Conservative Christian Group Invokes Slavery In Opposing Obama

“there is only one morally legitimate position on that issue…no faithful Catholic would vote for a candidate who”
and here is an example of why I’m not a catholic anymore. They tell you what to think. They tell you there is only ONE way to vote.

I stopped believing in Catholicism in second grade when they told me unbaptized babies couldn’t go to Heaven.

there is only one way to vote. God’s way. If the cadidate proposes things that go against God’s will, then he’s not the man for the job.

To X Marks the Spot:
It was the Christian Defense Coalition (which, if anything, is anti-Catholic) that said there was only one morally legitimate position, not the Catholic Church. Read the article before you comment.

Ben, is that your God, my God, the Muslims’ God, the Jews God… And does God whisper in your ear who you should vote for? How do you know who he prefers? Do you honestly believe Jesus would be a Republican if he were here today?

Dear God: Please save us all from your followers.

Yes, the Catholic religion has lost a lot of support over the years due to its protection of pedophiles and I don’t believe the damage from that can ever be overcome – or forgiven. It was just too depraved and reprehensible. Now, they actualy think they can pull Obama voters away from him with this? Don’t think so.

I read the article. I also went to catholic church for 20 years, along with Sunday school. My brothers were alter boys and my sister did missionary work in south america. I feel informed enough to say the catholic church is pretty dictorial in its views.

And Republicans wonder why they do not have more black supporters…

Shameless… Guess what republicans, we’ve had enough!

Another reason I left the Catholic faith.

this is why i am no longer catholic

This is not a good comparison. This is a womans body, not owning another human being. One is bringing a baby into the world, the enslaved person is already here. That is a lame comparison.

Oh FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR…
What a ‘CROC’
Now not only are we to FEAR Terrorists, but the WRATH of a catholic God. Excuse ME?
FEAR you WILL LOSE!

“It can only be an appeal to racists and mysogynist everywhere?” Gwen, all the racists and misogynists are Obama supporters. Obama supporters can’t claim the mantle to fight equality for all while remaining silent when bigotry flies from other Obama supporters. This election is about punishing the DNC, bigoted Obama supporters and their fellow Obama supporters who remained silent when bigotry was spewed against Hillary and her supporters. Two wrongs do not make a right, Obama supporters. If we don’t speak up and stand up against Obama bullies when they trample others’ rights, then who will be left to defend us when they come to trample on our rights as well. We will never give up this fight against the unchecked bigotry from the Obama supporters. We all have to make our stand somewhere to stem this bigotry. And this stand for us is now. We will vote NO to the DNC and Obama supporters.

Churches and religious organizations should stay out of politics or BE TAXED!

former dem, This election has shown us that we still have far to travel on the road to being gender-blind and race-blind. But you do make it difficult for us to work together when you lash out with your own brand of hatred. Both candidates have been the butt of outrageous comments and actions. I was as outraged by the Hillary Nutcracker as I was by the Obama Monkey Doll. But your words are like pouring fire on fire to put it out. Peace begins at home, between you and me. Don’t preach it if you don’t practice it.

1 Term Or 2? McCain Adviser Says 8 Years To Balance Budget
The McCain camp is making economic promises left and right, so maybe it’s no surprise that a senior economic adviser would forget that McCain said he’ll balance the budget in half the time.

Many voted for Bush because he’s pro-life and a born-again Christian. Look where that got us.
I’m Catholic and voting for Obama. Mainly because I want us out of Iraq, want diplomacy with Iran and want universal health care. Plus I believe that Obama’s tax plans will help the poor and middle class whereas McCain will continue Bush’s tax cuts that benefit the rich.

Republicans, have you no shame? Have you no decency left?

Abortion is an outrage as far as I am concerned. I do not understand the use of it as a method of birth control. But I can not accept the notion of a single issue, nor can I accept the notion of Government to tell a women that she must have that child, or tell her she must not have a child.
Pray to God and see what the answer is. I get a whole host of social dysfunctional Governments, and issues to be concerned about. From genocide in Africa, to preemptive war in America.
Say what you will, the best the Republicans can come up with is Abstinence based sex education. The same people who talk agains abortion, will be the same people who say she should have kept her legs crossed, or she is a slut, or easy. The same people will pat their sons on the back, and make some comment about sex, or tell a dirty joke. The same people will turn on their TVs and watch some of the sex filled, woman abusing programs; watch those situation comedies with all the forced laughter with the sexual innuendo.
Reduce Abortion, throw out your TV, spend time with your kids, educate them, and then prepare to support them when it doesn’t work.
Single Issue indeed!

Disgusting Republicans. I was a Hillary supporter, and not too thrilled about Obama, but I will defend him to no end against trash like this.

As a Catholic conservative republican I apologize on behalf of these people.

I am strongly against this Christian group for its racial overtones, just as I am strongly against Obama and Michelle for being a Church member for 20 years which stresses the outdated and reversed racial views.

jesus would have been a libertarian.

This group does not speak for the majority of Catholics or for the Catholic Church. The Catholic bishops have a document on voting that includes much more than “a single issue” — it speaks about poverty, peace, and the environment. This group purports to speak for the Church (even stealing the bishop’s logo from their 2003 document on voting!!), but they are out of step with the church’s teaching.

Classy.

For all you people that think you understand what political party Jesus would be are Democrats trying to impostor Catholics.
Jesus’s kingdom was not of this world. The devil offered Jesus any government he wanted. Jesus told him his kingdom is not of this world.
So the answer Jesus would never get involved in earthly politics in anyway

topher
the american indians believe in the great spirit—-does that make them exempt.???????????

Catholics shouldn’t be fooled. Remember Paul’s warning, “the Devil often appears as an angel of light.”
That’s how I feel about Obama.

The weird thing about the scriptures was it was the DEVIL who was offering the control of any Government to Jesus.

dl…and if he voted he’d vote for the guy that was not pitching to go to war.
Try to get this straight…Obama didn’t have a vote. He made a speech at that time that he thought it was wrong to go to war. No vote was involved. If there had been a vote he would have voted “present.” Since then he has voted to fund the war!

These bigoted people do not speak for me as a Catholic!!!

A real christian would not point at someone that is a christian who made a sin and go AH that’s why i am not a christian anymore or look a typical christian. They would pick the person up and forgive them.
Everybody sins and nobody is perfect. But Abortions is a an abomination against GOD.

We can disagree with Obama or McCain but when interest groups that supports a particular candidate does things like the CDC has done–then that crosses the line.

RODNEY the reason we know right from wrong is simple. GOD made it that way. Animals no matter how smart do not and never will have the knowledge of RIGHT and WRONG.

exactly

we have started to discuss war—i feel the pain when one of ours gets killed—–i also feel the same for the innocent–a group of which i do not see any numbers of—–can anyone give me a count—-see what i mean

dl…For every one reason you have to not vote for McCain I could give you 10 reasons I would not vote for Obama. Most of them are quite frightening.
What makes you think Obama will be such a good President. Try to ask yourself that. A President that is willing without preconditions to talk to terrorists.

You can’t be a Christian and vote to allow babies in botched abortions who survive to sit there and die with no medical intervention. That’s what Obama did. I don’t know what he is, but he’s not a Christian.

kat most of America is very Conservative.

dooms
you’re wrong
most of America is not VERY conservative…go look at the numbers…they have changed much …
especially in the last 4 years.
The number of people that call themselves liberal has doubled…and the number that says they are open to liberal views…tripled.
The country is like it was with abolition and women’s rights and it’s own initial inception and creation of it’s constitution moving forward and more “liberal”…
almost every great American and movement in our history was termed in one way or another “liberal”
8 years ago we tried to swing back…look what it got us.

Obama has no business pushing any faith issue.
Reverend Wright and Father Pflager were enough for me and my community.
They are racist and anti Americans.
These men were Obama’s mentors and friends.
How dare Obama consider asking for any evangelical to stand with him.
He needs to be talking about his relationship with Wrightm, plager, Farrakhan, Rezko and Ayers before he goes any further.
The Republicans didn’t forget these guys.
What’s wrong with Democrats.
Is this only about race?

Does Obama have a “God Complex”?

dooms
what recent history?
you mean the empires that take over other countries? and then fall apart after they lose perspective?
or do you mean the governments that are driven by religion…oh like…
oh this is too fun

Topher you just looking at spikes in a capitalist economy. Spikes are normal in a capitalist economy. Complete failures of modern govt’s that went libral in recent history. Ever hear of RUSSIA for one big example.

This is typical of the so-called “Christian” Rightists. They support the right to life from conception to birth. Anything else including the truth is purely situational.

Hard to imagine why any group would use this imagery to attack Obama. Talk about insensitive. Like invoking the holocaust in oppo to Lieberman in 2000 or something. Does this backfire?

repubs are in a panic and will try anything to get your vote– ikeep wondering what is next—perhaps cross burning—anything is possible –and dont blame the church for what mortals have done–punish them as we need the church.

kat…Why would catholics be embarrassed by this?

Logically, it seems terribly hypocritical to be “Pro-Life” and support the war at the same time. How can conservatives explain that one?

Rodney…message received and yes, the Iraqi people and the Iranians and all the other innocent people caught between a rock and a hard spot when Governments recklessly engage in war when diplomacy is an option. I’m not a fan of Olmert if that is where you are going.

Rezko, Pfleger, Wright, Ayers.
They do matter.
They speak to judgment, or in Obama’s case, the lack of judgment. He wrapped himself in these miscreants. Now he can’t get far enough away from them.
Obama said repeatedly that he did not hear the hateful vitriole from Wright, but in his audio book Obama comes right out and says that he did hear it.
Obama is an out and out liar.
And he is counting heavily on your ignorance.

PRO-LIFE ARE STUP*DILY PRO-DEATH PENALTY…VERY CHRISTIAN INDEED!

To “Christian” and others who assert that it is somehow not racist to equate opposing slavery with opposing abortion…
The comparison explicitly puts black people–fully grown adults, capable of functioning on their own–on the same footing as fetuses–which truly are helpless.
Considering that one of the most popular arguments put forth in support of slavery was that black people were too simple-minded, helpless, and childlike to effectively care for themselves, I would say that the comparison is, indeed, racist.
Even if the person making the comparison didn’t intend it that way, the very fact of that person’s ignorance of how the comparison might be received by people of color, and his/her ignorance about the history of the struggle against slavery, is, in itself, racist.

So if life begins at conception, does that mean that someone who is 20 1/2 years old can get a drink at a bar?

I don’t understand what the fuss is all about. Their point was that it is ok to be a single issue voter. They are saying that as someone who disapproves of slavery, it is ok for you not to vote for someone who supports the right to slavery even if the candidate otherwise doesn’t own slaves. This is a perfectly legitimate analogy.

Which is worse: voluntary abortion or voluntary contraception? Abortion is worse. If the Catholic Church, the Evangelicals, and Republicans opposed to abortion wanted to reduce it, they would launch a huge campaign promoting birth control ande distributing free pills and condoms. But they don’t want to end abortion. They want the impossible. They want teenagers and mothers with seven kids to stop having sex or to have nwanted babies as pnishment for their sins. Doesn’t work does it? One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same things while expecting a better outcome. Look at the birthrates in Europe! Not enough to maintain the present poplation. Look at the abortion rates — much lower than e U.S. If you hate fetuses dying in agony, then recognize that unmated ova and sperm die without a whimper (but then they aren’t really alive are they? So who gives a damn? Why should proportionately more American fetuses die in agony, while proportionately fewer European fetuses are aborted? Check this conundrum out with your friendly neighborhood bishop or monsignor and report back, but then they are too busy defending the Church against charges of sheltering pedophine priests (not the altar boys against pedophilile priests to spend any time actually reducing the number of abortions in their dioceses.

Rogo wrote:
So if life begins at conception, does that mean that someone who is 20 1/2 years old can get a drink at a bar?
This is too funny!!

I WAS an angry Hillary supporter.
But within two or so weeks after the end of the Dem. Primaries, I found it increasingly embarassing to sustain my McCain Shift.
These ads don’t help. I’ll vote for the better of two tepid choices.

The ad is true they are running. Obama wants tax payers to pay for abortions and approves of most types of abortins. Obama also approves of NOT giving health care to a baby born live to a failed abortion.
If it were not true then SUE them.

“no faithful Catholic would vote for a candidate who, although ‘personally opposed to slavery,’ supported ‘a white man’s right to choose’ to own slaves.”
The logic of this is pretzel – dipped in mud – BAD analogy on many levels. Anyone heard of the Missouri Compromise?
FYI – Abe Lincoln was one of those that “personally opposed slavery” but was not opposed to it in states where it already existed. Before the American Civil War and even on the war’s early stages Lincoln said that the Constitution prohibited the federal government from abolishing slavery in states where it already existed. His position and the position of the Republican Party in 1860 was that slavery should not be allowed to expand into any more territories, and thus all future states admitted to the Union would be free states.
Of course he “Flipped Flopped” later but thats another story

To quote the late, great George Carlin regarding so-called pro-lifers: “They aren’t pro-life; they’re anti-women!”

i want to know what does slavery has to do with abortion? no one owns anyone. these smears are ugly and have no place in this arena obama has my vote a woman has a right to her body. it is her choice either way. perfect example look at those 17 teens in mass if they were educated on prevention and getting an education and making a life for themselves instead being strapped down with a baby for the rest of their life that is slavery unwarrented for at least 18 years in the lowest form. the catholic church needs to address these issues, instead of putting fear about electing a black man ( who is just a man in my eyes) who will do good for this country instead of mccain who will take us to wwlll

At the end of the day, it’s still a fact that the numbers of deaths by abortion world-wide (combined surgical and medical abortions) is now in the billions, with no let-up in sight. Each fetus was living. Each was human. And a being, not an abstract.

Please READ the pamphlet before spouting off your uninformed opinions. The “racist, hateful” comments about slavery is neither! It basically sets up a parallel between ‘A person who opposes slavery can’t morally support a slave owner’ and ‘A person who opposes abortion can’t morally support a woman who chooses an abortion’.

And we wonder why an increasing number of people don’t attend services anymore. This speaks thousands. “let he who has no sin throw the first rock” Go on CDC throw it! Shame Shame Shame on you!

When will CHRISTIANS demand these obviously NON-CHRISTIANS not take the name of CHRISTIANS in vain?
CHRISTIANS who DO NOT SPEAK OUT are ENABLERS and allow their good reputations dragged thru the dirt.
Where’s the RIGHTEOUS ANGER?
Where’s your voice?
Use it or lose it.

Its the same religious right that supports the death penalty, the war in Iraq (and seemingly any war in general).
They would have more credibility if they weren’t so hypocritical. Modern day pharisees.

I am Catholic, but I know that over 4,000 people lost their lives in Bush’s war. American christians supported Bush in the last two elections. I am more concerned about the quality of live for those who are already born. Also, there are so many females giving birth to babys without being married now, it’s almost a non-issue. The christrian people need to speak to the people who are getting these abortions. I don’t like the idea of same sex marriage, but I believe that is strictly a religious conviction not a civil one. Gay people pay taxes too and have constitutional rights. I don’t like or agree with many things that people do, but if the US constitution gives them that right, so be it.

jP over 3000 people lost their lives in a matter of a few hours thanks to the middle east terrorist on 9/11.
Over 20,000 died in one day on d-day
2000 died on pearl harbor day.
what is your point for You keeping a body count

I’d just like to say that I agree wholeheartedly with Karela’s comment about Christ’s example being simple. I’m against abortion, but I’m like Obama as well as many other Christians when I stand up for Roe vs. Wade and it’s protection of individualism. We cannot force our beliefs onto anyone. And, even though it’s really sad to kill what I believe is “life”, I’d rather something be done by a doctor than by a desperate woman who’d have an abortion with or without the legality. I also think that the Christian defense should spend their money on abstinence campaigns and/or condoms rather than really illogical ads that have an air of racism.
Also, to anyone who’s still on that dumb Wright thing — get off it! I can’t believe that you’ve all forgotten who many other religious leaders have said equally (if not more so) stupid remarks…Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, Franklin Graham, and I’m sure more:
We’re all human and we all say dumb things. Even McCain and his pretzel policy points are dumb. So, start focusing on real issues at hand — not stuff we’ve already been forgiven for.
I’m Christian, family is Catholic, and I’m voting for Obama for lots of reasons and issues at hand.

@dl: As I understand the libertarians, they are for personal freedom, choice and responsibility. It sounds pretty Jesus like to me. Jesus said (something like) “give unto Caesar that which is Caesars and give unto the lord that which is the lords”. Sounds like separation of church and state to me.
(dl, if I’ve completely missed the point of libertarians, ok. I can’t say I’ve spent much time keeping up on them).

The Religious Right are neither

@carolyn: The Pope has come out and told catholics to vote against abortion. That’s coming from the top. No Trinity Church or childish assumptions needed.
Posted by: X marks the spot | Jul 9, 2008 3:54:52 PM
The Pope has also called for stopping the war. Which candidate is more determined to end the war? Which is more setermined to continue it?

I am also not a Catholic anymore because of the attitude that we should vote based on one issue: abortion.
Never mind that McCain wants to continue the Iraq debacle for another 50 years,(do the 80,000 Iraq citizens who have died and the thousands maimed count?) or keep the tax breaks for his wealthy friends (while more poor Americans go hungry as food prices rise, don’t the poor need a bigger tax break more?)or not have any plan for reasonably priced health insurance available to all Americans, (how many children or their mom or dad dies because they don’t get medical care or medicine soon enough, do their lives count?) It seems morally insane to care about the lives of those who aren’t here more than caring for those who are here now and need our help desperately.

I find it interesting and hypocritical that the conservative right is backing John McCain after his cameo appearance in the movie, ”Wedding Crashers” which was criticized by movie critics for repeated excessive nudity. McCain made no apologies for it and actually joked about it on Jay Leno stating, “”In Washington, I work with boobs every day.”
How is it that the conservative right has turned their heads from this and pretend it never happened? They point out McCain’s values and morals and this diabolical appearance is in direct opposition to Christian values. I bet if Obama had appeared in such a raunchy movie, the conservative right would criticize him for amoral and indecent behavior. I am a Christian and I am appalled John McCain would appear in such a movie and turn around and run for the office of president.
Isn’t it interesting how the conservative right pick and choose their values, whenever it suits them best. Thanks for pretending McCain has done nothing wrong, so you can keep a tight grip on your taxes. And by the way; doesn’t it give you an out for voting for that black guy? It’s no wonder the world think we are a bunch of hypocrites because we are. I can’t in good conscience vote for either one of them.

I FEEL BETTER READING SOME OF THESE COMMENTS KNOWING IM NOT ALONE AND IF WE ALL STAND UP WATCH OUT AMERICAS COMIN WE THE POEPLE NOT WE THE GOVERNMENT