Obama Moves on MoveOn

He didn’t “conveniently skip the vote” he skipped the vote out of protest for how ridiculous it was for the Senate to be spending time discussing a political advertisement in a newspaper.

Suddenly MoveOn and the Netroots are the enemy who should be kept away from while he actively courted them during the primary and used the internet to attack Hillary Clinton.
This is just pathetic.

Hoosie, it is clear that Obama is not the left wing liberal your right wing media fearmongers Hannety, Rush, Rove, Foxnews would like him to be. That is a reailty to be considered. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Jim
he opposed that bill even
now him and bush are congratulating themselves as if they actually supported this thing
lol meanwhile people like hoosiersue run around toting what a stand up guy mccain is
mccain is too old to lead its that simple
he doesnt know what hes doing
obama is a far superior candidate

“Several journalists have noted that Obama rather conveniently skipped the Senate vote cooked up by Republicans to condemn MoveOn’s ad back in September, even though he cast other votes that day.”
Obama always has an excuse to explain away not voting for something when he anticipates it might cause a problem for him later, why do you think he voted present so often in the Illinois legislature…. With the Petraeus slam, he again avoided taking a stand and explained it as a silly game Americans are tired of. I am getting tired of HIS silly games which consist of explaining everything away that he wants to avoid as being a game not worthy of his time. This song will only play so long before others get sick of it too. He is a master at avoiding taking real stands on issues and passing the buck though, I do give him credit for that. Without that ability, he might not have won the nomination. For hating old politics, he sure is good at them.

Obama will blow this election!the Dems will blow this election!
What a hypocrit!!!!

Obama: Same old double-talk, different day!

hey thats pretty low and pathetic on mccains part with the gi bill opposing it as hard as he could and now taking credit for it that mccain is a slimy politican flip flopper might have forgot he opposed the bill people his age do tend to forget what they say or do but i really dont think its his age its just his slimy way

upcoming Obama’s Flip-Flip
1.We can drill now
2.We need more Nuclear Power

Who is Obama?
Depends what time of the month it is….
What Does Obama Stand for?
Depends on what is most popular…
What does Obama want?
Your MONEY first, then your Vote,
How does Obama plan to do this?
Lying, Cheating, Shuffling, Hustling—
WHATEVER IT TAKES….friends and Loyalty means nothing to this guy….ONLY MONEY AND FAME….
OBAMA is a MEGALOMANIA.

ANGIE – John McCain flip-flopping has nothing to do with Obama’s flip-flopping. Of course they are both slick politicians that would do or say anything to get in the white house but it doesn’t change the fact that Obama is a major flip-flopper. Two wrongs don’t make Obama right.

I am a supporter of MoveOn…
and I strongly disagreed with their attack on Gen. Petraeus.
This is not the man to fault…and should have never been trashed by MoveOn.
MoveOn does a lot of good… but obviously they are still getting their footing… as to what is right …and what is just left wing liberal anger.
but again it doesn’t mean they aren’t right 80% of the time…
but on this issue
Obama is right they are wrong…Gen. Petraeus has actually said he believes Obama will do a good job…as has Sec of defense gates.

We have a saying here in Cleveland–if you don’t like the weather, wait 10 minutes and it will change.

john r
please explain mccains flips on EVERY major policy issue

dl sez: “MoveOn does a lot of good… but obviously they are still getting their footing… as to what is right …and what is just left wing liberal anger.”
They’ve been around since the mid-nineties. If they haven’t gotten their footing by now they need to figure out where they’re heading.
But, dl, this is the problem for both candidates: supporters with fringe positions. Remember what Rove and Co did to Kerry with gay marriage issue right before the election?
Until the party platforms are formalized, we’ll see issues flopping like cod on a hot boat deck. Then the candidates have to stand for something. The specifics vs generalties ratio of each platform will be interesting to study.
Let’s see who has courage then.

This move against Moveon is political and planned with them, he knows he can not win while with them, so he makes it as if he is against them while they help in the background.
He is a politician of old, like them from the 70′s

John McCain and Barack Obama need to be true to themselves and their convictions.
Sometimes, that means moving in a different direction from their most ardent supporters.
Sometimes that means modifying or rejecting a previous position.
McCain, at his very best, vehemently opposed Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy in 2001. At his worst, he caved into the same special interests and now wants to make those tax cuts for the wealthy permanent.
I applaud Obama and McCain whenever they do what they think is right for this country…especially when it might work to their own political detriment.
That is a pretty sound definition of courage.

JOHN
i dont understand you people who have decided to start making these new lists called the “obama will flip on these next”
the guy on fox said
“The next big flip for Obama, and this will make Brit even more astonished, will be on Iraq. He’s going to go to Iraq, meet with General Petraeus, decide the surge is working and walk back from his immediate unconditioned withdrawal. And suddenly, it’s going to be, “Well, we’re going to be very careful, gradual.” “Honorable withdrawal,”
the problem here is that THAT IS OBAMAS POSITIONS NOW AND HAS BEEN
other then the fact taht the surge is working as he hasnt commented on the surge really other then to say it appears that it is working.

DON
if obama is a MAJOR flip flopper
what does that make mccain?

There is a tape of Obama saying a surge will never work no matter how many troops are deployed.

A pattern is forming here…apparently the Neoconservative based has been aroused and has determined that they can beat Obama by calling him a flip flopper. Is this the 2008 version of swift-boating?
Note to John McCain and his Neocon supporters – People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Now, in 2008, John McCain wants to make those tax cuts permanent. That is just a classic flip-flop and political pandering to get votes.
John McCain always talks about supporting our troops and their families. Shockingly, McCain opposed the new G.I. Bill that dramatically expands educational benefits for our soldiers. McCain refused to support this bill because he felt that the benefits were too good – that too many soldiers might leave active duty to get their degrees. This bill enjoyed wide bi-partisan support. So there you have it – John McCain always says he supports the men and women who are fighting for us – that is, until it is time to repay them for their service to America. This goes beyond flip flopping…it’s hypocracy
For many years, McCain has opposed off-shore drilling. Now, in order to get elected, he is for off-shore drilling. Flip-Flop.
Most importantly, McCain has admitted that he cheated on and then dumped his first wife and three children who waited loyally for McCain to return from Vietnam. Specifically, McCain was having an affair with Cindy McCain (who was 15 years younger and very rich). When Cindy McCain agreed to marry him, he tossed out the old wife and kids and married Cindy McCain 3 months later.
This is not only McCain’s biggest flip-flop, it is the greatest stain on his character. If a man will not keep his word and protect his honor with his family, then how can anyone trust him?

MOVE ON followed their leade Obama and chose to relinquish their 527 status….
Now Move On is on their own to fight for their causes….SUDDENLY–Obama, their beloved, chastise them……lol
That what you get when you trust Obama.
Hey, Move On—here join Daily Kos, Say Hi to Rev.Wright, NAFTA, FISA, Public Financing PROMISES, Welfare Reforms (still if-y…) etc etc….and this stuff isn’t old stuff—it’s from
JUNE 2008

KiKi :
When Obama goes to Iraq….he will use the backdrop to show his undying support for the Troops—and tell them to keep up the good work—since they won’t be coming home soon.
Obama will use Europe as a Backdrop to show his SUPPORT to Nuclear Energy…..
and possibly come out with his “interest” in off shore drilling…

carpenter.nyc
That man is the biggest hypocritc!
I hope the American people see thru him
“change that works for him”

It is totally mind boggling that this man is running for president of the United States. Who will he be in November, what will he say?
Well he gave you all hope and now you have none he gave you all change and he will keep on doing that, the quintessential flip flopper!

“Yes We Can” is now “No He Didn’t”

No disagreement on that, dl, but they’ve had time to tune up and the main event is underway. Time to check the songlist, the power plugs, mics and all of that.
Still as we get into this, my guess is the vote will be a lot closer than some pretend. That divide in red/blue is still there, just slightly caulked over. That is why Clinton could come so far back and beat his early gains in the caucuses. Caucus votes say zero about the popular vote. So I think we are still in a land divided.
Given close numbers, he will have a tough time getting the center while holding on to the fringe. That was what Rove knew and took down Kerry’s early breakout lead: multiplication by division. Barack needs to firm up that platform fast and stick to it instead of letting the number crunchers drive him like a thistle in a downwind reach.
“Well, we’re going to be very careful, gradual.” “Honorable withdrawal,” ”
I have a sign in my recording studio from the first one I had in the 1970s when I too was a radical kid. It reads “Recession with Honor”.
Oh the times they are a changin’..
back to again to the future. :-)

BIGGEST CANDIDATE FLIP FLOP
McCain has admitted that he cheated on and then dumped his first wife and three children who waited loyally for McCain to return from Vietnam.
Specifically, McCain was having an affair with Cindy McCain (who was 15 years younger and very rich). When Cindy McCain agreed to marry him, he tossed out the old wife and kids and married Cindy McCain 3 months later.
This is not only McCain’s biggest flip-flop, it is the greatest stain on his character. If a man will not keep his word and protect his honor with his family, then how can anyone trust him?
Do you Necons agree, or do you follow any candidate as long as he is a “conservative.”

Flip Flop, Flip Flop!!! I am so tired of those words. Would you rather have a President that stood with his arms folded across his chest, refusing to change his stance even when the circumstances have change or new information is available? We do not live in a stagnant world; things change all the time and a smart politician will keep up with the changes and new information. So I don’t care if you support McCain or Obama please stop with the Flip Flop nonsense.

oh and in regards to the fox news koolaid term thrown under the bus is also the fox fake news term!!

Seems Obama wants to distance hiself from a bunch of his cronies. He can’t distance himself from Obama, though. He has a record. It will get him.

No candidate agrees with every group on everything. Not unusual at all. This is not a problem, even though the media and the Republican party would love it to be.

I lost 90% of my eye sight but I can always tell when Obama’s coming – listen – flip flop flip flop flip flop.

All this bleating about Obama moving right or flipping on gun rights or FISA, etc. I don’t care. There’s no such thing as a perfect candidate who will represent my interests 100% and yet still be electable. We get what we get, ya know? Sure, there will be positions Obama will take that I don’t like, but it doesn’t change the fact that its either him or McCain. And a vote for Obama is a vote AGAINST McCain. I’d rather live with Obama’s FISA compromise than be stuck in Iraq for another 50 years. I’d rather live with Obama, any way you slice him, than end up with McCain, and thus end up at war with Iran, which will almost certainly result in the draft being reinstated and billions and billions MORE wasted on the “war on terror” that achieves zilch. Obama’s grand intentions mean nothing if he can’t win. And if he needs to move more towards the center to win the election, then by all means he MUST do that. Given our choice, Obama vs McCain, there’s really NO choice at all.

This whole mess has been orchestrated by the Obama camp to make Obama look “noble” and patriotoic.

If Obama wants to win the White House, he has to move to the middle. Only about 30% of Democrats are far left. The rest are in the middle. He needs to appeal to Independents, as well, as moderate Republicans. I think he’s switching too fast on too many issues. He needs to slow down a bit. He seems like he’s pandering. I read that Obama and McCain are tied in the polls. I really believe that Barr and Nader are going to play a integral part in who becomes the next president. If Obama loses this election, I will never vote democrat again. Only if Hillary runs again.

Obama should consider an acting career after he loses the election in November.
The highly successful staged performance by him and Rev. Wright in May, and this good cop/bad cop strategy that has worked so well for him, I believe he is much more qualified for the big screen than the White House.
How can anyone possibly believe anything that comes out of either side of Senator Obama’s mouth?

Don’t tell me anyone really believes Obama when he said he denounced Wright. I mean come on, he swore he would never turn his back on him, and didn’t. When he thought he had absolutely no choice, when his back was against the wall, then he comes out and pretends denounces him just for show. No one in their right mind is going to beleive that.

I hope some delegates come to their senses and throw Obama under the bus, this August.If Obama were up for his seat in the Senate, I bet he would lose.

Can you say “bait and switch”?
Obama plays the liberal to get MoveOn’s support, and rid himself of Hillary, and then moves so fast to the right that his media toadies and gullible supporters are getting whiplash.
He disdains actual policies and positions (he scornfully said that everyone has a 10-point plan). He expects people to vote only for him; not his positions, which are every changing, not his support team, which are easily jettisoned when no longer useful, and not his accomplishments, which are nonexistent. We must vote only for him – and trust only him. He alone knows what is best for us (although you can guarantee that he has no clue what that is right now).
He said he is a blank slate on which others write their hopes. (Empty suit, much?)
How insane are his followers? Haven’t they ever heard of a cult of personality? Apparently not, because that is what Obama is asking us to put in place. No policies, no principles, just a messianic figure to adore and believe in. And, how well did that work in the past?
Wake up people, this is not what America’s founders had in mind. George Washington said he did not want to be king. Apparently, Obama has something else in mind.

Well – sure hope the DNC is happy with their guy of CHANGE!!!!
The DNC picked the WEAK candidate that will NEVER be elected due to his RADICAL, questionable background.
Obama is a FRAUD!!!

Hey Chippertooth,
This was news a while back…maybe you should find some new material. You would probably be the first liberal to say that, during the Lewinski debacle, that all that was between Bill and Hillary, and agree with the “Right Wing Conspiracy” theory. Well, now, for some reason, it’s all right to bring keep talking about McCain’s personal life, as if it were the same as Clinton having inappropriate relationships with interns while serving as President – and in the White House to boot. Good grief you liberals just LOVE the double standard.

To those who say that there is no PERFECT candidate, I have just TWO WORDS for you…..RALPH NADER (who by the way, has never FLIP-FLOPPED EITHER)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How much money do you think Wall Street donators are giving OBAMA to change his mind on these issues. Obama says $5. HAHAHAHAHA. Pretty funny. I smelled out this guy right at the beginning. He is dangerous like Hitler. Watch out or our freedoms will be gone and he will be DICTATOR OF USA.

What do I think?
Obama could make his “pivots to the center” without the snide put-downs.

I think that Obama knows the far left is going to vote for him no matter what he does or says at this point. His base will support him because they have no other choice – they are certainly not going to defect to McCain and voting for Nader is a vote thrown away. Obama can do anything he wants and not worry about alienating those who handed him his candidacy. He is now heading to the middle where he can woo independents and attempt to siphon votes away from McCain.
By the way, I noticed when I first read Obama’s speech that he specifically did not mention MoveOn by name. Wonder why? So he can later deny that this comment was directed at them.

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Obama’s smokescreen of trying to become more centrist such as backing faith based groups is just a ruse the American people are not stupid enough to fall far. Compare the 2 candidates.
Obama may have done better in college than MCain but down well in college is overrated. It will get you in the door, but unless you produce on the job, you won’t survive. Those that hit McCain for graduating in the lower part of his class, are misguided and put too much emphasis on GPA and class standing. Obviously it must be the college students that value this and hence they like the way Obama talks. You know he says really cool things. But in the scheme of things it doesn;t mean much. I’d give my vote to a person who has proven he can produce rather than one who talks a good game, because talk is cheap. It is what’s produced that counts. And when you come right down to it, McCain has produced bipartisan legislation, and has the experience and quite frankly he can help protect us. Obama has produced nothing. So McCain is the choice for me. And anyone else who chooses Obama is misguided.

No country for flip flopping geezers

There’s only one candidate that isn’t a self centered, lying, self absorbed, incompetent, hypocrite; as a matter of fact he is the exact opposite and his name is Ralph Nader. Nader/Gonzalez 2008! You do have a choice!

Obama hasn’t missed the sorry trail of principled, but defeated Democratic candidates for POTUS.
In case anyone misses the point, it’s about WINNING the election. Can’t do SQUAT without winning first.
Obama is canny enough to do what it takes to win, meaning he needs to do what Republicans do, only better. And he’s doing it!
Obama 08!!!

So this country has a two ways to win the presdiency? First if you are a democrat, you have to win the left liberals to win the primary and that was how Obama won, second, in the generla election, you have to be conservative to win the general voters? In this case, Obama is the most sly, cunning politician ever be in the history of American polticis and he will be judged as the swaying candidate with no bones and his reward will be the greatest loser of all time. Americans are after all value the time honored principles of a self respect and dignity. Obama just sell these values just to win votes.

It is almost comical how quickly Obama tossed so many libs under the Bus once the primary with Hilliary was over. Are we sure we don’t Hilliary back? He has no loyality or morals—none.

Obama hasn’t missed the sorry trail of principled, but defeated Democratic candidates for POTUS.
In case anyone misses the point, it’s about WINNING the election. Can’t do SQUAT without winning first.
Obama is canny enough to do what it takes to win, meaning he needs to do what Republicans do, only better. And he’s doing it!
Obama 08!!!
Posted by: Ross | Jul 2, 2008 1:56:41 AM———————–True he is doing anything he has to to win, that is called OLD STLYE POLITICS, which is totally against his running platform. Therefore, it proves he is not a new kind of politician, just the same old kind of self serving politician. He just thinks he is smart enough to fool the public. He is deceptive, and I just don’t trust him due to his friends and associates. And his positions on some issues.

“Several journalists have noted that Obama rather conveniently skipped the Senate vote cooked up by Republicans to condemn MoveOn’s ad back in September, even though he cast other votes that day.”
It was a bone-head move for MoveOn to stampede an “endorsement” for this fraud in the first place. Bad politics will out.

It’s just to bad that a vast number of white people don’t like Sen. Obama. This is soooo sad and it’s only going to get a lot worst… He is a man of honesty, creditability, etc.. but you won’t see that, because all you see is his color.. And no matter what you say, it’s people like you that won’t change, unless it’s a white man or white female. It doesn’t matter that his mother was white and that his grandparents are white also, all that matters to you, is that you won’t, you can’t look past the color and see the man. Shame on you.. I thank God that he looks past all of us that He has created special to see the inside, which bleeds red, not black nor white. Why can’t you.

Throwing people under the bus once he is done with them. That is what Obama is doing. That’s all.
Posted by: Joan | Jul 1, 2008 2:52:01 PM
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Assuming this is true, how long before Obama throws the America and her citizens under the bus?