By Jennifer Parker

Jul 2, 2008 9:18am

George W. Obama

FROM GUEST-BLOGGER RICK KLEIN, from ABC’s The Note

He’s talking about service and patriotism, expanding funding for faith-based initiatives, sitting down with Colin Powell, and winning the (mocking) praise of The Wall Street Journal for continuing the policies of President Bush.

Just another day in the campaign life of Sen. Barack Obama.

In today’s Note, I look at some of the ways that Obama, D-Ill., is running the Bush playbook. You can see it in some of his policy positions — his shifts to the center have been remarkable in the last few weeks — and also in the tone and tenor of a disciplined campaign that’s shown a ruthless streak.

(It’s a theme we also pursued two weeks ago, after Obama announced he wouldn’t participate in the public campaign-financing system.)

There’s little debate that Obama is moving from the left — and there’s very real concern among his supporters over that, online and off — but he’s not moving all the way right, either, even on faith-based initiatives. (He included some sharp words for the way Bush has managed the program, even though he is building on a signature program of the president’s first term.)

More than that, what may surprise some Democrats is that he’s not allowing ideology to get in the way of his desire to win. Politico’s Roger Simon makes this insightful point today: “He has decided to run as a candidate for president and not as the leader of a movement.”

But what of the (political) movement it takes to make that happen? Worth the risk of a backlash from some disillusioned idealists?

– Rick Klein

User Comments

Where’s Obama’s position today? Geez I can’t keep up. BTW: faith based programs are unconstitutional. Yes, yes the religious nuts that support them will spin it to sound as if it’s not about the faith but rather the charity, blah blah blah.

Posted by: Don | July 2, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

Obama HEART Obama.
Well kids, the baby boomers tried to tell you about new age gurus. But hey, you millenials invented the Internet, right? Some old school advice:
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.” Jesus Christ

Posted by: len | July 2, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

Obama can shift to the center on several issues as long as he’s correct on the economy, health care, and the war… I have no problem.
What should be a problem is John McCain shifting from the center to the right on all the major issues etc Iraq, economy, health care, abortion, and drilling.

Posted by: Vanessa | July 2, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Looks like Obama followers have been had! This guy is no new-age politician. Worse, he’s untrustworthy. BHO fans should be feeing betrayal — he’s abandoning the very principles that attracted them in the first place. Exactly what new politics does he bring anyway? And, he’s completely inexperienced and has a really lousy track record of getting things done.

Posted by: S | July 2, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Obama is full of promises and empty on action. There is no indication that he has the capacity to deliver anything but speeches about change. Who goes out and gives a speech about patriotism anyway. Or tries to continue a program that most Democrats are deadest against.
This guy will throw him self under the bus. McCain does not even have to lift a finger. The Obama camp is doing a great job destroying it self.

Posted by: Joe Smith | July 2, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

obama’ position on healthcare and the economy was FUELED by someone elses means.
now that he is driving solo. hes position has come to a standstill.
len,
i want my bumper sticker.

Posted by: w | July 2, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

I doubt that Obama’s supporters are opening their eyes to the reality of their candidate who indeed is “just a politician” rather than the great social “movement” they signed on for. They’re too invested in him and his campaign to back out now. Besides, no one likes to admit they’ve been had. That’s how flimflam men like Obama succeed – they prey on gullibility to lure their victims and pride to keep them from turning on them.

Posted by: HoosierSue | July 2, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

What happens to Obama? It’s hard to be inspired any longer. He keeps changing his stance not because he cares, but because he’s inexperienced. At times, he changes from white to black or black to white, blue to red and red to blue. Such was a fresh candidate carries so much baggage with him already in so short a time.

Posted by: Obama_fever | July 2, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Vanessa
What are BHO’s current positions on the economy, health care and the war?

Posted by: S | July 2, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Why should Obama supporters feel betrayed?
Obama promises a change from the Bush policies. As far as I’m concerned Obama has not taken a Bush position on any of the major issues.
Obama’s not the one promising a 3rd term of Bush policies.

Posted by: Vanessa | July 2, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am

Obama is moving to the right iordeer to trupm John McCain, forcing jonh further right. It will be interesting to watch

Posted by: thinking | July 2, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Where’s the story of McCain’s top fundraiser be a sponsor of a terrorist group?
Senator McCain is a fraud. Taking money from terrorist sponsors should ban McCain from ever holding any public office in the US.

Posted by: Debbie | July 2, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am

Pile on all you want. Won’t change a thing. Barack Obama will be the best President the free world has had in a lifetime. He has done nothing in the last 2 weeks to change anyone’s mind on that. In fact, he’s expanding his base.
Read his books. Every policy he now espouses is laid out in there… written down long before this race got started.
So keep screaming. Keep jumping up and down. Keep telling us that hope is false. It will make your silence all the more sweeter when November comes.

Posted by: PJ | July 2, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

Really what does Obama believe except that he wants to be elected and doesn’t care what policies he has to say he advocates in order to get there. Typical politician. It’s all about power not principle and his brain dead worshippers only enable his unctuous behavior.

Posted by: mPCT | July 2, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

The bumper sticker is lost in the snail mail, W. The shipper can’t find our plant because the web maps are still out of date so we had to ship it Federal and with the price of gas, well the stamp costs more than the sticker, so maybe you’ll get it next month. Meanwhile, we are sending you our latest blog on 10 Ways To Sell Your Home To The Kids at Google. :-)
There is a fascinating observation from one of the gen-x network gurus at Wired, Kevin Kelly. He says productivity no longer matters in networks because everyone blogs and that is the source of innovation in today’s fast moving evolving economy. Everyone is a writer.
:-) They have ALL the answers but few of the right questions.
That’s ok. Let them ride Segways. We’ll hunt them from Harleys. Let’s see who racks up the most dents.

Posted by: len | July 2, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

Three elements of Obama’s position on the economy is
*Cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families
*Provide a Foreclosure Prevention Fund
*Create 5 Million New Green Jobs
Two elements of Obama’s position on health care is
*Lower the cost of Health care
*Mandate for children
One element of Obama’s position on the war is
*A gradual withdrawal from Iraqi

Posted by: Vanessa | July 2, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

rick klein
hope Jake is reading this today…
this is created…not reporting.
People should be aware very clearly that this is not Jake’s article this is you writing this all over ABC’s website…
sad.
Obama is running on what he said over and over in NH and IA.
He is reaching across the aisle to get us past the hurdles that are killing us…and sending us to war when we don’t need to… …and not saying that everything on either side of the aisle is bad…
but also not letting someone force us into believing we are not safe…or that parts of the population are invaluable…
you suddenly take this and make it “Bush”
that is a jump at best… but good for a weird attractive headline…even if it is created in the reporters mind and not the facts.
Jake come back from vacation.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Can you name a major difference between McCain and Bush on the economy, Iraqi war, and health care?

Posted by: Vanessa | July 2, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

Tuesday morning, the Denver City Council President Michael Hancock introduced singer Rene Marie to perform the national anthem.
Instead, she performed the song “Lift Ev’ry Voice and Sing,” which is also known as the “black national anthem.”
When she finished, the audience responded with mild applause. The national anthem was never performed.
I wonder how this fits into BHO’s newly found patriotism.

Posted by: S | July 2, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Vanessa,
And exactly what is BHO’s position on the war this week. I remember he was against it when he was in the Illinois senate before he became for it in the U.S. Senate. He is now softening his language and indicating the troops will stay longer than he originally indicated. Next he will visit with Petraeous and then what will it be? Oh, is he now pro-NAFTA, he was against it (sans Canadian wink) and now since he’s moving to the right is he for it this week? Does NAFTA have anything to do with the economy in your book?
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Obama — you gotta be kidding me
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | July 2, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

I don’t know why his support for faith-based initiatives should surprise any one or be regarded as some kind of cynical “move to the middle.” He’s spoken frequently of his own faith, of the importance of the community work that Trinity was involved in, and his belief that change comes from the bottom up. He’s also spoken eloquently about the need to find common ground with those we disagree with in order to work constructively together.
I find his support for this program to be competely consistent with the things he’s been talking about all along. As long as the faith based funding generates results, doesn’t discriminate and doesn’t support proselytizing, I don’t have a problem with it. Good on you, Senator.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | July 2, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

The DNC has done a great job of pulling off a classic bait-and-switch. They rigged the primaries to benefit Obama and discredit Hillary, because Hillary would have stood for something positive, and now they run Obama as a faux-liberal-neocon-in-democrats-clothing.
You have been fooled again America. There is no difference between McCain and Obama. They both represent the entrenched interests.

Posted by: Joshua Batterson | July 2, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

and just so you know Rick I sat in small rooms with both of these candidates…(Obama several times) when they were here in NH.
Obama has not left the core values that make him choose these decisions from what he said off the cuff in these small living room sessions all of last year.
YOU are creating this change because you are not looking at what he said exactly.
McCain has changed toward Bush overwhelmingly over the past two years.
I heard both of these men tak questions and answers off the cuff…
McCain policies = Bush’s policies almost exactly.
Obama policies = a large change from 95% of Bush’s policies.
He has always agreed on Bush’s faith based initiatives but thought it should be expanded to include some non-religious organizations. He has always said FISA should be looked at for the courts to eb there….he has always said that the issue with public finance is influence of big money corporate donors…and that was the problem…and lobbyists.
He has not changed on those core principals…
Presidents need to focus on what they can do to handle when a situation changes…(not old speeches because journalists play gotcha with single words)… when it is correct to do so…otherwise …you get GW Bush.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

To change with change is a changeless state.
- Bruce Lee, 1971, describing his art of fighting, could also used to describe a politician like Obama.

Posted by: change_master | July 2, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am

This is the DNC strategy: invoke McCain as the boogeyman for the entire election cycle so that people will not actually see that Obama and McCain are the same candidate with very little difference. Geore Bush’s third term will be won this time around because there is no difference between Obama and McCain. Neither Obama nor McCain have real solutions to rebuild our economy because to have a real plan, like Hillary had, would require that American workers benefit, not private global companies. Remember, Hillary was all about investing in infrastructure and strengthening the dollar and American workers with a New Deal approach. Obama wants to invest in infrastructure by letting private corporations use public tax dollars but not have the public see a return on investment on their tax dollars under a Public Private Partnership scheme. Change? Remember, that is a word companies throw around right before they lay off thousands of workers.

Posted by: Joshua Batterson | July 2, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

From claiming Iran is a “tiny country” that poses “no threat” to wanting to meet with the world’s dictators without preconditions (but he’s not been willing to meet with American General Petraeus in Iraq), Obama instills zero confidence in his ability to handle anything more substantial than sliding money across the counter at 7-11 to buy his next pack of cigarettes, a long-time habit he hides from the public like a frightened school girl.
Obama is a top-flight con man to be sure, but nothing close even remotely close to presidential material.

Posted by: Derrick | July 2, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Obama was against the war in 2002 and against the war in 2008.
Obama voted to fund the war not for the war. If our troops are already serving for a pointless propaganda war, the least our nation can do is fund them with the right equipment to battle.
Obama is pro-NAFTA. He’s also pro- renegotiating NAFTA.

Posted by: Vanessa | July 2, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Good Job Media
Attack the man, not his message or the issues.
Apparently the media is trying to keep this race close, kinda like a referee helping the losing side stay close. I’m sure it is better for their ratings.
I prefer to look at the facts and the issues…but if you want a little bit of dirt, try this:
The media is reporting today that Americans do not know much about Cindy McCain.
There are two salient facts, in my view:
Cindy McCain was a drug addict who stole a massive amount of drugs from her medical charity. She was caught by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), plead guilty and was placed into a diversion and rehabilitation program. That is a program for rich women break the law when they are married to a U. S. Senator who. Cindy was a thief and a drug addict.
If a hospital nurse or doctor stole drugs to feed a habit, they would still be in prison.
Second, Cindy had a steamy affair with John McCain while he was still married to his first wife and the three children who had waited loyally for McCain to return from Vietnam.
When Cindy agreed to marry McCain, he tossed out the old wife and kids and married Cindy McCain 3 months later.
This is not only McCain’s biggest flip-flop, it is the greatest stain on his character.
If a man will not keep his word and protect his honor with his family, then how can anyone trust him?
And what does this say about the woman?

Posted by: toothchipper55 | July 2, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

The real issues with Obama are that he supports retroactive immunity for the telecommunications industry in the unconstitutional spying scandal, he supports Public Private Partnerships which is another word for privatization of publicly financed infrastructure projects, he is a complete neocon in his position on Iran, he takes twice as much money from the special interests on Wall Street than the other candidates combined, and he does not represent a truly progressive, i.e. positive agenda for the country, and he is no anti-war lefty as he proclaims to be. Do your research America. You are being fooled again.

Posted by: Joshua Batterson | July 2, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

There’s a piece in Wall Street Journal online today about this very topic–Obama running for Bush 3rd term.
Mentions that Obama is the most liberal Senator but doesn’t want America to know it.
Exactly how stupid does Obama think America is? He may be able to fool naive teenagers with his charm–and some people don’t hold Obama to any standard whatsoever.
Can you really trust or respect someone that won’t take a stand?

Posted by: riley | July 2, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Oh please Dear God let he be talking to Colin Powell about a possible VP slot. Oh Please Oh Please!!!!!!

Posted by: JENNY | July 2, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Joshua Batterson
Obama is anti-war….but smart anti-war…the issue is not military…the issue is diplomatic…
Obama a neo-con…is out and out laughable…
Obama is walking the correct line that most of us who started the movement in NH anyway…who were the first ones to get to ask questions of these candidates (some of us went to see almost all of the caniddates …and got to hear them answer questions offn the cuff.)
Obama is the new generations mindset. Not old world fears and tactics that are out of date with the new world and economy…
the Bush administration used these to advance a small groups agenda…
and McCain thinks the terrorists are under the control of governments in the middle east and that is where there strength comes from…
that is old and blind thinking…
the terrorists are in villages watching tv’s… the terrorists are throughout many countries…and many of our allies countries…even our country I would guess…
the terrorist movement and strength and the battlefront is not in governments…its in individual minds…Barack and Joe Biden got this…very clearly…and visibly.
McCain very clearly does not.
Blowing up a government in the middle east…and occupying countries makes it worse not better for us.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

Jenny: I totally agree. OBAMA PLEASE PICK COLIN POWEL FOR VP. That would be the dream ticket.
I have been saying this from day one.

Posted by: becky | July 2, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Obama is going to pick Joe Biden…

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

Check out “Obama backs faith in public life” by James Coomarasamy today at BBC:
“US presidential hopeful Barack Obama has said he would expand George W Bush’s programme of involving religious groups in government initiatives.”
If the Democrats nominate this “post-partisan” fraud, we are all done for — ESPECIALLY the Democrats.

Posted by: Belle Starr | July 2, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

Obama will say and do anything to get elected. He must not be doing too well with Hillary supporters so he has to pander to the right.

Posted by: kathy | July 2, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

bushes third term
lol
remarkable

Posted by: bhrandon | July 2, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

Why are all three politcal disscussions on Barrak today? why don’t we hear about this Jake?
The co-host of a recent top-dollar fundraiser for Sen. John McCain oversaw the payment of roughly $1.7 million to a Colombian paramilitary group that is today designated a terrorist organization by the United States.
Or are you really Mccains “base”?

Posted by: Joe | July 2, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am

Belle Starr
Obama has said he would enlarge this program to include organization that are not secular and that these reliqious organizations could only use the moneys strictly for non secular activities…
it is taking the best of a program and increasing it.
This is how religion can help people not their own churches.
Read what he said.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am

Joe — You’re up to your old childish tricks of shooting the messenger. Some things never change!

Posted by: S | July 2, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Obama will pick Jim Webb.
*Vietnam War Vet
*ex-Republican
*Senator of Viginia (Red State Obama leads)
*Served as the first Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs then as Secretary of the Navy under the Reagan administration
*Native of Missouri (swing state)
*Recieved the Navy Cross
*Son is serving in Iraq

Posted by: Vanessa | July 2, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am

I’m just saying this is BS if Barrack had a tie to someone like that you’d hear about it 24/7 for a month. And you know it.

Posted by: Joe | July 2, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Terrible article…
I know a closer race will benefit the media, but even the article’s title reeks of unyielding grasping for attention.
Obama is teaching young Americans what democracy should be–hope that things will change. Is he perfect? No, absolutely not.
Anyone that thinks the country will benefit from the government bowing out or maintaining futile hubris right now has been in a coma for the past 8 years. Economic and social times like these are exactly when the government IS needed and necessary.

Posted by: Drew | July 2, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Mr. Obama’s newly minted centrist views are refreshing. His position on abortion, immigration, taxes and the Iraq War should satisfy the liberal wing, and he is cautiously moving to the center on religion and gun ownership. It’s an interesting study in the effectiveness of the “change you can believe in ” mantra and the time worn cliche of “being all things to all people.” You gotta have a sense of humor to appreciate US politics.

Posted by: moderate | July 2, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am

“Read what he said.”
I READ what he said. I’m voting for Nader-Gonzalez: better a government you can plainly hate, than one led by a confused corporate figure-head who does nothing but suck up to the right and bleat about the mystical powers of his own dubious DNA.

Posted by: Belle Starr | July 2, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

dont forget, barack obama even sold out inner city blacks by not supporting controls over guns in washington d.c.

Posted by: what | July 2, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

WHY THE HOSTILITY???
Obama is demonstrating that he believes the President of the United States is the President of ALL of the people of the United States.
Can you say the same of George “Rove Strategy” Bush?
Question:
WHY DOES JOHN MCCAIN CONTINUE TO MOVE TO THE *RIGHT* FROM HIS ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE ROOTS?

Posted by: John's conscience | July 2, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am

Hey, “what”, he still supports reasonable restrictions while supporting the constitution.

Posted by: Drew | July 2, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

obama cannot be trusted,he lies and shifts as to whatever group he is pandering to that day.just say no.go PUMA.

Posted by: don tufts | July 2, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

“Obama is teaching young Americans what democracy should be–hope that things will change.”
“Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals…”
“Obama is the new generations mindset.”
“I’d like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony….”
The 1970s…. second verse same as the first in 2008. Yes you can, but why?
Change? Or Retro-bution?

Posted by: len | July 2, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

Vanessa
as much as I would think webb would be good…
he has some really big issues with some papers about women that he wrote… unfortunately for him those would crush him in a general
Biden is a more comfortable quantity (and as much as Obama is about change Biden fits both experience and a very different viewpoint than Bush and McCain)
Biden is the smartest foreign policy guy in washington by many standards…and it really is more about the overall foreign policy rather than just the military subset.
He already showed he is the most effective and well versed attack dog on the dem side.
He is a native of PA.
He gets blue collar.
He and the Clintons get along.
He already has a working relationship with petraeus and Gates (who is probably going to continue as the sec of defense)
and most of all the familiarity if heaven forbid the tragedy happened and we lost a President American would need someone not just with a military and aggresive kind of background but someone who could speak to America and carry them (and the markets) through the overwhelming tragedy of a Presidential loss.
as much as I like Webb…the women issue and his lack on economy etc…leaves him kind of out of the running.
Biden is the overwhelmingly logical (and I think at this point inevitable unless Hillary’s numbers get better with opposition) choice.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

@dl: on biden. Here we agree. Biden is a pragmatist and a straight shooter.

Posted by: len | July 2, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

“Obama is teaching young Americans what democracy should be–hope that things will change.”
This has next to NOTHING to do with “democracy” — which is certainly NOT the process by which this double-speaking fraud has been elevated to politi-cult status.
If this guy’s the best the Democratic “leadership” can come up with, the hell with the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Belle Starr | July 2, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

biden is a nobody. Obama is shooting himself in the foot for not considering Hillary for VP.

Posted by: what | July 2, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

see Len
common ground will be found.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

“Biden is a pragmatist and a straight shooter.”
Biden is an embarrassing bucket of bluster who, time after time, comes on strong for the “press”, then backs down.
Why Biden had to run for president instead of pursuing his huge congressional duties is anybody’s guess.

Posted by: Belle Starr | July 2, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

McCain and his ilk are hypocrtical liars. How can McCain utter the words about Clark being removed when he is taking money from terrorists? McCain is all about McCain…he’s an elitest with the Senator’s wife spending a half Million in a month on her AMEX. How can this family that represents only the most RICH AND WELL CONNECTED truley understand the needs of the common man? There is a disconnect between McCain and the American people and this election cycle we will not have this phoney be forced on us.

Posted by: MIMS NJ | July 2, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

what
I am sure Obama is considering Hillary for VP…even if many of his supporters don’t want it still…(which is just the dumb anger left over from the primary on both sides…thus the stupid PUMA people too…)
but Hillary has always had a galvenizing force against her…adn still does…her ceiling is much lower than it was than even before the election…and she and Obama are almost the same on every issue….and as much as her first lady years are some kind of experience…they are nto the best experience.
She has some great fans but unless her numbers of people who kind of hate her come up…(because unfortunately the “hate” numbers are the galvanizing force for the other side…and yes…her “hate” numbers are unfortunately higher than any pol outside of Bush…and I say unfortunately)
but if she plays it right over the next few weeks…adn Bill…and the pUMA people don’t pi*ss too many off…
than she could be more of a consideration…
but right now…I don’t know how you can look and see the numbers and the issues…and not see Biden is the logical choice by a pretty good margin at this point.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

I have never voted Republican in my life. And I won’t this time. But I won’t be voting Democrat this, either. That’s never happened before. But Obama’s a charlatan. I’m voting for Nader. If Democrats want my vote back, nominate Clinton in August.

Posted by: Andrew Austin | July 2, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

Belle Star, I’m intrigued. Perhaps I should have used “political system” instead of democracy. Can you tell me how change has nothing to do with our political system?
If you are saying it is not happening, I agree.

Posted by: Drew | July 2, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Belle Starr
do you listen to anybody than your own voice?
what Biden says is usually (almost always) correct.
I think most Americans will take a correct blusterer over something else.
Like him or not…think he talks too much or not…
I love how you say he blows up for the press and then backs down after…
when?
he is the logical choice at this point…insult him all you want but when you look at the job of VP
never mind…imagine the debate between him (one on one) with anybody McCain could pick?
Biden would trash em on knowledge alone.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Where’s the Change? Oh, Yes, the Change is “how I can fool people to think I am different, but at heart am just another phony politician trying to win an election.”

Posted by: Maria | July 2, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

I’m sure Hill is still on the short list and I’m pleased by that. Still it is Obama’s choice to make and given Webb vs Biden I’d rather it be Biden.
Actually, dl, I think the Hate Hillary forces are diminishing in strength. She proved she is one tough bird and it impressed a lot of people.
As much fun as we are having here, the sober minds are working a twelve year strategy. It will take that long to undo the damage we inflicted on ourselves. Meanwhile, the rest of the world isn’t sitting still. Change is coming because change is the one indisputable perennial. Our choices are not about hoping or wishing but managing it. We don’t set the agenda for the whole planet. We do have to set ours and we do have to manage that in real time.
I don’t see Obama pulling this off without some very strong support in the House and Senate. Biden and Clinton can do him some good in either position but only if they are given the freedom to enter the Oval Office at will and to negotiate from strength. If y’all really want change, build the team with people who can hit the marks without a lot of prompting and still pull together. Having an election cycle that starts as soon as the President is sworn in is paralyzing us. The next President needs a VP and Majority Leaders who don’t start their own campaigns the moment the new guy takes his hand off the Bible.

Posted by: len | July 2, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

“It’s up to the people to tell them ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, which will be clear to them if we all vote for Nader.”
are you kidding…
a vote for Nader… is a vote against this country and a waste of your greatest duty as a citizen.
Nader is the most self-aggrandizing man in the history of this country.
He can’t win…and the issues he says he is fighting for are only damged by his self fulfilling presence.
Nader is an egomaniac…above anyone no matter who you are for or against.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

“Can you tell me how change has nothing to do with our political system?”
The only “change” going on is that the Democratic “leadership” has gone over to an open “post-partisan” position.
The change from exclusively pale-faced sell-outs to off-white sell-outs isn’t particularly inspiring.

Posted by: Belle Starr | July 2, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Obama is definitely softening his stance on withdraweal from Iraq. (Now he will “gradually” reduce troops) What a joke! Now that he has the democratic nomination he flip and flops all over the place. Once he is president and receives briefing like Bush—-and find out all the secrets the American people never hear—-he’ll become George Bush’ 3rd term. Once you sit in that chair–find out all the things we the people never hear, I bet things don’t change. He is a politician! They are all alike!

Posted by: b4uvote | July 2, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Obama and his camp are lost when they can’t blame Hillary or can’t play the race card (their security blanket).
What will they do when Obama will no longer be seen as a victim.
McCain08 Hillary2012

Posted by: riley | July 2, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

Len
I agree again
this is how I see it going down
Pres Obama
VP Biden or Clinton (if Clinton then Biden as sec of state… and if Biden Hillary may want sec of state for foreign policy gravitas and to make sure Bill richardson doesn’t get it…but chances are she will go back to senate…but maybe sec of state)
sec of State Clinton or Richardson (Biden if she brings her numbers up and Bill C. plays it roght…for VP)
Attorney general Edwards
Sec of defense – he’ll keep Gates
National security advisor… Hagel

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

“a vote for Nader… is a vote against this country and a waste of your greatest duty as a citizen.”
NO one should recognize a “duty” to vote for a hothouse mobster just because he’s part “black”.

Posted by: Belle Starr | July 2, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

Belle Star, fair enough, I’m no fan of the party myself. I’d love to go third party (Libertarian, but Barr is a joke) but I’ve got to choose between McCain and Obama because I’d like my vote to go into a viable candidate and choose who I think will make America a better country for my children to grow up in. Obama turns my stomach but McCain removes it from my body.

Posted by: Drew | July 2, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Not a bad slate, dl. The important missing piece is the party platform. The slate has to reflect the stated objectives or the business case won’t make sense. He has to prove that this is not just about winning but serving and governing. Right now he is letting the number crunchers run the campaign. That focus on short terms will defocus the presentation. He needs a presentation with plenty of white space in the bullet list that clearly shows how one objective works with the next and how his proposed team has strengths that apply to each objective.
Clarity inspires confidence. Confidence begets strong response.
Strong response begets managable change.

Posted by: len | July 2, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

“I’d like my vote to go into a viable candidate and choose who I think will make America a better country for my children to grow up in.”
If there’s really a voters’ strike against the Democrats, “viable” takes on a whole new meaning.
What’s “viable” about a candidate whose most obvious committment to “change” is in his own positions — on domestic surveillance, on the Iraq invasion, Social Security, health care, transportation, energy.
This guy is a fraud. He’s cute-LOOKING — if you don’t actually listen to him speak to specifics more challenging than “change” — but he’s a fraud.
Or maybe just chicken to mention what kind of “change” — other than funding what amounts to state religion — he and his Democratic handlers envision?
They’re all zillionaires, our congress — with book deals and summer houses, and with every little medical test and dental attention paid for by the public in general.
Maybe the politicians should just SELL the armed forces, outright, to Blackwater or whoever — and see if it can apply itself to DOMESTIC matters: housing, health care, energy, transportation.
In California, look at years-long brush accumulation — some of it burning, some of it waiting to burn.

Posted by: Belle Starr | July 2, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

And today we learned that BHO got a very favorable loan rate for his Chicago mansion to go along with the sweetheart deal he got from the Rezkos. His middle name should be ‘dirty’. Why do some people have an affinity to such people ala OJ?

Posted by: S | July 2, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

Viable=electable, and we’ve all had our coffee.

Posted by: Drew | July 2, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

When ANY political aspirant says
“It can be the foundation of a new project of American renewal and that’s the kind of effort I intend to lead as president of the United States.”
the citizenry must BEWARE.
Saying that domestic problems are beyond solving without . . . a religious revival with The One as “charismatic leader” just. truly. sucks.
It is exactly fascism, soft fascism with a happy face, wrapped in a flag pin and the wire-tapping of every single citizen.
What in the world is Jesse Jackson (Senior, I mean) going to say at the convention? Now that his endorsee has backed off any pretense of social “change”?

Posted by: Belle Starr | July 2, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Obama bambozzled this country, he must be stopped.

Posted by: kiki | July 2, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

Belle Starr i agree a vote for nader is not a wasted vote, it is a vote against the politics of lies, deception, corruption, and manipulation. it is the only REAL vote for change.

Posted by: sonia trevino | July 2, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Obama: Living proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.

Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 2, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

Nader is the only sensible vote if you really want meaningful change in the Washington corruption.

Posted by: Turku Wren | July 2, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

no kiki
Obama did not “bamboozle” lol the country.
Read his policies…which none of you have obviously done.
there is no bamboozle here.
The bamboozle is when people don’t look at the facts and then argue like that.
Read his healthcare policy…go look at what he has said on all of these issues…
he has been consistent but people who half-listen and or are looking to jump on something that taken out of a soundbite you could spin against…
this is all bologne.
McCain has been the one that over two years has completely changed his stance on half of the issues facing us.
that is fact.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

Candidates do have the right to change his mind. I do on some issues. The question is WHY? I.e. Is Obama moving to the center just to gain votes and will simply swing back to the left in December while mumbling to himself “I got you fooled.”? The press needs to dig deeper on the issue and inform voters.

Posted by: Florida Counts | July 2, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

dl
Don’t look now but you’ve been bamboozled.

Posted by: Soetoro No! | July 2, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

NO BO, period! ..most of us know him as the “Pied Piper”, a person that offers others strong, yet delusive enticement in order to get votes, makes promises irresponsibly…NO, BO is not qualified for the office he wants; he’s woefully lacking in all the skills & experience needed for the most demanding job on the planet…and then there are the many unanswered questions about his personal past, his business associates, the private sources of his mountains of cash, et al., etc.

Posted by: ltk01 | July 2, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

If you can wade through the snark here, you’ll find that Maureen Dowd has an insightful description of Obama — passive, scared, not in control, and ultimately weak. She writes: He gives the impression of someone who would like to kid around with reporters for a minute, but knows he’s going to be peppered with on-the-record [...]

Posted by: A | July 2, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

Soetoro No!
There is a difference between what Obama is saying and what Bush was doing.
Obama said in the speech…the activities that this funds must not be “pitch sessions for the religion” …
that it had to be used for secular activities.
He also said that his idea is to open that to include secular groups that are neighborhood initiatives.
Bush was to give moneys to churches.
Obama’s proposal is to give money to the church’s secular activities…and to other secular groups activities.
“It is taking the bad idea…and making it better”
that is called working with everyone’s ideas…
and Bush rode to power on the backs on exclusion and religion…that is not what this is.

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

Soetoro No!
I am quite a bit smarter than someone who would be bamboozled by the likes of you.
I have actually read the policies.
I have actually gone and heard these people speak. I hav eheard them try to explain their “math” on these issues.
It is not a question of obama people being bamboozled…
it’s more the likes of people like you who don’t read.
or read and watch the 30 second soundbite of only the things you want to hear.
McCain back a year ago was often playing up his honesty by saying he was not a numbers guy. …and that Iran was a lot of his talk. He was a hawk…he is a hawk.
Obama had way to much ability to talk and answer questions (the likes of Dodd and Biden as far as logic and had obviously had a grasp on complexity of the issues)
so no…I have not been bamboozled…
and some of us who have been through that will not people like yourself bamboozle the country…
not after Bush was allowed to do it in 2000 and 2004..

Posted by: dl | July 2, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

Sounds like a perfect phony combination!
BhO is asking the American people to gamble on him like they did on WGB. WGO is and will be no better.

Posted by: Boneheaded, from Chicago | July 2, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

BhO plays the typical dirty Chicagoan politics, as he did when he first became a state senator, by pushing away his opponents simply not counting and discarding votes.
Now he got his Affirmative Action confirmation, he is pretending moving to the center to fool the fools.

Posted by: skinny dog | July 2, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

b4uvote, wrote,
Obama is definitely softening his stance on withdraweal from Iraq. (Now he will “gradually” reduce troops) What a joke! Now that he has the democratic nomination he flip and flops all over the place. Once he is president and receives briefing like Bush—-and find out all the secrets the American people never hear—-he’ll become George Bush’ 3rd term. Once you sit in that chair–find out all the things we the people never hear, I bet things don’t change. He is a politician! They are all alike!”
—————————————-
I totally agree with you. That’s one of the many reasons why I can’t waste my vote on him…he simply flip-flops at his own convenience to pander votes, depending on which state he is. He badly needs the Latino votes, now he’s for NAFTA.

Posted by: neil1785 | July 2, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

I love they way all you NeoCons are bashing Obama, but not one of you are talking up McCain.
Point taken.
Nice try.

Posted by: SERIOUSLY! | July 2, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

Obama’s faith based initiative proposal is just another example of how Barack Obama is willing and able to find common ground among all walks of life. Faith based organizations have a great neighborhood level infrastructure for helping those in need and can reach many that the federal government on its own cannot. It only makes sense to help these programs with their commendable work in this regard. For those who have been claiming that Obama has no values, let this be a wakeup call. Try as you may to deny the good in Obama , with stands like this, you’re quickly losing your credibility.

Posted by: hesingswithfrogs | July 2, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

As of today, Obama is over-confidant and the power is going to his head. He is buying into his own PR hype. His people are playing up the CHRISTIAN family man, but we are in the beginning stages of scandal, after scandal. His colorful past will crop up as his opposition is digging for the dirt. In Obama’s younger years he never thought that he would be running for US President. So now the ugly truth will be spoon fed to the American public: marital indiscretions, prejudice, drug use, associations with the wrong people and even money laundering associated with his church. The country’s opinion will turn on him. Unfortunately this will cause Oprah great embarrassment, and will lead to a drop in her ratings.
In the end, Obama’s reputation will be too tarnished for the vice president, Hillary will not want him. I believe that she has already spoken to John Edwards about him jumping back on the ticket as VP. John is the man with ethics, morals, and he’s standing by his wife during her time of crisis. He looks good on paper and he’s not a threat. – Michelle Whitedove

Posted by: neil1785 | July 2, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

“Faith based organizations have a great neighborhood level infrastructure for helping those in need and can reach many that the federal government on its own cannot.”
Sure: the churches as servants of the state. That’s just great.
Nobody EEXPENTS the Spanish Iquisition:
“Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise…surprise and fear…fear and surprise…. Our two weapons are fear and surprise…and ruthless efficiency…. Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency…and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope…. Our *four*…no… *Amongst* our weapons…. Amongst our weaponry…are such elements as fear, surprise…. I’ll come in again.
[The Inquisition exits]
Chapman: I didn’t expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | July 2, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

“I believe that she has already spoken to John Edwards about him jumping back on the ticket as VP. John is the man with ethics, morals, and he’s standing by his wife during her time of crisis. He looks good on paper and he’s not a threat.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | July 2, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

DL:
“Obama had way to much ability to talk and answer questions (the likes of Dodd and Biden as far as logic and had obviously had a grasp on complexity of the issues)”
But only when in view of a telprompter!
I am not wealthy enough to travel around and be present at their various appearances… but I can and do read alot…. and I have lived here in Illinois under B O’s senatorship during which he did NOTHING for the first 6 years and then put his political strivings into the hands of Emil Jones, Illinois Kingmaker!
He did nothing for his constituents which did not profit HIM… his church ($15,000,000) his wife, ($1.000,000),
his mortgage (minus $300.00 each month).
He did NOTHING for our sorely lacking school system… or for our tired and weary health system!
His associates are notably questionable; in fact the least so would be Jeremiah…. who Wright or Wrong, actually seems to BELIEVE in what he says!
So , DL, I would have to disagree with you:
YOU HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED BY A SLICK FLIP-FLOPPING INEXPERIENCED OLD TIME- NEW LOOK DIRTY POLITICIAN!
HIS name is B O Plenty!
Be careful who..you’re voting for!!!

dl:DL

Posted by: questioner | July 2, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

“Obama’s faith based initiative proposal is just another example of how Barack Obama is willing and able to find common ground among all walks of life. Faith based organizations have a great neighborhood level infrastructure ”
_______________
hmmmmm.
isn’t there something in our beloved Constitution which promotes “Separation of Church and State”.
Is Obama planning to re-write that anytime soon?
Is this one of the all-sweeping changes he’s been yattering about?
HILLARY BEFORE MCCAIN!
MCCAIN BEFORE B O!
COUNTRY BEFORE broken down DNC PARTY!!!

Posted by: HMMMMM.. | July 2, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

HMMMMM said:
Is Obama planning to re-write that anytime soon?
I think he started when he morphed the presidential seal. Such arrogance!

Posted by: Aston | July 2, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

Lots of Spy vs Spy but no substance in these comments. Here are ten talking points on the drug issue. Chew on these and see how your candidates stack up because we are coming up on the time to create platforms. How much sense is good sense vs nonsense?
Assertions: Drug money and other crime monies are linked. Any cop can explain it to you. Crime at large isn’t a sickness or a social problem or terrorism. It’s a business and linked to open borders. Criminals do business with other criminals and cash is their currency of choice. Take the cash out of the system and you reduce the frequency.
1. Rework the Federal classifications. Putting marijuana in a class with cocaine or heroin made it profitable. Laws the States don’t and won’t enforce are fruitless. Take this money out of the system by decriminalizing pot.
2. Prescription drugs are the most serious problem because their legal manufacture makes it impossible to take them off the streets. This is a tough problem. Is there a solution?
3. Methamphetamine is a plague. Restricted access to ingredients dents this so the drugstore acts help. Unfortunately, open borders made it profitable to move the manufacturing out of country and the small size makes it easy to smuggle. It follows the marijuana pipelines. Most dealers are small dealers. Divide and conquer.
4. Legalization of cocaine and heroin is nuts. Interdiction is helping. Keep up the pressure.
5. Prosecute the crimes. Treat the addicts. Then watch them. A positive drug bust means rights to privacy are gone. Drug testing is cheap and offender management systems can be made interoperable. Use the law and the data smartly.
6. Fund the police to take it to the gangs everyday everywhere and don’t let up. Treat gangs like terrorists.
7. Make police records management systems interoperability a procurement requirement instead of relying solely on NCIC. Rework 28 CFR Part 23 without breaking the Consitution in half.
8. Don’t tell kids to just say no. Search their lockers at school early and often.
9. Bust celebrity users hard who repeat offend. Their status makes them more responsible not less.
10. Finally a question. Sixty years ago the drug problems in this country were manageable. Figure out what changed.

Posted by: len | July 2, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

“John is the man with ethics, morals, and he’s standing by his wife during her time of crisis. He looks good on paper and he’s not a threat.” – Michelle Whitedove
Michelle Whitedove, in my opinion, McCain does not have the ethics, morals, and “standing by his wife” qualities that you ascribe to him. You know very well that McCain cheated with Cindy while he was still married to his first wife and that he married Cindy weeks after dumping his first wife. You know he has called Cindy all sorts of terrible names in public. You know he’s been accused of cheating on Cindy as well. You’ve seen how angry and irrational he gets when he doesn’t get his way. You know that when McCain was still able to, he liked to go get into fights and act like an idiotic hothead. You know that McCain got his start in politics with the backing of Cindy’s father who was convicted of illegal alcohol distribution and got in trouble with the New Mexico Racing Commission for hiding the fact that his equal partner in the Ruidoso Downs horsetrack was a convicted bookie and had mob connections. You know that McCain has flip-flopped on just about every issue important to a Republican. Ethics, morals and standing by his wife? Yeah Right!
You’re as transparent as they come Michelle Whitedove.

Posted by: TruthSquad | July 2, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

Obama — best friend of illegal immigrants.

Posted by: Aston | July 2, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

Continuation of Bush’s faith based initiatives means I’m not voting for BO now. There’s been far too much religious influence in the public sector at the federal level for the past 8 years. I let the Rev. Wright “I didn’t know” thing slide but I’m done now.

Posted by: Bob | July 2, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

can you really trust a guy who joins and abandons the same church for purely political gain?

Posted by: chris | July 2, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

The only thing that Obama stands for is his own personal gain. He has no convictions; no principles. He even stepped on his own “white grandmother” (aka “typical white person”) during his recent and short-lived “conversation on race.” If he views the woman who raised him as being as disposable as his toxic (and racist) preacher, certainly it would be unwise to think he has fealty or conviction to something like a constitutional or economic issue.

Posted by: Nancy | July 2, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

Obama is a fraud. His followers believe his words mean action, but they don’t. They are just words and don’t mean a thing. One good clue… they keep changing. Please start thinking with your head and not your heart.

Posted by: B | July 2, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

Obama will say anything and do anything to get elected. He must be shifting to the right because he is not confident about winning Hillary supporters. So much for his Primary campaign promises.

Posted by: sue | July 3, 2008, 8:13 am 8:13 am

Obama used his church to gain a political base then used supporters on the left for money and to win the nomination…Then he said “See Ya”
Obama knows the AA community and far-left won’t dump him for McCain.
Mr.Hope and Change has become just another dirty politician.

Posted by: riley | July 3, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

“Mr.Hope and Change has become just another dirty politician.”
You are so wrong. Mr.Hope and Change has always been a dirty politician.

Posted by: Ken | July 3, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

That’s one reason he recently never say McCain is Bush’s 3rd term?

Posted by: catleya | July 4, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am

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