Jul 27, 2008 9:11am

McCain Reverses Himself on Affirmative Action

ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Kevin Kilbane Report: During a "This Week" interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos John McCain reversed himself on affirmative action and endorsed for the first time a proposed state ballot measure which would end race and gender-based affirmative action in his home state of Arizona.

"I support it," McCain declared when asked about the referendum. "I do not believe in quotas… I have not seen the details of some of these proposals. But I’ve always opposed quotas."

McCain has long opposed quotas but his new support for ending affirmative action programs which stop short of quotas puts him at odds not only with Democratic rival Barack Obama but also with the Arizona senator’s own views in 1998.

Back then, when the legislature in McCain’s home state of Arizona considered sending the voters a measure to end affirmative action, McCain spoke out against it calling it "divisive."

McCain’s campaign does not dispute that the Arizona senator spoke out against the 1998 effort to end affirmative action in his home state.

When asked about the apparent change in position, a McCain spokesman was not able to distinguish the two measures.

"I do not have a firm enough grasp on the historical and relevant context of McCain’s remark in 1998 to give you the pushback that this question deserves," McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds told ABC News.

McCain’s critics on the left charge that he has changed his position on affirmative action in order to shore up his support among conservatives.

"This is clearly an election-year flip flop and a pander to a skeptical right-wing base," said John Kraus, spokesman for the liberal Ballot Initiative Strategy Center. "He has put politics first on this issue. There is no other way around it."

Prior to reversing his affirmative action stance during his interview with Stephanopoulos, the ballot measure’s proponent urged McCain to take a position in support of the referendum.

Ward Connerly, the affirmative action foe behind the Arizona and other state measures in Nebraska and Colorado, told ABC News last month that McCain was missing an opportunity to draw a sharp contrast with Obama.

On Sunday, at a gathering of journalists of color in Chicago,  Obama expressed disappointment that McCain has changed his position of affirmative action.  "I think in the past he had been opposed to these kinds of Ward Connerly referenda or initiatives as divisive. And I think he’s right. You know, the truth of the matter is, these are not designed to solve a big problem, but they’re all too often designed to drive a wedge between people, " Obama said to a question asked from an audience of journalists.

The presumptive Democratic nominee has spoken in favor of developing income-based affirmative action programs. But he also supports maintaining race-based affirmative action programs and has come out against the proposed Arizona ballot measure ending affirmative action. He has also come out against an identical measure which has qualified for the ballot in Colorado as well as one that has been proposed in Nebraska.

McCain’s critics plan to argue that his new opposition to affirmative action would not only be a setback to racial minorities but also to women.

"Many of the equal opportunity programs he now supports banning," said Kraus, "are geared towards women: like recruiting more young women to go into engineering programs or making sure women owned businesses get a fair shake with government contracts. That gender part of this is often lost in much of the debate and coverage."

The proposed Arizona ballot measure endorsed by McCain reads: "The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin, in the operation of public employment, public education or public contracting."

Here is McCain’s exchange with Stephanopoulos:

STEPHANOPOULOS: "Opponents of affirmative action are trying to get a referendum on the ballot here that would do away with affirmative action. Do you support that?"

MCCAIN: "Yes, I do. I do not believe in quotas. But I have not seen the details of some of the proposals. But I’ve always opposed quotas."

STEPHANOPOULOS: "But the one here in Arizona you support?"

McCAIN: "I support it, yes."

ABC’s Sunlen Miller contributed to this report.

User Comments

what else is new. republicans call it correction of views, just another way to cover up his flip flops.

Posted by: gary of carroll | July 27, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am

He is now apealing to the racist wing of the republican party, otherwise known as the republican party as a whole. Wait for hispanics McSame!!!

Posted by: carl29 | July 27, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am

What else is new? Each day he reverses himself n another issue. This positions/policies are a moving target.

Posted by: mary | July 27, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am

Republicans are desperate and will do and say anything to get elected. The last eight years has proved they will say whatever they want one day and then create phony pre-texts to wage war and jack up energy prices as a distraction for their flip-flopping. By the way, who let McSame wander out alone from the old-age home anyway? Trust no one over 46!

Posted by: rasterfreeart | July 27, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

This flip flop is entirely calculated to promote a wedge issue and spark racial tensions for political gain. I did respect this man at one point but McCain really is scum.

Posted by: Jeremy | July 27, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

How can anyone say that ending affirmative action is “racist”? Affirmative action is, by its very nature, racist. Ending it is not racist. Typical of leftists to get all turned around and upside down.
Good for McCain. I’m starting to feel better about him.

Posted by: beth | July 27, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

Thank goodness one of the candidates is finally smart on this issue. Affirmative action is reverse discrimination and shouldn’t be allowed in this country. I highly doubt that a clause like that would get rid of recruitment programs that encourage women to go into engineering. That’s something that should and in many places IS taken care of by the private sector – companies, professional associations, etc. – and that’s the way it should be. Gender balance, racial balance…that’s not something that the government should oversee. As far as the goverment contracts, can’t you file claims on discrimination issues to begin with because it’s already illegal to discriminate against women and minorities? If someone has a problem with their treatment, stand up for yourself…the government doesn’t have to fight for you and hold your hand. This is one flip-flop I’m not going to argue with.

Posted by: Samantha | July 27, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

What a shame this is. This is very divisive stuff from John McCain. Mr McCain will rather divide the country racially and gender in order to win an election. BIG SHAME ON HIM

Posted by: Rolland | July 27, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

I have a question….
Why is Affirmative Action always associated with the blacks? It was put in place for women, the elderly, hispanics, the disabled and ANY other group that had to face a lot of crap.
But NOBODY wants to talk about that !!!!!

Posted by: Order | July 27, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

“Reverses” aka FLIP-FLOP. I knew this was coming soon. I knew McCain was a hypocrite when he attended the 40th Anniversary of Dr. Martin Luther King’s Assassination in Memphis TN.
In 1983, McCain voted against a motion to suspend the rules and pass a bill to designate the third Monday of every January as a federal holiday in honor of the late civil rights leader, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
McCain Consistently Voted Against The Civil Rights Act. In 1990, McCain voted against a bill designed to address employer discrimination at least 4 times. According to the Washington Post, the “Civil Rights Act of 1990 is designed to overturn several recent Supreme Court rulings that made it much more difficult for individual employees to prove discrimination.
McCain Repeatedly Voted Against Raising The Minimum Wage. In the senate, John McCain voted at least eight times against measure to increase the minimum wage.

Posted by: Dave Burns | July 27, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am

McCain changes positions faster than most people change clothes, next he’ll be against keeping out troops in Iraq longer than 16 months. Oh no he’ll be for keeping the troops longer than 16 months. Or was that a Coors light he asked for, not a Bud Light.

Posted by: M H | July 27, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

For those of you saying Affirmative Action is reverse discrimination, you do realize that white women have benefited the most. Google it. You’ll be surprised!

Posted by: try the truth | July 27, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

McCain’s daily reversals are mind boggling to say the least. Even if a voter is in sympathy with one of McCain’s revised positions, it would have to leave that voter questioning his sincerity. McCain’s track record surpasses even Romney’s blatant, self-serving repositioning on issues. Sorry to say, but McCain is calculating his success on a very negative impression about the voters of this country. His switches may recruit a few more supporters, but in the end the majority of the public will reject this strategy.

Posted by: Butch Dillon | July 27, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

beth – lots of people say that ending affirmitive action is racist. In fact, I’m saying it right now. Because it’s true.

Posted by: Albert R. | July 27, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Bobie K – wrong. Afirmitive action is meant to correct historic racial inequalities. It is race-based, yes, but not racist. That’s an important distinction that many racist demagouges like to gloss over. It’s a shame that McCain’s campaign has gotten so desperate that he needs to pander to racists with this latest flip flop. It makes me wonder if this once-honorable man has any principles left. Very sad.

Posted by: katerina pavlakis | July 27, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am

A position in favor of affirmative actions was perhaps appropriate 10 years ago. Today, affirmative action is no longer required. McCain may have updated his views, and I applaud him for that. Of course, the whiney liddle libs will call this “flip flopping” and clamp down on it once again in hopes of derailing the McCain Train. All I’ll say about that is, “Get off the tacks…you got a big surprise comin’ at you in November”

Posted by: NCPilot704 | July 27, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

Definition of “Affirmative Action”:
An attempt to prove that two wrongs DO make a right.

Posted by: Rhys | July 27, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

McCain flipflops again. Pathetic.

Posted by: Malinche | July 27, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

Young, white women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action.
Women, NOW do you see who represenet YOUR best interests? It isn’t John McSame!

Posted by: Will | July 27, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

I am a lifelong Democrat, but I have always opposed Affirmative Action because, at its core, it is morally wrong. This referendum bans both preferential treatment AND discrimination. I used to be a knee-jerk liberal and then I grew up. Please explain with intelligent thought why one man with better qualifications should be denied a job to a man with lesser qualifications simply because the lesser man is black. THAT, is discrimination, plain and simple.

Posted by: PhillyPaul | July 27, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am

FLIP,FLOP,FLIP FLOP!!!!WHATEVER IT TAKES TO PANDER AND GET ELECTED!! THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT THE PARTY FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.NEVER HAS BEEN, NEVER WILL!!
OBAMA 2008

Posted by: Len | July 27, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

katerina, I understand what you posted; however, I believe your viewpoint is wrong. Affirmative action is indeed racist, and unnecessary. ALL Americans are protected by the same constitution. No quota system in the world will make up for historical racial inequities or inequalities. That is a romantic and noble notion, but it is also outdated. For instance, why is it “right” to deny a more qualified person of one race a certain positon just to be able to meet a mandate that the position be held open for a person of another race? How does that make restitution for racial inequalities of the past? Few, if any, white people today have ever owned a slave. Few, if any, black people today have ever been slaves. If there is a systematic exclusion of one race from holding well paying jobs, then that travisty needs to play out in the courts. And the liberal courts of today will indeed make the perpetuators of such discrimination pay dearly. There are laws on the books today that protects minorities from discrimination. Use those laws, and use the courts to uphold them. Because those laws apply to ALL of us…not just a chosen few.

Posted by: ncpilot704 | July 27, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

If you really want to promote discrimination tell a person that is not protected that they lost a bid/job solely based on the color of their skin. I always thought that the purpose of the U.S. was to promote equality among all, that no person was better or worse for who they are. Shouldn’t the laws be written that the best person gets the job based on the merits of their work? Equality is the only thing that will ever get rid of prejudice.
Here is a nice kicker; publicly funded hospitals also use affirmative action to hire doctors. Sorry but that is one position that should always go to the most qualified.

Posted by: Nevada Pundit | July 27, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

same old same old.
He is just getting worse and worse.
Indies are going to flee…tax flips coming… 180 degree flips on almost every single issue just to win the Presidency…
very sad.
Someone needs to start calling this guy Romney.
these aren’t adgustments to the center…or a slight derivation on what he said …
or slightly changing his mind on and issue
thsi is a guy whose values have suddenly are trumped by his own need to fulfill his military father’s dream (sound familiar for his C-/D+ son
to become President.
It’s 2000 and 2004 all over again.
ugh.

Posted by: dl | July 27, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

It’s the politics of this that are deplorable. McCain only decided to flip flop on this issue after he realized he could create a divisive wedge. McCain’s decision has nothing with the realities of affirmative action, it is purely political.

Posted by: Jeremy | July 27, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

McCain is old and out of step. Women will rise!!!
Women will no longer take second place to men. Thank you, Hillary for cracking the glass ceiling and now it’s Obama turn to break it for all of us, once and for ALL!

Posted by: SUSAN | July 27, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

this guy really wants to throw women out of the voting booth.

Posted by: dl | July 27, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

McCain is scared. Now he plays the affirmative-action card. In Sep., it’ll be gay marriage. In Oct., it’ll be prayer in schools.
The Gas and Oil party (GOP) is up to its same old tricks again. I’m just glad today’s electorate can see right through the b.s.

Posted by: Will | July 27, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am

Don’t count on it Will. I realy hope you’re right but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

Posted by: dk | July 27, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Affirmative action is not racist. It is designed to help plenty of minorities, like women, hispanics, and any other groups of people that face discrimination. Its not just solely designed for black people. White women have benefited the most from Affirmative action. You People really need to get informed. Ignorance is bliss.

Posted by: Helena | July 27, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

ncpilot – I disagree. Workplace inequality still exists – therefore I don’t think affirmative action is outdated. Also, I think your perceptions of it are skewed – it’s not about denying more qualified people jobs, it’s about allowing equally qualified people the opportunity to compete that they might not otherwise have. Alot of racists make this claim as an excuse to save face because they lost a job to a minority; but it’s largely an urban legend that “more qualified” whites or men have lost jobs to “less qualified” minorities or women. That’s not how Affirmitive Action works. It’s basically an urban legend perpetuated by racists.

Posted by: katerina pavlakis | July 27, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

The people who are defending GW and McBush are people that will never vote for someone who does not look or think like them. Don’t waste your time trying to convince them..CHANGE will riegn in January. Instead concentrate on the undecided voters. The stupid and the racist are not the change we can believe in that Obama campaigns for anyway. Sore losers!!

Posted by: dmac1 | July 27, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

If the US populace thinks our enemies will think differently of us just because we would have a black democrat who has a more “cooperative” foreign policy in the White House, we have another thing coming.
Obama in 08…Osama in 09

Posted by: John | July 27, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Never underestimate McCain. He has come back against all odds…repeatedly.

Posted by: John | July 27, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

McCain doe not know that the economic playing field is NOT yet leveled. This woman will surely for someone that understands that and his name is not John McCain. Democrates relate to the average women and their issue much better. Wake up Republicans, maybe that’s why this political party stays so exclusive and can NOT achieve diversity.

Posted by: Carroll | July 27, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

He claims that he will not change his position to win the election. But as McCain gets battered by Barack he continues to Flip-Flop(which was one of his favorite attacks on Obama a few weeks ago), to win votes. McCain will make the choice obvious by November. And the only people that will vote for him will be extreme religious conservatives.

Posted by: Alex | July 27, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

About that “disdain for women” comment…
Would you rather hire a man who does the job better or hire a woman who doesn’t know what she’s doing just to maintain a quota?
How about if people actually DESERVE the job they’re getting, instead of getting a free ride based on race or gender? I’m a woman and I’d be ashamed to take a job that I was hired for to fulfill a quota…instead of based on my ability.
More entitlement mentality from the left.
BTW I don’t plan on voting for McCain or Obama. They’re both worthless.

Posted by: Alexandra | July 27, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

John – nobody thinks that. What we do think is that Obama will run a smarter foreign policy than a hotheaded warlover like McSame.

Posted by: carolyn K. | July 27, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Alexandra, ask the republicans. They voted the worst person in the history of this country into office twice….my bad…helped select a president into office twice I should have said.

Posted by: dmac1 | July 27, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

I must hire 10 white males, 10 women, and 10 African Americans to meet the quota .. instead of the 30 most qualified! Insane!

Posted by: JG | July 27, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

IT IS TIME FOR THE AMERICANS PEOPLES TO SHOW TO THEMSELF THAT IT THEYS WHO DICIDED IN WHAT IS GOOD FOR THEM AS OF AULD.GOD BLESS aMERICA.

Posted by: Ronald Roy | July 27, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am

Beat the system – just like NFL owners do .. hire your man behind the scenes and then interview whomever to meet the quota b.s.

Posted by: MJ | July 27, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

To “Will” – Again I ask, why is it so hard for “followers” of Sen. Barack Obama to accept that there are Democrats that do not support him as President or support Affirmative Action? Because they would have to admit that AA is, essentially, biased and unfair.

Posted by: PhillyPaul | July 27, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

PhillyPaul – you got it backwards, dude. AA is not “biased and unfair” – it’s meant to correct bias and unfairness in hiring practices. And despite the silly lies, it works!

Posted by: rigoletto | July 27, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

Affirmative action falls into the the category of a necessary evil. Unfortunately the scale of equal opportunity needs to be heavily weighted on one side just so that the thing is balanced in some instances. People seem to forget that this country has an absolutely horrendous history of race and gender relations. It’s our national shame. Ending affirmative action is a tremendous step backwards to past we’d all like to forget.

Posted by: JimmyTmac | July 27, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

Well let me throw some of you’ll an life line. Because I think alot of you’ll haven’t did the research on Affirmative Action. Because if you’ll did you would understand that Affirmative Action isn’t just for Blacks. It was for all including white women. The ones that talking about Affirmative Action don’t know the meaning and understand about the program. I see women talking about Affirmative Action if they knew what the program was about and for what, I think you’ll would look stupit.

Posted by: Big AL | July 27, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

It all depends on how you look at it MJ. One person’s terrorism is another person’s patriotism. Your perspective depends upon the entitlements for which one has been preconditioned.

Posted by: dmac1 | July 27, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Yeh Knickerbocker – I need to government to tell ME who should be hired by MY company! I’ll even throw out a little ROFL to that myself!

Posted by: KJ | July 27, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

JimmyTmac – very well said!

Posted by: mad mike | July 27, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

PhillyPaul: Two men apply for a job. The better one gets it. Looks like it’s Obama! Thanks for your support.

Posted by: ericmiami | July 27, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

“”"McCain is old and out of step. Women will rise!!!
Women will no longer take second place to men. Thank you, Hillary for cracking the glass ceiling and now it’s Obama turn to break it for all of us, once and for ALL!”"”
___________________________________
Uh, not real sure that it was Hill who broke the glass ceiling.
Are you aware the ’60′s are ove? Time to move on and along.

Posted by: Kate | July 27, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

Affirmative Action is the lesser-qualified-man’s way of feeling up to par.

Posted by: jm77 | July 27, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Lobbyist reports show $181,000 for McCain…
Registered lobbyists have donated large amounts of money to Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign, even as he denounces their profession.

Posted by: Dave Burns | July 27, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

I have thought about the Jesse Jackson comments caught on tape and have concluded what he is upset about is his belief that Obama is playing the black voters. I watched some of his comments when Clintons were being accused of racism and his disagreement with what was being accused. I have been very disappointed in this election with the racism and sexism has been used and I believe intentionally by the media and as well by the Obama campaign. I think the Obama campaign knows exactly what they are doing.

Posted by: lois | July 27, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

Coming from a family that includes various ethnicities, I am against affirmative action. It does nothing but promote inequality.

Posted by: b | July 27, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

lois – I disagree. You can blame the media all you want for injecting race and sexism into this campaign, but not team Obama. The Obama campaign does not want to make this election about race. Why? Because it’s a losing strategy. I think Obama wants to call as less attention to his skin color has humanly possible. Obviously you can be black and run for president, but you can’t run for president as a black candidate.

Posted by: JimmyTmac | July 27, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

I hope Black People do not fall for McInSane’s latest lies… Remember the MLK holiday, etc…

Posted by: Janice | July 27, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

OH Lord, I think this is going to start getting ugly.

Posted by: Order | July 27, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

When schools in this country provide a stellar education to ALL students, despite their family’s finances, when there is no longer an achievement gap, then affirmative action can be done away with.

Posted by: Nikole | July 27, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

If nothing else Mccain’s stance on this issue should be another reason to unite the democrats. If Mccain is trying to win over women he has a funny way of showing it. Its obvious he realizes he will never get the african american vote this go round, so he is stirring the pot to try and get the racist, biggot vote. Sadly to say there is some still out there, but hopefully the majority of Americans will see through this evil mans attempts and send the republicans packing in the fall.

Posted by: Robert John Kellogg | July 27, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

John McCain is a zombie. He will now do whatever Cheney tells him to do. Protect your brains.

Posted by: Thomas Mc | July 27, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Once again it is plain to see that in our “two” party system voters are allowed to vote for ‘A’ or ‘A’. We really do not have any real choices since both candidates have been hand picked by the economic ruling class because they fit the mold.
flip-flop flip-flop – thy are only words spoken by pawns and signifying no real choices for the voters.

Posted by: geneonlbk | July 27, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

God Bless you “MadMike”. I really am a Democrat. The fact that you dont believe me says more about you than it does me. Why do you care anyway? Does everyone have to think like you and like you? I LOVE this debate! I’d just love it more if the posters that are mindlessly and falsely attacking me and calling me innane names like “Troll” actually had anything substantial to contribute. I LOVE debate in America. Its so AMERICAN. But name calling and falsely labeling people is sort of Nazi-like.

Posted by: PhillyPaul | July 27, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

This is one of over 60 documented, confirmed flip=flops by McCain. It is clear now why his new name is JukeBox John.

Posted by: Frank | July 27, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

I’m a Republican and I will do and say whatever it takes to get re-elected so I can continue to ship American jobs overseas to low-wage, dictatorships so that my corporate welfare masters can have more money to stuff away in offshore bank accounts and avoid paying taxes – because that’s the AMERICAN way!

Posted by: McBush | July 27, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

I was just watching George S. show this morning and it was very painful watching McCain. What a clown.. The people of America do nt want this old nut representing our country.. What an embarrassment.. None of the world leaders like him and his McBush ways.. But the media is in on the cover-up to make this old fool look important but the only thing is He (McCain)is blowing it.. The second half of the show was even worse.. George S. and his guests were horrible.. And this is what we have presented to us daily as news.. They entire panel should be ashame of themselves.. It was like watching a K.K.K. meeting.. The bigger questions is, Why does the media hate Obama ?? Is it because he looks black.. I sure hope that no one tampers with the vote via the Electorial College… The REPUBS in charge can not be trusted..

Posted by: HATTIE/CHICAGO | July 27, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Mahalo [thanks!]” V for Vendetta” – few posters have bothered to come to my defense but you did. BTW, your posting name was an awesome movie. Enjoy your Sunday. Im watching Barack on Meet the Press. I agree with him on some issues, and disagree with him on others. I think he could be a good President. In approx. 12 years. McCain 2008!

Posted by: PhillyPaul | July 27, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

I honestly don’t think McCain knows what he supports or doesn’t support any longer. It gets harder by the week to keep up with which way he swings. By the way, did everyone catch the arrest of the retired Methodist preacher who was protesting at the Republican fund raiser by Karl Rove in Des Moines Friday? First a librarian, and now a retired preacher, who’s free speech right’s are going to be silenced next?

Posted by: devilkev | July 27, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

“ConTwister” – Um, it is called a “Typo”. I admit to my mistakes in grammar and spelling. Why dont you?

Posted by: PhillyPaul | July 27, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

JD, I see you don’t understand the mean behind quotas. You are talking about qualified. I see over and over time and time again. The first thing that comes out of some whites mouth when they don’t get a job and a black or a woman get that job it’s has to be Affirmative Action. Why can’t it be that they are more qualified then that white person are. I think a bunch of you’ll really think that blacks can’t be as smart as white person are. The only reason why this issue is in play now is because some of you’ll just can’t believe that blacks and anyone that not white isn’t smart… But you are willing to put someone in charge that grad in the bottom 1% of his class. That is what I call a “Dumbie”.

Posted by: Big AL | July 27, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Watching McCain is like watching a blank piece of paper.. It is a shame that the media is helping him.. The same way he pushed Obama to go overseas, the debates that are coming up will be hilarious.. Obama’s gonna squash this creepy old man like a bug..Obama is BRILIANT.. Hopefully the rest of America will get on board soon. I would be so embarrased to have McGOAT representing America..

Posted by: HATTIE/CHICAGO | July 27, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

I’m an African American Democrat, but I am opposed to Affirmative action for a number of reasons. I agree with its intent to level the playing field, but I have to look realistically at its effect. I think to the greatest extent it does not aid the minority that it is supposedly the beneficiary. I use the word beneficiary for a lack of a better word because leveling the playing field and providing equal opportunity should be a right and not a benefit. The problem with AA is that as a minority it does not matter what your credentials are ;within too many hearts there still lies bias. I don’t think you can legislate bias away. The heart has to stop beating or the mind has to be changed. Having said that, I do not see where it has harmed the majority despite hearing cries from folks that their jobs are being taken by “supposed” AA employees, most of who are probably not. Besides, if we are going to legislate economic and social fairness, then we need to go further and address inequality within the insurance, banking, housing and healthcare industries. It’s simply smoke and mirrors to make an equal salary when it does not harness the same buying power. The presence of legislation really makes no difference unless you voted for or against AA.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

Did he (McCain) go to college ?? THE BIG DUMMY.. So the rebubs have put forth a guy who barley graduated from high school back in the 1930s. And by the way.. Where are those MISING MIliTARY PAPERS.. WHAT A CLOWN !!

Posted by: HATTIE/CHICAGO | July 27, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

Big AL, Sorry, I am not for McCain. And thank you for calling me a clown and fool. And Bill Clinton was caught on tape saying, “You know they played the race card against me”.
JimmyTmac, Obama is a politician and he comes from the Chicago “Way”. Did you ever think that maybe what they say is not what they are doing behind the scenes? David Axelrod is a savvy media consultant. I think when Bill Clinton made that remark off mike he being a politician as well knew exactly what they were doing against him.
They are all politicians.

Posted by: lois | July 27, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

You are all aware that minorities are not the only races discriminated correct?
Every Day i see more and more whites being discriminated against in various areas of the city.
“A program in which it is designed to help minorities get a job”(as one of you said I believe)
is in fact racism,NOT a way to “even things out”

Posted by: faygo313 | July 27, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

ConTwister – Nice, I “MOM” who takes her kids to Sunday School and also makes fun of “Gays”. God help your kids, because you sure are not a good mother. If one of your kids spills his milk, what do you do, slap him?

Posted by: PhillyPaul | July 27, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

I’ve been in the work force for over 40 years. I’ve been a union member and I’ve been a manager. I am amazed at how lily-white the companies I worked for have remained. We need to admit that we are, by nature, tribal. Therefore we need some sort of affirmative action program to assist us in overcoming our natural bias. Unfortunately, the affirmative action programs (and unions), in my experience, protected deadbeats, deadbeats with attitudes. This hurt the company and the people they were designed to serve. It would be great if we could just get off our “for or against” positions and fix the problems and make this thing work.

Posted by: Rolando | July 27, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

Monster Man – you probably think that because you like so many others assume all blacks and democrats are for affirmative action. In your heart and mind, you assume too many things about minorities before you even speak a word to them and before you understand them as an individual. This is exactly why Affirmative Action does not work. There are certain things numbers can not measure and laws can not change. I would rather struggle through invisible adversities and obstacles than to give or allow the likes of you to give, Affirmative Action ANY CREDIT for the successes in my life.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

In 1998 John McCain supported Arizona’s affirmatics action program. In 2008, some 10 years later, he has changed his opinion. Could it be that circumstances have changed since 1998? I mean, Arizona is not the most segregated state. Children of all ethnicity, religion, and race attend Arizona schools, from K through college. Maybe Senator McCain believes there is no longer a need for the state to have such a program in light of the progress that have been made in Arizona. Many critics, I believe, disagree with Senator McCain’s current opinion because it provides them ammo to continually attack the senator and not because they, the critics, favor affirmative action, whether in Arizona, any other state, or at the Federal level. If you believe and support affirmative action programs then don’t complain, protest, file a grivance, etc when you are rejected for a position, scholarship, award, etc because of your gender, race, religion, etc.

Posted by: Percy Brazier | July 27, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Jesus Christ!
What or who came up with the BRILLIANT idea to have him speak in a grocery store in the first place?
He probably hasnt been to a grocery store in decades. It showed, he was out of place.
He must have hired the Laurel and Hardy Marketing Group for extravaganza.
It is really sad to see the antics of the people controling him. It is like they have been hired to make him look stupid.
I smell another conspiracy.

Posted by: David | July 27, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Flip flop McCain at it again.

Posted by: no way mcsame | July 27, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am

affirmative action only splits the races. we donot need it. there are enough laws on the books now to make sure everyone is treated equally if they are equal. i am glad mccain finally woke up and had the courage to change. everything changes in A 30 YEAR RIME SPAN

Posted by: Bud | July 27, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

On one hand, blacks want society to be without color (no discrimination). Noble goal. Yet, they do everything they can to leverage being black. Promoting a quota system is an example. A black student needs an SAT of ‘x’ to be accepted into college. A white student need ‘x’ + 200 to get in. At some point, personal accountability and integrity needs to resurface in our society. Obama proclaims “self reliance” in a recent add. Time to put that into practice! Or, blacks can continue the double speak because it’s profitable. Poor victim me methodolgy.
If affirmative action, as some claim, benefitted white woman the most, then I’d expect to hear no complaints from the black community about ending this ridiculous practice. Everyone, regardless of color, is to be judged by their own merits. That simple. Some winners and some losers. Life. Long story nauseating, maybe blacks need to follow the lead of those like Thomas Sowell. So who is ready to set goals, make sacrifices and achieve instead of expecting big gubment to manage your life for you? Didn’t think so.

Posted by: fedup | July 27, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

Read more about Affirmative Action, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action.
Given that we agree with the objectives of Affirmative Action, can we agree that there will be a point in time that its practice can be considered harmful to its objectives rather than helpful?
If no, then please kindly articulate your views.
If yes, then please kindly provide a roadmap for Affirmative Action to avoid the harm it can bring.
Be cool.

Posted by: McCain | July 27, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

Another reason why affirmative actions does not work. People fault affirmative action for being divisive and are too quick to dismiss the underlying discrimination that it is suppose to counter. I don’t care how many laws you put on the books it doesn’t help. What do you think would happen to my application if I walked in with copies of Affirmative Action law? You think I would get that job? I don’t. I don’t support it, but I am not going to go so far as to concede I do not understand it’s intent.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

Supporters of affirmative action cannot answer the most basic question regarding the policy!
Why is it needed now and how do we know when it will not be needed anymore?
Lacking an answer to the above shows it is not a coherant policy but rather coddification of emotions for specific groups.

Posted by: rosta | July 27, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

In case you haven’t heard, the next president of the USA is doing a live interview on CNN. You don’t want to miss this!!

Posted by: dmac1 | July 27, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

Fedup – I think you misunderstand what the African American community is trying to leverage being Black. We are trying to leverage equality DESPITE being Black. I don’t support AA, but I strongly disagree with your assessment of the so called benefits AA has given Blacks. If you want to use SAT stats as a measure of gain then do so. However, don’t be dismissive or blind to other indicators which suggest otherwise. Why are minorities with Masters and PHDs not being paid equally or in too many cases making the salary of people who have no degree or a B.S.?

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

Well, why does this latest flip-flop not surprise me. McFlipFlopper has been doing this throughout the campaign with issues such as immigration, the Bush Tax Cuts, increasing Social Security Payroll Taxes, the Iraq War, etc. I wonder if he is consciously changing his mind or whether these are the preliminary signs of oncoming senile dementia. Either way, it shows that McSame is not fit to be dog catcher much less President of the United States.

Posted by: caliguy55 | July 27, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

Affirmative action will no longer be needed when racism ends and equlaity for all is granted. When racism ends…..affirmative action will come to a halt. Don’t hold you breath though!

Posted by: dmac1 | July 27, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

Rosta – supporters and non supporters need to ask that SAME question.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

Comon – any takers – how do you measure the need for AA and how do you know when it has done it’s job?
Supporters of affirmative action cannot answer the most basic question regarding the policy!
Why is it needed now and how do we know when it will not be needed anymore?
Lacking an answer to the above shows it is not a coherant policy but rather coddification of emotions for specific groups.

Posted by: rosta | July 27, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

Nice try dmac1
But your response still lacks the methodology. In other words how will you know that “When racism ends…..affirmative action will come to a halt.”
Thus I stick by my previous statement – it is not a coherant policy but rather codification of emotions for specific groups.

Posted by: rosta | July 27, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Rosta, I take it you are an Anglo Saxon republican and has never faced discrimination based upon your race, your gender, or your creed. Do you really want an answer to your question, one that you should already know the answer to, or are you simply asking elitist and condescending question(s). The lack of equality, racial discrimination, and person biases like the one you exhibit are the reasons for affirmative action. When these things are eradicated, you will have the answer to all of your crass questions and AA will be a thing of the past.

Posted by: dmac1 | July 27, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Rosta – the problem with the discussion on Affirmative Action as I see it is that people are not willing to listen to both sides of the argument. That there is no single measure to grasp the level of need is part of the problem not a reason to deny discrimination exists. There are many indicators that collectively suggest the boogie man still exists. No one who is reasonable can deny this.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

dmac1 – Yes I want an answer not some emotional diatribe response.
Just so we are clear on the question I would like an answer regarding:
What methdology is used (or would you use) to verify that AA is needed, is working or has done its job.
Your labeling of me does not do anything but prove my previous point.
Yes I have been discimnated aginst before and citing skin color indicates your willingness to use race for justification purpoises – that seem racist to me.

Posted by: rosta | July 27, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

Rosta, apparently your ability to comprehend is woefully inadequate. Maybe someone else speaks the lanquage you seek…..try one of the other more conservative blogs.

Posted by: dmac1 | July 27, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

Rosta – you seem to be in denial regarding racism and therefore, I can see why it would be difficult, if not impossible, for you to take notice of discriminatory behavior and practices. If the mention of skin color is racist to you, then you should be able to make the leap that the sight of skin color brings about more detrimental reactions and behaviors. When people of any color ask me if I have ever been discriminated against instead of assuming I have, then I think that will be an indicator that equality regardless of color has a foothold on American culture. Affirmative Action has its flaws, but that in no way is a concession that racism and inequalities are prevalent in our society. None at all.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

The consequence of the 2003 Affirmative Action paradigm in Michigan with respect to race is to target and harass the handicapped, those older than faculty, those who are Veterans, and those who practice the 1st Ammendment. Those administrators and faculty who’ve lived within the confines of academia their entire professional career – here, at Michigan (Ann Arbor campus) hide set people with those attributes — up to fail with the hopes of gaining a law suit to perpetuate the myth that they believe in equal opportunity. Just goes to show you — when the Department of Education issues a Right To Sue — such as the Football stadium issue — we’re dealing with the Tip Of The Iceberg. If you think Michigan lost the right to run a democratic primary because of a few Not So Good People — then you’re missing the point of the story. Affirmative action implemented like they do it there — at U of MI — is the worst thing in the world, almost like NAZI concentration camps…..targeting gone amonk by those who have misused their priviledge as officers of the court (ie., lawyers). It comes under Abuse of Power. McCain is right -he’s right to change his mind on THAT KIND of affirmative action and I think he ought to put the state of Michigan under review. I wouldn’t call it “flip flopping”‘ I’d call it knowledge of VERY, VERY BAD implementation. McCain is right.
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Posted by: Apple Pie | July 27, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

The consequence of the 2003 Affirmative Action paradigm in Michigan with respect to race is to target and harass the handicapped, those older than faculty, those who are Veterans, and those who practice the 1st Ammendment. Those administrators and faculty who’ve lived within the confines of academia their entire professional career – here, at Michigan (Ann Arbor campus) hide set people with those attributes — up to fail with the hopes of gaining a law suit to perpetuate the myth that they believe in equal opportunity. Just goes to show you — when the Department of Education issues a Right To Sue — such as the Football stadium issue — we’re dealing with the Tip Of The Iceberg. If you think Michigan lost the right to run a democratic primary because of a few Not So Good People — then you’re missing the point of the story. Affirmative action implemented like they do it there — at U of MI — is the worst thing in the world, almost like NAZI concentration camps…..targeting gone amonk by those who have misused their priviledge as officers of the court (ie., lawyers). It comes under Abuse of Power. McCain is right -he’s right to change his mind on THAT KIND of affirmative action and I think he ought to put the state of Michigan under review. I wouldn’t call it “flip flopping”‘ I’d call it knowledge of VERY, VERY BAD implementation. McCain is right.
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Posted by: Apple Pie | July 27, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Dmac1
Sorry – I didn’t think it was a too tough of question – though I did suspect it is one supporters do not want to answer.
Simply stating you dont have any method to measure the effectiveness of this policy word have been the dignified response than more name calling.
By the way I am a registered Democrat if that really mattered

Posted by: rosta | July 27, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

Oh, no. Without Affirmative Action, how would the phony candi become a nominee?

Posted by: tototu | July 27, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

I’d rather vote for a Presidential candidate who has survived the horrors of a prisoner of war camp and knows the consequences of her or his decisions than someone who’s world wind trip to Europe appears to be the equivalent of cramming for finals. I see McCain as a tempered adult relative to the student cramming for finals before the convention. As for leading by example, Senator McCain’s home state, the State of Arizona was the first in the nation to offer large tax incentives way back in 2000 on fuel efficient cars — While in Michigan, the citizens are suffering the consequences of those WHO STOLE THE ELECTRIC CAR. I am not alone in believing that McCain is the true PEACE TIME President. He’s already, been there — done that — the war thing — (he’s not cramming for finals — on a last minute trip to Europe). We all know that cramming for finals is not the best way to prepare for 8 years in Office.
If you’ve never been a P.O.W. or in a concentration camp — you’re gonna forget your constituency.

Posted by: ONE LEAP FORWARD FOR HUMAN KIND | July 27, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

Dmac1 and geeblane – you still miss the point I am trying to make.
So to you quell your only arguemnt, I concede racism exists.
In fact there appears to be racism not only between between ethnic groups based not just generalized color but also within based on tone and tint skin pigments. Go figure.
I am commenting on policy decisions and how to tell if they are effective.
Do you really want your government keep making policies that have know measuring stick for success?? I Dont !!!!!
If all we are going to do is have government enact poicies, cheer when the bill signed and then go one without monitoring the results, then we have already failed!

Posted by: rosta | July 27, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

I have had an issue with Samantha before. Thank God, she has confessed she is not of African-american origin. I realised that no one will go through what African-americans went and talk the way she did. I understand her sentiments but if she takes time to understand the real African-americans,she will get to understand their sentiments and will become more tolerant. I also want to apologise to Samanthat for my outbursts the other day.

Posted by: eyes like summer sun | July 27, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

I hear him coming now….FLIP-FLOP-FLIP-FLOP…That must be McBUSH coming own the hall.Republicans you all must be really proud, to be the sole owner of this NUT JOB..Hush now I hear a “SURGE” coming…It is getting louder and louer..It will be in November and the Republicans are not going to like it..

Posted by: Repubsout | July 27, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

As for affirmative action, it is not racist. If you look at the program on the surface, you will tend to be bias on it. That program has benefited more women than men and more whites than blacks. The emphasis of my support is on Education. Thats where the greater benefits is for African-americans. A lot of African-americans that want to go to good colleges would not have scaled through if not for affirmative action. Take a school like Harvard, if not for affirmative, it will be thickly and densely populated by whites and the rich children of foreigners from outside America of both white and black origin. I cant blame Obama for affirmative action because he realises he is a product of one. I dont think racism has abated at all. I vividly see cases like that everyday. One day, affirmative action will have to give way but definitely not now.

Posted by: eyes like summer sun | July 27, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

To samantha-you’re probably 1/4 black and the rest-l don’t know.at least, obama got this far not through AA but because he does not loathe his black side like you do. why do you have to work for a black company when you don’t like them-self-haters like you never go far in life-God help you l wonder how you sleep with so much hatred of your own people!!and by the way whites may be better than you-fine but they are not superior to the black race-so quit whining about they thinking you got into ivy school because of your skin color you’re living to fulfil their expectations-PATHETIC-carribeans-africans are not lazy and overachieve sometimes than their other black counterparts-so quit using the term black to generalize a race-black-ameri are also not lazy-you need help

Posted by: sunshine | July 27, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Here are some points from Barack Obama on the topic of Affirmative Action taken from his book “the audacity of hope” from pages 244-247. It’s very interesting his broad view about this issue. Very objective. I hope that some here decide for themselves to do some research about this important topic…
Obama says
“…This should be a source of concern across the political spectrum, even to those who oppose affirmative action. Affirmative action programs, when properly structured, can open up opportunities otherwise closed to qualified minorities without diminishing opportunities for white students. Given the dearth of black and latino Ph.D candidates in mathematics and the physical sciences, for example, a modest scholarship program for minorities interested in getting advanced degrees in these fields (a recent target of a Justice Department in quiry) won’t keep white students out of such programs, but can broaden the pool of talent that America will need for all of us to prosper in a technology-based economy.”
“We should also agree that the responsibility to close the gap can’t come from government alone; minorities, individually and collectively, have responsibilities as well. Many of the social or cultural factors that negatively affect black people, for example, simply mirror in exaggerated form problems that afflict America as a whole: too much television (the average black household has the television on more than eleven hours per day), too much consumption of poisons (blacks smoke more and eat more fast food), and a lack of emphasis on educational achievement.”

Posted by: Miguel | July 27, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Posted by: Miguel | July 27, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Let me address y’all bloggers against AA-and to thou art righteous blacks who are also opposed to this as well-there is one thing you people should know about AA-eg if a student feels discriminated against in their college by a professor, they can report the incident to an AA office within the school which will protect them against retaliaation by the school officials because many of these schools supports their faculty above their students maybe beause if the prof leaves they may have to hire more ppl who will demand more money than they actually have-so the AA office protects the students and forwards their report to the school president and justice is served. it doesn’t hurt if this program opens the door for minority businesses which righfully- how may minorities do you see in corporate america? people should have a heart sometimes!!

Posted by: sunshine | July 27, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

I’ve always considered McCain as one of the very few Republicans that I have ever admired, to a certain degree. But lately he seems to be all over the place. Calling it flip-floppin’ doesn’t cut it, this is something else. John Dole McBush III is very confused, like if he suddenly forgets what he stands for, and helps himself by saying the words “experience, Obama this, Obama that, my friends…, the surge, the surge, the surge,”. This should be an easy ride for him, being that he’s been around for so long and Barack Obama faces a lot of prejudice against him, for being new to the scence, among other things that raise prejudice in some people. McCain is not even a candidate, he is the guy who would benefit if the only candidate is not accepted by a majority of the people.

Posted by: Miguel | July 27, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

jilliecoe…How can you talk about flip flopping and blame just McCain? Obama has the most flip flops in this entire campaign. Sometimes it’s less than two days after he says one thing and then goes in the opposite direction. What a joke!

Posted by: carolyn | July 27, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

I only pray they do abolish Affirmative action. People of all of races and nationalities should have an equal chance at employment. Affirmative action causes companies many times to hire two people instead of one to do the same job. This is unfair to the companies because they can’t hire the most qualified in order to meet quotas. It is a racist measure.

Posted by: carolyn | July 27, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

samantha-you’re probably a white person from europe born in south africa or the carribean -l don’t know-your not black, african-american or african-thank God-stop calling yourself black

Posted by: sunshine | July 27, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

Here’s a clear distinction for you. The original McCain remarks were made TEN YEARS AGO. Ten years ago we didn’t have an African American presidential candidate or Secretary of State, for example. Do people really expect affirmative action programs to go on forever? (The Supreme Court clearly didn’t even in the awful Bolton decision from which Clarence Thomas, the only African American justice on the court, dissented, by the way.) As for raising affirmative action programs for women, that’s a total red herring. Women are scarcely a protected minority any longer. Just look at college admissions!

Posted by: Anne1244 | July 27, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

carolyn-how has AA hurt your race-people are so petty-anyways-MCCAIN WILL NOT WIN.

Posted by: sunshine | July 27, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Still no answers on how to measure the results of AA policy. I wonder why?
Per Obama’s own words – “Given the dearth of black and latino Ph.D candidates in mathematics and the physical sciences…..” Sounds like someone looked across a room and took a head count. This has been the main argument against AA in that the only measuring stick is head counts and quotas. Too bad so many supporters of AA are scared to admit such or provide an alternatvie “measurable” method ensure the “goals” are met.
Lastly, in the past few years we Dems ragged people for blindly following The Shrub. This is one Democrat who can and will disagree and will not be a sheep who follows blindlessly. I vote for people and policy, not for party!!!!!

Posted by: rosta | July 27, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

If an African American attends Harvard you automatically label them an Affirmative Action beneficiary. Why? Please tell me.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

IT makes me laugh when white people bring up clarence thomas oh he is african-american and so what!! some people do not know that one of the painful legacy of undue racism produced people like clarence thomas who dislike their own people though l haven’t seen an african from south africa(their history) voting against their own people-go and read charleston, SC history about lightskinned blacks that owned slaves-obama’s presidency does not correct the ills of african-americans in these country-that is ignorant and dumb for people to assume otherwise.

Posted by: sunshine | July 27, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

MCCAIN WILL NOT AND WILL NERVER WIN=IF HE WAS SO EXPERIENCED WHY DID HE NOT KNOCK OFF OBAMA AND BECOME THE INEVITABLE CANDIDATE-THIS GUY MAY NOT WIN HIS HOME STATE-THE PRESS AIN’T TELLING YOU THAT!!!

Posted by: sunshine | July 27, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

Baaaahhhhhhh

Posted by: rosta | July 27, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

Rosta – let’s concede that no answer will be good enough for you. You have made up your mind which is ok. If you read my posts earlier you would realize that I am against Affirmative Action just as you, but for substantially different reasons. You seem to think that that blacks are asking for an advantage because of color. The point off AA is to achieve equality despite color, age, religion, etc.. There is no sustainable advantage of being Black in America. I’m not angry about that fact. I’m not going to ignore it either despite moving forward. Your argument is that a measure is required to identify discrimination to substantiate the necessity of AA. You have to have your head buried in the sand not to realize or having witnessed discrimination and not in small amounts. I do not like AA because it serves as an albatross around the necks of individuals whose successes are attributed to being allowed to skip to the front of the line. The latter is true – with or without AA legislation.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

geeblane
I dont remember using the word “black” in any of my prior messages with the exception of the pasted quote from BO. My understanding is AA is applicable to any ethnicity or gender if the right circumstance. So not sure where you garnered that I was focussing on blacks.
Regardless, my argument and what I was trying to point out can be applied to most goverment policies. We cheer for the concept and party at the signing but fail to look at the results in any kind of measurable fashion.
Great way to run a government

Posted by: rosta | July 27, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

My problem with affirmative action is that it always runs at the expense of poor whites. You don’t ever see the Kennedy’s excluded from colleges to make room for minority students. But when my family was making much less money than one of my black college friend’s parents, he got a hardship scholarship I was didn’t qualify for because I was just a poor white kid. So he lived in the dorms (his parents could even afford that!) while I commuted from home and flipped hamburgers most nights to pay for my education.

Posted by: Mickey | July 27, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

Samantha,
The reason nobody believes you. Is that you stated that the other candidates were whites and qualified for th job like yourself. The problem is your boss hired you because you were black, because he wanted diverse staff. You quit that job , because you took that as a insult??? That not AA, that wanting to have a diverse points of views. No one would take offense at that.

Posted by: The Truth | July 27, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

Mickey – You must really close to your black friend. SO close you have the inside scoop on his parent’s financial profile. In any case, you should be happy for your friend. Do you happen to know, how many other minorities were not even accepted and were just as qualified as yourself or did you assume none existed?. When you toss around numbers of equality – go the extra mile. When a minority walks into a bank to get a loan, they can almost be assured of paying a higher interest rate regardless of credit score. That’s a fact;it’s measurable and is easily remedied. The problem is those who are on the advantageous side of such an equation could care less. The same insurance companies who utilize data to increase premiums are the same who acknowledge the shorter life span of an AA male, but I don’t see them charging us cheaper premiums. You serve no one acknowledging these practices, while essentially offering no alternatives to the present solutions, whether you like them or not.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

Why is this a “reversal” for any Republican who changes his view or vote and a “flip flop” for a Democrat???

Posted by: Karen | July 27, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

So John McCain true colors are finally started to show. This was once a man that I looked up with total admiration because he was that maverick that stood up for the little man. Sadly now it seems he will do and say whatever it takes to get elected.

Posted by: banderson | July 27, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

Test _ I see you have it all figured out. Paint yourself black, or ride around in a wheelchair for a week or better yet, pretend to be a gay man( color won’t matter). When you are done feeling sorry for yourself, then bask in the reality that it was just a well….TEST. Clearly institutions of higher learning no longer, and have not for some time, issued admission based on tests scores and with good reason. Perhaps he was in their selective judgement a more well rounded candidate than yourself or your Asian friends. In a mind like yours – that too is probably too difficult or too painful to conceptualize. If you are as smart as you claim to be, then you should have easily grasped the concept of salary versus net worth. I don’t need to bounce around google looking for statistics at all to support my positions, which is why I cited NONE. I am a statistic. If it were up to me anyone who wanted to attend college would be afforded the opportunity. There are not enough opportunities to for everyone to attend Ivy League institutions. The assumption in the hearts of too many that the cause for their misfortune is tied to AA policies is the same reason so many feel that these policies are necessary.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

1. If you graduate Harvard Law Magna Cum Laude, and get elected President of the Harvard Law Review…
NOBODY can question your qualifications for having been admitted.
NOBODY.
2. You’re fooling yourself if you think racial discrimination in employment doesn’t exist.
>>>“These were equivalent job applicants in every respect, with the exception of the fact that within certain teams we assigned one of the job applicants a felony conviction,” says Princeton sociologist Devah Pager.
After the testers applied to some 1,500 employers for 3,500 jobs as busboys, couriers, deli clerks and more, they found, according to the Pager: “The effect of race was just as large if not larger than the effect of a felony conviction. So blacks with NO criminal background were no more likely to receive a call back or a job offer than a white FELON. And it really suggests that being black in America today is equivalent to having a felony conviction.”
…All things being equal, a black man with no criminal record was about half as likely to get the job as an equally qualified white man, and had the same, or slightly less of a chance of getting the job as a white man with a criminal record. That is despite laws making it illegal to discriminate on the basis of either race or criminal history in New York.”
http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=6&aid=51561
Headline from above? A WHITE FELON has a better shot at getting hired than a Black person with NO CRIMINAL RECORD in America TODAY.
The debates can’t come quickly enough in my opinion.
–Cobra

Posted by: Cobra | July 27, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

Since all you care about is numbers here you go.
http://www.theivycoach.com/ivy-league-admissions-statistics-2007-2008-2009-2010.html
The acceptance rate for Ivy League admissions is clearly under 20%. If you choose to attribute the 80% who were not accepted to be the presence of Affirmative Action go right ahead. It’s foolish.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

I was never for affirmative action. I believe in working hard for your goals and not relying on race based hand outs. DOWN WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.
From a hard working Asian American female

Posted by: ireadnews | July 27, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

keep working hard…you are not alone.
Test – show me irrefutable evidence that 50% of the Princeton class is African American. Please. You might be interested in this 05 article by two Princeton Researchers on AA as it pertains to Ivy League Admissions. Make sure you read all of it.
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/06/07/affirm

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

Good. Affirmative Action is nothing but reverse discrimination. If any person hasn’t figured out how to escape the ghetto by now then they will never figure it out no matter how many programs are created with the best intentions.

Posted by: Toby Hill | July 27, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

Test won’t produce those results about Princeton because it’s NOT TRUE. The black population of any given Princeton class rarely approaches 10%. And obviously to some people, that’s 10% too many.
Test writes:
>>>”Choose the right neighboorhood, and you can get the numbers to say anything you want.”
Why should the “right neighborhood” matter in “post-racial” “color-blind” America, Test?
Why don’t you some of you right wingers just be HONEST for once?
You want the good old days back.
Many of you want your Ronald “campainged against CRA 1964 & VRA 1965″ Reagan, and a time where the White Male Power Structure was absolutely unchallenged. Many of you want to roll back the clock when you didn’t have to actually deal with women and minorities in the work place, unless they were in some subserviant roles, or cleaning up after you. Perhaps that’s the unspoken feeling behind this rhetoric.
Test writes:
>>>”I could pull ten college-educated white kids and send them into parts of Harlem and the Bronx and I guarantee you–the local restaurants won’t be hiring them.”
You still don’t get it, do you? The study indicates that those white kids would have an advantage over black kids WITHOUT the college education, and despite if they’ve been convicted of FELONIES.
Some of you need a refresher course on American History, and what value has been placed on being both White and Male for centuries here.
–Cobra

Posted by: Cobra | July 27, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

Gee I have been out having fun all day and come home and suddenly I have been accused of not being black and there is someone posting under my handle.
1. I am black
2. i hate affirmative action
3. Blacks who say that someone is not black because they don’t vote for Obama are RACISTS.
4. Choosing someones resume because they are black is RACIST.
I posted earlier that when I was told my race gave me an advantage in a job interview. I resigned. That is a true story.
Stop looking for handouts. I don’t want anything that I did not earn. The same goes for Obama. 2 years in the senate one of those years spent campaigning. If he were white he would not be the nominee.
I have never taken scholarships based on my race. I refused to.
Be yourself. earn something because you worked for it. Black is a color. Not a talent or skill. Who are you underneath your skin?
For those of you saying that I am not black. Please, you guys need blacks like me just to round out the 4% of us with graduate degrees who answer the census.

Posted by: Samantha | July 27, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

It said 50% were “people of color”, not African American! If Asians are not considered people of color, then what do you call them?

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

If someone had the audacity to tell me to my face that I was selected because of my color versus my qualifications, then I would not resign. If you were qualified, then you should have taken the job. Who won in that exchange? I can’t imagine he had a change of mind after you resigned. I am sure there are plenty of people who have it in their minds that I am where I find myself for some other reason than simple determination. If I took that approach (allowing the perceptions of other to make decisions for me)I might be unemployed. I can’t imagine being a Muslim looking for work today. It’s gotta be hellish.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

If someone had the audacity to tell me to my face that I was selected because of my color versus my qualifications, then I would not resign. If you were qualified, then you should have taken the job. Who won in that exchange? I can’t imagine he had a change of mind after you resigned. I am sure there are plenty of people who have it in their minds that I am where I find myself for some other reason than simple determination. If I took that approach (allowing the perceptions of other to make decisions for me)I might be unemployed. I can’t imagine being a Muslim looking for work today. It’s gotta be hellish.

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm

The true racists are those who believe they should get preferential treatment over others because of their race. Democrats were wrong on slavery, and now they’re experiencing “Democratic guilt” and pushing racial preferences to ease their consciences.

Posted by: mong01 | July 27, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

Samantha, nice to see you are back but dont hate your race. We are where we are today because of the fights of MLK. Get to understand the African-americans. I can see you have excelled on merit but if not for MLK, you may not have even made it no matter how brilliant you may have been. You are able to stand up and speak and everyone will listen because of MLK. And MLK is an african-american. Nobody will support affirmative action if everyone had a base to fall on. I go around and I see hunger and neglect. Very few African-americans rise to the top. not that blacks are not intelligent, we are but many of us do not have a solid background. Do you think there is no racism? Affirmative action has also benefited more women than men and more whites than blacks. The area of my particular emphasis is on Education. For the black race to grow, more blacks need to go to colleges and come out as graduates.Not that everyblack that is in an ivy-league school are there on affirmative action but affirmative action is needed now for a greater number to be able to go to good schools and come out shining. We cant do away with that for now. Maybe later but not now and sorry for the other day.

Posted by: eyes like summer sun | July 27, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm

I resigned because I don’t want a handout. I don’t want my colleagues whispering that I was an affirmative action hire behind my back. I don’t want to be like Jayson Blair.
Racism has no color.

Posted by: Samantha | July 27, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

McCain complained all week that the press is ignoring him. Yet today, he refuses an offer to speak before 7,000 members of the press. Could that be because he didn’t want to speak to a diverse group from the media about his recent statements that he opposes affirmative action, opposes same-sex adoptions, will appoint justices that oppose a woman’s right to choose?
One of the most important election issues is the appointment of Supreme Court justices that will weigh in on all of these topics.

Posted by: NEPatriot | July 27, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

Obama spent years going to a church whose pastor had nothing good to say about the USA, but he didn’t listen.
As I remember, Bill Clinton never inhaled either, and you talk about the Republicans talking out of both corners of their mouths. I think it just a thing that all politicians tend to do.
Anyone that thinks Obama is going to be a saintly president has his head up and locked!

Posted by: Irnotu | July 27, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

Tomorrow McCain is going to announce that he changed his mind and now supports slave labor. Then for the next 5 days, he will go on to criticize Obama for not recognizing what a good thing this is for the American economy. Then he will forget about it, his supporters will forget about it, and he will come up with another outrageous aimed at the American low information voter bloc.

Posted by: Bob | July 27, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm

I keep hearing that Obama is too inexperienced, but I keep hearing McCain changing his position, sometimes day-to-day and lately he seems to be assuming Obama positions of the past year and a half… is this behavior by McCain what the supporters define as superior experience?

Posted by: Rick_VT | July 27, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

I, as a white woman, have been the victim of AA. Years ago, I applied for a job that I was well-qualified for, working for a charitable organization. I had reference letters, a CV, and my very well-spoken, well dressed, reasonably attractive self with me when I applied. I was told, after all was said and done, that they were looking for someone with “different qualifications” and they way it was said was pretty much stressed just like that. Then I was told, “The woman you are replacing is black…(insert big, pregnant silence here)”. Then, THEN, this woman, who really wanted to hire me said, “You don’t have any disabilities, do you? Because if you do, we could work around the “other qualifications” we’re looking for in an applicant. You don’t have high blood pressure, any mental illness, diabetes, or anything like that, do you?” Fortunately, or unfortunately as she saw it, I was a healthy person. So I didn’t get the job. Because of AA. Because I am not black. I didn’t like the idea before and I hated it after that. Against AA, all the way!

Posted by: Bonnie | July 27, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

What does it (AA) have to do with so many fratricidal killings in predominant African American neighborhoods? Examine black-on-black homicide and ask yourself why would a people continually murder people who look like them. Look at the major African American television channel (BET) and ask yourself why would any people take pride in and romanticize the perpetuation of less than honorable behavior. What does affirmative action have to do with the senseless attitude of making babies but not making real families? Why would any man choose to have sex with any woman he is not willing to marry? What does AA have to do with the persistent “pimp” attitude and mannerisms displayed by many older African American males? Before asking for affirmative action (AA), start asking yourselves, “Have I and my family taken all the positive actions I/we can possibly take to make my/our life/lives better, to make my/our future brighter, to elevate those around me/us, to make my/our neighborhood and my country better?”
If you have done and are continually do all the right, good, positive things in your life, you don’t have to worry.
By the way, when is the last time you heard Asian Americans asking for AA assistance to get into any university or to be accepted for a position?

Posted by: Percy | July 27, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

McCain is appealing to racists in both parties. I actually came upon a website called the National Policy Institute which I found when I shockingly stumbled on a white supremacist site. To my shock, the National Policy Institute, a white supremacist body through both its Repub members and its Dem members, is lauding this move by McCain and obviously their own role in getting him on board.
Has McCain’s campaign decided to go for the racist and neo-nazi vote???? God Help us’!!

Posted by: ll | July 27, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm

I was a lifelong Republican for many years, and I witnessed white male privilege running rampant in my community. The issue was always that people got ahead because of who they KNEW, and that’s how they built their qualifications. It was a cozy way to maintain a system which is still functioning nicely today – why, just look at what minority group has been President of the United States, and what minority group is grossly overrepresented in almost all American government bodies.
Conservatives love to talk about how much they are against “discrimination,” but they defend the practice to the core when they pat another one of their own kind on the back and make sure they are “more qualified.” Pretending that isn’t the way things are done in this country is more than willful ignorance – it’s deception.
I can remember when, growing up, girls in grade school were told right along with the boys that they could be anything they wanted – but somehow that wasn’t reality as they finished high school and college. Why is that? Because they weren’t capable?
Next, we’ll see a Republican explain that straight white men have always had the overwhelming number of high-paying, pretigious, qualification-making positions because they are just naturally better at them.

Posted by: kevinbgoode | July 27, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

Hooray.
Anyone who believes affirmitve action is a positive thing is a fool. People should not be given favoreable opportunities because of race/color/creed/gender/preference. This is social engineering that has gone wrong. It was started with a good intention, however, anything started by the government for the “good of the people” is typically a total left-wing financial money-draining program which damages the greater population than it helps the small amount.
To those who call this racist, or whatever vile filth spilt, you are just continuing the spiral downward of this country.
All personal information on these subjects should be removed from any application forms whatsoever.
I would wager that things would get better. For those who say I am wrong, you obviously have no real ideas to contribute and are simply whiners.

Posted by: JDubya | July 27, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

What a bunch of whiners. You whine that McCain has flip-flopped? Obama has been flipping about like a fish on the beach. Pick an issue and he’s fipped on it. As far as Affirmative action, what exactly does it affirm? Many government contracts are only open to minority bids, so the minorities bid against each other! Wow that must be fair! To maintain a government bid or be qualified to bid, you must show you have x number of miinorities…but not that you have a balance of white males? Oh so very fair! An all minority company good! An all white one BAD. Women are over represented across the country in Universities, Black women even more so. The most under represented? White Males!! What a bunch of kool aid sipping libs. Its a shame. But you all keep on regurgitating all that “white-guilt” crap you learned in school…it should hold you over until you move out of mommy and daddy’s house and have to live in the real world. Here’s a parting thought, are all white people garranteed a college education, secure job, and first consideration for business loans, government contracts etc? No? Then why should anyone else be

Posted by: steve | July 27, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm

Bonnie, you said this happened to you years ago. You said you did not get the job because you were not Black or if I may sum up your description, affirmed to some degree. My point is this. If you were Asian, had a bad heart, some generic disorder, were Hispanic, gay, you name it the woman would have hired you. Did it occur to you to question the motivation behind telling you that a Black woman had the job before you. Personally, I would have found such a discussion odd, not to mention irrelevant and inappropriate. Instead, you seemed to have walked away and narrowly stated you needed to be Black to get the job. When the reality is – you could have been many other things and she would have hired you. This is why as an African American I do not like Affirmative action because too many think it is a synonym for African American. It’s not! It’s an instant excuse when the entitled do not get what they perceive as justice. Everyone has all the stats as they pertain to AA and the supposed advantages to African Americans. Why is is that the statistics for other ethnic groups are never brought to the forefront? Shameful! How many disabled individuals benefit? What about gays?

Posted by: geeblane | July 27, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

Let’s all be honest here. Without AA, there would be very little incentive for companies to recruit or hire minorities (except for menial jobs). This will lead to a host of social and economic problems. Think about it.

Posted by: Bostonguy | July 27, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

“All personal information on these subjects should be removed from any application forms whatsoever.”
That’s all well and good but what happens when the applicant comes in for an interview?

Posted by: Bostonguy | July 27, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

All of those claiming that afinmative action is revese racism are disgraceful.
In australia where there is a racist intervention against our aboriginal indigenous people we hear the same arguments.
Slavery, segregation, opression… None of the whites crying ‘reverse racism’ have been subjected to these experiences because of thier skin.
Please, stop and have a real think about it, because you make the rest of us sick.

Posted by: Kylie | July 27, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

Affirmative Action “IS” racist!!!!

Posted by: Ray | July 28, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am

Bostonguy GET REAL!!!!

Posted by: OZZY | July 28, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am

You notice how everyone says it’s racist. You know why? Because all they think when they see Affirmative Action is a Black person. That is racist. AA covers many forms of discrimination and supposedly has many beneficiaries. Haven’t heard one person say the man in the wheelchair or granny stole my job. Not one!

Posted by: geeblane | July 28, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

There sure are a lot of liberal racists who hang out here. These name calling and close minded bigots are all for discrimination as long as they benefit by it.
Racism is wrong whether practiced by the right or left and today most of it is promoted by the lefties which of course make up 90% of the core of ABC.

Posted by: KirbyF | July 28, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am

Hush up whiners, Obama has flipped on more party defining issues in 3 weeks than McCain has in 8 years. Affirmitive action is nothing but SPECIAL TREATMENT to those who are the most undeserving.

Posted by: Badger1 | July 28, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am

Repubsin – Yea and what about that jr senator/community organizer, Barack Hussein O’Carter, whose only experience is 20 years in a black liberation church? Yea, baby

Posted by: Badger1 | July 28, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am

Who’s the Flip-Flopper now?

Posted by: JD | July 28, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am

It does not matter what McCain’s view of Affirmative action is because he will not be our next president. The latest pollster.com electoral map indicates a blowout victory for Sen. Obama. One columnist wrote….”Virtually all of the evidence that we have reviewed – historical patterns, structural features of this election cycle, and national and state polls conducted over the last several months – points to a comfortable Obama/Democratic party victory in November. Trumpeting this race as a toss-up, almost certain to produce another nail-biter finish, distorts the evidence and does a disservice to readers and viewers who rely upon such punditry.” The Gallup poll trend over the last several days indicate a steady increase in voter support for Sen. Obama, now at 49% while Sen. McCain is experiencing the exact opposite, now at 40%. OBAMA 08′

Posted by: peoples_prez | July 28, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

Affirmative action is a hate crime against whites! Yet liberals consider it “racist” to speak out against racism against whites.
Well….they did elect a man who was a member of an anti-white racist church for 23 years.
Its the liberals who are the racists and Americans are finally realizing it.
McCain is growing.

Posted by: RA | July 28, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

While McCain is still a dirtbag, it is good to see he has come around on this.
Judging people by the color of their skin for any reason is racism, affirmative action is racism and its supporters are RACISTS. The fact that the left supports such institutionalized racism serves only to de-legitimize them further.
Most of the programs in question deal with affirmative racism in education and gov contracts. Quotas in education have been shown to put students at a disadvantage by improperly placing them in colleges. As far as gov contracts go, if you are a contractor large enough to do a government job then you are already in the top 10% of income earners so I hardly think you need a helping hand to get more rich off the backs of the taxpayers.

Posted by: theRadical | July 28, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

I think the straight talk, ‘xcuse me, double talk express has lost yet another wheel. Now it’s riding on one wheel. Imagine the lopsidedness. This is not policy revision this is straight up flipfloping. He sure is consistent on something and that is flipflopping. Go McCain, right into the ditch along with the deranged wing of your base.

Posted by: Nancy | July 28, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

Problem with merit based scholarship is they tend not to go toward the minority. I too can tell you I have been a victim but not as a white female. I have been deprived of jobs I am capable of but when it came down to picking one of two candidate I always lost. It happened about 4 times to me each time it became more obvious. SO if I am given what I deserve under the disguise of affirmative action I will take it. So many minorities could not have gotten this far without it.

Posted by: Nancy | July 28, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

Affirmative action’s original intention was good. But it has been misused. It looks good on managers/organizations to put a body there to meet the quota. They don’t care if this body works or not. I think this is totally a waste.

Posted by: Julie | July 28, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

Affirmative action’s original intention was good. But it has been misused. It looks good on managers/organizations to put a body there to meet the quota. They don’t care if this body works or not. I think this is totally a waste.

Posted by: Julie | July 28, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Republicans don’t really care about Affirmative Action, they don’t care if the lower classes (poor and middle class) get jobs or not. They only care about driving wedges between people. Let the poor and the middle class fight over their upper class scraps. The real deal is that the Republicans are putting this type of initiatives on the ballot in battleground states, to turn out the middle class fools who think they need to vote protect themselves from the poor, when they should be worried about the Republican upper class masters. The Repubs then are hoping they will vote for McCain while they are at it.

Posted by: Rich | July 28, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

DK – Dont be silly,, No chance an inexperienced white coming out of a 20 year membership to a white liberation church, who has befriended anti-americans, and whose wife has made her antipathy toward blacks and this country public record would never have gotten the nomination. NO CHANCE

Posted by: Badger1 | July 29, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am

why shouldn’t affirmative action be determined solely on need and intellect…for EVERY RACE AND COLOR!
I remember how some white students felt when their scholarships were given to less deserving students solely because of the color of their skin?
And what color of skin should take precedence?
Black?
Latino?
American Indian?
Eurasian?
Wall-ee?
Get the picture?

Posted by: beween the ears. | July 29, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am

Affirmative action is nothing but special privilage for some of the least deserving

Posted by: Badger1 | July 29, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am

AFFIRMATIVE ACTION …
Minority groups demand special treatment, but Equality should be equal for all Americans. We should not provide favoritism for any specific group, but we should provide equal opportunities for all. When we provide affirmative action, it’s always at the cost of someone else. In addition, when we provide millions of illegal immigrants health, education, and other services, it puts a huge drain on American citizens. That’s why California is now proposing a drastic cut in salaries to state employees. For some time now, our public schools have dumbed down their instruction to all students, in order to accommodate students who can’t keep up. This has resulted in American students ranking around 17th in academics compared to kids in other countries. The trend by the left is political correctness, which means pandering to the lowest common denominator. This doesn’t bode well for the future of America.

Posted by: Gina | July 29, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

People who think the end of affirmative action is the harbinger for divisive racism in th united states are naiive at best…but more like the ridiculous ostrich (you know…the big giant bird that hides its head in a hole in the ground.) This country already IS racist, and has always BEEN racist, but by pandering to those who would “correct the wrongs of the past”, we have actually made the division deeper, by giving a sense of entitlement to people who are not willing to exercise any effort to gracefully respond to receiving such favor. Whether in schools, the workplace, private or public sector, it is only human nature to put as much effort into something as it took you to get it in the first place. And ANYone who’d argue to the contrary really should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: Phelpsie | August 2, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

The United States of America is a very diverse country. Likewise, institutions of higher learning should reflect this diversity. It is simple to see that those who oppose affirmative action are selfish, greedy individuals. They feel everything should be given to them on a silver platter. If you are “that qualified” for a school, your acceptance would be granted. When you apply for school admissions, not only are you competing with those from other races but also those of your own race. Individuals should not blame affirmative action because of their shortcomings. They are just making excuses, and their excuses are simply complaints.

Posted by: Jeffrey | October 21, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

THAT’S WHY THE REPUBLICANS ARE OUT AND IT’S A NEW CHIEF IN TOWN, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IT’S FOR EVERY AMERICAN THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED THE MAJORITY
ONCE AGAIN THE MAJORITY IS GETTING SCARED BECAUSE THE MINORITY PORTION OF THE WORLD HAS AND WILL KEEP UP AND GO BEHIND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS 2008 ELECTION

Posted by: EYES | November 6, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

BY THE WAY IT’S FUNNY HOW IT TOOK A MINORITY TO WIN THE ELECTION TO TRY TO CLEAN UP THIS BIG MESS BUSH LEFT BEHIND, AND NOW THE MAJORITY WANTS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BAN WHAT A JOKE. BELEIVE ME OBAMA WILL NOT PLAY FAVORITE TO AFRICAN AMERICANS HE IS A FAIR MAN THAT’S WHY HE WON. SO BANNING AFFRIMATIVE ACTION WILL HURT THE OLD, AND DISABLE ALSO. PS DON’T GET SCARED NOW. JUST SIT BACK AND WATCH THIS STRONG BLACK MAN CLEAN HOUSE LOL AND EXPOSE THE REAL REASON WHY THIS COUNTRY IS IN SUCH A MESS 2 WORDS BUSH AND GREED LMAO

Posted by: EYES | November 6, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

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