I do think Obama using Father’s Day to excoriate irresponsible fathers was untoward. He would never have done that to women on Mother’s Day.
Posted by: MayBee | July 10, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Barack Obama is so liberal that he talks about people taking responsibility for themselves and their family in virtually every speech he gives.
Obama 08
Posted by: John's conscience | July 10, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Oh don’t make a big thing of this, Jesse will still be Secretary of State and AL “i love all white people” Sharpten will be his chief of staff LMAO
Posted by: airmanc5 | July 10, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
As a Black father older than Obama and younger than Jasse, Obama is speaking and handling the father issue very appropriately.
He is speaking to fathers in general and to black fathers specifically, as a leader should. Lets be adults…. that includes Jesse’s blunderous lapse of judgement.
Posted by: blackdad | July 10, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Jesse Jackson was correct.
As an AA woman I felt obama was talking down to Black people. obama does this with the notion that black folks will still vote for him regardless.
Posted by: TO | July 10, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
How has Rev. Wright’s Trinity UCC teachings of Black Liberation Theology influenced Obama’s opinions and positions? And are we seeing the true Obama during this campaign? Or will we only see the real Obama’s views after he wins the White House? Does anybody know who the real Obama is?
Posted by: HoosierSue | July 10, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
As an African American women my views are completely different from “TO”. Sometimes within the African American community there is always a sense of lets blame the white people or “It’s because I’m black” and what I think Obama’s doing is he’s telling us to accept our responsiblities, especially black men. How is it we make an estimation of 13% of the United States population but about half of prison inmates. African American males are more likely to go to jail then attend college. It’s only getting and something needs to be done.
Posted by: Natasha | July 10, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
TO – Obama not only talks down to the AA community, his arrogance extends to everyone. I am one of the “bitter and clinging” ones. Obama is an arrogant fraud who changes his positions on the issues based upon what his current audience wants to hear. Jesse isn’t alone – Obama’s arrogance is amazing!!! This phony Obama is NOT presidential material!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: fairelection2008 | July 10, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Just bide your time Jesse, Obama is bound to getting around to the way you wish him to be. One never knows which way Obama will flop next.
Posted by: Mickey | July 10, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Since Obama is a male, is half-black, and was brought up without his father in the home, he has a good perspective, and has every right to discuss what needs to be said to black society, particularly males, about what it means to be a real father – it’s not just about impregnating all your girlfriends. If I’m not mistaken, some years ago wasn’t it Jesse Jackson himself, or someone else in the Black Community, who said “any male can be a father, it takes a Man to be a Dad.”
Posted by: geecee | July 10, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Jesse, bide your time, Obama will flip flop back to your way of thinking and then back to another’s way of thinking. That seems to be both party’s way of doing business these days. Obama and McCain change their beliefs and what they want done from month to month.
Posted by: Mickey | July 10, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Someone who is not afraid to tell you what you do not want to hear, but just the reality; that person is sincere and trustworth.
Obama you deserve my vote.
Posted by: Peace | July 10, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
As a black person who is NOT voting for Obama, I must say that many blacks who are voting for Obama don’t care about what he stands for only that he is black and they should vote for him.
Jesse Jackson’s wife, Jaquelin did not endorse Barack Obama during the primaries. Jesse is only backing him because he feels he has to as his duty as a black man.
This is pathetic. Obama is the biggest phony on earth.
Posted by: Samantha | July 10, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
come on , this was a pre-planned “circus event” to make Obama more palatable to righties .
Jackson took one for the “gibber”
Posted by: trettione | July 10, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
Samantha,
with all the despots in power on earth, to call Obama the biggest phony on earth….now that’s pathetic.
have some pride in our country & our system
Posted by: jAY | July 10, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
That may be true, but the girlfriends know the drill too, don’t they? They know what gets them pregnant. They know the guys they are choosing to have babies with are likely not going to be responsible parents. As a woman, I see women being about 50% responsible for the parenting mess we have on our hands.
Obama’s white mother was also often absent from the home, leaving her parents to partially raise Obama. So he has that experience to speak from as well.
Yet, as I said earlier, Obama never would have made a similar speech about bad mothering choices on Mother’s Day. His choice of Father’s Day was ill-considered. I’m no fan of Jesse Jackson, but I think he has a valid complaint, there.
Posted by: MayBee | July 10, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
MayBee,
You’re in a little too deep
if Obama gave a womans speech on Mothers Day. You particularly would attack him on that too
(you & Hillary give that speech)
next you’ll be looking to link Obama to split every demographic & side issue = 1000 speeches. He is running to represent ALL Americans.
Posted by: please | July 10, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
And the Academy Award for best actor goes to……Jessie Jackson for his performance in “Trying to Build Obama’s Credibility Among Whites” produced by David Axelrod and Barack Obama.
Jackson has been in front of the media for 40 years. He was a presidential candidate. He knows how the media — and “hot mics — operate. And we are to believe Jackson got duped by the oldest trick in the media book — the open mic?
Please. It’s laughable. Jackson took one for the team. Nothing more.
P.T. Obama has taken his theatrics to a new level and the minions are lapping it up. Meantime he continues to push his socialist agenda for America forward and the breathless are debating Jackson. The bonus is that Obama has made himself the poor victim — again.
Nice try, Obama, but Americans are smarter than you think.
Posted by: Tye | July 10, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
please:
if Obama gave a womans speech on Mothers Day. You particularly would attack him on that too
(you & Hillary give that speech)
====
No, I don’t want him to make that speech on Mother’s Day. The Father’s Day speech was poor timing. A bad choice. Unfair to fathers. He should have found a different day to do it (and included women), and celebrated good fathers on Father’s Day.
Posted by: MayBee | July 10, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
I’d vote for Jesse over Obama. At least you know where Jesse stands on an issue, and has the guts to commit to it.
I wonder who has done more for the AA community. Jesse or Obama.
Posted by: riley | July 10, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
I’s a big strategic plus for Obama. No matter what black folks will come out in record numbers to vote 90 to 95% for Obama. Tough love with the black community and angering the elder Jackson is a beautiful play. Then to have the younger Jackson come out to discipline his father reinforces that Obama’s “new” generation is different from the old guard in the black community. It’s too good to be pure happenstance. And from the clip it looks like Jackason whispers “he talks down to black people” at two separate times. He was going to make sure it got picked up.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | July 10, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
how was obama talking down to people by saying fathers should take resposibilty for their children what do you want him to say its ok make kids leave dont pay child support please people no matter what he says hes wrong you people are sad!!!!
Was the ‘hot mike’ bit staged in advance? Rev. Jackson got his 15 minutes of fame and good ole Obama came out looking like a corrupt politician again. It took the focus off his flip-flops and flop-flips. Neither Jackson nor Obama should have had the free ride.
Taking responsibility is not a liberal thing but blaming someone else is.
Posted by: Mary | July 10, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Jessie doesn’t want blacks to take responsibility for their own future, then what would Jessie do. Black hardship is Jessie’s job security.
Posted by: X marks the spot | July 10, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Get a grip Jay. Obama is the biggest case of racial black washing ever.
Now the media is saying that Jackson’s reputation is going down because of this. First it was the Clintons, then Wright. can’t people see that chaos follows anyone that is in Obama’s camp. BO is nothing but pure HYPE. From this to the Rolling Stone magazine cover.
Jesse Jackson is a fault for not speaking his mind earlier. He is a leader and is not following his principals which is why he is getting into trouble. He is too outspoken for this not to come out. I find it pathetic that he has such dislike for Obama but still supports him. That is not the Jesse we know.
As far has his reputation give me a break. I will never throw Jesse under the bus. Jesse was there by MLK’s side when he died. Jesse actually fought for civil rights. Jesse actually grew up underprivileged unlike FAKE Obama who claims he was disenfranchised yet had white grandparents send him to the best schools.
Obama uses weak blacks to support him. He talks down to them and I am glad Jesse called him on it. I just wish he did it openly.
For heaven’s sake you babbling fools.
This whole thing is just a media distraction, just like the fake economic prolems they have plagued us with and the lack of good coverage in the war we won back in 2003.
I agree with Phil Gramm. You Americans are just a bunch of whiners.
Perhaps when Jesse said what he did, maybe he was simply reacting to his fear of what Obama will do.
Obama is a radical leftist, possibly even a Marxist. He is not a liberal in the mold of Kennedy or Feingold. When he is lecturing on the morals of Black men he is giving us a window into what he would like to do: remake American culture. Perhaps Jesse sees this and fears it.
For Obama it is all about the power. His radical friends in Chicago, such as Wright, Pfleger, and Ayres, want to uproot four hundred years of American culture and replace it with their owns ideal culture, whatever that may be. This plan to radically remake America must be deeply ingrained in Obama.
Obama’s vision for America is probably foreign to anything the mainstream of America can imagine; just as we could hardly even comprehend the words coming out of Wright and Pfleger. Obama will play whatever game is necessary to get his hands on the reins of power. Once he does, look out.
Posted by: David H | July 10, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Jackson said nothing more than the progressive black community does not already know. Many in that community have been angry with Obama for quite some time over what they perceive to be his “speaking down” to black people, and for his willingness to pander to whites and their guilt without calling out the entrenched institutional biases that many believe continue to oppress the black community. There is a divide in the black community and not all blacks feel similarly about Obama. Many rejected Obama months ago for the reasons Jackson pointed out, among others. The fact is that Jackson spoke the truth as many people in the black community believe it to be. And many of those same people know that the only reason Obama has “transcended” the racial divide (and why Jackson could not) is because Jackson speaks the whole truth – and Obama does not.
Perhaps rather than focusing on Jackson’s error, the media could explore this important issue in some depth. Obama is not a unifying figure -even in his own community. And, regardless of the legitimacy of Jackson’s comments (and Obama’s), that is something we all ought to know more about.
“Jackson’s error”
Jackson didn’t MAKE an error — except to whisper, off-mic, what he SHOULD be shouting from the rooftops.
Posted by: Belle Starr | July 10, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Big deal! Do all the whites agree with Phil Gramm, or John McCain? Do all the women agree with Hillary Clinton, do all the men agree with…..?????????
Do any of us agree 100% with our chosen candidate?
What we really need is some coverage of some real news.
Jackson simply talks the truth. It’s not just the Pensylvannians thought that he is an elitist, but it’s Jackson as well. Obama does not have the moral authority to judge or preach anyone.
Jackson says Obama’s election means Americans are purging their guilt over the treatment of blacks.
Huh? Isn’t that THE race card?
I thought we were electing a President. Am I the only one who doesn’t feel guilty about blacks in America. I’m not saying there is no history, just that it’s history, I wasn’t there and I don’t feel guilty.
I’m voting for a competent President, not a burning a goat on the lawn to exorcise ancestral demons.
RE: TO
Maybe you feel Jackson was correct because you are not ready to give up those government checks. Obama said what needed to be said. As an AA woman,
I will be voting for Obama in November.
I do think Obama using Father’s Day to excoriate irresponsible fathers was untoward. He would never have done that to women on Mother’s Day.
Posted by: MayBee | July 10, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Barack Obama is so liberal that he talks about people taking responsibility for themselves and their family in virtually every speech he gives.
Obama 08
Posted by: John's conscience | July 10, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Oh don’t make a big thing of this, Jesse will still be Secretary of State and AL “i love all white people” Sharpten will be his chief of staff LMAO
Posted by: airmanc5 | July 10, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
As a Black father older than Obama and younger than Jasse, Obama is speaking and handling the father issue very appropriately.
He is speaking to fathers in general and to black fathers specifically, as a leader should. Lets be adults…. that includes Jesse’s blunderous lapse of judgement.
Posted by: blackdad | July 10, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Jesse Jackson was correct.
As an AA woman I felt obama was talking down to Black people. obama does this with the notion that black folks will still vote for him regardless.
Posted by: TO | July 10, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
How has Rev. Wright’s Trinity UCC teachings of Black Liberation Theology influenced Obama’s opinions and positions? And are we seeing the true Obama during this campaign? Or will we only see the real Obama’s views after he wins the White House? Does anybody know who the real Obama is?
Posted by: HoosierSue | July 10, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
As an African American women my views are completely different from “TO”. Sometimes within the African American community there is always a sense of lets blame the white people or “It’s because I’m black” and what I think Obama’s doing is he’s telling us to accept our responsiblities, especially black men. How is it we make an estimation of 13% of the United States population but about half of prison inmates. African American males are more likely to go to jail then attend college. It’s only getting and something needs to be done.
Posted by: Natasha | July 10, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
TO – Obama not only talks down to the AA community, his arrogance extends to everyone. I am one of the “bitter and clinging” ones. Obama is an arrogant fraud who changes his positions on the issues based upon what his current audience wants to hear. Jesse isn’t alone – Obama’s arrogance is amazing!!! This phony Obama is NOT presidential material!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: fairelection2008 | July 10, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Just bide your time Jesse, Obama is bound to getting around to the way you wish him to be. One never knows which way Obama will flop next.
Posted by: Mickey | July 10, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Since Obama is a male, is half-black, and was brought up without his father in the home, he has a good perspective, and has every right to discuss what needs to be said to black society, particularly males, about what it means to be a real father – it’s not just about impregnating all your girlfriends. If I’m not mistaken, some years ago wasn’t it Jesse Jackson himself, or someone else in the Black Community, who said “any male can be a father, it takes a Man to be a Dad.”
Posted by: geecee | July 10, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Jesse, bide your time, Obama will flip flop back to your way of thinking and then back to another’s way of thinking. That seems to be both party’s way of doing business these days. Obama and McCain change their beliefs and what they want done from month to month.
Posted by: Mickey | July 10, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Someone who is not afraid to tell you what you do not want to hear, but just the reality; that person is sincere and trustworth.
Obama you deserve my vote.
Posted by: Peace | July 10, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
As a black person who is NOT voting for Obama, I must say that many blacks who are voting for Obama don’t care about what he stands for only that he is black and they should vote for him.
Jesse Jackson’s wife, Jaquelin did not endorse Barack Obama during the primaries. Jesse is only backing him because he feels he has to as his duty as a black man.
This is pathetic. Obama is the biggest phony on earth.
Posted by: Samantha | July 10, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
come on , this was a pre-planned “circus event” to make Obama more palatable to righties .
Jackson took one for the “gibber”
Posted by: trettione | July 10, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
Samantha,
with all the despots in power on earth, to call Obama the biggest phony on earth….now that’s pathetic.
have some pride in our country & our system
Posted by: jAY | July 10, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
That may be true, but the girlfriends know the drill too, don’t they? They know what gets them pregnant. They know the guys they are choosing to have babies with are likely not going to be responsible parents. As a woman, I see women being about 50% responsible for the parenting mess we have on our hands.
Obama’s white mother was also often absent from the home, leaving her parents to partially raise Obama. So he has that experience to speak from as well.
Yet, as I said earlier, Obama never would have made a similar speech about bad mothering choices on Mother’s Day. His choice of Father’s Day was ill-considered. I’m no fan of Jesse Jackson, but I think he has a valid complaint, there.
Posted by: MayBee | July 10, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
MayBee,
You’re in a little too deep
if Obama gave a womans speech on Mothers Day. You particularly would attack him on that too
(you & Hillary give that speech)
next you’ll be looking to link Obama to split every demographic & side issue = 1000 speeches. He is running to represent ALL Americans.
Posted by: please | July 10, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
And the Academy Award for best actor goes to……Jessie Jackson for his performance in “Trying to Build Obama’s Credibility Among Whites” produced by David Axelrod and Barack Obama.
Jackson has been in front of the media for 40 years. He was a presidential candidate. He knows how the media — and “hot mics — operate. And we are to believe Jackson got duped by the oldest trick in the media book — the open mic?
Please. It’s laughable. Jackson took one for the team. Nothing more.
P.T. Obama has taken his theatrics to a new level and the minions are lapping it up. Meantime he continues to push his socialist agenda for America forward and the breathless are debating Jackson. The bonus is that Obama has made himself the poor victim — again.
Nice try, Obama, but Americans are smarter than you think.
Posted by: Tye | July 10, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
please:
if Obama gave a womans speech on Mothers Day. You particularly would attack him on that too
(you & Hillary give that speech)
====
No, I don’t want him to make that speech on Mother’s Day. The Father’s Day speech was poor timing. A bad choice. Unfair to fathers. He should have found a different day to do it (and included women), and celebrated good fathers on Father’s Day.
Posted by: MayBee | July 10, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
I’d vote for Jesse over Obama. At least you know where Jesse stands on an issue, and has the guts to commit to it.
I wonder who has done more for the AA community. Jesse or Obama.
Posted by: riley | July 10, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
I’s a big strategic plus for Obama. No matter what black folks will come out in record numbers to vote 90 to 95% for Obama. Tough love with the black community and angering the elder Jackson is a beautiful play. Then to have the younger Jackson come out to discipline his father reinforces that Obama’s “new” generation is different from the old guard in the black community. It’s too good to be pure happenstance. And from the clip it looks like Jackason whispers “he talks down to black people” at two separate times. He was going to make sure it got picked up.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | July 10, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
how was obama talking down to people by saying fathers should take resposibilty for their children what do you want him to say its ok make kids leave dont pay child support please people no matter what he says hes wrong you people are sad!!!!
Posted by: ANGIE | July 10, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Was the ‘hot mike’ bit staged in advance? Rev. Jackson got his 15 minutes of fame and good ole Obama came out looking like a corrupt politician again. It took the focus off his flip-flops and flop-flips. Neither Jackson nor Obama should have had the free ride.
Taking responsibility is not a liberal thing but blaming someone else is.
Posted by: Mary | July 10, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Jessie doesn’t want blacks to take responsibility for their own future, then what would Jessie do. Black hardship is Jessie’s job security.
Posted by: X marks the spot | July 10, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Get a grip Jay. Obama is the biggest case of racial black washing ever.
Now the media is saying that Jackson’s reputation is going down because of this. First it was the Clintons, then Wright. can’t people see that chaos follows anyone that is in Obama’s camp. BO is nothing but pure HYPE. From this to the Rolling Stone magazine cover.
Jesse Jackson is a fault for not speaking his mind earlier. He is a leader and is not following his principals which is why he is getting into trouble. He is too outspoken for this not to come out. I find it pathetic that he has such dislike for Obama but still supports him. That is not the Jesse we know.
As far has his reputation give me a break. I will never throw Jesse under the bus. Jesse was there by MLK’s side when he died. Jesse actually fought for civil rights. Jesse actually grew up underprivileged unlike FAKE Obama who claims he was disenfranchised yet had white grandparents send him to the best schools.
Obama uses weak blacks to support him. He talks down to them and I am glad Jesse called him on it. I just wish he did it openly.
Posted by: Samantha | July 10, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
For heaven’s sake you babbling fools.
This whole thing is just a media distraction, just like the fake economic prolems they have plagued us with and the lack of good coverage in the war we won back in 2003.
I agree with Phil Gramm. You Americans are just a bunch of whiners.
Posted by: ricky | July 10, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Perhaps when Jesse said what he did, maybe he was simply reacting to his fear of what Obama will do.
Obama is a radical leftist, possibly even a Marxist. He is not a liberal in the mold of Kennedy or Feingold. When he is lecturing on the morals of Black men he is giving us a window into what he would like to do: remake American culture. Perhaps Jesse sees this and fears it.
For Obama it is all about the power. His radical friends in Chicago, such as Wright, Pfleger, and Ayres, want to uproot four hundred years of American culture and replace it with their owns ideal culture, whatever that may be. This plan to radically remake America must be deeply ingrained in Obama.
Obama’s vision for America is probably foreign to anything the mainstream of America can imagine; just as we could hardly even comprehend the words coming out of Wright and Pfleger. Obama will play whatever game is necessary to get his hands on the reins of power. Once he does, look out.
Posted by: David H | July 10, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Jackson said nothing more than the progressive black community does not already know. Many in that community have been angry with Obama for quite some time over what they perceive to be his “speaking down” to black people, and for his willingness to pander to whites and their guilt without calling out the entrenched institutional biases that many believe continue to oppress the black community. There is a divide in the black community and not all blacks feel similarly about Obama. Many rejected Obama months ago for the reasons Jackson pointed out, among others. The fact is that Jackson spoke the truth as many people in the black community believe it to be. And many of those same people know that the only reason Obama has “transcended” the racial divide (and why Jackson could not) is because Jackson speaks the whole truth – and Obama does not.
Perhaps rather than focusing on Jackson’s error, the media could explore this important issue in some depth. Obama is not a unifying figure -even in his own community. And, regardless of the legitimacy of Jackson’s comments (and Obama’s), that is something we all ought to know more about.
Posted by: kdbono | July 10, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
“Jackson’s error”
Jackson didn’t MAKE an error — except to whisper, off-mic, what he SHOULD be shouting from the rooftops.
Posted by: Belle Starr | July 10, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Big deal! Do all the whites agree with Phil Gramm, or John McCain? Do all the women agree with Hillary Clinton, do all the men agree with…..?????????
Do any of us agree 100% with our chosen candidate?
What we really need is some coverage of some real news.
Posted by: Thinking | July 10, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Jackson simply talks the truth. It’s not just the Pensylvannians thought that he is an elitist, but it’s Jackson as well. Obama does not have the moral authority to judge or preach anyone.
Posted by: country_voter | July 10, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
Jackson says Obama’s election means Americans are purging their guilt over the treatment of blacks.
Huh? Isn’t that THE race card?
I thought we were electing a President. Am I the only one who doesn’t feel guilty about blacks in America. I’m not saying there is no history, just that it’s history, I wasn’t there and I don’t feel guilty.
I’m voting for a competent President, not a burning a goat on the lawn to exorcise ancestral demons.
Posted by: len | July 10, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
RE: TO
Maybe you feel Jackson was correct because you are not ready to give up those government checks. Obama said what needed to be said. As an AA woman,
I will be voting for Obama in November.
Posted by: Nita | July 11, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm