Obama to House Dems: If Sanctions Fail, Israel Will Likely Strike Iran

Obama fatigue is setting in now, the media has exploited him.. McCain up by 4 over Obama according to latest usatoday/gallup poll o f likely voters

JB in St. Louis: I just read that he did, and that the leader of the country has told Obama he is very sorry it happened.

This is an absolutely irresponsible thing to say. Obama is clearly showing signs of serious mental illness. he thinks he is President.

Obama “gets a feeling from my talks”?? What is that?? This guy wants to be the leader of free world and can’t ask a direct question and get a direct answer?? I guess the questions weren’t on cue cards and he didn’t have his script with him.

“Obama got the sense”
We need a President who doesn’t rely on feelings and senses

God do I miss Hillary – she is the only candidiate of either party who is smart enough and strong enough to be president!

way to spill that secret info there mr. obama. good to see you are ready to be predident.

vuzous, diplomacy has really worked well with Iran so far hasn’t it? And it worked really well with sadaam Hussein to eh? and Hitler too for that matter. Its appeasement. If they know its just talk, they will continue to flip us the bird. They need to know that something worse is coming if they don’t cooperate.

After eight years of the Bush and Rummy show how can anyone have the gall to rail about how bad of a president Obama will be? Bush is worse than Carter as far as I’m concerned and I never thought I would see that in my lifetime.

And what will Obama do if Israel starts a third world war?

A “game changer,” Obama said — because they know Israel would probably strike and that would be bad for everyone.
Why not say it is bad for Iran to get nukes? Why only point out it would be bad for Israel to strike. Obama has already picked sides and it’s not with our allies.

I don’t think the multi-lateral talks with Iran are going to produce any fruitful results. So, would it be better for Israel or the US to destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities?
Either country will face a firestorm of condemnation, but politically, who should do the job?

Who can fault Israel for launching a pre-emptive stike against Iran??? Aferall, if someone was threatening to “destroy” you, and was working feverously towards developing the means to do so, it ONLY makes sense, if for no other reason than self-preservation, to take the initative and “eliminate” the threat. Appeasement has NEVER proved to be a successful approach to antagonistic nations, for, in the end, the price paid is more terrible than taking action in the first instance…

Why does it seem that everyone eventually brings up the ridiculous “appeasement of hitler” arguement? Why because when you evoke “evil incarnate” then it is impossible to argue any counter-point. Obviously appeasing Hitler was a mistake, but does that mean every single time that we encounter a potentially dangerous situation that war is the only option? Look, Iran recognizes the fact that Israel is a nuclear power, even if Iran attacked Israel with a nuke (which I have seen no evidence that they’re building) Israel would obliterate the entire nation and Iran knows it. Iran would not want mutually assured destruction and therefore wouldnt’ attack. Besides, name the countries in the last 100 years that Iran has attacked offensively? Now compare that number to the U.S. post WW2

We can drill, drill, drill, do it safely, shut the rascals on the left up and have a fruitful life. When circumstances arise that we need to go to war, we go-provided there is someone with a backbone in charge. Otherwise we better learn a new language.

“Even if there is oil on the continental shelf, it will take at least 10 years to feel at the pump and by that time, gas will have exceeded $10 gallon IF we are still dependent on foreign oil.”
WHEN WILL THE LEFT REALIZE THAT GAS WOULD NOT BE AT $4/gal. NOW IF THEY HAD NOT LIMITED OUR DOMESTIC PRODUCTION IN THE FIRST PLACE?? ALTERNATIVE FUELS? YES. CONSERVATION? SURE. BUT THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN SUFFICIENTLY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS EITHER, SO LET’S MATCH DEMAND WITH SUPPLY. **SAYING IT WON’T BE READY IN TEN YEARS ONLY UNDERSCORES THE URGENCY.** GET OUT OF THE WAY, PELOSI.

Obama is a blabber mouth!
Can’t keep a government secret.
Obama is a SPENDING FOOL!

This whole election just gives me tired head. The 2 party system is a complete failure and neither Obama or McCain are that much different from each other. We need a legit 3rd and 4th party in our system, until then status quo here we come.

Carol said in part:”WRONG just 2 missles and there is no ISRAEL so she had better sit down and let US take care of Iran as it is US that will fight not Israel!” ….. No Palestine either and that might solve the whole conflict of the ages.

Obama is nothing but somebody’s little puppet. If he manages to win, we’ll find out in short order who’s been orchestrating this scam. The term ‘empty suit’ was created with him in mind.

You know, if McCain wanted to win this election, he might work more! This guy rarely works weekends, but he does have silver spoon Cindy in his back pocket, now, doesn’t he? Last week, John McCain worked Tuesday through Friday. The week prior, the same bag. He wonders why he gets no press, but he isn’t out there making headlines. He’s old and he needs his rest. His ideas are as old as the republican party’s misguided beliefs.
Whats funny is most americans are lucky to be lower middle class these days and they think the republican tax cuts truly help them. I can understand fighting for the ideals of conservatism, but truthfully, how are you getting ahead? Most republicans are poor and they vote for higher taxes. Now if it is in exchange for freedoms, I respect, but your freedoms are being taken away by the patriot act, many wire tapping bills and anti-terrorism laws. They can literally arrest you and hold you indefinitely without charging you if someone suspects your terrorist!
Now that being said, I’ve contacted my local authorities and stated that I believe all republicans are terrorists…. Is someone knocking at your door Tom in Littleton, Colorado? DON’T ANSWER IT!

I invented a car that ran on water and got 100 miles to the ounce but the Government bought it and killed the project.

To I Love Foreign Oil:
You clearly have no idea of how economics and especially how the futures markets work. No, we obviously cant drill our way out of the problem, but to say it wont help in the mean time is either naive or you’re just lying.
When Bush talked about removing the presidential block on drilling, the price of oil dropped $9….just during that speech! The price of oil is based on anticipated supply and anticipated demand. In this case, the future supply line was shifted down and left. If congress lifts the ban, it will probably drop another $20, bringing gas back down to the low to mid 3′s.
Back in the early 80′s after the arab oil embargo, the government started a project with the aim of finding alternative fuel. What happened was OPEC flooded the market and brought fuel down to $8 a barrel, making any kind of alternative fuel non-cost effective.
Showing that we are willing to drill, as well as develop alternate sources of energy and transport, is the only way to show we desire to be and then become, energy independent.

so ,suppose we start drilling off shore – who will end up owning those rigs in a couple years? Cuz it won’t be americans – and if you cant see that , you are BLIND!

Obama warns the Dems that Israel might strike Iran? He is really warning Iran by doing this and then you have the reports the CIA is issuing that Iran is planning a nuclear strike on the USA. We have had a history with Iran and the terrorist that is leading the country. He has struck at the USA in the past and has no reservations about going against the Great Satan again. Shold we be concerned? Yes, but it appears the Dems are more concerned that a nuclear reactor will be blown up in Iran rather than a USA city being blown up by Iran.

The only president to drop “The Bomb” was a Democrat. Democrats led us to Vietnam – Kennedy started it, and Johnson’s Gulf of Tonken lie pushed more troops to their death. So don’t start with the “Republican Warmongering”. If we elect Obama, the only time we or our allies will get HIT with the bomb will be under a Democrat’s watch as well.

I shouldn’t have to explain – look at everything in the US these days – we are holdin a garage sale and foreigners are buying it all up – empire state bldg anyone?

Again and again, I see that the comments on articles on corporate news sites are terrifying stupid: “We need a president who doesn’t rely on feelings and senses.” Come on, to “get a sense” is a figure of speech. Politics means working with people, and people’s motives and intentions aren’t necessarily always obvious or even apparent. I would argue that the glowing reception Obama received abroad indicates that foreign leaders have not judged Obama quite so inept as many think.

This guy is dangerous. He has all these close door meetings while in Israel and then makes this pronouncement?
When we wanted to tell a secret as kids, we’d say, “nobody told me this but I think”…
Who did he just put in danger? Was this his way to warn Iran in advance?
This guy should get NOWHERE near the Oval office.
He is DANGEROUS

“the good news is that Obama got the sense that the Arab states understand just how destabilizing a nuclear Iran would be — a “game changer,” Obama said — because they know Israel would probably strike and that would be bad for everyone.”
That is the good news? Notice how no one is suggesting that a nuclear Iran is inherently destabilizing (at least no more than a nuclear Pakistan, a nuclear India, or a nuclear Israel). There is no reason to think that an economically prosperous, socially stable, and powerful nation is going to suddenly go postal. Imagine if the US (or Israel!) were taken at their word for everything they say.

Obama, thank you for stating as another poster wrote the “obvious” duhhh. We all know that years ago, Israel had struck Iran for the same reasons and so it will stop at nothing if it feels threated by Iran again.

Enough with the US bashing!! The most beautiful thing about our country is that you are FREE TO LEAVE IT ANYIME if you think we are sooooo horrible. Please consider that.

I agree with CarDriver:
Obama is a blabber mouth!
(now that’s funny)

obama is utterly irresponsible yet again.
He needs to go back to just Hope for things. . .
Posted by: myze | Jul 30, 2008 10:40:40 AM
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yes Obama is the irresponsible one, let’s elect mr “bomb, bomb, bomb iran” AKA “cigarettes would hopefully kill them”.

I wish just for a second more Americans could stand outside their own country and see themselves. WE ARE THE WORLD. You’re not and the hopefully some day a majority will recognize that fact.
In Canada, Britain, France and Germany for example, surveys show less than 9 percent of their respective populations would vote for the Republican nominee. Less than 9 percent! We get it, see it, yet from within the fish bowl that is the only world for Americans, people can’t seem to get a handle on the big picture.
For someone to state Obama will be a bad leader on the heels of what your present leadership has done, is a total FARCE beyond words.

Uhhhhh…Dave…. It’s not like the entire free world (and it’s leaders) didn’t already KNOW that Israel was strongly moving in that direction anyway…
I have no problem with pointing out Obama’s weaknesses – but let’s be intelligent (and factual) about what those weakness really are.

Is Obama just now figuring this out, OMG???
Israel will hit Iran there is no other possible solution to this, it is going to happen and we have the assests in the region to take advantage of the confusion once the process starts!!

Baaab:
“For the love of God people get to bloody work. You RW morans are costing the economy money by spewing this nonsense from the walls of the cube owned by your company.
You’d think that being good ol’ RW morans you might care about your companies bottom line but I guess not. Pathetic.”
First of all, it’s morons not morans. And second of all, well, never mind…

I hope all the inexperienced Congressmen heed this warning from the veteran of foreign policy affairs.

Did I miss the election, was Obama elected? What a pile of nonsense!

With all the chaos insuing in the middle east with Iran, we had better be very careful who we as Americans choose to put in charge of this country. I do not think Obama has what it takes to make critical military decisions. I think he is a very smart man who is a gifted public speaker. But, this country needs someone who is willing do what ever is necessary to protect this country and Israel. No one wants war, but when a country constantly threatens us, it is time to take action. Iran and others seek to destroy the US and any country like us. We need to take action before it is to late. Wouldn’t it make better sense to start dieting earlier in life instead of waiting until after you have had a heart attack?

Did I miss the election, was Obama elected? What a pile of nonsense!

Obama really IS the anti-christ, isn’t he. His remarks (this article, for mere starters) appear to be occult.

A lot of people on here have called Israel an ally. How are they our ally? And don’t give me any of that “God’s Chosen People” mumbo-jumbo.
I’m a Republican, and I used to be a fervent supporter of Israel. Then it became apparent they do absolutely NOTHING for us in return for the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS we fork over to them. They routinely spy on us (and sell the information to other countries like China). They attacked the USS Liberty, killing over thirty Americans. And on top of that, we act as a proxy for fighting Israel’s wars; it’s long past the point where we can continue to afford to fight their battles for them.
So how is Israel our ally? I don’t see us getting much back from them in this relationship.
Also, people keep calling Ahma-nutjob the next Hitler, but how? Yeah, he hates Israel–but he hasn’t invaded and occupied another country (oops, that’s us…). Enough with the hyperbole already! He poses absolutely no threat to the U.S., as we could erase Iran from existence within minutes (just like Israel could). Some people on here have opined that Republicans love war. I, for one, do not. But too many of my fellow Republicans seem to jump at the chance to attack other countries–even when they know deep down we’re not really being threatened at all. Liberally applying our armed forces around the world is not a tenet of Republicanism.
Anyway, if Israel wants to preemptively attack Iran, then they should go ahead and do it and stop hoping we’ll do the heavy lifting for them again. They definitely have the offensive capabilities. But they should also be prepared to reap the whirlwind for their actions while we sit on the sidelines.
There is no reason for the U.S. to become involved unless Iran retaliates by launching attacks on our troops in Iraq. Sadly, most people would view an Israeli attack as having our tacit approval. And strangely enough, I think that’s exactly what Israel is counting on. What a great ally…

In the words of one of the greatest military minds of the 20th century; “Surprise, surprise, surprise.” BHO and his team have just taken a look at the real world. He is running for President of the US of A, not the world. There are other people outside the US and they are going to do what they feel that they have to to survive, the US be damned. Welcome to reality.

ABC, just soo liberal–on the homepage are four critical Obama stories….balance for McCain? a big zero

Israel eliminating Iran’s nuclear program is a good thing – it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that.
Naturally Democrats might have a problem with that, just like they don’t like killing terrorists.

Obamam is very scarey. I know he is not the anti-christ—but he is definitely a fore-runner! And I am so sick of democrats running down the war in Iraq. In case you haven’t noticed–we have won the war. The surge worked–McCain was correct. I know that is hard for democrats to handle. But thats the way it is. They have ran their mouths so much concerning the war–and now they can eat their words. Thank God–we didn’t listen to the dems. We would have left Iraq and lost the war. That is the problems w/the democrats. They were for going into Iraq–but when it got tough, they wanted to run. America does not run! America stays and sees things through. Thank god for George Bush-John McCain–and the wisdom of the Republican party!

Obama, What don’t you understand about “THE NEED TO KNOW.” Inexperience showing. Statements like that cost more lives if this in fact is carried out sometime in the future. Gee Gilligan, gives the other side heads-up…..AND NO LIBS, WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW………..

Somebody said on here that Obama would “turn this country upside down if elected”…guess they can’t tell from their upside down view of things—Bush beat him to the punch on the turning our country upside down. Just maybe Obama will turn it back on track like it more nearly was before the Pugs got in the White House! We can hope, YES WE CAN!

France – Support for Obama 64%
Support for Mccain 4%
Germany – Support for Obama 67%
Support for Mccain 6%
Canada and Britain are not different!
Maybe western nations should pool resources and offer Americans trips outside their own country so can understand exactly the full scope of damage republicans have done to the world.

I believe I speak for most Canadians…especially those who heard “obama” say he was going to talk to our president!!!??? (we have a prime minister incidentally), & change NAFTA! We are embarrassed for our USA friends how they have to put up with “obama” arrogantly running around the world purporting already to be president! How can you USA people permit this…. we all wonder??? I saw on the Canadian news how he snubbed USA soldiers who waited in line for hours to shake his hand. How could he just walk by without even looking at them?? Send him & his recent 1000% increase of new “african” immigrants back to africa…eh ! It does not take a rocket scientist to see he already has ruined the USA!

Barry is so smart. He knew the surge wouldn’t work and now he knows that Iran needs to be appeased and not stifled. Bush has given up the ghost, so Israel better understand that they’re on their own… and it will continue if Obama is elected.
All of you screaming that there should be no war with Iran should be well aware that your support of BARRY is the thing that will bring it. Israel cannot wait for this neophyte to be elected. Their hands are tied. Either they do it now while Bush MIGHT help them… or they don’t do it at all because Barry will allow them to perish. If you’re Israel and you don’t want a nuclear Iran… what do you do?
This guy is going to get us all killed BEFORE he’s the president! That’s how good he is. Change. Yeah right… complete global destabilization just as a matter of his being the nominee and a sycophantic American electorate.

REPUB and len: Obama was talking to Congress. It was ABC and their anonymous “attendees” that leaked the discussion. Who is irresponsible now? Although I really don’t see that there was anything given out that we didn’t all know already. Give it a rest.

looks like Obambush is lookin for a war!

Obama is an idiot. A dangerous, naive idiot. His hubris is beyond comprehension. And, he is not yet the official nominee of the Democratic party. God help us all if he is elected.

“Nobody said this to me directly but I get the feeling from my talks that if the sanctions don’t work Israel is going to strike Iran.”
I “hope” his feelings don’t start WWIII but, then just pass the cool aid to your enemies and then they will “fall in line”.
Biggest goof I have heard in foreign policy in years……Letting your adversaries and the world know what your allies MIGHT do. This guy will be dangerous with foreign policy and WE will pay the price for his ineptness.
The Obama arrogance is getting to be too much to handle. This guy is going around acting like he is already president with his transition team and talking policy with house democrats.
This election with his downfall can’t come soon enough for me.

Come on! What does Obama know about war? He’s never been in the military and does not have a military mind! He’s
just a young pup in congress so what does he know? He’s just guessing.

Luke—sounds like sumbody gettin’ JEALOUS! and I bet McSame McCain sho is (JEALOUS, that is)!!!!

Will: “He also thinks there are 57 states in the Union as well…..case in point!”
Yes, that is a case in point – of stupid mud throwing. They all mispeak, unless you think that McCain actually believes that Czechoslovakia still exists.

Go hit your head on the wall, Obama will still be elected. No amount of idiotic babbling will deviate CHANGE THAT WE CAN BELIVE IN.

How can someone who is apparently so great and the second coming inspire SUCH EXTREME comments and hatred that i have seen through the primary and general election.
Obama’s campaign is about one thing- OBAMA
Ask not what obama can do for you but what you can do for obama!!

Go hit your head on the wall, Obama will still be elected. No amount of idiotic babbling will deviate CHANGE THAT WE CAN BELIVE IN.

Obama tells the truth – and spastic Republicans go nuts. Too funny.

What kind of hero is McShame anyway? He crashes 5 jets before he gets caught(never saw that coming) and then makes propoganda films for the enemy(pain was just too much, well yes it’s called torture) and we call that a hero? ‘d hate to see what you all call God. Oh, I forgot, you call him BUSH.

So, the general has spoken. And only 4 short years ago, he was voting “present” in the Illinois state legislature. And now, he fails to take Joe Biden, his foreign policy guru, along on his trip to ensure Joe educates him and to keeps him safe from harm. Is this arrogance or simply extreme faulty judgment? The world needs to view this guy with extreme skepticism.

anita rao- IF Obama ever does tell the truth then maybe the Republicans will go spastic. So far he has been the leftwing liar he has always been. He tells so many he cant remember from morning to afternoon what he has told.

I was going to vote for Obama, but it seems like all he wants to do is be in front of the camera with no substance.

Barry,as you called him survived being Black In America.Don’t you think that was enough hell. But, no, if that’s not enough I would love to compare his resume with McCain’s. Really, I think someone should create their resumes and post them side by side.

I think it’s absolutely disgraceful how McCain disparaged the service of our troops in Afghanistan by overlooking their sacrifice when he suggested that Iraq was the first major conflict after 9/11, instead of the conflict in Afghanistan.
This type of historical myopia is yet another clear example of how, despite all his chest thumping and finger pointing, John McCain is unfit to be Commander in Chief. John McCain simply does not understand the importance of the service our troops are providing in that conflict. Taking the fight to Al Queda and to the Taliban was the right course of action which had the overwhelming support of the American people. Unfortunately however, Bush and McCain did not stay focused on pursuing Bin Laden who is still plotting against us. Apparently, McCain believes that our soldiers killed and wounded in Afghanistan after 9/11 were not worth mentioning when it comes to citing the conflicts that he believes are most important – namely the Iraq war that was based entirely upon false intel, sophistry and prevarication.

Rest assured, if the Obamessiah wins the white house, we’ll talk our way out of war and into more useless, paper-wasting sanctions – What he should have said is what he really thinks, ” If sanctions fail, we’ll just ask the UN for more sanctions. Enough is enough!

Calm down everyone, it doesn’t matter what Obama said, the only important thing here is did he look presidential when he said it…..That’s all that matters to his adoring fans(the media).

In international affairs, there are no secret briefings attended by the press and anyone who leaked such information would be investigated quickly and thoroughly. You are buying into a fiction, Jock. This is a deliberate leak and irresponsible on the face of it although there may be circumstances so far unreported.
It doesn’t matter what we all know. In diplomacy it matters very much precisely what is said down to the last syllable, where it is said, and to whom. Obama is a man the world is watching and cannot make such mistakes if that is what this is. But moreover, he is speaking as if he were the President and that is an unpardonable gaffe in his profession.
Like it or not, the President is George W. Bush and if you can’t respect the man you must respect the office. Obama does not seem to respect either and that is not only arrogant and irresponsible, it mocks our system of government for his own ends.
He is playing with the lives and future of real people in real places who will suffer real consequences while he fist bumps his way into obscurity.

No one in Congress has any intelligence, no one in the CIA, FBI or any government affiliated office—only Mr. Obama knows the answers and has to announce it to the “press” and to “congress” what he thinks. The good news is he said even with 20,000 or 30,000 troops the surge will not work and he said he thinks it will even have the reverse effect. Well his thinking was wrong. Sanctions are not the only way to stop Iran. I am no longer voting for Obama—this man is dangerous.

len
Who said this was a formal “briefing?” Who said anything classified information was discussed at all? Who said the press attended (they apparently did not, or ABC wouldn;t have to rely on half-quotes by “attendees”).
Obama was very careful to say that it was not something told to him in confidence. It was just his own general feeling. Maybe Jake can clarify this, but I don’t see why you are making such a big deal out of it. Well, I do know why, but that is politics not national security.

The BIBLE says Whoever Blesses Abraham (Israel) God will Bless, and Whoever Curses Abraham (Israel) God will Curse, Now wheather you believe this or not does not make it Untrue, it just means that you have Chosen not to accept Gods Truth. Now you make the choice as to who you will believe. THE BIBLE IS STILL GODS WORD FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO RECEIVE.

So, the threat and willingness to use military force will make the sactions work? How can that be? I thought war was not the answer? Shouldn’t we just leave Irag right now so we can damage our military credibility so force is not taken seriously?

WOW, I didn’t know this. Thank you Obama for providing us this information. You Obama idiots are voting for a puppet!!!!! This guy has not done a thing to qualifty being President of the free world. He doesn’t even run his own campaign for Christ sake. WAKE UP.

Good thing McCain is fixin to beat himself. The only thing between Obama and the White House is Obama.

Last I checked Iran hadn’t attacked anyone, and the US is the only country to drop the bomb on anyone.

RobertX – By rest of the world do you mean US, France, Germany, and England. Quite frankly most countries in the middle east do not want more instability. Countries like China and Russia are against military action on Iran.

Dude posted “If this was real, it would be all over the real news networks.” Gotta tell you, that presumption is completely false!!! Thats the problem. You cant trust the “real” news. Talk to the boots on the ground.

Wednesday, July 30
National Rasmussen Tracking
Obama 48, McCain 46
Obama +2.0
Michigan PPP (D) Obama 46, McCain 43 Obama +3.0
Tuesday, July 29
Race Poll Results Spread
National Gallup Tracking Obama 47, McCain 41
Obama +6.0

Dan, we all know fox supports McCain. If fox even thought they could pass a story like this as true, they would run it. After all, they are “fair and Balanced”. THATS A JOKE IF I EVER HEARD ONE.

rev er – “Obama needs to keep his big mouth shut about foreign affairs that could trigger a war or a bigger problem” – We’ve seen you can write, now can you convince us that you can also read? Israel is already preparing to strike Iran, and they will unless they’re convinced to drop nuclear prospects. Everyone, regardless of political party knows this. They already struck Iraq in ’81 for the same reason, a repeat against Iran could trigger another full-on war against Israel. Obama acknowledging this is an important step in avoiding “a war or a bigger problem”. Duuuuuh…

I have read the past hours worth of postings in this thread and the strongest impression it has made on me is level of venomous hatred with which we attack one another. The weakest form of argument is personal insult, it belies ignorance and a lack of credible information in support of your point. Both sides of this issue are spending more time trying to tear the flesh off of their “enemy” than accurately express a valid opinion. If we want to know why our country has been mired in a sesspool of cultural and social stagnation take a look at how we treat each other right here. Our leaders are a reflection of ourselves. We seem to prefer to fail and blame others rather than seek legitimate answers.

Civil Discourse – I could not agree more.

“This quietly alludes to the fact that they don’t want to do your dirty work.”
And you think that they’ll want to do even dirtier work for Barry in Pakistan? An unstable country with many nukes.

Jitters – why do you have to give up gun rights in order to have BO as Pres?

Posted by: Stark Granger | Jul 30, 2008 11:54:14 AM
More McToast/Neocon desperation. That story is months old and has been debunked. Hello! The trial was last month.
Just like your grandpa Mayor McCheese, all you wingnuts do is attack Obama. How about talking about what Grandpa’s going to do? Oh wait, He’ll just follow Obama’s lead. “Sixteen months sounds like a good timetable”
Obama=Leader
McSenile=Follower

“Obama=Leader”
Hillary=Leader
Obama=Loser

Scotti – That’s why I was confused about jitter’s comments….

New York – prices at the pump are actually falling.

There is NOBODY (Obama included) who could make a bigger mess of everything than did our current President…that is, unless it’s John McBush.
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John McBush? You do realize how idiotic that sounds don’t you? Did you make that up all by yourself or did your read it from your daily talking points on Kos? You do realize that saying something doesn’t automatically make it so? Bigger mess of everything? Boy I’m impressed by your technical description of all aspects of country and how it relates to the world. Bigger mess? That’s a pretty detailed description. Define exactly what is “a big mess” and how specifically how Bush (by himself) is to blame for each aspect of said “big mess”.
You do realize namecalling and catchwords/phrases like McBush, Halliburton, Facist, Big Oil, etc. doesn’t substitute for intelligent discussion?
I remember when critical thinking was required to graduate HS and college. Apparently that isn’t necessary anymore?

Staunch Independant said:
After eight years of the Bush and Rummy show how can anyone have the gall to rail about how bad of a president Obama will be? Bush is worse than Carter as far as I’m concerned and I never thought I would see that in my lifetime.
Carter: suppoted the Grand Ayatollah and brought on the Iran hostage crisis Now: Iran is still our enemy. Carter: Inflation rate 12%. Now: inflation rate 5%. Catrer: unemployment rate 7.7%. Now: 5.1% Carter: Intrest rate 20%, Now: 6.25%. Carter: Misery Index scores a 16.27. Now: 7.96. Carter: raised taxes, cut military. Now: lowered taxes, grown military. It just keeps going on and on and on. Your opion is not supported by the facts.

fools. Israel doesnt threaten others. Iran does. Israel beleives in life. Iran doesnt. see a trend or danger???

jandersonjr,
How many years of diplomacy with raving lunatics should there be before a different tack is taken in dealing with those lunatics?
When the mushroom cloud is rising?

and I hate bush

New York – I did not say that I was a McCain supporter, nor did I imply the economy is hunky-dory. I merely pointed out that the price of gas is indeed falling – an 11% decline for a national average. Why would you assume either of the first two?

Alphaomega Does that compare to Reagan ballooning the national debt, Reagan and Rumsfeld giving weapons including WMD’s to Iraq’s Saddam Hussein and all of the lives and the money that has cost since trying to get rid of Saddam and cleaning up the mess he made? Whereas Iran, well Iran hasn’t really bothered us since the hostage crises and has not cost us the lives and billions of dollars that Iraq has. So your logical arguements defeat you completely as our government has 7 years now of record deficets because of Bush, Rumsfeld, and Iraq.

Perhaps the ‘D’ in “Obama, Il-D” stands for duh? I’m guessing Israel will attack, rather than wait for a possible pacifist administration to take over the world…oops, the White House. Can’t blame them, frankly. Granted, that’s what some in the Iranian leadership want, because it aligns with their eschatology, but even so, it’s not like this is news in any way, shape or form.

New York – sorry, I meant $0.11 decline, not 11% – my bad.

JoeMac – Read up on 1948. We all know Israel isn’t going anywhere. Time to be diplomatic and make some concessions.

Jayandersnjr First all, as a nation they have every right to have a nuke. We have nukes. How can one nation have nukes and tell another nation that they can’t have them. We threaten to attack them and they can’t defend themselves. I certainly disagree with the radical muslim movement. However, that is their way of life. We have our way, they have theirs. If we leave each other alone, they can live theirs, we can live ours. I don’t here them threatening us, why are we threatening them.

Laurie
I didnt mean to imply you were supporting a side its just that there are so many people that talk about McCain this McCain that and you start to realize that these people are brainwashed into picking a side without knowing anything about the person and immedietly they defend them. Im not saying that Obama is perfect, but sh-it if bush lowered the bar this low there no way anyone can do worse (with McCain being an exception, he looks like he has it in him to lower it even further

So, Obama takes a trip to Europe and the Middle East which makes him the expert on foreign policy? Sure, I believe that Israel could strike Iran, but most other politicians already know this. This is just another dog and pony show for the country put on by Obama and his fellow dems.
McCain 4 President!!!

alan – Wow I am so glad I warrant such a response. I totally disagree with you on pretty much all the fearmongering nonsense. When Iran gets nukes, the nukes will be protected as some sort of national treasures. Iran will not use them unless another power uses them on Iran first. An example could be the US using nuclear bunker busters which exist and their use seriously discussed. Your second point is completely rediculous. Iran is merely trying to protect and deter attack. They haven’t attacked anyone outright in, soemone previously wrote, 500 years. The US of course has gone into Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq for the UN. I am well aware that Iran is not a democracy and quite frankly that is their right. They need to determine their destiny. So I pretty much disagree with you on all matters relating to our Iranian foreign policy.

New York – I honestly do not care for either right now. It scares me that these are the two best candidates we can come up with. No harm – no foul. I really wish (especially with the lowest Pres. rating) that we had a unified leader both Dems and Reps would agree with. I kinda think this was the whole thought process of the independent party. Unfortunately, we seem to keep spirling into that same two party system with both sides slinging mud and insults. Somewhere there has to be a worthy candidate that is worthy of our trust and support. I just don’t see that we have that choice this year….

Ben Straub: My fellow Republicans no longer care one bit about fiscal conservatism. Don’t you remember what Cheney said? “Deficits don’t matter.” What a smart guy…
For today’s Republicans, it’s just fine to have massive transfers of wealth–essentially SOCIALISM–as long as the transfers are going to foreign nations. And according to Stark Granger, it’s also completely acceptable for foreign nations to spy on us–as long as the nations can justify the spying by saying they’re afraid of “liberals” in the U.S.
Utterly pathetic.

We cannot afford another country in an unstable part of the world to develop nukes. Clinton did not do anything to stop India and Pakistan. At least Bush was able to stop North Korea. I hope the next president will not permit Iran to build nukes.

gb8898 – I have read your post, and you speak a lot of truth. Fiscal conservatism, what’s that the republicans now say. Just pass our military budget and we will slip in some entitlements. Sickening really. And to say I have always been a republican. So sad.

Where is Al Gore when you need him?

Mrs. Tea – Israel in that sense sounds a lot like Iran. How about nobody attacks.

al4mcattack – I am not voting for Obama for this reason and the fact that he is for massive spending increases. I am going third party. I just like to throw it around with you guys in my off time.

don brown – Answer: Flying around in his er, ummm, “green jet” to his er, umm, “green home”.

Obama has spoken. And to think, only 4 short years ago, he was voting “present” in the Illinois state legislature. And now, a self-declared world leader. Frightening.

ZUFFY….Read your post. Don’t underestimate the IDF.

Nevermind that it is obvious but isn’t foreign diplomacy rule number one not to go home and announce to the press what you discussed, particularly matter of this nature?

Laurie: FISA, at least the new version, sucks. I have a big problem with the latest incarnation of FISA, which essentially erases the warrant provision regarding Americans.
But there’s also a big distinction between FISA “spying” and the kind of stuff Israel has been caught doing to us. In general, I don’t think allies should infiltrate important branches of each other’s national security infrastructure and sell information to China. Call me old-fashioned.
Another point I’d like to make is about this “hidden imam” thing that Ahmadinejad has mentioned. What the folks who bring this up leave out is that Ahmadinejad is subservient to the mullahs in Iran, and they have said they don’t share his weirdo ideas. They’ve even told him to rein in his rhetoric.
And in the end, the mullahs are the ones actually in charge of Iran. Ahmadinejad is the guy they stick out in front of the public to make it look like their votes in elections mean something. When it comes down to it, the mullahs are only interested in staying in power.
And it’s hard to maintain power when you’re dead, which is why Iran won’t attack anyone. The mullahs are in this for themselves, and it’s not easy to rule over a glass parking lot.

Warren- if Iran is trying to get the US or Israel to strike by doing the things they are now then what will they do if they are ineffective? Will the step up the program to get us to attack? Will they attack to get us to respond? It might be a valid question and a response may not be simple but I understand the need for Israel to defend itself from this terrorist leader.

To Flaminglib,
Quoting you, “Cons use Fear to sway people.”
I agree, cons, both dems and repubs, aka politicians, use fear & deceit.
That’s why facts and dates matter. So eat this. The Iraq vote also didn’t occur in 2001. It occurred in Oct. 2002.
From Wikepedia. “”Iraq Resolution” and “Iraq War Resolution” are popular names for the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] a joint resolution (i.e. a law) passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.”

All comments too critical of Israel will self-destruct in 5 minutes. Otherwise, thanks for the open forum.

It is better to hit Iran now instead of waiting until they have the means to keep and use the horrible weapons that only we have the capability of stopping. Hezbollah would love to hit us with a nuke.

Is this supposed to be breaking news? Oh that’s right. He has been out of the country having his picture taken and not visiting our troops.

Who do you think will be put at jeopardy should Israel bomb Iran? A million armed combatants will pour over the Iran/Iraq border and join the Sadr army and attack our troops. That will be the first offensive response and the United States will feel the brunt of it, not Israel.

Isreal has to do what is best to protect Isreal as ” “wants us to do, what is Iran doing first of all??

Isreal has to do what is best to protect Isreal as ” “wants us to do, what is Iran doing first of all??

lockes_ghost: The whole point of an Israeli attack is to draw Iran into retaliation against our troops in Iraq. Then we can fight the war for Israel. Pretty cunning, huh? So again, I ask, How is Israel an ally?
James (below) illustrates the biggest problem in this whole thing when he writes “JerUSAlem.”
James, the U.S. are not a part of Israel. Israel is not a part of the U.S.
Folks, God is not going to smile upon you because you choose to burn innocent civilians in the name of “Israel.” Many deluded individuals believe that’s the case, though. In holding such beliefs, they make themselves no better than the terrorists who claim Allah’s blessing for their violence.

When the Hell did we elect Obama as our President…And any good leader would not be telling the media about the talks they had…What an idiot.What is Obama trieing to do start a war between them…Do you think they will be talking with Obama truthfuly now that he’s run his big mouth.

The man is an idiot.

Warren: Why the Obama hate over this? He just stated the situation. He’s not endorsing pushing the button OR preventing it, whatever your crazy take on this is.
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No, but Obama is acting as if this information is new. Obama likes to state facts that most people who read the news already know because he knows that he has followers who don’t read the news but believe only what they hear from Obama. For them, it is the first time they’ve heard it, they think that Obama is privy to some inside information that no one else sees. This is what I cannot stand about Obama. He knows his audience and he plays to them.

Bu$hCo is using Isreal to do their bidding. Iran has to much oil for them not to take. Just like Iraq.

I am a centrist and here is what I know.
Bush and the Republicans have had nearly 8 years running the country.
So where did that get us?
We waged war in Iraq for fear of weapons that did not exist there.
North Korea actually built nuclear weapons while we waged a war on Iraq.
Iran is actually enriching uranium right now while our forces are exhausted from Iraq.
Bin Laden is still at large.
Energy prices have never been higher.
Oil companies have been hitting unprecedented profits each quarter.
The US Dollar has never been weaker.
Housing market has never been worse.
Our largest companies are or were on the verge of bankruptcy (GM, FORD, AMERICAN AIRLINES, DELTA)
Our largest banks are on the brink of bankruptcy
Bush started with a surplus and now we have the biggest defecit ever recorded.
America’s reputation as a respectable world leader has been completely comprimised.
American conservatives must swallow their pride and realize, that things couldn’t be much worse under any leadership.
You must have the dignity to admit this, and support a new direction.
So no more name calling and no more animosity against the Democrats.
The entire planet recognizes our leadership has been flawed, except for something like 30-40% of Americans.
It’s time that we start fixing the mess of 8 years going the wrong direction.

James G – thanks for letting us know what a centrist you are becuase your posting doesn’t show it.

James G …Bush isn’t running for President …His name is McCain these are two different men…Like Obama and Wright and Farrakhan….

For over a year now, not a day goes by without Israeli press publishing articles on either US or Israel striking Iran. Lately, it’s all about concerns that US is talking to Iran.
Israel wants Iran destroyed, not for comical existential threats but rather because Iran is making too much noise about the treatment of Palestinians, just like Saddam was doing.

“The Persians have not attacked anyone for 500 years” ??
Can anyone remember an Iran/Iraq war?
Oh, that must have been self defense!
Who supports the terrorists against Israel? (Iran’s leader recently assured us that Israel will soon be wiped off the face of the Earth). Oh, Israel deserves it and they do not have the same right to self defense like Iran does!
Who supported the 911 terrorists? I don’t know if Iran did but someone did for sure, and, Iran of course does not have a history of supporting terror do they?
If I hire a gangster to kill someone, am I guilty of murder? Only if the victim didn’t deserve it right?

When Barack speaks, everyone listens!
Hear the words Ahmadenijad,and tremble.
“So it is written- so it shall be done!”

Hey Mike G Don’t forget that while Slick Willy was lying under oath there was a Republican Congress.
Nancy Pelosi stated back in 2006 that since the democrats have taken control of congress she had a plan to deal with the gas & oil prices.
Little did we know that her plan was to DOUBLE the cost of gas & oil.
The Party of Defeat can’t get out of the socialist oops I mean liberal policies that have failed time after time.

Israel has a secretive Nuclear weapons program with many warheads.
Israel currently is staging massive human rights abuses against Palestinians.
Israel is threatning to invade a sovereign nation preemptively.
Give these facts shouldn’t we be invading Israel to get rid of the threat to Middle East peace along with freeing the Palestinians from a tyrant?
We did the samething for the Kurds and Shiites in Iraq why not the Palestinians who are living in worse conditions.
Currently Iran has not made any threats to invade Israel, there have been lies and mistranlations to make it appear that is just the opposite, however if you look at facts you will see that it isn’t the case. Iran has a right to pursue peaceful use of Nuclear Power per the NPT treaty that they signed and have not broken.
Rogue nations like Israel should not be allowed to attack other sovereign nations just like Iraq was condemened for attacking Kuwait.
And to a previous poster, if a vote for Obama is a vote for muslim extremism then a vote for McCain is a vote for christian extremism.
Muslim extremism would get no where without a cause. We give them a cause by meddling in the middle east and countries all around the world. It isn’t our freedom that they hate it is our meddling. Meddling that results in whole populations staying below poverty in order for our companies to make money.
The sad thing is that my tax dollars are helping support the genocide of the Palestinian people so I’m directly responsible for it and it makes me very upset that there is nothing I can do here at home. Obama isn’t going to change anything and McCain is just going to make it worse like Bush did. One of my biggests regrets in life will forever be that I voted for Bush his first run for office.
I have come to the conclusion that the only solution is either for the US to fall from the ranks by a collapsing dollar and economy or for a total uprising by the people to start over.
The latter is not going to happen anytime soon as to many of us are couch potatoes that only care about ourselves. However the dollar is collapsing and the economy is going down the drains so that is our only hope.
Living poor is a much better option than supporting Israel and our meddling around the world, meddling that has resulted in millions of millions of innocent deaths in the last 70 years as well as poor living conditions for 3rd world countries.

David- you sound like the same apologists that spoke up for Sadaam Hussein. Poor little Iran just wants to get on the Nuclear program for peaceful electrical uses. They are so innocent and would never do anything to bring world shame on them. What a crock!

Citizen in FL- are you sure you are a citizen (in FL)? A small nuclear devid\ce planted internally in Tel Avviv would be devastating without hurting the Dome of the Rock. You sir are disingenuous and need to open your eyes.

I am stunned that Obama would say this, given the fact that such a statement is so controversial that it was bound to be leaked. Obama is so inexperienced that any impressions he may have formed regarding Israel’s intentions are simply worthless. He should have kept these impressions to himself; but he is apparently so awed by himself that he had to bring the “truth” to the lesser lights of the Democractic party.
The effect of this kind of statement is to increase the tension between Iran and Israel, and make it more likely that a hot war between the two countries will start.
This is an example of the kind of disaster an Obama presidency would be.

It would be nice if Obama would come back to and do his JOB in Illinois. He is not present to vote for over 80% of the initiatives here.

gb8898 – That is the most honest, and funny post thus far. I agree – if McCain had had this meeting it would be much ado about nothing. Must go finish cleaning now. Thanks for your honesty.

Let’s remember history folks. Iran was attacked by Iraq at the request of the United States. Iran hates the United States because we overthrew their Democratically elected government and installed the Shah of iran as a leader. We also overthrew Iraq’s Democratically elected government to install Saddam as the leader. If we remember history we will see the mideast in a different light.

David-I can resolve this quickly with one question. Do you believe the United States government blew up the WTC? I thought so.

Mr Granger- a nuclear bomb planted inside Israel is the scenario you are worried about? have been watching too much of the show “24″? if this is your path of logic, then I will propose that if we get to use a small time machine like maybe a Delorian from “Back to The Future” and go kill Hitler so my ancestors that I lost in Austria will live happily…please be realistic in your discussion, this is not the O’Riley Factor. Israel is so good at their internal security system that other countries always hire their experts when beefing up their own security forces, so the silly scenario you mentioned is as likely to happen as the scenario I mentioned above.

What makes Iran’s intended or allegedly intended progam illegal, and Israel’s, or any other country’s program legal?
Without equity of power of sovereign nations; would not others potentially abuse their ‘power’ for their gains? Since that is capable, should countries also have the right to pre-emptively act; or at least contemplate?

ABC should modify the headline. When I saw it I assumed Obama really was President of the World and was authorizing a strike on Iran.
First he says we will invade nuclear weapon armed Pakistan and now he indicates a green light for Israel to strike Iran.
He better watch out or he will get a new nickname “O – bomb – another one”.

Obama made this comment to win points with those who consider Iran to be a serious threat. However, Obama’s comment does not say whether or not he would approve of such an Israeli action. Unless he goes further, no one will believe he is serious about stopping the Iranian regime’s nuclear obsession.

It’s the end of the world!
And about bloody time, too.

David, Sadaam not a threat? Now you have gone goofy. How many tons of yellow cake did we just take out of his country(now in Canada)?
Alot less homocide bombings in palastine now that Sadaam is not paying the murderer’s family $25,000 U.S.
He tried to develop Nukes in 1981.
Started a war with Iran, then Kuwait.
yes David, Sadaam was not a threat.
Say hi to Neville Chamberlan the appeaser.

David, Why don’t I see anything about Hamas or Fata in your note causing problems.Are you blind to the facts.
Israel,the government & the people have a right to defend themselves.The “displaced” people have been given land time after time with no slow down in their aim to eliminate all Jews. Turn around to see that the other side ONLY wants death & destruction.
NAIVE

Yes, Iran does have a right to have nukes AND any country has the right to defend themselves if they decide they need too. Both sides have very good points, but in this case MIGHT DOES MAKE RIGHT. The strongest will win the fight and their right will prevail.

Keep watching CNN and reading the NY Post and expect to know what’s really going on. I DO understand why alot of you just can’t get it. The extremists have decided that we all need to die. We can’t change that. Their future dangerous toys prohibit that.

History will be kind to Bush as it was with Truman, for the same reasons. He will be remembered for standing up to Extremists. I feel safer with him at the helm.

So, Israel is going to do the old “Shock and Awe” on Iran….if it doesn’t agree to sanctions or nuclear power? Is America Nuts? America did the same thing with Iraq, so Israel can also do it? Israel had better start acting like a small country soon, before it loses support globally. This is outrageous, unwarranted and daring. WW111 here we come. Thankyou Israel, for thinking once again of only yourself, your country and your people. Don’t ever think God will forgive you this time.

Israel does have a right to exist. If they believe their survival is at risk they should do what they can to resist. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama isn’t likely to be a strong supporter if elected President-his likely Sec of State is strongly anti-Israel. Plus, he is extremely weak as a leader, that is, accomplishing stated goals–he has not achieved anything as a US Senator or State Senator. Israel should make their decisions based on their needs not whether Mr. Obama will be President.

American Soldier: bin Laden also said that Iraq is the main front in the War on Terror (or, from his perspective, the war vs. the West). Do you believe that? Or do you only believe certain things bin Laden says?

Obama will not be elected because
his lack of judgment will become
evident to voters in South Florida rewad or New York. Israel will elect
Netanyahu and as people failed to
see on Obamas trip to Europe ,
leaders in Europe were not the
same socialist appeasers that John
Kerry said he would be sympatico
with. Europe has changed , America’s
ignorant and will have reality
shoved in their faces and not elect
this fraud from Chicago. Isreal will
strike before the elction.

Barrack Hussein Obama’s foreign policy expertise is just uncanny! No one knew Israel would defend itself until today.
Henry Kissinger has got nothing on
Obama. Meet the new Mr. Obvious.
Remember in November.

Warren: You don’t get it. We screwed up back in the last century when we developed nukes. Oops. I forgot for a moment, we’d be speaking some Asian language if we had not developed nukes. Anyway, they want nukes to control the middle east. If they GET them, everything changes anyway. Ther’s nothing else to say here. Give it up. It’s their way or the rest of the worlds way which is for human kind, mostly.

“Oops. I forgot for a moment, we’d be speaking some Asian language if we had not developed nukes.”
Who knows what we’d be speaking. Watching Ken Burns’ The War documentary, they interviewed a WWII vet who had a chilling conversation with a German captive. He knew exactly where Waterbury CT was because he had worked in the administration (before being sent to the front) in a department that was dividing the US into German territories.
Let’s face it. The US is a prime piece of real estate!

Also, I’d like to contend something:
Obama isn’t being soft on this. He’s doing the logical thing: negotiating. We’ve learned from the Iraq war that simply eliminating your enemy isn’t enough. Then you become the enemy to a new group of terrorists. The only “win” situation here comes from negotiations. And that’s exactly what he suggests (“big sticks and big carrots”).

Justtellthetruth: That is the most logical, analytical and accurate depiction of the true situation on the ground over there. How dare you! This is where readers are supposed take out all their past angst against the current reigning political leaders.

Warren. Our enemies are counting on Obama being exactly like you if and when he gets to the oval office. Negotiations only buy them precious time. Time that we don’t have the luxury of passing to our children. You might say, we are passing debt to our children. Well, I spoke of this earlier. Don’t worry about $10 or $50 gas. Worry about your well being after it starts.

“Senator Obama has always said…” blah, blah, blah. Actually what Senator Obuma really said was “I would be willing to meet without preconditions with Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-il, Hugo Chavez, etc. Did anyone hear his newest most arrogant comment to date: “I have become a symbol for a return to America’s great traditions!!!” Are neurological exams required before taking office?

If Isreal decides to attack Iran, they will, no matter what the international community might say about it. Personally, if Isreal wants to kick Iran in the butt, I have zero problem with it.

Geoff:
I mean they should wait until Iran gives them no other choice but to attack (i.e. if they refuse all negotiations, and it’s fairly clear that they are indeed making weapons). If they attack before that, when Iran is still playing its “we’re just innocents making energy! Nothing wrong with that!” card, then any attack is just suicidal – from the backlash later on, if not immediately.
Besides, it would be interesting to know if Iran responds to reason – of any kind. Surely they know that continuing through the current course means their destruction.
HT: It’s not the nukes in the middle east we’re afraid of, it’s them being in the hands of people who don’t respond to reason, and don’t value their own lives. General consensus is Iran does not. Fine. But we can’t be unreasonable either – or else all we’re doing is perpetuating the problem.
Attacking restarts the process of obtaining peace, only this time a few more years in the future – with nukes even easier to come by. And peace is the goal here, because it is the only option that benefits. Destroying Iran would not – it just sparks new regimes of even more radical people.
Also: Obama and Bush are suggesting the same thing here. I don’t know which is scarier!

And the sky is blue! Wow, you’re both geniuses (genii).
“If you’re 20 and not a liberal, you don’t have a heart. If you’re 30 and not a Conservative, you don’t have a brain.”

in 50 years, when we look back and realize how close sharia courts and institutionalized woman beating we were, we will prolly thank baby bush for being smart enough to start a war he wasn’t smart enough to execute.
Obama is probably not the answer, not that mcain is but at least mcain is what he is. ask bill clinton what that means

Here we go again. You are worried about the all mighty dollar. That’s why this country is divided. Some are worried about their pocket book more than they are their fellow Americans, including their own.

A conventional war with Iraq would only delay their nuclear quest because it is very unlikely that would totally end development. It is also unlikely they would hit all the nuke facilities anyway. If Israel hits it may as well be with nukes now while they still can. Yeah, sounds ugly to me too. Other than that, we better turn up the sanctions to bleed level if there is any chance of that working. I think Iran may prevail. Nice world then huh?

All we can hope for at this time is stalling the program. Bust stall it we will.

Steve. Now you are making sense. Yes, we are over there to protect our interests, because there are scary people there that want to ruin your day.
We ARE for peace, but not when we are backed into a corner, and we have a choice.

You people forget one thing that is the most important thing to understand. We can stop. Turn around 180 degrees on policy, and Israel is gone, and so on.
They are just the initial problem. There will always be something. The games have changed. Now the winner takes what’s left, which ain’t going to be much.

Be glad that a strong leader will be in charge of Israel. I just really don’t think I could live with my brother being brougt home in a casket when their prisoners were in fairly good shape. I just see something wrong with this that would bring me to sticks.

Allen. If all of that is true, then it just makes it more important to take care of it now.

Sadly, I think Obama said these things now thinking when it will happen (as I have been screaming for months here) that he is going to pretend he is all knowing………its a game. Bush has already moved generals into place that support attacking Iran for when Israel attacks, Obama as Senator has certainly been told and now he is abusing his position as Senator so he can pretend he actually has an original thought in his head, when we all know he doesn’t.

Warren. Obama won’t attack Iran. That is not going to be his priority. He doesn’t see it as a must. That is why Israel is going to have to bravely step up and live, partly. BUT will prevail. At least you better hope so. Your future could really depend on it, soon.

red white and blue. You are wrong. You should say “bye”.

Ook Ook Ook OOK OOK OOK!!! OBAMA

John…
at least he’ll GRACE the white house!

Who ever thinks Carter was OK or better as pres, must be 10 years old.

I can’t say Bush was great, but he did pull victory off (even though everybody said it was lost) and he will be remembered as a vitorious prez by history. By the Dems saying it was hopeless only made Bush look better when he pulled it off with the surge.

A do NOTHING man is speaking of “possibly” doing something. He, he, he… Beyond parody…

Obama was so full of BS on Iraq, WRONG ALL THE WAY – HE DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT ISRAEL EITHER. Although, I will admit he has a better chance of being right on Israel – BUT FOR THE WRONG REASONS!!

Say what. No. These people won’t get it until it literally bleeds them out.

hey now, don’t be bustin’ on jimmy! jimmy’s a good man, he just wasn’t a very effective president. I didn’t vote for him but he certainly has become quite the elder statesman. PLUS, he didn’t have a bitter beotch for a wife either. his wife was proud of her country “all” the time.
I think obama would sign any special interest thing that came across his desk, IF it was aimed at helping blacks.
I will not be voting for obama, as I don’t believe in social programs for people who are capable but choose not to work and contribute to society.

If high cotton is right, we’re soon to have another set of problems to deal with, and enemies to with it. It’s almost as if the best thing to do is say, sorry, we have bigger guns and YOU are dead. If not, well we MIGHT be dead.

Yes Jimbo. We are in good hands. I think I’ll go out and buy the largest RV available.

The Change Advocate now wants the US to be wary of Iran and would like to transfer the troops from Irag to Iran. What a change move for Obama and this is really change. People are asking after his trip.. Has he learned a simple lesson in foreign policy so they can trust their lives to this neophyte or the trip is just a show down for people who doubts him.. NAY… he remains still not capable to handle the US foreign policy. His first action would be attack Iran.. where is the exact opposite of Bush? Now all of you vote Obama if you believe the change he is advocating.

Hey – GOOD?

I’ll be good.
Great advice – off to Weber’s Burgers in Orillia, ON, Sat!!

LOL to Haywood. Obama has class. You have to give him that. Dude is cool, but that is not necessarily what we need right now.

I would actually be perfect for the white house, but I am already defending in other ways. There are no gray areas for me.

Obama isn’t real good at connecting the dots. He says we should not be in Iraq, but he supports Israelis right to defend themselves against a nuclear Iran. Well look at a map an you’ll realize if the US wasn’t currently in Iraq with JSTARS flying along the Iran border we wouldn’t have any intel about what Iran was doing and there would be no way for Israel to launch an attack on the Iranian nuclear facilities.

Just what is Obama doing leaking high-level conversations he has had with foreign heads of state? Does this not raise red flags with anyone? Are we going to conduct foreign policy now, by caucus? Also, what is he doing discussing policy with foreign heads of state in the first place? Did he win the election, and I didn’t notice? We are supposed to have one president, like him or not, at a time. This bodes ill, for the future foreign policy decisions which will be made under life and death situations.

So, the “sense that the Arab states understand just how destabilizing a nuclear Iran would be” is a revelation to Obambi and his caucus? Holy Hannah Montana. These folks really have their fingers on the pulse of the middle east, don’t they.

Imagine Ahmadinijad inviting O’Bama to Iran for a private meeting. Obviously, he would go because he said he would like to sit down with all of the leaders of the terrorist nations. After the meeting is over the Iranian government announces to the world that a deal had been worked out and Iran would cease there nuclear development program if and when O’Bama is elected president. O’Bama and the majority of the American people are dumb enough to believe them. The American people believe that O’Bama is a genius and that his plans to negotiate with the terrorists is the right way to go and he gets elected in a landslide. McCain might as well take his name off the ballot. Then, Iran continues with its nuclear program, just as planned.

If Obama doesn’t have the common sense to keep sensitive conversations he has with foreign dignitaries, close to his vest, well it should just give us an insight into his “judgement” of lack thereof. It is the height of foolishness to go into the democratic caucus and relate personal conversations he had with heads of state, given the propensity of congressmen (of either party) to garner publicity by leaking privileged conversations.
>There’s the whatever levels of left, >right, and then me and some others that >get it, alot of us that are going to be >pushed any more.
I see from the above comment that the paid Obama bloggers are out on this thread, attempting to allude that their position is centrist. You might be able to fool some of the people some of the time…etc.

How very perceptive for a geopolitical know-nothing empty suit.

Duh! The lightbulb just went off.
There has been strong speculation that Israel and/or the Bush administration would do an aerial attack on Iran for the past couple years before Bush leaves office (and now Olmert). Did Obama also just figure out that not just Israel but other Countries in the Middle East are concerned about Iran going nuclear? I’ve considered myself a Democrat my entire adult life but I have no confidence in Obama in regards to foreign policy. This is a highly intelligent individual who lacks the depth of knowledge that comes with experience and it shows. Just like the bitterness comment felt like someone who’s knowledge of those blue collar voters came out of having read ” What’s the Matter with Kansas?” rather then any hands on experience interacting with such voters. There are those who can teach and those who can do- I think he needs to go back to teaching and writing .

Mr. Obama’s visit to the Middle East was purely to bolster his image in the USA. The leaked information regarding his conversations with those he met with, were simply a part of his posturing, and very unfortunate that he could not maintain confidence regarding high-level conversations with world leaders. His philosophies are still inline with the democratic socialists in our country. He will be just as weak on defense and terrorism as all the other democrats, who cringe at the idea of spending any money on the military, which they want to spend on social vote-buying programs, and do not understand foreign policy. Do not be deceived by appearance, charisma, great oratory, sound-bite speeches, etc. Look at the philosophy of the democrats. That is what truly defines Mr. Obama. He will tow the party line like all the others, and continue to move us toward being a socialist nation… Gov’t takeover of Healthcare and Energy are the first two pieces in the democratic puzzle to accomplish this.
The Israelis have demonstrated that they are among the most fierce fighters on the planet. And they understand better than anyone, the threats they face, because they live with those threats daily, and they have been told by terrorist nations that they will be “wiped off the map.”
I understand our past philosophy regarding Israel, which was aimed at keeping conflicts to a minimum, and the false belief that a true and lasting peace could be acheived in that region, through negotiations. We now live in a new world climate, with terrorism growing… We cannot expect to negotiate successfully with terrorist nations that have pledged to “wipe Israel off the map.”
The terrorist nations are lying in wait for us to elect a democrat president who will negotiate with them, or at the worst, enact some sort of sanctions upon them. That is the democrat “economy” approach, to save our money for their social programs, rather than military efforts. The terrorist nations understand this very well, better than most average Americans.
The “surge” has worked, to an extent, and was the correct approach. But I have to wonder whether part of the success of the “surge” was simply the terrorists deciding to wait in hopes of a democrat being elected president.
Give Israel the intelligence and support, and then let them decide. Do not hold them back any longer. Unleash them. They do not screw around. They may wipe Iran off the map, if we do not stand in their way, and it would probably not take very long. That goes for the other nations which continually threaten them. Problem solved.

The article states that if there will be a nuclear Iran, “Israel would probably strike and that would be bad for everyone.”
Is everybody stupid? When Israel destroyed the nuclear reactors in Iraq in 1981 & in Syria last year, that was good for everyone!!!
How will removing a nuclear bomb from the crazies in Iran be bad for everyone???

Everyone calm down, Sen. Obama’s going to win this race so get use to it, lol Sen. Obama’s the only one ready to lead this country AT-THIS-MOMENT-IN-TIME so I would suggest to all you neocons sit back and enjoy the ride like I had to do for 8 years of Cheney/Bush (with no stopping for bathroom breaks no matter how ill I felt).

Why is everyone so concerned? Whatever takes place is between two countries othr than ourselves. Can’t we just stand back for a change and watch?
Geeze, everytime we jump into it, we are called the villians. Yep, and our own yell the loudest. I wonder who wins
or do they just knock themselves silly.
You can curse me, no problem. But just try my approach at least once. You’ll enjoy it.

Obama is as uninformed as the other american politicians. He talked only to the american clients in the arab world like Jordan’s king and generalizes to state that arab states also share concern about Iran’s nuclear power. He is a tool of the AIPAC and Israelis as much as the members of congrerss. Ask yourselves, why should Israeli minister Barak even dare tell america that “all options SHOULD stay on the table”? Just another example that U.S. foreign policy is made in Israel not in washington. Shame on all Americans who support this.

This is all we have to choose from? So sorry for our kids. And the next 3 months
will feel like a Coke and Pepsi taste test
election run by a Madison Ave. ad agency.
I’m sure it’s been worse in the past. Nothing has really changed that much in politics kids.Grain of salt.Get lost in a
good book or some great 60′s music.Stay away from the “spirit of CNN” and you’ll
be fine.

Isreal will attack first. US will come to support them after the fact. USA wants Israel to be the first. And they have a right to do it. Is this such a surprise that the book of Revelation is unfolding? Just make sure you know who’s side your on spiritually and let the chips fall where they have to.

We are talking about human lives here. War is not a game without terrrible consequences. Therefore anybody attacking anyone else should not be an option. The people who run our country and their counterparts in other countries are playing the game of evil. I believe Obama is trying his best to say/do all the right things in order to get into office–God bless him I hope he does it. I’ve heard so many stories about neocons and how one can’t trust anyone (red or blue) running for office because they are funded by the same people who run our world. THis may be true–? I’ve heard what Ron Paul has to say and he seems the most sane and intelligent one. But I still have a bit of hope left for Obama because I DO have hope. In a world of complete MADNESS we must keep our minds and hearts in the right place…and refuse to “live by the sword”…we DO create our own reality. The way I make change in the world is to go within…and create peace…(Gandi said “be that which you want to see in the world”) no insane and violent “threat” can touch perfect creation..this is the peace of God. (no I’m not “religious”)all i’m trying to say is let’s stop getting wrapped up in these dramas and make some peace.

Amen Teresa!! Very well stated!

I am a vet of 6 years and you people don’t know what your talking about when it comes to Pres. Bush. He is commander and chief and all military personal are VOLINTEERS (got it) VOLINTEERS. They uphold the orders of the Pres. and follow to the letter. What is wrong with you people. Obama will get us all killed, he has no clue what is going on militarly, he knows nothing about what it takes to be a soldier. He got in as Pres. becasue the USA has turned into a bunch of WHIMPS!. I am so tired of hearing these Libs Mommies ( my poor son going to Iraq,. Hey lady, he volinteered, no one push him in. Get over it and be proud of him and be an American for a chance. DAMN..I hate Libls…I really do. They are the ones who will get us all killed.
God Bless America