatum to Saddam Hussein. Unlike the UN Security Council, President Bush acted on his ultimatum when Saddam Hussein refused to comply.
Now then you say that President Bush lied…a number of Democrats, including President Clinton, said that Saddam Hussein had WMDs back in 1998 when Congress gave President Clinton the authorization for regime change in Iraq. And several Democrats actually called Saddam Hussein an “imminent threat.” So where is your condemnation of the “lies” told by the Democrats?
Posted by: James Danley | June 10, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Because he is a Harvard law graduate doesn’t mean he’s that smart. There are a lot of Harvard law graduates in this country.
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Bush graduated from YALE. Smart?
Posted by: Texas Lil | June 10, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Anne: You said the right words. Obama would say or do anything to get votes. What he says is not what he is going to do. Obama doesn’t care about this country, he doesn’t care about the blacks or whites, he is for himself and only himself. The people of this country are fooled by his RFK speech that he copied and studied. I read all about him. The reason he doesn’t want Hillary is because she would outshine him being a former first lady and knows politics inside out when he hasn’t started to learn yet. God help this country if he is elected because it will go into a disaster. I hope all the Hillary voters write her name in on the ballot or vote McCain. I know that you are aware of the fact that Nancy, Dean and Reid pressured the superdelegates to vote immediately because Hillary was going to take it to the convention. They hate her and didn’t want her as the nominee.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | June 10, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Texas Lil: Yes, much smarter than Obama will ever be. And Cheney is ten times smarter than Obama. I am not a republican but I can see what you don’t see in Obama. You probably would vote for him like the rest of the fools that voted for him in the primaries but it was the people in the battleground states, Puerto Rico, WVA, KY and SD that were smart enough to count him out. Obama needs the word hope to help him win the election. And I hope the Latino’s are smart enough not to vote for him either write her name in or vote for McCain. We don’t want a disaster in this country or a dictator.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | June 10, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
BO is a sponge. He knows nothing. He’s never owned or run a business. He’s never run any part of government. You have to judge him on the influences in his life because that is where he will draw his ideas (laughably). Like I said change does not equal improvement. Be very careful what you wish for.
Posted by: Irish Gal | June 10, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Content of Obama’s character?
He talks about bi-partisanship: Never done it.
He quits his church after 20 years due to political expediency. (And say he never heard in 20 years anything bad that Rev. Wright said.)
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Lets all agree Obama is smart. No one gets through Harvard yard without being smart.
The issue is what is he doing with his inteligence? Maybe he is using that to plan his acension to the Presidency? He know what he has to say. He knows how to say it.
Smart-Knowledgeable-Articulate
BUT… has he walked his talk?
Posted by: Kris in AL | June 10, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
At least Carter ran a peanut farm. “Street organizer”. Give me a break.
Posted by: Mack | June 10, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Marianne Pepitone: I did not say that people did not like him because of the color to his skin..Millions of whites have voted for Obama..I said that its because of the color of his skin why you Marianne Pepitone don’t like him. One of the main reasons why Obama is the nominee is because a large bloc of whites voted for him..he won Iowa for heaven’s sake..but people like you cannot stomach a so called black man as president of these United States..You would much rather a white man as President even if the country is going down the tubes and the economy is in tatters..How is the economy Marianne? What about the forclosures and jobs loss and high unemployment rate Marianne? What about the 4000+ lives loss in Iraq and the 25,000 plus incapacitated Marianne? What about the soldiers who come home with post traumatic stress syndrome and are not the same husbands and fathers that left to go to a war that should not have been Marianne? You would vote for McCain who talks about Iraq, Iraq, Iraq and no domestic policy. A man who himself said that he does not know much about the economy. Heaven help us! Wake up America!
Posted by: Earl | June 10, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Under Carter we became more dependant on Foriegn oil from 20% to 75%
Under the current Democrats in congress they want to repeat Carter’s plan and that will make us as projected 95% dependant on foriegn oil!!
The Dems hate Progress, they hate the common folk!!
Drill Here!! Drill NOW!!!
Posted by: spock | June 10, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Obama = Carter?
Oh no!
Obama is WORSE than Carter!
Obama < Cater.
Nobody spent such big amount of money in campaign than Obama did.
How INEFFECTIVE he is? He lost so many big states even if he spent so much money.
People don't trust ADs, we know.
We don't like the fact that the presidency can be PAID.
Posted by: golfgirlusa | June 10, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Some facts that need to be considered:
Carter inherited 15% interest rates and a failing economy. His Draconian measures probably saved the country from a serious depression.
Obama isn’t Carter and the world is a lot different today. The Republicans were looking for a tag to place on Obama, in order to make people not look seriously as John (George Bush) McCain. They know that most people are gullible and that negative jingles work better than telling the people the truth. Personally, anything than four more years of war, a failing economy and more loss of liberty sounds better than the status quo.
Posted by: algwriter | June 10, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
well as my daughter (age 24) said to me “why would this be a bad thing?” She has only seen Jimmy Carter on Larry King and finds him to be a pretty amazing man.
and oh yes – the other thing she learned about him from her history book is that he advocated alternative energy and told us we had a crisis ahead and that everyone laughed at him and his sweaters. Lets not remind us of that…
Posted by: Annie | June 10, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Rgreen:
The 91st Congress (1969-1971) — the Democrats were in the majority (House 245-189; Senate 57-43);
The 92nd Congress (1971-1973) — the Democrats were in the majority (House 254-180; Senate 54-44-2);
The 93rd Congress (1973-1975) — the Democrats were in the majority (House 239-191-1; Senate 56-42-2);
The 94th Congress (1975-1977) — the Democrats were in the majority (House
291-144; Senate 60-37-3);
The 95th Congress (1977-1979) — the Democrats were in the majority (House 292-143; Senate 61-38-1);
The 96th Congress (1979-1981) — the Democrats were in the majority (House 276-157; Senate 58-41-1)
President Nixon was in the White House during the 91st, 92nd and 93rd Congress. President Ford was in the White House during the 94th Congress. President Carter was in the White House during the 95th and 96th Congress.
With the huge majorities that the Democrats held during the years of the Carter Administration, why weren’t ALL of the energy problems solved for all eternity? Come to think of it, why weren’t all of the education problems solved for all eternity?
Posted by: James Danley | June 10, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
For the historian: Germany declared on the U.S. first. For the hypocrite about the 4000 plus heroes. Where were you when harry truman sent troops into Korea – 50,000 died in that war. Where were you when Lyndon Johnson started his war – 57,000 dead. One death is too much. I’ll wager that you were one of those Obama draft dodgers. By the way – did anyone see the latest news –It seems that Obama just has this need to be associated with crooks and con men. First it was Rezko and now it is Jim Johnson. Obama got him to find him a suitable V.P. While Johnson got million of dollars $7 in fact from Countrywide. He also took millions from other sources while heading Fanny Mae. You should know about the subprime mortgage mess. Obama is sure running a clean campaign. Sure!!! Look for more on this from the Republicans
Posted by: Russ | June 10, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
You said it Lou.
Posted by: Mack | June 10, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Vanessa
Those are not traditional “Blue” states. So the issue is which name will stick?
Actually they are both appropriate. Obviously this will not be won on the issues since Obama voters often don’t care what they are.
As a Hillary supporter who is now leaning McCain I hope that those who are not trolls here take a look at history…
I think Obama promises the world and can’t deliver much….where was the Democratic congress when we needed it?…that’s right they were voting pork barrel politics.
Obama’s pork barrel awards were to….the hospital where Michelle works which netted her a more than double pay increase….to the anti White priest Pfleger which allowed him to spread the ministry of hate….to Jones in the IL Senate which was quid pro quo for handing him legislation that Obama passed off as his own.
In 2005 Obama was in bed with the slumlord Rezko….
Tell the story!
Posted by: Jackie | June 10, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
It has been said here that Obama is smart because he is a Harvard graduate. Has anyone considered that perhaps he got through Harvard the same way Teddy Kennedy did – HE CHEATED. Teddy paid other people to take his tests. because he is a Kennedy he got away with it. Same as with Mary Jo.
Posted by: Russ | June 10, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
The policies that Obama is advocating aren’t new or fresh, they are the same re-hashed garbage that didn’t work in the 70′s and won’t work now. I guess you need to look no further than his biggest cheerleaders: Kennedy, Kerry, Carter, etc.. He needs to get his head out of the clouds and get real. The country can’t run on hope and change.
Posted by: Mack | June 10, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
I’m sure people as old as McCain would remember Carter quite well. The similarities are interesting though. Carter inherited an economic downturn from a lame duck Republican presidency, he actually tried to use diplomacy to solve problems and he warned of the pending energy crisis but nobody listened. The president, no matter who it is, can’t solve problems himself. He can only lead and hope that the masses will follow.
Posted by: Topher | June 10, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Obama compared himself to Reagon.
How come he becomes Carter now?
Anyway who is Carter?
Another Emperor wearing New Clothes?
Why DNC does not even bother to mention him as America president?
Posted by: jy2008 | June 10, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
a perfect comparison! with obama, America will definitely going back 30 years from now. Carter was a nice guy with a very weak mind. I’ve always want to meet him and ask “why did you give up Panama Canal?”. Remember what an embarrassment it was during the Iran hostage situation?? It took Reagan to show them the “Real” America that they cannot mess with. Obama will be no different than Carter.
Posted by: hannah | June 10, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Obama hasn’t been in the Senate that long and he earmarked over $91 millions (can be confirmed on his website); for example, his wife’s hospital where she got a huge payraise; over $225,000 to Pflger’s church….
Of all his years in the Senate, McCain earmarked ZERO, NOTHIGN, NADA!!! There have been so much pork barrel projects and MCcain has always proved that he’s fighting against these corrupt policitian (for example: 1Tanker). It’s a joke to say that McCain is surrounded by lobbyists. Well, if he does, then he must be really good because he didn’t give them a dime on earmark.
Posted by: hannah | June 10, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Before Carter, the good, Christian summaritan who does good work for the most vulnerable in society, I remember hideous lines at gas stations. I remember the situation being so dire that people were getting into arguments, fist fights and murder for gas. Richard M. Nixon was the President during that time.
Posted by: irma | June 10, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Irma, that was on Carter’s watch; I remember it well. And by the way…. Ford was the president before Carter. Guess you’re too young to remember that and slept through American History class.
Posted by: HoosierSue | June 10, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Vanessa:
Virginia and North Carolina are
Not Traditional Blue States!
Obama will Not win Virginia, North
Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi or
Georgia! Check your facts before you
post!
Posted by: reaganfan | June 10, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
Mccain is a fractious man on the wrong side of history and human events. He and his party will be relegated to oblivion in November. It is presumptuous to elevate Mccain as the competitor to Obama and dangle the losing proposition as an alternative for America. In the coming election majority of Americans are going to vote based on their deteriorating economic and political conditions, the sinister legacy of the Republicans to America.
Posted by: Elizabeth | June 11, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
Hoosiersue,
Um, no that was before Carter’s term. He started his term in 77. Just look to one historical icon – the Ford Pinto. Why on earth would that lemon have been produced if gas was not scarce? The Pinto was released in 1971. In fact, articles state that it was rushed into production. That urgency underscores the gas situation of that time.
Posted by: wpurvey | June 11, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am