By Natalie Gewargis

Jul 8, 2008 10:58am

McCain’s New Willingness to Talk Up His Vietnam-era Heroism

To many observers of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., it has seemed like a sea change.

Running for president in 2000, McCain often seemed so uncomfortable discussing his 5 1/2 years as a P.O.W. while campaigning, on one occasion he even told a story about himself in the third person.

"Many years ago, a scared American prisoner of war in Vietnam was tied in torture robes by his tormenters and left alone in an empty room to suffer through the night," McCain told a crowd in Virginia Beach on February 28, 2000. "Later in the evening, a guard he had never spoken to entered the room and silently loosened the ropes to relieve his suffering. Just before morning, that same guard came back and re-tightened the ropes before his less humanitarian comrades returned. He never said a word to the grateful prisoner, but some months later on a Christmas morning as the prisoner stood alone in the prison courtyard, the same Good Samaritan walked up to him and stood next to him for a few moments. Then with his sandal, the guard drew a cross in the dirt. Both prisoner and guard stood wordlessly there for a minute or two venerating the cross until the guard rubbed it out and walked away."

Concluded McCain: "This is my faith, the faith that unites and never divides, the faith that bridges unbridgeable gaps in humanity."

That "scared American prisoner of war in Vietnam" to whom McCain referred eight years ago was himself.

Certainly McCain’s biography was a major part of his pitch to voters then as now. His best-selling "Faith of My Fathers"  had been released in 1999 and he discussed his experiences during his book tour. Additionally, a TV ad from that time described him as having "refused early release from prison, where he suffered repeated beatings and was held for 5 1/2 years."

But for many reporters and even some McCain staffers back then, there was no mistaking the Arizona senator’s personal distaste for what he seemed to have viewed as touting his own heroic behavior, for beating his own drum.

Let me make clear that in my view, Sen. McCain has earned the right to tell the story of his uncommon valor however often he wants, in whatever venue he wants. But something changed, and he is currently more willing to talk about his heroism as a P.O.W. than he once was.

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For instance, contrast the Virginia Beach story with December 2007 when McCain’s campaign was on the ropes.

At that point, McCain’s senior campaign officials convinced him not only to tell that Christmas story in the first person, but to do so in a TV ad.

"One night, after being mistreated as a POW, a guard loosened the ropes binding me, easing my pain," McCain says in the ad. "On Christmas, that same guard approached me, and without saying a word, he drew a cross in the sand. We stood wordlessly looking at the cross, remembering the true light of Christmas."

Quite a difference from that third-person story in Virginia Beach.

Today McCain launches a new TV ad heralding his heroism, telling his tale. "John McCain: Shot down. Bayoneted. Tortured," the narrator says. "Offered early release, he said, ‘No.’ He’d sworn an oath."

And before the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) later today — as he did in June before another Latino group — McCain will tell his personal story of refusing early release.

"When I was in prison in Vietnam, I like other of my fellow POWs, was offered early release by my captors," McCain will say, according to prepared remarks released by his campaign. "Most of us refused because we were bound to our code of conduct, which said those who had been captured the earliest had to be released the soonest. My friend, Everett Alvarez, a brave American of Mexican descent, had been shot down years before I was, and had suffered for his country much more and much longer than I had. To leave him behind would have shamed us."

Let me say again, in my view, Sen. McCain has earned the right to tell the story of his uncommon valor however often he wants, in whatever venue he wants.

It’s just interesting to see him discussing his ordeal publicly, considering how reluctant he once seemed to do so.

He seems to have been convinced that — as senior staffers for Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, say — surprisingly few Americans actually know the details of his story. And that the only way to really get it out there is to, well, get it out there.

- jpt

User Comments

Americans need to know this story, just as they need to see more of McCain’s family. We need to see his adopted children and his son who’s serving in Iraq. All these things give insight into the kind of man McCain is – a great American who’ll make a GREAT president!

Posted by: HoosierSue | July 8, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

SadState, why won’t Obama release his real birth certificate? And do you think something stated on that document is going to be the October Surprise?

Posted by: HoosierSue | July 8, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

SadStateOfAffairs: Barack can’t demonstrate that he’s a “natural born citizen”? What exactly do you mean by “natural born”? He was born in Hawaii to a mother who was an American citizen. He’s plenty enough of an American for me. What is it exactly that he has to prove? A lack of military experience does not equal not loving one’s country. If if did, then most of our presidents evidently didn’t love their country by your standards. I respect John McCain’s military service, but I object to his policies (staying in Iraq for up to 100 years, continuing the failed deficit-bloating Bush tax policies) and do not feel confident that he has the physical stamina or the mental capability to withstand the demands of the presidency.

Posted by: mary | July 8, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

He should bring these things out. We should hear the full story. However we do not need McCain’s overt belligerence towards Iran, and his willingness for unending occupation in Iraq. We also do not need Obama’s promises which of course we can’t afford without China or some other foreign entity flipping the bill. Vote 3rd party folks to send a message to these dem and rep goons who value power and money over our welfare.

Posted by: Ben Straub | July 8, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

Yes, Americans need to know the real heroism of John McCain. He’ll make a fine president.

Posted by: Jo | July 8, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Yes,McCain is a war hero,very patriotic,
ready to be commander in chief in
day one………
He says “our troops will come back
with victory……
Surrender is NOT an option……
Americans NEVER SURRENDER……

Posted by: ROBERT | July 8, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

McCain needs to talk about this more often.
We need full disclosure.
McCain needs to let us know what mind-altering drugs were applied to him during those 5.5 years.
Once the American people know all these details they will come to one and only one conclusion:
“McCain is one of the greatest heroes this country ever had but McCAIN IS UNFIT TO BE PRESIDENT”.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | July 8, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Librarian with McCain=Bush Sign Charged With Trespassing
McCain Camp Throws a 61 yr old Lady out of his event
Check the video of a 61 yr old lady on public property waiting in line for a McCain event that was open to the public.
She received a ticket for trespassing.

Posted by: Jim | July 8, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

Most of the vets I know don’t like to talk about it. My Dad wouldn’t until just before he died. My brothers did but then later denied the things they said when they came back from VietNam.
If you weren’t there, you don’t know. If you know, you don’t have to say anything. You did your bit. Let it be.
If McCain talks, listen. If he doesn’t, don’t ask.
Hammering McCain about incidents in the Hanoi Hilton is the surest way for the Democrats to lose this election. And deservedly.
If the Washington Press Corps doesn’t get this, go down to the mall and hang out by the Wall for a day. If that doesn’t work, go to Arlington. The cost of freedom is buried in the ground. If you don’t get it then, you don’t know what IT is.

Posted by: len | July 8, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

SadState, he has one; he had to show one to get a passport. So why won’t he release it? Several possibilities come to mind; some wouldn’t affect his candidacy at all while others would put an immediate halt to it. He should release it and be done with it so this campaign can move forward.

Posted by: HoosierSue | July 8, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

The only heroic thing john mccain ever did was stand up to bush…. to bad hes just another bush look alike
no thanks real americans dont want to throw america down the toilet anymore then it already is
john mccain
a vote against america

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am

len, great post.

Posted by: HoosierSue | July 8, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

When does being beaten and held captive make ou fit to be pres? I would think it would give you a hot head and make you a little unstable.
But, I got to hand it to grandpa at least he remembers this. Probably because he wrote it down, maybe he should start writing down where he put his keys! LOL!!!

Posted by: Joe | July 8, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

bhrandon – Come on play nice. McCain is a bad choice because of his militant foreign policy. Obama is a bad choice because of his unrealistic entitlement promises. Don’t you dem and rep minions get it. We simply can’t afford what either of these candidates advocate. You guys really need to check out some of the other lesser known candidates. 9 trillion dollars and counting thanks to these two parties, but who are you folks to care.

Posted by: Ben Straub | July 8, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

ROBERT – I know my WWII history very well thank you. We were clearly attacked and congress declared war. Very different from our adventures lately. Sounds like you need to brush up on your history.

Posted by: Ben Straub | July 8, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

I’ve really come to dislike some liberals… makes me just that much prouder to cast my vote for John McCain in November. It won’t just be a vote FOR a great American, it will be a vote AGAINST the anger and ignorance I’ve come to see on the liberal viewpoint of things.

Posted by: HoosierSue | July 8, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

bhrandon – Agreed, I have seen a lot of garbage. Reps have it coming I suppose.

Posted by: Ben Straub | July 8, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

mccains stance on the issues is…
what did bush do? ill do that!

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

mccain doesnt work weekends because his body needs rest from all the steroids that they pump him full of during the week
they like to give him a shot just before he comes out of the plane so he looks younger and more spry

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

McCain’s endurance as a POW deserves respect, but I find his sudden “willingness” to talk about it rather curious. Since the latest Zogby polls have Obama at an electoral landslide, I can’t help but be a tad cynical about the timing.
Directing attention to McCain’s POW experience shouldn’t divert attention from any accountability issues. It also shouldn’t be used as a form of entitlement for the presidency, especially when you take into account the many young American lives heroically and recently lost.

Posted by: kat | July 8, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

mccains strategy is to lie and pander his way to the presidency
im in public financing,
im out of public financing
i got a loan from the assets of public financing and then opted out of it
im now back in
but im having all my big money people find loop holes to get around public financing
all the while im attacking obama for having his cmapaign financed by the people for hte people
mccain tossed the public under the bus as soon as he started running for bushes third term

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

hwo does being shot down qualify you for the presidency
does he expect to be fighting in all these wars hes going to create?
otherwise hes just killing innocent americans because all he knows is war
his whole family are war mongers
i think using your service as a qualification for the presidency is about the worst thing you can do to the military
if having military experience was a qualification for presidency then we would have nothing but generals as presidents
what military experience qualifies you for is the military
and since mccain was shot down the last time he was in the military,
i dont think he wants to ruin anymore fighter planes

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

bhrandon,
you sure are on the RUN MCCAIN down train. and you are being pretty specific in the run down things you are saying.
why don’t you try to be the obama supporter obama would be proud of. and just try to stick to the specific good points as to why obama should be president, rather than try to run mccain down. no one is going to change there mind about mccain, based on the mess you write about him.
so why don’t you change your tune and hope you can change some minds to vote for obama.
you only shame yourself and thoses close to you when you post the stuff you post.

Posted by: RUMMY | July 8, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

It is people like John McCain that make me proud to be an American. Thank you John McCain.

Posted by: rogersm234 | July 8, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

also bhrandon,
to read down as fast as you are posting this drivel, it really makes you seem unstable.
you may hate mccain. but i will tell you of course this is an important election. but to guage the quickness of your post. it is not an election to go mad from. you need to chill.
we get it you hate john mccain.
but with the bile that you spew, if obama and any of his people could read what you write, they would not want you in the same air space with obama. and would ask you not to publicy support obama.

Posted by: RUMMY | July 8, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

Question: When is Barack Hussein Obama going to open up about his military service?
Answer: When he has some.

Posted by: Jayhawk | July 8, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

What heroism can BHO talk about? It couldn’t even be a state or federal legislative action that could tie him to anything specific. That said, what did he ever do as an act of heroism?

Posted by: Aston | July 8, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Right now this is the “Summer of free Hugs” as Democrats court Independents, Republicans and Hillary Clinton before the Olympics. The Olympics are our second love so to speak this summer! For all Americans We are also starting a Happiness Factory too to bring a smile to all Americans reading this post. The 2008 Summer of “Free Hugs” vs the John McCain’s 1968 “Summer of Love”.
Barack Obama ’08

Posted by: Tongassberry | July 8, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Having a military career gives you the credentials for what job?
the military!

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Well said rummy.
Obama deserves respect as a serious candidate. So does McCain. The critics who minimize and disparage his service and experience as a POW are just sad, childish, and petulant. Attack him for his policies, if you like, that is part of the process.
However, it is clear that McCain made a great sacrifice in his youth that trumps Obama’s struggles to pay off his student loans.
His service to the country was greater. Does it make him “qualified”? Not necessarily, but being president is about character and fortitude as well.

Posted by: Wade | July 8, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

yea im paid to do this
fail
im only giving you back what you guys do to obama every day which is come here with the most sensational fabricated buckett of lies that anyone can dream up
oh michelle said whittee
oh sinclair had sex with him
oh hes a drug dealer
oh he has white mans crank
a vote for mccain is like shooting yourself and america in the face
thanks republicans the last 7 years of bush have been super!!!

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

Of course he talks up his POW days, it’s the only difference between him and Bush.

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

Although we thank McCain for his service in the military, McCain should talk about his WHOLE story in the military including his confession tape that was used for propaganda purpose. McCain was nakename as ” song bird son of admiral” in vietnam, which mean “SNITCH”. we should also note that McCain made propaganda tape that used against his fellow soldiers. The reason McCain is reluctant to talk about his experience is becuz it has many embarrassments in it. Mccain story though heartbreaking, he said some horrible things about his country action in vietnam. Finally, the people who turtured Mccain and those who were with McCain while he was in prison is still life to debunk his assertions and fabrications. That’s the reason why he don’t want to talk about it.

Posted by: D.Johnson | July 8, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

Jayhawke…if you have to be a hero to be president, then 90% of the former presidents would be disqualified.
There are many hero’s in our society and most of them never served in the military. They have done great things for mankind. This is what shows true character.

Posted by: militarymom | July 8, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

HoosierSue……that’s OK, I’ve really come to dislike ALL conservatives. I love my country too much to let them destroy it.

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

JR – There is a difference between conservative and neocon. I hope you don’t believe all conservatives are bad.

Posted by: Ben Straub | July 8, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

HoosierSue…”why won’t Obama release his real birth certificate?”
What do you think it will show, that he’s really from mars or worse, from Indiana.

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

How is grandpa going to deal with the fact Iraq wants a time table with no US bases? Or is he like Stalin and going to rule with an Iron fist?

Posted by: Joe | July 8, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

Wade…you obviously do not know Obama’s history when you make these remarks.He has served his community, worked with the poor in projects and gotten health care passed in Illinios for poor children. get the whole truth when you make statements.

Posted by: truthtell | July 8, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

Why did John Kerry and John McCain keep the truth about what happened to he American POW’s from their familes and the american people? Why were they in such a hurry to normalize relations with Vietnam, and not demand a full accounting for our missing and those left behind? What are McCain and Kerry trying to hide? Check out “Vietnam veterans against McCain.” “Missing, Presumed Dead” Or just do an amazon or google search on Vietnam POWS still missing. They’re STILL Americans in Vietnam. America refused to pay the Vietnamese for their release, and some have been spotted in Vietnam still today!!! Investigate this for yourself, you might not like what you find. McCain and Kerry are covering something up, and American soldiers and their families are STILL suffering. John McCain is NO hero, he is a traitor to his brothers in arms, and in no way deserves to hold public office, let alone be commander in cheif.

Posted by: pity | July 8, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

JR, there are plenty of conservatives I don’t like as well. But McCain isn’t one of them. In fact, McCain has shown throughout his Senate career that he’s one of the last great “true” conservatives America is likely to see for quite a while.

Posted by: HoosierSue | July 8, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

Militay service does not qualify you to be President, but CHARACTER does. Lets see, should I vote for a man that served his country with tremendous character, heroism, and selflessness? Or should I vote for a man who sat in a pew listening to Rev. Wright sermons for 20 years? Hmmmmmm!

Posted by: MDBIndiana | July 8, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Obama supporters are kids so how can they know anything about Vietnam or Korea or Rev. King, or JFK, or…..They are too busy with texting on their cell phone. Kids for a kid.

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Ben Straub , all that I meet are rabid neo-cons, blame everything on Clinton or the “Democrat” congress. Refuse to except any reponsibilty for the mess the country is in or recognise that their people have been in power for over 12 years and are to blame.

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

Got news for you bluebird, Obama supporters include millions of old white men like me.

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

Actually JR, I think it will either show that he was born abroad (making Obama a non-US citizen following the rules in place at that time) or lists his father’s race as Arab rather than the preposterous “African” (for that time in our history) that’s shown on the current fraudulent Certificate put out by Kos and picked up by the Obama camp. Of course it could show nothing of the kind. But if it doesn’t, why won’t Obama release it?

Posted by: HoosierSue | July 8, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

truthtell:
I am aware of Obama’s past activism, I just have an opinion different from yours. It is this. Activism for the poor is not equal in “heroism” or “sacrifice” or “public service”
when compared to military service in which one is imprisoned and tortured for years, is given an opportunity to be released, which is refused in order to maintain solidarity with one’s fellow soldiers. If you disagree, fine. Just one man’s outlandish opinion.

Posted by: Wade | July 8, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

Crashed 4 planes 3 in peace time….
Good judgment?
I’ll give him one surface to air missles suck.

Posted by: Joe | July 8, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

bhrandon,
mccain having military career, qualifies him to be in the military?
he has been in the us senate for many years.
and answer me this, what has obama’ career prepared him for?
as for as a career path and building a history. Obama has not stayed on a job long enough to build up much of a history. He so far has been the equlivant of a just out of college, payed off the college bills, just like a college student job hopping, He just wants to hop into the presidency of the us. (and mess with the american people lives) while he learns the job and tries it out.
I wanted sen. clinton.
but I think I will take mccain (military record or no military record)
over obama.
anyone can say they have the goods,as obama does, but we have seen nothing past or present that shows us obama has the goods.
and to tell someone at this point to go to a website and find out what they think is well, sophmoric. and i heard obama tell someone on monday to do just that.

Posted by: RUMMY | July 8, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

bluebird…did you ever think that those kids had dad’s who died in Vietnam, Korea and grew up hearing their parents talking about JK and Martin Luther King? Kids today aren’t stupid and followers like we were. They know what the truth is, as bad as it can be. They want change. It is their future….

Posted by: truthtell | July 8, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Yes, I expected for someone to mistake my comment as an all exclusive comment. As if I didn’t know the difference. Face it, new voters, new registered voters, don’t have clue and haven’t been involved. If they had a clue they would have been voting long ago. If they had a clue, they would be looking seriously at the Democratic Congress who has done nothing since they took the majority. The President is basically powerless without Congress. If Obama wants to be a change agent, he should have done something for change in his two years as of Senator. He didn’t do anything then, he won’t do anything as Pres.

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

No HoosierSue, McCain has shown that he is so desperate for the job that he will do and say anything to get it. He may once have had principle, but he threw it out several years ago. Even if he did still have the morals, I don’t trust his temperment. He’s to violent to have control of our military. He would have us in contiuing and escalating wars.

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

HoosierSue, McCain was born in Panama.

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

Rummy…if you are a Hillary supporter and voting for McCain then you are just as stupid as you sound. McCain is everything that Hillary isn’t. And their policys and desires for our country are like night and day.

Posted by: formerhillary | July 8, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

Oh, what miniscule whining the cynics have!
That’s because;
1: They have nothing
2. They know McCain doesn’t have a chance. He’d be better off as a used car salesman.
3. Obama will be POTUS
All of the whining combined with symptoms of denial maximus won’t stop the inevitable.
WE GOT THIS
OBAMA 08 FOR 8

Posted by: Nat Turner | July 8, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

JR — You said McCain “would have us in contiuing and escalating wars.” — How about taking a peek at what the DEMOCRATIC controlled congress is about to pass! House Congressional Resolution 362, is a “virtual Iran war resolution.” The resolution has garnered 150 co-sponsors. In the Senate, sister Resolution 580, introduced by Indiana DEMOCRAT Evan Bayh, was also gathering momentum. After 11 “whereas” to build a casus belli against Iran, House 362 would require a naval blockade. If passed by both houses, the United States would technically BE AT WAR WITH IRAN.

Posted by: MDBIndiana | July 8, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

hoosiersue
you mean the senate career that has him missing 367 votes, and is the most absent member of congress
yea, this guys really goign to make a great president, hell destroy america, get us into wars, take off weekends, crash planes, and when we need him he wont be around because hell be out touring… oil fields or something to pander to his real masters

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

MDBIndiana, don’t know a thing about it, but last I noticed, the president (gag) is Bush and a republican, also the senate is evenly devided between republicans and democrats (Lieberman is a republican).

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

the democratic congress tries to do stuff but when you have the president vetoing everything, it becomes pretty difficult
not to mention the spot they are in after having a republican majority and being subject to 7 years of hell
you cant expect a democratic congress (with a slight majority) to be able to get anythign accomplished
but not this year
democrats will take over and change the direction of america
i for one do not want to go down this crack filled horror that is the bush mccain path
america can not take another year let alone 4 of mcbush
if mccain really wants to put country ahead of everything else he would drop out of the race and let us actually get some work done

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Posted by: truthtell | Jul 8, 2008 12:52:22 PM
Well, it’s my future too. And McCain offers a future of substance. I was young once, history major, even protested against the first Gulf War. Things have changed since 9/11 and I never want another American to go through that again. What can you expect from a bunch of college kids who are still filling out Form 1040 EZ.
Frankly, Obama is just too immature for me. Conisdering that my parents are older than McCain and smart as a whip, and that I also have a lot of respect for older people, I agree with the kiddie view point that McCain is a grandpa. I think its typical of the immortal mentality of youth, and utterly disrespectful.

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Conisdering that my parents are older than McCain and smart as a whip, and that I also have a lot of respect for older people, I agree with the kiddie view point that McCain is a grandpa. I think its typical of the immortal mentality of youth, and utterly disrespectful.
I meant I disagree with the kiddie view point. Typo.

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

I will say this and will not start the whole hillary obama things again.
But obama is trying his best, and not doing very well, to move to where sen. clinton always was.
sen. clinton is out, obama is the dem’ choice,
I of course, being the age I am, know I am free to vote for whomever I please.

Posted by: RUMMY | July 8, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

LOL
did anyone see mccain on CNN today
LOL he couldnt answer the questions about his economic policy
LOL what a failure

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

John McCain appeared on today’s CNN American Morning, ostensibly to talk economic policy with John Roberts. Over the course of the discussion, however, it was clear that McCain possessed more disputes than he did answers, continually dodging questions with either well-worn canards or topic-changes.

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

formerhillary….
You are the man or the woman!
But you are awesome! I’m glad to see hillary clinton supporters can see how john mccain is going to continue to ruin this country!

Posted by: Joe | July 8, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

It appears that the “Baby Boomer” generation of leadership don’t have a clue.
They whine about the possibilities, but haven’t heard a peep from them for 7 years. They (cynical baby boomers) are so miserable that they would prefer to continue to wallow in the perverbial dung tank of pessimism when optimism is standing right in front of them.
Oh, well. You can lead a cynical baby boomer to the computer, but they don’t know how to turn it on.
OBAMA 08 FOR 8

Posted by: Nat Turner | July 8, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

bluebird, speaking as someone well into “grandpa” years, McCain is too old for the job. I and everyone I know my age have senior moments, some more than others. I also have developed a temper and if there was a button that would releave the world of the neo-cons I meet, it would be worn out from use. Your parents may be sharp as a tack, but they aren’t McCain.

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

Nat Turner | Jul 8, 2008 1:07:05 PM
No Nat. I see a fake when one is presented to the public using imaging techniques and other various gag items.
What you don’t see is history and that Obama would have been a fine candidate in 2000. But not this election year. Not during these troubled times. It’d be like those interent companies that were led by inexperienced college grads. They had good short-term ideas to drive up the stock price, but eventually the stock had no real value amd led to massive losses once the truth came out that there never was a business plan for the longer term.

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

Bluebird,
Save the pity party for after Obama’s inauguration.
The crow is marinating for your consumption come November.
OBAMA 08

Posted by: Nat Turner | July 8, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

A good friend of mine–a wounded vet from the Vietnam war–used to joke, “Why don’t they ever talk about those of us who were good enough at our jobs not to get caught?” But there was a serious note behind the twinkle in his eyes. Nevertheless, he does not expect to be awarded the presidency on the basis of his military experience.

Posted by: Mike R. | July 8, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Nat, if your tryin to alienate anyone over 55, then your doin a great job. If your tryin to turn them to Obama, you should put a sock in it.

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

JR, McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a Navy officer, were stationed. But you already knew that, didn’t you? In other words, he was born to two U.S. citizens.
Under the rules of the time, were Obama born abroad, he would not have been considered a U.S. citizen.
This wouldn’t be an issue at all with me, except that I know Obama lies and I also know he’s resisting releasing his birth certificate. So again, why?

Posted by: HoosierSue | July 8, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

bluebird – Everything changed after 911? Unfortunately foreign policy didn’t. Expect more attacks in the future unless our intelligence agencies are able to intervene first. What goes around comes around. By the way Iraqi lawmakers now are demanding a timetable for withdrawal much to McCain’s displeasure I am sure.

Posted by: antenian | July 8, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

To Nat: The crow is marinating for your consumption come November.
Is that Obama speak? He may speak to you, but he doesn’t to me That’s what I mean, immature. Such as his response to a major Clinton supporter in garnering fundraising support for “That’s cool with me.”

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

Mccains camp is screening questions from reporters too so he doesnt get asked tough questions!!!
lol

Posted by: bhrandon | July 8, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

He not only sat silently in the pews of a racist church for 20 years and did nothing, but he also contributed money to their cause of helping to keep hate of “typical white people” alive. Instead of his church attempting to heal old wounds, they instead have stoked the fire of hate based on race.

Posted by: Mack | July 8, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

bhrandon — I’ll take McCain’s experience anytime! Not like Obama — he decided to anounce his intentions to run for President after spending 143 days in the Senate — now there’s experience! NOT!!!

Posted by: MDBIndiana | July 8, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

antenian | Jul 8, 2008 1:18:01 PM
It’s not foreign policy that concerns me although keeping it safe is up there. I’m concerned about the economy, gas prices, heating bills this winter. I like what McCain is saying about these things. I like his tax plan. I like his $7,000 deduction per child per family. It’s an excellent proposal. I like the off shore drilling, although I’d rather drive the Honda hydrogen fuel cell, and I like his estate tax plan. Never voted republican in my life. I’m a registered Independent. But, boy, I ca not bring my self to vote for someone with so little experience.

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

MDBIndiana, for me it less who’s most experienced than it’s who’s most dangerous and I think McCain is by far the most dangerous.

Posted by: JR | July 8, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

bluebird – I agree with many points you bring up however foreign policy is linked to our financial well being as well as our moral fortitude as a nation. How much are 30,000 wounded from this war going to cost us over the long run? How much does maintaining the huge empire cost us, oops I meant cost China? Don’t fool yourself. We are in big trouble finacially , and it requires deep cuts in spending both domestic and oversees. Obama is better on foreign policy, and McCain is better on spending in general. Why can’t they get it right on both?

Posted by: antenian | July 8, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

Wow! alot of you guys just need to relax alittle. I mean all this is just the death rattles of the GOP anyway.
It’ll be fine but you know grandpa mccain still wants his base in Iraq and he doesn’t know how to handle the economy other than to make sure his rich friends are still rich.

Posted by: Joe | July 8, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

antenian: Don’t forget McCain’s bombing Iran song. The guy wants more invasions. That can’t help the pocketbook. Barr ’08

Posted by: Huh | July 8, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

Posted by: antenian | Jul 8, 2008 1:29:04 PM
Because we only two to really choose from. And, you gotta make a call. My votes going to McCain. I’d rather have a sensible guy with some backbone who butted up against his party and has a real green streak. It tells me he’s got guts and can make tough choices. Obama tells me he doesn’t know yet, but he’ll see how it goes.

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

“I mean all this is just the death rattles of the GOP anyway.”
Yes, why do we need more than 1 party anyway, comrade? Power to the people!

Posted by: Mack | July 8, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

Oh yea mack you know what I’m talkin bout!

Posted by: Joe | July 8, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

bluebird – I guess my vote will neither hurt or help your cause then. What makes me gloomy is the fact that this is the best the two major parties can put forward. Surely Ron Paul was much better on issues. He might have been a bit too cerebral for the average republican. I will still spread the word to folks to think outside the box. The country is in trouble because of current and legacy policies of these two main parties. People need to recognize their impotence.

Posted by: antenian | July 8, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

antenian | Jul 8, 2008 1:36:30 PM
I’ll take a look at him. (But, he can’t win, and that’s why I gotta choose between the two that can win.)

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

Bluebird,
Americans will make the call in November and it appears on all counts that OBAMA is the choice of MOST AMERICANS. Black, White, Latino, Asian, Middle Eastern.
For McCain, he’ll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to beat out Ron Paul and Bob Barr.
See you at the inauguration.
OBAMA 08

Posted by: Nat Turner | July 8, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

The political impotence of McCain has to be frustrating.
He can’t even answer questions at his hand picked town hall meetings of 20 people!
Oh, Oh. The teleprompter just went out.
MEEEEEEDIC!

Posted by: Nat Turner | July 8, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

It doesn’t matter if it’s your first or 50th time voting…
It doesn’t matter who you vote for…
Just vote!!!!
Obama 08!

Posted by: Joe | July 8, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

It appears that the “CYNICAL Baby Boomer” generation of leadership don’t have a clue. Grandpa just isn’t what he used to be.
They whine about the possibilities for the future, but haven’t heard a peep from them regarding the past 7 years.
They (cynical baby boomers) are so miserable that they would prefer to continue to wallow in the perverbial dung tank of pessimism when optimism is standing right in front of them.
Oh, well. Just a bunch of crabs in a barrel. It’s expected for them to want to drag America down further. Unfortunately, by placing their hopes in Bush, he used them to destroy this country.
Denial…….Last human defense mechanism before reality sets in and that reality will hit like a Mack Truck come November.
OBAMA 08 FOR 8

Posted by: Nat Turner | July 8, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

Rummy…if you are a Hillary supporter and voting for McCain then you are just as stupid as you sound. McCain is everything that Hillary isn’t. And their policys and desires for our country are like night and day
John McCain is not Bush. He will be a good President. Everybody is so mad at Bush they are throwing away this country to an inexperienced Chicago con man. If he runs this country the way he has his own city, God help us all. What has he done for Chicago his own hometown? Chicago is full of corruption and Obama is a part of that problem. His friend Rezko is another. He has many other connections to the corrupt politics that is how he got where he is today. He will fill his own pockets and the hell with the American people. He had dirty dealings with the teachers retirement fund. Obama says what he thinks you want to hear. That why he changes his story on a daily basis. NoObama!

Posted by: carolyn | July 8, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Carolyn,
Cmon Sweetie. Is that the best you got? Riding on fumes, huh?
I can see why this is going to be a blowout.
OBAMA 08

Posted by: Nat Turner | July 8, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

Now he’s gonna milk his war stuff. You’d think he look for options other than war. But no, he’d like to milk those wartime presidential powers, too. Sick and sad…

Posted by: DaveM | July 8, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Nat, others reveling in Obama’s presumptive victory:
Let the miracles begin? I think you are right, at this stage it looks like Obama might win. However, it will not likely be the landslide you envision. Even if it is, and your man wins and McCain gets 5% of the vote (as some on this board have curiously suggested), I doubt you are going to see as much change as you think.
Clinton also claimed to herald a new era in 1992, but the “changes” were not that significant, in my view. That’s a good thing too, and is why I am not too worried about Obama’s lip service to leftist policies, as he is already jumping to the middle on several major issues.

Posted by: Wade | July 8, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Nat Turner — Senator McCain entered the Naval Academy in 1954. Graduated in 1958 He retired from the Navy in 1981. You do the math. We’re still waiting for Sen. Obama to release his military records.

Posted by: Royce | July 8, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Seems Obama and his supporters equate Obama sitting in a racist, hate mongering church for 20 years with McCain’s military experience. WAR IS HELL. My husband was in Veit Nam and came home ill, hurt and delusioned at the lies being told to Americans via news outlets. Unless, you were there, do not critize or questions those who were. YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING.

Posted by: Mary | July 8, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

Senator McCain is a hero. He won’t say it. Mary’s husband won’t say it either, but he is. Every man and woman who has ever wore the uniform of our nation is a hero. They all serve to defend our freedom. All of them, including Senator McCain and Mary’s husband deserve our respect and our gratitude. Mary, please thank your husband for me. Tell him to consider this a long distance handshake.

Posted by: Royce | July 8, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

McCain although a war hero, is now mentally unfit to be President. Anyone watching him can see major signs of senile dementia, which the MSM is pretending not to notice (just like they did with Regan). But the American people can see it. Just watch videos of him four years ago, compared to today’s John McCain. He is having some major health problems and anybody can see it.

Posted by: Peg | July 8, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

Don’t forget, I was tortured!

Posted by: WALNUTS! | July 8, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

Of course he’s talking about his war days! What else does he have to talk about???

Posted by: SpaceCat | July 8, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

I seriously doubt the Democratic drawing at straws claim that Sen. McCain is senile. Even if he was senile, senility is preferable to the mindless following of a man who preaches hatred of our nation. Senator McCain is a trained and proven leader. He has experience at making the hard decisions that Senator Clinton said Sen. Obama doesn’t have the experience to make. Obama isn’t trained and proven capable to lead. Senator McCain was trained and his ability has been proven.

Posted by: Royce | July 8, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Peg,
“McCain although a war hero, is now mentally unfit to be President”
….The guy has refused to walk out the Trinity Church and refused to disown his hateful pastor for the past 20 years is unfit to be a President! Obama’s mentality and judgment is not only poor, but also questionable!

Posted by: Independent | July 8, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

I don’t consider John McCain is a perfect candidate, but compared to the anti-American people like Obama and his wife, John McCain has served this country whole-heartedly. Obama has anything to prove??? NONE! That’s why he keeps shouting the word CHANGE!

Posted by: Independent | July 8, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

“Hero” is tossed about so easily, the word sometimes seems to mean little. There is nothing heroic about being shot down and being captured. It is not as if he chose to do so. There is nothing heroic about enduring torture. He didn’t have a choice.
He gets the same credit as millions of other guys do for serving in a war in which he and they (including me) killed people who had done nothing to us. We (I) don’t need to feel shame, but there should be no pride felt in doing that.

Posted by: Dennis | July 8, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

I want someone who as POTUS can help our country. Military experience is irrelevant for that.

Posted by: Dennis | July 8, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

McCain never talks about how his 19 year old son just returned from Iraq. He enlisted at the age of 17. McCain never talks about how his other son is about to graduate from the navy academy. McCain’s son found out his dad won new hampshire while he was digging out of a ditch in iraq.
On one of the visits McCain got bashed on as he went to iraq he had lunch with his son. Never mentioned it. Jim Webb used his son for political benefits. Tim Johnson cut ads with his son who was serving in iraq.
The media never mentions how McCain hasn’t used his son for political gain instead they bash him.

Posted by: Don | July 8, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

I can’t wait to see Sen. Obama’s military record. A few years ago the Democrats and liberal media established the concept that Sen. Kerry was more qualified to be president because of a more impressive military record. Democrats established that qualification in spite of Bill Clinton’s service record. Now that the Democrats have established that qualification, I know Sen Obama must have a very impressive military record. If not, they might be properly accused of hypocrisy and elitism. Again.

Posted by: Royce | July 8, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

I do not care if you are Democrat or Republican, if you cannot show respect for a vet, you do not deserve to be an American. Thank you John McCain your service to our country is appreciated.

Posted by: rogersm234 | July 8, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm

Dennis:“There should be no pride felt in doing that” is your feeling and your own business. You don’t talk for millions serving in a war or for my family. Being a POW in North Vietnam for over 9 years, my dad is proud of his service!

Posted by: Independent | July 8, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

Independent. I cannot feel pride for attacking who have done nothing to me. I know some people can.

Posted by: Dennis | July 8, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

The GOP is spending some money today! First this flowery piece about McCain followed by another flowery piece about his mistress/second wife Cindy McCain and all in one day! The GOP out did itself but to no avail, you still loose in November.

Posted by: peoples_prez | July 8, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

You are mistaken, this Asian-American and people in our community WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. We have heard the talks from our people in church, in grocery stores, in party’s events, and in our own community!!! NO VOTE FOR OBAMA! YOU HEAR ME!!!!!

Posted by: Asian-American | July 8, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

You were called for service and had done what the country asked you to do. There should be pride! Period!

Posted by: Independent | July 8, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

So suddenly McCain likes talking about his service. Just another McCain flip-flop.
So when will a reporter ask McCain about his 2004 statement that we would “obviously” have to end the Iraq war if the sovereign Iraqi government asked us to leave. Because they just did, and I haven’t heard McCain call for a pull out. I’m sure if someone deigns to ask him in between handing him his donuts and coffee, we’ll be treated to another flip flop.

Posted by: Seamus | July 8, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

And he is still wrong on the War, wrong on taxes, wrong on the ecconomy, wrong on energy.
We don’t need a hero., we need someone who is correct on the issues.

Posted by: Thinking | July 8, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

“we need someone who is correct on the issues.” — I’m sure Senator McCain will appreciate your vote.

Posted by: Royce | July 8, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Hey Thinking:
So if he is wrong, how? Obama’s position is just about the same on the war, now. You disagree on taxes, that’s fine, he is a republican, you will never agree. The economy? How? How is Obama “right?” Also, how is he wrong on energy? I am not saying he is “right”, but you are just saying he is wrong without support.
I just get the feeling that people don’t actually look at the candidate’s positions on the issues before spitting out that their guy is “right” and the other “wrong.”

Posted by: Wade | July 8, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

It is very interesting that it takes a British newspaper, The Sunday Times (very well respected)to print an editorial (7/6) stating the Allies had pretty much WON the war in Iraq. Claiming tremendous victory against the terrorists and praising US leadership. PICTURE THAT AGAINST TODAY’S NY TIMES WHICH HAD A FEATURE STORY ON PAGE ONE ABOUT GIs RETURNING HOME GETTING DRUNK AND STAYING DRUNK. THE US MEDIA LOST THE WAR FOR AMERICA IN VIETNAM AND ARE DOING THEIR DAMNEST TO GET US TO LOSE THIS ONE TOO! DISCUSTING – NO WONDER THE NY TIMES IS GOING BELLY-UP!! SURE GLAD THESE LIBS WEREN’T AROUND IN WW11.

Posted by: Temagami | July 8, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm

If we are succeeding in quelling the violence in Iraq, it’s because of McCain’s leadership. Where was Obama? Nowhere. He hadn’t even been to Iraq in years.

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

“I want someone who as POTUS can help our country. Military experience is irrelevant for that.”
Posted by: Dennis | Jul 8, 2008 4:24:54 PM”
IS it irrelevent?
I think almost ALL our experiences expand our complete personnage…..
But perhaps you’d prefer that all military people be prohibited from running for POTUS in case someone
with an empty resume and a megalomaniacal ego might be waiting on the sidelines with with a bunch of afficcianados whose patriotism to our country is appears both limited and questionable…. might choose to run!
Why should HE have to drag around the baggage of being a war hero?
Darn!
I prefer the knowledge that a man’s actual SERVICE to our country outlasted political boot camp before he can be voted into the top spot>
Mccain before Obama !
and, always:
COUNTRY BEFORE BROKEN DOWN DNC PARTY

Posted by: EYES WIDE OPEN | July 8, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

McCain’s speech at the Latino conference was excellent. I like the $7000 tax deduction per child per family. I like his death tax plan to allow those few Americans who finally amass a few million, to keep it without paying a federal estate tax so that their children can keep free of federal tax. I like that he’s green minded. He’s an excellent candidate and I think I’ve made up my mind to vote for him.

Posted by: bluebird | July 8, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

I have to almost laugh at the attempt of these bloggers to try to knock McCain’s military experience, especially since obama DOESN’T HAVE ANY MILITARY EXPERENCE, and has been forced by reality into changing his stance re. Iraq. AND NOW WE HAVE THE IRAN/ISRAELI ISSUE? PLEASE DO NOT GIVE US OBAMA AS PRES – HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING!!

Posted by: Manitu | July 8, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Wade.
You Must be kidding! A lib actually looking at an issue with any depth, let alone with inductive or deductive reasoning – kindasorta reminds one of Obama himself!!

Posted by: Manitu | July 8, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

McCain’s “Summer of Love” …. I think McCain and his campaign are pissed off they missed the sixties. In many ways John McCain also missed the Vietnam war. He dropped bombs from a distance, then got locked away in a prison and listened to North Vietnamese propaganda for 5.5 years. I am a card-carrying, former Republican, baby boomer. John McCain’s world view is dangerous and under-developed, much in part to him missing what was happening on the ground in Vietnam and what was happening in America during those years. I honor his service and sacrifice. But he never fought in combat. I had too many high school classmates go to Vietnam and either never return or return damaged. McCain is courageous and brave to live through those horrible years as a POW, but that does not mean he is right for the Presidency at this point in history. I wore a POW bracelet during the years. I fit the so-called Hillary demographic — white female age 59. But I have supported Obama since mid-2007 and look forward to him becoming the next President of the United States. McCain is grounded in the past. Obama is grounded in the future. I think the sub-text of this ad works against McCain, and neither McCain nor his campaign seem to get that. There is a huge disconnect.

Posted by: MDA | July 8, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

Here we go again.. Look Mom…I am a “HERO…ELECT ME”..Just because he got shot down and was a POW does not make him Presidental material. Thousands of Americans have been POW’s in may wars..Maybe if had learned to fly an airplane right to begin with he would not have been shot down…He wrecked 5 jets in his short career.

Posted by: Brutice | July 9, 2008, 3:28 am 3:28 am

I think the American people want to know and hear McCain’s experiences because they are examples of his strength, courage, integrity, loyalty, patriotism…..qualities I want in a President. I’d like to hear more about the candidates personal backgrounds as it is a large part of who they are now.
I’d like to hear from some of the Vets who know McCain too. I’d like to hear from McCain’s 96 yr. old mother, and hear from Obama’s granny. The more I learn about them the better (although I know who I’m voting for already).
McCain is an American hero and why shouldn’t he tell his story? I wish Obama could open up and truthfully tell his story. He’s got some serious family skeletons in his closet.

Posted by: Debra | July 9, 2008, 4:18 am 4:18 am

It loses its value once he starts hawking his own “heroic” past.

Posted by: this election counts | July 9, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

Here we go…”Elect me because I am a HERO”…Never mind I am not qualified.I am to old, and I am a Bush SOCK PUPPET…

Posted by: Brutice | July 9, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

Some vets talk a lot about their experiences. Some never say anything. Some aren’t able to talk about it for a long time. Some only talk to other vets, they’re the only ones who understand it anyway. … Never criticize a veterans military record unless you have one of your own. Never question his courage until you’ve proven yours. It’s common sense, decency and respect. Senator McCain and others like him put on a uniform to earn your right to be stupid. Don’t abuse it.

Posted by: Royce | July 9, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

bluebird.
Most of McCain’s plans sound good. I really don’t think we need to reward people for contributing to that over population of our planet. If they can’t afford to have children, they shouldn’t have them. I would really like to see a tax placed on children who were not adopted to cover society’s expense for added population.
I plan to vote for McCain but this is one issue I don’t agree with at all. Actually he has several views I don’t agree with.
Still, he’s about a billion times better than Obama.

Posted by: Royce | July 9, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

Aston wisely wrote:
Question: When is Barack Hussein Obama going to open up about his military service?
Answer: When he has some.
Not only that, I doubt he even registered for the selective service.
Someone needs to tell SoetorObama that he can’t be “swiftboated” if he was never on a “swiftboat.”

Posted by: Vlad Tepes | August 17, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am

Anyone read gulag archipelago? the cross in the sand story sounds terribly familiar.
And when is the courageous liberal media (cough cough) going to start talking about how McCain shutdown hearings on POWs being left in Vietnam?
Diane Van Renselaar, wife of a POW left behind has a lot to say about the real McCain.

Posted by: john | August 17, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

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