Gore To Issue Clean Energy Challenge

He wouldn’t be doing this just because he hold patents on these tecnologies and stands to make another fortune on them, would he… Nah, NEVER. Enviromentalists don’t care about money. That’s why Ted Turner is the largest land owner in America. Because he cares about YOU! Right, Turner and Gore want YOU to pay to upkeep their property (Oops I mean, protected biospheres, sorry!) While you are banned from even visting what YOUR tax dollars are paying to develop for private hands. (Like Mr. Turner, and Mr. Gore) What will it take for people to realize that this is the biggest land grab scam ever thought of? If you really think that Turner and Gore care about your children your future more than teir own property value, then your probably “dumb” enough to buy their movies or read their books. Which is just great for them. The more “Useful Idiots”, the better.

Pity…..better a “useful idiot” than an blogging idiot. S…..I suppose winning the Nobel Prize, the popular election, and two term VP are pretty lame credentials….I’ll take your advice instead.

It really makes one wonder where we would be today if the Supreme Court did not hand over the election to bush in 2000. I happen to believe that we would be much better off today. Let’s all hope that we don’t get a bush third term with mc-more-war. Obama 2008!!!

Al Gore has alot of nerve lecturing anyone about saving this planet with his lifestyle. Wonder what his utilities cost every month. I bet he’s got a springler system too.

linda,
fyi Gore’s home is almost totally self-sufficient.

In 1913 the value of the dollar was exactly that one dollar. Now because they have inflated (printed) more money in the system the value is now $0.04. Back in 1900 a silver dollar was 100% silver and was worth a dollar. Now because the amount of silver in the dollar has been cut in half a current silver dollar is worth less. But if you have an old silver dollar it’s worth has increased to $4.48. The same price as a gallon of gas… Surprised!!! The problem is inflation coming from the federal reserve. Not oil. OPEC is considering taking the dollar peg off of the barrells of oil and going to the EURO. You think that’s from oil supply? NO, it’s because the dollar and the US treasury bills (our debt) that we force other countries that trade with us to buy are worthless. So they are working towards taking the dollar off their board. (What was the last thing Hussein did before we invaded… You guessed it take his oil and put it in Euros, instead of dollars, BIG MISTAKE!!!)Because like the Wiemar Republic, it aint worth the paper that it’s printed on. Scientific reports? You mean the computer models that can’t even replicate the warming on Mars, Venus, Neptune, Pluto? What is causing the warming on other planets if it isn’t humans. Do aliens have cars? I think not. The reasons for “warming” are that when you have events like solar flares and sunspots, that energy is released and distributed throughout the solar system. (Hence the matching readings from other planets) Another factor is that since we can only measure 30% of global temperature (70% water, no readings, none) And most of those stations that record those readings are in cities encased in “concret jungles” that reflect heat, instead of absorb it like in soil. Your going to have at leat a 2 degree instance of warming in the cities, than the rural areas (DUH!) So there is your 2% temperature rise! And as for computer models, they don’t even match the satelite data from NASA that account for the things I mentioned earlier. Humans can account for only 2% of warming. Other factors include El Nino, La Nina, solar winds, sunspots, and even the ice caps. So what’s accounting for the other 98%, perhaps the same thing that does it for the entire solar system, namely the SUN!!! It’s easy to hurl insults instead of back up your assertions with data, but please don’t insult the intelligence of those who can do a little research and can actually use facts to back up what they say. (And by the way the next biggest factor in “deadly” CO2 is clouds (other wise known as water vapor) that absorb the heat… so what do you wanna do about that, do we get to ban clouds now. But wait that will increase skin cancer oh well, at least the “envroment will be safe for whoever is allowed to remain here.

Watch “Global warming or Global governance, or the “Great Global Warming Swindle”, or “the Greenhouse conspiracy” there are usually TWO sides to every arguement… Unless of corse it’s “Global warming/cooling/dimming, or watever new spin on and old dog is next week. (The latest reports (this is true folks, you can’t make this up) “Global warming causes Kidney stones!” Even my girlfriend who is a doctor had to stop and say, THAT was offically CRAZY!!) Do you folks really wanna get in bed with that kinda company, I for one sure don’t! I think just because the tin foil hatters have a college degree in anything other than science, doesn’t make them authorities on such topics. But hey, that’s just me.

Notice that Pres. Bush did not say that “Climate Change” caused by human kind was a myth when he was at the G-8 summit. It was when he was on his own soil that he said that it would be economicly difficult, and left it to another president.
The EPA, head of NASA, former Vice President, former Presidents, G-8 leaders……….all wrong? Just wacos?
We use to rely on Horse and buggys to get around, candles to provide light, and the post office to send mail. New and better technologies take the place of old ones. Even the Old Testiment was replaced………….

If anyone makes big dollars with technologies that will make the air and water clean for my daughter and future generations, God bless them.

pt
How is Gore’s home energy self-sufficient? I thought that myth was busted years ago and that he was offsetting his carbon usage by planting trees which, of course, release all carbon they’ve ever captured when they die and decompose.

jock59801
That’s a crock and you know it. Maybe you should put some money where your mouth is and name a few eminent people who have expertise in Climatology and Meteorology to back up the wild assertion that Gore has been proved right.

S
I never said “Gore has been proved right.” Gore is not a scientist. I don’t care what he says and I have never seen his movie.
The “peer reviewed paper” referred to by “debunked” was in fact part of an invited debate in the Society NEWSLETTER. There is an ongoing debate on exactly how sensitive global temperatures will be to CO2 increases, and this newsletter printed 2 invited articles from either side of the issue.
No one has “proved” anything more than we knew last week.

Unbelievably stupid comments by some right wing nuts on this site. I just stopped by to see who was on and it just confirms my feeling that the Republican slime machine has dumbed down their own ditto heads. Wake up folks – the argument is over and both candidates have proposed cap and trade – we are going to move forward in spite of you cowardly rednecks.

My brother is a consulting engineer working internationally building coal fired power plants. He reminds me often of how the rest of the world is so discusted with how dumb Americans are and how destructive Bush has been. He was a republican until the dim wits took over his party. I think science illiteracy in this country is so appalling and it is very evident on this site. Ever heard of the Keeling curve? Duh, what is that? Disgusting.

jock: If you follow Algore at all then you must think that we will all be under water in 10-20 years or so. That’s paranoid. You better start building that ark. I believe that my greatgreat great grandchildren will enjoy the same earth as I have. There might be more imorality but the earth will still be the same as it was 500 years ago.

Cap and trade: Handing out fines to the US and Europe while not regulating the developing third world. That’s progress. Forcing the present developing countries to deindustrialize, while paying for the third world to industrialze with NO envromential, health or labor restrictions, THAT’S progress! Your NOT enviromentalists at all, your communists! Just be up front, please! Allowing countries to bribe each other with “carbon offset” payoffs, does NOTHING for the envroment! It just subsidizes pollution from one set of countries on the backs of another. THAT’s “progress.” NO, that is communism. And it has or will do NOTHING to stop the actual pollution in the form of things that are actually toxic, instead of carbon dioxide which is necessary for plant GROWTH! Wow, more pollution with decreasing level of food to be replaced with genetically modifed foods, for the developing countries. If THAT is the kind of “compassion” you have for the citizens of the world, let alone the planet. I beg you, I implore you … to PLEASE keep it to or amongst yourselves. Remember population control begins at home! Get sterilized, euthanize, plant a tree and kill yourself. For it’s the self appointed experts who deserve to enjoy our lovely planet, you mere human are a disease that must be culled. No thanks, my rights don’t come from you, and NEVER will!

Carter laid out a plan to make us energy independent, which was promptly trashed by Reagan. Reagan even had the solar panels removed that had been installed by Carter.
From the responses on this board Republicans still look down on alternative energy… another reason to vote for the Democratic candidate. He includes the alternatives as part of his energy plan, even nuclear, unlike McCain who only wants to encourage energy that rewards big business. Individual citizens should be encouraged to become more energy independent.

Hey – don’t forget about Gore’s greatest accomplishment. He did invent the Internet. Didn’t he?

Whether or not global warming exists or not is irrelevant.
What is clear is that people have become over-dependant on fossil fuels.
Steps to move towards cleaner energy sources help to decrease that level of dependence. If they help the environment as well, that’s a plus.
If global warming is beyond our control, since humans are not actually the major cause of global warming, then oh well, we’ll either live or die on how the earth develops.

Robin, rest up. Sounds like you have a lot more recovering to do. Easy on the “Al Gore feel-good pills” too.

Ted Turner and Gore?… A “nitwit” without credentials? Man, you people are hilarious. Are you just programmed to react insanely to a Democrat no matter what, or does the idea of a clean environment really scare you that much?

I am new to this and thought it might prove edifying but reading this last post by Wedge is so idiotic that I’m out of here. I am experimenting with different sites. It looks like this ABC site is full of right wingnuts of minimal intelligence. Goodbye and good riddence.

At Dave:
When you say “going green” do you mean using more alternative energy sources as opposed to oil?
If so, would this not strengthen our military and economic power by reducing our dependence on foreign energy?
It is true that while we undergo change we would be at a more weakened state but the damage from continued dependence on foreign energy could arguably be more harmful in the long-run than the short-term weaknesses.

Let Al Gore make the change to clean energies on his own home first…Then he can tell the rest of us how good it is.

@ Mike:
Do you feel that a shift to cleaner energy sources would be a bad idea or not worth it?

I find it hard to believe there are so many Gore haters in here. You fools better get on board and figure out how to quit making so many enemies. Your opinions smell worse than the rear end on my hothod.
The only thing I can really do is buy my E5 until it becomes E85 or biodiesel, buy organic, buy American green power until my dollar votes create the markets I think are best for EVERYONE. In the meantime, you can send YOUR little republican brat oil thirsty kids to Iraq. So sick of you idiots. Go build a hybrid you a**holes.
http://www.regtech.com/Radmax_Technology/Prototype_Engine/

Is this the same Al Gore whose house uses 20 times the electricity as the average home?

most of the electricity for his house is from green sources…

@ Wedge
I’m not quite sure I follow you.
Firstly, my question was directed at Mike because he seemed to be dismissing the value of Cleaner Energy simply because of Gore’s house. I was presenting a rhetorical question highlighting that the concept of Clean Energy as having good value.
Secondly, I apologize, but I was unable to follow your “draw the line” statements and ask if you could please clarify my interpretation of your post.
I interpreted you to say that any tax on a carbon-emitting energy source is unjustified. Would these taxes not encourage people to use alternate cleaner sources to some extent?
It seemed you were for the immediate drilling of oil now. Since oil is a limited resource and the exploration for new oil sources in America (I assume this is what you refer to) also takes time and would not alleviate us of current problems. How would this help us in the long-run since oil is a limited, nonrenewable resources?
My interpretation of your final comments were that you were against moving towards Cleaner Energy since man is not responsible for global warming. In which case, whether or not man is responsible for global warming, would having Cleaner Energy not help relieve our dependence on a limited resource such as oil and thus greater benefit us in the long run?

Whether you’re against Gore, or his ideas you are pushing against the natural flow of events. This change will happen, whether its now or later.
A lot of these anti-environmentalists remind me of the same people who years ago shouted hateful slogans against those who wanted to give African Americans the vote. These are the same people who believed women should be nothing more than indentured servant and the same people who cheered when Lincoln was shot.
Years from now, when we have come to our senses and started saving this earth, you will probably claim you were part of the movement, not part of the problem.
Whether global warming exists or not (kind of like asking whether or not apples exist) what exactly is your problem with cleaning up our environment? Why do you want to make the extremely rich even richer? Who benefits? Are you so selfish that you cannot make a few changes?
We should consider this WWIII. Our greatest generation came together, sacrificed things to destroy the Nazis. Why, so we could worry about how big a car we drive or how fancy the garbage we own is? Wake up and fight. Fight or be another person in history ignorant to the inevitable.

Person
What’s the matter with you, can’t you read my mind??
Just kidding! I re-read my post and it is full of typos, sorry for that. Busy and distracted.
I know you addressed your question to Mike. I first read your question and thought “what a ridiculous question to be asking”, when that is what we all want. Just at what expense?
As a side note… what if (big what if for now), but what if oil IS renewable? Follow me on this.
There are a bunch of scientists that think they are proving that it is made and re-made within the earth. Not just from “fossils” but by the process in which our plates are ground against the mantle and melted.
There is websites about it and just recently is not the first time I had heard about this idea.

speak : not according to the Tennessee Valley electric

First off, Al Gore is a joke. Global warming if it is happening is not caused by man. That being said, we do need to pursue alternative energy sources. Geothermal is viable now, solar and wind probably economically viable soon. With only the initial cost of installation, the prospect of free energy is appealing. The electric car will start appearing on roadways soon. While I applaud their cleanliness and economy, I am concerned about all those batteries in dumps someday. Since we need to bridge the gap until a sizable number of electric cars make a dent in the 250 million registered cars in this country, we need to drill in ANWR and other locations so that we can wean ourselves off foreign oil. We will never rid ourselves of fossil fuels, but I don’t like financing terrorists and I’d prefer the money stay here. Also during this period we need to pursue nuclear energy much as Europe has done. As we switch over to more electrical usage, we need a more modern and safer way to provide it. By the way, in regards to safety nuclear is far safer than coal mining. If you haven’t noticed, the nuclear industry has come a long way since Chernobyl. If you’re worried about waste, Yucca mountain should be completed in 2017.
P.S. Please stop yelling at each other.

Bill, in old England, when the king made a decision to go to war in a certain country, the king was always the first to venture into that country.
Nowadays, in OUR country, whenever there is a war the leaders stay home and send the marines in first which is probably not a very good example.
And yes, I DO believe that Al Gore should set an example. If he wants to point the accusing finger at the rest of us, he should be the first to use alternative fuels.
And, by the way, “society” means US. It means you and me. When he points the accusing finger at “society” he means the people, which means YOU too. Well, I’m not crawling on my hands and knees to this hypocrite.