Obama Comes to Kabul

Thats the key point. Obama would not be able to go over their if it were not for the surge working.
We all know that have any sense you could not take out the terrorist in Afganistan with out taking out Iraq who would of been a worse unfriendly safe haven than Pakistan ever could be.
Obama grow up.

jause
of course the surge has made it okay for obama to visit…it has always been said that violence would go down…that was never the question duh…
the question is will that reduction in violence set up a situation where a government could get strong enough to hold down a civil war that is built on tribal differences that have gone on for 500 years…
the quietmness from the insurgents is based on two things…
promises of money and power and positions that do not exist…
and the fact that Obama has said we are leaving that is forcing the Iraqiis to step up and the insurgents to choose sides before the change… the side that has given them guns and money… the same game plan that got us Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban 2 decades ago.
and if you haven’t heard as of today Maliki is backing Obama’s plan.

There will be no need for a surge if Bush and McCain did not invade the wrong country with billions of dollars wasted and thousands of lives lost.
Osama bin Laden is still alive and well and without being punished for what he did to America

as of Mlaiki’s comments today…this election is almost done…lol

So the Princess Obama tour has commenced.Hope he has the military chain of command figured out and second, wondering if he’ll yet again “refine” his position on Iraq.CHANGE!

“Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki says U.S. troops should leave Iraq “as soon as possible, as far as we are concerned.” He then continued: “U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months.”
There goes another example of Obama’s judement. Sen. McCain says if we were to follow Obama’s Iraqi War plan the United States would have been defeated.
False.
If we had followed Obama Iraqi War plan, we would have never been a war to begin with.
I just find it ironic both McCain and Bush are adopting Obama’s foreign policies and won’t give credit to where credit is due.

Jane do you ever think that Iraq would of been a safe haven for terrorist strikes against gains made in Afghanistan if we did not destroy Iraq first. Pakistan has become a safe haven so why not Iraq under Saddam just to mess with Americans in Afghanistan. Its not like Saddam Huessein was a good friend of America

We got a new rock and roll king, and his name is Obama.

being
as bad as saddam was…
he was a power ogre… it is well reported like Biden said early on…that al quaeda hated him…and he hated them…even if Cheney tried to make it sound like they were in cahoots…
that was a lie.
surprise surprise again.
They took a cork off a bad situation and now are trying to put another cork in…
of course like they did in Iran and Afghanistan decades ago they are just looking short term by giving insurgents guns and money… for a political temporary reprieve…
that is why John McCaine is saying we need to stay for 100 years because they are setting up a situation like we have seen before blow up in our faces.
all for a temporary political gain.
but the American people can’t afford 100 years.
this war was tragic…globally and historically and nationally mistake.

being: to answer your question, the harrassment from within Iraq would have been non-existent. There was a weak coalition once-upon-a-time aimed at solving the situation in Afghanistan whereas now, this country has isolated itself and we are feeling the effects through our economy. The terrorist responsible for 9/11 are hiding out in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, end of story.

Afghanistan and Iraq are two completely different situations…
that is the problem with McCain and Bush and Cheney in the first place…they did not understand the culture or country.
one has a 500 year tribal war between two large factions…
afghanistan has many warlords, drug income and al quaeda headquartered on their border.
two very different cultural situations.
Obama is right…McCain Bush and Cheney are wrong.

Without McCain’s challenge to vist the war zone, this guy won’t even bother.
Now, B.S. Obama gets all the publicity, with the far left media all smiles. What a screwup on McCain’s camp. A respectful campaign is a sign of surrender. Wake up, JM, let’s give republicans a real fighting chance. It
will be a disaster if the Democrats control all three branches of the Government.

The sabre rattling about Iran distresses me. The whole set-up reminds me of the pre-Iraq War talk. I do agree Iran poses a threat to world peace, but the U.S. can’t afford to go it alone, not this time. This is one struggle, the U.S. will not be able to shoot its way out of folks. Only wisdom will see us through this one…

Micc
the republicans have been in control the last 6 years and just look at the disaster!!!!

The situation on the ground won’t be known by either Obama or McCain vacation trip to Afghanistan. The situation on the ground will be known only by Soldiers or officials who remain there for at least for one year and study it thoroughly. Then these Soldiers and officials should given an update of the situation. Based on that study, the US Govt should taken an action.

Between this weekend with Maliki’s comments, gramm stepping down, Obama’s travel…
Mccain luckily is going to start sliding.
It should be the one issue we don’t ever discuss is McCain’s overwhelming push for us to go to war with Iraq in the first place…
he was one of the biggest players outside of Cheney and Bush…in the push to go. Go look it up.
and now he is laying the groundwork for Iran…
he is an old man with a cold war view of the world still…that is a HUGE problem.
He thinks military tactics will solve this problem.
They may help solve a violence problem…but not a sociological, diplomatic and political one…and at the cost of a financial and military abomination.
and the tactics being used with the insurgents are the the ones that gave us the Taliban, OBL and others…

Posted by: erb0087 | Jul 19, 2008 10:54:16 AM “wondering if he’ll yet again “refine” his position on Iraq.CHANGE!”
He dam well better. Any great Commander and Chief changes and refines his plan based on the current situation.

Woman4Obama: “balancing?” “budget?” “McCain?” Oh my! Those words should never be written into the same sentence! LOL

Lets see Obamas military record? OUCH!

Eric: what does military service have to do with being the President of the U.S.? Last time I checked, the military teaches its members to obey orders, even stupid orders from Bushie. Since when did military service become the golden key to the White House?

Every time a US politician went to VIETNAM to “learn about the situation on the ground” the generals told him exactly what THEY were required to say in order to KEEP THEIR JOBS: “We’re making progress.” “The enemy is tough, but our troops are tougher.” “If we stay optimistic and keep the pressure on, we’ll win for sure.” etc. etc. and other CANNED FEEL-GOOD stuff. The reality in Afghanistan is that it’s like Europe in the 14th century with dozens of “robber barons” in their little fiefdoms and castles throwing their weight around, extorting money from the local economy, growing rich off opium crops, and so forth. These warlords aren’t terrorists dangerous to America – they’re terrorists to their own local population. No matter HOW MANY AMERICAN TROOPS you send into that kind of chaos, it isn’t going to fix it!

DL thats a pretty pathetic excuse. So when is an acceptable time frame to fix this mess? No matter what, 4 years from now we as a country will still be screwed. Doesnt matter if its Obama or McCain they both suck!

Eric: So I guess that disqualifies McCain then? So I guess government service doesn’t count as a “real job” then right? Only private sector work counts for “real work?” Is that what your implying by your statement about him never having run a company?

Eric
can you expain to us why bush and mccain are agreeing with obamas policy??

Eric
I don’t think they both suck…
I think McCain is just an old man who is stuck in a mindset that is military …and thought we could go nation build…
like some valiant thing…illogical, financially stupid, overwhelmingly dumb… as he was the guy standing with Bush and Cheney saying it’ll be long and hard but we should go to war with iraq…he thinks everyone is like his father, his grandfather and Lt. Dan from Forrest Gump… that being American means going to war to solve problems. even if he doesn’t like war…his math in his head has to do with war. That’s how he solves problems.
Obama is trying to fight the good fight… I saw him speak and answer questions trying to get to the right thing. Not the politically advantageous thing…but the right thing.
McCain did the same but like I said his brain works like a military official out of the Reagan administration…but that does not mean that it works like Reagans.
Bush broke it …we bought it. Now he will go retire and drink his tea on his ranch in Texas and Cheney will go hunt people in Montana.
all the while a very messy situation is left for the rest of us.
Even if you are not crazy about what you have seen from either…
Vote for the smart guy who realizes that our answers are not just invasion and bombs…and tax cuts for the wealthy…and his lobbyist campaign staffs clients.

Listen to the stupid Obama people saying Bush is coming around to Obama’s plans for withdrawing from Iraq. When Obama first said he would remove troops from Iraq, if the USD would have done what he wanted at the time he first said it, we would have had a blood bath and a diaster on our hands because thongs were so bad in Iraq. But Bush decided to send in more troops (the Surge) to help steady the situation oin the ground. McCain had been saying all along we needed more troops in Iraq. The surge made Iraq a better place and withdrawal of US forces is now possible without a diaster. But if we haqd done what Obama wanted we would have had a diaster. AND OBAMA WAS AGAINST THE SURGE. And as for Iran. Bush sent a diplomat to the talks being held in Europe with Iran and Iran started it off by saying they would not ever stop enriching uranium no matter what. So I ask how can you negotiate with Iran?

Bush and McSame are already copying most of Obama’s foreign policy suggestions. I’m glad to see Obama go to these countries and see things firsthand. He will have a relationship with the leaders and will be able to get America back on the right track quickly after his election.

Isnt Obama adorable….he’s trying to act all grown up!! LOL

What a crock. Obama isn’t qualified to run a girl scout troop much less the most powerful nation on Earth. Besides, he made his policy speeches *before* he flew to Iraq and Afghanistan for the photo ops…
Vote for McCain.

Lets see Obamas military record? OUCH!
Posted by: Eric | Jul 19, 2008 11:26:01 AM
Not having a military record does not disqualify a person from being President.
Having a military record does not qualify a person to be president.

How much are tickets for his tour?

Iraq is a sovereign nation and as of the end of this year, we are officially “guests” with a mandate from the UN expiring. When the Prime Minister of a sovereign nation asks that UN mandated troops leave, under the UN charter they must leave. End of story. So, the Bush administration can either continue to tell the Iraqis that we know what’s best for them or we can allow that nation to stand up for themselves. I say its time to take off the training wheels and let the people of that sovereign nation handle their own affairs. It looks as though Obama gets this and that McCain has the security interests of the oil companies on his agenda. Why else would he want to keep troops and American bases there for 100 years? That’s when the oil will run out.

It is sad to see Obama get into a military macho image building gimmicks. Sad because, I dont think he beleives in it, but is compelled to tow the line because he knows how badly Americans are hooked on military-talk. The addition is not just for oil, but also for wars and sabre-rattling. I hope Obama returns to his original conviction and lead america to a real CHANGE…a move away from being the war-makers of the world.

The last thing I want, is a senile old man who wears Depends at night and does not know who were fighting, or where were fighting, responsible for the safety of Billions of people.
Hell, if the phone rang at 3:00am, he couldn’t hear it!

JD, the invasion of Iraq was not unjust. We and the UN Security Council diplomatically tried to persuade Saddam Hussein to comply with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire–to which he agreed in total. One of those conditions was if Iraq no longer had WMDs then Saddam Hussein was required to prove they had been destroyed. He failed to do this, even after the UN Security Council issued its final ultimatum. When the UN Security Council decided not to follow through on its ultimatum, President Bush issued his own final ultimatum. When Saddam Hussein still refused to comply, President Bush terminated the cease fire. He ordered the invasion with the authority of the UN mandate AND the approval of the U. S. Congress and in accordance with Congress’ 1998 authorization for regime change in Iraq.

I seen the Jr. Sen. Obama at a table with the “officials” in Kabul this morning. He looked a little lost and confused. Hope he’s ok. LOL

This guys is a clown. And the media is his circus. He is so out of place its funny. He has no idea what the hell is going on over their and if we elect him our country will a sorry state, more sorry then it is currently.
MCCAIN IS THE ONLY ANSWER

JO
then can you please explain to us why the iraq goverment is saying obama is right, now bush is adopting obamas plans diplomatic talks, considering troops be moved from iraq into afghan also now bush is speaking about a timetable withdraw why are these people now coming around to what obama has been saying please explain JO

Take back America,Barack…not
The last thing many of us want is for a punk not yet out of training political diapers “who does not know who were fighting, or where were fighting, responsible for the safety of Billions of people.”
“Hell, if the phone rang at 3:00am,” he’d be sucking his thumb.

Yes, Angie, you are correct about 2 brigades (not birgades) being removed every month and then Mr. Obama wants to leave just enough “help” to protect our Embassy there. This is so unrealistic that it should send a shiver down your spine. The terrorist just need to wait out the time and then come back into Iraq—how easy can we make it for them. Meanwhile we expand and go into Afghanistan and now Obama is saying Pakistan (which has nuclear weapons). Obama has a plan for “change” for America but you are going to be really surprised at the change, Angie. And, I did get my facts straight!

Barack Obama is a wise man. I can’t wait until he’s president.

The reason that so many leaders are willing to meet with J Wright’s flock member speaks very little of him, but much more of their respect for America, and how we have remained strong under George W Bush.

Mccain has already met all of these foreign leaders. Been there done that. The only reason Nobama is going is for a political stunt. Kind of like when he told the fathers of black babies to be a father and stay home with your family. Bill Cosby did that 8 years ago, where was he then or where has he been with this unitl now.
The reason foreign leaders want to meet with him, they are feeling him out just in case we are dumb enough to elect him, they want to know how to walk all over him. Which is exactly what will happen. DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS BAFFOON.

yea i remember mccain going to afghanistan
lol what nope
he spent time in iraq like a moron… look how secure it is
fifty troops 3 black hawks… see its safe here
lol mccain is the most pathetic candidate i have ever seen

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This shows which side BHO (Bone Headed Obama) is on? This also proves that his plan in in the best interest of Al-Maliki and not in the best interest of America.
What a joke BHO has become!

well angie

Angie-
What happens if WW3 should happen and for no fault of any american leader. Who would you rather have protecting us then. Some one with absolutely no clue on how to handle a situation like that and some one who would take the money from our defense fund to give it to more programs for people who don’t want to work hard for themselves. Come on!! Open your eyes- girl- think.

[[["Hell, if the phone rang at 3:00am," he'd be sucking his thumb.]]]
If the phone rang at 3:00am he’d be calling Hillary up to help him out.

this was great. bye for now

McCain IS Dr, Strangelove. Does anyone remember that?

CJ – I’d rather sign up for all that than 4 more years of George Bush.

Ooops. I meant last post to angie. My mistake.

What is a “artificial” time line?
Senator Obama’s plans for a 16 month withdrawal have always included the flexibility to modify. Exact same as a “time horizon”. The Bush-McCain Administration has gone from 100 years in Iraq to a “time horizon”.
You say FLIP, and I’ll say FLOP.
The media’s tepid reporting of this story is HYSTERICAL! The Iraquis agree with Senator Obama.
Game. Set. Match.

cj
in a world of his own to bad hes not in reality like the rest of us he lives in mcbush world its ok cj we understand someone has to live in senoir moments!!!!!

CJ – I understand your position. Please understand mine. I know what McCain is all about. I know where he stands on the issues and I honestly disagree with him a great deal. I think his economic and foreign policies mirror those of George Bush’s just a little bit to close for my comfort. I think Bush’s policies have been a complete disaster and thus so will McCain’s. Obama on the other hand offers a new directions, something different. There’s a stark contrast between what’s been done the last 8 years and what he wants to do as president. And that what I want. A new direction, a change in economic policies and a change in foreign policies. If you want to call that waving a magic wand, that’s fine. Whatever it is I’m all for it.

CJ- When did Obama claim to be the Messiah, I believe it was you Republicans who placed all those titles on him. I agree with Phillip on all accounts. No one in their right minds want 4 more years of this mess.

CJ,
I understand. There is so much fake about the BHO candidacy. After all, he served in the senate for a whole year before he began his run. That’s 1/20 as long as he attended MR Wright’s so-called church.

rodney: It is time to ignore your posts as they DO NOT have ANY SUBSTANCE – same as your beloved Bone Headed Obama. You dream on and go back to your Obama zombie state.

Mark my words, Obama’s future diplomacy as President will be what causes Iran to change their tune regarding their nuclear ambitions. Iran will never give Bush and his clowns the satisfaction of ending this stalemate. Just like when Iran laughed in Jimmy Carter’s face with the hostages in 1980, not until Reagan took office and Carter was seen as a disgraced failure did Iran let the hostages go free. Iran would like nothing better then to wait until Bush is out of office before negotiating and resolving this. It would be seen as the ultimate slap to the Bush administration legacy.

When will Barrack and his media sycophants be arriving back in these “57″ United States of America? Remember “potatoe?”

CJ – I’m glad you’re willing to debate POLICY stances, which is what we should be talking about rather than where somebody went to church and who his so-called acquaintances are and what they did. McCain not only wants to extend Bush’s tax-cuts for the wealthy, but actually wants to give the weatlhy even more tax-cuts. These tax-cuts have done nothing but make the rich folks richer at the expense of us middle-classers. They have grown the national debt, not to mention failed to spur job growth. Obama says lets roll back those tax-cuts for the wealthy and give some tax relief to those who really need it. I can’t really argue against that since I’m one of those who need that tax relief. With regards to capital gains, Obama only wants to bring them back to the level they were at during the Clinton years, maybe a litte higher. And also, he only wants to raise on those making $250,000 a year or more. They can afford to suck it up. Don’t even get me started on coporate tax breaks. I can’t stomach any more tax breaks for Exxon. I think Obama is on the side of the middle-class, McCain wants to continue to look out for the wealthy and big business.

DonG-
Thats all you can find to bash him on. You know darn well he was speaking about the number of primaries! Should we go over all the misspeaks of the other candidates during that time and after? Give it a rest.

as crucial it is to those politician like mr brown and mr MCcain on accomplishing evrything for the Iraqis the afghans the czekoscovakians ect’ect’t I feel that it is crucial and more a obligation to Me to share and ask the American people to realy take a moment and look at thing not as usure to be in hence and be more cautious to ask and secure a better future for thamselfs the children’s and the children’s children’s we simply cant trust this empty retoric and unrealistics promess inymore ther-for we must vote for changed and so far only senator Obama have been sound.It’s time to see America and it’s children’s,so help us GOD and give us wisdom to walk.GOD Bless America Oh yes He Has and will.

reaganrepublican – Reagan’s economic policies stunk almost as bad as Bush’s. If your memory serves you you’ll remember that the last recessions we had was during the Regan’s years. He represented the same old republican brand that has constantly screwed the middle-class. Talking about some phanton “trickle down” effect. If you don’t tax businesses then they’ll create jobs. What a load of bull. What Obama means by change? You just haven’t been listening.

Thsi is all for show! Obama knows “nothing” about this war. First he said we should pull out of Iraq, then he said he’ll leave it up to the armed forces. The guy’s nuts!!

IIasaap: No one has to be a rocket scientist to know about this war. EVERYONE in their right minds knows about this war. The question is, what do you know about this war?

NOBAMA – And how exactly did invading Iraq make us safer? Answer? It didn’t. It was stupid.

Rodney: You prove my point that McCain has much better and broad energy plan than the Bone Headed Obama. We need energy independence. McCain is saying that in addition to the alternate energy, green energy initiative (where BHO’s plan stops) we need to start drilling and generating nuclear power here in America. Technology has advanced so much that there is almost no environmental hazard in both. Thus Obama needs to get out of the 1970s thinking. McCain is also for the ‘clean coal’. Obama opposese drilling, clean coal, nuclear power etc. Thus who has better policies now?

CJ – It sounds like you are looking for the perfect President,news flash…there isn’t one. Instead of focusing on capital gains taxes, how about how much more are we going to borrow from China to pay for Iraq, that’s far more important than some darn captial taxes.

cj
dont know where you got that from–obama stated months ago about wind power and such and was laughed at—-however we have 13 large wind generators in our area and 57 more under construction—i had to set people straight on that subject as they were totally ignorant—-we had nuclear pilot plant i believe in the sixties that ran on spent rods from conventional nuke plants–it was estimateed that if this tec was used we had enough sitting around to power our country for 1000 years-carter closed it down due to pressure from greenpeace—and slick willy had it torn down—-i would suspect by big oil and possible corruption.

JimmyTMac: Obama has said that he will raise the capital gains tax all the up to 28% if necessary. He also wants to raise the payroll taxes which hurts the individual/small/mediam business owners.

bush back in power mcbush—what a nightmare—to many bumps on head

alchemist
you must realize some people never learn.

Jtmac- have we been hit at home since 9/11. We are destroying the enemy on their home front not ours. Or would you prefer to have them fighting on our soil. I guess it would have been ok to go into Darfur with all the genocide that was going on their. But not IRAQ. Answer that one. Why would we complain about IRAQ but support going into Darfur. NOBAMA the NOexperience candidate.

Not trying to raise the dead….
Just give credit where credit is due…

Those fighters in iraq is laying low , it has nothing to do with any surge working.
they know we are in a climate of a election , they will go nuts if Mccain gets in, and say we need to stay in their land permanent.

CJ – Yes it does make a difference if you are a democrat, republican or independent if your own words says you are not. Your words determines if you’re credible or not. So far you’re not. Again NO ONE in their RIGHT mind would vote for 4 more years of this mess.

vote4peace:
You say that like it’s a bad thing…..

vote4peace: Last thougt. If you are an Obama supporter then please DO NOT talk about credibility because that is what BHO DOES NOT have. Any proud American will trust McCain over Obama on ‘credibility’. And by the way I am an American who does not believe in partisanship.

CJ
IF YOU WANT TO BE OBJECTIVE KEEP IT SHORT AND TO THE POINT—OR NO ONE WILL READ IT.

vote4peace:
9/11 happened under every American’s watch.
We are all in this together……..

vote4peace: My long post shows why Obama does NOT have credibility. Please prove how Obama has more credibility than McCain rather than making a statement.

Lance – The writing is on the wall. Everybody knows who’s election this is to lose. Don’t fight it. 9 out of 10 smart people agree.

NOBAMA – I think you’ve been successfully been brainwashed by Cheney and Rove. I can sit here and absolutely positively assert without any shadow of a doubt that the United States of American would never under any circumstance ever have sent 150,000 American troops to Darfur. Nor would Obama or any democrat support that. Spend a trillion dollars? Don’t make me laugh. There’s a huge difference between and intervention and an all out invasion. What we did to Iraq? An all out ivasion? What was proposed for Darfur? Just an intervention. Must like the U.S. has done in the past in places like Somalia.

vote4peace: Unfortunately for you to know – 25% of Hillary supporters are already in McCain camp and the number is growing – as we all know more and more about BHO’s inabilities, inexperience and ant-american policies and friends.

CJ – Correction, 25% of Hillary’s FORMER supporters are voting for McCain whereas 75% of her REAL supporters are voting Democrat.

CJ _ How has McCain distanced himself from Bush when he agreed with him 95% of the time?

CJ – You are so wrong. The TRUE Hillary supporters are with her through thick and thin, and would want to help keep all her hard work alive. The FORMER supporters are possibly going to McCain or staying home.

Wow, disagree with Obama and his policies, but lay off the business of calling him unpatriotic. That’s unamerican and wrong.

Well I see that the haters are up and at ‘em once again…lol. Looks like GWB has agreed to talks with Iran….something Obama said should have happened a long time ago….again proving himself smart. This trip abroad will solidify his standing as our next President. He will be warmly embraced at every stop. Barack has elevated himself in the eyes of not just this country but the world as well….and deservingly so. All of you people that hate on Barack because he is not Hillary are just ignorant. Just admit you are a republican and spare us all the BS. Obama ’08

Rodney – that’s turning out to be so true, because no one in their RIGHT mind would want 4 more years Republican rule. All respect goes to those former Republicans though, because at least they are honest & adult enough to admit where the country has gone wrong and are voting for change this time around.

vote4peace: The bone headed title is already taken by your Obama. Looks like you and Rodney like ot live in 70s and 80s like Obama and his radical friends. You guys need to start living in today’s world and then you will see why McCain is the better choice we have now (Hillary would have been the best)

Just remember, Obama is for change. What kind of change–dunno. What is he gonna change–dunno. What has he done in the past–dunno. What will he do if elected president–CHANGE!! Change what–dunno. what kind of change–dunno. But if he is elected president he will CHANGE———

Tom – The one major thing Obama is going to change is the WORLD perception of us because right now they think we are ALL idiots, and what we have to do is show them it’s was just the Republicans who are. What message are we going to send if McCain wins.

vote4peace: How will Obama change the world perception about us? dunno…

vote4peace: Talk substance please. Still can not come with a single reason to defend BHO on the TRUE statements I made earlier – huh?

CJ – You don’t really think McCain will win the women vote do you? You know better than that. A majority of them like the right to choose. It’s been studied.

vote4peace said: The one major thing Obama is going to change is the WORLD perception of us because right now they think we are ALL idiots, and what we have to do is show them it’s was just the Republicans who are. What message are we going to send if McCain wins.
I am always amazed at the distortions presented by using the words “All, never, always, not a single one, etc.”
If the world thinks ALL Americans are idiots, then that would include Obama, his wife, the senate, the congress, and the list goes on. Because ALL of us are idiots, right? And as for it being JUST the Republicans? Again, in your desire to “present” the truth, you distort your own answers with absolutes that simply, are NOT true.

I love Obama. He is the best and most intelligent future president we had in long, long time.
He not only knows what he is doing but he knows how to deal with the things to come.
He is a great strategist.

Andy said: “I love Obama. He is the best and most intelligent future president we had in long, long time.
He not only knows what he is doing but he knows how to deal with the things to come.
He is a great strategist.”
Andy, I certainly value your right to your own opinion. However, I would very much like to know exactly what he has “strategized” on? Englighten me.

CJ – You are just another out of touch Republican, the dollar is the weakest it ever been. What are you talking about? If our own approval rating of Bush is in the low 20′s, what makes you the think the world opinion of us so high. All the things you state only proves loud and clear, YOU WERE NEVER A DEMOCRAT. The World doesn’t hate us because we are a super power, they hate us because they feel we are bullies. How much of a super power are we now that we owe China trillions of dollars?

JimmyTMac: I can smell the change but it smells really bad. I do not belive in polls so early in the election. If these polls are true in October then I will agree. I was giving you my reasoning behind why women will vote for McCain and I stand by it. Wait until the DNC convention. There is a 2 million+ group of women led by a New Yorker

Mr. Obama bubble is about to burst. The former ‘community organizer’ has adopted the reckless national-security advice of George Soros and MoveOn.org in order to win nomination. He continuously speaks about the lack of judgement of those supporting victory in Iraq, yet he’s continually demonstrated his lack of judgement on the most obvious–denouncing the surge not a month after it started, insisting on time-lines for withdrawal before meeting with commanders on the ground announcing a willingness to meet with dictators and despots unconditionally.

Gee, Vote..We aren’t #1? Gosh, and here I thought China was still a communist country who trampled on the rights of its citizens and murdered hundred of thousands when they didn’t see things “their way” and only allowed their folks to have ONE child…but again. I could be wrong. As for there being homelessness, crime, financial worries…Yes, they exist here. And they always will. But what you seem to so easily overlook (and I must admit your naive outlook is refreshing), we are FREE. When was the last time a MAJOR government called on China to bail em out of any trouble?
China is a MAJOR economic factor in this global economic schematic. BUT, the fact remains they are NOT a free country and that fact, in MY humble opinion, takes them out of the running for the #1 spot. But don’t worry about any of this, cause when Obama wins, well he’s gonna change all that. He told us so. And he may just free China to boot!

Jill: Lastly, I didn’t say that Europe counts as the rest of the world, I thought your mind was opened enough to pick this up, guess not, so I’ll explain it in easy terms, they are just a sample of what others in the WORLD thinks of us.

Not to take anything away from Obama – but this the first year on earth that I am ashamed of the press and those who run it.
They are so slanted in their views it has become obvious to all. What ever happened to reporting the news?? To report Obama made a three pointer is taking it a bit far. Bet you would not have reported it if he missed?
That why we all miss Tim Russert – but the press is too stupid to figure that out. He was fair – he didn’t make the news he reported it. They called Tom back why I will never know for all the good it did. They might as well put Gregory or the fool Obermann in charge of Meet the Press.
My only hope is that some day the press become a news agency again instead of a bunch of readers with their own personal slant on everything and always left of center.
If we were to back into history many of these so called reporter/readers would have been fired if not tried for treason. Yes treason – its not such a huge reach.
So to all you reporter/readers shame on you – a most un-American bunch of losers – I am not alone – or some nut – why do you think the democratic congress is rated so low? I guess the great unwashed know something after all.

Well Americans want us to leave Iraq, Obama wants us to leave Iraq, the Prime Minster of Iraq wants us to leave Iraq, and Iraqis want us to leave Iraq who is not on board with the plan…

jason
follow the money—who is bidding on the oil in iraq?????????

obama is a puppet
—–i guess that makes mccain the DUMMY

It’s good that McCain, Bush and Nouri al-Maliki, all see the wisdom in the Obama policy. What upsets me the most about this trip is the fact that John McCain released their travel itinerary before hand. This is absolutely against military protocol and has placed not only Senator Obama in possible danger, but all who are traveling with him. One would expect more from someone such as McCain who touts his military experience. What would happen if he were to become President when he can’t be trusted to keep something as simple as a travel itinerary secret?

MCCAIN HAS ENOUGH PROBLEM FINDING THE BATHROOM—-SURE HOPE YOU ARE NOT GIVING HIM CREDIT FOR SOMETHING INTELLIGENT—-WOW

hmmmmmm—mccain is a parrot absolutely not smart enough to have any intelligent thought—–as for pulling strings—that would be theorapy for the old geser

Don’t ask Don’t tell is a really really stupid policy.

and a few other freaks—limbaugh –rove

hey junior
MY FAMOUS WORDS—WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING THERE—-most military personel feel the same but obey orders as they should.their job

AT LEAST OBAMA IS NOT HIDING ON A MILITARY BASE, LIKE BUSH DID.

let me put it this way—–the old dinosaures have to go –the world is getting more and more complicated–and requires a younger better thinking well educated person–it is time we get past the race color or crede thing—–believe i know —AND I FELT THE SAME WAY WHEN I VOTED FOR JFK–TELLS YOU SOMETHING DONT IT.

JUNIOR
I can’t read your ALL CAPS very well. Would you type normally? Thanks!

HEYWHEELS
MCCAIN CANNOT AT TIMES KEEP A TRAIN OF THOUGHT—-if you think bush is bad this guy is far worse—–age is a fact of life and mccain is not to swift to start with—–read my last post carefully an perhaps you will understand–i know his whole history—if it insults you so be it.

Whatever direction the political wind blows, I’ll be voting for my country, not my party. If given a choice, I would prefer a liar for President than a hypocrite. But when Obama is both, his political wind blows in no direction and in every direction.

Bush’s years have not been too bad? What planet have you been living on? One of the bottom ten presidents in history! Obama is one of the brightest minds in the county! As a Ind. voter there is little choice this time, Obama!

Obama was right. Afghanistan was left to flounder while we attacked Iraq for no real reason. There weren’t Al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq before we invaded the second time.
We created a country that will at least tilt toward Iran.
More likely thanks to Bush/McCain we will re-imagine “peace with honor” and leave Iran in the driver seat.
The best case will be effectively a three province partitioned country with Shiites, Sunnis and the guys up in the north who Turkey doesn’t like.
Fools seem to claim the country is better. It is better than the mess we created but one can truly argue if the citizens are better off after 5 years of the chaos we caused versus Saddam running things.

Just hope Obama is paying for this trip.. I certainly hope when McCain and Obama go overseas, they are both paying for this on there own. We Americans can bearly pay for gas food and fuel never mind trips overseas for 2 men that are neither one a president.. And just think Obama made 52 million dollars for his campaign in 30 days, I know he can certainly afford to pay and think of all this free publicity he is getting, Im waiting for the Obama concert to start scheduling his concerts..

TheObama is in Afghanistan. Is he going to finally hold a hearing for the Aghanistan committee he has headed for the past three years with no thought whatsoever. Perhaps the Obama can teach the poor Afghans how to put the ball through the hoop, thereby bringing them peace.
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Bring the Obama back safely, oh Lord, for the sake of the zombies
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And what would it be if Iraq does become a democracy in the middle east but one of the greatest military accomplishments of all time.

“Posted by: erb0087 | Jul 19, 2008 10:54:16 AM “wondering if he’ll yet again “refine” his position on Iraq.CHANGE!”
Posted by: Take America Barack”
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That was the poster behind me.
It’s hard to tell on this forum, who posted what.

Interesting! I see that many of the Obama haters write, and express themselves quite well. They would go a lot further in life if they were as well-read as they can write. On the issue of Iraq, please put the 9/11 Commission report, the Duelfer report, and the Iraq study group report at the top of your list. If you still don’t realize you’ve been had (as to our entry into Iraq), google the term “cognitive dissonance”. They might then be able to see what others see in their inability to think outside of the boxes they’ve trapped themselves in. Talk about thinkin’ that they’re thinkin’… But, then again, as politico James Carville recently said, in reference to the satirical New Yorker cover of the Obamas: Let ‘em believe what they want; hell, some people still believe the Earth is flat and that the world is only 5,000 years old! Nothin’ you say or do is gonna get them to change their minds!

Turns out the Iraqi PM DOES NOT back Obama’s plan. It was translated wrong. Obama is such an elitist!

paul——-and then add in the innocent iraq men women and children killed or crippled–as they seem to be the forgotten casulties—it is a shame that so many have suffered and died on both sides—and for nothing.

Rodney,
We lost the war in Vietnam, we are on the verge of winning it in Iraq thanks to people like McCain who supported the surge. OBVIOUSLY, McCain DID learn a lot from Vietnam.
Apparently, McCain took a very unpopular position by supporting the surge, while Obama took the safe position, but McCain was dead right.
That’s the mark of a true leader. Someone who doesn’t pander to popular opinion in order to do what he knows will benefit the country in the end.

ja
and exactly what do you think we will have won—and at what cost financialy—and at what cost in HUMAN lives.—-oh i forgot oil companies are bidding on iraq oil——there is absolutely no excuse for this war except to make a few more billionairs—–mccain learn nothing from nam what would be his next step iran

Rodney,
There are two issues at play here. Should we have gone to war in Iraq in the first place? – Probably no.
But that is not what we are discussing. The question is, given we were already in Iraq, should we have supported the surge to tame the violence, or pull out and declare defeat?
Obviously the surge worked. We will now be able to set up a DEMOCRATIC ALLY in the middle east. Had we pulled out when Obama wanted to, the country would be overrun with Al Qaeda, civil war, genocide and more humanitarian crisis.
Please just admit that McCain was right about the surge and Obama was wrong, and let’s move on. Why is it so difficult for Obama and his ego to admit he was simply WRONG, and that his plan would have led to more humanitiarian crises?

Rodney,
Ageism is a form of bias as well. Your claim about McCain not knowing what country he’s talking about is the lame one.
If you ask me, I’d rather have an old president than one who can’t control his ADDICTIONS.
But these aren’t reasons to vote. Just reasons that people like you use to try to bash other people when you have no real arguments to put forward.

Rodney,
Once again you display your ignorance of the situation in the middle east.
Iraq is now a country on the verge of a true democracy, with general elections. The FIRST in the Middle East.
We do not need to change the behavior of all the people in the MIddle East, just the GOVERNMENTS. The people in those countries weren’t happy, especially under Hussein, they lived in fear. These people are hungry for change. The surge worked.
Sorry, but you were wrong, Obama was wrong, even I was wrong………and McCain was right, the surge worked.

Rodney,
I don’t think Obama will be able to stop smoking. He’s tried already several times and failed.
If anything, I’d be worried about what Jeremy wrote – Obama reverting to harder drugs like crack, which he was addicted to before.
We need a strong leader who can CONTROL HIMSELF, let alone be Commander-in-Chief and run a nation. This does not bode well. Sorry. That man is weak.

Going to Iraq & Afghanistan with Obama & not McCain shows us that you are so Politically Biased in favor of the Democratics that you might as well be called propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.

Rodney, if the Middle East doesn’t change then that means the jihad against Western Civilization will continue through the next millenium. We cannot defeat the Islamic terrorists militarily. We also have to change their mindset. And the spreading of democracy is just the first step. We also have to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict–the root of the jihad against Western Civilization–with the two-state solution. AND the Muslim schools must end the indoctrination of their youth with their curricula of hatred towards Israel and Western Civilization.
Obviously change in the Middle East won’t happen over night…in a year…in a decade…not even in a generation.
Look how long it took for the United States to evolve from a British colony to a full democracy. The Revolutionary War took eight years (1775-1783). It took another four years before the U. S. Constitution was adopted (1787); another year for the ratification (1788); and another 9 months before the First Congress convened (Mar 4, 1789). It took another 77 years before the Civil Rights Act of 1866 was passed giving African-Americans full rights as American citizens. (NOTE: Unfortunately the Compromise of 1877 was a setback for African-Americans in the South, as the rights given to them under the Civil Rights Act of 1866 was no longer enforced.) It was another 54 years before the 19th Amendment was passed and ratified (1920), giving women the right to vote. And it was another 44 years before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed — finally giving full rights to ALL Americans. That took ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY-NINE YEARS (1775-1964).
And then there are two glaring black spots to our history: (1) The Indian Wars–101 years from the convening of the First Congress (1789) to the Massacre at Wounded Knee in 1890–with hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of casualties on both sides; (2) And the Civil War (1861-1865) where over 600,000 Americans lost their lives.
If it took the United States 189 years to become fully democratic (some will argue we still haven’t gotten there), how can we give up on the Middle East after just a few years?