Bill Clinton Invokes the “Bad Dreams” of a Former P.O.W.

So, now every time the word POW is mentioned its about McCain? Was McCain the only one?
Bill Clinton was clearly honoring Nelson Mandela. He was complimenting Mandela on his fortitude. He was acknowledging the struggle Mandela lives with, and how amazingly Mandela is dealing with this. This entire discussion was about Mandela.
To imply there was anything subtle directed at McCain is absurd.

This is another tempest in the media teapot. Maybe the media should take the inkblot test.

Same ol, same ol. Obama using surrogates to attack McCain so he can look innocent. 3 in one week attack his military service, yet Obama claims innocence. So either he’s lying or cannot control his own people which means he couldn’t control the government.
Of course he’s talking about McCain. Mandela wasn’t a POW, he was a political prisoner. Not to mention Mandela’s experience and McCain’s were completely different.

My thoughts are Goldberg is reading too much into Obama situation, not too sure about the P.O.W comment.
The media is hyping a story that has much to do with nothing. Why should Bill Clinton mention Obama? Should he mention Obama?
The McCain aspect is much more reasonable. I doubt Bill was referring to McCain but it’s possible.

Zaggs,
I never knew Bill Clinton was an Obama surrogate

Vanessa,
Anything that Bill Clinton says about Obama should be looked at as serving the Clintons. He, you, and I know that the background chatter for the current campaign is that Obama will flip-flop himself into defeat, McCain will score the comeback, and Hillary finally gets her shot in 4 years after 44 straight male Presidents. But then again, any zombie will be the first to totally decry and deny that this scenario could ever unfold. The alternative scenario is that Obama will implode by the convention, a scenario that he is also well on his way to realizing.
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Don’t bother to vet Obama, he’s immune.
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just watched and listened to the clip.
yes, goldberg is trying to make to much of it.
it made a lot of sense, we all know this to be true, and i don’t think he was making reference to john mccain at all. I would say mandela WAS a pow.
and the comments are what they are.
no hidden message in there at all.
there is a whole little cottage industry up and running in the media that lives, survives and it’s whole function is to analyse every little word of bill clinton’ to make something wrong of it.
this little industry is so strong, until the people who are a part of it seem to have lost all sense of rational thought, and just react.
nothing harmful about the statements.

Maybe Clinton was referring to the fact that Obama was a prisoner to the misguided direction of Reverend Wright over 20 years sort of like a prisoner of war. Are we at risk for Obama and his Reverend Wright flashbacks?
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Obama and Wright — it was only 20 years.
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I don’t know Jake, are some people seeing one clip of this conversation, and some of us seeing another?
I don’t need to try to guess who or what Pre. Clinton was talking about,
in the clip I saw, it is CLEAR he was talking about Nelson Mandela.
Goldberg was reading to much into it, and should write a clarification or something, or say he was probally reading to much into it. and some of the people commenting here should also.
we don’t have to speculate, or say a name to fit our argument,
it is clear bill clinton was talking about mandela.

before i go, i must comment, and hope i will read an answer when i come back later.
But why would some of obama supporters blame sen. clinton if he loses?
She lost to him, thanks to his supporters.
so how could she be the blame for his loss?

Sen. Clinton is out of this thing now,
thanks to obama’ supporters,
they were all happy to see her go, and never waste an opportunity to say they hope to never see her again.
so why would they try and pull her back in?
someone please answer this,
How can the loser clinton be blamed for obama loss.
it seems to me, if obama loses it will be obama’ fault, just as sen. clinton losing was her fault.

Because Clinton went beyond the necessary means to defeat Obama. Watch the abc debate. Obama supporters will never forget that debate.
She pushed and pushed. It was so unbearable I tuned off.
If Obama loses, her divisive manner during the primary will not be forgotten.

THEY PAY BILL $1 MILLION fee TO SPEAK. HOW MUCH WILL OBAMA PAY?
BILL IS A BIG WIG AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MANDELA HERE… BILL, THE REAL MAN –DONE THAT ALREADY. I LOVED THE 1990s
TJ, BILL’S #1 FAN

tj,
many are with you there, the 1990 were great.
the reps. will say it was the congress, but we all know the face of a good (bill clinton in the 90-or bad-geo. bush now-economy is the president.
so no matter who you give the good years of the 90′s credit
(obama said the clinton years were not all that good)for good economy-they were good years.

It has nothing to do with the issues. If it were, the democratic party would be united. You can go on and believe she could win the 2012 election. Obama supporters would have legit reasoning for not voting Clinton…personal and issue based reasonings.
And not to mention if she gets passed the primary. She can “win” the popular vote but lose the delegate count again.
And I’ll like to add. No one foresaw Obama coming either. That’s why she casted herself as the “inevitable” candidate.
Obama supporters are VERY passionate about Obama that’s why we’re labeled as a movement. And if you can honestly believe after Clintons behavior during the primaries and an Obama lost… Obama supporters would support Clinton? You are deeply mistaken.
You as a Hillary supporter would not blame her for his defeat but Obama supporters would. To an extent I would too.

once again i ask the simple question,
exactly how would sen. clinton be the cause of obama’ loss in the ge?

Has Obama dropped out yet?

will anyone tell me,
If obama loses in the ge, how will it be sen. clinton’ fault?

57 states and counting,
if you will read down a few comments below, vanessa said “many obama supporters and to a certain extent, she will too, blame sen. clinton if obama loses.
so i wish she would explain how she see that as being so. or any obama supporter that feels if obama loses the ge, how obama supportes can blame sen. clinton.

“Her divisive language during the primaries have cause her supporters to hate Obama on a personal level. ”
Are you kidding me? Clinton supporters have their own minds, thank you.
You don’t think the Obama campaign handing out KO’s rant about HRC and assassination was divisive? That was the lowest point of the entire campaign.

with all due respect vanessa, really,
that reasoning sounds so, so, young.
If obama could not sway clinton supporters it is not because of anything negative she said about him. nor do i believe it is because of the negative, divisive things he said about her.
I am african american, and a staunch clinton supporter, and i promise you i don’t not hate obama-but i strongly believe from listening to him (even now that sen. clinton is off the scene) he is not ready to be president.
i want very much to be a part of the “movement” but i want to be a part of the movement backing the person who leaves no doubt he/she is the one.
it is going to look good in skip gates book african american history book obama being the first black president.
but i am not so sure (and i base this just from listening closely to obama) it is going to be so good for black or any other people in “anywhere” usa.

jgaw,
You’re an exception. Not many Clinton supporter think as you do. I don’t think Clinton is fit to be president. She claims Obama has never been tested? When has she been tested?
She failed in 2002.
Visit websites for Obama supporters or on social networking groups their feelings run deep. Many of us don’t believe Clinton is fit to be president.

Do you want a democrat in the white house? Obama is the nominee, let’s focus on that. To aggrandize Hillary Clinton or anybody else who is not the nominee, is to sabotage the democrats current advantage. It is not a feeling, it’s a fact. Get it together.

i am not trying to aggrandize sen.clinton, I am satisfied to not talk about her at all, i did start out talking about the article listed above.
and made comments.
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and i have read obama’ website, HE sends people to it often,
I want to hear from obama, I do not want to be sent to his website to see where he stands.
He should be able to articulate that now.

No, he was not talking about McCain. McCain has made trips to Vietnam to foment relations with the US, Cindy McCain has done, and continues to do, much humanitarian work there. In fact, don’t Vietnamese prison guards and soldiers support his candidacy for president:
-Dai and other Vietnamese veterans said they held no rancour and even backed his presidential bid, citing his post-war efforts to restore diplomatic ties.-

Obama will win this thing in a walk. In Texas where I grew up, there were “Yellow Dog Democrats,” who would vote for a yellow dog over a Republican. The mood of the country is like that now. The Demo primary season WAS the general election. That’s why both Obama and Clinton fought s hard to get the nomination.
Sterling Greenwood
Aspen Free Press

Don’t angle for a floor fight. It never bodes well for anybody, well, nobody except the other side. Your nominee is Obama, make a note.

Hillary and Bill Clinton are prisoner in Obama’s money cave. Obama has changed what he used to defeat Hillary. The couple keep silent. They are caged birds in the illusion of VPresidency. To me, they are no more crusaders but just plain politicians and to some extent, void of conscience. They keep silent to accept the manipulation of Howard Dean’s group in their detriment. They pretend not to know Hillary’s supporters still spearhead a campaign against the Dem Party. This attempt may be Quixotic or Sisyphean but that is the most speaking token of their conscience, the veneration of justice, truth, fairness. That’s for the sake of the future, not necessarily only for Clinton. If they cross the line for McCain, please don’t blame Hillary, not at all. They switch the camp, not because of their love for Hillary but because they don’t want to be prisoners of a backward political party.

Goldberg needs to find a real story to report. A sure sign of a slow news day.
In these times of serious issues it is hard to believe that Goldberg has resorted to makeing up news.

Jack, vote for McCain if you like, but get over it and move on.

why do people have to “get over it”
of course, a person will vote for whoever they want to vote for.
but in doing that, they don’t have to
“get over” anything,

I wonder if Senator McCain’s many trips to Vietnam and his work to improve relations with Vietnam is a product of his 71 years of age and 5 years of brutal treatment as a POW or a living example of the Mandela’s philosophy of getting over the hate.

I don’t think any rational, fair-minded person thinks Bill Clinton is a Hater or Full of Anger.
Some of you put to much stock in the msm, It has now become a sport for some in the msm to try and put the clinton’ in a bad light.
yesterday on cnn, there was a story that bill had said some particular thing or another, and the cnn people kept saying it was just a rumor, but the cnn people kept saying it anyway, and it disgust me how they keep laugh under their breath, and say it, just as if it is some inside joke, as if we the public cannot see the way they report on the clintons.
You know the clinton’-bill and his foundation do a lot to help people in need. Do you EVER hear the msm report it? NO, but what you do get from them is-things such as how is the foundation funded-NEVER anything about the good the foundation does.
remember when the msm were just all over,and acting like a pack of wolves, about the “when is she going to release her taxes?” she told them when she was going to release her taxes. and then it was-”what is she hiding?”- Taxes were releases, and the people on msnbc, and cnn were you can be sure there are people in back rooms sitting up all night going over these taxes with a fine tooth comb. Well, they sat up all night-and found—drumroll,please—–
NOTHING! chris matthews, and a reporter on fox both almost said the same thing,
“It seems, after going over these taxes, the clinton’ are almost suckers”
because they gave so much to charity, and paid so much in taxes.
so annie, don’t believe it when the msm tell you bill clinton is Mad and angry,
I am sure he was disappointed, and maybe mad, but don’t buy the stuff the msm tells you, it is their calling to blow-things all out of preportion when it comes to the clintons.

Being tortured for over 3 years is likely to dangerously warp your judgement.
If an enemy had tortured me for over 3 years it would most likely make me want to bomb, bomb, bomb any country giving us trouble instead of trying diplomacy first.

Vanessa, it’s time for Obama and his followers to grow up. He’ll win or lose this thing on his own. Stop blaming Hillary for his failure to deliver.

A draft Dodger talking about POW, funny thing was Mandela even a POW or a Political Prisoner?? Does not Clinton know the difference?

only Senator Clinton was capable of being the best President that our children, our troops and our Nation desperately needs right now…..its on your conscience if you choose to support a lesser candidate (mccain/obama) to somehow make our future better

There’s context that clearly demonstrates exactly who and and what Clinton was talking about and shame on Goldberg and shame on you for trying to stir the pot of anti-Clinton hatred some more with such silliness. Use some common sense for once.

I see.
The media has finally concluded that without the Clintons, the post primary political times are boring because we have two boring candidates running for the office.
In the end, the American people will end up with the short end of the stick once again because neither of these candidates will be able to deliver on anything. Mark my words.
Except, Obama is clearly the better alternative of the two candidates.